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Being a tomboy is way different than gender Identity
Girl thank you being a tomboy does not mean “ omg maybe I should’ve been a boy” no ok it just means you like things boys like
gullippa9 ah yes because i’m a tomboy that means that i’m a man
@@beee8720 I was a tomboy when I was a child. I hated skirts, never liked them. Felt itchy and unstylish on me. I wore shorts and long pants all the time, nothing pink. But I never wanted to be a boy. I just think boy clothing suits me better.
facts
Periodt
omg the trans woman looked so sad when they said she was a 100% male :(
yeah but at the same time... is it really a healthy and stable way to live than having your entire sense of self depending on thoughts and words of others...? One's existence should not dependent on how other perceive them. Although i can understand it hurts for her, but i think it gives rise to an important and interesting subject in the transgender community.
@A M. i can't like this more because the like button does not allow me
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@A M. Absolutely agree with everything you said!!!
@@gumi_days4384 Yes, I often say the trans community has a recipe for low self worth on their hands because they seek the validation of others which is something in life we should never do. Self love teaches you to seek validation from within. But trans people live for “you are so valid 🥰” comments, and constant affirmation through other means. It’s a very unstable situation when your whole identity relies on the validation you receive from the general public. I don’t mean this in a hateful way, it’s just something I’ve noticed.
I love these!! But I wish youtube didn't require so much self-censoring because I would've liked to see them get a little deeper. You could tell they were ready to as well.
what do you mean self censoring? who self censored?
Nailed it. Men being predators is the common thread on the bathroom debate
They should’ve included men on the traditional side, missing the male perspective on this leaves this unbalanced for me.
Totally agree
Tori Collins yes because honesty men will speak their mind more
Tori Collins thanks for telling me, now I'm definitely not going to watch
@@coreyrush8894 and we are not?
Reham _ I’m assuming that we means women?
By the way. If y’all didn’t know, transgender is not a 3rd gender
PERIODT👏👏👏👏👏
Tessa Comfort I never said I disagreed with any of that so why r u going at me, I was making it clear because ppl in the comments were saying there’s only 2 genders and trans isn’t real
@@bellarodriguez3601 tessa wasn't going at u, Tessa was replying to someone who commented under ur comment so thats why it seems Tessa is replying to u
There’s only 2 genders trans is just hopping from one to another
Excuse me I am heavily offended and you have offended my fellow tower brothers (Yes we identify as towers)
If I say "I am a trans tomboy" (Which is true), the entire argument falls apart. Gender does not equal gender expression.
Im a trans boy, but I like wearing dresses sometimes. What now??
gender is only sex stereotypes that u internalized.
Gender identity is a 2000's thing, it was never a thing in the past
That’s confusing like you identify as female but ur a tomboy
@@piggybank2906 Well yes it existed, but it was never any where NEAR as big a thing as it is today, which is why I lose faith in this generation that we have normalised it.
It’s wild seeing people get guilted/peer pressured into stepping forward when you can tell they didn’t initially intend to.
It might be better if they had to make the decision anonymously and then they just showed up with the others to discuss
Parents of LGBT+ kids vs traditional parents
Caitlin B or supportive parents of trans kids vs unsupportive parents of trans kids (or lgbt kids in general)
I was just going to write this...geesh. Lol
Or Supportive Parents vs Traditional Parents, cause traditional parents may have lgbt kids
Yeeees
Jesss!
Playin it reeeal safe with no straight guys...
Couldn't agree with you anymore
@taЊa N. That how you feel about something doesnt matter because science. Facts over feelings.
Until I see "attack helicopter" as a gender anyway.
@taЊa N. he means that there are no straight males in the conversation. Therefore there is no balance to thoss arguments
@Big Hero B we mean biological males
true dude like wtf bring some guys on
Men are men, women are women.
I don’t think anyone disagrees with that lol
trans men are men and trans women are women!
(not really though) @@nataliekhanyola5669
@@mackenziet550yes really though
@@eeng17so what is a woman than? Like one that actually has a V that's capable of pushing out a child
love how supportive people were to all the perspectives and views shared : )
If there was at least one straight man , this would be entirely different
Salim Sadoune I cant tell if your trying to say straight men are more transphobic or something or if your comment is accidentally sarcastic.
@@noahd.4551 I think its that a guy would ask the uncomfortable questions we came here for. And not "transphobic" just less likely to accept the messy stuff without sufficient explanation.
@i wonder if you're reading this I'm sorry that that's your experience, I've actually found men to often be a lot more open-minded and kind than how you're describing them to be.
There is a different because strait and “traditional”
straight, heterosexual, that's different from being"traditional" or "cis"...
the worst thing is listening to a conversation you cannot talk in..
Right
Ikr 😞
Omg this! Like i would love to work on set, the amount of soundbytes i would give..unprofessional 😂
Exactly
Hahaha true!
That’s how I feel as a dude. I actually love wearing feminine clothes like skirts and cute underwear and doing makeup and hair. But I know I’m a dude, I have a strong and passionate personality, love to take charge, be physically active and I’m still sexually attracted to women and have absolutely no desire to be in a woman’s bathroom. Unfortunately for me though, femboys are much more taboo than tomboys and there’s almost no way I can embrace these interests without being labeled trans or gay. People seem to think the two are inseparable but they’re really not. Gender norms and standards are really the problem.
Genders not a social norm
@@kinggkongg9694 gender is a social construct. You are confusing gender with sex. Sex is biological.
@@sakshinaresh8114 No it’s not Your confusing fantasy land with reality. You can’t change your gender anymore than you can change your age
You are just being you. In my opinion we are all in spectrum; even we are physically male or female, we all possess in a degree qualities, personalities and characteristics of both genders. I am a female, but growing up i was a tomboy, now that I am older I realized that I have a lot of male characters like being firm, frank, independent, practical and passionate. Physically I am naturally muscular, even though I exercise very little. I could have been confused, but I know I am a girl and only been attracted to men
Stop that and go to the gym mf
Such a respectful conversation. Even though some of the terms weren't quite accurate, still it was nice to see people on opposite sides still agreeing on most things.
Sorry people can't keep up with the nonsense you people make up every single day
Accurate according to who exactly?
U dropped this 🧠
Goon
I get really pissed off when they change from their original seats.
Or when they sit together rather than on their respective side
Thank god someone said it.
But that's the beauty.. they get mixed up by the end... Signifies them opening up
Hello Fellow Refugees it still don’t feel right
Facts 💯
Doesn’t it frustrate you when you can’t interfeen into a conversation
Ana Escobar so fuckin much
Literally!!!! when homegirl was associating gender with DNA and chromosomes and being either “male or a woman” I just…. sigh.
Intervene*
not being an asshole just making sure its there because that sounds like something I would type.
@@karenruiz1799 she was right tho
@@Smyle001 nah.
Girl no, I am pretty tomboy and feel no pressure at all to transition FTM lol
Same, im a very girly femboy, and it doesnt pressure me into transition MTF, i dont want to change a single bit about my body, i just have interests that are rather typically feminine and crossdressing. I know my gender from my pants 💀💀
It's so hard, cuz the most of cis people can't even imagine what trans people are going through...
There's no need to imagine what others are going through. The objective reality is that they are not that which they claim to be, and still-- they insist that we perceive them as they perceive themselves, and deny objective reality.
When the trans-woman said “I didn’t start transitioning until I was 32”, I got extremely confused bc I thought she was like 25😂
Same she looks so young
Yorrie Minks he*
Thanos forgot about s there bud. It’s she
@ Intentionally deriding someone is a pretty shitty thing to do and I think you ought to reconsider how much calling someone 'he' really means to you before making snide remarks next time. It's not your life, don't live it for them, bud.
Yay my wig went AWAY!
"you're gonna be a boy or a girl"
intersex people:👁👄👁
YES THEY'RE STILL VALID TOO!!
SOMEONE HAD TO SAY IT 👏👏
Periodt.
Nonbinanry people:👁👄👁
@@presidentpoverty2640 intersex is biological, they are born that way
I don’t care how the adult feels in this, the bathroom situation. The childs feelings and safety comes first
The children's feelings on the matter will range from neutral to positive if they are raised in a safe environment to feel comfortable with having other people around in public bathrooms, and their safety is not compromised by trans people being allowed into the bathrooms that conform to their gender identity: Trans people being banned from bathrooms has never prevented men from either raping women or sexually assaulting children.
@@GrahamChapman Kick Rocks Groomer. Only 2 genders-- Male and Female. Your imagination, and subjective sense of self doesn't invalidate objective reality. If it did, everyone would be rich, happy and healthy too.
Objective biological realities are not up for debate.
If the validity of your identity is predicated on the notion that all of society must ignore objective biological realities, then your identity is not valid. Straight up... It's as simple as that.
Intersex is a disorder, not another sex invalidating the dichotomy of the binary of all mammalian species, and they only EVER present with male and female genitalia.
Gender refers to the sex assigned at birth, and the social aspects of being male or female, respectively. Male and female are biological categories, which are fixed and permanent.
TOO Many people are inappropriately conflating the variability of personality traits and temperament (Neither of which is gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys) with gender as though they're synonymous, and they are not
happy= joyful
calm= serenity
Back in my day
How you dress wasn’t your gender identity
there’s a difference between being cisgender and being transphobic
(edit: many people are taking this as me defending the cis people; i’m not, i’m saying the title is misleading since all the cis people in the video were transphobic, when in reality a large amount of cis people are trans allies)
Yes
This needs more likes
💅💅💅♥️
yes
the cis people were just ignorant
Also there a different between educated and trump supporters. (By trump supporters I mean people who do not care about being educated, having a conversation, anything they think they are right and that’s what it will be forever)
Kinda sad that we only see "traditional" women perspectives. Men wouldve been interesting as well.
Anie To I think they get volunteers
They dont want our opinions trust me that's what these freaks call manplaining.
I agreed
@@getoffmygrass4857 mansplaining*
King Jinzo freaks? i think you’re the freak. also, do you live in 1925 by chance?
Transgender vs Transracial now that's a topic I'd love to see
Transformers v transgenders would be fun too
@@zachman5150 haha
I would love to see a bi sexual vs pan sexual discussion and seeing where people see the difference and the similarities people see in there sister sexualities
There's not any discussion to do tho. Its very clear that Bi and Pan people validate each other's labels
One is real, one is made up idiocy. Discussion over.
@@catisreckless4647 pan means you would fancy male, female or trans.
@@DarkAngel2512 Pan means you desperately seek attention and feel the need to "stand out". Nothing more.
@@DarkAngel2512 Bi means that as well, there is no difference except the words
"there are only two genders"
cis girls: *sit down*
rory: baby i'm not even here
IM A HALLUCINATION
they’re non binary tho? it’s not a gender...
@@fawnxx.9231 It is a gender tho
@@Eeveeplayscookierun no.. the entire point of being non binary is not falling into gender roles/rules or perception. it’s literally just not identifying with anything which doesn’t make it a gender.
@@fawnxx.9231 the whole point is that gender is a spectrum. if you don't see non binary as a gender then male and female aren't genders either. if you see non binary as a gender then there are multiple genders. non binary is not a BINARY gender and it most certainly IS NOT the third gender, as many people call it, but if you tell an enby what their gender is, they won't tell you "i don't have one" they'll tell you '"i am nonbinary"
People are actually mixing up having a masculine/feminine sense of style and gender-
ikr
There is no masculine or feminine sense of style
Exactly.
@@persona7506 yes there is. Masculine people dress practical, feminine people dress flamboyantly/impractically
@@christopherreichle6670 no , i disagree , even feminine people dess practicall , you can be feminie in anything if you know how or are feminine enough
I really enjoyed this, such a respectful conversation.
The fact that biologically born men and women have now been labeled “cis” pisses me off. Drop the terms.
fr....im in a group of friends where their all lgbtq and one trans female to male and the trans always rips on me for being "cishet"...also he thinks you cant be racist to white people. ignorance infuriates me on both sides
This video got messed up because no one actually made the distinction between sex and gender.
that's what i was gonna say. the cis were definitely talking about sex while gender in a whole different world. you can definitely be born a female, embrace it but still act androginous.
YES!
Jurnee Jurn it's the same thing, like man and male
Lol. Same thing
Mason Officially gender and sex are actually not the same thing. if they were, transgender people wouldn’t exist, yknow?
People often confuse genders with personalities.
Could you please explain me the difference?
Your personality is how you act and how you feel about different things or actions. Your gender is associated with reproduction. There are four genders. The two main genders (male and female) are normal. But there can be a mutation that can give you both male and female parts, or no male or female parts at all. No offence to anybody but “genders” like trans, fluid, gay and spirited are not real genders and are associated with how you feel about yourself and other people.
Gay is not a gender. It's an orientation. Gay man identify as man but they are attracted to men.
But I can agree gender it's not an entire personality on its own, because you're way more than your part of the spectrum or your expression... Just like, (maybe a bad example) if you're vegan that's ok, that's part of who you are/want to be, but being the "stereotypical vegan" all the time is not your whole personality, you're a unique human being not only based on one characteristic.
Edit: grammar mistakes
you’re confusing gender and sex
exaactly because we all know gender is umm what you sortaa... you know feel somehow, that's right.
Who cares if you’re scared of being judged. Everyone in life is judged. It’s part of growing up! Get over it!
True
The first question is literally the only question that matters. What happened to this world? The 3 ppl who didn't sit down for the first question need help. THERE ARE ONLY TWO GENDERS
"I didn't start transitioning until I was 32." Girl, you have a youthful glow I didn't think you were over 25
@@sushmoyislam2858 no*
honestly thought she was in her REALLY early 20's
Sushmoy Islam it’s a girl
Ahhaahahahahahahajajahajaajjaajajahajajajahahajajahahahahahahahaha😂😂😂😂
@@ringthebell5221 ??
before this video they should’ve went over the difference between gender expression, biological sex, and clothing preference :/
and that was the comment that i was looking for. thank u! after this video it just popped in my head who sexual education is so important! I learned those concepts in school!!
jayysus fr
is your profile picture george with no brim i-
this makes your comment even better
@@endcities yesss george with no brim B)
gender is the same as sex but now when you get into gender/sex roles those can be switched around and changed because those were set up by society but biology wasn't
I think its rude to have an opinion of someone's lifestyle when its not hurting anyone. Just let people be.
I think it's rude to act like because you have an opinion that others need to perceive you as you perceive yourself, it creates an obligation for others to deny objective reality in favor of your fantasy, and ex. indulge use of your preferred pronouns-- because that's the height of narcissism.
@@zachman5150 Trying to be understood with compassion and empathy from others who are not on the same page is not the embodiment of narcissism. It's a direct reflection of trauma from being ostracized by society or family for being perceived as unconventional or untraditional. Culture is inherently dogmatic with an agenda of what's considered normal and what's not.
@@BlairyBlair222 Insisting that other perceive you as you perceive yourself, and affirm your claims of being something other than what you are, in defiance of objective reality-- is totally narcissistic
Also, Trans women are still men. They're not trans anything.
They're still the same sex and gender prior to transition, after transition. All they're doing is drastically altering their appearance, and screwing up their natural body chemistry. Still men
@@zachman5150 your responses are very basic and linear. Ignorance is always the easier route to take. Sadly. Merry Christmas.
I’d like to put something to say that as a trans person myself I kind of agree with both sides, I can see where it’s hard to get past or not think about how there are only two biological choices I love and respect these people for sharing their beliefs in a kind and respectful way, I feel that I’m blessed to be in a community of Christians like this even though I myself am not Christian, when it comes to gender I think that we can use biological gender like bookends, as long as your talking about gender and gender identity’s you can only go from one side to the other and the inbetween I think it was makes the spectrum, I think our minds are powerful and beautiful and that if there is a creator it would make more sense for there to be bookends instead of every book being represented, a way of looking at it would be there are so many types of genders and people it’s easier to comprehend when you take the farthest on the left and the farthest on the right and put them next to eachother so you see that everything that could be between these exists
this is unbalanced, a straight male was needed in this discussion
cis* sexual orientation didn't matter in this discussion
ELODI kinda did they probably would have had better discussions then this
Exactly I think the a male view would be more straightforward compared to the female one
@Seth Belfort same but we need both sides to be able to better the world
@Seth Belfort big sad for me
The fact that nobody brought up how sex and gender is different confused me
ikr like the fact that they couldn’t distinguish that difference essentially invalidates the majority of their opinions.
Even the trans people didn't bring it up, like wut?
literally and the difference between clothing preference
IKR
Bc they aren’t
I love how mature this conversation was.
This was surprisingly respectful and at the end of the day shows both sides are more similar than we think and it's mostly only misinformation about the other side's desires that drives us back
Why only women representing "traditional"
Leo Phillips cuz when a guy does it he’s labeled as sexist
@@xnet_cascade6257 Nah the women are sexist too
FORREST GUMP she called men predators. I’ve never met one predator guy in my life and I’m a guy and I’m not a predator! WTF Logic
@@eldangster1616 lmao you've never met some predatory men in your life and your guy?
Shocking lol
Also Logic is knowing anecdotes aren't evidence
also, she didn't say that men were predators. She said that the fear that people are expressing is that men are predators
@FORREST GUMP Pst they are. Reducing women and men to reproductive function is gross.
You can see the pain in her eyes when that cis girl said “I think you are 100% male” 😞
ami it’s a trans girl not a boy actually, so u didn’t know but now you do
@Ashton A her sex is male but her gender is female. sex and gender are two different things and people confuse them a lot. there are 2 sexes but more than 2 genders. sex just means how you were born biologically which is what I think you were trying to say.
She’s biologically male. People, you can’t choose your gender. You’re born with it. Sooner you realize that, the sooner you’ll actually get to enjoy life normally.
ZK Zainvu_HH and also, gender is not biological. Your sex is biological, not gender. Sex is what you have in your pants and your chromosomes (sometimes chromosomes) gender is pronouns, identity, personality, and being
@@dyingrat2439 gender isnt personality. You're either a male and a female. Others have the right to call you by your sex, not by what you identify as.
I'm going to LA for college this year and I would love to work at Jubilee or be a part of this in SOME way because I know for a fact this is where I'm meant to be.
So glad my parents let my sister be a tomboy instead of pushing this stuff on her
that one teen cis girl: you're either born male or a woman
intersex people: am i a joke to you
Well, intersex people have an anomaly, so it doesn't really matter when we talk about the standard. We teach children that human beings are born with 10 fingers ans toes, not that there are people who are born with 9 or 11 or whatever number of fingers or toes, because it is not the standard.
Plus, intersex people present more characteristics from one of the 2 sexes; it is not only a question of chromosome or of genitals, but of general characters.
EXACTLY MY THOUGHTS
Even intersex people are one or the other just with a few mutations
Yes
most of the times it's just a girl with a micropenis or a boy with a very tiny clitoris, plus you can't take the exception for the rule
Upset they didn’t talk about gender dysphoria
yeah but thats a tuff one lmao
And also no one cares
@@guynotincognito6918 um, I'm sorry, what??????
Yeah I really wish they would've done that
mercc they didn’t specifically talk about it
But being trans is gender dysphoria and they had 2 trans ppl there
I think that this is the most heart warming, and non-toxic episode of Middle Ground I have ever seen- And I am all for it- Like- For once I was actually pretty happy with the side I don't really agree with.
...Okay...@@PwandaWanda
@@Ebie_ sorry lmao I was trying to see if my comment would send before because it didn’t let me comment on any video
I thought this was supposed to be a vs video. This looked like a bunch of "women" all agreeing on the same thing.
Damn, I feel like gender and sex both needed to be defined here. Also the lack of a traditional male I think hurt the conversation.
It's the same thing
There isn’t a difference
Splitting the two is just creating some alternate reality. Someone could identify as the 9th planet, a green bean, or a horse by the rational of some of these people. It doesnt make it true regardless.
Reinier Roon
Let me say in advance, facts don’t care about ur feelings. Now, if u r born with XY chromosomes u r a male. That’s the only way to say it; ur sex/gender is male if ur born with those chromosomes. Same concept if ur born female with XX chromosomes. Gender and sex have always been the same thing and they’ve been defined/ determined by which chromosomes u r born with
@@drewsaluk6860 i swear when did we get this confused tho wtf forreal.
This some joke?
do they not know the difference between biological sex, gender expression, and clothing preference?
To be fair, the words gender and sex have been used over the years synonymously so there isn't really a vast difference between the two because they are very interrelated, you can't have one without the other, so gender expression roots from sex anatomy that's why it's hard to seperate the two.
I feel like they need to bring back the gender-bread man it’s an easy way to break it down for the ppl who don’t understand
@@kgabomolele3346 that’s not true, gender is a made up social construct which sits in once brain and identity. Sex is biological and determines certain things as medical care.
@@synnearonsen9963 everything single thing is a social construct, my point is that gender expression roots from sex, its what has inspired many societies worldwide to normalize certain gender roles for example toddler girls do less dangerous activities then toddler boys it's a fact you can do an experiment with nursery school babies and analyze their behavior, there is a nature (sex) that inspires gender expression that's why the two cannot be separated. So I'm not sure what you're confused about, there are two sexes only and this can be objectivsly verifiable
@roxie thank you
Thank you so much my beautiful friends , I am learning that we are not truly who we are because of the instilling of judgment within us since we were very small children and what is happening is that there is an image we hold of ourself as accepted by others so that we are not judged by them and so we have been playing that part of see how perfect I am so that you don’t judge me as something else that I’m not being , and it has caused us to be in judgement of the self non stop always judging every choice we make every thing we do or eat or act on or feel like we are in criticism of ourself so when we fearlessly step out into the world as who we are Inside and let go of the judging and lovingly accept our own self for who we are and how we wanna express ourself in our world then that is so beautiful and adds to the awakening of consciousness within mankind , and truly there is only concern and debate or argument when there is fear and all of the hypothetical situations are always coming from fear and they are not real unless we give the fear the power
They needed to have a football-watching, beer-belching frat boy here.
SWLinPHX i feel like we need one of them in all of these
flashback mary Hunter🇺🇸🍺🦅🎣 is typing...
Rodger🇺🇸🦅🎣🍻🍺🥩🦌🐕🏈🔫🎆 is typing...
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@flashback mary HAHA literally the first person I thought of
I feel like the traditional side held back a bit and was worried about being pc.
Aiesha Mumford - because they weren’t educated on the situation at all
pAtRiCk StAr - I can tell by your comment you don’t know much about it either
Bruh At least they weren't males or else I would sexist
@pAtRiCk StAr Let me just ask you, how can you be so sure of something that you can't relate to, or have researched? I'm non-binary myself and while I might not know the specific science (even though I could easily turn to a psychiatrist or a study to know more) I know that I'm non-binary because I'm not a guy, and I'm not a girl. I get euphoria when someone calls me they and I get anxiety when someone misgenders me a lot. I can understand how you think since people have for ages thought that your biological sex in every case is connected to the gender in your brain but gender dysphoria is real. It's a diagnosis and the only thing that can relieve the symptoms is to transition. You see being transgender isn't just about "today I feel like a girl" or "Today I feel like a boy" because to be transgender and not just someone who likes to dress as the opposite sex, you have to experience gender dysphoria.
@@kujikawathemeekmage3640 I can tell that because you didn't answer patrick star with any evidence that you CLEARLY aren't educated on the subject what so ever, your just as clueless as any trans person.
I was a tomboy in my younger ages but as I’ve gotten older I realise how lovely it is to wear nice things I wasn’t transgender
They conflate gender with personality
@@zachman5150 your conflateing gender and sex
It’s called the “handicapped” restrooms
there's a difference between being tolerated and accepted.
Joyce Cruz Exactly! 👏🏾
Or being accepted or being embraced.....
it is not obligatory to accept, toleration is though.
@@Billy-gr1rx That's what I was saying.
@Jamal BBCLife What I mean.
girl i could not imagine how awful the woman felt when she got told she was "100% male" that would be so triggering for dysphoria
edit: hey if yall come across peiple who are blatantly transphobic; saying stuff like hes a man jn regards to the trans woman, its better to just ignore it. if you're gonna debate do it with those who aren't bigots, its not worth it to interact. ive been doing lgbt discourse for three years, and its just my advice.
@Anastasia Popa oh yeah i completely agree, theres no way to change biology, but the woman couldve definitely worded it better. i was just trying to point out that its a rude thing to say
Exactly, transgender people experience so much dysphoria every day and have to still live with the gender they were born with every time they use the toilet, visit the doctor etc. It’s so sad that even in public where there is no need to bring up biology, they have to be told that. I understand that the woman just expressed her opinion and didn’t want to be rude or offensive and I actually kinda agree with what she said there but it really must have hurt
Facts don't care about your feelings. If you are male but you don't want to be, the truth is that you are still male.
@@jeffreychou3918 They're literally not affecting you at all. Just living their best life. Leave them alone
@@potatoskins6001 How is making people call you whatever you want and say it is pronouns not affecting someone. Chances are he has or will come across someone who says they are "Transgender" and if he does not talk to them with their pronouns they will target him publicly and on the internet.
Men make babies, women have babies. It's really that simple.
Not everyone wants to make and have babies
@@wobble4139 biologically these are the functions of male and female anatomy. Personal preference is one thing, arguing with science is another.....
Exactly, simple. Cannot believe we are having debates about it every day 🤦🏽♀️
@@dondraper3070 are sterile women not women?
@@dardick1213 of course they are...
These traditional people should not be allowed to use their platforms.
Your sex is your anatomy, your gender is who you really are, your personality is how you act, think about that
Yep exactly
You said it perfectly sis 💅
Well what about sexuality , I confuse gender with sexuality .
I mean are transgender men lesbian and transgender women gay ? I do not mean to judge or offend anybody if I did I apologize just I m not educated on these stuff
@@Clementine3107 Lol no They do not consider themselves gay/lesbian. Or at least most of them dont.
the trans woman really looks like a supermodel.
Ikr
Literally her cheekbones need to be strutting down a runway ....
righttttt. i was so shocked when she said she came out at 33. i thought she was like 25 or something and she was beauu
beautiful *
Ikr like she’s so pretty
I absolutely loved this debate the best one so far
I don't know if I'm overthinking things but two of the traditional women definitely hesitated to sit down for the supporting their kids statement and that really hurt to see. That should NOT be something you have to think about.
Also, I noticed that all of the top comments are positive but if you set the filter to newest first the majority of the comments are extremely transphobic.
they should get trans people vs detransitioners
Orca id love to see how that goes
Yes yes yes!!!
Oooo good one!!!
I feel like they’d have the exact ssme feelings
YES
“There are only 2 genders”
*3 people sit down
The nonbinary person: 👁👄👁
I wonder how they felt like they prolly felt a little bit bad
I always knew I was a god/ghost or a piece of bread! It all makes sense now!
Nonbinary doesn't exist....
@Ignatious it's called crying for attention
@@deathtrooper2048 it does-_-
3:30 the issue with that is then you have kids that are confused and sometimes become su1cidal because they don't have that label so they just feel wrong. like they're being a girl/boy wrong
Yes, people with emotional disorders are often confused and distraught.
Cis people commit fewer suicides then trans people
@@Swede1523 By a LOT Less
'there are not that many trans ppl in this world'
girl what
“A male is the provider” tell that to my mother who was the primary income for my family because my father is disabled and could no longer work. My mother is also disabled but is still able to work and drive unlike my father.
that has almost nothing to do with what she said...
I get what you're trying to say but she said "usually", so she doesn't mean men are always the provider.
In a traditional sense, males are typically the providers while females are the caregivers. Of course, these roles are societal so they differ
@weed soup Lots of families have single parent or not parents
In nowdays families the man and the woman are equal but mainly is still based on the traditional family. I know that is frustrating for a lot of feminist and some girls but boys arent all bad and violent we just can handle a little more emotionally and phisically. I know that a lot of women are doing hard things like even born a kid is a hard thing like i ve heard that there is a lot of pain and i respect that and single women that are raising kids that is a respectable thing and i am not saying that i dont belive in equality i am just saying that man are a lot simple and can handle more things day by day and this is why the traditional family is built like that.
when the trans female said “i didn’t start transitioning till i was 32” i was shook cuz she looks 25
She must be a 🔥makeup artist
N koyuncu stop it. It looks 45
pffftt, my ass he looked 25... i'd say like 40-42. He looks like a regular white mom that has an office job.
@@tuuku1706 she*
Meningen med livet I think you mean HE*
There was A LOT of conflation between sex and gender in this discussion which is frustrating because a lot of nuance was missed.
Loved. This one. Thanks Jubilee ❤
When that lady said she perceived the other lady as 100% male my heart broke, I could almost feel her pain through the screen
edit: guys I found the transphobes
YES
MA HEART BROKE
Biologically, she is 100% male. I think that's what she meant, though she should have clarified it, otherwise it's pretty mean.
The question is simple and it can be prove by science. 100% accurate he is a male literally disect him get his DNA.. and he is a man.. It is based on fact not to offend..
They are both 100 percent human thats all that matters!
The Christian woman who comforted the trans woman when speaking about her father made me smile. This is how it’s supposed to be and especially for Christians. Regardless of what you think of someone else’s life choices, you are still meant to give love.
Facts
Most definitely as a Christian we suppose to do everything out of love just like Jesus did himself. Love the person not the sin, css we all sin and fall short of the glory of God we should not judge
I don't understand why Christians think that being trans is against the bible
@@misharobinson1679 in my christian belief God created us in the gender you were born with and full stop it's what it is. He still loves us and everyone but if you do want to be a christian the bible specifically says things that we were called to live and yeah. But maybe someone can share more scriptures if you'd like? For biblical reasons? 😊 but yeah in the end of the day we use the bible and try to be like jesus in our belief because he is the only way to heaven. 😊
@@misharobinson1679 but it is in the bible. 👍👍
This episode was lacking. It’s clear they didn’t want to let them have a full honest conversation because of backlash
"Before I transitioned when I was still"
Me: "Normal"!
Cool. So an 'unscietnfici and quite exlusionary Idea'.
@@loturzelrestaurant No one is saying you can't express yourself as you wish. You can identify as a Klingon if you choose-- BUT, that doesn't mean that others will perceive you as you perceive yourself.
They're the same sex/gender prior to altering their appearance as they are after they do.
"I didn't transition until I was 32"
YOU LOOK 28 WHAT IS THIS WITCHCRAFT HOW OLD ARE YOU REALLY ???
Omg i had the same thought
Kougz it’s because trans women are flawless uwu
She looks 67, I don’t understand why people are saying she looks like an unborn fetus.
Łunnelfa - Have you ever seen a 67 year old?? The hell are you on
@@deletedbecauseofhate-9971 she looks 30
Where tf is that one guy from incel episode that would’ve made this episode crazy lmao
actually there aren't even 2 genders, since women are just the same as children - him propably
derrick
@@ulledienulle8211
He did say that huh 😂. I forgot about that.
@@ulledienulle8211 omg i remember that AHAHA
Exactly why isn’t Derrick here
i was SHOOK when cetine mentioned that she started transitioning at 32. i would’ve thought she was in her 20s😮
I will never understand why people give a fuck about what someone else defines themselves by. Who honestly gives a fuck. You do you.
@Jaycee if you don't mind, can you give me an example of where it's "written into policy and law"? Furthermore, can you give me an example of a situation that would require said law to back someone and not the other in whatever situation you're describing?
"When a girl is raised and she feels like a tomboy, acts like a tomboy, she is now encouraged to think, 'maybe I should've been born a boy.'" sis i would never wear skirts when i was little for the sake of being tomboyish and i can tell you with 100% certainty that i am definitely a cisgender woman
I love how you correctly did the nested quotation (just put the end in the wrong spot), but didn't capitalize or punctuate your response. lol
me too!
Could not even understand what are you trying to say
Same! When she said that I was just like nahhhh
I get what she's saying though. I've definitely met a lot of women who act like a tomboy and think they're a boy because they don't act, "feminine." But then they quickly change their mind about being trans soon after.
I feel like both sides had kind of weak arguments and were afraid of being judged or shot down by the other. Like both sides just kind of went with what the other said
It's also bc Jubilee closely monitors what is said and tells them what they can't say and what ways they can't steer the convo.
@marsjacobvolta mEn LOvE oBjEcTiVe TrUtH
@@pnut3844able how do you even know that?
Well duh. No one wants to be the person that everyone hates. In almost every video there are thousands of comments of people complaining about at least one person who has a different stance on something. These people know that this will go online and they censor their true thoughts because of it.
@@damianlord9340 The thing is that most of these persons who have different stances, are usually on the "wrong" side of thinking that it's just not acceptable. Like in the Men's Rights video, most people were mad at the incel because his views were simply misogynistic, while in the feminist vs non-feminist, many people were complaining about the rad fem that said women are the only victims and men don't know what is to suffer
Everything is easier than self acceptance.
What a crappy Middle Ground. I hate when the discussions are completely based in feelings and there is no science discussed. It's embarrassing
Yep!!
'Roles being intrinsic to the Universe' was discussed in the Racism-Videos of 'Some More News' and in the Gender-VIdeos of 'Forrest Valkai'. Can i have your Opinion on these?
@@loturzelrestaurant Only 2 genders-- Male and Female. Your imagination, and subjective sense of self doesn't invalidate objective reality. If it did, everyone would be rich, happy and healthy too.
Objective biological realities are not up for debate.
If the validity of your identity is predicated on the notion that all of society must ignore objective biological realities, then your identity is not valid. Straight up... It's as simple as that.
Intersex is a disorder, not another sex invalidating the dichotomy of the binary of all mammalian species, and they only EVER present with male and female genitalia.
Gender refers to the sex assigned at birth, and the social aspects of being male or female, respectively. Male and female are biological categories, which are fixed and permanent.
TOO Many people are inappropriately conflating the variability of personality traits and temperament (Neither of which is gender exclusive-- hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys) with gender as though they're synonymous, and they are not
What are you talking about? Psychology and sociology _are_ sciences. And while sex is biological, gender is a social construct and what gender identity a person is of is, in turn, a part of their psychological identity.
@@GrahamChapman Gender is not disconnected from sex.
Man these topics are really risky and every time I click to watch a video I get really scared.
Jess Legati I've been waiting to see someone swing.
Oswaldo Bejarano I’m surprised nobody has
My heartbeat died
Jess Legati that’s because you’re weak and pathetic
that's exactly why they should be had so we can realize that it's possible to have these conversationss without being hateful or unsympathetic to one another.
I hate it when people say unscientific things by starting with "scientifically"
EXACTLY IT PISSES ME OFF SO BAD LIKE I JUST WANNA 🤜👩💼
meanwhile biologist, people who actually study chromosomes, psychologist, sociologist, and anthropologist are sitting there like:
who's gonna tell them sex is a spectrum and gender literally depends on the society. we just happen to live in one that primarily relies on two binary genders. 😬
like a lot of this stuff isn't set in stone so its weird that she tries to be scientific then proceeds to spew something that scientist would disagree with.
@@jae3004 Sex is not a spectrum. Gender is.
And NO, the words are not interchangeable.
@@fahrenheit2101 I mean you can disagree, but it's a fact. Look it up. If sex wasn't a spectrum we would only have XX and XY and people would always have the secondary sex characteristics of those chromosome patterns. A simple google search and a look though a scientific/academic database will show you.
@@jae3004 I did look it up. The sex spectrum is not so much a spectrum and completely unrelated. I even acknowledged the minority that do have gene disorders. This is entirely unrelated to the topic of the video and is not a spectrum in the same way, more like a set of categories. And 99% of people fall into 2: XX and XY.
Edit: Nevermind I acknowledged that in a separate comment.
I’ve listened to hundreds of pro trans arguments and have still yet to hear one that’s logical
Their ideology and narrative is entirely incoherent nonsense
???
“Well you were 6 pounds when you were born so why are you 170 now? You’re still 6 pounds to me.”
That's the sort of comment that seems designed to prove one's IQ to be dwarfed by their shoe size
Negative IQ
@@zachman5150 r/wooooosh
Flat earthers vs scientist PLEASE
Mercedes Mendoza oh god 😂
No need to feed the trolls
HAH YES
That would be hilarious XD
YES 😂
*Speaker* : There are only 2 genders?
*Me* : This Gonna be GoOoood
FritOnDuo GMC 😂
Omg, this was just an anxiety trip. Haha
here we go again
literallyyyyy. personally i do think that there are only 2 genders and you can be a male trans into a female or the other way around but it’s either a male or a female
There are only two genders imo
This went so smoothly!
It's so easy to tell who is trans
Fr they look like science experiments gone wrong 😂😂😂
For the female, yeah because of the masculine voice.
For the male, nahh if he hadn't mentioned he's trans, I wouldn't have known the slightest of it.
@@joyedet1363 Fr uncanny valley moment
4:14 jokes on you, I identify with the gender I was assigned at birth and I still hate myself 😎🤠
Lmao mood
XD hope you're ok friendo
@@edenp2465 Yes I'm swell :) how u do?
i spit out my water,,, in other news, how we holding up babe? are we safe and well rested? getting love that you deserve?
@@ohnomo6588 Yup :) just staying hopeful slowly learning to live myself 👌 hbu dude
My brain hurts from binging on middle ground episodes
Alexis P. i feel u
Same
Me too!!
Alexis same
sameeeee
I will never understand the paralyzing fear that some of the women in this video feel and display in regards to not being able to fit people (outside of themsleves) into a familiarly labeled box. Why is it so hard to live and let live? How does people living authentically affect you? I'll never understand.
Woe to the feminists who buy into this incoherent ideology, as in their near dystopian futures-- they'll be oppressed by tyrannical men, who will claim to be women-- and they don't even see it coming.
I love how they say that there are only 2 genders when their are multiple cultures that have more than 2 genders. Plus, there are intersex people that have the parts and hormones of both male and female sexes.
No, there are not. Quit conflating gender/sex with personality traits and temperament. They're not synonymous. Intersex is a genetic defect
@@zachman5150 "defect" lmao. As if DNA is a living, thinking creature that made a mistake and couldn't correct it.
You really need to grow up and stop seeing the world through cartoon characters.
@@Capybarrrraaaa are you seriously making an argument of "nature has no defects"?
What are disabled people?
@@leunamreyo3663 Nope.
@@Capybarrrraaaa
"What are disabled people?"
"Nope"
Seems you answered by question without trying to
You're not afraid of transwomen, you're afraid of cis men. That's what this whole bathroom thing needs to come to
I'm not scared I'm just not a libtard
Cause unlike you libtards I under stand basic human biology
True American Patriot and how does calling people names add to this conversation?
I never thought if it this way but that is correct. I cant help thinking assault is a risk and its very much a cis male behavior I fear. Thanks for bringing this up!
@@nicollevelez8149 its preditory, not cis male.
@@shrkypeek honestly I hate the term cis in general. Agree with you, predatory.