How Häkkinen Delayed The Schumacher Dynasty: Mika vs. Michael [F1 WARS]
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- In this video we’ll explore the legendary Formula 1 rivalry of Mika Häkkinen & Michael Schumacher in the 1998 and 1999 Formula 1 seasons. Part 2 will explore the final chapter as Schumacher gets his revenge in the 2000 title battle. Subscribe for more F1 Stories: bit.ly/2T3TGbK
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TIMESTAMPS:
Setting Up The Rivalry: 0:35
Michael’s F1 Entry: 2:28
Macau Battle: 3:46
Fast Forward To Title Battles: 5:30
Suzuka Showdown-Part I: 8:21
Michael’s Bad Omen For 1999: 9:52
Schumacher Meets The Wall Of Champions: 11:43
Michael’s Broken Leg: 12:21
Suzuka Showdown-Part I: 15:18
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WOULD SCHUMACHER HAVE WON THE 1999 TITLE WITHOUT HIS INJURY? Let me know below :) Enjoy Part 1 of this legendary, but often understated battle. Subscribe for more F1 Stories: bit.ly/2T3TGbK if I earned it. Time stamps in the description.
Hay I didn't get notifications this time 😣
they aren't my biggest fan haha
@@CYMotorsport But I am🤷🏻♂️
I think it would have been very close
I really do think schumacher would have won in 1999 if he didn't brake his leg. Irvine isn't a bad driver but if he could come that close theres no question for me that Michael would have taken it...
However, i still believe Mika Häkkinen was the quickest driver that year. That Ferrari car was faster than the Mclaren and Mika still beat Irvine while having LOADS more retirements than him. Had Schumacher had the same amount of retirements as Mika, even if he was there the whole season i don't see Schumacher beating Häkkinen. But that Ferrari car was also more reliable and that's why i think Schumacher would have taken the title.
Mika just casually out-qualifying the greatest one-lapper of all time in his debut.
I thought that was so fitting. Bc they both are on a whole new level as qualifiers
Berger did the same thing on his McLaren debut. Irvine outqualified Schumacher on their Ferrari debuts 🤷♂️
@@nassaubahamas5494 You do realise that Massa wasn't as good of a driver after his accident?
He went from being great driver to being just a good one
He never reached his peak
Prime Massa is leagues above Bottas and easily on par with a lot of phenomenal drivers
@@boltmix7294 Kimi easily outdrove Bottas in 2018, and even in 2017 although Bottas beat him in the championship by quite a mile. Felipe was one of the best drivers in his younger years, look at 2006. Of course I'd say he wasn't on the same tier as Hamilton or Kimi in 2007 and 2008. If Kimi had held it together he could've won the championship twice.
@@nassaubahamas5494 WTF1 made a video explaining why these kind of comparisons are pointless. Rosberg also scored twice as many points as Schumacher in 2010, while he was beaten by Hamilton in 2014 and 2015, who was beaten by Button in 2011, who was beaten by Ralf Schumacher in 2000. Does that mean Ralf Schumacher was twice as good as Michael Schumacher?
Michael Schumacher is a absolute legend especially his time representing the Scuderia. But Mika Hakkinen in his own rights is a legend. He was consistent and always drove on the edge. Not to forget he is an absolute gentleman. One of my favorite rivalries right here. Another great video!
yeah was an all around feel good video even with MSC criticism. I saved their epic 2000 battle for it's own. just so show how much michael improved but even still, Mika was winning through 3/4 of the season! I'll get feedback and hopefully part will be even better :)
But he dropped the balls too early in 2001.
@@TheKestevon well I think in 2001 with all the reliability balls up he just realized this whole thing doesn't affect him so much anymore so he decided in Monte Carlo I think it was to retire at the end of the season. I would've loved to see him go for another few years but he did what he thought would be right to do
I put along with Kimi Raikkonen and Fernando Alonso as the only guys who could really match Schumacher, and of course he's the one who probably had the most memorable relationship with Schumacher.
@@markhenley3097 Mika fought with Michael when Michael was in his prime.
Hakkinens drive at the nurburgring in 98 was one of the most flawless races ever. A diamond under pressure
100% couldn’t agree more
he welted under the pressure of not having a dominant car so he ran away
@@davidkoreck1341 nah, he just lost motivation after achieving his lifelong goal, even Coulthard said that Hakkinen was never as motivated after '99, which makes the 2000 season even better where he almost won if it wasnt for Mclaren's incredibly garbage unreliability
Do I detect a Stroll fan ??
@@davidkoreck1341 tbf 1999 season rly showed his weaknesses. In my opinion he was very good but not Schumacher level
The late 90s in all was a great time to be an F1 fan. No drivers or teams dominated, championship battles came down to the last race, V10 engines, tire wars, even midpack teams like Jordan and Stewart won races and Murray Walker was still on the mic.
Murray might be the best of all additions listed there haha nothing like hearing him excited haha
Tire wars are a bad thing, just saying
2000s all the way
Williams won 92, 93, 94, 96, 97 constructor. Although had different WDC in each campaigns. That's why it still exciting...
Tbf the 2010s haven’t all been bad, 2010-2014 were seasons where despite Red bull winning every single one it often came close and other teams were able to compete for race wins consistently(until the tire regulation changes let Vettel get the longest win spree in F1 history)
Mika and Micheal. Grew up watching this, their rivalry is what made me love f1.
and keeps me having hope for more of these battles !
Same! I loved watching them
12:34 "It's a miracle the German only walked away with a broken leg..." Dubious choice of words there...
walked away with a broken leg.....
wait a minute.....
you got me in the first half
Mika Häkkinen. My all time favourite driver! Still in awe over THAT overtake on Schumacher at Spa in 2000.
haha really milking that in the next video. I think I'll do a separate incident analysis for it :)
Not even the greatest pass made on Schumacher, let alone one of the greatest ever. Villeneuve on Schumacher - Estoril 1996. Unbelievable. Makes the Spa 2000 pass look like a video game.
@@rupertpupkin9630 I looked it up and all i can think of is literally "hmm".
In my personal opinion that was great, but it doesnt stand a chance against Mika in Spa.
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Agreed. Well always be my favorite.
Highest quality F1 content on CZcams !
I doubt that but thanks Abdurrahman. don't let me slip!
I agree..
@@CYMotorsport well it's the stuff I most look forward to listening to.. informative, original content with good structure and editing..
there's a couple of guys that touch on a similar style of video, but they're not as good or as detailed... The work you put into these is very much appreciated...
Personally aidan millward is extremely close in terms of quality facts and presentation
@@mrmobody4765 ok I stand corrected Aidan millward cranky yankee and marc priestley are all must watch content when it comes to f1..
Hopefully people can now see just how good of a qualifier mika was, so underrated
He was UNREAL in one lap. I put him up there with Ayrton. Even more, he was nearly untouchable off the line. What I forgot was how absurdly aggressive everyone off the line was back then. Those moves were not only legal but expected. Def pushed what I understood about him here - glad you liked those parts!
I love this. I've always wanted to see a video on Mika 'The Flying Finn' Hakkinen. Thank you for making this.
glad you enjoyed it! he deserves some more love and it's refreshing to see how hard michael is pushed. it only makes him that much stronger for the 2000 season and beyond
The main reason why I got into F1 when I was 8. Love this sport so much. Thanks @CrankyYankeeF1. I can’t wait for a rivalry between Max and Charles in the incoming seasons.
It’s going to rival this for sure! Can’t wait :)
Ah, that took me back. I remember feeling every emotion Mika went through during those two years. Btw, I reckon that DC is one of the most underrated drivers around. He's a lot like Sir Stirling Moss - enough of a gentleman to back his team mate up without question - with a touch of Sir Jackie Stewart. Also a gent but more of a terrier. DC was never afraid to bite back if he felt it necessary, including towards his team and boss. He pulled off some cracking drives in his time.
Rock on part 2!
yeah he's got the best of both worlds. giving mika the win back in Australia 1998 but then staying on the race line for Schumi haha what an enigma :)
True, Coulthard was a really strong driver, a lot of drivers in the schumacher Era just didn't win the championship they deserved because they were overshadowed by schumacher and also häkkinen
DC had the best car for 4 seasons (95, 98-2000). Had plenty of chances, he simply wasn't strong enough often enough. Won 1 race in '98 and 2 in '99. Says it all. Comparing him to Stirling Moss is embarrassing 🤦♂️
@@rupertpupkin9630 have to agree he had a good enough car and just wasn't quite there to be championship material he was a good 2nd driver
@@felixone7506 so stick him in today's car he's going to be behind Hamilton and maybe verstappen even others
He wasn't quite good enough to win championships he was a good team player
Thank you for this vid. I started to really follow Formula 1 during this rivalry. It is the F1 rivalry I most identify with and it often gets overlooked.
Up with your channel and thank you I love ❤️ all the inside story's and the simplesity of your videos!!! please keep it up 💪
That’s what I’m going for! Glad you find them enjoyable Roberto :)
You do a great job young sir . Thank you for the info.
Yeah! When the notification dropped, I hit play faster than Lewis Hamilton winning pole again!
Häkkinen* :)
Thoroughly enjoyed this. Thank you very much.
Interesting, informative and very well presented. Thank You!
Glad you enjoyed it friend. much more to come soon
great video. it was a blast from the past. it was like rewatching my childhood. cant wait for the next one
These “shorter” ones are sooooo much more manageable and can easily do them in 3-4 days vs the more challenging constructs which takes as long to just write let alone edit. Keep me in the loop Saturday and you can tell me if quicker, but still fairly deep content is more attractive right now with no racing
My favorite rivalry in all of F1, Great video and cant wait for the second part!
Glad you enjoyed HarreH! Going to try a more video based approach now that I’m confident. Anything you’d want in the second one that was missing in the first part?
Dude your content never fails to impress me, keep up the wonderful work!
This one was tough. had to beat the content ID bots but I think this method works so if it holds, I'll do even more video for PART 2!
There's no other channel that I have notification turned on for, and watch the videos as soon as possible! Great job, as always :)
thanks martin! this was def a passion piece as most people aren't major fans of Mika but I like making this type to really go where not a lot of channels have. more to come!
Absolute banger of a video as per usual, have you thought of making a video about the potential breakaway series during the 2009 season- seems like a very interesting topic!
I was super close to adding it on top of the 2009 season review. the 82 threat was a bit more grippy to me so I'll address one of them at some point soon ! good suggestion :)
@@CYMotorsport sounds cool cheers boss x
I appreciate the content
I hope the next episode includes their fight in the year 2000 season
It’s ONLY the 2000 season :)
Great video, teaching me about f1 history! Love it!!
I’m glad you find them useful Kevin!
@@CYMotorsport BTW I'm a newish F1 fan, (started watching after first season of drive to survive and am now for sure a lifelong fan.) Also I'm an american like you and the fact that you are the big channel for the American F1 fandom makes me so proud to say I'm an american F1 fan!!
Also also great talk with tommo on his podcast!!
Always so impressed with your production.👍👍👍👍
glad to hear CJ :)
Nice work, man. Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it TJ!
Michael Schumacher my racing Hero since I was 6 years old, I'm now 32 in September 2020 LOL. Man time flys. I was doing his famous fist-pump every time you showed him on-screen LOL. I absolutely loved this rivalry. Mika is another driver a loved as a child. Michael Vs Mika it was the only time I didn't get annoyed when Michael was beaten in a race. Two legends that gave me tones of F1 joy in the '90s and '00s. Great video man.
Very well done sir, waiting for the next video.
thanks as always Chris!
As always, solid stuff bro.
glad you enjoyed it!
Hi and thanks 😀 much enjoyed even though I know the history it's the way you put it across it's great how you take me back there. I remember how much I hated Michael (at the time not anymore I miss him terribly now) with being a Mika Mclaren fan I remember how there rivalry kept me on the edge of my seat looking forward to the next one, you take care 🙂
That’s awesome to hear as that’s my only goal! And to remain fair anout it. More coming soon :)
As always, very well researched 👌
was a fun one !part 2 is super super heavy video. No clue how it's going to go haha coming soon
Another masterclass in CZcams Documentary story telling ... You have a great style sir
Was a fun one! Part 2 is even more of a ride :)
Good video thank you
Howdy CY,
Man, oh man. This is really good, the narrative is 9/10 easy, the graphics and presentation 10/10 also chosen subject matter for the entire channel is stellar.
Please keep it up man
Regards
Broderick
Yeah sorry man the more I play back for the 100th time , the more I see places to work on narration. It’s so unnatural for me to slow down but I’m working on it. Thank you for the feedback I know you said 9 I just want you guys to pretend you can’t hurt my feelings haha. This channel is plowing through everyone bc you all are so great and honest. But the graphs I worked out for dozens of hours to fine tune they are light years better than the previous season coverage. Always open to hearing more so thank you for watching and taking time to give me a shout!
i think you make some of the best produced f1 content on the tubes
Thank the people that called me the dumb american who doesn’t know racing for pseudo bullying me into being a decent creator 150 videos later 😂 but honestly no bs part of my channel’s allure is actually appreciating solid feedback. My old stuff really does suck. And I’m glad it’s so noticeable. I really do want to give you good content. It means a lot to me to create something you remember so I’m super thankful for you and anyone’s feedback. The community needs a dead- pan unbiased take on stats, facts and pure racing especially in these tough to navigate waters . More to come!
Wow great content, subscribed! I grew up a Schumi fan and Mika clearly was his toughest and most consistent opponent. Michael had his battles with Kimi, Montoya, Alonso etc. but the rivalry with Mika was something else. Schumacher consideres him to be the greatest rival of his entire career.
Part 2 is kicking my ass but it might be the best video I’ve ever done. If F1 let’s me post it, it’ll be live tomorrow. I’ve got it up now just seeing if they are going to make a claim first
This is the best F1 Channel on CZcams. Period
Idk why no one watched this video haha fuck I forgot about this. Turns out only a small percent care about this old battles . But I wanna make more so expect em!
Although I was born in 2000, I still think of Mika as my favorite driver of all time. Just the way he respects the sport and never let his ego get the better of him
Great content! There are many great Rivalries you can work on next. Senna vs Prost 1988-1993, Hamilton vs Ferrari 2007-2008, Alonso vs Vettel 2010&2012, Hamilton vs Vettel 2017-2018(even tho it was pretty one sided), Alonso vs MSC 2006, Alonso vs Honda(hehe) and the list goes on. Bravo Cranky!
yeah I'm excited to look at more. next are Gilles and Didier as well as Niki and Hunt
Good stuff man!
Was a fun one. I’m super pleased with how open everyone is and did my best to be fair
I just found your channel great content here! Just want to say regarding this video I do agree that Mika deserved the title in 99 and Eddie was unlucky due to the team messing up his pit stop in the European GP, I strongly believe that if Schumacher hadn't broken his leg at the British GP I think the title race would again go down to the wire in Suzuka. You got to remember that in 98 Ferrari's car wasn't that bad compared to the previous car in 97 (F310B) the problem they had was Ferrari were using Goodyears at the time and although it was the smart choice to stay with Goodyears considering Goodyears were the main tire company to supply teams for decades and Bridgestones entered the year before in 97 and fewer teams went to race with them, Bridgestone tires were performing so much better to the narrower shaped cars that the FIA have introduced for that season. So Ferrari struggled to keep up with the Mclaren's on more technical circuits like the Cataluyna track, that being said if Ferrari went with the Bridgestone for 98 instead of 99 the title race, might have ended differently. So my point is that exclude Schumacher's terrible accident that Ferrari the F399 is basically an evolved version of the F300 in 98 but with Bridgestone tires, I seriously think Schumacher could have won that years title.
Great content yet again
thanks Bradley - more on the way .
Love your stories 😊 / "reviews"
Can you make 2017? How the title-fight changed... after singapore
that's on my list. How Ferrari blew the title period. should be a good one!
Your videos are really great, thx mate!
But I have to say, even though I don't have OCD that flag alignment at 6:23 made me squirm 😂
Damn it I can not un see it now haha. I swear with each video my ocd gets worse haha this would never happen today
This vídeo is very well produced :)
glad you enjoyed it! part 2 coming soon
I Was looking forward to this video
I've wanted to make this series for years haha happy to get around to it and have a channel large enough I can cover Michael critical at times without being spiked. thanks for your support!
Since I only started watching F1 in 2017, this is very interesting learning about past seasons and rivalries, makes me want to do more research and watch some older races, like I got F1 tv and with no live racing on I've watched the 2010 and 2011 seasons and I'm now on the 2012 season, and I'm only 3 races in and it's already such an amazing season
Yeah I’ve done those reviews they are nuts! Almost feels like a different F1. I highly recommend you watching as many of the 2000 season races you can . Japan in 1998,1999, and 2000 are all great! Here’s my playlist - they take dozens of hours so I’ve only knocked out 3 but if you like long form content you might enjoy it: czcams.com/play/PLQtJwn1M4Fe2AYUvfDqVQS3Lbj80JxMak.html
CrankyYankeeF1 Actually watching your 2010 review gave me the idea to go back and watch the 2010 season on f1 tv, then with no live racing I just went on to the next season
Great video!
Thanks Sam! everyone is doing great with the feedback so adapting things more and more as I go :)
I loved this rivarly as a kid. We watched every GP with my dad screaming for Häkkinen like crazy while cursing Schumacher 😂
I can't get enough of your channel. Any chance you can do a video on rubens barrichello? :3
Love American F1 channels. It's just cool seeing someone on this side of the oceans who enjoys it too. I mention F1 to my friends and they look at me like I have five heads.
Stellar quality per par. Not my cup of tea regarding the topic as I don’t particularly care for either of these drivers but as always you know I’m here to support you.
thanks sir! yeah that's the problem with this type of content. but I planned for this so it's all good! the next one will do even worse bc it's about Gilles and I'm pretty sure many fans don't even know he was a driver haha but gotta show some range!
Noice vid m8 , (I just wanna add to the comments count)
Nothing wrong with that pal! You do whatever you feel is appropriate. I appreciate your consideration and understanding how even that stuff helps. It really does :)
Yooo Cranky. We need a video like this but for the 2008 season.
Last week I was explaining to my gf why the 08 season was such a roller-coaster and as I was looking up the results of that year I was imagining in my head how you'd tell the story, how LH and FM made mistakes all year long while also delivering memorable drives, how Alonso's leave from McLaren made Lewis the absolute no. 1, the heat inside Ferrari, the controversies of strategies and how it all came down to THAT final lap.
I got you :) the 2000 season and final installment of Mika vs Michael has been wild but it’ll be up tomorrow. Then On to the next :)
Some say that Michael let Hakkinen win at Suzuka in 1999 because he didn’t want Eddie Irvine to win the championship 😂 but anyway very good video, and Mika was incredible in the late 1990s, underrated driver
hahah honestly i wouldn't put it too far outside reality :)
great video
Thanks for checking it out !
Me my friend and my cousins who love F1 are thanking me for suggesting this channel!! Content here is Gem to watch😍
And about this video!? Mika ❤️ and Shumi❤️ one of my favourite Rivalry 😍
means a lot and sharing crushes it! CZcams is not my biggest fan haha
@@CYMotorsport Haha Damn you CZcams!
@@shreeshashastry4713 ah well. this is why people quit. aint happening here though haha nice try guys
CrankyYankeeF1 you should do Schumi and Hill for me its the most controversial rivalry just because of 94 then the 97 suzuka incident those 2 were just always at each others throats in the car
Nice video bro
Thanks as always! let me know If I can make it better and I'll have part 2 ready Saturday and more rivalries on the way
Well, I was born and grew up in Macau, so I already love this video as you mention it lol ( I was definitely not born then lol). Sick vid tho!
I feel like no one mentions this mini fight they had but it def set the tone! glad you enjoyed ! more coming soon :)
The one driver Michael feared was Mika Hakkinen
I just know this video is going to be good
make sure to let me know where I can improve! this is a brand new series so working out the concepts and wrinkles is key. that way I can make part 2 awesome!
@@CYMotorsport just with the title, Im not sure if this is Part 1 of Hakkinen vs Michael or Part 1 of the series. If it is Part 1 of the series then maybe call it F1 Rivals: Part 1 - Hakkinen vs Schumacher.
I found your channel recently and am very impressed with the production quality and research. You're onto a winning formula. Well done sir
@@santoshsookgrim2786 awesome feedback! let me play around with that. appreciate the input! and welcome friend!
Schumacher and Hakkinen's rivalry was the last era in which F1 was still the real deal. Everything that followed - traction control from 2001, which made the cars basically point and floor; the dominance of sterile, obscenely wide Tilke circuits; Suzuka and Spa becoming shadows of their former supreme selves, what with the 130R being altered into oblivion and the infamous Bus Stop Chicane being taken out; F1 cars sounding like vacuum cleaners; the abomination that is DSR; the sport basically being taken over by teenagers - all of this killed my love for the sport.
Now I get my kicks watching the WRC, which since 2017 with the rule changes to the cars, has been awesome.
Haha yeah, I’m trying to make a really solid 2000 season final year video and post it tonight to reflect this great fight !
@@CYMotorsport Thank you. That sounds awesome.
I'm a Hakkinen die-hard, so although the 1998 and '99 seasons are supposed to represent the apotheosis for me, I actually prefer the 2000 season, despite the fact that Hakkinen lost the Championship to Schumacher. That 2000 season is just legendary for the amount of close fights those two had. The Suzuka qualifying session of that year might be my personal peak from watching F1 live; I couldn't believe how close they were, exchanging 100s and even 1000s of seconds between them, and how hard they pushed each other. It might be the greatest qualifying session of all time.
Looking forward to your video.
Great content as always. However, i would refute the claim that Irvine had a great season. It was impressive to see him win on 4 occasions, but the closes he was to winning on merit that year was Austria, and even then the two McLarens crashed on lap one. Hakkinen later demonstrated incredible pace to fight back to P3. Hindsight suggests he could have won that race at a canter.
Irvine won in Australia largely due to a race of incredible attrition. In Germany, stand in teammate Salo relinquished a lead to him after Mika retired from a comfortable P1 after a high speed rear tyre failure. Finally, in Malaysia, Schumacher put the car on pole by a second in his comeback (clearly a statement in isolation) and then moved aside for Irvine to take victory. The only thing impressive about Irvine’s 4 victories was the fact he’d actually done something not many expected he could do which was to win through a season. The pressure Mika was feeling was internal that year, McLaren was lightning quick but often let him down rather Irvine rising to an occasion.
I should point out that 1) Mika is probably my all time favourite driver so there may be bias involved. But also 2) Irvine’s hometown of Conlig is a leisurely 20 minute walk from my house! It would have been nice to have a hometown hero but it would not have been entirely earned in my opinion.
Haha either way you seem open regardless so I’m always okay with bias as long as there’s consideration. You seem highly thoughtful and calculated. I genuinely encourage you to bake in the amount of times Irvine played defense for Michael in98. If I quote it I genuinely think you’d have a hard time believing me. But then some of your micro examples have holes. Firstly, attrition doesn’t automatically mean “luck” per say. Mechanical failure is apart of racing. Being there to take advantage is really all you can take. But you can’t penalize a driver for everyone else having failure. Also, Australia for example. Michael made a mistake. He beat him on merit 100%. In fact, Mika stalled too directly in front of Michael haha. I included two separate examples of video footage of Irvine letting Michael through just to cover off this objection. I do get where you’re coming from but it’s confirmation bias to a degree. You’re doing the work arguing for Michael but not the same points in the counter. I hope you don’t take this as me being confrontational. As You can likely tell from my content, I get hyper invested and it comes out like this haha. But I’m 100% open to all arguments, of course. But the data cuts against Michael crucially if giving position away is being baked into the cake. Michael had 4 wins in 2000 where a McLaren driver didn’t finish. On Brazil alone none of the other top 3 finished. See what I mean? I’m not using that as a firm argument either. Simply that it’s of course not that simple . Thanks for your thoughtful comment mate - as you can tell these convos are fun as I don’t get pushed like this often
CrankyYankeeF1 I would agree with you that attrition is more than just luck, and i would also agree with you that Irvine WAS in the right place and performed admirably enough to be the beneficiary of the issues to other drivers in that race. Looking back, Irvine rightfully won and deserved his 1999 Australia victory for these reasons.
I think the over-arching point i’m making is that, had Irvine won that title, it may not be looked back upon by fans as a... “deserved”(? - is the the right word without sounding harsh) victory. I’m all tor the argument that if the title is won, then it’s won plain and simple and said driver earned it, but in formula 1 some drivers earn them more than others and had Irvine been WDC in ‘99 it’s probably not guaranteed people would remember it fondly.
I should say, i’m very glad you point out the opposite to most journalists in this video. Many are quick to say Schumacher would have won the championship that year easily, with regards to the fact the ferrari was more reliable and “the quickest car on average” that year, but it was a relief o hear you mention Hakkinen’s fantastic early summer form that year and the momentum he had at the point of MSC’s accident - props!
Eagerly awaiting Episode 2. Like i said your content is spectacular, and i promise i wont engage you in another huge debate next time around! All the best!
I don't agree that mika would win if michael was still there for all season in 1999 but it's okay to have different opinions. Very nice video, we wait for part 2!! :D
that's great that we disagree! I'm open to anything I def don't know everything :)
@@CYMotorsport As far as I remember the 1999 season after MSC was out on injury me and my friends got the feeling, and just like someone said it back then, that nobody wanted to win that title (bar Eddie). Just a feeling but we really thought that watching the rest of the season.
2000 was great though. Can't wait for your recap.
And Michael wouldn't win in 2000 if Mika didn't get engine failures while leading or catching up 🤦
Love Hakkinen! Cool head, dramatic skills.
Stay well yank! 🍀
thanks blacktooth! yeah he's def an underrated one somehow
Ron has work with so many legends.
Great video. Could maybe do a bit more even, with the key dramatic beats (with help from music, footage, storytelling). But to be honest, the factual tone here is great and fits the topic perfectly. No real need to overly dramatise it, but just a thought.
A few things about Mika - I feel people ignore the psychology of high performance sports when they state that Schumi would have easily taken '99 were it not for his injury. The impact for Hakkinen of Michael being out of the picture was surely huge and would affect the rest of his season massively, whether he wanted it or not. He was (expected) to simply bring it home at that point, and it is often a much harder position to be in when it comes to these sorts of levels of competition. It is an unavoidable change in the subconcious and is well researched. Then there are a hundred other variables in play too; who knows if DC would have been there to collide with Mika in Austria, for example. It is entirely impossible to predict what would have happened and is purely emotion-based guessing if attempted. It certainly looked close, and it was a shame from a pure rivalry point of view, but that's about it for what we can say for certain.
Another thing worth mentioning when talking about Hakkinen is his massive crash in Adelaide '95. He nearly died and was never quite the same after, in my opinion both in good and bad. He probably became a bit more cautious and consistent, but I feel he never quite got over the dangers of racing side of it. He has openly stated that is why he retired so early as well. You could really see it in 2001, after having one of his best years in 2000 yet just losing out (and having defended his championship), he was emotionally entirely done. That is not common for drivers, certainly not at that age, and it goes a long way of showing how much he had to deal with having had the accident earlier on. It's worth considering, then, how much of an immense achievement it was for him to rise back up to that level and win those championships against one of the all time greats.
Personally, these two are the top of the F1 history, along with Senna, Clark, Prost, Fangio, etc.
Went back and forth a fair bit on music. It’s actually my favorite part of videos for me haha but I thank my provider for their artistic library solely. But big believer in mood. You nailed it with the tone. Next one will have more inflections bc it’s going to be clearly a MSC vantage point story.
As for the rest, nothing to add bc it’s on the money. The best brought out the best. They both knew that and it’s why I think Michael loved when Mika was on form. Their moment especially after spa when he first calls him “the Michael” will forever stick with me. Also his 95 wreck was absurdly instrumental in his career. I didn’t feel I could do it justice and considering I found no place for it in this overall condensed narrative, I just left it. But commenting on the why bc you are on the nose and should people read this exchange hopefully it force a double click to understand even more what made Mika genuinely so special. I just couldn’t bear showing his bloody face. Similar to massa’s 2009. I avoided it at all costs. Crazy how they get back in the cockpit despite being on such a scary end of it going wrong
what Hakkinen did is something that ww would have never expected it at that moment, he was just insanely good, but it was a shame that in 1999 he fought the title with Irvine instead of Schumacher, even tho props to Irvine since it was a very very close finale
schumacher would have won 1999 with that car
When you think about it looks like Schumacher was under massive pressure post 1997 to deliver for Ferrari, which may have led to some of his lapses in Spa / Suzuka 1998.
I totally agree. and the regulation changes in 2001 they nailed it
Oh the best duel 🤺 of the best era between 2 of the best teams and 2 of drivers are f all times i am 30 but I remember it 💔
this is the tail end of my favorite era too. really awesome stuff. you'll see in part 2 how heavy video I go to honor it!
Sidenote here: Häkkinen wasn't relagated because of Andretti, but because of Senna. See, when Senna failed to get that Williams drive thanks to Alain Prost, he made Ron Dennis wait...and wait...and wait until Senna finally made up his mind. But there was a catch - since he was unconvinced by the MP4/8 powered by an inferior Ford Cosworth engine, the deal was on race-by-race basis, meaning that he can walk out whenever he wanted. But after two wins in Interlagos and Donnington (two rain soaked races mind you) Senna remained with McLaren for the remainder of the season and Mika got his contractual drive only after Andretti was shown the door.
Great nuance added here! That’s exactly what I meant but I don’t have the time to add those bits . Exactly what comments are for so thank you for leaving this :)
1 Great Video
2 1998 was so unlucky in Spa and suzuka with Schumacher :(
But Mika is really symphatic
I almost cried genuinely when Michael broke down talking about passing Ayrton's win record and Mika wrapped his arm around him asking for a break even before his freaking brother could do it sitting right next to him haha they really respected eachother
@@CYMotorsport yea that was a true class act from Häkkinen
So unlucky for Fernando in Spa and Suzuka 2012.
@@CYMotorsport A link to that? Or something to search? Really really wanna see.
@@kan1an168 czcams.com/video/7bXDfWhAUog/video.html
9:56 Actually, Schumi didn't start from pole he started from 3rd
Correct my bad. You can actually see his grid start too so was waiting for this haha. Good catch. He still stalled and dropped back but qualified P3
@@CYMotorsport Everything you said is true with the exception of the grid position. Once again, another great video
@@viandramonisyaf8623 damn itttttttt those little ones are SOOO hard hahah i'll get a perfect video one day haha good eyes my man!
@@CYMotorsport Dw I know everyone's not perfect and if there is factual information that you got it wrong at, your subs are here to help 😁
Best years of F1
The fact that the title race was so close means that so many things little and large could alter the winner like:
- Irvines horrendous pit stop at the European GP
- Frentzen braking down on the last lap in Brazil and still being classified as third
- Badoer braking down at the Nürburgring
- Hakkinen not being punished for a jump start in Belgium
The 1999 season is the most underrated season in F1 history.
It is not as good as the 2008, 2012, 1982, 2010 or the 1997 season but it is up there.
It’s insanely underrated. Irvine most of all tbh
@0:42 - The 1996 Williams was revolutionary, halo, DRS, V6 Hybrid :D
Best era of the pre-modern/modern F1
Mika was one of the reasons I support McLaren. The first McLaren champ I was old enough to remember. Something about the way Finns drive man.
really its just that - they drive. no bull shit. nothing. check out part 2 out today!
CrankyYankeeF1 "it's really just a hobby to me" Kimi
Imagine having one of the few seats on the grid of the highest Motorsports championship and treating it as a hobby
One of the most underrated Champions ever.
Great video, agree on all points but disagree on one thing , the Ferrari was more developed as the season went on, Irvine and Salo both done a fantastic job while Hakkinen cracked under pressure (think of Monza) when Schumacher returned he took a commanding pole position by almost a second , I believe without a broken leg Schumacher would of won the 1999 championship.
Where's part 2!! lol, past the time you said!
Yeah it got smoked as predicted by claims but I promise you the video is not only going to be ready for you, it’s done haha I’m simply making sure it sticks. It’s super super super heavy video. About 30% which in F1 world genuinely is impossible. But I think I’ve cracked it. I may just post it in the next few hours screw the poor Time I just want you all to have it. But I promise you either here in a couple hours or first thing in my
Am. All depends on how nicely they play with the video
I grew up with this rivalry. I will cherrish these moments till the end.
"Because obviously he would not have give me the space" *looks at Schumi* "Right?"
"Yeah"
Those two were the best, nobody can touch them. Still waiting for that sabbatical to end.
This content is keeping me going without the real F1 season!
That and playing F1 2019 haha
Haha I’m on it! What a great combo!
The most succesful finn in f1, mika hakkinen, and listen to his podcast it was quite an insight of what he is going through and his mentality
I have no clue why millions haven’t seen it but it’s a great one!
What's the name of Mika's podcast or do you have a link to it?
@@cynicalskeptic what I meant is beyond the grid podcast by f1 with hakkinen as the guest just type beyond the grid mika hakkinen
AHH Those used to be the glory days for f1
Clicked faster than your channel is growing
Faster than the Finn off the line in '98
Mika was one of the great front-runners of all time. In a strong car, on pole, full of confidence, he was pretty much invincible. When things weren't going his way he could be a bit streaky.
Mika is one helluva roll model. Class act all around.
Great video and a good summary of these two carrers. I am just confused why you didn´t mention the 98 Belgian GP which was a huge deal back then. And then you point out Michaels mistakes and showing the pic of him in Belgium. Sorry, there i disagree.
Then again the 1999 season. Yes, it was by far the best Ferrari season for Irvine. But from the three victories after Michaels accident two of them were given to him by the team mates. Michael gave him the win in Malaysia and Mika Salo handed him the win in Germany. Salo, the reserve driver. But then again, this is just a summary of 17 minutes and it is just not possible to go too much into detail.
haha there ya go at the end - spot on! I can't say much more about belgian than what is known. I'm certainly not going to speculate. as far as positions go, I could list off the positions and wins given to michael, too. In '98, Eddie's job was almost exclusively "push the pack" and hold up McLaren's he gave two winning positions that are undeniable to michael as well in that one season. I respect where you're coming from! but I've noticed with michael, people tend to forget how much was given to him in very small ways. Absolutely nothing against him - in fact my newest video is more a tribute to him. but it's important to balance out the idea that eddie's wins were giving by putting michael's help on the same benchmark. I don't see it that way though so I didn't break it down.
Would love a vid on DC's career, believe he had a few wins before Mika so would be interesting to see why he left Williams to play second fiddle to Mika.. Would he have won a championship if he'd stayed at williams?
long long long long story haha that's a good one. though i fear not many would want to watch. those that due would be in for a treat though
Can you do a video on the 2002 Red Bull driver search?
:)
@@CYMotorsport Thank you.i wanted to know how Scott Speed got into F1.
@@kurtperleberf6983 your wish has finally come true. czcams.com/video/PlN6sV08Aps/video.html
I haven't watched F1 that much after Mika and Michael retired. It's just not the same. These two guys are the last glorious F1 for me.
My grandfather won the Macau GP in 1960 in a Jag XKSS.
Let’s see here - so Martin Redfern?
CrankyYankeeF1
That’s him (my name on my birth certificate also).
Grant Wolfkill did an article called “the race of my life” (or something similar) where he recalls that race, which I have a copy of somewhere, but am struggling to find online.
My father passed on to me that the Ferrari that was 3rd (if memory serves) finished with more fuel than was put in the car at the last pit stop. Had this pit stop not happened, the Ferrari would have won.
The XKSS has an interesting story. There was a run of 25, which got halfway through before the factory burned down, ending the run and destroying some of the specs. The run was finished this century. The story is on 4od to watch. The XKSS was the road going version of the D-type.
Steve McQueen sold his XKSS in the 70’s for over $1M. Rumour has it my grandfather’s (he never owned the car) sold within the last 5 years for $13M, though this is unverified.
Crankie are you available for hire? I'm looking for a voice narrator for an in depth guide video
shoot me an email - my channel name at gmail .com
Who was better? Well over one lap i would pick Mika any day of the week but schumacher might have been a bit more consistant over a season but not by much. They are both legends of the sport for a reason
I'd have to agree with you here!
Schumi and Häkkinen was the best rivalry in F1 history imho.
German-Finnish Friendship forever.
Excellent video! But I kinda disagree about Schumacher chances. Mika momentum wasn't that great of you consider his poor performances in Nurburgring and Monza that year. And Eddie won in Germany and Malaysia due team orders. Of course we can only speculate about Schumacher's performance if he hadn't had broken his leg, but he could be in very strong position in Suzuka to fight for the championship. Not sure if would achieve though, given Hakkinen's mega drive in that race
He was beating Michael. And Eddie was tied. He had a double digit swing. Anything after michaels injury that Mika did can’t necessarily be applied. Though there’s certainly a case to be made. The point was if you layered over last years result, actually eddie would have done better if you went silverstone forward. Michael had such a strong position by round 7 last year bc he was so strong early. He was behind where he was in 98 so there’s no reason to think he was magically better in 99 if he was trailing his performance from 98. Im open to hearing all sides of course! But I totally see how it’s easy to jump to “well if Eddie was so close imagine Michael” but that’s illogical. Take McLaren in 2001 for example. Mika was much better than DC. But it was dc who got more out of a fledgling car in 2001. Michael is a great driver but he’s beatable in the right circumstances. He was off his game I know people hate hearing that. But same with Lewis in 2016. He wasn’t totally in it through 5 and it crushed him despite his ending. It’s just a red herring using his leg as cover for possibly winning. But again I’m open to hearing the data side! I think there’s a case to be made
i miss early 2000 with mika and micheal battles