I would have really liked to see Padmé turn against Anakin like that. I also think having Grevious turn out to be Maul had some serious potential. Especially given Obi-Wan and Maul's history. And the fact that Obi-Wan dealt the killing blow to Grevious. Could have been interesting for sure.
Yeah I might agree with you that Grevious is actually Maul would've been mind blowing and an iconic plottwist, but the more I thought about it I think its just better that Grevious is just his own character and that Maul returned in Solo and Rebels, and tbh I would rather see Obi-wan and Maul have a final moment like in Rebels than rather getting shot and then explode before Obi-Wan is saying "welp that's done" and leaves XD
@@m0urn1ng5tar5 sorry to break it to you, there wont be one, unless its the adaptation of the rebels encounter the canon story tells that maul didnt know obiwan is alive after order 66, he has not seen him since, so any fight there is impossible, and before the empire, during clone wars, we got it all covered, they fought on 2 occasions, with much personal dislike and it showed
The idea that General Grievous would've been an alias/disguise for Darth Maul is actually pretty cool. It would've made for an awesome reveal, during the battle with Obi-Wan on Utapau. I imagine a shocked widening of Obi-Wan's eyes at the revelation, followed by a sarcastic, semi-funny remark when he finally kills the villain. (2/28/2023)
@@ben_ten1015 The kind of people, who like to remember exactly when they said something, and to look back on how much their lives might have changed since typing the comment. (5/17/2023)
4:40 In the Legends book series "Jedi Apprentice" the third book "The Hidden Past" mentions among the memories Obi-Wan tried to keep when resisting a memory wipe (which was doomed anyway thanks to a special stone Qui-Gon gave him) was that "his brother's name was Owen" so at the very least Obi-Wan having a brother named Owen may still be in the cards.
I wish Maul was the villain again in episode 2! It would have allowed Obi Wan’s character to explore his anger and choose the light in contrast to Anakin choosing the dark side. Also having them both have feelings for Padme would have made so much sense to humanize the Jedi as well as why Anakin had so much hatred towards him.
In one of George Lucas' idea for the sequel trilogy Maul was supposed to be the main villain, Crimson Dawn became so big they were the threat to the new republic and he was gonna have Darth Talon be his apprentice with a new Jedi order which I think could've worked
There was an old Star Wars source book back in the 80s - from back before Sith was a term to refer to dark Jedi - that said Boba Fett was one of the Sith, the people who Darth Vader ruled over. Quite a few things changed with Star Wars over the years...
Back in the early 80s (before 83), we thought episodes 7 to 9 were going to continue the story of episodes 4 to 6. So there was reasonable conjecture that Luke would join Vader, and the last trilogy would be the story of the other one. Are you sure Boba Fett wasn't supposed to be Han's brother? A Starlog interview with original Boba Fett posed that question. I still think Han and Chewie met on the Death Star while it was being constructed.
I remember long ago, like 79 or 80 hearing that "Obi Wan and Vader got into a fight in a volcano and Obi Wan pushed Vader in, that's why he wears his armor" so they did have some of this stuff planned.
@@Dragonette666 Lucas definitely had a rough idea of how all these events came together into a cohesive picture. I think it was just missing any kind of real detail. Still, it was a smart idea to plant seeds early and, if given the chance, to follow up when the time was right.
Eh...the official stance on Anakin's conception seems to be Plagueis did it or The Force created Anakin as a counter to Plagueis meddling with midichlorians. Cuz why wait at least 9 years to collect him or her if you created your perfect Sith apprentice? The inclusion of Grogu into canon does make the "Plagueis did it, but didn't know it worked" take more plausible since Grogu then becomes The Force's response since they're the same age.
IIRC in the Vader comic line they did show that Palpatine use the force to create Anakin (or something like that). Which would really make the Ray and Kylo relationship a bit weirder.
The Maul becomes Grievous is a good idea. I never liked that they killed him off so quickly And then had to make him a half robot when they realized how popular he was. The Padme turns on Anakin and the Anakin/Padme/Obi wan love triangle is a good idea. It harkens back to Anakin losing his mother/unable to save her, and that his friends really may be stabbing him in the back, not just his imagination. I’m not enamored with his accusations against Obi wan as they come across as just being paranoid crazy, but had there been some substance there...Vader was never paranoid/crazy, just driven. It would explain better why he went full on Empire- to get his revenge on those that truly wronged him.
@@mulliano420 I also Wouldn’t have had Luke and Leia named on screen. That way, nobody would realize they were the twins until much later, if viewing the films in numbered order. Viewers wouldn’t even know Luke was a Skywalker until he rescues Leia and says “I’m Luke Skywalker, I’m here to rescue you!” halfway through the original film. The way things are now, the surprises we encountered upon viewing the films in release order are mostly gone.
It could’ve worked in theory but Obi Wan is over 10 years older than Padme, so there likely would’ve been some taboo around that because she was a minor when they met
Am I the only one who thinks that Anakin's fall should've been more based on Michael Corleone's fall in Godfather? Imagine if they skipped the "kid Anakin" nonsense and just had him start out as an idealistic Jedi recruit of Obi-Wan's who gets more and more corrupted as the 3 movies go on. As amazing as the Clone Wars TV show was, even it presents him as a good guy all the way through. Anakin's 5 minute journey to the Dark Side in episode III bothers me even more than Jar Jar and the god awful "I hate sand" monolouge.
The line in the Return of the Jedi novel about Owen being Obi Wan's brother occurred oddly enough on shudder.........PAGE 66!!!!! Seriously lol check it out!
I get why they didn't go with Han's novel origin, at least the part of him being from wealth, but they could have used the rest where he's essentially a cabin boy raised by Dewlanna.
Rei being Obiwan's niece would have been cool. It would have explained the accent, and Luke Skywalker getting the same lightsaber twice from a Kenobi would have made sense.
Most of these things make the entire Skywalker Saga far better than it eventually turned out. And thats not Disney's fault. I lay this directly at George's feet. His personal baggage affected the plot far more than most will admit. And a great portion of that is stuff that led directly to the silliness of the sequels.
I don't remember the conversation well but I thought Kenobi was talking about Anakin as his figurative brother. I didn't think he meant he had a literal brother.
George Lucas also scraped out Princess leila bloodline of the force, which she is a twin of Luke and her father anakin Skywalker. Also, jar jar banks were totally jedi throughout the comics, but he did decide not to do in the movie instead.
Darth Maul was killed ! Cut in half ,fall down a shaft high enough to terminate him, then Mace Windu inspects the body. He was dead. Mace was smart enough to know a dead body.
I liked the old Jedi novelization way better, Owen and Ben being brothers. Geroge went far too cliche and direct with Owen being step-brother, ergo uncle. And Liea was adopted. Her princess moniker could have been from Alderaan's ruling family, Bail Organa. Naboo electing a queen every 5 years??? Kinda dumb there, George.
We all know how this ends if you’re asking us, Alex. Just get your name on the list already. It would be most useful to me as a viewer if you tend to get motion sickness and their new tech that’s supposed to mitigate that makes a difference. (Not that I want you to vom.). Not interested in the new Studios?
If you read the book Darth Plageus, it is revealed that Plageus and Palpatine were why Anakin was created. It was the forces direct response to them using the dark side to begin the final plan of the Sith and the rule of 2 to take over the universe
I would have really liked to see Padmé turn against Anakin like that. I also think having Grevious turn out to be Maul had some serious potential. Especially given Obi-Wan and Maul's history. And the fact that Obi-Wan dealt the killing blow to Grevious. Could have been interesting for sure.
Yeah I might agree with you that Grevious is actually Maul would've been mind blowing and an iconic plottwist, but the more I thought about it I think its just better that Grevious is just his own character and that Maul returned in Solo and Rebels, and tbh I would rather see Obi-wan and Maul have a final moment like in Rebels than rather getting shot and then explode before Obi-Wan is saying "welp that's done" and leaves XD
@@denizplays1307 Yeah it has its pros and cons. And I'm with you, I really wanna see the final showdown between the two in live action.
@@m0urn1ng5tar5 sorry to break it to you, there wont be one, unless its the adaptation of the rebels encounter
the canon story tells that maul didnt know obiwan is alive after order 66, he has not seen him since, so any fight there is impossible, and before the empire, during clone wars, we got it all covered, they fought on 2 occasions, with much personal dislike and it showed
@@denizplays1307 I just like grievous’s backstory
If Luke knew what Disney had planned for him, I think he'd have gone to the Dark side in a heart beat
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Letting grievous being his own character was a good idea.
The idea that General Grievous would've been an alias/disguise for Darth Maul is actually pretty cool. It would've made for an awesome reveal, during the battle with Obi-Wan on Utapau. I imagine a shocked widening of Obi-Wan's eyes at the revelation, followed by a sarcastic, semi-funny remark when he finally kills the villain. (2/28/2023)
its better that it didnt happen because current maul and what they did with him is a top character in all of star wars
what kind of people mark the date of their comment💀
@@ben_ten1015 The kind of people, who like to remember exactly when they said something, and to look back on how much their lives might have changed since typing the comment. (5/17/2023)
@@daniellemusella1594 alright cringey you'll totally have forgot about this but hey live in your tiny world if you want💀😂
@@daniellemusella1594type of people? You mean person. You are on your own with this one
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In the Legends book series "Jedi Apprentice" the third book "The Hidden Past" mentions among the memories Obi-Wan tried to keep when resisting a memory wipe (which was doomed anyway thanks to a special stone Qui-Gon gave him) was that "his brother's name was Owen" so at the very least Obi-Wan having a brother named Owen may still be in the cards.
The thumbnail is what you hear when you're watching Star Wars with someone who's never even heard of it
I wish Maul was the villain again in episode 2! It would have allowed Obi Wan’s character to explore his anger and choose the light in contrast to Anakin choosing the dark side. Also having them both have feelings for Padme would have made so much sense to humanize the Jedi as well as why Anakin had so much hatred towards him.
In one of George Lucas' idea for the sequel trilogy Maul was supposed to be the main villain, Crimson Dawn became so big they were the threat to the new republic and he was gonna have Darth Talon be his apprentice with a new Jedi order which I think could've worked
Obi Wan had feelings for Anakin.
There was an old Star Wars source book back in the 80s - from back before Sith was a term to refer to dark Jedi - that said Boba Fett was one of the Sith, the people who Darth Vader ruled over.
Quite a few things changed with Star Wars over the years...
Greivous is Maul would have been a cool twist and made more sense than this new bad guy suddenly coming out of nowhere.
what lol
a war general leading the army of droids.... is a bad guy coming out of nowhere?
the twist makes so much less sense
@@alexo_pog Lol yeah, before ROTS Greivous did not exist.
@@lookingforwookiecopilot bro what, have you ever seen the 2003 clone wars
@@RandomEnjoyer118 Nope
@@lookingforwookiecopilot Ok but just so you know it included general greivous
The only one that I feel could have worked out was Padmé eventually turning against Anakin.
Would've given her so much more agency in that film.
Back in the early 80s (before 83), we thought episodes 7 to 9 were going to continue the story of episodes 4 to 6. So there was reasonable conjecture that Luke would join Vader, and the last trilogy would be the story of the other one.
Are you sure Boba Fett wasn't supposed to be Han's brother? A Starlog interview with original Boba Fett posed that question.
I still think Han and Chewie met on the Death Star while it was being constructed.
I remember long ago, like 79 or 80 hearing that "Obi Wan and Vader got into a fight in a volcano and Obi Wan pushed Vader in, that's why he wears his armor" so they did have some of this stuff planned.
@@Dragonette666 Lucas definitely had a rough idea of how all these events came together into a cohesive picture. I think it was just missing any kind of real detail. Still, it was a smart idea to plant seeds early and, if given the chance, to follow up when the time was right.
I just love the way you said "bros"
Um, is this video from before they DID make palpatine and plagueis have created Anakin thru the force?
That was only in one of the comic books or novels, not in the films or TV series. (ie Legends not Canon)
Since when was Palpatine NOT the creator of Anakin?!?
Eh...the official stance on Anakin's conception seems to be Plagueis did it or The Force created Anakin as a counter to Plagueis meddling with midichlorians. Cuz why wait at least 9 years to collect him or her if you created your perfect Sith apprentice?
The inclusion of Grogu into canon does make the "Plagueis did it, but didn't know it worked" take more plausible since Grogu then becomes The Force's response since they're the same age.
IIRC in the Vader comic line they did show that Palpatine use the force to create Anakin (or something like that). Which would really make the Ray and Kylo relationship a bit weirder.
The Maul becomes Grievous is a good idea. I never liked that they killed him off so quickly
And then had to make him a half robot when they realized how popular he was. The Padme turns on Anakin and the Anakin/Padme/Obi wan love triangle is a good idea. It harkens back to Anakin losing his mother/unable to save her, and that his friends really may be stabbing him in the back, not just his imagination. I’m not enamored with his accusations against Obi wan as they come across as just being paranoid crazy, but had there been some substance there...Vader was never paranoid/crazy, just driven. It would explain better why he went full on Empire- to get his revenge on those that truly wronged him.
Exactly! The movie feels like stuff happens just to line up with the O.T. when if they tweaked a few things it’d be much more realistic
@@mulliano420 I also Wouldn’t have had Luke and Leia named on screen. That way, nobody would realize they were the twins until much later, if viewing the films in numbered order. Viewers wouldn’t even know Luke was a Skywalker until he rescues Leia and says “I’m Luke Skywalker, I’m here to rescue you!” halfway through the original film. The way things are now, the surprises we encountered upon viewing the films in release order are mostly gone.
Yeah, as much as I'd have preferred it, Darth Maul secretly being General Grievous would have made too much more sense.
Given the way he spoke to Leia about her, I think Obi-Wan did have feelings for padme, he simply never acted on them.
It could’ve worked in theory but Obi Wan is over 10 years older than Padme, so there likely would’ve been some taboo around that because she was a minor when they met
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What about jarjar binx being a sith lord?
They should have done the Anakin, Padme, Obi-wan triangle. Would have motivated
Am I the only one who thinks that Anakin's fall should've been more based on Michael Corleone's fall in Godfather?
Imagine if they skipped the "kid Anakin" nonsense and just had him start out as an idealistic Jedi recruit of Obi-Wan's who gets more and more corrupted as the 3 movies go on. As amazing as the Clone Wars TV show was, even it presents him as a good guy all the way through.
Anakin's 5 minute journey to the Dark Side in episode III bothers me even more than Jar Jar and the god awful "I hate sand" monolouge.
But I do love the "I hate sand" monologue as a meme. I have paraphrased it a lot. 😅
The line in the Return of the Jedi novel about Owen being Obi Wan's brother occurred oddly enough on shudder.........PAGE 66!!!!! Seriously lol check it out!
I am glad Grievous was his own character. I wish we saw animation/live action Grievous vs Maul.
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I get why they didn't go with Han's novel origin, at least the part of him being from wealth, but they could have used the rest where he's essentially a cabin boy raised by Dewlanna.
the books were so much better than the disney movie, as far as Han's origin story is concerned.
Owen is already Anakin's half brother.
It warms my heart when we get to only reference Eps1-6 ❤
Why is the last word of every sentence said in a really weird way in these sorts of videos?
A love triangle would have made Annie's turn soooooo much better!
Rei being Obiwan's niece would have been cool. It would have explained the accent, and Luke Skywalker getting the same lightsaber twice from a Kenobi would have made sense.
If they had went some of these twists s.w . Would have epic on a different level.
Most of these things make the entire Skywalker Saga far better than it eventually turned out. And thats not Disney's fault. I lay this directly at George's feet.
His personal baggage affected the plot far more than most will admit. And a great portion of that is stuff that led directly to the silliness of the sequels.
In the ROTJ novelization, Owen is Obi-Wan's brother.
Some of those are O.K. Some pretty bad.
You know maul being Grievous I think could have worked since it could explain the rivalry between him and obi-wan
the alternate script where Jar Jar becomes Darth Vader and Chewbacca is revealed to be Luke's father.
Isn't Owen, anakins brother in law?
I don't remember the conversation well but I thought Kenobi was talking about Anakin as his figurative brother. I didn't think he meant he had a literal brother.
George Lucas also scraped out Princess leila bloodline of the force, which she is a twin of Luke and her father anakin Skywalker. Also, jar jar banks were totally jedi throughout the comics, but he did decide not to do in the movie instead.
Solo mentions it, but there was a droid civil war.
Luke and Obi-wan look like they could be related
Pretty sure the darth Vader comics make #1 canon after all…
Be good to your self, never drink the statist koolaid
Isn’t……isn’t that last one cannon now? Wasn’t it revealed in a comic or something?
These aren’t so much “twists” as they are just “things that almost made it in”
He didn't want Anakins story to seem predestined? As in, with a prophecy? Lol, whatever.
The love triangle would have been better if Anakin was at its centre. He would have to choose between his love for Obi-Wan and Padmé.
No mention of Boba Fett being Luke’s mother?
Did Obi Wan want to bed down Anakin? A homosexual love affair would have been a wild twist.
I think Lucas changing the fate for look in ROJ was the smartest choice he did in the movies..
If Palpatine created Vader then Kylo Ren and Rey would be related and keeping the tradition of Skywalker incest.
Darth Maul was killed ! Cut in half ,fall down a shaft high enough to terminate him, then Mace Windu inspects the body. He was dead. Mace was smart enough to know a dead body.
In my headcanon, General Grievous was actually Mon Mothma in a mech suit.
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No, Palpatine is not Anakins father.
Some of these twists are pretty interesting, the rest are dog shit and I’m glad they didn’t come to fruition.
Owen has already been revealed to be Anikin's half-brother, not Obi-Wan's brother.
Step-brother. But there's nothing stopping him from being Obi-Wan's brother too, if Disney decided they wanted to make things way more complicated.
I liked the old Jedi novelization way better, Owen and Ben being brothers. Geroge went far too cliche and direct with Owen being step-brother, ergo uncle. And Liea was adopted. Her princess moniker could have been from Alderaan's ruling family, Bail Organa. Naboo electing a queen every 5 years??? Kinda dumb there, George.
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We all know how this ends if you’re asking us, Alex. Just get your name on the list already. It would be most useful to me as a viewer if you tend to get motion sickness and their new tech that’s supposed to mitigate that makes a difference. (Not that I want you to vom.). Not interested in the new Studios?
A plot twist that almost happened as well was that Jar Jar was indeed a sith lord
4 out of 10 are *NOT* plot twists. 🙄
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If you read the book Darth Plageus, it is revealed that Plageus and Palpatine were why Anakin was created. It was the forces direct response to them using the dark side to begin the final plan of the Sith and the rule of 2 to take over the universe