Obi Wan said "remember; the force is always with you", it was the rebels who would say "may the force be with you". Jedi knew that the force was everywhere and all around them, they didn't need to hope it is with you or whatever.
Obi-Wan literally at one point tells Anakin and "May the Force be with you." It was just a common "good luck" expression, you're thinking too hard about it.
@@godofthecripples1237 that was in the prequels; long, long after the misconception had become so deeply entrenched in pop culture. By that point you could point to hundreds of examples from books, games, etc. of jedi saying MTFBWY, and it was all canon so there was no going back. It's just just that I like to think the original idea was a bit more nuanced
On Kyber crystals: If you compared a lightsaber to a car, the Kyber crystal would be analogous to the transmission, not the engine. It's not the power source, but it IS the bit that makes that power useful.
Yeah, she'd be pretty difficult to shoehorn/retcon in at this point, sadly. They could conjure up a completely new character and just re-use the name I suppose, but that wouldn't really be the same.
Yes! Post Return of the Jedi is the one area where Legends definitely trumps canon for me. Not even because I've read the novels, just concept-wise alone. Luke starting a new Jedi Order-one that respects the value of love and attachment-is fantastic. There's some goofy stuff in there that I'm not a huge fan of but at its core it's far better than what we have now.
For #9 (not sure if this is just legend now or if it’s still canon) another point is that from what I understand when Luke went to Degobah to train with Yoda, he spent much more time there than the movie shows.
Absolutely true. Just like the movies and shows don't often really portray Hyperspace as actually taking time. It's not instantaneous travel. And that's how the Empire got to Bespin before Han, Leia and Chewie, is because at the time, the Falcon only had it's backup hyperdrive, and sublight engines, so, the Empire was able to use Hyperspace to get there faster, if only just. But no one wants to watch a multi-day journey from point a to point b in movies like Star Wars, so, the travel time is just brushed by.
I don't see how that could work with the timeline of Han and Leia. Where did they have a huge time sink to coincide with Luke spending days to weeks with Yoda? And how would luke hustle his butt over to cloud city so quick?
@@tomsweder7459 - he used lightspeed and he saw events before they actually happened. As Yoda said, "always emotions the future". That's why it seems he got there so quickly. He left Dagobah before these things even happened.
Actually, Vader never wanted to hurt Luke. He was always trying to get him to join by his side. Especially in ROTJ, Anakin was taking back control. If Vader wanted to kill Luke he’d have been dead quickly in either duel.
@@violetdusk1968 it’s also notable how he fights Obi Wan differently. He also didn’t want to kill Obi Wan, if he wanted Obi would be dead. He wanted him to suffer. He said it in their first encounter and walked away without killing him in their last of the show. He didn’t want to just kill him. He wanted to make him suffer. A lot of people make the mistake of thinking Obi Wan is better than Vader. And lol it’s a laughable assumption. Vader is a monster.
Number 10: They're not allowed to show any emotion - Yeah, I have been saying this for DECADES! The same as there are no law's except in Fandom that Jedi cannot have relationships... They can! They just first have to learn to Temper their emotions as the ones they love could be used as weapons against them... This would have been the reason that Padame and Annakin had to Marry in secret and potentially only told Obi-Wan if anyone of their commitment... Annakin was not ready, not trained fully and not prepared! From the moment he met the Jedi Council they were speaking of his Anger that they felt in him... You know, I am actually PLEASED that finally someone has added that to a list!
Oh no, relationships were definitely a big No-No. Relationships are a form of attachment, that's the issue. Romance was definitely forbidden in the Jedi Order. It is wrong though that emotions as a whole are forbidden; they just have to be tempered and controlled, and not dwelled on.
Becoming a force ghost; if it was as simple as having some force powers lead to becoming a jedi & upon death, becoming a force ghost, there should be thousands if not tens of thousands of force ghosts haunting all corners of the main SW galaxy, but there are only a handful as shown on-screen.
The books,the actual official approved published books,tell a lot about other "Force users"that aren't jedi. But they all have a concept of the light side and the dark side. These were quite well written and followed Lucus canon. Disney has no interest in keeping true to the original canon of George Lucus,all they care about is making money! But I digress... Really though,the books are fascinating!
There's no way people thought every Jedi could become a force ghost? There'd literally be thousands strolling about if that was the case and killing them would be kind of pointless
"YOU get to a force ghost.. and YOU get to be a force ghost.. and YOU get to be force ghost.. and YOU DEFINITELY get to be a force ghost"- Oprah at her "The Force Within" event. lol
Jedi Are Not Common - The fact that the Jedi Order's headquarters is located on the Galactic Capital may also make it far more likely to see them around for residents of Coruscant.
The 66 part: Some people estimate that from the 10.000 Jedi in the republic, only 1 or 5%, if you're being generous, survived order 66, which means 100 or 500 Jedi left... Much more than expected, but very, very small!
Blame editing for misunderstanding that Luke's training was so short. Many of us nerds pointed out long time ago the Falcon's hyperdrive wasn't working it would have taken them months if not years to get to Bespin. Luke was on with Yoda training that whole time. Granted this is far less training than starting as a two year old and graduating between 18 and 20 just to Padawan. Then 5 to 10 years more training to get title of "Knight". Many of explanations are found in the Legends and comics before lucas retros then Disney agendas decided to screw up the whole thing. Legends and comics have at least 5 different Force using groups and Jedi and Sith are only two. Dark Jedi and Sith being confused as the same.
As you say, it's not about feeling emotion, it's about not being ruled by emotion. During the Old Republic era, at least, Jedi Masters were even permitted to marry- it was somewhat frowned upon and discouraged, but not prohibited. Presumably for several reasons- the more cynical being that rank has its privileges, and that powerful Jedi procreating boosted the odds of more powerful Force-users to train in future generations, and more idealistically, that more high-ranking Jedi would be more capable than volatile teenage Padawans of keeping their attachments under control and not letting their emotions overrule their judgement.
#1 i´m very sure the Rakata were the first force wielders. They were also the first to fall to the Dark Side and go extinct. (With the exception of those killed by Revan)
For clarity: It wasn't Anakin/Vader's sacrifice that let him become a force ghost. It was this act that redeemed him to the light and allowed Obi Wan to come to him as he died and teach him how to become a force ghost. We don't see this on screen but it is canon.
What's the matter about the qui-gon re-appearance? One if the last scenes in the prequels show a very surprised kenobi realising his old Master contacted him through the force, showing he masters the way becoming a force ghost dispite yoda doubts someone could do with the Training. Qui-gon did
Why does Qui Gon appearing to Ben have everyone so hung up? Oh, he died before he learned how to manifest himself, yet he learned enough to keep his individual essence separate from the overall force, so why wouldn't he then in spirit keep learning?
well hidden facts about force ghost,was used to be jedi became force ghost then question arised about all the other jedi and to fix plot holes, they came up with the wells thing
cannon does make sense out of the kyber problems but at same time, confusing some things, durin clone wars said a jedi got use force to power the crystal, so did vader and sid power everyone used for empire weapons,maybe that why vader really failed to defeat luke,kannan and ezra
As somebody who saw SW in a theatre in 1977, and had to pay a WHOPPING $3.50, most movies were a $1.50, I find it amusing how comic books and short stories had to be created to explain everything. Even Jar Jar Binks. Nobody cared if Luke could swing a sword. We just watched the movie and had fun.
Actually, it wouldn't even be possible within a lifetime to do so, according to the map of the Galaxy. Legends tried to patch this up by saying that Han Solo actually had a weaker backup hyperdrive that got them there much lower than the main one, but canon is yet to provide an explanation for this.
There may not be a law banning emotion but when the only Jedi that display any emotion in the prequels are either going berserk or Sith, then you can see where the fanbase comes across that common "misconception."
So, the Jedi aren't actually celibate, but they simply mustn't form attachments, eh? It's nice to know that this order of holy monks are allowed to go on one-night stands, while I can't get so much as a single tickle! Very satisfying.
Nr 8, only if you be tested by the Jedi counsel and you pas the test, you can call yourself a Jedi ...Nr 2, in comics and books Luke have a wife and daughter..
The biggest misconception: It was tragic when they died. They were a cult of hypocrites that abducted babies and forced them train in their bizarre army, then vilified everyone who disagreed with them.
WHOA!!! HOLD ON!!! IT HAS NEVER BEEN ESTABLISHED THAT MAZ IS A FORCE USER!!! SHE IS FAMILIAR WITH THE FORCE BUT IT'S NEVER EVER SAID SHE WAS A FORCE USER YOU HACK THAT WROTE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is no emotion, there is peace. There is no ignorance, there is knowledge. There is no passion, there is serenity. There is no chaos, there is harmony. There is no death, there is the Force.
Actually jedi knights could and did have padawans. Your ability to train your padawan was one of many key steps to becoming a master. All in good fun. It's a make believe world.
@@TheKingSource well. I can't argue with all caps. And goerge Lucas wrote that they can. When kenobi took anikan as his. Did kenobi go from padawan to master in episode 1. And skip knighthood all together? George Lucas has contradicted himself so many times it's laughable. But hey its a fictional world. All good
you know Jedis can fall great heights right ???? so tell me how Mace is dead ???? when all fans can say other wise . do you even know SW at all BoreCulture, funny how you say "YOU THINK" when most of us OG fans Know how many survive too bad this channel hasnt got a Brain cell between the whole crew to know anything about SW for that matter
You do know that the explanation for Anakin becoming a ghost is total BS, and just making excuses for Lucas' massive continuity error, don't you? It's on a par with baby Leia only remembering her REAL mother because she had her eyes open during her birth! lol Truth is, in the OT canon, all Jedi become ghosts, whilst Sith "cease to exist" after death. Oh, and if you're wondering why Anakin did become a ghost in ROTJ, it's because he'd turned away from the Dark Side by the time of his eventual death.
Obi Wan said "remember; the force is always with you", it was the rebels who would say "may the force be with you". Jedi knew that the force was everywhere and all around them, they didn't need to hope it is with you or whatever.
Obi-Wan literally at one point tells Anakin and "May the Force be with you." It was just a common "good luck" expression, you're thinking too hard about it.
@@godofthecripples1237 that was in the prequels; long, long after the misconception had become so deeply entrenched in pop culture. By that point you could point to hundreds of examples from books, games, etc. of jedi saying MTFBWY, and it was all canon so there was no going back. It's just just that I like to think the original idea was a bit more nuanced
@@SamButler22 I mean, none of it was canon except for the films
On Kyber crystals: If you compared a lightsaber to a car, the Kyber crystal would be analogous to the transmission, not the engine. It's not the power source, but it IS the bit that makes that power useful.
Thank you.
I know disney wants to bring their own canon but i promise disney that fans would be happy to see Mara Jade
Yeah, she'd be pretty difficult to shoehorn/retcon in at this point, sadly. They could conjure up a completely new character and just re-use the name I suppose, but that wouldn't really be the same.
Disney doesn't like paying royalties. it's why they retcon nearly everything they do.
I’m glad they didn’t. Never cared for the EU novels.
no.
Yes! Post Return of the Jedi is the one area where Legends definitely trumps canon for me. Not even because I've read the novels, just concept-wise alone. Luke starting a new Jedi Order-one that respects the value of love and attachment-is fantastic. There's some goofy stuff in there that I'm not a huge fan of but at its core it's far better than what we have now.
For #9 (not sure if this is just legend now or if it’s still canon) another point is that from what I understand when Luke went to Degobah to train with Yoda, he spent much more time there than the movie shows.
Absolutely true. Just like the movies and shows don't often really portray Hyperspace as actually taking time. It's not instantaneous travel. And that's how the Empire got to Bespin before Han, Leia and Chewie, is because at the time, the Falcon only had it's backup hyperdrive, and sublight engines, so, the Empire was able to use Hyperspace to get there faster, if only just. But no one wants to watch a multi-day journey from point a to point b in movies like Star Wars, so, the travel time is just brushed by.
@@CalebMcCartyA.A.P EXACTLY
I don't see how that could work with the timeline of Han and Leia. Where did they have a huge time sink to coincide with Luke spending days to weeks with Yoda?
And how would luke hustle his butt over to cloud city so quick?
@@tomsweder7459 - he used lightspeed and he saw events before they actually happened. As Yoda said, "always emotions the future". That's why it seems he got there so quickly. He left Dagobah before these things even happened.
Yes 3 or 4 weeks on Dagobah.
Actually, Vader never wanted to hurt Luke. He was always trying to get him to join by his side. Especially in ROTJ, Anakin was taking back control. If Vader wanted to kill Luke he’d have been dead quickly in either duel.
I totally agree and if you see the obi-wan series, someone fights Darth Vader and he doesn't even use a light Sabre he just blocks using the force.
@@violetdusk1968 it’s also notable how he fights Obi Wan differently. He also didn’t want to kill Obi Wan, if he wanted Obi would be dead. He wanted him to suffer. He said it in their first encounter and walked away without killing him in their last of the show. He didn’t want to just kill him. He wanted to make him suffer. A lot of people make the mistake of thinking Obi Wan is better than Vader. And lol it’s a laughable assumption. Vader is a monster.
Number 10: They're not allowed to show any emotion - Yeah, I have been saying this for DECADES! The same as there are no law's except in Fandom that Jedi cannot have relationships... They can! They just first have to learn to Temper their emotions as the ones they love could be used as weapons against them...
This would have been the reason that Padame and Annakin had to Marry in secret and potentially only told Obi-Wan if anyone of their commitment... Annakin was not ready, not trained fully and not prepared! From the moment he met the Jedi Council they were speaking of his Anger that they felt in him...
You know, I am actually PLEASED that finally someone has added that to a list!
Oh no, relationships were definitely a big No-No. Relationships are a form of attachment, that's the issue. Romance was definitely forbidden in the Jedi Order. It is wrong though that emotions as a whole are forbidden; they just have to be tempered and controlled, and not dwelled on.
Becoming a force ghost; if it was as simple as having some force powers lead to becoming a jedi & upon death, becoming a force ghost, there should be thousands if not tens of thousands of force ghosts haunting all corners of the main SW galaxy, but there are only a handful as shown on-screen.
The books,the actual official approved published books,tell a lot about other "Force users"that aren't jedi. But they all have a concept of the light side and the dark side. These were quite well written and followed Lucus canon. Disney has no interest in keeping true to the original canon of George Lucus,all they care about is making money! But I digress...
Really though,the books are fascinating!
4:50 Not just that, they didn't believe it was possible. They literally thought Yoda was going crazy for even suggesting the possibility.
There's no way people thought every Jedi could become a force ghost? There'd literally be thousands strolling about if that was the case and killing them would be kind of pointless
"YOU get to a force ghost.. and YOU get to be a force ghost.. and YOU get to be force ghost.. and YOU DEFINITELY get to be a force ghost"- Oprah at her "The Force Within" event. lol
@@creativewriter3887 late comment, but I appreciate it lol
That isn’t how the force works! More true words never spoken, yet here I am quoting it….never saw that coming.
This video showed me how big of a nerd I am lol. I knew all of this
7:48 You’re forgetting Baylan Skoll survived order 66. there’s also the fact that they may have been good guys but after order 66 became bad guys.
Jedi Are Not Common - The fact that the Jedi Order's headquarters is located on the Galactic Capital may also make it far more likely to see them around for residents of Coruscant.
The 66 part: Some people estimate that from the 10.000 Jedi in the republic, only 1 or 5%, if you're being generous, survived order 66, which means 100 or 500 Jedi left... Much more than expected, but very, very small!
Blame editing for misunderstanding that Luke's training was so short. Many of us nerds pointed out long time ago the Falcon's hyperdrive wasn't working it would have taken them months if not years to get to Bespin. Luke was on with Yoda training that whole time. Granted this is far less training than starting as a two year old and graduating between 18 and 20 just to Padawan. Then 5 to 10 years more training to get title of "Knight".
Many of explanations are found in the Legends and comics before lucas retros then Disney agendas decided to screw up the whole thing.
Legends and comics have at least 5 different Force using groups and Jedi and Sith are only two. Dark Jedi and Sith being confused as the same.
As you say, it's not about feeling emotion, it's about not being ruled by emotion. During the Old Republic era, at least, Jedi Masters were even permitted to marry- it was somewhat frowned upon and discouraged, but not prohibited. Presumably for several reasons- the more cynical being that rank has its privileges, and that powerful Jedi procreating boosted the odds of more powerful Force-users to train in future generations, and more idealistically, that more high-ranking Jedi would be more capable than volatile teenage Padawans of keeping their attachments under control and not letting their emotions overrule their judgement.
Nice "Brassed off" reference in the opening voice over.
Luke vs Vader was not as hard a fight that Obi Wan had vs Vader, peak Vader vs old and dying Vader
That's like, an opinion not a fact.
am i wrong tho? Vader was old by Empire and ROTJ
@@PanzerFalcon2232 define old. Somewhere around 40's - 50's is not considered "old".
But Luke also was not nearly at Obi Wan's level when he went up against old Vader, and Vader was holding back.
#1 i´m very sure the Rakata were the first force wielders. They were also the first to fall to the Dark Side and go extinct. (With the exception of those killed by Revan)
If Revan was involved then that was probably Legends
Me seeing what culture Star Wars uploading a new video and getting ready to find giant mistakes or factual errors: 🤓
For clarity: It wasn't Anakin/Vader's sacrifice that let him become a force ghost. It was this act that redeemed him to the light and allowed Obi Wan to come to him as he died and teach him how to become a force ghost. We don't see this on screen but it is canon.
What's the matter about the qui-gon re-appearance? One if the last scenes in the prequels show a very surprised kenobi realising his old Master contacted him through the force, showing he masters the way becoming a force ghost dispite yoda doubts someone could do with the Training. Qui-gon did
Like Ahsoka says 'I am no Jedi' so she shouldn't be on the 'surviving jedi' list ^^
Why does Qui Gon appearing to Ben have everyone so hung up? Oh, he died before he learned how to manifest himself, yet he learned enough to keep his individual essence separate from the overall force, so why wouldn't he then in spirit keep learning?
well hidden facts about force ghost,was used to be jedi became force ghost then question arised about all the other jedi and to fix plot holes, they came up with the wells thing
This is one of those videos you didn't know you needed to know...!
cannon does make sense out of the kyber problems but at same time, confusing some things, durin clone wars said a jedi got use force to power the crystal, so did vader and sid power everyone used for empire weapons,maybe that why vader really failed to defeat luke,kannan and ezra
As somebody who saw SW in a theatre in 1977, and had to pay a WHOPPING $3.50, most movies were a $1.50, I find it amusing how comic books and short stories had to be created to explain everything. Even Jar Jar Binks. Nobody cared if Luke could swing a sword. We just watched the movie and had fun.
But what about the Infinite Empire? The Rakata are still a thing right?
Their was also the rakata.
I think luke spent a lot longer with yoda than we see in ESB. it must have taken a long, long time to fly at sub-light speed from Hoth to Bespin
Yes widely reported Luke was on Dagobah for 3 or 4 weeks
Actually, it wouldn't even be possible within a lifetime to do so, according to the map of the Galaxy. Legends tried to patch this up by saying that Han Solo actually had a weaker backup hyperdrive that got them there much lower than the main one, but canon is yet to provide an explanation for this.
How did Qui-gon Jin become a force ghost in Kenobi when he never completed his training? 4:07
That's what I've been wondering since kenobi released I think Disney messed up that
4:43 or because Mace Windu is too expensive. And I don't mean the CGI is expensive.
there have been a few confusion about jedi, there have been a few force users in cannon that are not jedi, like maz,
In new canon Kyber Crystals ARE POWERING LIGHTSABERS, and battery is used to remove excess energy and control overall strength of blade.
#1 everyone (myself included at a time) believed they were a noble righteous competent group...but nope. They are often petty, and incompetent.
They also kidnap children 👀
Nope, my Aspie arse has been Pro Sith for near three decades. At least they're not hypocritical, lol.
@@PanzerFalcon2232 And flamethrower others.
“Hur dur, Jedi bad!” 😐 Please, pipe down!
@@FretfulClown95 they do kidnap children and turn them into child soldiers.
Please give a factual response, rather than bleating your Jedi love.
There may not be a law banning emotion but when the only Jedi that display any emotion in the prequels are either going berserk or Sith, then you can see where the fanbase comes across that common "misconception."
luke never STOPPED training in some way disney i think changed that a bit but thoguht he always worked on the force
So, the Jedi aren't actually celibate, but they simply mustn't form attachments, eh? It's nice to know that this order of holy monks are allowed to go on one-night stands, while I can't get so much as a single tickle! Very satisfying.
force interacts with all life forms even if no training it still interacts
jedi are trained but to me just because not trained doesnt mean you cant feel it
How could I go aboot writing scripts here? I've accumulated an ever-growing Star Wars library and need an audience to share it with.
but ahsoka would say is more a jedi than not, she not part of the order of the jedi, but closer to a jedi than anything else
The most famous Jedi! 🤣🤣
Nr 8, only if you be tested by the Jedi counsel and you pas the test, you can call yourself a Jedi ...Nr 2, in comics and books Luke have a wife and daughter..
Huh. O.K. Thank you.
I knew all of these
The biggest misconception: It was tragic when they died. They were a cult of hypocrites that abducted babies and forced them train in their bizarre army, then vilified everyone who disagreed with them.
Is everyone ready for the flood of “Jedi bad” comments?
Well, abducting children isn't exactly "good"
People too easily assume that "light side" = good guys
you true SW fans have read so much
and you like ashoka so much
I like Maul a hell of a lot ( but I not eveil I am a budhist , strange is it not )
Cause Mace Windu's alive dude.
#1 The Jedi are Not The Good Guys.
No love or attachments would mean lots and lots of prostitutes
You sure? More like a slew of masturbating monks. These guys weren't concerned with getting their rocks off.
@@MLBlue30 lol maybe
WHOA!!! HOLD ON!!! IT HAS NEVER BEEN ESTABLISHED THAT MAZ IS A FORCE USER!!! SHE IS FAMILIAR WITH THE FORCE BUT IT'S NEVER EVER SAID SHE WAS A FORCE USER YOU HACK THAT WROTE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what your saying is "they can be tramps/slu...." vegas is fine, just do not keep their partnets numbers or call em back,
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There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no chaos, there is harmony.
There is no death, there is the Force.
Weeeeeeeeeeeee!
ANAKIN NEVER HAD A PADAWAN! HE WAS NEVER NAMED A MASTER BEFORE TURNING TO THE DARK SIDE SO HE COULDN'T!
Actually jedi knights could and did have padawans. Your ability to train your padawan was one of many key steps to becoming a master. All in good fun. It's a make believe world.
@@mattpaul5441 DEAD WRONG! GEORGE LUCAS HIMSELF SADI ONLY MASTERS COULD HAVE PADEWANS! SO DID YOGA WHEN HE 1ST MADE OBI WAN KENOBI A MASTER!
@@TheKingSource why are you yelling? But if he didn’t have a Padawan who was Ashoka ?
@@Oldbasshole A figment of someone's imagination that even George Lucas calls a fakery!
@@TheKingSource well. I can't argue with all caps. And goerge Lucas wrote that they can. When kenobi took anikan as his. Did kenobi go from padawan to master in episode 1. And skip knighthood all together? George Lucas has contradicted himself so many times it's laughable. But hey its a fictional world. All good
you know Jedis can fall great heights right ???? so tell me how Mace is dead ???? when all fans can say other wise . do you even know SW at all BoreCulture, funny how you say "YOU THINK" when most of us OG fans Know how many survive too bad this channel hasnt got a Brain cell between the whole crew to know anything about SW for that matter
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also i like to believe that mace windu survived
#11 Kathleen Kennedy
A New Hope was great, every film after got shitter and shitter.
Lucas is so ignorant of real asian culture. His movies thrive on recipes of western storytelling and a touch of Campbell's philosophy of legends.
You do know that the explanation for Anakin becoming a ghost is total BS, and just making excuses for Lucas' massive continuity error, don't you? It's on a par with baby Leia only remembering her REAL mother because she had her eyes open during her birth! lol Truth is, in the OT canon, all Jedi become ghosts, whilst Sith "cease to exist" after death. Oh, and if you're wondering why Anakin did become a ghost in ROTJ, it's because he'd turned away from the Dark Side by the time of his eventual death.
You guys get things constantly wrong. You can't talk.