Busting The Top 5 Misconceptions About Pankration: The Ancient Greek Combat Sport
Vložit
- čas přidán 1. 08. 2024
- Patreon: / amopankration
Ko-fi: ko-fi.com/amopankration
Chapters:
Intro: 0:00 - 0:55
Myth No. 5: Pankration Was a Mix of Wrestling and Boxing: 0:55 - 1:49
Myth No. 4: Pankration Was Incredibly Violent: 1:50 - 3:50
Myth No. 3: Pankration Had No Ruleset: 3:51 - 5:56
Myth No. 2: Modern Pankration Gyms Display Their Own Interpretation of Pankration: 5:57 - 8:05
Myth No. 1: Pankration Techniques Are Forever Lost: 8:06 - 10:06
Outro: 10:07 - 11:30
Sources:
Piffles:
IOC Official Webpage
olympics.com/ioc/ancient-olym...
Arrichion's Death:
Arrichion’s Last Fight: What Really Happened?
ejmas.com/jcs/jcsart_hollenba...
Philostratus (Lemnian), Imagines Book 1 C6
www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/t...
Pausanias: Depictions of Greece 8.40.2
www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/t...
Rules & Hellanodikae:
Philostratus (Lucius Flavius) Life of Apollonius Book 5
el.wikisource.org/wiki/Βίος_Α...
Pausanias, Depictions of Greece 6.24.3
www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/t...
Philostratus (Lemnian), Imagines Book 1 C6
www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/t...
Aristophanes, Birds 435
www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/t...
Orthopaea, LSJ:
lsj.gr/wiki/%E1%BD%80%CF%81%C...
Orthopaea/Orthostaden:
Lucian, Anacharsis: 3,8
Intangible Cultural Heritage List (UNESCO):
ich.unesco.org/en/lists
Hellenic Influence in the East:
Greco-Bactrian Kingdom
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-B...
Greco-Buddhism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-B...
Sampul Tapestry
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampul_...
Children taught combat sports depending on idiosyncrasies:
Aristotle, Nikomachean Ethics Book 10.9
www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/t...
Swift-footed epithets:
Homer, Iliad
www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/...
Hierarchy of Combat Attributes within the Iliad
www.academia.edu/39306114/Hie...
Pindar: Isthmian 5 For Phylacidas of Aegina Pancratium
www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/t....
============================
Like, subscribe, hit the notification bell, and share the video with anyone you think might be interested. It helps the channel expand, which, in turn, will allow me to produce more content.
#pankration #history #top5 #ancientgreece #ancientgreek #myths #mma #martialarts
#PankrationMythBusters #Top5PankrationMyths #AncientGreekMartialArts #MartialArtsDebunked #PankrationTruths
#PankrationMythology #ExposingPankrationMyths #MartialArtsMythBusting #PankrationFacts #PankrationReality
#PankrationTruthOrFiction #MythBustingPankration #PankrationMartialArts #AncientGreekCombat #PankrationDebunked
#PankrationMisconceptions #FactsVsMyths #PankrationHistory #MythicalPankration #PankrationLies
#PankrationMythicalBeliefs #DispellingPankrationMyths #PankrationTruthsAndFiction #AncientGreekSports #PankrationMisunderstandings #streetfighter6 #marisa
============================
Written, Edited, Voiced by Athanasios Bonas:
Email: amopankration@gmail.com
============================
Narration by Sifis Mainas:
Vimeo: vimeo.com/user3620268
Σινε-Συμπόσιο: / @cineposium
============================
Discord: / discord
============================ - Sport
The more I listen to this and learn about ancient Greece, the more I learn nothing has changed. We love watching fighting, fights have rules, fighters train a lot, and fans love their fighters.
Love this fighting art, I’m from the UK and would love to do this, as there are no pankration gyms there are just loads of MMA gyms
These videos are just making me wish there was a way to learn about Pankration, the real Pankration of the old age.
The Greeks in the past always seemed to have one of the best mixes of focus on the body(form and function) and the mind.
Thanks for watching and, once again, do consider subscribing to the channel to help me continue making videos. Cheers
Could you give some links or name some resources to read about instructions or at least descriptions of pankration from ancient authors?
I’d like to say that wrestling especially further back, has had plenty of groundwork built in. Removing chokeholds and joint locks from it was more of an Olympics addition. Boxing only being punches is a pretty modern addition as well. Good video
When they say boxing and wrestling they are not refering to the sport of box or the sport of wrestling. They are using the general sense of strike and non-striking fighting techniques.
Amazing channel! I appreciate what you do.
this channel is excellent!
Love the work, chelu.
Excellent content 👍 Thank you
Μπράβο φίλα
EROSSO!!! 🙌🏻
Love the content amazing work especially working alone. I would love to see the revival of pankration especially seeing it in the Olympics. Is there anything we can do without financial support besides sharing the channel? For example, a petition?
Much appreciated. None that I know of, but a petition is a great idea for when I (at some point) send the application to UNESCO, to show that there is interest in the subject. Cheers
I found out about this style from Marisa from Street Fighter 6 she's a beast and this style is amazing 💪🔥🇮🇹
i beleive i understand smth and would like to put it out, Pankration seems to be a combat style formed for both sport and proper combat, it is formless and instinctive, though it does have a ruleset for athletics. it is more preferable to keep grappling when on the ground as it can prevent further self damage and can put the opponent in a position that they can only escape from by harming themselves or being smarter/luckier. it does not have strict forms like in eastern combat styles due to it being more instinct based. The better pankration fighters would most likely be more flexible than average, and more observant than others, as its styleless style encourages hitting all the weakspots on a human(unless in an athletic form) in as many ways, palm strikes on spots thay would cause brusing stunning or numbness, grapples and counter fist punching, etc etc, a true combat of being vs being, the winner being the superior fighter on an instinctive, physical, and intilectual level
nice reaserching!
That "Klimakismos" hold (I can't see the picture very well), butis it possible that it might have not been a chokehold, but a variation of a neck crank - jaw lock combo similar to the Grovit in Catch Wrestling? A move that sinches up 2 different areas simultaneously so you don't need a spot to pin them on (ground or a wall).
Very good, but I have a doubt, with the arrival of Christianity in Greece, did the Greeks continue to practice this martial art, or did they stop practicing it, because of its pagan origin? I ask this because a lot of things that were of pagan origin were sort of “erased” by the Church, at that time, like the Olympic Games, for example.
Co -opted is more like
I would posit the notion that it was the Macedonians push east under Alexander and the subsequent cultural diffusion for the following few generations of Greek culture most likely influenced the Eastern evolution of Martial Arts.
It's quite impressive to see ancient Pankration didn't have any striking on the ground. I would say that would have been a lot better for marketing for modern Mixed-Martial-Arts. See, I really can't see ground and pound being something parents would want their children to learn. The grappling yes, but not the vicious ground striking.
10:08 In Brazil, the rear naked chock is called "Lion Killer". I'm starting to understand why. Although that is not a rear naked choked, There must have been a statue of one done to a lion.
Hercules killed the lion with that choke
great video. I personally believe that the rules in Rome as in Sparta were 0 .... greetings from Italy 🇮🇹
For Rome, you are right. Sparta couldn't afford to lose their Spartiates in training, hence why so few died during the agoge. There were definitely unspoken rules; unspoken because they had to maintain their image. Cheers neighbor
It is strange that ancient Greece had martial arts such as pankration but Byzantine Greece did not continue the tradition even with new names to dissociate from the Greek gods/religion connection of it and connect to Christianity with new name.
Ancient Egypt had advanced wrestling in 2200 BC and weightlifting with sandbags but abandoned combat sports/ excercise entirely
Why is anyone's guess
I have a question. You seem to differentiate between Greek and Roman Pankration. Does this mean there were two different Pankrations with different rule sets or rather that historian incorrectly archived the ancient greek sport?
Why Tiger head and not Lions in the emblem?
I have heard the term Pankration applied to the weapons combat practiced by Greek soldiers. Is this accurate? If not, is there a separate name for weapons training?
It’s been over 8 months since your comment. Have you found out?
@@OrangeIntercourse I’m afraid not
Pankratio was literally MMA.
According to your research, does pankration ban strikes to the head whilst standing?
Negative.
Rock bully rebe tv move
Dutch
🤠👍🏿
Is pankration a sport only? Was there a battlefield type of pankration i assume the open hand strikes are only for the sport
Empty hand vs 8 foot spear
Yeah that'll work 🤣🤣
To be precise it was also used in combat with some armies having even elit forced practicing it. But only as a last resort after the hoplite lost his weapons
Have you considered that inscription defines local only or singular event rules, as contrary to your arguments you showed ground and pound depicted in art.
Lucian corroborates the rule (Lucian, Anacharsis, 8). The pottery I show does not clearly display a strike connecting while the opponent is on the ground. There is no pottery (at least none archived) that display such a scene. The pottery shown in the video are those that one could argue that seem like ground and pound, but there is no clear strike indicated, nor a mounted position. Given the plethora of pottery depicting pankration and how common ground and pound is when allowed, it would surely be depicted -- or at least far more often. It is also not mentioned in any ancient texts.
So it was more like a structure of mma but not mma
In my opinion modern pankration shouldn't even have the athletes wearing shirts
@Wanka And do you have a problem with singlets?
Drop the suits and gloves, and fight like they did (naked) maybe just short tights.
Invasive mass accent nick hostile
Shot 🔫
Chest moves responsive..
Importance that's what's important commotion if I'm on the 141 second I'm out here let's bounce
Rush lie why? Karate makuop
Hes now fit, athletic & hands up
Technically this move is kind grapple
Vanilla Sniper
Lead elbow, turn elbow back elbow & move back kick
Leg Roundhouse, Overhand
I was on my College Pankration Team for 4 Years. We were taught by the US Grand-Master of the Style. He did not allow the men to wear cups, saying that you would most likely not be wearing a cup on the street. Both men and women sparred together. I am 6' tall and 220 lbs. One time, I was paired against a 6'3" woman, who was also a Ballet dancer. She Kicked my ass.. And you guessed it, I was downed by a front Snap Kick to the Groin. NOT FUN.
Boxing, as we call it in english, tend to refer to what is more largely called western boxing, but the word boxing refers to any striking based martial arts. Similar thing to wrestling. Wrestling is the just the english word that describes what is more commonly now called grappling. Wrestling is any kind a griping, pushing, pulling, or direct control over a person's body, not just to two large modern wrestling sport of the olympics. More local wrestling arts may look more of less like the modern olympic kind, most of them focusing on stand up, but ground work certainly isn't excluded including submissions
Don't think the word "boxing" has the same meaning as it used to. Boxing today = pugilism. Same with wrestling today = greco-roman.
@@Okynous by the general public sure. I'm not as involved in the boxing world as I am with wrestling, but the term boxing within that world space is an umbrella term as I described. Boxing is also thai boxing, which some people call mauy thai and kick boxing (which itself is an umbrella term that includes any stiking art with kicks such as muay thai, K1, Dutch style, and even things like karate or TKD). Wrestling includes many different styles today such as greco roman, though the olympics also has free style, such as various folk (or local) styles of wrestling such as in the US what is just called folk style, sambo, catch wrestling, or various local arts that tend to translate their name as wrestling which a number of them include submissions not just throws or pins, some of them not having pins or throws or even both pins and throws
@@kaiceecrane3884 Right, but you wouldn't call TKD "Korean Boxing" or BJJ wrestling, in the modern meaning of those words.
@@Okynous no, you call TKD kickboxing, of which is boxing, therefore TKD is boxing. Muay thai is literally called thai boxing in Thailand. And yes, bjj is a type of wrestling
@@kaiceecrane3884 Yeah, so you're calling TKD boxing... which no one does anymore is all I'm saying. And people call BJJ grappling, rather than wrestling.
I remember it was mentioned that Alexander the Great banned his men from practicing Pankration. Is there any truth to this?
Also been practicing Pankration based on the illustrations we have (albeit the striking part). It's good to see an actual analysis of the source material.
If it helps, there's another channel reconstructing Pankration: czcams.com/video/6PdurIc6eD8/video.html
Sounds like another myth is circulating.
@@AMOPankration also just to add, I would be skeptical about the idea Ancient Greek styles of fighting spread East and influenced places like Thailand, well out of the geographical area and detracted by more than two thousand years.
@@AMOPankration please do on paknriation how to use it for war
@@AMOPankration how did greeks do bodybuilding. Why are greek pictures of athletes of small upper body and big lower body
@@BorninPurple one of Alexander's men fought against a pankration fully armored and with weapons and lost to the naked man pretty badly
So pancration is Ancient Sambo?
Pancration is Ancient sambonthe same way Sambo is old MMA. They have some similar elements, and one skillset can be transferred to the other but they are not the same.