Clearly posted before even watching the video 😂 more then half are mistakes in episodes 1-3... you know, those movies which were allso absolutely hated including some if its main characters which are now seen as the best star wars characters/mascots ever (including Hayden... ) Disney isn't perfect, they never claim to be, they only pretend to be. And thats exactly as they should; its Disney for christ sake.... Answer on this comment in 10, 20 or 25 years please. Am pretty sure by then we gonna talk good about the start of the Disney saga and their decisions they made for the star wars universe. We may even gonna love Rey 😂
@@nickm9922Disney haters just like to make people feel bad for having Opinions, it’s just that they feel entitled to being a star wars fan because they hate disney and like george lucass
S.T are okay movies but I grew up with the Expanded Universe so 90% of the time I choose to forget about VII, VIII, IX. I think of them as happening in a alternate timeline or a parallel universe. You know Where Star Wars is broken and the fact that Abrams had his greedy hands in Star Trek And star Wars is sacrilege to both
Anakin didn't "build" C-3PO, he "re-built" him. It wasn't like he was welding, wiring, and programming a droid and it look JUST like other protocol droids. He found him somewhere and fixed him back up (mostly). The "no-sith" programming was almost certainly original (just like the millions of languages that Anakin certainly didn't know).
Also it was Episode 4 that the galaxy assumed the Jedi religion to be dead. People knew the Jedi existed in I, they just rarely saw them active in most cases.
I think he mostly built him after getting hold of some hardware plans, but the "software", so to speak, was a standard data package that he scavenged or stole from somewhere.
By the time Ahsoka became Anakin's padawan Yaddle was dead... killed by Dooku as already mentioned. While it's still possible she met Yaddle as a youngling it's equally probable toddler Ahsoka simply forgot.
S.T are okay movies but I grew up with the Expanded Universe so 90% of the time I choose to forget about VII, VIII, IX. I think of them as happening in a alternate timeline or a parallel universe. You know Where Star Wars is broken and the fact that Abrams had his greedy hands in Star Trek And star Wars is sacrilege to both franchises
@JustMe-tx3nm Did you reply to the wrong post? This has nothing to do with my comment. And the two biggest faults with the sequel trilogy are 1. Going in without a plan... any plan 2. Trying to retcon everything from VIII in IX
So I'm thinking that Obi-Wan didn't kill Vader in the Obi-Wan series is the same reason he hadn't finished Anakin off on Mustafarr. Mainly plot convenience, but also... maybe there was that little bit of Obi-Wan who just could't bring himself to kill his best friend/brother off.
Highly likely or he just knew that the Force had other plans for the duo. That he could sense that the time was not right. Not knowing when it would be, but that now was not the time.
In Kenobi's defense, with nobody around while Anakin was covered in fire from lava, he probably figured he would die anyways, and beyond that, it isn't the jedi way to kill for revenge or whatever, which yeah is a plot convenience but Kenobi also raised and trained Anakin for roughly 15 years before he became Vader. He loved the guy as a brother, I don't think I could kill my siblings(unless they put my kid in danger or cause harm, then it's free game), so it makes a bit of sense when thinking about it from a sociological or psychological perspective.
There is a history and intense amount of psychological conditioning between them. I figure Ben was afraid of what would happen to himself if he killed Anakin. Ben already had Qui-Gon's ghost haunting him.
Agreed. Also, it’s not the Jedi way. It’s one thing to kill him during combat, but once Vader was neutralized, Kenobi couldn’t just become an executioner.
Even assuming Anakin did program C-3P0 himself, it's likely that programming was updated after he gifted C-3P0 to Padmé, and the Republic did have laws against private ownership of Sith artifacts.
I was going to say something similar, the guy was pretty much republic employed/property, he's going to be programmed not to speak Sith lmao for obvious reasons Like imagine if the Nazis had their own language, you think the computer would tell you what it says?
He more assembled C3-PO, he put the appropriate module to build a C3 unit. There are plenty of them. If he would have built him he would be entirely different than other droids short of common parts. But regardless, Anakin is a mechanically gifted, software, AI and all would not be of his design.
Would R2 have known to associate Anakin with Darth Vader? How widely known was it that the masked, hulking and suddenly different voiced Sith lord was the former Anakin? I go back and forth on whether Kenobi should have killed Anakin instead of leaving him to die in the hot lava. When Anakin killed an already subdued Dooku, that was considered part of his turn to the dark side. But really, wouldn't it have been a mercy and a protection for everyone else to have finished the job there? The one I can't just accept is that a Sith dagger was created to exactly match the outline of a piece of rubble that is sitting in tidal waters and if you stand on the exact same spot and hold it at the exact same angle from the exact same elevation and no further disintegration has happened, it will point you to the location of the wayfinder. Oh and that dagger is going to be buried randomly on some other planet and hopefully nobody is using it in any way that would slightly change its contours...
Sith magic, it was enchanted to mirror the real-life location it was supposed to point to, including but not limited to eroding away as the tidal action impacted the rubble.
@@SpiderRiviera By that logic it should have been changing its shape as they approached and/or moved around or even raised it up in her hand. I think that's where Han would say, "That's not how the Force works!"
I highly doubt R2 wouldn't have known Vader was Anakin, simply due to the fact he was with him throughout the RotS, and he was "Darth Vader" before he was actually in the suit. Granted, the name might've just been used between him & Sidious. I can't recall off the top of my head if the name was used around others, like the 501st. Also, it's hard to believe R2 was with him so much and wasn't pricy to conversations between Sidious and Vader where Sidious referred to Anakin as his "Sith name".
@@JohnRalstenI don’t think there was enough time after being dubbed Vader for r2 to have more than one conversation. The one on mustafar before padme arrived. And it’s possible Sidious referred to Anikan as “my apprentice”
The Sith dagger was the most egregious macguffin, leading to a macguffin, to another plot device in the history of cinema. The entirety of episode 9 was pointless plot filler to round out a story without a point. The only thing I will give the movie is that it's actors did what they could with the material they were given and tried to move on with their careers.
The best park about the rise of Skywalker was finally seeing the credits roll up the screen and knowing I never had to endure this dark mark on Star Wars films
Two points. R2D2 never gives information like that, even when he found Obi Wan he didn't say this is the guy, he waited for Obi Wan to confirm his identity. Second he probably didn't know Vader was Luke's Father.
Yeah R2 has (to my recollection) never volunteered information. Droids in general seem to not do this, except maybe Chopper. They generally wait until a specific question or command is given before offering information.
@@QuintusAntonious which is why the segment of Leia's message couldn't be played in full for Luke (apart from R2 refusing to comply) since it was a private message for Ben Kenobi.
I like to think, that Luke could see the future when he planed the rescue of Han Solo. He could see the outcome (Jabbar death) but not the details of how he would die. Luke knew that he had to taunt him enough, so he would be brought to the Saarlac, where Jabba would meet his death. That is why he employed all his friends to somehow enrage the Jabba enough to send him there. Everything was more or less planned.
Seeing the future is a vary complicated power for a Jedi, even Yoda struggled with it. So I doubt Luke did it purposely. I'm inclined to think Luke sent Lando in as recon, then R2 and C3PO as a potential peace offering. R2 was placed in the palace to potentially free Han, not from the carbonite, but from the wall. Leia probably disliked this plan and took Chewie and made her own plan, then got captured and enslaved. I doubt Luke was banking on Jabba enslaving Leia then she strangle him to death.
Problem with number 10, its not 3P0s choice, nor is it programming from anakin. If you listen closely to 3P0s explanation, he clearly states that ALL protocol droids are forbidden from translating from ancient sith because of a long-standing decree from the old Republic, i suspect from the time of the rusaan reformation, 1000 years before the events of episode 1, or earlier. I suspect that this was brought in to prevent force sensitive beings (mostly jedi) from getting a little too curious and using protocol droids to decipher ancient sith, and thus falling to the dark side.
I accepted one of these and no others. The one I refer to is Luke's plan to rescue Han, but even then that wasn't Luke's exact detail-to-detail plan. People make this mistake all the time when talking about the Joker's plan in the Dark Knight where they're talking about how everything needed to go exactly the way it did to get the end result when its simply a matter of having lots of failsafes in place for multiple failure redundancies. With Lando and Chewie leaving to go rescue Han together at the end of Empire Strikes Back, Luke had a very long amount of time between then and his confrontation. Time he could use to meditate and literally see the "always in motion" future. This would allow him to perceive different ways he might succeed or fail. Maybe Lando and Chewie could rescue Han alone? If that doesn't work, have Leia sneak in posing as a bounty hunter with Chewbacca as backup for a credible bounty that would definitely get them an audience with him, then sneak out when they're sleeping. That could also go wrong, so before that he sent in R2-D2 and C-3P0 as a way to smuggle in his lightsaber. He could walk in and mind trick him, but he might be strong willed enough to resist it. Best course of action is to get everyone into place to rescue them and need be, blast/cut their way out. After seeing all these possibilities, he put the plan together so well that he could confidently say to Han, "Don't worry. I've taken care of everything"
Anakin was likely able to get some sort of skin replacement to a certain point down his arm, similar to the eventual look of Luke’s more high tech medical tech
0:49 you’re forgetting another thing “we just accepted” is that there is a dagger that has the “ancient Sith” writing and it’s only been around for less than 30 years. Also why would someone who had identified the location of a secret and important item leave it in the ruins of the Death Star?
Also the fact that you have to end up in the EXACT SPOT on the shore to even understand the dagger shape... Also how the kcuf has it not gone full Titanic? I can buy that the see is shallow, but with that heavy waving there is no way the Star could stay in the exact same position since the dagger was fabricated
1:22 I loved how subtly c3po kept reminding everyone that he'd had his memory wiped! "How exciting, my first battle" or something clumsy like that every 5 minutes! 🤦
The most 🙄 was when he was saying goodbye, my friends....none of those characters are his friends. His real friends were either already dead or presumed dead, minus R2.
10. Didn't 3P0 also work as a senator's droid for years AND have his memory wiped at the end of 3? Who's to say they didn't install that programming in him at either time? 9. R2 knows the importance of secrecy and what shouldn't be told to people. 8. Having hid his lightsaber in R2, he knew he'd be going in there himself. I just don't think he expected Leia and Chewie to go in or get actually captured, right? I know he didn't expect Jabba to be immune to the mind trick, so that validated his back-up of the lightsaber hidden away. 7. Being a prequel, his jets worked, then sometime later they got broken and his parts were excessively rare because his creators' company shut down and he never really cared to have them properly fixed. 6. Not to mention EVERY movie constantly is doing lightspeed jumps in planets' atmospheres, which would tear them apart due to gravitational fields, which is why they don't just jump ships directly onto planet surfaces. 5. I NOTICED THIS SO OFTEN, I HATE IT. Not really but god, I noticed it early and lost it from then on. 4. Probably just due to he still sees Anakin in there despite everything, and he can't go through "killing" him again. 3. It's possible she didn't know Yaddle was one of those species. Yeah, Yaddle, Yoda, it's very similar, BUT names are all over the place in Star Wars, hard to tell what a species is just by the person's name. 2. The same thing happened in Legends, just instead of just being intact the reactor explosion sent a lot of debris through hyperspace. Parts of it were even on Mon Calamari. So pieces being intact on a moon nearby isn't out of the question. 1. It's likely he just couldn't due to internal conflict still being a thing or decided not to because he didn't need to be there despite the sacrifice and relationship with Rey.
Number 10 its a decree from the time of the old Republic (i suspect around the time of the rusaan reformation or earlier) that ALL translations from ancient sith are prohibited. So while any protocol droid could read and understand the dagger, none would be able to make the translation
The correct answer is 10, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, and 1 never happened because that's the Disney crap. 9, George Lucas hadn't even decided Luke was Anakin's son yet, and 8 can be explained away by simple desperation.
@@Craxin01 R2-D2 *repeatedly* said (beeped?) that he needed to find his "former master," Obi-Wan Kenobi. Luke even noted, "I've never seen such devotion in a droid before." As for not mentioning Anakin ... he last saw Anakin before the duel with Obi-Wan; the next encounter was with a fully-realized Darth Vader. It's plausible R2 really didn't recognize him. However, that does not explain why R2 didn't question the Skywalker name (is it a common name in their galaxy?), nor does it explain why Vader never mentioned R2 (or C-3PO, for that matter) after seeing them again.
Really not hard to see why Ashoka did not know yaddle. Yaddle died 32bby, Ashoka was born 36bby and was taken into the Jedi order at 33bby. Ashoka would only have been 3-4 yrs old when she may have meet yaddle and even then it was at such a young age that it wouldn’t be that hard to forgot names/faces/events. She knew personally about yoda and how strong he was so to only mention yoda would fit.
So two things. 1) Amazing video as always dudes. 2) My favorite moment from Rise of Skywalker was Chewbacca's reaction to Leia's death that bleeds into the Han and Ben scene. Best part of the movie in my opinion.
Think about all the characters Chewbacca interacted with and he survived them all. Han, Luke, Leia, Yoda, Obi-Wan. I’m sure there are more. Of all the characters, he lost the most friends.
@@wadehm63 Wookiees have much longer lifespans than humans; 400 standard years on average. Chewie was 180 years old when he first met Han Solo. When you live that long and pal around with humans who only live a fraction of that, yeah, you'll probably lose a lot of friends just to old age. And that says nothing of the ... er ... "occupational hazards" of smuggling as a profession.
Don't get me started on Lightspeed skipping 😂 1. That would basically die. 2. The empire wouldn't be able to track them so they wouldn't be followed by tie fighters because 3. Tie fighters don't have hyperdrives as we all know
When I was a kid first watching the Solo rescue in "Return", my head cannon was it was actually 3 separate plans to save Han that just happened to take place at the same time. Luke using the droids, Leia and Chewy with sneaky sneaky, and Lando with the long con.
R2, is old, as anything mechanical ages, parts (like thrusters) stop functioning properly. Even when he was with Anakin, his personality was a little prickly at times, so not telling luke who his father was after just meeing him makes perfect sense; also assuming that Skywalker is a name unique to 3 people out of trillions in the galaxy. Also, just because he didn't have his memory wiped at the end of episode 3, doesn't mean someone didn't have it done sometime in the following 2 decades. Or that a droid with a tendency to get into trouble, didn't get himself damaged in a way that fried that particular memory chip. On the Jabba rescue, Luke specifically said to Han "I had to get you out of there, Jabba's palace was just too well guarded". So maybe the elaborate plan was necessary to get everyone out to somewhere more vulnerable, like breaking someone out of a prison transfer van, rather than a maximum security prison. Programming 3po is probably just a matter of downloading a standard language pack, and in a galaxy ruled by a control freak sith, it makes sense to make it illegal for anyone but him and his apprentice to be able to understand the language. Then when the new republic took over, they certainly wouldn't want anyone else to be able to understand the writing on ancient sith artefacts either. Anakin's hand was a continuity error, oops, and the rest is badly written Disney fan fic, so it's just a load of shit to begin with.
1:17 yes but it is canon that C3-PO has had his memory wiped several times, and likely had been reprogrammed to a certain extent. It is also likely that Anakin had used repurposed droid parts (possibly even memory and programming circuits) to make C3-PO.
4:00 Lukes entire character by Return was based around him knowing he could triumph by force, but he still didn’t flex his power and instead gave life forms across the galaxy (from hutts to the ewoks) chance after chance for redemption, knowing that some of the scummiest beings will still turn it around
And of course Poe’s hyper speed hoping was a new gen statement that goes like this “I’m young, you’re old so I’m smarter and better, so watch how I make precise calculations on a drop of a dime while you old guys take 5 min”!
There was a scene in the theatrical version of The Phantom Menace where, just before the return to Naboo, R2-D2 falls off the floating platform and uses his jets to fly back up.
I noticed absolutely every episode 9 problem and vehemently hated them. Let me add to your list the Millennium Falcon getting magically fixed after being on fire from the light speed jumping, when we spent an entire movie in episode 5 dealing with trying to fix problems with the ship. Super inconsistent and stupid.
You forgot this little gem... In "The Last Jedi" Rey & Kylo destroy Anakin/Luke's light saber hilt tearing it in two. In the "The Rise of Skywalker" it is magically back together without any explanation. It's as if it never even happened.
Did we all forget about last Jedi? 1. Bombers that use gravity to drop bombs in space. 2. The 2 hour space chase scene had many holes. First what was the first orders plan to have the resistance run out of fuel if so what about there own fuel, secondly why wait to destroy them the chase is basically a straight line the first order never thought about sending there location to the hundreds of ships to warp in front the resistance fleet. Third and the most fascinating if using warp is possible to destroy ships why did they wait until one of last ships to do this they probably could of escaped if they used this move with the first ship about to run out of fuel. There is more from the last Jedi I don’t have time to list them all.
Yoda waits decades for Luke to be trained. Rejects Kenobi's assertion that Luke is their only hope. Hangs in long enough after Luke skips lessons to save Han. Then goes from hello, to feeling a bit tired to dying in one conversation. Did he have a broken heart?
Pretty sure that Bail Organa would have had R2's memory wiped when he realized it contained enough info to put Luke and Leia in serious danger of being found out if ever captured.
Forget about the thrown, there is no room beyond the walls of the thrown room itself! If you know the architecture of the Emperor's thrown spire, you know that those rooms with the large circular windows that bubble outward have nothing but outer space beyond the walls. Therefore, Rey could not have found a walk-in closet against its wall for that other wayfinder. Although her encounter with her dark self may have been imaginary, the room and the wayfinder are shown as physjcal.
Not just that, but Why did Rey get to keep BB-8? Poe didn't have any issue with her taking his droid? Rey gets: Han's ship, Luke's last name, former home, & lightsaber, Leia's lightsaber, and Poe's droid?
You gotta remember, yaddle died fighting Dooku and sideous not long after the events of The Phantom Menace, when Anakin was 9 years old and ahsoka if you do the math would have only been around 4, (she was found by plo koon at 3 years old) she would likely have had little memory of yaddle if she had encountered her in that roughly 1 year she had been in the temple prior to thos events if she had even encountered yaddle at all.
Coming out of hyperspace inside a planetary atmosphere in The Force Awakens was a jaw droppingly stupid moment in the film. (Going into hyperspace from inside a starship was equally boneheaded in the film.)
If you look at it from the standpoint of droids attaining sentience, and thus R2 attaining use of the Force, and thus being the true Chosen One it all comes together pretty nicely. The issue of droid sentience is the elephant in the room throughout the movies. They're not welcome at Mos Eisley cantina? Why? The droid uprising in which they murdered lots of organics, that's why. Greivous was the first to organize the droids in revolt. He failed. The Disney trilogy should have been about a true Sith droid who could use the Force (the horror!) and Annakin and the Jedi going to confront him. In the end, Annakin and Palpatine take over the already made to order droid army and fleet, thus founding the galactice Empire. Slipping into the throne like that would be a move either Jedi OR Sith would do, making it the perfect ploy for Annakin and Palpatine. In fact, it would seem they were fighting for good until the very last moment. It's real simple -- R2D2 was the Chosen One, meant to restore balance to the Force. Annakin was great friends with R2, and loved R2 as a true friend. This connection imbued R2 with the Force -- and sure enough, we see that R2 can communicate across great distances with both Annakin and Luke, telepathically, using the Force. We merely suppose that it's Luke or Annakin's Force powers alone that enable this. We never stop to ask how the hell it works with R2. R2 sought out Annakin, saved the day and guided Annakin and Luke throughout, and orchestrated the whole Palpatine-Skywalker circus into restoring balance to the Force -- and it would really make sense in my version of the Disney trilogy -- a good droid with the Force, balancing the Force for the droids, the new lifeform. I mean, I honestly think the sentience of the droids was a big theme in Star Wars originally. By the end though it's completely forgotten and ignored. Still, I think the nature of the droids as presented is very curious. Robots aren't typically shown with feelings, and the droids in Star Wars having feelings seems very intentional -- and in that case there surely must be more to the story in George Lucas' head concerning the very unique robots he presented. Also, fuck mitichlorians. The Force was spiritual in the original concept. At some point, some dumbass -- likely Lucas himself -- came up with the utter shit idea of mitichlorians. I was, like, WHAT??? How does that even work with Force Ghosts? They don't have bodies, therefore can't have any damn mitichlorians. So fuck mitichlorians.
I hated having to accept that Phasma could turn off the planetary defenses at gunpoint without guards to overtake or even a second person needing to be there as a fail safe for those defenses. I work in a bank and I can’t even open the vault without a second person’s codes. I love Star Wars but that is by far my least favorite scene
The answer to #9 is simple: R2 doesn't know Anakin is Vader. When AS is knighted as Darth Vader, R2 is not in the room. When AS ransacks the Jedi Temple, R2 is again NOT there. And while R2 probably saw the beginning of the Kenobi Skywalker dual he was helping 3PO tend to Padme the rest of the time. Kenobi believes AS is dead (shown in the Disney+ series) and likely tells R2 as much. The droid has NO REASON to believe that DV is AS because he believes his master is dead. R2 probably later told Luke of all the great heroic things AS did during The Clone Wars cementing Luke's belief that his father was a great warrior.
I'm thinking about it and R2-D2 might not have known Anakin was Luke's father. Anakin and Padme were being secretive about their relationship and weren't exactly going to "make babies" in front of R2-D2, why would they tell him if they didn't even tell Obi-Wan. Id have to rewatch the movie again, but I can't picture in my head R2-D2 being around to hear the information that Anakin was Luke's father. Unless was he in the baby delivery scene? I cant remember
RE: Ben Solo's Force ghost: You're asking the wrong question. Most Jedi souls merge with the Force upon their deaths; like water poured into a river, their individual thoughts and traits become indistinguishable from the stream. Becoming a Force ghost -- retaining one's consciousness within the Force after death -- was alluded during the Clone Wars (late in Ep. 3, I think?), right before the remaining Jedi went into hiding: there's a specific and extremely difficult Force training they must complete, while still alive, in order to become a Force ghost after death. (And Force ghosts will eventually merge with the Force as well; it's not a permanent condition.) Yoda (re)discovered it, and tasked Obi-Wan with finding and completing it during their exile, which he obviously did. However, there's no indication that Anakin went through it or even knew about it -- nor is there any indication that a Sith *can* complete it. And while we can safely assume that Obi-Wan's ghost told Luke about it, Leia didn't devote herself to Force training like her brother did (she is clearly Force-sensitive, but she's no Jedi), and Luke probably did not tell his nephew about how to become a Force ghost after Ben fell and became Kylo Ren -- or he did, but Sith can't do it. The question isn't, "Where is Ben Solo's Force ghost?" The fact he doesn't have one is canonically easy to explain. The right question is, "How and why do Anakin and Leia have Force ghosts?" (Other than plot convenience and happy endings, that is.)
Addendum: The same right question applies to Qui-Gon Jinn's Force ghost; Yoda hadn't yet rediscovered the training required when Qui-Gon died, so how and why did he get one? (Again, other than plot convenience and happy endings.)
In Return Of The Jedi, when the force ghosts appear to Luke on Endor, we originally had an older Anakin joining Yoda and Obi Wan. Later, Lukas would make the huge error of adding young Anakin into the ghost group, but if being a force ghosts allows you to appear as your younger self, why wasn’t Obi Wan replaced with younger Obi and why did Yoda still look to be 900 years old? Lukas tried to come up with a reason why this happened, but his reason was ridiculous, convoluted and made no sense. George’s excuse went something like, “The latter two never turned to the Dark Side, so they don't have a point to "go back to where we left it off" like Anakin”……. Uh…. Yeah. Just admit you screwed up by putting young Anakin in there in the first place George!
The r2d2 having no knowledge of anakin as Vader is explained at the end of episode 3, after padme gives birth. Senator Organa says to have the droids memory wiped, referring to c3po and r2d2
I personally wonder why the hell Leia was carrying around Chewie's medal and just never gave it to him! What the hell?! "Haha, I actually DO have a medal for Chewie, but he'll have it over my dead body! AHAHAHAHA!"
R2 probably didn't 'know' that Anakin was Vader. He probably assumed, as did most people, that Anakin perished on Mustafar. It wasn't until later that Obi-Wan learned that Anakin survived and turned into Vader. It's likely R2 never learned the truth.
Watch Revenge Of The Sith closely and you’ll see that R2-D2 is never present in the scenes that involve Anakin becoming Darth Vader. He doesn’t see what happened in Palpatine’s office, he doesn’t see what happened at the Jedi temple, and when arriving on Mustafar, Anakin tells him to stay with the ship so Artoo never sees Anakin kill the Seperatists or his duel with Obi-Wan. As far as Artoo knows, Anakin really was killed by Darth Vader.
According to the novel "Heir to the Empire" Obi-Wan could no longer appear to Luke so it is likely that Obi-Wan was able to teach Luke to become a Force Ghost which he passed to Leah but Ben never had training to do so.
I always figured the Sith language was probably made illegal at some point during the high republic era and droid motherboard manufacturers put the restriction in place to be in compliance. That makes more sense than Anakin doing it.
*Not to be that nerd, but 3po not being able to read sith makes sense. Anakin wasn’t fabricating parts in between slave shifts, or ordering manufactured electronics from the other side of the galaxy. He was using scraps, and whatever programming was already on them. A box of scraps in the middle of a desert huh? Sounds familiar Disney*
The overly-elaborate plan for Han's rescue was, as I saw it, PlanA, PlanB, PlanC, like any good military leader should have. Rise of Skywalker had a bushel of "make shit up" moments and threads, worthy of a list of its own. In the scene where you specifically ask about the whereabouts of Ben's forceghost, I was more puzzled about why Rey would bury those lightsabers in the sand in the first place. Wouldn't be handy to have a couple of spares around, in case of...well...amputation and loss of one's lightsaber down an inexplicable shaft?
C3-P0 wasn't built from scratch. He was built from scrap. Which means the brainy bits existed already. But also: Palpatine got the Senate to pass a law restricting protocol droids from translating Sith runes, which meant C3-P0, as a protocol droid in service to Senator Amidala... would have been installed with the prohibitive software AFTER construction. Not during.
I don't know if canon explains why R2 didn't tell Luke about Anakin, but Legends do (see the Dark Nest trilogy by Troy Denning). The reasons Threepio can't speak Sith may be many, but I guess the Jedi wiped out everything that was known about them when they defeated them (or so they thought) a millennia before Anakin was discovered by Qui-Gon. Threepio was constructed sometime inbetween these two events (Anakin only found his "lifeless" body in Watto's junkyard and brought him back to "life".)
R2D2 not telling Luke could be explained by the fact he never saw Obi-Wan and Anakin fighting. The next one seen was Obi-Wan with the thoughts of Yoda that Anakin was consumed by Vader and therefore was killed by Vader.
Ahsoka was 3 at time she was brought into the temple and would only have been living there for a year by the events of episode 1, it's possible Ahsoka either forgot Yaddle or no one ever really mentioned her to Ahsoka.
10- Anakin got the code off whatever passed for droid Stack Overflow, it worked, who cares if it prevents the droid from speaking some obscure ancient language that nobody on some backwater planet ever speaks? 9- R2D2 never actually saw Anakin become Vader, as far as he knew Anakin fought Obi-Wan and never came back so probably dead. Also nobody knew Vader was Luke’s dad in episode 4 because George Lucas hadn’t thought of it yet. 7- Again, Lucas didn’t think of it yet. 6- Because nobody could possibly invent a better computer in the 30-odd years between episodes 4 and 9? 4- What else could happen? They couldn’t do much with either character since both needed to return for Episode 4, making the whole series a bit pointless. 3- How many people’s names do you remember from being a two-year-old? (Episode 1 is 12 years before the Clone Wars where a 14 year old Ashoka first appears). 2- It’s not all that unreasonable for a big chunk of the very outside of the second Death Star to have survived the explosion and then crashing into a planet, it’s a planet-destroying space megastructure and not exactly flimsy.
The Star Destroyer gunners not firing on the escape pod in ANH, even though they believed it was empty??? Owen and Beru not recognising 3PO and R2 in ANH, even though they were identical to Anakin's droids and had the same names. Luke being "hidden" with Anakin's adopted family on Anakin's home planet, and keeping his original surname. Obi-Wan hiding using his original surname whilst continuing to dress as a Jedi. Leia having Han fly straight to the Rebel base in ANH, even though she knew they were being tracked. The Rebel starfighters having to fly down a trench to target the Death Star exhaust port rather than diving down on it from above.
Owen and beru hadn't seen R2 and 3PO in over twenty years they could have simply forgot their names. . Also their would be thousands of droids that are the same models as R2 and 3PO. That and 3PO had rusty metal plating in attack of the clones before his got his regular gold plating later on.
C-3po couldn’t translate the sixth language cuz it’s been noted that even the language of sith is connected to the dark side. And yeah there’s no way that a young snaking would put that failsafe there, but he didn’t create threepio, he just repaired him. Also, who’s to say that the Jedi didn’t put that failsafe there upon learning that the sith weren’t extinct
1) I'll give you that one maybe but it is jj 2) definite plothole 3) he was stressed, hi prosthesis 4)the boosters could totally have been rusted over 5)so wrong, respect lightspeed 6)I'm as confused as fans are but, well, it was a harsh cut so maybe it's for the better 7) this is about emotion & psychology, & also leia being returned to alderaan 8) it is strange 9) this is inexcusable, completely 10) ben solo could've been unsure of appearing to rey
During the Death Star II's wreckage reveal, I wondered how TF the remains went from one planetary system to some other region of the galaxy. Like, WTF.
There’s nothing about the Disney trilogy I just accepted
Clearly posted before even watching the video 😂 more then half are mistakes in episodes 1-3... you know, those movies which were allso absolutely hated including some if its main characters which are now seen as the best star wars characters/mascots ever (including Hayden... )
Disney isn't perfect, they never claim to be, they only pretend to be. And thats exactly as they should; its Disney for christ sake....
Answer on this comment in 10, 20 or 25 years please. Am pretty sure by then we gonna talk good about the start of the Disney saga and their decisions they made for the star wars universe. We may even gonna love Rey 😂
@@nickm9922Disney haters just like to make people feel bad for having Opinions, it’s just that they feel entitled to being a star wars fan because they hate disney and like george lucass
@@CelestialInfernoYT indeed they do 😂
S.T are okay movies but I grew up with the Expanded Universe so 90% of the time I choose to forget about VII, VIII, IX. I think of them as happening in a alternate timeline or a parallel universe. You know Where Star Wars is broken and the fact that Abrams had his greedy hands in Star Trek And star Wars is sacrilege to both
Couldn’t agree more. Just look at all the salty disney fans lol
My biggest and most bizarre moments were actually paying to go and see the latest three films. Utter madness
7 was okay 8 was awful 9 didnt make sense
Anakin didn't "build" C-3PO, he "re-built" him. It wasn't like he was welding, wiring, and programming a droid and it look JUST like other protocol droids. He found him somewhere and fixed him back up (mostly). The "no-sith" programming was almost certainly original (just like the millions of languages that Anakin certainly didn't know).
I was also thinking that he very easily could have been reprogrammed at some point.
Also it was Episode 4 that the galaxy assumed the Jedi religion to be dead. People knew the Jedi existed in I, they just rarely saw them active in most cases.
I think he mostly built him after getting hold of some hardware plans, but the "software", so to speak, was a standard data package that he scavenged or stole from somewhere.
I’d assume with the Sith being forbidden, that all droid basic programming forbids translation into any language, so the knowledge stays hidden.
That’s cute, coping for Disney like that
My favourite part of Ep IX was the end credits rolling.
cannot agree more.
A lot of hard work by costume and set designers and effects artists to prop up a 15 cent script that was thrown together during shooting. 🤮
Same.
And even the end credits were disappointing.
I had intended to reply: “When it ended” but I forgot and am too lazy to go back. Thanks for doing the work for me.🫡
By the time Ahsoka became Anakin's padawan Yaddle was dead... killed by Dooku as already mentioned.
While it's still possible she met Yaddle as a youngling it's equally probable toddler Ahsoka simply forgot.
Yeah she would have been about 4 maybe 6 when yaddle died
S.T are okay movies but I grew up with the Expanded Universe so 90% of the time I choose to forget about VII, VIII, IX. I think of them as happening in a alternate timeline or a parallel universe. You know Where Star Wars is broken and the fact that Abrams had his greedy hands in Star Trek And star Wars is sacrilege to both franchises
@JustMe-tx3nm Did you reply to the wrong post? This has nothing to do with my comment.
And the two biggest faults with the sequel trilogy are
1. Going in without a plan... any plan
2. Trying to retcon everything from VIII in IX
@@WaylandersWandering No I stand by my comment
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So I'm thinking that Obi-Wan didn't kill Vader in the Obi-Wan series is the same reason he hadn't finished Anakin off on Mustafarr. Mainly plot convenience, but also... maybe there was that little bit of Obi-Wan who just could't bring himself to kill his best friend/brother off.
That’s exactly what I thought.
Highly likely or he just knew that the Force had other plans for the duo. That he could sense that the time was not right. Not knowing when it would be, but that now was not the time.
In Kenobi's defense, with nobody around while Anakin was covered in fire from lava, he probably figured he would die anyways, and beyond that, it isn't the jedi way to kill for revenge or whatever, which yeah is a plot convenience but Kenobi also raised and trained Anakin for roughly 15 years before he became Vader. He loved the guy as a brother, I don't think I could kill my siblings(unless they put my kid in danger or cause harm, then it's free game), so it makes a bit of sense when thinking about it from a sociological or psychological perspective.
There is a history and intense amount of psychological conditioning between them. I figure Ben was afraid of what would happen to himself if he killed Anakin. Ben already had Qui-Gon's ghost haunting him.
Agreed. Also, it’s not the Jedi way. It’s one thing to kill him during combat, but once Vader was neutralized, Kenobi couldn’t just become an executioner.
Even assuming Anakin did program C-3P0 himself, it's likely that programming was updated after he gifted C-3P0 to Padmé, and the Republic did have laws against private ownership of Sith artifacts.
I was going to say something similar, the guy was pretty much republic employed/property, he's going to be programmed not to speak Sith lmao for obvious reasons
Like imagine if the Nazis had their own language, you think the computer would tell you what it says?
It's possible
Wasn't it mentioned the speaking of Sith was banned
Holy cow someone that can follow simple logic
He more assembled C3-PO, he put the appropriate module to build a C3 unit. There are plenty of them. If he would have built him he would be entirely different than other droids short of common parts. But regardless, Anakin is a mechanically gifted, software, AI and all would not be of his design.
Would R2 have known to associate Anakin with Darth Vader? How widely known was it that the masked, hulking and suddenly different voiced Sith lord was the former Anakin?
I go back and forth on whether Kenobi should have killed Anakin instead of leaving him to die in the hot lava. When Anakin killed an already subdued Dooku, that was considered part of his turn to the dark side. But really, wouldn't it have been a mercy and a protection for everyone else to have finished the job there?
The one I can't just accept is that a Sith dagger was created to exactly match the outline of a piece of rubble that is sitting in tidal waters and if you stand on the exact same spot and hold it at the exact same angle from the exact same elevation and no further disintegration has happened, it will point you to the location of the wayfinder. Oh and that dagger is going to be buried randomly on some other planet and hopefully nobody is using it in any way that would slightly change its contours...
Sith magic, it was enchanted to mirror the real-life location it was supposed to point to, including but not limited to eroding away as the tidal action impacted the rubble.
@@SpiderRiviera By that logic it should have been changing its shape as they approached and/or moved around or even raised it up in her hand. I think that's where Han would say, "That's not how the Force works!"
I highly doubt R2 wouldn't have known Vader was Anakin, simply due to the fact he was with him throughout the RotS, and he was "Darth Vader" before he was actually in the suit. Granted, the name might've just been used between him & Sidious. I can't recall off the top of my head if the name was used around others, like the 501st. Also, it's hard to believe R2 was with him so much and wasn't pricy to conversations between Sidious and Vader where Sidious referred to Anakin as his "Sith name".
@@JohnRalstenI don’t think there was enough time after being dubbed Vader for r2 to have more than one conversation. The one on mustafar before padme arrived. And it’s possible Sidious referred to Anikan as “my apprentice”
The Sith dagger was the most egregious macguffin, leading to a macguffin, to another plot device in the history of cinema. The entirety of episode 9 was pointless plot filler to round out a story without a point. The only thing I will give the movie is that it's actors did what they could with the material they were given and tried to move on with their careers.
The best park about the rise of Skywalker was finally seeing the credits roll up the screen and knowing I never had to endure this dark mark on Star Wars films
Two points. R2D2 never gives information like that, even when he found Obi Wan he didn't say this is the guy, he waited for Obi Wan to confirm his identity. Second he probably didn't know Vader was Luke's Father.
Yeah R2 has (to my recollection) never volunteered information. Droids in general seem to not do this, except maybe Chopper. They generally wait until a specific question or command is given before offering information.
@@QuintusAntonious which is why the segment of Leia's message couldn't be played in full for Luke (apart from R2 refusing to comply) since it was a private message for Ben Kenobi.
I like to think, that Luke could see the future when he planed the rescue of Han Solo. He could see the outcome (Jabbar death) but not the details of how he would die. Luke knew that he had to taunt him enough, so he would be brought to the Saarlac, where Jabba would meet his death. That is why he employed all his friends to somehow enrage the Jabba enough to send him there. Everything was more or less planned.
Seeing the future is a vary complicated power for a Jedi, even Yoda struggled with it. So I doubt Luke did it purposely. I'm inclined to think Luke sent Lando in as recon, then R2 and C3PO as a potential peace offering. R2 was placed in the palace to potentially free Han, not from the carbonite, but from the wall. Leia probably disliked this plan and took Chewie and made her own plan, then got captured and enslaved. I doubt Luke was banking on Jabba enslaving Leia then she strangle him to death.
Yeah, I agree... Luke could see the future and he wanted to see Leia wear that outfit.
I came to the same conclusion after getting the original unaltered version
Problem with number 10, its not 3P0s choice, nor is it programming from anakin. If you listen closely to 3P0s explanation, he clearly states that ALL protocol droids are forbidden from translating from ancient sith because of a long-standing decree from the old Republic, i suspect from the time of the rusaan reformation, 1000 years before the events of episode 1, or earlier. I suspect that this was brought in to prevent force sensitive beings (mostly jedi) from getting a little too curious and using protocol droids to decipher ancient sith, and thus falling to the dark side.
I accepted one of these and no others. The one I refer to is Luke's plan to rescue Han, but even then that wasn't Luke's exact detail-to-detail plan.
People make this mistake all the time when talking about the Joker's plan in the Dark Knight where they're talking about how everything needed to go exactly the way it did to get the end result when its simply a matter of having lots of failsafes in place for multiple failure redundancies.
With Lando and Chewie leaving to go rescue Han together at the end of Empire Strikes Back, Luke had a very long amount of time between then and his confrontation. Time he could use to meditate and literally see the "always in motion" future. This would allow him to perceive different ways he might succeed or fail. Maybe Lando and Chewie could rescue Han alone? If that doesn't work, have Leia sneak in posing as a bounty hunter with Chewbacca as backup for a credible bounty that would definitely get them an audience with him, then sneak out when they're sleeping. That could also go wrong, so before that he sent in R2-D2 and C-3P0 as a way to smuggle in his lightsaber. He could walk in and mind trick him, but he might be strong willed enough to resist it. Best course of action is to get everyone into place to rescue them and need be, blast/cut their way out.
After seeing all these possibilities, he put the plan together so well that he could confidently say to Han, "Don't worry. I've taken care of everything"
Anakin was likely able to get some sort of skin replacement to a certain point down his arm, similar to the eventual look of Luke’s more high tech medical tech
0:49 you’re forgetting another thing “we just accepted” is that there is a dagger that has the “ancient
Sith” writing and it’s only been around for less than 30 years. Also why would someone who had identified the location of a secret and important item leave it in the ruins of the Death Star?
Also the fact that you have to end up in the EXACT SPOT on the shore to even understand the dagger shape... Also how the kcuf has it not gone full Titanic? I can buy that the see is shallow, but with that heavy waving there is no way the Star could stay in the exact same position since the dagger was fabricated
1:22 I loved how subtly c3po kept reminding everyone that he'd had his memory wiped!
"How exciting, my first battle" or something clumsy like that every 5 minutes! 🤦
The most 🙄 was when he was saying goodbye, my friends....none of those characters are his friends. His real friends were either already dead or presumed dead, minus R2.
10. Didn't 3P0 also work as a senator's droid for years AND have his memory wiped at the end of 3? Who's to say they didn't install that programming in him at either time?
9. R2 knows the importance of secrecy and what shouldn't be told to people.
8. Having hid his lightsaber in R2, he knew he'd be going in there himself. I just don't think he expected Leia and Chewie to go in or get actually captured, right? I know he didn't expect Jabba to be immune to the mind trick, so that validated his back-up of the lightsaber hidden away.
7. Being a prequel, his jets worked, then sometime later they got broken and his parts were excessively rare because his creators' company shut down and he never really cared to have them properly fixed.
6. Not to mention EVERY movie constantly is doing lightspeed jumps in planets' atmospheres, which would tear them apart due to gravitational fields, which is why they don't just jump ships directly onto planet surfaces.
5. I NOTICED THIS SO OFTEN, I HATE IT. Not really but god, I noticed it early and lost it from then on.
4. Probably just due to he still sees Anakin in there despite everything, and he can't go through "killing" him again.
3. It's possible she didn't know Yaddle was one of those species. Yeah, Yaddle, Yoda, it's very similar, BUT names are all over the place in Star Wars, hard to tell what a species is just by the person's name.
2. The same thing happened in Legends, just instead of just being intact the reactor explosion sent a lot of debris through hyperspace. Parts of it were even on Mon Calamari. So pieces being intact on a moon nearby isn't out of the question.
1. It's likely he just couldn't due to internal conflict still being a thing or decided not to because he didn't need to be there despite the sacrifice and relationship with Rey.
Number 10 its a decree from the time of the old Republic (i suspect around the time of the rusaan reformation or earlier) that ALL translations from ancient sith are prohibited. So while any protocol droid could read and understand the dagger, none would be able to make the translation
The correct answer is 10, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, and 1 never happened because that's the Disney crap. 9, George Lucas hadn't even decided Luke was Anakin's son yet, and 8 can be explained away by simple desperation.
I assumed R2-D2 didn't mention knowing Obi Wan or Annikin because the droid is famously eccentric.
@@Craxin01 R2-D2 *repeatedly* said (beeped?) that he needed to find his "former master," Obi-Wan Kenobi. Luke even noted, "I've never seen such devotion in a droid before."
As for not mentioning Anakin ... he last saw Anakin before the duel with Obi-Wan; the next encounter was with a fully-realized Darth Vader. It's plausible R2 really didn't recognize him. However, that does not explain why R2 didn't question the Skywalker name (is it a common name in their galaxy?), nor does it explain why Vader never mentioned R2 (or C-3PO, for that matter) after seeing them again.
@@Craxin01 yeah he didn't know anyone called "Annikin" . He knew Anakin.
My favorite moment in "Rise of Skywalker " was when Kylo Ren defeated Rey.
Really not hard to see why Ashoka did not know yaddle. Yaddle died 32bby, Ashoka was born 36bby and was taken into the Jedi order at 33bby. Ashoka would only have been 3-4 yrs old when she may have meet yaddle and even then it was at such a young age that it wouldn’t be that hard to forgot names/faces/events. She knew personally about yoda and how strong he was so to only mention yoda would fit.
So two things. 1) Amazing video as always dudes. 2) My favorite moment from Rise of Skywalker was Chewbacca's reaction to Leia's death that bleeds into the Han and Ben scene. Best part of the movie in my opinion.
Think about all the characters Chewbacca interacted with and he survived them all. Han, Luke, Leia, Yoda, Obi-Wan. I’m sure there are more. Of all the characters, he lost the most friends.
@@wadehm63 Wookiees have much longer lifespans than humans; 400 standard years on average. Chewie was 180 years old when he first met Han Solo.
When you live that long and pal around with humans who only live a fraction of that, yeah, you'll probably lose a lot of friends just to old age. And that says nothing of the ... er ... "occupational hazards" of smuggling as a profession.
Don't get me started on Lightspeed skipping 😂
1. That would basically die.
2. The empire wouldn't be able to track them so they wouldn't be followed by tie fighters because
3. Tie fighters don't have hyperdrives as we all know
My favourite part of episode IX was Kylo's last word "Ow!" which perfectly encapsulates everything I had felt watching the sequels.
Isn't it more likely that the Sith restriction was added after Threepio was mindwiped. I assume he need a software upload after that.
When I was a kid first watching the Solo rescue in "Return", my head cannon was it was actually 3 separate plans to save Han that just happened to take place at the same time. Luke using the droids, Leia and Chewy with sneaky sneaky, and Lando with the long con.
R2, is old, as anything mechanical ages, parts (like thrusters) stop functioning properly. Even when he was with Anakin, his personality was a little prickly at times, so not telling luke who his father was after just meeing him makes perfect sense; also assuming that Skywalker is a name unique to 3 people out of trillions in the galaxy. Also, just because he didn't have his memory wiped at the end of episode 3, doesn't mean someone didn't have it done sometime in the following 2 decades. Or that a droid with a tendency to get into trouble, didn't get himself damaged in a way that fried that particular memory chip. On the Jabba rescue, Luke specifically said to Han "I had to get you out of there, Jabba's palace was just too well guarded". So maybe the elaborate plan was necessary to get everyone out to somewhere more vulnerable, like breaking someone out of a prison transfer van, rather than a maximum security prison. Programming 3po is probably just a matter of downloading a standard language pack, and in a galaxy ruled by a control freak sith, it makes sense to make it illegal for anyone but him and his apprentice to be able to understand the language. Then when the new republic took over, they certainly wouldn't want anyone else to be able to understand the writing on ancient sith artefacts either. Anakin's hand was a continuity error, oops, and the rest is badly written Disney fan fic, so it's just a load of shit to begin with.
"Kid, it just ain't that kinda movie"
What Harrison Ford said to Mark Hamill on the set of the first Star Wars film applies to every SW movie since
1:17 yes but it is canon that C3-PO has had his memory wiped several times, and likely had been reprogrammed to a certain extent. It is also likely that Anakin had used repurposed droid parts (possibly even memory and programming circuits) to make C3-PO.
4:00 Lukes entire character by Return was based around him knowing he could triumph by force, but he still didn’t flex his power and instead gave life forms across the galaxy (from hutts to the ewoks) chance after chance for redemption, knowing that some of the scummiest beings will still turn it around
The most bizarre Star Wars moment I just accepted is that anyone ever confused any Star Wars movie, with a good movie.
the "hyperspace skipping" stunt was one of many things I don't accept about JarJar Abrams' debacle.
And of course Poe’s hyper speed hoping was a new gen statement that goes like this
“I’m young, you’re old so I’m smarter and better, so watch how I make precise calculations on a drop of a dime while you old guys take 5 min”!
My favourite moment from The Rise of Skywalker:
When the film ended!
Sadly, I can’t erase the memory of having seen that film.
9:33 This is an easy one to explain, the Emperor's throne surivived.........some how.
Anakin cant teach a droid a million languages. He obviously installed a language program.
There was a scene in the theatrical version of The Phantom Menace where, just before the return to Naboo, R2-D2 falls off the floating platform and uses his jets to fly back up.
I feel like alot of these you could explain, but still a fun video that at least makes you think how it could be explained.
It’s simple, Artoo ain’t no snitch!
My favorite moment from the Rise of Skywalker is when the movie ended.
Young Anakin build him will spare parts, so it was in his program before he build him
Why would Ben Solo immediately come back as a ghost? It took Qui-Gon a long time after death before he had learnt to communicate with the living.
This video:
- Original trilogy stuff that actually can be explained somewhat
- Anakin’ arm
- Disney stuff no one ever accepted
I noticed absolutely every episode 9 problem and vehemently hated them. Let me add to your list the Millennium Falcon getting magically fixed after being on fire from the light speed jumping, when we spent an entire movie in episode 5 dealing with trying to fix problems with the ship. Super inconsistent and stupid.
You forgot this little gem... In "The Last Jedi" Rey & Kylo destroy Anakin/Luke's light saber hilt tearing it in two. In the "The Rise of Skywalker" it is magically back together without any explanation. It's as if it never even happened.
Did we all forget about last Jedi?
1. Bombers that use gravity to drop bombs in space.
2. The 2 hour space chase scene had many holes. First what was the first orders plan to have the resistance run out of fuel if so what about there own fuel, secondly why wait to destroy them the chase is basically a straight line the first order never thought about sending there location to the hundreds of ships to warp in front the resistance fleet. Third and the most fascinating if using warp is possible to destroy ships why did they wait until one of last ships to do this they probably could of escaped if they used this move with the first ship about to run out of fuel.
There is more from the last Jedi I don’t have time to list them all.
Having heard of someone is a lot different than knowing them.
You could say.. when Bail wiped C3POs memory that's when the restrictions of Sith was placed due to what had just occurred.
Yoda waits decades for Luke to be trained. Rejects Kenobi's assertion that Luke is their only hope. Hangs in long enough after Luke skips lessons to save Han. Then goes from hello, to feeling a bit tired to dying in one conversation. Did he have a broken heart?
Pretty sure that Bail Organa would have had R2's memory wiped when he realized it contained enough info to put Luke and Leia in serious danger of being found out if ever captured.
Forget about the thrown, there is no room beyond the walls of the thrown room itself! If you know the architecture of the Emperor's thrown spire, you know that those rooms with the large circular windows that bubble outward have nothing but outer space beyond the walls. Therefore, Rey could not have found a walk-in closet against its wall for that other wayfinder. Although her encounter with her dark self may have been imaginary, the room and the wayfinder are shown as physjcal.
I liked one thing about the rise of skywalker, the end credits.
Not just that, but Why did Rey get to keep BB-8? Poe didn't have any issue with her taking his droid? Rey gets: Han's ship, Luke's last name, former home, & lightsaber, Leia's lightsaber, and Poe's droid?
R2D2 didn’t know Anakin was Vader. He assumed Obiwan killed him.
My favourite bit of The Rise of Skywalker was when the credits rolled.
You gotta remember, yaddle died fighting Dooku and sideous not long after the events of The Phantom Menace, when Anakin was 9 years old and ahsoka if you do the math would have only been around 4, (she was found by plo koon at 3 years old) she would likely have had little memory of yaddle if she had encountered her in that roughly 1 year she had been in the temple prior to thos events if she had even encountered yaddle at all.
Coming out of hyperspace inside a planetary atmosphere in The Force Awakens was a jaw droppingly stupid moment in the film. (Going into hyperspace from inside a starship was equally boneheaded in the film.)
If you look at it from the standpoint of droids attaining sentience, and thus R2 attaining use of the Force, and thus being the true Chosen One it all comes together pretty nicely.
The issue of droid sentience is the elephant in the room throughout the movies. They're not welcome at Mos Eisley cantina? Why? The droid uprising in which they murdered lots of organics, that's why. Greivous was the first to organize the droids in revolt. He failed.
The Disney trilogy should have been about a true Sith droid who could use the Force (the horror!) and Annakin and the Jedi going to confront him. In the end, Annakin and Palpatine take over the already made to order droid army and fleet, thus founding the galactice Empire. Slipping into the throne like that would be a move either Jedi OR Sith would do, making it the perfect ploy for Annakin and Palpatine. In fact, it would seem they were fighting for good until the very last moment.
It's real simple -- R2D2 was the Chosen One, meant to restore balance to the Force. Annakin was great friends with R2, and loved R2 as a true friend. This connection imbued R2 with the Force -- and sure enough, we see that R2 can communicate across great distances with both Annakin and Luke, telepathically, using the Force. We merely suppose that it's Luke or Annakin's Force powers alone that enable this. We never stop to ask how the hell it works with R2.
R2 sought out Annakin, saved the day and guided Annakin and Luke throughout, and orchestrated the whole Palpatine-Skywalker circus into restoring balance to the Force -- and it would really make sense in my version of the Disney trilogy -- a good droid with the Force, balancing the Force for the droids, the new lifeform.
I mean, I honestly think the sentience of the droids was a big theme in Star Wars originally. By the end though it's completely forgotten and ignored. Still, I think the nature of the droids as presented is very curious. Robots aren't typically shown with feelings, and the droids in Star Wars having feelings seems very intentional -- and in that case there surely must be more to the story in George Lucas' head concerning the very unique robots he presented.
Also, fuck mitichlorians. The Force was spiritual in the original concept. At some point, some dumbass -- likely Lucas himself -- came up with the utter shit idea of mitichlorians. I was, like, WHAT??? How does that even work with Force Ghosts? They don't have bodies, therefore can't have any damn mitichlorians. So fuck mitichlorians.
I love Luke's "plan." It made no sense 😂
I hated having to accept that Phasma could turn off the planetary defenses at gunpoint without guards to overtake or even a second person needing to be there as a fail safe for those defenses. I work in a bank and I can’t even open the vault without a second person’s codes. I love Star Wars but that is by far my least favorite scene
The answer to #9 is simple: R2 doesn't know Anakin is Vader. When AS is knighted as Darth Vader, R2 is not in the room. When AS ransacks the Jedi Temple, R2 is again NOT there. And while R2 probably saw the beginning of the Kenobi Skywalker dual he was helping 3PO tend to Padme the rest of the time. Kenobi believes AS is dead (shown in the Disney+ series) and likely tells R2 as much. The droid has NO REASON to believe that DV is AS because he believes his master is dead. R2 probably later told Luke of all the great heroic things AS did during The Clone Wars cementing Luke's belief that his father was a great warrior.
But he would know that OB1 killed Lukes dad and not Vader as he hears OB1 tell Luke.
I'm thinking about it and R2-D2 might not have known Anakin was Luke's father. Anakin and Padme were being secretive about their relationship and weren't exactly going to "make babies" in front of R2-D2, why would they tell him if they didn't even tell Obi-Wan.
Id have to rewatch the movie again, but I can't picture in my head R2-D2 being around to hear the information that Anakin was Luke's father. Unless was he in the baby delivery scene? I cant remember
they probably thought it would have cheapened his death for the audience, if they had Ben's force ghost show up, only minutes after he died
The best part of ROS is when the closing theme starts playing…
2:30 R2 Also knew abaout luke and leia being brothers and he didnt stop them from kissing
RE: Ben Solo's Force ghost: You're asking the wrong question.
Most Jedi souls merge with the Force upon their deaths; like water poured into a river, their individual thoughts and traits become indistinguishable from the stream. Becoming a Force ghost -- retaining one's consciousness within the Force after death -- was alluded during the Clone Wars (late in Ep. 3, I think?), right before the remaining Jedi went into hiding: there's a specific and extremely difficult Force training they must complete, while still alive, in order to become a Force ghost after death. (And Force ghosts will eventually merge with the Force as well; it's not a permanent condition.)
Yoda (re)discovered it, and tasked Obi-Wan with finding and completing it during their exile, which he obviously did. However, there's no indication that Anakin went through it or even knew about it -- nor is there any indication that a Sith *can* complete it. And while we can safely assume that Obi-Wan's ghost told Luke about it, Leia didn't devote herself to Force training like her brother did (she is clearly Force-sensitive, but she's no Jedi), and Luke probably did not tell his nephew about how to become a Force ghost after Ben fell and became Kylo Ren -- or he did, but Sith can't do it.
The question isn't, "Where is Ben Solo's Force ghost?" The fact he doesn't have one is canonically easy to explain. The right question is, "How and why do Anakin and Leia have Force ghosts?" (Other than plot convenience and happy endings, that is.)
Addendum: The same right question applies to Qui-Gon Jinn's Force ghost; Yoda hadn't yet rediscovered the training required when Qui-Gon died, so how and why did he get one? (Again, other than plot convenience and happy endings.)
The fact the Disney movies own the lion’s share of these faux pas is not surprising in the slightest
I accept the fact that there are six Star Wars movies. Never heard of those 7-9 episodes.
In Return Of The Jedi, when the force ghosts appear to Luke on Endor, we originally had an older Anakin joining Yoda and Obi Wan. Later, Lukas would make the huge error of adding young Anakin into the ghost group, but if being a force ghosts allows you to appear as your younger self, why wasn’t Obi Wan replaced with younger Obi and why did Yoda still look to be 900 years old?
Lukas tried to come up with a reason why this happened, but his reason was ridiculous, convoluted and made no sense. George’s excuse went something like, “The latter two never turned to the Dark Side, so they don't have a point to "go back to where we left it off" like Anakin”……. Uh…. Yeah. Just admit you screwed up by putting young Anakin in there in the first place George!
The best part of the Rise of Skywalker was when it ended
Episode IX. Indeed. What a ride, what a ride.
I just can't accept Vader was able to be just fine with his facemask chipped off in Kenobi.
The R2D2 thing is just a plot hole created by the prequels, George obviously hadn't planned on making them till later.
The r2d2 having no knowledge of anakin as Vader is explained at the end of episode 3, after padme gives birth. Senator Organa says to have the droids memory wiped, referring to c3po and r2d2
I personally wonder why the hell Leia was carrying around Chewie's medal and just never gave it to him! What the hell?! "Haha, I actually DO have a medal for Chewie, but he'll have it over my dead body! AHAHAHAHA!"
R2 probably didn't 'know' that Anakin was Vader. He probably assumed, as did most people, that Anakin perished on Mustafar. It wasn't until later that Obi-Wan learned that Anakin survived and turned into Vader. It's likely R2 never learned the truth.
Watch Revenge Of The Sith closely and you’ll see that R2-D2 is never present in the scenes that involve Anakin becoming Darth Vader. He doesn’t see what happened in Palpatine’s office, he doesn’t see what happened at the Jedi temple, and when arriving on Mustafar, Anakin tells him to stay with the ship so Artoo never sees Anakin kill the Seperatists or his duel with Obi-Wan. As far as Artoo knows, Anakin really was killed by Darth Vader.
According to the novel "Heir to the Empire" Obi-Wan could no longer appear to Luke so it is likely that Obi-Wan was able to teach Luke to become a Force Ghost which he passed to Leah but Ben never had training to do so.
in Revenge of the Sith when Dooku and Obi are fighting, Dooku drops an entire floor on top of Obis legs... nope he ok.. just a scratch..
I haven't even accepted that the Rise of Skywalker exists.
My favorite moment of Rise of Skywalker was the credit scene when I left the theatre.
I always figured the Sith language was probably made illegal at some point during the high republic era and droid motherboard manufacturers put the restriction in place to be in compliance. That makes more sense than Anakin doing it.
*Not to be that nerd, but 3po not being able to read sith makes sense. Anakin wasn’t fabricating parts in between slave shifts, or ordering manufactured electronics from the other side of the galaxy. He was using scraps, and whatever programming was already on them. A box of scraps in the middle of a desert huh? Sounds familiar Disney*
R2-D2 . . . . . "You'll believe a Droid can fly" (Cue Superman theme music or something) Still, it's more acceptable than The Rise of Skywalker
My favourite moment from Rise of Skywalker is right before I started watching it.
The overly-elaborate plan for Han's rescue was, as I saw it, PlanA, PlanB, PlanC, like any good military leader should have. Rise of Skywalker had a bushel of "make shit up" moments and threads, worthy of a list of its own. In the scene where you specifically ask about the whereabouts of Ben's forceghost, I was more puzzled about why Rey would bury those lightsabers in the sand in the first place. Wouldn't be handy to have a couple of spares around, in case of...well...amputation and loss of one's lightsaber down an inexplicable shaft?
Favorite moment of the Rise of Skywalker was when it was finally over.
Favorite moment of rise of Skywalker? When the credits rolled.
C3-P0 wasn't built from scratch. He was built from scrap. Which means the brainy bits existed already. But also: Palpatine got the Senate to pass a law restricting protocol droids from translating Sith runes, which meant C3-P0, as a protocol droid in service to Senator Amidala... would have been installed with the prohibitive software AFTER construction. Not during.
I don't know if canon explains why R2 didn't tell Luke about Anakin, but Legends do (see the Dark Nest trilogy by Troy Denning). The reasons Threepio can't speak Sith may be many, but I guess the Jedi wiped out everything that was known about them when they defeated them (or so they thought) a millennia before Anakin was discovered by Qui-Gon. Threepio was constructed sometime inbetween these two events (Anakin only found his "lifeless" body in Watto's junkyard and brought him back to "life".)
Favorite moment from rise of Skywalker was the beginning. Like so deep into the beginning, it didn't exist yet
R2D2 not telling Luke could be explained by the fact he never saw Obi-Wan and Anakin fighting. The next one seen was Obi-Wan with the thoughts of Yoda that Anakin was consumed by Vader and therefore was killed by Vader.
Obi-Wan didn't kill Vader because murdering a defeated opponent is not the Jedi way.
Episode 9 was 1 big bizar Star Wars moment.
Ahsoka was 3 at time she was brought into the temple and would only have been living there for a year by the events of episode 1, it's possible Ahsoka either forgot Yaddle or no one ever really mentioned her to Ahsoka.
The best moments in Rise of sSkywalker were when the end credits rolled and this trainwreck of disaster finaly was over
10- Anakin got the code off whatever passed for droid Stack Overflow, it worked, who cares if it prevents the droid from speaking some obscure ancient language that nobody on some backwater planet ever speaks?
9- R2D2 never actually saw Anakin become Vader, as far as he knew Anakin fought Obi-Wan and never came back so probably dead. Also nobody knew Vader was Luke’s dad in episode 4 because George Lucas hadn’t thought of it yet.
7- Again, Lucas didn’t think of it yet.
6- Because nobody could possibly invent a better computer in the 30-odd years between episodes 4 and 9?
4- What else could happen? They couldn’t do much with either character since both needed to return for Episode 4, making the whole series a bit pointless.
3- How many people’s names do you remember from being a two-year-old? (Episode 1 is 12 years before the Clone Wars where a 14 year old Ashoka first appears).
2- It’s not all that unreasonable for a big chunk of the very outside of the second Death Star to have survived the explosion and then crashing into a planet, it’s a planet-destroying space megastructure and not exactly flimsy.
The Star Destroyer gunners not firing on the escape pod in ANH, even though they believed it was empty???
Owen and Beru not recognising 3PO and R2 in ANH, even though they were identical to Anakin's droids and had the same names.
Luke being "hidden" with Anakin's adopted family on Anakin's home planet, and keeping his original surname.
Obi-Wan hiding using his original surname whilst continuing to dress as a Jedi.
Leia having Han fly straight to the Rebel base in ANH, even though she knew they were being tracked.
The Rebel starfighters having to fly down a trench to target the Death Star exhaust port rather than diving down on it from above.
Owen and beru hadn't seen R2 and 3PO in over twenty years they could have simply forgot their names.
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Also their would be thousands of droids that are the same models as R2 and 3PO.
That and 3PO had rusty metal plating in attack of the clones before his got his regular gold plating later on.
The trench gave the fighters cover from most of the surface guns.
The Death Star remnants basically confirm Endor holocaust theory.
C-3po couldn’t translate the sixth language cuz it’s been noted that even the language of sith is connected to the dark side. And yeah there’s no way that a young snaking would put that failsafe there, but he didn’t create threepio, he just repaired him. Also, who’s to say that the Jedi didn’t put that failsafe there upon learning that the sith weren’t extinct
1) I'll give you that one maybe but it is jj 2) definite plothole 3) he was stressed, hi prosthesis 4)the boosters could totally have been rusted over 5)so wrong, respect lightspeed 6)I'm as confused as fans are but, well, it was a harsh cut so maybe it's for the better 7) this is about emotion & psychology, & also leia being returned to alderaan 8) it is strange 9) this is inexcusable, completely 10) ben solo could've been unsure of appearing to rey
During the Death Star II's wreckage reveal, I wondered how TF the remains went from one planetary system to some other region of the galaxy. Like, WTF.