A little trick I learned all the way back in my Middle School Wood-shop class, is to use a "paper joint" to attach the scrap piece to the bottom of the bowl. Basically, you apply a thin layer of wood glue to both the bowl and the scrap piece, and sandwich in a sheet of paper (something closer to a lightweight construction paper, rather than the thinner copy paper). When the glue dries, you have a nice, stable, solid connection that is ready to mount on the face plate. When you are done turning, you simply slide a knife or spatula into the paper. The paper will generally tear open, and you need only sand the paper and glue residue from the bottom of the bowl. You do not need to re-turn the bottom.
While I'm thinking there sounds like a bit more reliance on the paper qualities exactly... so one would want to be sure of the stuff he's using... this is clever as hell if it works out. ;o)
A tip when using hot glue. Isopropyl alcohol will destroy the bond between the glue and the object it is on. Very useful to get a clean and easy removal of hot glued objects. Squirt a bit on the joint, give it a few seconds and then start wiggling. As the glue around the edge starts to lose it's grip, squirt a bit more on so it can penetrate further. Very quickly you will have removed the object and can clean up the glue in the same manner.
One more thing , ask someone that works for D.O.T. for a couple sand sample bags, you need about 6. Get 3 , 30 to 50 lb bags of sand use it to fill 3 of the sample bags glue them shut. Put them 1 ea in the last 3 sample bags . Won't leak sand , put sand bags on the bottom of your lathe. Won't shake anymore or at least a lot less. Seen people use concrete bags and wet them , damp them once there in place and the right shape. Sometimes it works but usually will brake or rattle when hardened. sand is quieter the added weight really helps. Works for a lot of different bench or stationary tools.. the sample bags keeps it clean.
By the way, Titebond III does not bond as strongly as Titebond II (the advantage of Titebond III is that it’s waterproof). So you might have better results if you use Titebond II on the glue block for the lathe, since water resistance is not a feature you need there.
He wasn't referring to "bond strength" @@indalcecio He was suggesting that because Titebond III is "water proof", it may not stick as well to wet wood, as Titebond II.
Ive been turning for a little over a year and half and I still found this really informative. Adjusting on the jam chuck in particular I can not tell you much time that would have saved me over the last 18 months.
Hey Rex. I like the idea of using a forsner for the center. I have the same lathe as you. I took some plywood and made a base to sit on the lower rails then put 3 bags of tube sand on it to dampen vibration from large pieces.
If you want to undo a “hot glue” joint, you can just heat up the joint, with a heat gun or even a hair dryer. That plastic can re-melt an unlimited number of times. For the same reason, it won’t hold in any application where it gets hot.
In many cases you can get a hot glue joint to release with just a little dribble of alcohol. The glue loses it's tackiness and just separates. If the glue joint was recent, the glue will peel off in one piece. If it's older, it might separate apart in smaller pieces, in which case it might help to use a chisel to peel it off.
I might suggest using the "recently" available "construction screws" of the brand of your choosing - they have MUCH higher shear strength than the deck screws. Especially if you are turning a large or heavier piece - angular momentum can be an awesome thing to behold.
Great video and well explained for me. I'm a newbie to wood turning and haven't yet turned a bowl. I've just been doing spindle work. Thanks for the great video
So many glues guns, I can almost smooth the hot glue with my fingers....so I was intrigued when you said hot glue and green wood in the same sentence. Fortunately no-one got killed, so lesson learned! That is a rather nice bowl all the same.
One of my favourite things about hot glue is that you can hit it again with a heat gun or even a torch lighter to liquid and it's ready to try again. In fact, I tend to touch up all my hot glue with the torch lighter until it's bubbly and translucent, the bond that superheated hot glue gives is absurdly powerful on wood.
Great video Rex. You should have mentioned that after making an adjustment, if needed, when the piece is on the jam chuck to recheck it with the pencil and make further adjustments if necessary. I recently turned a wet cherry crotch bowl that looks very similar to the one you turned in this video.
Apple wood is so lovely. I have a big piece of trunk in the garage that I've been putting off using because I want it to become something special. I've never liked using hot glue for anything load bearing (and a big blank counts as that) so prefer to keep several projects on the go at once. That way I can switch to another one as the glue dries on the first. This also helps with finishing, since even a coat of superglue needs a bit of time after touch dry to harden up to the point at which it can be sanded & polished.
When you find your flags (I know i am watching this almost a year later) you should put them in an envelope, and tape it to the back of the display. I am loving this channel btw - I am locked in my home for the foreseeable future, and building the wood working for humans tools (with my kids?) seems like a good project to start. I am lucky enough to be able to WFH. I hope you, your family, and all your viewers are safe and healthy. -Shawn
♥️♥️♥️Absolutely love your videos Rex!!♥️♥️♥️ This helped me on my first bowl making journey. I managed to find a piece of driftwood nearby and it came out great when finished. I don’t have a lathe so I ended up using a box fan with duct tape to hold it steady while I shaped it. Additionally, I’ve noticed that those deep dark under eye circles are pretty much gone. I’m glad you took my advice and worked on taking on a more camera friendly appearance. Lastly, Titebond III is good, but Titebond II is always my favorite. Keep up the great woodworking videos!!👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
A more secure way would have been to flatten the original bottom and remounted the faceplate to it, then turned it off when you were done. This would have eliminated the need for glue and prevented (possibly) you bowl from taking flight. Punky wood could have been stabilized with CA glue.
LMAO!! FACE SHIELD! I remember the band-aid on your forehead. I stopped turning all together until I could afford a face shield just because of your experience. Besides, from the shoulders up is my best feature! LOL
Thank You so much for the video. The idea You presented works incredebly well. I made my first coffe mug using the technique and I am very pleased with the results. Thak You so so much for the video :-D. Greetings from Poland ;-)
Hey that’s not how they taught us to do it at Rocky River high school. We took a piece of paper glued the paper to the Block and then glued a piece of plywood to the other side then screwed into the plywood. When you want to separate your pieces it’s splits along the paper just fine
Thanks Rex didn’t know you use a lathe. BTW I have the same lathe lol! Been looking for chucks but don’t want to spend the doe or spin it. Rock on,an! 🤘🏼
Hey for your woodwork for humans series, what about a rebate/rabbet plane like Paul Sellers made? Gives the ability to do a rabbet joint for making boxes. No miters, no big long cuts needed when doing a dado.
Nice video! I’ve found them small hobby glue guns aren’t very good when it comes to getting the glue hot enough, you need it super hot so a bigger glue gun will suit you better 👍🏻👊🏻
My tip: glue the piece of waste wood on while you have it still mounted on the other side. You can use the tail stock to press it in. If you prep the waste wood blank you can also drill a hole in the center to line up the tail stock.
“…but, that has never happened to me with a baseplate. Things just don’t come off of it.” What happens in the video? Yup. It just comes off of it. Granted, you were trying to part it off, but I find the irony hilarious. Glad you didn’t get hurt!
Have you thought about contacting local orchards? It's worth a tour through the phone book to see if any of them have "dead loss" to get rid of... and often it's still decent wood, but the folks most interested in it want it as fresh and sappy as possible... while dead loss tends to come about through harder weather, like winter... when the sap is down. In any case, it's no guarantee that you'll just be able to pick some up, nor that what you can find will be what you're looking for... BUT it can be worth dividends to work out those relationships. I've gotten surprising varieties fairly easily just because I was available and unafraid to "pick up everything and haul it out". Helps if you either own a pickup or have (make?) a friend that does. ;o)
@@adamtoth7474 Just happened to think of this... BUT you might also consider gardeners and landscaping contractors... One advantage is they often have a truck and only want a place to drop "crap" off. Often they struggle to get rid of large trunk wood that isn't straight enough to sell for lumber, but too thick to chip (usually tops out around 4 or 6 inches). AND you can run into other beautiful stock too. Plus, help out a contractor and you can have access to trucks, trailers, manual labor... even sales (if you're looking to move product)... "One hand washes the other." as they say. ;o)
Hey Rex!! Nice bowl. Thank you for all the tips and tricks. I was wandering, I know you are kind of sick of the homemade lathe but do you think you could finish it and maybe but out plans?? Cheers from Canada!!
I'm really glad you like the lathe, but I just don't feel like the design is good enough to put out. I can't release things that aren't up to my standards. I think if you watch the videos, you can figure out everything you need to try it yourself.
A little trick I learned all the way back in my Middle School Wood-shop class, is to use a "paper joint" to attach the scrap piece to the bottom of the bowl. Basically, you apply a thin layer of wood glue to both the bowl and the scrap piece, and sandwich in a sheet of paper (something closer to a lightweight construction paper, rather than the thinner copy paper). When the glue dries, you have a nice, stable, solid connection that is ready to mount on the face plate. When you are done turning, you simply slide a knife or spatula into the paper. The paper will generally tear open, and you need only sand the paper and glue residue from the bottom of the bowl. You do not need to re-turn the bottom.
While I'm thinking there sounds like a bit more reliance on the paper qualities exactly... so one would want to be sure of the stuff he's using... this is clever as hell if it works out. ;o)
Good tip!
I've done it with paper from a brown shopping bag. Worked perfectly.
A tip when using hot glue. Isopropyl alcohol will destroy the bond between the glue and the object it is on. Very useful to get a clean and easy removal of hot glued objects.
Squirt a bit on the joint, give it a few seconds and then start wiggling. As the glue around the edge starts to lose it's grip, squirt a bit more on so it can penetrate further. Very quickly you will have removed the object and can clean up the glue in the same manner.
Good tip!
Thank you!
"FACE SHIELD!" Made me laugh, you hit that 50k! Congratulations my dude!
Thanks! Maybe now Instagram will start happening for me, too!
im glad i'm not the only one
One more thing , ask someone that works for D.O.T. for a couple sand sample bags, you need about 6. Get 3 , 30 to 50 lb bags of sand use it to fill 3 of the sample bags glue them shut. Put them 1 ea in the last 3 sample bags . Won't leak sand , put sand bags on the bottom of your lathe. Won't shake anymore or at least a lot less. Seen people use concrete bags and wet them , damp them once there in place and the right shape. Sometimes it works but usually will brake or rattle when hardened. sand is quieter the added weight really helps. Works for a lot of different bench or stationary tools.. the sample bags keeps it clean.
By the way, Titebond III does not bond as strongly as Titebond II (the advantage of Titebond III is that it’s waterproof). So you might have better results if you use Titebond II on the glue block for the lathe, since water resistance is not a feature you need there.
Where are you getting that? I looked it up and am seeing Titebond III as 4000 PSI bond strength, Titebond II as 3750 PSI
He wasn't referring to "bond strength" @@indalcecio
He was suggesting that because Titebond III is "water proof", it may not stick as well to wet wood, as Titebond II.
@@markluxton3402 well then he worded it very wrongly because he said plainly that T3 is weaker than T2
Ive been turning for a little over a year and half and I still found this really informative. Adjusting on the jam chuck in particular I can not tell you much time that would have saved me over the last 18 months.
use a paper joint to glue your stock onto the waist block. (Glue thick paper, Glue.) when done use a knife to separate the woods.
Hey Rex. I like the idea of using a forsner for the center. I have the same lathe as you. I took some plywood and made a base to sit on the lower rails then put 3 bags of tube sand on it to dampen vibration from large pieces.
If you want to undo a “hot glue” joint, you can just heat up the joint, with a heat gun or even a hair dryer. That plastic can re-melt an unlimited number of times. For the same reason, it won’t hold in any application where it gets hot.
In many cases you can get a hot glue joint to release with just a little dribble of alcohol. The glue loses it's tackiness and just separates. If the glue joint was recent, the glue will peel off in one piece. If it's older, it might separate apart in smaller pieces, in which case it might help to use a chisel to peel it off.
I might suggest using the "recently" available "construction screws" of the brand of your choosing - they have MUCH higher shear strength than the deck screws. Especially if you are turning a large or heavier piece - angular momentum can be an awesome thing to behold.
Good point, as most screws are not so good with shear pressure. Thicker and better steel screws would be a good idea.
Great video and well explained for me. I'm a newbie to wood turning and haven't yet turned a bowl. I've just been doing spindle work. Thanks for the great video
So many glues guns, I can almost smooth the hot glue with my fingers....so I was intrigued when you said hot glue and green wood in the same sentence. Fortunately no-one got killed, so lesson learned! That is a rather nice bowl all the same.
One of my favourite things about hot glue is that you can hit it again with a heat gun or even a torch lighter to liquid and it's ready to try again. In fact, I tend to touch up all my hot glue with the torch lighter until it's bubbly and translucent, the bond that superheated hot glue gives is absurdly powerful on wood.
Great video Rex. You should have mentioned that after making an adjustment, if needed, when the piece is on the jam chuck to recheck it with the pencil and make further adjustments if necessary. I recently turned a wet cherry crotch bowl that looks very similar to the one you turned in this video.
Awesome video! I've never turned anything on a lathe, and you really do a wonderful job making it approachable. Thank you!
My pleasure!
Apple wood is so lovely. I have a big piece of trunk in the garage that I've been putting off using because I want it to become something special.
I've never liked using hot glue for anything load bearing (and a big blank counts as that) so prefer to keep several projects on the go at once. That way I can switch to another one as the glue dries on the first. This also helps with finishing, since even a coat of superglue needs a bit of time after touch dry to harden up to the point at which it can be sanded & polished.
Exactly what I was lokking for. Awesome teaching. Your Step by step instructions are easy to understand. Thank you.
Rex, thanks for all the great videos over the years. Been a great help getting in yo work working
When you find your flags (I know i am watching this almost a year later) you should put them in an envelope, and tape it to the back of the display.
I am loving this channel btw - I am locked in my home for the foreseeable future, and building the wood working for humans tools (with my kids?) seems like a good project to start. I am lucky enough to be able to WFH. I hope you, your family, and all your viewers are safe and healthy.
-Shawn
♥️♥️♥️Absolutely love your videos Rex!!♥️♥️♥️
This helped me on my first bowl making journey. I managed to find a piece of driftwood nearby and it came out great when finished. I don’t have a lathe so I ended up using a box fan with duct tape to hold it steady while I shaped it. Additionally, I’ve noticed that those deep dark under eye circles are pretty much gone. I’m glad you took my advice and worked on taking on a more camera friendly appearance. Lastly, Titebond III is good, but Titebond II is always my favorite.
Keep up the great woodworking videos!!👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
A more secure way would have been to flatten the original bottom and remounted the faceplate to it, then turned it off when you were done. This would have eliminated the need for glue and prevented (possibly) you bowl from taking flight. Punky wood could have been stabilized with CA glue.
Rex Krueger, you have an amazingly sculpted head and a perfect bald shine. I have to sketch you as a cartoon soon. :)
LMAO!!
FACE SHIELD! I remember the band-aid on your forehead. I stopped turning all together until I could afford a face shield just because of your experience.
Besides, from the shoulders up is my best feature! LOL
Thanks for the tips. Just got a second hand lathe and set of chisels for 80$ but no chuck. With this info I hope be turning bowls soon 👍
Thanks for the knowledge Rex.
A great bowl, and as always very entertaining to watch, Rex. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching!
Thank You so much for the video. The idea You presented works incredebly well. I made my first coffe mug using the technique and I am very pleased with the results. Thak You so so much for the video :-D.
Greetings from Poland ;-)
That's awesome. Reminds me of the Egg from Alien!
Ha!
Congratulations on the 50k subscribers Sir !!!!!!!!
Thanks! I'm quite pleased!
50K, well done and keep up the great work.
Hey that’s not how they taught us to do it at Rocky River high school. We took a piece of paper glued the paper to the Block and then glued a piece of plywood to the other side then screwed into the plywood. When you want to separate your pieces it’s splits along the paper just fine
Lots of ways to skin this cat!
Great video!
Thanks Rex didn’t know you use a lathe. BTW I have the same lathe lol! Been looking for chucks but don’t want to spend the doe or spin it. Rock on,an! 🤘🏼
Lol scared me too which is why I build and use the lathe to make tool handles , plus pulley for tools I make
Great video.
9:24 is anybody else seeing a xenomorph egg here? Talk about needing a face shield!
Hilarious. All the chisels are shaking. Looks like a 7.3 earthquake. Nice looking chunk of wood. Pretty bowl the live edge is super
Thank you!
Hey for your woodwork for humans series, what about a rebate/rabbet plane like Paul Sellers made? Gives the ability to do a rabbet joint for making boxes. No miters, no big long cuts needed when doing a dado.
You've read my mind!
Congrats on 50K subs!
I didn't think hot glue would be strong enough to take the turning forces. Wow.
and it wasn't strong enough. He said as much
Nice video! I’ve found them small hobby glue guns aren’t very good when it comes to getting the glue hot enough, you need it super hot so a bigger glue gun will suit you better 👍🏻👊🏻
I'll give that a shot!
Thanks for sharing that
try silky "big boy" or even "katana boy" for cutting wood logs
1:18 is so gonna be a meme.
Would adding weight to the lathe improve stability and limit vibration?
On both questions, absolutely
I think I just need a new lathe. I also really WANT a new lathe, so there's that.
@@RexKrueger Now we get to the heart of the issue!
Oh and CA glue works best just apply plenty and coat all areas. FYI
My tip: glue the piece of waste wood on while you have it still mounted on the other side. You can use the tail stock to press it in. If you prep the waste wood blank you can also drill a hole in the center to line up the tail stock.
This has some strong Nostromo vibes to it...
Nice.
“…but, that has never happened to me with a baseplate. Things just don’t come off of it.”
What happens in the video? Yup. It just comes off of it. Granted, you were trying to part it off, but I find the irony hilarious. Glad you didn’t get hurt!
Yup, the very definition of irony.
Thank you for doing this video. Subscribed
8:29 jeez, I hope you at least got dinner out of it or something.
Omg I have been looking for apple wood everywhere! I love apple wood
Around here we get bags of firewood. This is often apple tree wood.
@@QlueDuPlessis any trunk lumber or just branches?
Have you thought about contacting local orchards? It's worth a tour through the phone book to see if any of them have "dead loss" to get rid of... and often it's still decent wood, but the folks most interested in it want it as fresh and sappy as possible... while dead loss tends to come about through harder weather, like winter... when the sap is down.
In any case, it's no guarantee that you'll just be able to pick some up, nor that what you can find will be what you're looking for... BUT it can be worth dividends to work out those relationships. I've gotten surprising varieties fairly easily just because I was available and unafraid to "pick up everything and haul it out".
Helps if you either own a pickup or have (make?) a friend that does. ;o)
@@gnarthdarkanen7464 actually ya I just started doing that, so will see. But always on the hunt for really good Applewood
@@adamtoth7474 Just happened to think of this... BUT you might also consider gardeners and landscaping contractors... One advantage is they often have a truck and only want a place to drop "crap" off.
Often they struggle to get rid of large trunk wood that isn't straight enough to sell for lumber, but too thick to chip (usually tops out around 4 or 6 inches).
AND you can run into other beautiful stock too. Plus, help out a contractor and you can have access to trucks, trailers, manual labor... even sales (if you're looking to move product)... "One hand washes the other." as they say. ;o)
Looks a little like an Alien egg
how much would could a woodchuck turn if a woodchuck didn't have a chuck.
This is really awful. I love it.
Can you make a turning playlist, please?
Hey Rex!! Nice bowl. Thank you for all the tips and tricks. I was wandering, I know you are kind of sick of the homemade lathe but do you think you could finish it and maybe but out plans?? Cheers from Canada!!
I'm really glad you like the lathe, but I just don't feel like the design is good enough to put out. I can't release things that aren't up to my standards. I think if you watch the videos, you can figure out everything you need to try it yourself.
very very very usefull thank you! going to try this for my next video! did i mention very usefull yet? 😜 Subscribed!
But, there is some vibration.
*Pans down*...
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I kind of liked that part myself.
Would it help secure it if you made a tenon to fit the glue block? Give it a little side support.
5 minute epoxy hasn't failed me yet 🤔
Protip: Hot Glue can be removed by pouring either denatured alcohol or rubbing alcohol over it. Pops right off.
Protip indeed.
All right how do you do the live end bowl never tried that?
Great video Rex....but, the link to your book does not work:(
Can you turn something like this without a bowl gouge?
Is your wood turning book only available on Kindle? I would like a copy, but don't have Kindle.
Is it safe to just use hot glue wont it come lose
Is the book available as a book? Only kindle?
My dads friend was using a lathe and the walnut 4x4 go into his chest,it broke 7 ribs...
Is South Africa up there
Yup!
Going by CZcams videos, you would think the main purpose of owning a wood lathe is to make ornamental wooden bowls and tool handles.
I find them useful for more practical stuff, too. I make wheels, pulleys, machine handles and other stuff with mine.
Add a Zimbabwe flag
hot glue and
green wood not working loll