Men's Rights vs Feminism: Is Toxic Masculinity Real? | Middle Ground
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I think having an Incel to represent Men's rights activism, isn't exactly the best thing.
Jubilee pathetic
Jubilee having that incel on was a mistake. That kind of man is an issue. The other 2 however have a good grip on men’s rights but you should also have had a black man on there because there are men’s rights issues in the black community that should have been brought to the light.
when one of the feminist said she would laugh at mens rights thats honestly disgusting that just shows how toxic feminism is
You literallly picked men that knows nothing
Men’s rights vs feminism vs Derrick
You decide.
I don't get what people hate about Derrick.
Wolfram Eicke Rest in peace he’s sexist
@@wolframeickerestinpeace2562 being an incel is not involentary you do it to yourself
SCREW EM ALL. Except for non sjw feminism, then I'm with them, but currently in this video, f*** all of them.wait no my bad only Derrick and two of the feminists are tawxic. One of the feminists that I have called toxic arent all that bad. MAINLY SCREW DERRICK.
Which one is derrick
There's feminists, there's male activists, and then theres derrick.
And no one likes Derrick
No this is Patrick
Ah yes, the three genders
Fr😭
Why does everyone hate Derek
the fact that derrick was raised by a single mother and still acted this like this is genuinley sad
Just goes to show why fathers are needed in the home
Huh? How is it sad?
@@rnick123probably still gonna have similar views
it's cause he was raised by a single mother thats why he acts like this
@@jbbeefboss2646 not necessarily
I can't believe "Men and woman are different but equal" is an actual prompt. Like that is BASIC humanity 😭😭.
Exactly. Asian guy’s definition makes no sense. “Im not saying one is superior” that is the definition of inequality.
@@HoneydewHelenso are you ignorant or defiant because you completely missed what he said he said there not equal is in what there suited for but equal as humans but fundamentally they do different thing but still make up that even 50%
@@SekoishereWhy do you think the phrasing of the question was “different but equal”? It already accounted for those differences
You are not aware that the words "different" and "equal" are mutually exclusive because they mean the exact opposite. George Orwell introduced this way of abusing language in his novel "1984". Orwell named it "Doublethink": to simultaneously hold to mutually exclusive opinions on a topic. shaping these thought into words builds "Doublespeak", e.g. "war is peace".
@@Viewable11 i figure what they meant more accurately would be equity. Men and women are both needed in society, we cannot live without the other. They are needed in different things and are therefore equal in that sense
There's 3 groups in this discussion
1. Men Rights
2. Feminists
3. Derrick
I see one group. Uneducated people.
@@ranyl7744 true I wasted 10 mins of my precious life in this
No Admiral Ackbar, It's a trap!
Derrick just came right out with that degree in incel, jesus.
Well, I understand where Derrick is coming from. I mean, he said that he was very traditional and if we were really talking about the old times like when men would really try everything to get a women. They would go and buy them flowers, they would pay the meal on their date, they would compete with other men because they really do like that woman, they would always be there for the woman, they won't cheat on their wife and kids. They would really be their guards (wife and kids) if there was a burglar entering the house or they met a mugger on the street, men would go and work for their family and the women would stay and raise their kids until they grow up. But now, men doesn't compete and give the best that they can to women, some would just rather catcall the women and force the woman to like them and go home with them. That's not toxic masculinity, those men doesn't have any type of masculinity in them. We cannot go and say that those men are masculine. Derrick just wants men to be what they used to be, a caring and protective people that they should be
This comment section taught us: it's not Men vs Women, it's Men and Women vs Derrick
😂
They all agreed that men and woman should be working together, as shown here we totally can, but i think a big problem is that they are trying to change one side of the medal without touching it all(maby a bad excample?) because both sides got problems and both sides got advantages, so its just them flipping the coin all the time instead of bringing it together like some human rights movement? Thats at least what I see from this video its just them telling each other both sides got their issues to deal with, like anyone who ever wasin a relationship for mor than a month knows(explains Derricks standpoint :P). Comming from a man dunno how that helps but thats my thought on it.
I haven’t watched the whole video yet but I’m going to guess Derrick is the guy in the yellow.
Edit: Yehp, that’s definitely him.
I cringed at a lot of what he was saying, but also when Kursat kept insisting men was a class. Oof.
Christine Drummond ok buddy, they both were actually making valid points and shutting down a lot of the feminists invalid points. But as a woman you probably instinctively side with the other women and blindly disagree with the other sides points just because they are not women.
Zach was the most understanding and overall best communicator on the men’s side. i really love the way he wants to learn and actually debate rather than just go against because of his own beliefs
The women feminists didn't want to learn!!!
him and kursat
@@CristanioPeweyyy yeah it seemed so, they just want the other side to understand them.
Yeah he was carrying the whole show tbh, and he has a gf so i guess thats why he was trying to understand womans views. SInce Derrick said its so difficult to find a partner, not surprised that it is hard for him.
@@Demib34it's hard for Derrick because he's physically unattractive.
Notice that every time the women ask actual questions, they're only addressing Zach and Kursat. You don't need to think too hard to realize why.
that's not true, the women are talking to the other guys too. you actually don't have to think too hard on why men look for any reason to try to bring down women over nothing :/
@@queenserena99 the women r very delusional and brainwashed in thr ideology.
@@queenserena99 the other guys? you mean just derrick?
question: men=women?
derrick: hmmmm, child...
Derrick is my father figure
Erin : tHat’S nOt vEgAn
This is hard to comment on because I think many people have seen women act childish and it’s more socially acceptable because society has in the last 100 of years treated women as a commodity to be locked away, wed off to produce kids and stay at home without as much responsibility as men who overall had to protect family from threats, deal with decision making, providing income. This is controversial statement and it is definitely seen with some women who don’t want to take responsibility and grow up but it’s also a problem society has created and some people want to protect this traditional outlook but then complain about it later. Now we’re in a time period where women don’t need protection, can have equal education opportunities and can work and do jobs that men mainly dealt with and it’s amazing and a lot more easier for both sexes to deal with tackle together. I hope people can understand that and hopefully Derrick if he’s looking through these comments.
Cheeze berries I do agree. If you need the whole world to clear the way an change for you to be comfortable then you have a little bit in common with a child.
@@DeeznutztheOG same here, some people just act like we're not men enough and im very sure you mustve heard that saying too, i dont think its generally targetted against a specific gender though more or less just childish people acting childish
The disappointment on the women’s faces when Derrick talks...
And the men’s tbh...
everyone looks disappointed when derrick talks hahahah
@@joaopedroflausinodelima9147 ikr
Yep
The disappointment on everyones face when derrick talks
zach & Bea asked the question that was the most helpful and seemed to genuinely wanna understand each other. they simply was the most helpful in this discussion and would love to see them just sit down
The fact that Derrick would like to live how we used to decades ago says a LOT about him………😬 So many wrong things were happening so openly back then.
Can you be genuine pls? He literally said 'getting married, having kids, going to church'. Which of those do you have a problem with?
Seems to me like you just arbitrarily decide what you think he is saying without actually listening to any of the words.
What he said:
"Back to the past where people were getting married, having kids, going to church"
What you heard:
"Back to the past where women couldnt vote or hold bank accounts"
@@suntzu6122 pluuueeeeaase 🙄 The dude just wants women to follow his lead and do what he says. When they were complacent, only housewives, cooking and taking care of children. You’re the one choosing not to see certain realities behind his comments, even his demeanor.
@@JorQuin complacent*. wtf is complaisant, is this what feminism is teaching you hahaha
@@suntzu6122Derrick was trolling 😂. You’re actually brain dead if u thought he was being genuine. Now the other men had the same views but they were actually trying to have a conversation Derrick was just there to sound mentally challenged and laugh for no reason. Bro literally started laughing in the middle of the point he was trying to make
@@migwigpee0796 Lol big insults coming from someone who is straight wrong.
He wasnt trolling at all.
Its prob hard for you to grasp because theres a 96% chance youre under 15.
I feel like they should've found a girl who went along with men's rights or a man who was a feminist
Men can’t be feminists, sweetie
Ari Mijangos Ruiz I’m a man who considers myself a feminist lol
Jacob Steinberg so you hate yourself?
Bengiamino feminists don’t hate men you toad
Ari Mijangos Ruiz literally not true. Feminism means the belief that men and women are equal. The large majority of men believe that too. Men can and should be feminists.
2 men’s activists and a discord moderator
Vs.
3 feminists
LMAO
Lol true
AAAAAAAAHAHAHA
Ahahahahhaaa
I feel like he is more of a reddit mod for some porn sub more than he is like a discoed mod
“When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.”
Was trying to find the words for it. Thank you
but.... what we have is not a equality! not even close!
@@ruslanagadzhanyan2753Correct; The point is that there is pushback *against* social equality because those who are privileged feel offended by it
@@pinkflare13 not at all, you wanna tell me that something like presumption of paternity is equality? You wanna tell me that blatant bias against men in courts and during police encounters are equality? You wanna tell me that woman having an abortion option meanwhile men are solely at a mercy of woman and/or hope that condoms that he use is not faulty... basically accountability for men, but not for women, how is that equality? Let me reitterate I am not against abortion, in fact I am very much pro abortion, but just like I personally want abortion to stay, I also want paper abortion for men to be introduced.
I am sorry, but your words "oh you just mad that your priviledge is going away" is projection in its pure form, vast majority of men in 2023 myself included, do not care if women would have equal rights as us, we do not mind that at all, where we start complaining is when women receive more perks that us or preferencial treatment in the places where things should be equal like in the courtroom.
this one sentence could silence so many toxic femenists bro
I feel for Alyshea and I hope she’s okay and getting the support she needs for all the wrong done to her. It’s hard to have to be strong constantly
Problem is with people like her is that their experiences are so dark that they often spread their own darkness whilst calling it strength. I call it "hate-preaching" where they take a handful of really bad experiences and paint an entire demographic they've never met the same shade. You could tell half of everything she said was pandering to that audience. Like I really want to sympathize with her plight's, but she's so full of vitriol and frustration its very difficult. I know the whole "put yourself in their shoes" argument comes up a lot, but although its a mighty big pill to swallow spreading anger and unease helps no one.
I like the analysis
@@zaxbitterzen2178u can’t blame her or other women who have gone through what she has
@@rxm1109 oh I wouldn't dream of it even. I'm only saying there's only so far someone can take their anger until they just start taking it out on others for no reason.
I wish that she wouldn’t use Raed as her examples of what men are like because men are actually the ones that get abused in relationships more.
The two guys on the sides of Derrick are just like: crap, this dude is ruining our whole argument
Taterman 02 who is Derrick
@@user-gb2ol2cp1n The incel... the one with the fricking yellow jacket lol
@Julius Songling haha Wow. Should put that in quotation. Maybe the lady on the left would have been better choice of words... but then again. You chose it... =[
@@imnotaweebyounormie547 Haha... yeah
I'm Not A Weeb You Normie ok
25% of the comments: random stuff
75% of comments: everyone vs derrick
Including yours
Derrick: *Speaks*
Both rights movements: No
@@3HeadedGOAT311 as it should.
I feel like if it was zach and bea themselves this wouldve been a real calm and easy vid
why can’t we just support both men and women at the same time. As a guy myself ik there’s many instances where men are unfairly treated and there’s many instances where women are unfairly treated. We don’t gotta prioritize one over the other.
As a girl I completely agree
We want to. That's why the patriarchy needs to go, it's hurting BOTH genders
@@amarzya445then we will replace it with a matriachy one
@@suvarniski how about a matri-patri-archy
This is where it's at. I don't label myself feminist but rather a supporter of gender equality for exactly this reason.
Every time Derek said the words “even women”, the camera did an Office style pan over people’s faces because they are grossed out
It's because the left is the master of optics. They present "their truth" instead of an objective reality.
American Son yah nothing is wrong wi he presenting your opinion as you are doing here. Yes people with beliefs will present opinions that’s not a conspiracy theory. If you made this video it would have a heavy right slant, and that’s ok.
@Jason Tang yeah but um...equity for what exactly? They get what they work for as do men
Jason Tang Preach!
@@simonjaz1279
*yeah but um...equity for what exactly? They get what they work for as do men*
When feminists say they want "gender equality" they want "equal outcomes" (achieved by treating the sexes unequally). MRAs want "equal treatment" and believe that since women and men are equal, both sexes should be treated the same.
The actual title: *everyone's rights vs Derrick.*
HAHAHAHAAHA
Lmao
Fr
Yes
Yo Derrick isn’t in the wrong! No one is it’s just beliefs like if you were Christian and I’m atheist! We can still respect eachother and our own beliefs
Zach thank you for showing up actual thoughts, experiences, suggestions, empathy.
The moment Derrick Called himself an Incel it's been so over 💀💀💀
Yeah i felt the same way too
the other guys were probably like “godamn derrick quit making us look bad”
So true 😂
I know I was
Though they didnt need help either
Well they clearly didn't tell him anything to stop him... actions speak louder than words, my friend.
Bored Bored bored Well the thing was it was a discussion to allow everyone to share their opinions. Like they said they all have different perspectives, yet they fall under the same vague umbrella of Men’s Rights. And the other two should not be judged based on his comments, they are completely different people with completely yet somewhat similar perspectives.
20% of the comments: *opinions on the topic*
80% of the comments: Derrick
I mean,, Derrick is kind of a big deal
he is the video
Exactly lol it’s annoying af when you’re scrolling through the comments trying to find meaningful conversations on the topic trying to see people’s opinions and even learn something, and all you see are comments about Derrick.
lol, not even 80%💀💀
@@akilbrazier1421
He is annoying
Trying to dismiss the other side isn't helping find a middle ground, coming in with the mentality of winning the argument doesn't help either. Jubilee should chose people who have well immersed themselves in these kind of topics.
Derrick seemed like a Jerk everyone else was so mature and articulate and gave really well informed arguments, it felt so professional if it wasn't for him
@@Heejinbunny Derrick was the biggest issue in the mens rights side.
Even tho it's a wonderful idea to raise the quality of those arguments, it's not something that would benefit the views and etc. The amount of people who felt the urge to write something about the yellow dide is insane and lots of comments is what gets videos recommended to other people
The fact that none of the guys walked up for toxic masculinity is actually very surprising to me
Especially since they say they are activist for men!!!
I think they had a misunderstanding of what toxic masculinity is. I think alot of people think we're saying that masculinity is toxic but no we're saying that there are ideas of how men should behave that are harmful to others and themselves.
@@aliaab123 I think toxic femininity should have been discussed too
@@aliharis4266 yeah I agree
@@aliaab123 I am glad you agreed
The way the women are looking at derick when he’s talking is killing me
Same lmaooo
SAMEEE THEY BE LIKE: 👁👄👁
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👁👄👁
RIGHT AGKSJDKD
That's what happens when you are raised without a father.
Derick looks like every awkward “I want to be cool” kid in every high school party
Meg Griffin-esque, if you will
Exactly like jonah hills roles😂😂
He looks like Vince Chung from American dad
Couldn't describe him better.
Literally my ex
Derrick is like extra sauce to a Pizza. Pizza itself is already well seasoned, we can enjoy it alright as it is. But sometime some people be curious to see how it’d be with extra sauce which is basically unnecessary
poetic
Bro Derrick should never be allowed to go near a woman
Watching a discussion that you're not able to take part in is the most frustrating thing ever...
i wanted to shout at my screen so many times
Same
Great way to practice listening, but I agree!!!
@pawtatuh e3e Some of the women were annoying as well. I don't need you to protect me. Why scream that? The guy was making a very different point
@@eagle3676 big brain jk I agree with you
What I expected to see in the comments: *People arguing about rights*
What there is: *People hating on Derrick*
David Hernandez Eh, I don’t blame em. Some people are just not the likable type *cough* Derick.
I think both Derrick and Mimi need to check their attitudes. All the other four were people who you would like to have a conversation with, especially Bea and Zach. But Derrick's idiocy and Mimi's blind faith put them on the top of my 'Stay away from' list
Ikr I love it 😂😂😂😂😭😭😭😭
Derrick isnt that bad
@@SDLXVI said no one Ever... 😂
The only people that ever want to "go back" to the way "things were" are always the ones who enjoyed a privileged position (or think there was one for them) in that prior reality. It's never about helping a disadvantaged people gain/regain parity.
Not true, you just think that because it goes against your belief!!
@@CristanioPeweyyy name 1!
@@MrGB-me8ws Less single mothers, stronger family units. Named you two reasons instead.
Yeah fr no person of color would go “I wish I we could go back to the 1920’s”
@@CristanioPeweyyy like how women back then can't get divorced, stuck under abusive household, can barely get their own bank card? Lol
I love the lightskin girl. She’s so soft spoken but straightforward. She’s so kind but blunt with her points.
HER POINTS? Bro did you miss the spot where she dissed the guy for stating a fact and just refused to provide evidence
@@mokivalera3563 That's not who she is talking about.
@@AmaraOkudoh then who😭
@@mokivalera3563 The other black lady but lighter skin in the black shirt
@@chungus7355 she also kinda sucked
2 men's rights activists and 3 feminists + Derrick
Derrick is his own species
@@yeehaw8835 xD
@Zackyboi Sharp xD
derrick is for sure a feminist no doubt about it
Average Mo of course they were triggered and emotional from my POV they didn’t lash out or be near to tears but they did it in a calm way. How else are you supposed to have this discussion or any discussion of any topic at that without having some type of reaction. As long as we find a common ground or end goal without having one side having more power then we’ll finally be set.
Derrick is that one student that didn’t research for his group presentation
beatsbysweat lmfao
Kursat came in with facts and a ton of research, respect to that.
Felt a little off when he got told "I know that you came with your little research". 16:40
Yet we ignore the ignorance and arrogance of that lady and Aleysha and we just focused on Derrick being a fool
Kurst and Zach were true gentlemen, very articulated and educated and kept their calm even when the feminists tried to shut them down
not really, he's pushing and being aggressive in asking her to pull up a statistic that most people won't have unless intentionally prepared. He used her inability to answer to justify his own point - which is a logical fallacy
he was very articulate and well versed in some areas but these people came to have an open minded discussion, nothing really too in depth
@@rpepero4774 A logical fallacy to come to a debate with research done beforehand? Especially when that is his whole career, studying gender-based discrimination? What would you have him do instead, pretend he knows nothing and argue based solely on emotions and how things should be based on how he feels?
Asking someone to explain an extraneous claim with evidence which you know to be false by virtue of studying it, is not a logical fallacy.
It speaks a lot about our society at the end when the women all hug and are happy and the men give cold handshakes to one another
Well once the feminists reach 30+ they expire so it doesnt matter in the end
They aint winning in the long run
Lol they hug and stab each other at the back😂😂😂
How so?
@@thenamelessjeffrey6472 wtf why do guys always think that women hate each other and ready to backstab each other??????????
experience dear@@eridmango9436
“Us going back from the past wouldn’t be so bad”
Camera: *cuts to the black girl*
LMAOOOOO GOOD EYE😂
Like
Plague
Communism
Public executions
2 men’s rights activists vs. 3 women vs. a science experiment
HELP-
No cus dead ass tho
FRRRR
underrated comment over here
💀
Men and Women both deserve rights both deserve equal chances in the world.
Which feminism is against they don't want equality but triple standards hopefully AI will put an end to their toxic movement by showing people their true colors
@@egg4489 there’s a radical feminist, we don’t claim them. they took feminism to the extremes feminism is actually about giving woman equal rights as men
@@egg4489 and some men’s rights supporters are too radical. They’re more of degrading women than helping men get rights that they already have. It’s like you see someone in a handicap spot and you feel offended so you go in the spot and then people are like you don’t need the handicap spot but you don’t get out the handicap spot.
@@egg4489pov: feminism is 1 tweet with 2 likes. I guarantee you only know feminism from anti feminist sources (I know because I used to think the same).
@@egg4489How is feminism against it?
I think this is a really important discussion to have. Bridging this gap is important. Being a traditionalist, I will always acknowledge that many women have experienced terrible things. Some at the hands of men. I feel for them and will always validate those experiences. Using blanket statements like men’s response to feminist idealogy (albeit certain aspects) is angry or toxic is not the way forward. We must ALL listen to each other to truly find the middle ground.
You can see the frust on everyone's face when derrick speaks , like not only from the feminist side but from the MA side too , they are like "why gotta open you mouth"
@Angry Egalitarian facts
derrick just committed suicide because of all the hate he got... rip
@@umamifan is there an article for that I wanna see
@@umamifan wait fr??
@@umamifan hopefully thats true
I saw everyone talking bout how they hate Derrick and I was like who's Derrick, then I saw the men walk in and it was all clear.
Jelly the jellyfish ikr lol 😂
Same😂
oh he's most likely saying that bc after a female heard the words coming out of his mouth, they made the right decision and waled away.
Bro same. I skipped to the middle and I was expecting to be confused trying to find out who's Derrick, but I knew it the moment I saw him
Jelly the jellyfish LITEEALLY
I noticed in the “men and women should be allies.” It mostly either side saying, your side should be more like *blank* or do more *blank*. Rather I believe it should be as a people we should do *blank* or embrace *blank* or acknowledge *blank*
Round of applause for Zach and Bea great conversation and each genuinely wanted to meet a common ground…. Derrick was well he didn’t belong in this conversation. Wasn’t a big fan of when Kursat was almost belittled by Mimi for doing his “little research” as if having research was a bad thing. Long story short just Zach and Bea should get part 2
Where was he billeting her though? I mean if you are going to come to debate bring some facts. Her response was pretty rude in my opinion
All the women facial expressions when derrick speaks is killing me 💀💀
Lmao right Aleyshas face 💀💀
Natasel Wait whose side are you one here? I am very confused with those words that are on my screen.
Natasel Do you mean that no matter what side your on it has some wrong faults?
Natasel sorry but that is irrelevant , not in all arguments one of the side is right , in some argument non of them are wrong so it doesn’t matter , while in some argument both of them are wrong like in this argument both of them had faulty expressions that don’t even represent the least part of the society , they didn’t talk about real problems they talked about irrelevant matters
Natasel you confusing me lmao.
“i don’t believe women and men can be friends” tf he on about
Gwizzyy like some of my closest friends are female I dint see what’s wrong about it
@@eoghanjones9042 my closest friends are all men. Wtf are you on about
I learned from this video I “shouldn’t” be friends with my many Male friends
😂😂😂😂
@@Nora-yb9jw What are you arguing?
Honestly dude
15:23 they say how life isn’t all about relationships but when it comes to these topics, look at how the convo naturally steers this way.
Oh great! Some people are going to have a great conversation and maybe agree on something!!!
Derrick has entered the chat.
jesus, derrick wasn’t lying when he said he was an incel.
Just found a video about Derrick on this* channel called I'm an Incel ask me anything. I'm commenting on a bunch of replies cause I feel like everyone would want to watch it. I haven't seen it yet, I had to let every one know about it first lol.
Ksehhcedg Vgsvhtssgju Whats his channel name ?
Ksehhcedg Vgsvhtssgju what’s his channel?
@@Hannah-tp3fl Jolie Oof it's on this channel, Jubilee. I mean this, not his, sorry about that. It's fixed now. I never noticed that, so thank you
i think the middle ground for feminists and mens rights activists is that we dont like derrick LMAO
YES
WE CAN AGREE ON THIS
I didn't really like Derrick, there was just something about him that pissed me off.
@@starstruck6162 yea he made no sense
@@starstruck6162 actually nvm he would probably turn the whole therapy center insane
I was your 1000th like CONGRATS EYY
Woman here. I will give credit where credit is due, no matter HOW rude Alyesha or Mimi were to them, Zach and Kursat weren't rude back; they didn't interrupt and berate back. When they acted crappy and were extremely rude, they didn't act that way back. They listened and they were polite and empathetic, and they didn't say anything unkind. They were very polite and respectful, and you don't see that anymore. Props to them.
Find a feminist who isnt a hate filled moron. Really, try. You wont be able to.
@@braulioreyes9851 LOL you cant tell she was being rude?
She is literally a textbook MISANDRIST (thats sexism towards men since apparently no one knows what that word means). And she is basing her hatred of men off the fact that she has trauma.
She literally explained how men shouldnt have rights advocates.. because she has trauma.
"TAKE AWAY" from the feminist? Implying a feminist EVER has anything to give other than half baked misandry?
Funny shxt, tbh.
Find a feminist who isnt a hate filled hob goblin. No, really. Try. You literally cant do it.
Feminists will get FULL BLOWN butthurt over men being sexist, whilst simultaneously being the most sexist people in *ANY* scenario. They just have their heads shoved so far into the collective vag they are incapable of noticing how much of a hypocrite they are. SEXISM BAD! (but also women cant be sexist cuzzz [insert mental gymnastics] ).
She is literally so traumatized she isnt capable of being genuine anymore. What she needs is THERAPY, not a fxcking microphone / platform to EMBARRASS herself with her hate filled diatribe.
@@braulioreyes9851 She interrupted them, called names, and made low blows. Derrick needs to seriously work on himself for a while.
@@braulioreyes9851 she also didn't acknowledge the issues of men when Kursat talked about the family court thing by directing the problems to something completely different so that made her look ignorant as well. She in my opinion relied more on her experiences and feelings than facts and logic and having a civil discussion.
@@braulioreyes9851 She assumed he was "invalidating" her experiences...When he not once said they were invalid. He truly seemed like he was just asking out of curiosity. She got a little defensive and hostile at that. Which would have been granted, had he truly been malicious.
Derrick just wants to get a sex partner and a pet, that's why he wanna live in the Middle Ages, honestly I find incel men rly funny
based Derrick
Somebody needs to tell Derrick that "Heath Ledger's Joker" is not a valid personality.
*ded* 🤣
Lmaooooo, you put it into words
@@supposedlyaperson2168
_"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win” originated with Mahatma Gandhi_
This is the best comment I’ve ever seen
@@DemonsCrest1 I haven't seen any fighting going on, the whole point is to avoid that
Nobody:
Derrick lookin like a whole 4th grade boy and then a middle school boy attitude-
Istg he looks like the youngest person here with his attitude.
He’s dead he killed himself smh
Ugh yes this
@@respectablegunowner big if true
That's disrespectful to middle schoolers, I'm sure most have them have better views than Derrick ugh
1. Just like the Asian person said, we're made differently for different tasks. That's one reason for the wage gap. It's supposed to be better for everyone.
2. What's toxic masculinity? I get that some guys can be too "manly" and cause harm, but when it comes to crying, I lean towards the Stoic philosophy. You shouldn't cry over things you can't control. It just leads to disappointment, and yes, crying can make guys seem less attractive. There are stats to back this up.
3. Here, I kind of agree with feminists. I think things are mostly okay now. Some aspects of our culture still show gender differences. Like men usually pay on the first date, hold doors, and women get certain privileges, like being allowed to leave a sinking ship first or getting into a country first when fleeing.
Overall, my point is, I'm not really sure what feminists are still fighting for. They talk about rights, but they already have them. The wage gap argument has been challenged, and they even have some small privileges that are just part of our Western culture. I don't see them pushing to level out those privileges.
Sorry for long lmao
Hey just replying because this is a subject I would wanna learn more about I was wondering if you have a link or website I can be reffered to when it came to the statics about crying may make a men less attractive?
the point is that the women are targeted to do a specific role meanwhile mens can do whatever they want
The men's rights activies also said that women are advanteged and THAT is complete bullsh*t
I personally feel like Alicia and Derek were the two ones displaying the most toxic behavior. Alicia saying why do men need an activist movement or rights movement was so incredibly toxic. Everything that Derek said was extremely arrogant and ignorant.
Alicia looked demon possessed half the time
And Mimi
can’t get over how done the three women look every time Derrick talks
Because women are attracted to men with more testosterone which is why the Asian guy is getting his point across more without interruptions. Women and men treat the more attractive people better. Derrick makes many valid points but the women don’t like him being the one to bring them up. Lol
kjobful why are you comparing a debate to... attraction? like it literally doesn’t have anything to do. Btw a lot, and when i say a lot i mean a LOT of women are attracted to women so like, your point?
kjobful pretty sure Bea was pretty open to what Derrick was saying... the only reason you can tell they don’t like what he’s saying is not because of his looks, but because he literally stated that he doesn’t believe men and women should be equal... how is that a valid point?? he really thinks men are superior to women, claiming that kids aren’t equals to adults.. probably the worst analogy to use. also, the two other men i would say had valid points when it came across divorce trials and custody over children because i could understand an argument like that, but derrick is on a whole other level that’s just completely one sided.
salty sloth women historically have been treated like kids and babied by society since the beginning of time which is what has led to women having this extreme sense entitlement in western cultures. So him comparing them to children is more spot on than women would like to admit. My only knock on his statement is he didn’t provide and evidence to back his statement. And there is OVERWHELMING evidence to back that statement/comparison. And to be clear I don’t support feminism or mgtow both are capitalist funded movements to keep men and women fighting. But the non emotional dialogue is extremely healthy.
kjobful okay... but maybe women don’t want to be “babied”? women also don’t want to be compared to children, simple as that. yeah, maybe we have been because we weren’t aloud the same privileges as white males, but still. derrick wants to go back to where males were highly superior to women, that’s why they don’t like what he’s saying.
He really said “Finding a girl at all is difficult”
I wonder why it be like that for him ...
yo why u bully him like that lol
lmaoo
Arrrmmmmyyy💜💜💜💜
Yassssssss
HAHAAHHAHAH FR
The answer its fight for the rights of all humans and make things more fair FOR ALL.
If we keep fighting for one side or another side all the law will be dibalanced in some point.
It’s like a bad relationship listening to them argue
Derrick digs himself into a deeper hole with everything he says
Yup. He seemed to realize that too, but a little too late.
Derrick isn't even remotely representative of what the MRM wants. In fact, a part from Kursat I don't think any of them were MRAs. Zach is more of a conservative who's worried about men's role in society. He's clearly religious and seems motivated by this.
"Real" MRAs though actually oppose all manners of gender roles across the board. They have zero interest in "going back to the past" and actually agree with feminists when it comes to equal treatment regardless of sex. I'm not an MRA myself but I have read a lot of their literature and it's really disappointing to see how they weren't represented in this video AT ALL. Derrick especially is a sad troll who'll give the MRM an even worse reputation than they already have.
@@MoviezGames This is actually a good insight. Thanks for this. It would have been cool to hear more of what MRA actually stands for because from the video it seemed like the three men didn't really have a solid ground of what they would define as MRA --so it was difficult to understand their side especially the incel hahahaha.
@@mikaelatagaylo8765 Those interviews are called the "raw files" btw.
@@mikaelatagaylo8765 IMO that's probably because MRA is heavily based in being reactionary toward feminism. It's not about men, but about fighting against feminism.
Derrick is that type of guy that say: "All girls are the same" when a girl reject him
Ahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahah😐
juice wrld said it dont u ever disrespect juice
@@manu-nz7vc what? I dont understand
Or the girls who say it about guys
Derrick is just derrick
This is why women aren't taken seriously "I know that you came with your research or whatever ". Embarrassing.
No, she had a point. The MRAs kept talking about how men are biologically lesser parents while the feminists said people were equals.
The entire conversation was the guys answer
@regisglass5464 no she didn't have a point. He came with facts, she came her a head full of air and hair spray.
Men and women are not equal.
@@nickyturnbull2172 "Men and women are not equal"
This mentality is why feminism exists and why she was correct. Again, the entire conversation was the MRA being proven wrong.
Also weird the MRA's complained about losing custody cases when they specifically said men are biologically worse at being parents.
@regisglass5464 Feminists hate men and lie.
@@regisglass5464, how are men and women equal?
He proved her wrong. Face it. She couldn't name any organisations as there aren't any.
I think it would be to bring these guys back to see like more in-depth conversation
“Toxic masculinity is real”
Derick: *smirks while women walk up*
Sarcastic Aquarius right??? I was like dude come on
he was illustrating the concept very well indeed (well done, Derrick !)
Pichon Salomé how does that display toxic masculinity💀
The whole time I was like "Derick you're literally a great example of toxic masculinity"
@@hannahcampos584 he is just attacked because people sense his life situation is a weakness, you seem like a bully
edit: the guy lacks any masculinity, and it is very ironic that it is always the least masculine that get attacked for the "toxic masculinity"
in fact, the men with issues are those that are raised by single moms (statistically speaking) because they connect to their feelings, and men have testosterone. Men should overcome feelings, it is when they follow feminist teachings they become violent beasts.
Edit2: I wrote this before knowing he was raised by a single mom but point proven!
Derrick talking about how he can’t find a girlfriend. Now we all know why
Reply
Bcus he too manly for them
Why is this comment a year old and all the replies are from less than a week ago? Lmao
@@kenkaneki8091 true he is too manly Ken
Hope he'll live his life single bc women like him NEVER deserve to be treated that way according to him
Let's be real here. Equality is forced. It's not something that's inherently in us humans to want to give each other. Someone will always want more or have more than another person. Men's rights and feminism is just a fight for superiority.
I’m surprised they even managed to pull Derrick out of his moms basement
Bahahahah I can’t breath.
FR this guy needs to go outside real bad
Yeah me too
@@sarahkirkman4843 thats what he said
he needs to touch some grass
When Derrick says he's studied something - it means he's been on google and youtube for a few hours.
you mean on r/incel
this is a horrible joke i almost killed my self
@@DiscAgent Derrick is that you?
@Reaganomics •101 damn I played myself by replying to a troller bot.
Hey you guys, it’s real. There really is a sisterhood of women who are against men. Feminism is their disguise, look into “Lady Ishtar”- The goddess of war and love. The love she gives is used against you.
In my opinion. We are different but equal. We complement each other differences.
Facts I mean ofc we aren't equal in every way. I do think that we are equal in most things
🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️@@omotayosatuyi252
Derrick makes me so mad it’s unexplainable
Fr
Better title: men's rights vs feminism vs Derrick
YES.
Ikr!!!
*D E R R I C K*
Everyones rights vs Derrick
Derrick didn't know how to express what he was thinking. I do understand where he's coming from because I wouldnt necessarily say I'm opposed to what he's saying. I do believe he's beliefs are men were built to protect the young and protect the mother. Thats just how our brains are wired. And it is because of other men who harm women that we do that. I think he's trying to say is he's in favor of that perfect family from an 80s or 90s sitcom but with the ground that women have gained through voting rights and equal pay and all of that stuff. He said he was an Incell, in other words he doesn't talk much so he doesn't exactly know how to talk. When he told the other guy to talk before him at the end it wasn't because he was frustrated or anything like that or spite women, he just didn't know how to convey his thoughts into words so that he doesn't immediately hang himself. The tension was very high so I do feel some sympathy for him. Also kinda same about girls can really just find a guy with the snap of a finger. Every girl I've met is talking to at least 3 different guys. Not all are romantic interests but there are definitely more single men than there are women. In my community at least.
Derrick: *starts talking*
Feminists: So you have chosen death
Nicolas Castaneda Well he deserves it but it was hilarious
Derrick: Peace was never an option
Chosen a lonely death.
my girl was like "i specifically know of womens groups trying to change things for men" then saying my dude i didnt come with research i cant tell you who is just straight lying
She complained about the anger men are giving out .. and she got angry about something that angered her too.
Wasn't that because she was asked to give details about how she was assaulted? Why would she be happy after she gave the details?
This is actually more painful to watch than the flat-earthers.
Facts
Why elaborate you cant just say that whithout reason we cant assume which sides your on
@cartohead the thing is people have different pov so what they think is facts and logic can be the opposite for you dont just make a vague statement like this explain yourself
@cartohead i you want to just saying that making vague statements doesn't help your cause unless you go into it and explain
@cartohead cartohead it's hilarious because you are from the same group of dudes that claim that women are much more suited for childbearing and child caring by nature. how are women better at raising children and then suddenly that's not the case when it comes to a court case. pick a lane.
there was really a three-way conversation:
feminists
mens rights activists
derrick
lol, ur comment is right under the one u copied
Sarah Jade fr
Bruh, copied
There’s always a Derrick
Period
“Is toxic masculinity real?”
*shows **24:02** minutes of toxic masculinity*
😂😂😂😂
It isn't real.
agreed
@@regisglass5464 toxic masculinity doesn't exist.
@@DavidW-ng5zv then why do the MRAs say men are lesser parents because they think women are biologically suited for it?
@@regisglass5464 why do vvomen make up the vast majority of care jobs?
i wish this channel would start doing more than one video on topics... sometimes i feel like the people chosen for the talks dont really accurately represent the demographic.
the second he called himself an 'incel' it was all over
honestly tho when I heard that I was like- 🤢✌️😔✋🏃♂️💨
Lmaoooo
Exactly, he threw his ass away the moment the word came out of his mouth.
The problem with the incel community is that there are varied subsections of groups which differ in intensity, and there is not an official treatise of what exactly constitutes the incel philosophy (blackpill). Their general argument, which is that women are more selective than men for relationships, is a slippery contention because there is minimal evidence for it. However, they capitalize on events where women carry a certain attitude towards men solely on their appearance, although this is not to say all women behave this way. What one could surely say is that there has been a major culture change on the viewing towards polygamist sex, when throughout most of modern history, fornication was frowned upon. Media categorizes relationships to almost be considered as a fashion statement, where strapping, tall muscular men bond with lustrous, curvaceous women. These unrealistic physical archetypes of what men and women should be leave an entire population subconsciously influenced by such standards. People become more jealous of sex when all forms of media glorify it to be an amazing thing. Underrepresented Men in the dating scene, who probably do not meet this media standard of tall and muscular, probably have a much harder time to attract women because psychologically they feel physically inadequate due to cultural standards, leading them to a downward spiral of resentment and low self-esteem. Some women who are more in preference to physical intimacy than long-term authentic relations, may hanker more towards better-looking men because it makes them feel subconsciously to be of better value. What makes this premise interesting is that men’s supposed physical standards are more of a congenital nature while women’s are not. For example, an overweight woman would not be considered attractive by many but such physical drawbacks can most likely be prevented. On the other hand, a genetically short male cannot change his height, or modify a physically unattractive face because men are not expected to wear make up. Derrick employs the faulty generalization fallacy when he says that most women are naturally superficial towards looks, but it is by nature that humans tend to trust more better attractive people than less attractive ones. This may not detract a psychologically sound, although physically ungifted male from wooing females, though it may make things more difficult in a society where we create matches at the click of a button through dating apps. Men should be more grateful of where their physical gifts lie and not expect to bond with a “movie-quality” female, but women should be more understanding of men who may have below-average looks. All of this finger-pointing is useless when it comes to reducing the physical prejudices we have in society. The toxic side of the incel community recognizes some social pitfalls, but quickly generalizes the motives of women. The hyper sexualization of media and the false advertising of romance, as well as drunken mayhem and party scenes of 20-something year olds, where the most visceral and attractive partygoers have casual sex every weekend and treat it like the time of their life, leaves physically ungifted men infuriated, when their testosterone levels are raging high and their fathers and grandfathers would have already been married. This is not to say that this culture is necessarily wrong, but we must encourage people to change their outlook of what creates an ideal, physically attractive man and woman.
@Eggfriend provide me with an argument. And then we can debate and maybe, just MAYBE you can change my mind, rather than resorting to name calling.
the men's rights activist people were also embarrassed by derrick
All of us men are embarrassed that derrick is himself a "man"
@@LanxPenzenpepper correction: all of us men are embarrassed by anyone that thinks a "men activist" is a real thing
Maybe he didn't learn enough history.
Ryan Moores you are my new favorite person
he was the worst person they could have chosen for this episode lol
The open hostility from the women says everything I need to know.
what open hostility what are you talking about💀
@@squid4484 the women except for the one in the middle weren't understanding on mens issues AT ALL. They projected their own personal feelings and let them take over rather than talking in a civil manner.
the men didn't have any issues. when flat out asked to share their stories, they spoke to nothing. if anything, I found the women of this segment to be much more empathetic towards the basis' of the mra's ideologies then vise versa. @@miraculoussimpson6785
What hospitality this is exactly why Derrick is gonna father your children
Derrick knocks you out cold
So, I often hear the phrase "men have a lot of rights that women do not" and so I'm curious, exactly what rights do men have that women don't? Because I personally can't think of any, but I'd be happy to hear if there are any that I haven't heard of?
I feel like those can only applied in worldwide perspective, imo a better choice of sentences would be "men have better access to a lot of things than women". Example of this is the lack of research in menstrual product for example, it was only last year where they finally tested the usage of pad with actual blood instead of water
@@nasrinnskiTo be fair, hygiene products are an unfair comparison to make regarding men. Men really don't have the issue of hygiene products.
@@lavans5721 based on what youve stated that means men dont have the issue of hygiene products therefore women do have the issues of hygiene products
@@nasrinnski not what I'm stating at all. I'm literally saying what I'm saying. Men don't have that issue, because they don't use tampons and other female menstrual products.
Because they don't use those, it would be unfair to compare the two sexes in that regard.
@lavans5721 I mean yeah that's the problem. Men as a gender/species have existed as long as women does, yet the research on females body are still lacking in comparison. Does that seems to make sense?
Derrick has nothing to add to the conversation. He is just a little kid with very minimal real life experience.
You just dont see what hes saying
LeCeaseDaProducer, what is he saying?? He said he wishes to go back to the 50s because him and his greasy hair can’t get a girlfriend so he wants to force a girl into a relationship.
@@Scheemar he Is just old fashioned and traditional. He wants to go back to a time when god came first in our lives. Where men loved and respected ONE woman. And woman allowed their men to feel like men. Not today's day where the girl you texting got 5 side guys.
But to be fair younger people are able to give a more creative and insightful opinion which in general would make a conversation better but that just doesn't happen here which might be so just because no one understands him his opinion are different from the others who are trying to avoid offending the other side but he had to get his point through which make him seem like an asshole and that is why the comment section dislikes him
@@Cassiuss damn Right
“The feminists are taking over!”
“I’m an adult virgin.”
I bet you look like Derrick
New Level ~ I’m sorry but I WHEEZEDDDD
Greasel Snatches GOOD
@Greasel Snatches They're actually not. Radical feminism is a particular branch of feminism, and it's the one that most people think of when they think of feminists (i.e., man haters)--but it actually makes up a smaller portion of overall feminism and is usually disliked even by other feminist groups.
@@brandidavis4425 it's a vine my guy
Derricks laugh is a menace
Mimi is just got caught in a lie. Now she uses her child like behavior to get out of it.
which one?
@@regisglass5464 when she claimed that feminist organisations help men and couldn't name any.
@@DavidW-ux2gc wasn't that after all the MRA's said men are lesser parents while the feminists disagreed?
@@regisglass5464, the MRAs didn't say that.
The feminists said that masculinity is toxic.
@@DavidW-ng5zv thus, per pretending they didn't, thank you for noticing why MRAs don't help men
oh God, the way Derrick looks at those women and says things with a sarcastic undertone like 100% of sure I CAN'T
So true It was Cringe hearing him say all that face to face with a Feminist saying that online with a comment is a Different statement
He’s embarrassing like when he laughed when they stepped up on the first question. Also of course he had to look like that.
I'm a rare "gen-Z" female that is very much for men's rights and going back to some of the ways that we followed in the past. I continue to watch women continuously fall into their own trap. Ego runs in mankind (this includes women). I do believe men and women should be equal. Women are going too far these days, treating men the way we hated to be treated. I understand however, feeling preyed upon by certain men. "The boys" mentality that caused women to act like this in the first place. Actual toxic men. I don't know about this "toxic masculinity" subject. I think it's an oversight. Instead of pinpointing those actual perpetrators. It's almost aiding them, rather than holding them accountable. A distraction. Nonetheless, the focus on those few guys that hurt them, shows how many women have black and white thinking. We need a better system that doesn't push this narrative. They often don't even try to fix their own pattern of going for the same results over and over again. Blaming all of the opposite gender for fear of hurting them again. It's easier to simply stay away altogether. Instead of try for a different outcome and keep a victim mentality. Unfortunately, this causes women to keep getting the same result over and over again. All sides should take accountability and learn to work together through open communication. Learn to accept differences of opinion. Then proceed with understanding.
"I do believe men and women should be equal."
ironically, the MRA's disagree with you. you should probably interact with more feminists since you are already partial to their views.
@@regisglass5464 then why does feminism teach vvomen to hate men?
@@DavidW-ng5zv that's odd, where do the feminists state they hate men? The MRAs constantly say men are lesser parents, so does this mean they hate men?
@@regisglass5464 the MRAs are men, so they do not hate them. That would be odd.
However, the feminists believe that women are oppressed by men in the patriarchy", hence this belief creates resentment and hatred of men.
@@regisglass5464 Lies, lies and more lies from a female incel who doesn’t want men to have equal rights. There’s nothing that triggers you Karens more than woman who believe in REAL equality!
feminism want to be equal when it benefit them but doesn't want to be equal when it doesn't.
“I can protect myself, I am very capable of doing what I need to do”
Derek: ok sure
@PC 2020 You aknowledge that it's better having men and women protecting each other? Many women that said they are capable have been asaulted.
I wanted to smack him through the screen
@@sleepypigeon8560 What's your point? People who get assaulted can be body builders and professional fighters, they still get assaulted. Terry Crews has been sexually assaulted and he knew he could handle himself well in a fight, but he chose not too because he knew the situation can escalate. Some people do fight off attackers. So again, I don't understand the point you're trying to make?
@@zeefaaldown3231 Exactly. Sleepy Pigeon, you don't seem like you look through all the cracks of assault.
@@zeefaaldown3231 I'm centering in female because it's the theme they are talking about, I know theres all kinds of people who also need to be protected
Derick: finding a girl is hard
Also derick: why would I be friends with a woman?
Mylesthe Goat Ikr it’s just logic
Women and men cannot be just friends. It is against nature
@@hannah-7525 Um, what? As a woman have no problem being friends with a man. Although for a man, it’s difficult for them to have a friendship with a woman.
@@autumnperez6232 men and women cannot be friends because they are opposites. It usually ends up being something sexual/romantic. If not, you’re not actually “friends” you’re more acquaintances.
@@hannah-7525 lol no
derrick put that leg up and i knew it's going down 😭😭😭
I know everyone’s talking about how they don’t like how Derek was in the video, but Mimi was also getting on my nerves to
Derrick shouldn't have been there, all he did was push the conversation back about 10 steps every time he opened his mouth
and that's the point. what bode lang's video Faking Authority, Destroying Merit
Couldn't have put it better myself
Thats why im glad he was there lmfao