Mean Tweets: An Apologia | Pageau and Hurwitz | EP 282
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Jonathan Pageau and Gregg Hurwitz sit down with Dr. Jordan B Peterson to discuss a few of his recent controversial tweets covering topics of transgenderism, the body positivity movement, and the election of supreme court justice, Ketanji Brown Jackson. In this they seek to explore and debate how Petersons role in society, and thus how he represents himself to the public, can spark or shut down the conversation.
Hurwitz is an American novelist, screenwriter, and comic book writer. He is known for authoring the “Orphan X” series, along with a wide range of films such as “The Book of Henry” (2017) and “The Rise of Jordan Peterson” (2019). Pageau is a liturgical artist and professional icon carver, known for his work featured in museums across the world.
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- Chapters -
(0:00) Coming up
(0:17) Intro
(0:30) Foreword
(3:42) The College of Psychologists of Ontario
(5:06) Deadnaming and Twitter suspension
(6:30) Tone and CZcams
(7:25) Examples of thoughtful criticism
(15:00) Guest introductions
(18:09) The tweets in question
(23:20) Meaning of “apologia”
(25:08) The apologia begins
(27:36) Who you are and how you appear to others
(30:21) The speed of thought and reaction
(33:45) You don’t know what you’re engaging with
(36:16) Tweet No. 1
(38:43) The difference between the “short list” and race hiring
(41:16) The core issue revolves around hypocrisy
(45:31) On the topic of racism
(49:17) How the public sphere changes communication
(50:45) Greg’s dream
(1:05:25) A horror movie written by Kafka
(1:07:22) The problem with forming a perfectly balanced view
(1:10:00) The difference between left and rightwing tactics
(1:22:01) Who creates and defines beauty
(1:24:23) You tread lighter in liberal spaces
(1:28:50) Tweet No. 2
(1:34:47) Being banned from Twitter, joining the Daily Wire
(1:39:50) Ascribe the wheat or denigrate the chaff?
(1:43:31) The answer to everything
(1:44:54) Mohammad Hijab, having the conversation
(1:49:25) Actively playing the fool
(1:51:38) When you participate in your own exploitation
(1:56:30) Is Twitter a place for any discussion?
(2:00:50) Which dog do you feed?
(2:01:57) The vehemence you need to face the world
(2:03:02) The work that needs to be done
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Very nice to see, in action, a peer network of restraint in action. I don't think many people purposefully create networks which are designed to make one eat humble pie, in order to grow from the hard lessons of deep self-critique.
But it also seems obvious that this was designed, by the professional association, as a struggle session to see the extent to which Jordan accepts the power of peer governance. He clearly did.
Systemically the issue is that moral governance seems heavily biased to look for sin, predominately in one direction. That Peterson can accede to this fact, publically interrogate himself in order to remain bounded by norms and institutional wisdom is a big credit to him and I would say to his professional organization. Now, I think the burden is on those judges to do the same with regard to their systemic biases... - and to do so as publically as Peterson has done. If the master can't taste the same medicine as the servant, it is a sign of impending fascism
If only the other side could see and think this clearly...
Sadly that academic paradigm was once the norm.
Norms and institutional wisdom...
All trashed by those who claim that now.
I agree wholeheartedly with this assessment but one of the things that has not been discussed here is the issue of corruption. The amount of corruption we've allowed into our institutions make honest conversation almost impossible. When all of our systems have become rotten with every type of corrupt practice one can imagine how in the world can we overcome this ?? Everywhere i look corruption appears in charge of it all. It seems to me that the left holds the greatest amount of power within these corrupt systems. I used to think myself a Democrat a few decades back but I could no longer align myself with the crazy ideas put forth by the left. They have been forcing us into a corner from which we will come out fighting if we must. it just seems wrong to me on so many different levels. I agree with Dr. Peterson, we must speak up and we need to get angry not only with the left but at ourselves for allowing these issues to become so insane.
@UCZD7AQP-FthKRdTlOzn5Udw I understand the sentiment. However, I would rather be colonizing other planets right now than have an entire generation narcissistically self-implode and take western society with it.
I am literally still alive thanks to your incredible work. I started listen to you when I was in the hospital after a suicide attempt.
You have helped me find meaning, and to try and become a better person.
I'm relieved you decided to alter your tone on reading your articles Dr. Peterson. The "letter" you chose to read in the beginning if this episode, put my thoughts forward more eloquently than I could have written them.
I do agree with most (if not all) of your opinions. The accusatory tone reminds me more of an angry demagogue, than the thoughtful, brilliant and caring person I know you to be.
This conversation was a bit painful to listen to, my hero being lectured by someone I disagree with.
Seeing how you react and respond, with careful thought and humility, reminds me precisely why you are my hero, Dr. Peterson.
Thank you, from the bottom of my heart thank you sir.
Superb comment
Beautiful, I hope you are well. I will never forget this comment.
So pleased that you found JP and lived. It does put some of this in context - that this man has literally saved so many people's lives.
Yaay we need good people in the world. Thank you for being alive! Let's contribute to humanity.
I think Dr. Peterson's article videos can profit from knowing his target audience and speak to them in their language from the position that he holds within the culture of the target audience. Which is basically the etiquette required to reach a person.
I get his authority lies in his authenticity and he knows better than anyone how this works.
When you're struggling don't fight it alone, I know it's tough to get past the anxiety but reach out let people pick you and stand together. I wish you the best my friend I know what it feels like
The fact that the first black woman on the supreme court doesn't know what a woman is, astounds me every day.
She does. She won't admit it, but it's a woke power grab and an attack on people's ability to interact with reality. She said that to sow the seed of the idea that ANY claim must be verified by an "expert" with the "right knowledge." Which is much, much worse.
I just don’t understand why everyone just acts like it doesn’t matter, no big deal.
You can thank politics and funding.
@@Bill_tyler because it’s no big deal to those who have already accepted newspeak over English.
My impression is that she was thinking like a judge: "If I am to define a woman, I need to do it within the context of a case in front of me."
This is an incredible talk - not necessarily everything that's said - but the fact that this kind of conversation still takes place and it's available to us in the public square. How different from modern methods of communication.
Define modern…if you’re talking about maybe the last 5 yrs ok. 😅How did we get here so quickly?! Awesome conversation.
Yes, that's my personal gripe with society as is now. That's spot on what I mean by "debating is dead", which I use fairly frequently and nobody seems to understand what I mean...
The left has destroyed debate and made people afraid to speak so much now that seeing normal debates as they used to be even as they were 10 years ago seems like an unusual occurrence. What is scary is that people do not blame leftist for the harm they have done but instead they blame society in general or the culture or The Times when the real problem is that conservatives in classic liberals are open to debate but woke leftist and radical leftist function by silent singles who disagree. If we're going to appreciate this debate that we must call out the evil those who seek to destroy such interactions
I’m a conservative who follows Jordan Peterson regularly, and I have to say I loved this interview so much. The open dialogue, the loving friendship and respectful criticism is fantastic to see in this age of so much divisiveness. Thank you gentlemen for being willing to put yourself out there for so much criticism and yet working together so strongly, yet full of love and respect. This is a wonderful interview and very appreciated. God bless! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Watching Jordan talk with an actual friend who disagrees and critiques in good faith and laughing about it was just amazing. Favorite podcast so far, very heartwarming and full.
Agreed! Speaks to a vulnerability and care on all sides.
Agreed. It's clear that he's not trying to discredit him, but help him.
it is just nice to see him laugh, genuinely , and admit error at the same time.
This kind of thing happened more often in the not to distant past.
My sentiments exactly.
Excellent communication of ideas and points of views and dissection of the “tweets”.
I don't agree with everything Dr. Peterson says about the issues of the day, but the College of Psychologists targeting him in this way is totally unconscionable. It is disgusting political behaviour, and the government of Ontario ought to to put it to a stop! Bullying is not Psychology!!!!
Do you disagree that a man is still a man if he gets his dick cut off?
I'm a conventionally religious conservative Christian, and I wish Dr. Peterson would stop giving lectures on the Jungian interpretation of Biblical passages ... not only got the sake of doctrinal orthodoxy, but also because Dr. Peterson has no training in Biblical languages, textural criticism, theology, etc., etc. His lectures are causing genuine confusion about the tenets of the Christian Faith, the contents of the Gospel, and so on. If you peruse the comments in his more religious videos, or in the response videos made by Christian academics, teachers and apologists, a lot of people, young men mostly, don't know much about Jungian symbolic interpretation, nor were they raised in the Faith, and they think they're getting one when they're really getting the other.
All that is to say that we should think critically about any speaker that we give a hearing to, and we should separate the wheat from the chaff, as Dr. Peterson, himself, is fond of saying. From what you said in your comment, you do the same, but from your own perspective. This is the right way to go. The wokeist puritans refuse to hear anybody who isn't lockstep with them on every issue. This is a luxury that semi-reasonable people cannot indulge in.
This may be one of the best videos JP has ever put out. What an incredible conversation. Hurwitz didn't hold back a single bit and JP just took it all like a man. The mutual respect was absolutely spotlighted. Loved this.
Hurwitz never shut up! Terribly unaware of his need to dominate the conversation and quite annoying!
Yay! Good to hear. A rare person who will hear. I just know enough to know how much more there is that I don't know.. But I am listening.
"Hurwitz didn't hold back" are you kidding ?? Hurwitz is the most ignorant obnoxious jealous narcissist I have every seen and would have had his a$$ kicked @ his 1st insult were it me.
@@cindymacferran331 grow up, they're friends having an honest conversation. this isn't a high school debate with timed responses.
@@dianeghazaryan4773 Those with more powerful and dominant voices like Hurwitz need to learn to let the others talk. That would be a more honest conversation. He also went too far a few times and was a little too far off base in some of his criticisms. Some things he said shouldn't have been said. Using a front of sarcasm or humor does not justify them.
Wow, JP you never cease to amaze me. If only ½ the people who have their fingers in their ears shouting “la la la la” would actually take the time to listen to you and then make their own minds up, I am sure the world would be a better place.
Let them keep there fingers in their ears , the less we negativity .
Jorden you are saying things that a mature society should be able to discuss. The frustration over the idiocy of the ideas is understandable. The things you say must be heard. They MUST be said! Thank you for your voice man!
“Liberals” are insufferable. This guy is missing that “his” side is abusing kids, allowing crime to run rampant, and making decisions based on race. The West leftists are currently possessed by the devil. Never apologize for telling the truth. Biden is the racist. People who make decisions based on race are racists. The devil twists truth. This guest is just like all liberals who have allowed the beast in. Don’t let these wreckless liberals make anyone but their kin feel bad about telling thr truth. Why doesn’t this guest put his money where his mouth is and turn that “liberal” insight into the democrat “liberal” party and critique his liberal missteps. And BTW, 1940s Germany was a socialist country. Socialist counties are not “right wing.” Liberalism is a mental disorder. Such evil. Never apologize for telling the truth. It is the duty to tell the truth
Absolutely, I agree
You put this comment out 1h after the video went up.
Do you have any thoughts on the actual conversation had here, presuming you finished it after posting?
@@KalebPeters99 you can agree with a video after one good point... he didnt say the entire thing, he isnt like those kids on mrbeast where they automatically comment in ome minute when its a thirty minute video.. two big differences in early commenters... this guy was agreeing, meanwhile you act like he is a notification ebeggar of likes, we often see these days on large channels.
@@KalebPeters99 🙄 you are claiming he is trying to get attention like those notification gang style comments? hope ya got my first reply
I am razor close to being free from a pile of toxic people I've buried myself under my entire adult life...
It's SO inspiring hearing three intelligent, mindful men freely critiquing each other's thought processes without anybody getting attacked! It's a beautiful thing to see...
yes, i relate to what you write ✊
It is possible to be free right now.
It's a mindset.
Yes, but really only JP showed personal humility - acknowledged his own weakness and took responsibility for errors.
I call it 'weeding the garden' m clagett ... it is necessary to do in order to live the happy life you deserve. Just like when you wade into a swamp and come out with leches you must pick them off or they will suck the life out of you.
Awesome discussion. But from the sublime to the ridiculous. It was at this moment in the podcast I nearly died. 1:58:04 I was driving and listening to the podcast. And when Gregg says “Jordan drank moonshine and got the dog pregnant” I nearly drove off the road I was laughing so hard. Literally almost died from laughter. 😂😂😂
Changed to 24 instead of 04 🤔
@@robervar1097 The OP gave a timestamp a little bit before that comment in order to give relevant context to the statement quoted. Honestly, I think starting at 04 made it more hilarious, as opposed to starting at 24.
Yep, I getcha. I suffered an unfortunate timing incident: had just taken a mouthful of coffee and so had a mouth/nose/coffee/keyboard accident 😂. Very funny and really enjoyed by Dr P and Jonathan. It was lovely to see the former having a proper laugh amongst friends.
@@NotNowCato1254 Is your keyboard ok?
Lmfao
Thankyou Jordan. You are teaching me how to take shit from others and keep on moving
From another Northern Albertan ❤️
A little anger in this day and age given how unwilling the left is to tell the truth and acknowledge the sanctity of the Individual (consistent with the principles on which this country was predicated by then founding fathers), I find it unsurprising that they decide to point the finger at you, in the most sanctimonious and insincere manner, for lacking the sensitivity to place the feelings of the individuals that are willing participants in his/her own exploitation because to do anything less would be to miss any opportunity to be the center of attention as the individual aggressively demands to be honored as a hero, symbol of bravery, character etc all in the spirit of unapologetic narcissistic entitlement with all of the validation seeking vengeful and malevolent intentions that seem to be a huge motivating factor. Acknowledge my absurd, selfish twisting of reality or else you will be punished. Wow, undeserved attention and abusing my illusory power because societal cowardice is at an all time high and there are successful corporate boot lockers to enforce the cowardice by keeping all their minions quiet as the clowns in corporate America often behave like literate lemmings all in a race of sucking up to tyranny following what Buffett called the institutional imperative (everyone else is doing it so I should too if I choose to remain indistinguishable from the others). I am sorry but I must judgmentally disagree and when I tell this closed mouth cowards that given their outreach snd influence, your decision to be a executive Shepard making sure all your people behave like good little sheep is largely responsible for this horrible situation. People need to start telling the left that this woke nightmare must come to sn end unless you want to bring this country to its breaking point. Frankly, I expected people to draw a line in the sand and enforce
It a long time ago. Now the problem is worse and it never gets less infuriating.
He took all the shit here.
Leftists always throw out shit!
Long live natrebla❤
I have been listening to JP for 6 years and what I like about him is that he says what he truly thinks. And that is sooooo important. I would say 90% Of people NEVER say what they truly think. That is what makes him so special.
A lot of people don't truly think, and it's nigh impossible to say what you think if you've not actually thought about it
Would we find the left losing members if they said what they truly thought? No one truly thinks Bruce Jenner is a woman - no one ever.
Good thing what he thinks is tons of data accurately correlated and Communicated very well
I havent watched this video yet but in the most recent ones he seems to be taking some inspiration from Trump in his rhetoric. And this comment made me realize its probably true.
Being a mirror. Speaking truth. Is dangerous. Most humans are delusional and cognitive dissonance prevails. The ideas of free thought and free speech are already lost. The idea that there are consequences for your thoughts and speech has over taken the respect for individualism. And given power to support horrible backlash to anyone that is not align with the mob
This has got me thinking that there are conversations I ought to have with some people purely to hear the uncomfortable truths about myself 🙏🏿.
Thanks J.P. for setting an example once again.
yes.
I hope they're not going to tell you "stay in your lane" and "spare Hollywood celebrities' feelings". That would be a let down.
This is a really great self reflection. I really appreciated the trust between all these men to poke fun while telling hard truths. If only everyone could have friendships like this.
You have my respect. I hope you have that caliber of friends around you.
@@johnowens5342 I hope I do.
I love seeing two people with such differing opinions still see each other as valuable human beings that are striving for the greater good.
Not Hurwitz. NOTHING he supports makes sense. He is sick & supports child mutilation
This is a great example of why I love Peterson. He can sit there calmly and rationally as a person looks him straight in the eyes and says he's wrong. And instead of being petulant, he engages. This is what we need more of from everyone.
Dr. Peterson, your firm tone is absolutely appropriate because it calls for attention. The topics you address are of great importance, yet the people of the earth are asleep or not comfortable with the truth. Thank you for being so bold as to addressing angles of thoughts that so many are too coward to look at. You are inspirational for all of us to do the same. Much gratitude and respect to you for leading the way.
Not of the whole earth, mostly just western society. How quickly concern over pronouns would be thrown out the window if China, or aliens, were to invade and add an edge to human survival. Actual priorities would become crystal clear.
Jordan’s tone never bothered me… I understand it.
Given the circumstances of how in danger of collapsing our society is, I'd say its time to break a few hearts. Consistantly the Moderates seeing the insanity of our world have to hold themselves to a consistantly higher standard for explaining standard truth that Obesity is not beautiful, Men can't be Women, etc.
Quite frankly, Greg's arguments while sane and very well thought through. Make sense when dealing with sane people. The world as it stands now is INsane.
This. I mean, take responsibility for the fact that firm tone WILL drive some people away. And? Authenticity is paramount. The TRUTH drives people away, daily, because it doesn’t fit their idea about life. Be yourself. All I hear from Hurwitz is the desire to fit in. The respectability police. Cowards.
@@cecilcharlesofficialThere is a time for a firm tone and this is it. Gregs platitudinal criticism works for those receptive to arguments from opposing views. Which a vast majority of the vocal leftwing mob aren't accepting of. In all their tolerance.
Pageau rarely talks but, when he does, he spews wisdom. What a podcast this was!
@@hughmungus431 why?
This conversation is awesome. It shows your humility Jordan.
Is this sarcasm or what. There was no humility here, all I see is a doubling down. No reflection. Nothing
@@CriticalAfricanThinkershe conceded on various issues but even just to sit there and have someone publicly critique him in a conversation- where else do you actually see that? Zero
@@BauerBeauty example?
The guy on the far right (or the far left if we’re speaking politically) didn’t seem to be listening. what I mean by “listening” is that he wasn’t actually CONSIDERING in his own mind what Jordan had to say, but rather, he seemed to have a predetermined intellectual destination, and lawyered his way AROUND anything Jordan said. He also dominated the conversation.
Pageau struck exactly the right tone to begin. Even veritable heroes like Dr. Peterson should not be judged by super-human standards. Part of our problem is expecting too much from our heroes, the clearest indication of our own shirking of those responsibilities ourselves. If Peterson is expressing anger from time to time, “it’s no bloody wonder,” as he himself might have said.
@@steve19149 He does wrong so brilliantly. In my eyes, he is yet to do wrong. Neither shall he ever. 💯
Can't a hero speak their mind, especially when it's for the side of truth, even though, the "truth" will be considered controversial.
@Michael Pearl Exactly right!
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@@timelessone23 there is no living person that can be or should be sanctified. He may not be brilliant in your estimation but he sure as hell is striving to be better then he was the day before. Leading by example. In my eyes it is commendable.
I love how Jonathan eased the mood as a mediator. At times, there was tension,l felt, between Greg and Jordan and he was able to settle that mood quite humbly. Good listener.
Gregg and Jordan and Tammy being long time friends also really help. I think there was tension but I have no doubt they could navigate through it.
Did you notice how little he talked and how seemingly easy it was for him to ease this tension? Great job.
You’re doing the right thing. In Buddhism there is such a thing as “wrathful practice”. It’s a balancing act between being strong and assertive and not going too far into anger. Sometimes people slip up and do, but that’s the learning that needs to happen. Whatever you do, don’t go soft.
Dr. Peterson, I ❤️ your honesty. It's a rare thing to come across these days. Please be aware & remember that so many people have had their life changed for the better, including myself, because of YOU! :)
Dr. J. B. Peterson, I accuse you of saving my life, and saving my relationship with my family and friends.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart!
I really enjoyed watching extremely intelligent people on different sides have a meaningful conversation with respect and understanding. I am also extremely impressed by everyone's ability to offer constructive criticism, to accept criticism, and to concede when someone has made a good point. Truly admirable. We should all aspire to be able to have conversations like these without resorting to insults and rage. This podcast was inspiring and thought provoking.
To hell with that, let's fuckin RAGE!!!
JK
I do enjoy these conversations for some of the very same reason you mentioned above.
About time Jordan had this chance of proper feedback. There is a need for a lot more of such feedback to occur.
1.) Jordan, you seem to aspire to carry the weight of the World on your shoulders.
- No man can carry that. If you pretend you can, you will get the same injuries you get in the gym; lifting too much, without proper pacing & humility when you start (you told us you lifted, I believe you know how this goes).
2.) Our first moral priority is not to tell others how they should act (either individual, company or group of any kind), but to model a better rolemodel for them & try to inspire them on how to act, by example.
Don’t tell me what to do
This reply right here.
This. Exactly this
I’m very happy to see and hear this. I found JP at a very vulnerable time in my life and have attributed much of my positive turn around to his teachings. However, during the time in which he seemed to evolve into a more rigid and angry persona I felt that I was having trouble hearing his message anymore through his newly acquired tone. I had attributed this (and partially excused it) to his recent illness effecting his personality. I’m so happy to see him attempting to course correct in this regard.
I've had all the same thoughts! Happy to see him returning to his old self.
I have the same concerns. I stopped listening and following Jordan after he changed. I also thought it had to do with his health. I suspect that some of these tweets and misguided steps come from his daughter and some come from the reality of being famous online - he has to pander to his audience and become more controversial to stay relevant. I hope he gets back to the JBP who first landed on the scene with a reasonable and thoughtful and kind approach.
Also - Glad you’re doing well now.
JPs entire rise to fame has been based on lies & misinformation. He's a snake oil salesman who tailors his approach carefully to put a self serving agenda.
Jordan please keep doing live events if you can, I am in the UK and want see you in person, it would mean the world - currently I'm poor, but going to do everything I can to see and watch you live. Thank you for everything that you have done and continue to do.
“She’s a spectacular candidate”
It’s really hard to take people like Greg serious.
It's real convenient none of the dailywire guys were there to debate that point
Not only should you not take him seriously, you should dismiss him for the propagandist that he is.
He is _just_ representing his team.
Yeah he sucked
@@faturechi his team is half the US. Should we dismiss half of reality to please ourselves?
His dream is pure projection. The incestuous hillbillies are what he considers conservatives. The arrogance is breathtaking.
Hurwitz almost literally said: "stay in your lane, Jordan". The problem is, pointing out how institutions get corrupted (whether it is the Supreme Court, Mainstream Media or medical institutions) does not require discussing the minutiae of "race in America" (whatever that is), "a young woman's body", or body-image disorders and self-perceptions of identity. Tone policing does more harm than good when we lose sight of we hold as true.
And the truth is that any justice with a leftist bias truly doesn't make a good or qualified justice in the US, because they are willing to cross any constitutional line to implement their agenda. In DC vs Heller, the court was 1 vote away from having a complete ban on firearms. The gay marriage ruling was ruled citing one of the civil war amendments, which at the time gay marriage obviously wasn't implicit at the time they wrote it, as the federal government wasn't even involved in marriage at the time. It was the left who ruled that farmers couldn't eat any of their own crops during the Great Depression due to the interstate commerce clause, solely to gain federal control of the food markets for FDR's new deal. It was leftists, and the flimsy judge Roberts, who redefined the health insurance penalty as a tax, in order to make Obamacare constitutional, which it obviously wasn't. The federal government can't coerce or penalize you for not buying a commercial product. The list is endless of leftist justices upholding obvious unconditional laws with absolutely no precedent.
Unless of course society is fascist,
I disagree that tone-policing does more harm than good, in some sense at least. I don't actually wish to police anyone's tone, but rather I'm grateful that Jordan's friends expressed concerns about it and he was willing to listen and even concede on certain points. The insidious nature of much of what is happening in the culture is that the masses are convinced to side with the woke mob because they are convinced it is the side of the compassionate. This is a value that is near and dear to their hearts, so I think many people who might be swayed by Jordan's amazing way of speaking and explaining things are immediately turned off by an extremely harsh, damning, and judgmental tone. Many people aren't deeply enough involved in politics to try to sort through all Jordan's emotion to figure out where it's coming from, what it's really directed at, and what his "real" point is.
I think it was more “dial up the humility when you leave your lane,” rather than “stay in your lane.” Frankly, thinking about it, including your comment, it makes me think CZcams is a better platform than Twitter. JP is awesome, but JP is best when he has the opportunity to respond/comment/speak with depth and nuance.
The problem is that Hurwitz is way off when it comes to the justice. She is not at all qualified. His whole point relies on her being competent, which she isn’t!
These conversations convict me to speak my mind more with my family. They also keep me sane through endless hours of wedding dress alterations. (I'm a seamstress, not a bride.)
Your popularity hasn't gone down because people know you and believe you are the enlightened teacher we so desperately need to speak the truth regardless of what it may appear to those who keep telling tall tales. Listening to you makes me feel sane.
1:58:21 A golden moment. This conversation is so heartwarming to see becuase of the humility, humour and openness. Jonathan Pageau is the model of restraint and reflection, too.
1:58:39 - JP - "You really are an awful person" 😂😆
"Jonathan Pageau is the model of restraint and reflection, too." ... whereas Hurwitz is the model of narcissistic, insulting and obviously jealous of JP's superior intellect. What an obnoxious human (?) being.
Dr. Peterson you will not be able to please everyone...Don't try...Just be yourself...Don't change your tone. Be yourself...Being yourself is what got you to where you are.
I feel so much compassion and admiration for the three of you for putting your thoughts, your emotions, and your selves out there. In particular, for doing so around these hot topics. I have exactly these kinds of honest conversations with a select few friends and they are very fruitful. I find it rare to be able to have these kinds of conversations with others, and I feel refreshed to see one on display at such a high level of thought and discourse!
It was fascinating to see the banter between them. To see that they're still human gives me hope and takes away from the pressure of being perfect in the future as a leader. It shows me that being a leader requires humility and also that these guys have devoted a lot of time to becoming as good as they are at what they do. I also see that they're working on making the world a better place from a place of genuine good absence of malevolence which is one of the most beautiful things a human being can aim for.
Jordan Peterson, you have helped much more people than you have "offended". The amount of followers you have helped, indicates this. You command respect and advocate the truth and that is what matters to all us. By listening to you we as normal people have been able to manage ourselves to a higher level. Never must you be silenced.
Growing up Mom would often tell me "sorry doesn't cut it." She didn't want an apology, she wanted to see an improvement in my behavior. I'm thankful for this wisdom and that this influence exists in this world. I only wish it was more widespread and widely adopted.
Try Marshall Rosenberg.
@@aninsidestory how is that relevant?
You know he wasn't saying "sorry" in this video, right?
@@Adeon55I don't care for the seemingly condescending tone of your question, but I will nevertheless give you benefit of the doubt and entertain it with all seriousness. To be blunt: yes, it was clear he wasn't saying "sorry" from watching the video. As I recall he carefully explains why this is an apologia and not an apology. My post was to share what I felt was a connected personal experience. I learned saying "sorry" was generally ineffective or at best insufficient to atone for an offense or failure. Yes, the apology and atonement part is my story not his. But thematically, I find the two stories compatible. In my experience people who say sorry and don't actually strive to improve behavior are actually saying "I regret that you caught my offense or failure." Meanwhile, people that DON'T say "sorry" and yet do sincerely endeavor to improve behavior have tangible merit in this world. The lack of "sorry" is really the lack of regret, and I see wisdom in the lack of regret. Assuming any regret is sincere, you can either dwell on your failure or you can strive to be better. I don't think you can do both.
I could listen to endless hours of these two in conversation. Actually came across as meaningful to both of them. Amazing.
After watching further into the video I am enjoying the dynamic of all three of them.
Jonathan's subtle expressions! Like when Gregg said you don't apologise to the mob, he agreed, but when he said that made you a coward, he was like "well, I wouldn't put it like that..."
So many have already said great things about this video; I too enjoyed it. Great to see a group of friends willing to call each other out when needed. I hope there are more of these discussions. It helps us peek behind the curtain and see humanness, and willingness to learn and change, and ultimately, hopefully, humility to admit we didn't approach something well.
But regarding apology to the person... my wife has helped me understand that even if I hurt someone unintentionally (i.e., when you accidentally step on a stranger's toe in the store) you still need to apologize. This is not an admission of malicious intent, or that your ideology is incorrect, but of the fact that something I did hurt someone. It's humbling to admit, but so necessary to do so.
Loved this! Love JP! Love his humility and I definitely believe in accountability and, knowing he put himself in the hot seat in the pursuit of growth, just makes me respect him even more. Unfortunately, I didn't see any of that same humility in that Hurwitz guy, thought he was a bit of a blow hard... Sooooo, go JP, stand for what you think is right, don't let them try to water down the truth/your message. Thanks for so boldly being the voice of wisdom. The truth offends liars. Let's not be surprised by that. Speak! Continue to have courage! Praying for you! ❤️🇨🇦
Be yourself, its your best quality. Thank you for everything you say. We need more honesty and less pandering. Thank you for this podcast.
Only a true friend could know Dr. Peterson so well as to criticize his approach with such powerful arguments...Hat's off to Mr. Hurwitz for providing such a well structured and compelling opposing argument. A very thought-provoking conversation indeed.
Certainly one of the most interesting videos I've seen about Peterson as a person. Gregg said everything I wish Jordan would consider, and more, directly to him without holding back.
Well structured.....I think he thought it felt good but substance was lacking especially with his weak arguments for the past.
Hurwitz is such a manipulative snake
Thank you for having and sharing this conversation 🍀
When I was younger I was definitely liberal. The more I hear this man talk about how to say thing liberally the more I see that option as a cop out. Luke warm answers are palpable but create no change. When the good are silent the wicked rule.
The it's not the good and the wicked, precisely. It's the good and the not-yet-good. You don't get to simply 'beat' the wicked and ignore them afterwards. They're *still there,* and they need a place to go once they're beaten down. Assuming you believe you're on the good side, shouldn't you wish to bring them into the fold? And better yet, wouldn't it be optimal for that to happen with a minimal amount of destruction?
No, demeanor is highly important. This is a constructive project, not a fun, tribal 'I win' project. This is about morality, this is about community, this is about encouraging as many people as possible to aim at the highest. Period. Not about you feeling like you won the fun tribal battle. There's room in the middle for discussion, but proper conduct and demeanor is certainly compatible with being honest, and there simply will not be as much progress without a bit of finesse.
fact is that liberals benefit from the wicked ruling, fundamentally, thats their mode of being, unwitting benefactors of wicked men with wicked plans.
@@gezenews Yep, no more time in this 4th Turning for "RINO Republican", stand on nothing policies...
So what are you?
We have a growing generation who want to hear goodly things said of them rather than the truth, at all costs, and are pushing that same thing onto the youth.
I could be wrong, but I just felt like I unilaterally listened to Hurwitz for 2 1/2 hours, and that by and large, he monopolized the conversation. I'm not convinced by his argument that you seemingly can't have a position on a certain matter without 1. being an authority on it, and 2. that you have to be equitable by voicing an opinion on ALL matters. That's a metric that's unreasonable by any standard.
Yes I’m still trying to gauge this criticism as well. Here’s why. Ideas are like paintings. People believe what you put in front of them. To say that you didn’t like the tone of someone else’s point partially revolves around your perception of a particular topic. It’s almost like assuming that you have all the cards are laid out but on certain topics that’s just not the case, especially with the whole gender philosophy stuff. Like, how are you going to further a conversation on an idea knowing very well that you don’t have all the answers that your so afraid of asking to begin with. On the issue of race I might be more sympathetic because it’s been flushed out here. But there’s a certain arrogance personality that I’m seeing on “the left” and these people are often so afraid to admit certain things because they also believe that the right will just say “yep no more trans people easy.” It’s like they expect trust to be give to them without any oversight to the project and it’s not clear that that pattern of attempting to solve an issue is the same personality pattern that will continue to sustain the issue further once they think everything is fixed, again because of some cowardly reason. It’s a slippery slope
Completely agree. He makes some good points but seems fairly insufferable. Overconfident, loud and obnoxious and cannot accept criticisms nor admit basic facts. Not convinced in much of his argument despite provoking my thoughts on Peterson’s tone and mildly aggressive takes as of late.
Fully concur, but "to be fair", that was probably the explicit point of the conversation. Sort of one person from an extensive 360 feedback session.
Jordan, Mr. Hurwitz criticizes you for not always being perfect. He needs to look at his own performance. He constantly interrupts with his opinions. One of the things I really admire about you is that you are a human struggling with issues central to humanity.
Great comment, God bless ☦️
I really hope this discussion happens again! This could be a whole series. Really enjoyed the discussion in such a close friendship/intimate manner.
It's not easy to be put on the spot and how they conducted themselves was great and really professional.
JP leaning back, laughing sheepishly, and saying "alright you got me, good one, yeah yeah." That warmed my heart.
These are two friends. Look at their body language. I hope to see more of this in our society. Friendly disagreement.
The honesty and strength here was inspiring . I thought Jonathan’s input although small was weighted with depth and created a wonderful container. Such a deep context he provided .
Dr Peterson astounds me every day but this is by far the most impressive thing I have ever seen him do.
Imagine a world where anyone with influence - or anyone at all, really - had friends like this, friendships like this, or could be a friend like this. This is truly beautiful to behold. It will live with me as long as the moonshine/dog image will... >.
Thank you Jordan!!!!! And friends such as yours are rare! For me your value to this world has stepped up to another level !!!!! l
Thank you Dr. Peterson. I listen to your podcast and lectures. I cannot articulate as well as you but you speak for many of us (speculating). You are appreciated in many ways by many of us, we all as human beings need to realize that we all must live together with love and compassion but not without discretion. We all must respect each other, regardless of any discrimetive aspects. We can only achieve together and not alone, alone we lose.
"We all must respect each other...", this goes against Jordan's views, specifically, that respect should be earned
@@emmioglukant You are correct, I am a father and I take care of my family as I should. I can only hope that I have earned at least some respect in that sense. I hope I speak for those like that not those who have not earned any respect. I listen to these lectures and podcasts to help better myself as a man. Thank you for the correction, I can see that I didn't explain myself in detail but just posted a fleeting thought.
@@emmioglukant Agree. Respect should definitely be earned.
I'm only half way through but this is what an adult discussion looks like. Brilliant. Thankyou Daily Wire. Thanks to all here. Keep shining the light.
Jordan, you don’t need to listen to criticism.
You have integrity with a a capital I.
Just be true to your own reality.
It is your art and gift to mankind.
It’s what good hearted sane people appreciate about your viewpoints.
Just the conversation I was hoping to see take place. Those of us that have had palpable and impactful changes in our lives as a result of applying your ideas in practice were disheartened by seeing you get taken over by ideology and slowly transform into one more mouthpiece that spews judgment. It is wonderful that you've been able to build such authentic relationships and that you are accepting of feedback. I look forward to seeing the results of this conversation. The counterpoints that we all thought were well represented here, as well as your role and what you do best.
By the way, you haven't just helped 'men', I am a 41-year-old woman with kids. I've become a better person and mother because the ideas in your lectures and interviews shed light on the darkest of shadows that haunted me for years. Thank you for that! And thank you for putting out this conversation that was aiming up!
I really enjoyed this. It reminds me of decades past where people of good will could disagree but still maintain mutual respect and affection for each other. Please more of this!
I’m glad I chose to listen to this podcast as I have been listening less to Jordan the past year or so. I started my learning journey back in 2016, discovered Hitchens, Harris and the “intellectual dark web.” I also discovered Jordan who I fell deeply in like with. He was able to teach and articulate so many ideas that I knew nothing about but was fascinated by. He was the teacher you wish everyone could be exposed to. Fast forward a few years and I felt a real sadness that you had picked a political side to buddy up with. I felt like you had alienated so many potential students. I wanted you to remain apolitical. I also noticed an anger that was not there in the past. I thought Gregg Hurwitz did an amazing job looking at these changes and pointing out the exact sort of things I had noticed. This also helped me understand the vitriol you and your family have and are facing. When you came back from your illness I literally cried. We need you in the public arena and are asking so much from you. A mind and heart like yours is rare and should be carefully guarded.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart for trying to do good in our world.
Beautifully put. I feel exactly the same way.
I think it's a bit unfair to say he picked a side to "buddy up with" I don't think you've followed his recent time in the spotlight very closely. He made EVERY effort to remain apolitical and if anything tried to claim to be on the side of liberals but was repeatedly bashed over the head with the label of conservative/bigot/fascist extremist. He didn't alienate himself from a side, a specific group of people made every effort to alienate his ideas from a certain side.
It's a phenomenon that many people in Peterson's position describe as "I didn't leave the left, the left left me"
Whichever end of the political spectrum you fall under, there is no reasonable way to argue that the side moving further and further into their own direction is the left. Oh the conservatives finally got Roe v Wade over turned? You mean like they've been trying to do for the last half century? They STILL hold the same views on marriage? Etc. They aren't changing their views, they just look further away as one progresses more and more to the left. Peterson recognized the problem as soon as the left entered the territory of controlling language and he said as much. He tries to be as objective as possible and play devils advocate in almost every conversation I've watched him have (unless he's already having a debate/conversation with someone who's doing a fine enough job of advocating for their side.)
If you can't listen to an honest critique of the insanity surrounding language and "the science" without feeling it's political in nature, I'd argue its not Peterson who's bringing too much politics to the conversation, but you yourself.
@@imsoboredrightnowlol Reed, I also felt that he was becoming of a "buddy" to the US political right and a lot more vitriolic. If it weren't for THIS podcast, I would've unsubscribed. No kidding, immediately prior to listening to this podcast I was going to "unfollow" - when, I told myself, "I'll just listen a little to this podcast..." It's one of the best podcasts Peterson has done. Trust has been restored. Maybe we can find away to a work together and not blow everything up.
Yes! These last months I watch Jordan sometimes wondering who this person is. Instead of thoughtfully and methodically addressing issues, with that 'we can do a little better today than we did yesterday and that's progress' attitude, it feels like he has resorted to name calling and slinging insults. Negativity without the Peterson hope I've come to count on. I skip over most of his content lately because of that. I'm really glad I didn't skip over this one. A bridge being rebuilt.
@@georgetate6055 if you think that it's only because you're not yourself on the right. I view myself as a pretty conservative person and can tell you Peterson gets a LOT wrong about the right even though he's more understanding than most because he's been pilloried the way the left pillories everyone who doesn't fall in line. But he's still very susceptible to believing ideas from mainstream media that are easily debunked. I believe the fact that you view him as having become more to the right is simply evidence as to how rapidly the left progresses leftward. You listened to him before and found him reasonable, fast forward past the 2020 election, Jan 6 and the trucker protests and all the narratives that ensued and all of a sudden you can hardly stand to listen to the same person speaking the same truths.
There may also be a bit more emotion in his voice but I view something like this as a bit of what I call an 'Alex Jones' phenomenon. I'm not a viewer of Alex Jones, I've only ever seen him speak in short excerpts on other people's shows and I get that he comes across as a nut. But imagine how you would feel if you told everyone there was a pedophile island where the rich went to abuse children and NO ONE took you seriously for over a decade and then the news breaks that it's real and everyone acts all shocked and amazed about it. Peterson is in much the same boat when he warns of the dangers of trans ideology and the manipulation of language and the current crisis the western world is facing in that regard today. He warned everyone it would happen, it's happening even more rapidly than could have been feared, and everyone is surprised when he's upset about the harm being done and says "well calm down now Mr Jordan your scaring people by having feelings about your warnings being ignored and seeing what's happening in the world today"
Finally, an intelligent adult conversation without shouting and and nonsense. Thank you!
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Dr. Peterson, what I find most inspiring and admirable about you, is your ability to be vulnerable, and so openly and publicly expose yourself voluntarily to criticism. Such virtue is rare to find these days. Everyone nowadays is trying to be right and show where the other got it wrong - and you are doing exactly the opposite. Real tolerance doesn't mean wearing a facade of compassion for very specific certain groups of people. Real tolerance starts with oneself - understanding that sometimes we make mistakes, accepting them compassionately, and then deciding to do better next time. I really think this is really what we need the most - from our thinkers, our public figures, and our leaders.
I do admire your genuine willingness to improve, Dr. Peterson. I am not sure your tone is a (real) issue; everything seems so backward these days that a good deal of anger is sometimes necessary in your tone, I would say. Especially when it comes to Reality or Truth. Let us not forget that Science is also at stake. Thank you for this conversation, the three of you.
precisely
It is fundamentally heartwarming to see these good friends disagree on topics and still be able to laugh with eachother about the "ill advised" statements of the other. I watch alot of stuff online about the left the reight and the inbetween cos i dont think one side has ALL the answers but i never before saw Jordan Peterson really lauching about something he did that might not have been given enough thought. Love it!
Btw, if everybody in the world would be so honest about themselfs and so eager to better themselfs as Jordan B. Peterson in this Discussion the world would be a much much better place. Well done Sir and plse keep up the good work.
P.S. Plse Dr. Peterson be carefull around the DW-network. I'm a big fan of Ben and Candice and ofc of you but sometimes i see Matt saying stuff that was really embarassing in 2022 and sometimes everybody works too much about creating content instead of creating a healthy discussion. Dont let the DW take over your personality. because after all i am only here because of what you had to say and how you said it Dr. Peterson.
Plse excuse my typos im not a native english speaker
Finally, a conversation with Dr. Peterson where the opposition is not trying to gotcha him and waste our time. The level of depth was a nice change.
You have a great deal of patience Dr. Peterson.
Great video! Never apologize for honesty. If you receive backlash for honesty, you've obviously struck a nerve. One that needs some reflection rather than deflection.
Curious how you have formed a full opinion of this 2+ hour video given it's only been released an hour 😌
@@whydyespillyerbeans exactly my point. It's one of those generic comments again.
There's a way to be honest to get your point across, and there's other ways to be honest, like exacerbating polarization. You may be fine with any type of honesty, but there are different consequences for whatever way you communicate that honesty. If you want your honesty to impact the most people possible, you have to think about how you communicate it.
The honesty may strike a nerve, but what other collateral damage happened when you struck it? People who want to communicate honesty, like Peterson, should also consider the consequences of how they get their message across.
“Liberals” are insufferable. This guy is missing that “his” side is abusing kids, allowing crime to run rampant, and making decisions based on race. The West leftists are currently possessed by the devil. Never apologize for telling the truth. Biden is the racist. People who make decisions based on race are racists. The devil twists truth. This guest is just like all liberals who have allowed the beast in. Don’t let these wreckless liberals make anyone but their kin feel bad about telling thr truth. Why doesn’t this guest put his money where his mouth is and turn that “liberal” insight into the democrat “liberal” party and critique his liberal missteps. And BTW, 1940s Germany was a socialist country. Socialist counties are not “right wing.” Liberalism is a mental disorder. Such evil. Never apologize for telling the truth. It is the duty to tell the truth
@@StyeAI Nah anime kid.. you can agree in an hour.. if it was in one minute then you could make your shallow kiddy anime claims.. also your point you said.. i dont see your first point, so your second one is a generic comment of denial more than another who agrees after a good half of a 120 minute video
I gotta say it's good to have friends like this. Good job guys.
Very happy to see this. Great friends. Great willingness to sincerely participate.
Thank you Doctor Peterson, your sacrifices have not gone unnoticed. I am forever grateful to you for your voice and dedication to common sense.
It's good to see intelligent discussions where two people voice their disagreements in a calm and rational good faith manner. There are a lot of content creators out there just preaching to the choir, but discussions like this actually offer people something new to think about and that helps to improve the quality of public discourse.
That's the relationship Hate and Crystal have.
They're each other's best friends.
What a beautiful conversation! Thank you three for that!
I’m a black woman who adores Dr.JP but he was becoming almost indefensible. I would still watch his interviews but sharing them with liberal friends who were already on the fence about him turned into an uphill battle. This right here is yet another testimony to how honest, humble and authentic he is. He’s so genuine in his desire to grow and evolve. Love him!
Oh please. You're being overly dramatic. He was being unnecessarily blunt in tone (reading off scripts didn't help either, as it made his tone more juttery and unnatural/angry sounding.) But to say that he was "indefensible" is absurd. Indefensible is a label almost entirely monopolized by the church of woke in recent years.
With that said, I'm glad he reflected and changed his cadence. It will be much more able to reach the world this way as opposed to before.
Never question yourself. You're ahead of the curve Jordan. Your tones ring from a difficult future, a future you're trying to help us avoid. Dont let temporarily comfortable people silence your truth.
I like that there is a discussion overall, but I wonder if the gentleman that is taking up the bulk of the conversation realized (in real time) that he is not holding the same standards for his side as he does for what he perceives to be the opposition or Jordan’s position in the moment he sent those Tweets.
I agree, he wasn't, but the discussion was about Dr. JP, and he invited him to play, as he put it, the devil's advocate.
He was insufferable. Monopolized the conversation and couldn’t hear any FAIR criticism of his own side. “But, but, but…” 🙄
That's precisely the point and why this conversation matters. You only demand the best from people you love, respect and care about.
@@syrex6729 Yet Hurwitz doesn’t hold his side to even a similar standard. Total hypocrite in numerous ways (see others comments for examples). He was more concerned about winning the arguments and representing liberals well than helping JP.
I agree JP should’ve directed the “not beautiful” tweet to SI, not the model.
But the whole thing about Page was… I mean, comparing that to getting a TATTOO?? And dismissing the influential aspects of the article? I’d have respected him more if he could’ve admitted it’s mostly a social contagion leading many to make irreversible decisions the are likely to regret. But all of that’s overshadowed by the god-son anecdote. 🙉🙈
And he lectures JP on humility while boring us with that stupid dream story. The man loves to hear himself talk. 🥱
Asking for constructive criticism on delivery does not mean you’re obligated to accept it whole. People who disagree on principle are useful. They help us find blind spots, encourage empathy, broaden perspective. Great. But while Hurwitz was willing to give those things, he wasn’t willing to receive them. And he seemed to enjoy his role too much. I find that if I’m eager to correct someone, then I’m not in the right frame of mind to do it. (Yes, he said he did it reluctantly, but the reasons had to do with how it would affect HIM, not JP.) Anyway. I agree with your statement generally, I just think Hurwitz blew it.
PRE-cisely~!
We came here because you help us understand each other and ourselves better by explaining how you feel and what you think. I am grateful and thank you for your talks. You gave me hope when I needed it the most. Thank you Dr. Peterson. If you don't like it go away.
We need to see more discussions like this on similar difficult topics. Thank you
I think that Mr Peterson's role is to tell the truth as he is seeing it. Being authentic is his Greatest strength. We get to shift through and make our own decisions.
This was so refreshing to watch and listen to. Not only because the conversation was so candid, and adversarial in the way friends are with each other. But because it models how all conversations across lines should be. Thank you for this!
Hello Dr. Peterson,
first of all thank you for this and all the other great videos.
One thing i always admired you for is the fact that you are a great listener, and that seemed to show in every video I saw.
And that is demonstrated by you not bluntly stating an opinion, but instead by asking intelligent question. It is the perfect demonstration of the power of the socratic method.
I think this is why you manage to reach so many people, since no one can just sweep away that style of argumentation, as opposed to blunt statments.
Looking forward to learn even more from you and your way of thinking!
I believe so much can be learned about how to express ones opinion without having to completely disrespect the one you are delivering the message too. You guys sat down holding different positions then you would have once the conversation came to an end. Not that anyone had to completely capitulate to another but instead responsibly fine tuned your thoughts on the issues. The key I believe had to do about everyone properly readying the mind to both hope and desire to not just find common ground but to help the others understand where each individuals view stemmed from. Extremely Powerful, thank you!
This guy is absolutely insufferable. "You SHOULD this", "You aren't an EXPERT on that", "Akshually, you're wrong about this", "You don't understand the bigger picture.", "I'm going to TEACH you."
I don't understand why Peterson respects this person at all. What a waste of time.
Dr. Peterson, stop suffering the condescension of fools, and don't change the way you do anything for these clowns.
One of the most engaging, endearing and uplifting conversations I’ve listened to on CZcams. In these conversations is the hope for mankind. So glad you guys recorded and shared this exchange between friends!
This is truly phenomenal. Respect to JP for doing this.
Loved this discussion! I have friends like Jordan and i know how it is to sit in the hot seat 🤣🤣🤣! But man! You took it like a man to expose yourself publicly like this and i love your humility and humor. Of all of you! Be blessed to have friends like this ❤️
This is the most important discussion of Jordan’s “Second Wave”. Not because of the content or facts per se , but because of the spirit and kind.
Let’s hope this pattern/spirit increases.
This was challenging and hard to listen to for me, but I think it was largely fruitful, and very courageous of all the participants. I can agree that pretty much all of the tweets in question struck the wrong tone (although I agree with their substance). Hurwitz's dream was very revealing of his own mind, but I don't know how instructive or authoritative it is. I felt he verged on being prideful/controlling in asserting he knew and could properly define "your role." And I think it is tricky and fraught with danger to try to hew a path *between* two sides. I think you are an important bridge builder, but you have to continue to side with the truth to the best of your ability, and go where that takes you, which may not please even your very close friends, and may not conciliate the people you wish to conciliate. Nevertheless, blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the sons of God, and I hope and pray you succeed in great measure, and fully and faithfully live out your life's purposes, to all of our great gain. My intuition is that you are honing in on the truth and are taking stands *where* you should, even if sometimes you are off in your tone/mode of address. You are identifying the truly dangerous trends and fault-lines with great accuracy and insight, and I thank God for you. God bless you and much love to you from a grateful listener.
Beautifully said, thank you for sharing.
I developed the idea, while watching this conversation, that Jordan loaned Gregg that coat, which was much too small for him [Greg] and that's why he was wrestling with it for the whole 2 hours. xox
I agree; this was a challenging listen for me as well, but I believe I know the reason for that, and I am much less forgiving than you - it is because Hurwitz is a tool.
Well said, I agree
"taking stands where you should" brings to my mind Gandalf before the balrog, holding the bridge while his friends fled. The people he is trying to save cannot defend themselves, so Jordan takes a stand.
WOW! Lots to process! A *FANTASTIC* discussion. And much deeper than I thought it would be.
I want to see more conversations like this, where people try to figure out what is the optimal way to go about improving the world, self-reflectively.
The intellectual humility and determination to refining one’s way that is demonstrated in this intro is like nothing I’ve seen before. It seems to exhibit a critical way of being in this new universe. Beyond that, the constructive critique of the CEOs were remarkably elegant in their reasoning and care -
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Couldn't agree more. I was worried about the direction JP was going in, this shows he still has humility.
@@elliewest5011 If you were perceiving direction, you're missing the broader context.
@@elliewest5011 yeah, it seems a lot of people “concerned” haven’t been watching any of Peterson’s content over the last year. It has been as on point and down the line as anything he has ever said and with the same blunt honesty he’s always had. You’re the one allowing yourself to be consumed by the fabricated conflagration over three sentence messages on a social media platform that represents barely 20% of the US population in active users.
@@Billsbob That's possible. I didn't follow any of the twitter stuff though, I just perceived a difference in tone between the' personality lectures/biblical series' days and a few of the early daily wire releases. That's all, I'm a fan!
This is an honest joy to watch and completely changes my view on pretty much everything. Its hard to comprehend life sometimes but what's not hard to comprehend is the honest "sane" discussion between people who still hang on to hope of humanity, humility, freedom, and above all else, humor.
Pure Grace. A blueprint for how public intellectuals should behave. I was sad when it seemed that you had been becoming captured by the hyperbolic polemicists of the right, and am overjoyed that the qualities that made you so important to me won out and led to this exploration. You have made even your mistakes extremely valuable lessons. Thank you!
Oh my goodness THANK YOU so much for this conversation! Well done by all! I cannot believe I just saw this!!
I, for one, love your “tone” as it is much warranted. Please do not succumb to the pressure to be politically correct and/or mealy-mouthed. We need brilliant, articulate people like you to state the true nature of our cultural abnormalities that would otherwise run rampant.
You. Are. Needed.
You. Are. Loved.
Never. Back. Down.
God bless you in every way.
That part 👌🏾
Gorgeous.
Speak the truth and the truth will set us free. 💪🧠❤️
This is just....enriching to view and hear. Because this is ACTUAL genuine communication and exploration through discourse.
Which literally doesn't happen anymore.
This is precisely why I respect and like Jordan Peterson.
Thank-you Jordan, we love your honesty and integrity. You can handle criticism with openness, and it will keep you strong and observant.
he was rightfully angry, hope his not going to listen to Hurwitz stay honest passionate that's all normal human reaction , anybody raised its voice for children getting lifelong distraction i am sorry i have 3 grand kids and i am angry
He cries like a baby because his doomsday crap only speaks to hopeless incels.
This was unbelievable. Love seeing you challenged in this way. You’ve got some great friends. Super impressed with the guests. Btw, I was also banned on twitter and felt very similar to the way you did. I don’t really have the same platform to voice it but I tried anyway. I got banned after you shared my Elon musk drawing and the powers at be did not like that. Wishing you the best, Jordan.
Me too
Friends? Christ, who needs enemies. Greg is obsessed to change Jordan a grown a$s man. In order for Greg to feel better about himself, screw that guy.
@@larky3487 Being grown doesn't mean you are free of mistakes. You need friends and colleagues who will tell you when you are wrong. Even Jordan himself admit that he was wrong in using his power of MILLIONs of followers to hit it on the head of one woman with 11k followers. It is asymmetric warfare. That said Gregg doesn't do this just to feel better about himself, he's has a lot of admiration for Peterson. He said Peterson has a gift and power, and he must be responsible when using that power.
Loved, loved, loved this discussion. Genuine reflection, genuine discussion, and depolarizing in nature. Exactly what the world needs more of. Never heard of Greg before, but you can count me in as a fan. Jonathan is deep and wise as usual. Jordan does well in being reigned in now and then despite his usual well kept stance. Bravo gentlemen.
Mr Peterson, thank you, I mean really, thank you...just for being you. And God bless you.
I think it can be justifiably asserted that Kentanji-Jackson revealed herself to be incredibly deceitful with her response to the what is a woman question. It's not a gotcha question. It's an altogether essential question in the context of how we define reality without which the law itself has no meaning.
if these questions are so fair why aren't they asking men the same question?
@@jaydr6988 what do you mean? Are you implying that we should be asking men what a man is?
@@jaydr6988 because we won’t play that stupid game
@@MH3GL they probably fear the array of answers they know they’ll receive
@@jaydr6988 Asking "what is a woman?" is unfair now, apparently
Is asking "how much is 2+2?" also unfair? You're insulting the intelligence of whoever that question is being asked to IF YOU THINK THEY CAN'T ANSWER IT