Pro-Choice vs Pro-Life: Can They See Eye To Eye? | Middle Ground
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Hi everyone! We decided to bring back a popular topic to hear other people’s perspective on Pro Life vs Pro Choice. This is definitely a difficult topic since we all have our own opinions and experiences on whether we believe in one side or the other.
Do you know anyone in your life that has either got an abortion or decided to keep the baby & what has that experience been for them?
Please do: do atheists think the same - spectrum 🙏🏻
I personally am pro-choice, but my mother is pro-life. My mother had an abortion after I was born, and she has regretted her decision ever since. I do not know what it is like to have an abortion, but I am still pro-choice.
Mother was pro-choice but couldn't bring herself to abort a child. She got pregnant 4 times, on birth control. I was the oldest. I remember constantly living in poverty, and having to raise my siblings while she was working.
Now we're all okay and I love my siblings dearly, but from a logical standpoint, her quality of life would've been way better if she'd just gotten abortions.
That's why I'm pro-choice
If you become pregnant but can't afford to raise a child then get an *abortion* .
I do not want my tax dollars going to fund foster care or welfare programs to support children born to irresponsible parents.
What if the child will be born disabled or have a mental problem like Down syndrome or cerebral palsy?
I would abort it
It’s so weird how this is more respectful than the flat earther debate
The flat earther one was sad. Those scientists were trying their best, and were respectful
And when the question, i believe the other side is uneducated rose, and the flat earthers called the scientists uneducated, i almost broke my phone
That’s because flat earthers get angry they don’t understand... like chimps lol
Steamy Streamy because this is belief vs belief and flat earth one is facts vs belief
and the meat eaters vs vegans 🤔
It was Timmerie’s presence I swear
What's a girl gotta to do to see a debate between some scientists and some flat Earthers
Edit: a girl finally got what a girl wanted
Hahahah what debate? It would look like a primary school class.
Bumppp
They're working on it, they posted about it!
@@aliemaza5241 can't wait to see ugh
There’s nothing to debate, the earth isn’t flat
This debate was amazing. I think we need to teach better sexual safety so people aren’t put in this situation in the first place.
bracel
THANK YOU
yes -especially in developing countries.
Agreed
Exactly, the choice in pro choice needs to be the choice to get pregnant and preventing these situations
I vote for a part 2 of this. Bring them all back
Naw they should bring on people with more intellect their arguments were extremely surface level.
@@fallingforever2029 is that directed to you? they went deeper than the surface level, id like you to go on this show and just give ur opinion and how deep you'll go.
@@estrellagonzalez9740 i would if i had the opportunity. What part of any of their arguments went past the surface level?
@@fallingforever2029 kinda wish u did tho, might've been cool
@@fallingforever2029 i am SOO deeply scared of the 20th booster existing
Please do : Public school vs Homeschool middle ground
I see you everywhere lol
@@leedleleedleleedlelee6188 same
wigconic pubic/ private too
Yessss I would love to see that
DO NOT READ MY NAME
Why do I look in the comments knowing that I’ll get pissed off
It's a constrant struggle, Lee
Are you a pessimist?
I miss u lee!
Lee Everett i feel you 100%
Facts
Based on my experience these benefits are much harder to receive than Most ppl think. I literally have an eviction notice in hand and 3 teenage boys who will be on the streets within days and I have called any and every organization I can think of or I've been told about and none of them can help me. Even though they are aware that 3 children are facing homelessness they can not help me!!
thank you for sharing your experiences. pro lifers really need to consider these circumstances more.
@@ahoee you are probably the same kind of person who thinks its ok if an 18 and 19 yo can use a bounce house if they want and are light enough...
Same here. Currently homeless but living with relatives. I had been looking and applying everywhere for months.
Easy situation to solve, perform a late abortion on your three teenage boys, less mouths to feed, less likely to be evicted.
@@ahoee well people that are pro life do think of these things, it’s just that we know that a life is much more important than a job or home. What you’re implying here is that every homeless person should’ve been aborted which is very cruel. Also how can you tell the future of what someone will become or where they will end up. If you really think about the reason why women get abortions you will realize that it’s more for inconvenience and selfish desires such as freedom rather than other actual debatable cases such as rape or life threatening birth to the mother.
Respect to everyone in this one, very respectful on a hugely controversial topic. This is how the conversation should be.
Fr
“i’m so sorry you had to go through that experience” she’s so respectful even though they have opposite views, and she’s so sweet
I agree, but to me it seemed like she looked at her with a clear expression of pity, sympathy. I understand the girl's personal experience is painful to her, but frankly I'm tired of pro-life peeps looking at pro-choice girls that had abortions, as if they felt sorry for them because they condemned themselves. That is not coming from a neutral point of view, but from a self righteous one
@@SilverAukahzy so it was somewhat condescending ?
She is the best person to have on this show.
i mean it really was the bare minimum
@@zarasarwar8836 i know :((
It would be interesting to see pro-life women vs pro-choice men.
dsolomon ok yes
Or even the other way around tbh 😂
dsolomon yessssssss
The world is gonna end
TC Challenges but it is usually like that though
I absolutely LOVE how open minded both these groups are. Able to see out of someone elses eyes. Im personally pro choice. i enjoy knowing that i was born because my mom wanted to have me. Not because she had to. And many more reasons but im always willing to hear other peoples respectful opinions. Lets all be like this please
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@@goldenrule8706 Nice :) 🏳🌈✨but also kinda random, don't ya think?
Ya your such a scholar
@@dont_know_my_name she is calling them gay
Usually you have the choice whether or not to get pregnant in the first place and it is your responsibility to birth that child for your actions. Plus, a life is better than no life even if the mom is experiencing hardships. The mother can get financial support from organizations. Just no matter the circumstances of the mother it's a DUTY as a mother to birth that genetically unique baby. If you have an argument against this I can easily destroy it since pro abortion's arguments are basic.
back today watching after the overturn announcement...
We’ve been saying this for SO long, Flat-Earthers vs Actual Scientist
Phở Baby Probably taking a while to find flat earthers
@Cece Ruben scientists who don't specialize in the cosmos yes, but there are 0 astronomers that believe in flat earth
there would be no debate...
They announced that that's going to be an episode already
And I've been saying this for SO long, that's fact vs fiction, not ideology vs ideology. You could do conspiracy theorists vs conspiracy deniers, or something like that.
love how they took such a 'heated' & 'controversial' topic and had a mature conversation, accepting each others views, and not getting mad. shows us how a real conversation should be!
Accepting? Pfft. They're more like holding on their emotions to not explode throughout the conversation.
Fajar Setiawan that’s exactly how you have a civil discussion, by putting whatever emotions you feel to the side
I wish congressmen and women could do this
Oh what days do we live in where hedonism controls peoples lives to the point they justify murdering their own child.. We as humans are gifted with rationality, the ability to think beyond all animals, and we still participate in these barbarous acts. For what exactly? Feeling "good" for 10 minutes? Is it worth killing an innocent soul? How selfish can a person be?
If you want to talk about maturity, take from the pro lifers, not the childish and selfish pro murder activists.
David Adesegun Unfortunately you came up with that definition to promote your personal agenda. Humans don’t get to decide if another human is a human, science does. And science says the first progression of life starts at conception. From there on it’s YOU who is deciding, you sick barbarian.
I’m neither pro choice or pro life. I believe that every case has its own solution. It’s absolutely crazy to abort a baby at 8 months pregnant like one can in New Mexico but it’s also nuts to completely ban abortion. We need to find a middle ground where the fetus and the rights of women are protected
You CANNOT abort baby at 8 months. Unless the baby has severe deformities and endangereds mothers life. Don't spread misinformations and lies.
Same I'm neither it depends on the situation to me
I wholeheartedly agree
@Třída D thats a disgusting thing to say. Seeing as you were once a baby you regard yourself as a parasite too.
if you aren't pro-life or pro-choice, you are pro-choice. you don't care what the person who is pregnant is going to do with the fetus and their body. it's *their* choice. this is just what i personally believe though.
This is probably the best episode of “Middle Ground” that I’ve seen yet. Everyone was so polite and respectful when stating their views, and agreeing or disagreeing with someone. I really love how they were all able to joke and laugh from time to time. Conversations like this are what will help us accomplish things.
this is probably the first episode of middle ground ive seen where there wasn't "that one person" that just ruined it for everybody lmao *cough* derrick the incel *cough*
cheese empanada omg I remember Derrick😂
Derrick bruh💀💀💀
Derrick could leave💀
which one had derrick the incel?
oh derrick
I don't know why I keep watching these when I'm fully aware they're gonna piss me off lmao
Me too
Literally same lol
How come? I thought this discussion was pretty civil. Also u a reveluv? 👍
It’s just from the fact we disagree with some of the points are unable to say what we think as we are separate from the discussion. That’s what I’d say anyway. As civil as it is, it’s hard to feel civil about it when personally, i feel like pro life would be Taking human rights from me.
I'm sitting here saying the same thing.
I was scared to watch this video.
But they were really respectful and had interesting discussions without attempting to beat each other up.
Who here today after the US just announced half of our states being Banned from abortion!!??
abortion should never be a religious conversation.
I agree, but I do think morality is a valid reason. You don't see people getting mad at people who don't support murder with their only backing being morality.
i’m a guy . i do believe woman should have a choice wether to abort . i don’t understand why other woman try to say “u can’t have an abortion , it’s against my morals” like that’s not fair because it’s not ur body it’s another person body . i also feel that men should be able to give their input in the matter but SHOULD NOT BE THE DOMINATE VOICE. . Also men when talking about this sorta thing need to be aware that’s it’s not there body and also to not be patronizing
@ᴘʀɪᴍʀᴏꜱᴇ Foster care and adoption. I believe it's a fate better than instant death.
I'm a Christian and even I agree
@ᴘʀɪᴍʀᴏꜱᴇ Well, who decided to have sex then? It is the mother's baby. The mother decided to have the child by telling him not to use a condom, and now it is the mother and father's job to raise the child. If they don't want to, adoption. And you act like torture is definite. It is not, it is very rare. The worst common case would be child neglegence. Which I believe the child should then be put into foster care.
sees video:
“well this is gonna get heat”
watches video:
“wow they actually had a calm discussion”
Then looks at youtube comments and people have learnt nothing lol
it's very nice editing from raw footage, I'm sure.. ;)
Have waited a whole day to watch this video because I was scared of how I was going to react. I am very passionate about this topic and I didn't want someone to say something that would upset me to the point of me becoming mad (has happened in some other episodes). This comment helped me and calmed me so I could actually watch the video.
I probably wouldn’t have been this calm and I’m just proud they didn’t take it personally (as maybe I would), tho some topics weren’t very widely addressed like rape and low income families (w/ a simple and maybe low quality education), unsafe/clandestine abortions also weren’t mentioned at all, and those could risk both ‘lives’
It was calmer than the others, but there was still the one person that was picking on the others and being harsh
I love how respectful everyone was and how they debated the subject itself and didn't attack each other's views. I wish everyone, no matter if they are pro-life or pro-choice, debated this logically. I am pro-choice and willing to respect opposite views if they are presented logically and if the person respects my views, but most people let their emotions get to their head and attack the other's convinctions instead of debating abortion itself.
elmo
Absolutely the most amazing one to watch. Respectful, everyone has manners and let's everyone talk instead of talking over each other. Great effort.
I really wish they had a pro choice guy because it really would’ve enhanced the conversation having there be two guys with different views
Samantha Breede I was thinking the same ! It would spark some very intriguing conversation.
They already did a Pro Choice and Pro Life middle ground that had an old guy that was Pro Choice
I am a pro-choice guy.
I’m a pro choice guy
Samantha Breede I’m not shocked though bc men don’t understand women’s issues
Surprisingly enough, this is one of the most respectful episodes of Middle Ground yet.
Nobody saw that coming.
i’m shook
Moozy Foozy i agree
Right. This and the teacher one. Society is moving forward.
i think it’s because of how sensitive the topic is
The college graduates / dropout one was pretty chill as well
This was such a great group of people! I do wish they'd touched on rape a bit more though - imagine being a child who was raped and then being legally obligated to continue that trauma by carrying that child to full birth. Also it's definitely our responsibility as adults to bring children into this world in a safe, loving and protected environment. If we can't provide that, it just seems cruel to see that pregnancy through.
Pro-birthers don't care. As long as the birth happens, at whatever cost.
Agreed. Alot of the time when I talk to pro-lifers and I bring up the point of rape, or incest, or child pregnancy, they just say "well that barely happens"
@@sussybaka5201 exactly it gets me heated bc rape is not rare it happens to people everyday, and for them to say “less than 1% of abortions are due to rape” in my opinion sounds ignorant bc they’re basically saying “well the percentage is very low so it doesn’t really matter” ok well that’s still thousands of women affected
That's literally the reason pro-choice happened in the first place. For people to ignore SA, abuse, domestic violence, trauma and r*pe when handling these arguments is completely ignorant and insensitive. The doers ought to face life sentence or at the maximum, death penalty. We as a society should spread awareness regarding these issues, prevention of these criminal acts and endorse stronger punishments for crimes in SA and r*pe
@@Melissa-xo6xm yea it’s happening enough to where it is a problem
I really appriciate the maturity and validation to one another from both sides in this video. Especially with an extremely rough topic
I am just glad they didn’t bring up “well just put them up for adoption” because as an adopted person, it’s not as grand as it sounds. Not every child gets lucky.
better off being put up for adoption than literally d e a d
edit: hey guys so this is awkward but ive actually completely changed my opinion on abortion since then and im pro choice now lol
@Purple Hyacinth can you explain to be how tf a baby inside a womb isnt alive? wtf is it then if its not alive
elizabethッ exactly it’s like pro-choice logic is all humans start off dead then come back to life when a mother gives birth 😂😂🤦🏾♀️. Talk about a medical miracle
@Purple Hyacinth if its not alive how does it grow 😎
@@elizabeth-gd8eg it doesn't have the capacity to say "I love you" or "mum" or say "please don't abort me" it can't tell it's surroundings
i could lowkey tell what side they would be on before it was shown
Yasmin Bandzz way to judge a book by it's cover
Exactly what I was thinking lmao a lot of the time stereotypes appear to hold up
Not in the real world lol
I just saw that chick with glasses and I instantly knew what side she was on lmao
@@kim-kitsuragi what does a criminal look like?
I like how you can tell who’s pro choice just by looking at them
Lmao
@@theguywho-hn3gh You probably also think that it's ok for high school and college students to be allowed to learn chemistry too 🤡🤡🤡
I think we need a part 2 now.
common denominator shocked you?!?!
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Now we especially need one given the news in the US about roe v wade.
I said it once and I say it again, SPECTRUM IDEA: do all women who have had an abortion think the same?
The first one they did had a pro life person who had had an abortion, so they kind of addressed it already
Laura Nope. That seems to come off to me as an absolute.
@@hannahm4581 They had one person out of thousands so that's a good representation of how everyone feels? Lol, no.
Ohh that’s a good one!
Laura bruh, boring. Better idea: do all rich people think the same / poor people
If more money was put into PROPER sex education instead of just abstinence-based stuff, there'd be a lot less need for abortions. Just telling someone "don't have sex until marriage" won't fix anything.
literally all you need to so is use a condom or carry a gun to shoot the rapist.
@Humanity Galatica why make it illegal, so you want to put the trust in the government for an issue that could be simply fixed by education and responsibility? You have your trust way to much in the government, you might as well move to china.
Humanity Galatica i don’t think you understand, sex education is crucial so people are aware of safe sex practices and planned parenthood so that abortion is a last resort. Abortion should be a choice, as it is a choice that woman should be able to make for her own body, but it shouldn’t be the only option
Humanity Galatica nobody especially in gen z is waiting till marriage to have sex it’s not gonna. Work gen z grows up with drugs smoking they all watch porn
Humanity Galatica humanity as a whole is overpopulated, and we’ve managed to accelerate global warming by a lot. There are plenty of women who actually want children, but those who don’t shouldn’t be forced or demonized for not wanting children. The human species will definitely keep going, and abortion isn’t going to suddenly cause our extinction.
Forcing women to give birth to children with major health problems isn’t just immoral. It’s sadistic. Some disorders are a lifetime of suffering. Nobody, with an ounce of decency, should want all pregnancies to go full term.
Those are extremely rare cases and shouldn’t justify the 98% of woman who just abort their baby’s for personal convenience.
@@turtelbro1123 there are many sobs stories from mothers and fathers who regret having children, so no wonder the 98% “personal convenience”
This us probably my favourite group of people who’ve had a debate on this channel. What a wonderful bunch!
*Vaccine existing* is to *20th booster*
As
*running stop signs* is to *T-bone accident*
This was one of the most controversial topics yet one of the most respectful debates.
Yes but the girl in the beanie was pushing it
@@viperz22 this is the one😂😂👌
What’d she do lol?
@@gardenjhr She did have a stronger opinion than others but never raised her voice and let other finish their thoughts before adding onto them.
Maya W stronger doesn’t mean correct
I recommend, “Do all virgins think the same?”
Well obviously no
No, everyone is a virgin at some piont. So, I don't really get it.
Like, everyone is virgin to some age so?
@@mollybyrd7001 That's why they would have that episode. To see what they agree and disagree on.
Topaz Brown well duh 😂
This is an amazing conversation! I hope we can get back to having these respectful conversations without being so extreme.
Love this. We need more conversations like these!💗💗💗
I love how instead of trying to change each other's opinion, they just wanted to share their opinion and experience. This is what a debate is about.
I loved this episode!
why does everyone have this profile picture lol
I also loved how they brought up that it’s okay to not agree with each other and that other people have different views that should be respected. Very classy.
Pilar Guerrero oh yeah yeah
!!! Yessss
I love how they weren't calling each others clowns, killers, idiots, etc. and it was basically all respectful :)
Yeah rare to see in these debates
But abortion is literally murder, facts hurt feelings of Liberals.
@@Viktir123
Your comment is very unnecessary
@@pregnantbae9432 Facts hurt feelings.
@@Viktir123
My feelings ain't hurt but your comment is still unnecessary
I love how respectful they all were
I love this format of open dialogue, debate. Thank you Jubilee for making this possible!
That lady in the pink dress looked like she was about to cry all the time
She's empathetic
@@PanPhobicProdigy nah shes a snowflake
@@internetspectator6051 you can call it whatever you want, its empathy.
@mrmichaelmw great point
Abortion is a very emotional topic for some people and she clearly has a lot of empathy
Never have I ever been more frustrated that I could not intervene in a conversation.
edit: the power I have, setting off a ww3 in my replies lmao
What are you ?
LMAO SAME I WISH I WAS THERE
YES
me too!
Yes
Beautiful video and debate. The fact that both sides listen and truly consider what one another is saying is all what debates are about and not letting them lead to argument!
This was the best middle ground I’ve seen. Everyone is so respectful and knowledgeable.
People who believe in ghosts vs. people who don't.
You could also do this with aliens.
For the aliens what questions would you ask them? Other than the obvious
Arc Official no
Illegal aliens?
@@juniorgomez7608 no
@@lansley8621 lmao no clue.
This converastion is more mature than the presidential debate!
I thought the second presidential debate was good, the first presidential debate was off the rails bad
yes, that is insane
By faaaaar
FACTS!!
Lmao
I am a hardline pro women's choice. Nothing can change my mind on this....
amen
Women don't get the rite to mrdr
which female do you support though? the older one or the younger one in the womb? maybe even two younger ones in the womb
@@BwanaJesuasifiwe the mother, bc she has a life. you can’t say the same for a zygote/embryo. esp since they don’t have enough brain function to feel pain, emotion, or empathy
@@babs_babs so Fetus you support? Since it has all the above
I love how respectful both sides were!!!
the pastor guy was really cool. he didnt bring up religion, he brought the constitution to the table.
deborah a but he’s still a male and so he has no say in what a woman does with her body
phantom diaries the man absolutely needs a say. it’s not just the woman that makes up the baby. Half of that baby is made up of the man. It’s called sperm. Go back to middle school and take a sex Ed class.
@@Noah-rq3xt I agree with you. However, the fetus has its own body. And secondly, this also means that men have no right to force abortion on women.
Unfortunately, polarization on this issue has caused pro-choice advocates to fight against legislation that would protect women from forced abortions. And men who are pro-abortion are praised...
@@Noah-rq3xt It takes two to conceive a child.
@@Noah-rq3xt I noticed u have been going around commenting ur thoughts upon this topic and u always seem to be aggressive but I think u didn't even bother watching the video to find middle ground.
Jolene’s little brother watching this: 👁👄👁
Cringe
@@usurper1091 wut?
Exulansis look at your profile pic bro
@@will-iv8yq I have the same profile pic as him 😔
@@will-iv8yq I don't know what you're trying to say, anime is cringe or just kaneki ken?
It’s astounding how respectful this conversation is.
Yep. As respectful as a flag
why does no one talk about how traumatizing and possibly deathly labor is. i wish having a kid was easier and i’d be more inclined.
I eidh abortion was banned
during means jenna
when timmerie said “i’m sorry u went through that experience” i thought that was so sweet. even though they have different views, i loved that she was still respectful
And dis is exactly wat we want in dis world. Diff views but respecting each other. World wud be so diff.
But is it still respectful and more importantly honest? If I hit you on the back of the head with a stick really hard, and then turn to you apologizing with tears. Only to hit you, again and again, day after day, with a tearful apology every time. Are those apologies really sincere or heartfelt?
That the basis of what was said.
Hey, I’m sorry u went through that experience. But I'm going to continue supporting things that will force you to repeat that terrible experience, and probably make it worse.
Manuel Fraire you will never see eye to eye with any pro-lifers if you cannot see the basic fact that in the study of embryology, life being at conception and the zygote, at that point, meets all 4 criteria of life, including the fact that it has its own unique DNA unlike any other on this planet. Life is infinitely invaluable.
@@nikolaijones9543 you will not understand bodily autonomy and the importance of it. Also your talking points are FACTUALLY FALSE. At that point a zygote does NOT meet the 4 criteria for life.
The 2nd criteria for life states that an organism can extract energy independently from the surrounding and use to convert this energy tu sustain itself. A zygote can not do this INDEPENDENTLY.
The 3rd states that an organism can sense changes in it's surrounding. At the initial state of conception. It does NOT have a nervous system. Without it, it can not sense changes.
But if you want to go that far back. Technically life starts at a sperm and eggs... You should be banning self pleasure as well.
My issue with so-called "pro lifers" is that they should really be called pro birther. Because, once that child is born. They could care less. Right leaning people don't want to support health care or food stamps for people who need them...
If pro lifers were as honest with themselves as the claim to be about the importance of life. Then the entire US foster care system and orphanages would not be overrun with kids that need help... And that is an undisputed verifiable FACT.
Your point about the begining of life is still up for debate.
@@nikolaijones9543 you can't say you honestly care about life and at the same time support politicians who push legislation to remove assistance from this kids you are "trying" to save. That's just plain being dishonest and disingenuous.
i’m so confused. pro choice doesn’t mean u think abortion is good. it means u believe in the right to chose if u want to or not
Facts! Yes!
It’s funny that the baby gets punished for your actions. And we do understand that just because you support murder doesn’t mean like it.
That’s just like saying I don’t think slavery is right and I wouldn’t have a slave but u should have a choice if u want to or not
I am pro life but I see your reasoning
It’s complicated, I label myself as pro-life BUT
As a libertarian I believe that abortion shouldn’t be illegal.
As a conservative I believe that abortion should NOT be funded by the government. At all.
And as a Christian I believe that we have an individual responsibility to help vulnerable people in our community, find every possible alternative to abortion, and promote the absolute value of every single human life from conception ❤️
I'm so glad they were all able to have this conversation in a respectful and civil manner so that I could pay attention and learn something new.
Here to seek some clarifications:
I wonder what is the actual success rate of adoption for unwanted babies. How often they are returned? And if there’s any mental health assessment on this group of demographic. I’ve heard pretty bad stories of children in foster care, and knowing that alone would make me think that terminating a child might be better than to give it a life in foster care. So enlighten me.
Also, I wonder if this is worthwhile for red states to fall out with the majority of the tech workforce, which are mostly liberals and has been major investors into economies of red states like Ohio, Texas, and Florida. Not to mention falling out with big economical centers like California and East Coast
Adopted at birth, have a full time job. No kids. Pro life
First off, there are far more hopeful parents waiting to adopt than there are kids available for adoption. So something seems to be working there.
Now the foster system needs quite a bit of reform for various reasons, but one also needs to understand how the whole process of the foster system works.
In most cases the foster system is primarily used as a housing option for kids in hopes of returning them to their biological parents who may be facing other issues such as drug abuse for example. After a set amount of time or so many failed attempts from the parents to get things done (assuming they wish to have their kids returned) the kids are then placed for adoption.
Issues that do arise where the foster system needs reforming is issues that lie mostly with CPS themselves usually. How they conduct welfare investigations, who they approve as a foster family, etc.
People worry about saving babies but nobody cares about the babies that are already born and have no food smh. Nobody cared when children are getting raped in the vatican but they support religion smh Thers is literally no sound reasoning for anti abortion. This is just government agenda to keep the world in chaos and divide so nobody has the time to do anything about the real injustices in this world.
Lets worry about unborn babies instead smh
@@sideridely not everyone is as fortunate as you are
So, the foster system is different than the adoption system. Kids who are given up for adoption are adopted (especially infants). The foster system is temporary and is for kids who (might) go back to their parents. It's also for kids who are to be adopted, but these cases are usually only for teenagers (children who, unfortunately, most people don't want to adopt).
As for myself, my twin sister and I were both adopted as infants and we both turned out fine. We both went to university, we both have stable jobs, and we both have our own families now. I also never cared to meet my biological family. Not out of resentment, but just because I see my adopted parents as my real parents. DNA doesn't really matter to me when it comes to family. My sister, on the other hand, did try to find our biological family, but when they showed no interest in starting a relationship, she just let it be and respected their wishes. Other than that, as far as I know, there's way more stable families who want to adopt infants than there are infants available for adoption.
“Pro choice does not specifically mean pro abortion...” -Pete Buttigieg
I am anti-abortion and pro-choice. Abortion is a horrible procedure that few women actually want, and if they do get one, many are traumatized/regret it years after. I’d personally never get one. But that doesn’t nullify the fact that in many cases it is absolutely necessary in a society with rape, incest, medical issues, poor healthcare, little access to birth control (in some areas), failed birth control, poverty, overpopulation, and a horrible foster care system. It’s just one of those things that is a necessary evil. Like one lady mentioned in this video, abortion wouldn’t exist in an ideal world.
@@huh5007 I actually feel like I'm sort of in this position as well. This is honestly a situation that I don't have a black and white opinion of. It completely varies depending on personal circumstance, in my personal and humble opinion. It was really great to see this conversation being discussed in such a mature and respectful way.
Pete 2020
Wannabe Fairy exactly. We need more people who feel that way and speak up about it, because everyone sees it as this binary when there are a lot of shades of gray.
Unkown Name niggas quoting Buttigieg that’s crazy lmao
I love how despite their different opinions everyone for the most part stayed really respectful and kind to each other. Both of the sides make points but the best part is how they could voice their opinions and not attack each other for it ❤️
alexiaa t That is the exact reason why I love this series SO much! I wish they did uncut versions though. I want to hear more!
Yes!! 100%
Exactly!
Definitely. While people don’t need to agree on everything, it’s good to stay kind. Not everyone you disagree with is a terrible person. Sometimes we as humans forget that.
That's why I can't stand those people that say don't talk about politics or it's not okay. No we can talk about politics people just need to be understanding and respectful of other people's opinions. This show show of how to do it in a civic way.
Abortion should b the backup option or plan b. If couples require themselves to use condoms and other forms of birth control they can have safe sex without worrying about pregnancy occuring. The reason the women gets pregnant is because the sperm wasn't blocked off.
They're all very respectful, this was such a nice video.
Love this civil conversation between two viewpoints
This is one of the most respectful “debates” I’ve seen on here. No one shaded each other and I’m surprised. I figured this would be one of the most heated episodes. Interesting...
soundsliketara that one girl compared abortion to beating an animal to death. That was a shady guilt trip that simply wasn't true.
@@scarlettrichards1787 Kinda is though
TheQueenOf_Ships I would argue with you but you’ve already shown me your intellectual capacity, so I doubt I could get anything through your thick skull.
@@scarlettrichards1787I feel the same way about you, if you actually took the time to research how abortion works you'd know it's just as gruesome, if not more, as beating an animal to death. And the sad thing is nowadays animal life is more important than our own. It's really sad.
TheQueenOf_Ships I have watched it. I’ve also watched surgeries. It’s a medical procedure. I’m not the uneducated one here.
I love how in this episode they had more speaking time. It felt like they couldn’t completely talk their minds in other episodes because of the time limit.
I think these people had their thoughts more together and also didnt talk over each other as much as they do in other episodes.
not the time limit...editing and cuts
Love this!! A great sensible conversation. No arguing just agreeing to disagree... Brilliant
I loved how rational this conversation was!
I am pro-choice, but I respect Timmerie so much. She is so gentle and understanding.
Katarina Kocic me too, she’s so nice and is respectful of other people’s options, love her
Same. She was just so nice
Me too ♡
SAME!!!
PRO-CHOICE
I'm Pro-life was Liz was great!
This is the most chilled out and respectful group of individuals I've seen on middle ground haha
Yes indeedy
Anønymøus Urie yesss!!
Good For you😘😘
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11:23 we are all clumps of cells 🤨
Still are but there’s a clear medical difference between terminating gestation and homicidal causes of death
common denominator shocked you?!?!
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@@AMC2283 common denominator shocked you?!?!
(12)..
I absolutely loved timmerie she has such a kind, caring way about her. her empathy reached out to all those women with trauma from past abortions/miscarriages. she also really helped me to open my mind. I think as people we get too caught up in lables or boxes that we deny ourselves experiences based on what we think it’ll be like. I think the same goes for these topics where people claim they are “pro-life” or “pro-choice”, even other episodes like the liberals debating against the conservatives, although we identify with these boxes we are not these things. whenever I thought of someone as “pro-life” my mind would instantly go to all the estranged women and protesters outside of the planned parenthood by my house that would be shouting vulgar sayings to women going in for abortions. they’d carry around giant picket signs to shame the women with gross images. Timmerie is like a glass of refreshing water. She reminds me that I shouldn’t be judging people based off what I perceive them to be, or what society has told me. we are all one and different at the same time. Let this episode be a reminder to keep you mind open, so we can talk create and learn together.
Hhb
it’s actually very brave of these women to share their own abortion stories, opening themselves up to criticism and hate. abortion is such a private and emotional and traumatic thing and i’m really impressed.
edit: let me clarify since some people are completely misunderstanding what i said. i never said abortions themselves were brave, i said sharing their stories is brave, which is proven by all the hate in this reply thread, and the other comments.
i am pro choice, but not pro abortion. i’ve never met anyone who WANTS an abortion, and is excited for it.
Are you foreal have you not been to a pro choice rally
Abortion is a huge subject and people on the media are praised for having an abortion
In a world full of liberals how is it impressive? They are not brave. They are not special. They are victims to a lie. People go get abortions “for fun” if it was such a “traumatic thing” why is the pro choice rally so, happy?
@@cathiefaith1434 facts
@@cathiefaith1434 I don't entirely agree with you. The pro-life and pro-choice sides are equally matched, and I imagine that both pro-choice and pro-life people clicked on this video to see how their own views were represented. These women are opening themselves up to criticism from people who don't agree with abortion, and there are likely people on both sides of the argument who might go into extremes about their beliefs. The tattooed woman expressed some regret at her actions as well, and she made it clear that she was forced to have this abortion for reasons related to her financial and domestic situations. She certainly didn't get the abortion "for fun."
Why do people always assume no birth control was used? People can get pregnant even while protected
Pregnancies while on birth control are nearly 0 percent. 99.7 percent of the time birth control work as intended.
It is unlikely thou
Well if you get pregnant using proper birth control that child is meant to be
@@leoza8901 my sisters biggest fear was it to get pregnant. So she take birth contoll pills every day and allways had sex with a condom. When she forgott a pill she dont wants to have sex. But she get pregnant. It was unbelivebal for her and she first wonder why she gets bigger and bigger. Because she had her period. Then the doctor said she has 2 uterus and birth controll doesnt work then
@@thepaperclipcolossus_3515 yup veryyyyyy unlikely
As a public health practioner, i see how sex education is mandatory. When you think sex-ed, we think contraceptives, abstinence, STDs, etc which yes is useful information but when people aren't educated enough about conception, they'll say things like "cluster of cells" to describe prenatal development. Which really is unfortunate.
Doll doll doll.. (Back and forth)
I think in reality using 'cluster of cells' is not totally wrong. Blastocysts are a cluster of dividing cells that is within the early stages of prenatal development. Not everybody is familiar with these terms. These terms are also important as they acknowledge that within a medical standpoint, people can believe these early stages are similar to other groups such as tumours and is not really a human being until a certain point is reached. But that's where the discussion is, at which point is it a human being.
@[HAPPYDUST] what's your opinion on high school and college students learning chemistry?
i think this was a great example of civility. i definitely learned that no matter the issues it is possible to be civil and have emapathy for the opposing side. because of this they had an amazing conversation that focused on bringing the issues to light rather than coming out as the 'winner'.
Why is this more respectful than the meat eaters vs vegans?
Lil' Booper I don’t hate vegans, and I’m a meat eater. Well I eat veggies too.
Because meat eater arguments are unrealistic and base on their opinion or feelings. which having their own opinion is not wrong, it just that is not connecting to their values and finding poor excuse.
In my opinion.
Because people value annimals more than humans. Sadly.
@m sharp ok incel
Erdoğan Keleş ummmmmmm ok
0:38 that creepy chuckle and smile they always give each other before the passive aggressive debate
lmao fr
Lmao yes!!! Always!!
Highkey terrifying 😂😂
PlushieBlushie this was totally respectful tho
LMAO welcome to 21st century dishonest honesty
Really enjoyed this, Natalie was a hit👌🏿
I love this video. I'm very strongly pro choice. But, I do understand the other side. Humans are complex creatures and I really think these conversations should be more widespread and less taboo. Timerlee (think that was her name) is someone who, although I may disagree with at points, I 100% respect in her opinion. At the end of the day we're all humans, we're all different, but we're all the same in so many ways. Just gotta love and empathize.
The lady in pink seems like she is the most sensitive person in the world and can cry even when a pencil falls and the lead breaks.
She’s such a sweetheart
aShura you’re just saying that because she’s republican
Freeland49er why would you think that?
@@BigBlackDad Hahahahaha......I just feel she is a very sensitive woman.
@@angel.636 No reason, it was meant to be a joke.
It's funny how you can look at them and know who is pro-life and who is pro-choice
That’s sad lol
Why and how?
@@DomnulDarius just a funny observation
@@DomnulDarius pro life people are more attractive
@@tuhimerameraa1 no
Great, respectful conversation.
Tee playeoom light
Education is the best thing for prevention next to abstinence
she really compared carrying a baby in ur body to a pet in a backyard lmao
Ikr
Thank you! I had an abortion, 2 kids 4 years later and then another abortion a few months ago. The MAIN reason I don’t want to be pregnant again is because IT IS TOUGH ON THE BODY! I had a hard time being pregnant with a 1 year old, if I kept my last pregnancy with a 2 year old and a 3month old I definitely would’ve went insane. I would rather adopt or wait until my kids are older
@@JustSheaShea that's nice and all but don't start treating abortion like some sick way of birth control
@@yosoy8115 that's not the point, dumbass. She could've wanted to have the children, but was advised not to due to health issues. What would her actual living children do if their mother died? You can't judge abortions on the surface -- there's details and stories to each case, it's no different to any other surgery or medical procedure.
Yo Soy who tf has money for that? I don’t even use plan b as birth control.
I use an all natural birth control that works for both men and women. Neem. I get the supercritical extract but I heard the regular neem pills work as well.
Those stools they sit on look so uncomfortable.
They are. I can confirm (I'm the stool)
fr tho
this comment is so random like all the other comments are about the video but this one is about the stool lol
someone finally said it
Thanks for this non political comment my guy
This has become so much more relevant
I am glad that there was not an automatic degeneration to an emotional response, which would then sacrifice the respect of the individuals, and destroy any chance for logical discussion. I have family members who act in this way, and its abhorrent. I appreciate your abilities to respect each other's viewpoints, and allowing each side to respond. The world can become a better place if we foster this kind of discussion.
i’m pro choice & i really thought the opposite side was well spoken and i appreciate nobody talking over one another
I’m also pro-choice, and thought a peaceful debate was nice, however I didn’t agree with anything the opposite side said, at all, I thought hearing different opinions is nice
@@lenapaschoal1593 Hi I'm Pro-Life and boi do I love how peaceful the comments are 😊🙎♀
Shin Bot it’s a fetus...
@@rickygee1233 Sorry but it's a undisputed biological scientific fact that life begins at conception
@Shin Bot It's a personal opinion and they have a right to say they didn't necessarily agree with the pro-life side and that's okay.
I am proud of both sides of this debate that they weren't rude to each other at all. I'm actually a tad surprised that they actually had an honest conversation.
Grownups using bounce houses risks not telling the ages apart
This is one of the best debates I've seen
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I like how there was more speaking time. Honestly, if you guys wanted to put out a 45 minute video with one or two "break times" for ads, I definitely watch it AND the ads. Just an idea
queen_ nayerie agreed
Once a 2 month vid maybe, the shorter 12 min vids should remain
Same
People do not know about planned parenthood organization, far more than.
Same. I feel like people say that about these episodes a lot. The issue is that Jubilee wants to produce videos that get good stats, and you don't get as good of stats when people don't watch more than one in a single sitting or leave halfway through :/
They're all so respectful and calm. This is how you have a discussion!
The women in pink dress and the lady with blonde curls . Really showed that way of two sides come together and not throw punches at eachother. They both were really open and ready to hear the other side . The real problem is we don’t have as much help as the government says we do . We should have a lot of options especially for men . Understand that many times. People need reassurance and stability to bring a child into this world . If someone is willing or not to have the child I think they shouldn’t be forced to give birth
I thought this was going to be a really messy debate but it turned out to be the most understanding and mature argument I’ve ever seen
This was extremely civil. All debates and conversations should be like this. Humans are humans and we need to understand each other.
Edit: Some of y’all coming at me making assumptions that I’m not pro-life. Well, I am. It’s still valid to understand ideologies that you don’t agree with to educate yourself further. *Im talking to all the aggressive pro-life people down there*
AMEN
Should but won't unfortunately. Humanity is beyond help at this point
That’s why I love a lot of these Jubilee videos. The people are surprisingly open minded, and you can tell they came there to have a conversation and not a debate.
We live in a society
To be devils advocate I do believe it’s someone’s right to be spirited and heated, but as long as you don’t disrespect the other side.
This video: Exists.
Erin: ThAtS NoT VeGaN?!
LMFAO
Pro-life vs Pro-choice vs Cannibal vs Vegan
😂😂😂
Yes
I canttttt😂😂😂
There are so many women who don’t regret their abortion. We should acknowledge that many people are grateful for abortion, relieved or could even consider it a life saving option for them.
Pregnancy prevention is not equal because other than condoms, women bare the burden of birth control which does not always agree with our bodies or is not always effective. I’m glad this was spoken about.
it doesnt matter if they dont regret having an abortion or not its the killing of a baby either way.
Yeah, 99% of woman found after 5 years abortion was the best choice for them :)
@Humanity Galatica That’s you’re personal opinion.
@Humanity Galatica Thinking you deserve to make a decision for another person's body and health is wrong, 100%.
@Humanity Galatica You literally are doing that same thing you dense soul. And morals are self explanatory. It's morally wrong to force and punish women into things affecting their bodies, health and lives.
Watching this after what has just happened hurts.
You saw thecsaw the saw the draw.. Queen zo hunt lights