ZX10R vs Ducati V4S Dyno Battle at Moore Mafia - ZX10-R V4 S
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- čas přidán 2. 08. 2023
- Two friends rode their bikes into the Moore Mafia headquarters to see which bike is superior? Will this Kawasaki ZX-10R top out the 2020 Ducati V4S which cost almost double the price??
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Super happy with the tune. The ride back on the ZX10 was amazing. Was like riding a new bike.
$? For the tune?
Its like riding the bike you paid for rather than one thats been handcuffed and hogtied.
@@robertoamaya1265 starts at 575 for japanese bikes with standard ecu, 1200+ for standalone ecu stuff like a haltech or motec. Link to the website in the description.
Who won the race , I know yall lined up otw home
🔥🔥🔥How is the ZX10 holding up
THATS MY DUC!!! Don’t worry, I’ve been inspired to get an actual tune 🙋🏻♂️
Big shout out to Moore Mafia, had tons of fun, although our legs and back are permanently disfigured from the ride 🙃
I have the same Duc with the Akra exhaust and the Ducati Evo tune, it was 205.
Tune your v4s mines the same year and made 217 on pump on the dyno.
@@r0hx227who did your tune?
Everybody is shouting out their whp #’s but not every dyno is the same. It would be worth it to go back to the same dyno afterwords to see. Also I’ve heard the upmap from Ducati is the best.
No reclining seat or ac on that duc ?? Sounds amazing 🤤
The GSXR 1000 & ZX10R are a better choice in option. U get the same power, more reliability, ( won't break down like Ducati) and cheaper prices. Japanese Bike are undefeated 💪🏽
Own 3 ducs and several Japanese bikes. Ducati is dead reliable. Also build quality is better. Whether they are worth the extra money is up to you and your wallet.
Fact bro. 23 v4 no problem 2019 zx 10 r rebuild gearbox electric problem same applies on bmw s1000rr 2016 that I personally had .so stop the bs Japanese breaking like any other bikes it just some ppl can't afford nothing but cheapest bikes. Property tune v4 is moto gp as closely u can get .😅 will destroy most of not all Japanese 😅
@@Hunt227 rebuild of a gearbox on both kawa and s1000rr? Sounds like too many wheelies? though i had a 2014 s1000rr and i didn't like how expensive they are to maintain. and it did have issues in the first 6 months.
I think something not mentioned here is practicality/cost efficiency. I would rather pay less in routine servicing and have a bike that i can ride on comfortably. Unfortunately the Duc is not known for those things. Have issues with a Kawa and it's a reasonable cost to fix. Have issues with a BMW or Duke and it may put you off riding bikes.
@@dwainmcarthur2565 how about the maintenance cost for the Dukes, would you say it's reasonable? I'm from australia and everything is expensive here - but at least when it comes to Japanese products they're easier to get ahold of and generally reliable.
@G-Man01 best bike ever if u can afford not only fastest ones properly tune but best looking I put 5k on bike no problem. U can ride your bs Japanese bike that u have to invest tonn to make it fast but even then it won't be ducati no hp wise not preforming none of Japanese bike can even stay next to duc same applies to bmw .it nor you falt u can't drop 40k on bike . Duc is for chosen ppl . It obviously u not one of them . One of main reson I love duc is that with minimum mods u get crazy hp and torque. In case of Japanese or German no matter what u do to them u not going to get 210 to 215 to wheel on pump gas . Never .with minimal mods .that fact not to mention race gas
I'd go with the Kawa all day on the reliabilty fact alone!
Tell us you know nothing about Ducati reliability without telling us you know nothing about Ducati reliability 🙄
@@flamintasty quite honestly, these v4 engines are pretty good. have yet to seen one had ANY issue. even electrical. only one time i saw the taillight had an issue but that is besides the point. i have to say these new ones are pretty solid.
@@TheRealBhuadoyea but here’s the thing maintenance is much more expensive for it
@@Anonymous-jj9yuDo the shit yourself? I left the big 4 about 10 years ago and haven't ever looked back. Yeah the maintenance costs more.. but if your the type of guy who's gonna spend 100$ to get your tire mounted and balanced at a dealer, than the exotics probably aren't for you
You know zero about the V4 platform. Best engine I've had yet. 10,000 mi on my V4SP and it's still perfect.
2023-Kawasaki ZX-10-RR has been absolutely incredible in my Life!!!!
mhmmm
Like to see the Duc with a proper flash.
They aren't going to be able to stand up straight for a week😜 They are champs for making the trip!
650ib just did a Dyno comparison of the v4r , v4s, bmw m 2023, a older m, a 23 regular bmw and a aprilla. Very interesting, the v4s with the 1100 made the most with 199 hp 85tq. The v4r was 2nd with 198 hp 75tq.
different dyno can cause different results...
@@rizqiramadhan5111 yep. Every Dyno is different. Dyno on different days would be different. Even morning to night would be different. But that wasn't my point. Was just letting everyone know about a different comparison to watch.
The lowest v4 196 to 203 that deferent dinos .the lowest s 1000rr 189 to 193 that not to mention stock 23 s 1000rr 173 to rear that stock . The lowest v4 22 to 23 191 to 196 that stock v4 that why I got it cuz u can easily ride it stock still power house. Which I can say about rest Japanese or German bikes cuz of restrictions in stock form .lifeless. if u got money ducati is a way .pls don't hate if u can't afford one or try one cuz it will change way u see racing period that comes from a guy that had 3 Japanese liter bike one German not older then 18 .😅
Who spends 40k on a bike and gets obsessed with peak horse power and has chicken strips that big? Somebody who rides in straight lines.
Settle down, tires had 200 miles on em before the trip.
I noticed that too lol. But then again I wouldn't be comfortable leaning the DUC given the possibilities of lowsiding a 40 grand bike
That’s not a dry clutch on the V4. Also, getting a used 2020 V4 with the pipe already installed is likely cheaper than a new 2023 Kawi ZR-10r
Nope
Tune the duc and it's over 😎🐐
ain't urs broken again?
Lol @@beau7530
That’s why brentune states - the Ducati with the unlock is the most capable engine they work on.
Moore Mafia is such a great, honest and informative channel. I always appreciate the work you do Chris, your content is always on the top of my watch list. If it were me, I'd definitely pick the ZX10.
Keep doing your thing, bigups from South Africa.
Love these dyno battles. I'd be happy on either bike.
12 minutes, so good, so many others would of dragged this out to 45 minutes
220 RWHP for the duke and 195RWHP for the quacker
I have spent double (and more) of the money on several Ducati's that were subsequently modded...replacement race ECU's, race filter, air box mods, full exhaust, cams...and while the gains are real, the actual cost isn't worth it. The gains are too small. I predict Kawasaki 186.7 hp, Ducati 201 hp...
That thing is a fire breathing dragon!
Ducati bikes to me mechanically have always sounded loud. But as far as the exhaust. I love the deeper tones from them ❤
My 23 ZX10R dyno/ecu flash 195HP / 86 TQ
Hi boys, I love how you are taking the bs out of the hp figures. Truth in tuning. Just love it.
8k for an exhaust is a wank. A tune, a filter a and slip on would be just as effective for the duke and still have money left over. Also I am biased, just love kwaka's.
If there was ONE bike that needed a swingarm pivot adjustment the ZX10r is the one. The Ducati is also pushing a 200/60 tire.
do a weigh in before writing the duc off, full exhaust is for weight savings not much is gained on horsepower maybe 5-8 hp for full exhaust then reflash . kawi is heavy and could benefit from a full titanium exhaust. getting rid of the exhaust flapper and cat is a huge weight savings. so like chris has said many times rolling weight is huge when racing. the Duc will probably beat the kawi just because of weight
I’d rather buy a used ZX10 for $7-8k then build a stroked and bored monster out of it.
And still lose in the curves to the Ducati.
@@2Lavelleyea right 😂
@@2Lavelle that’s all good. I dont ride like that anymore. I’d rather go to the drag strip and do my racing there.
stroker motors are always more fun
Used ZX10 , Pistons, rods,valve springs, studs! Turbo ! 💪😎🇺🇲
Damn, I was hoping to see the tq curve as well. I'm team green all the way, but I can bet the Duc made lots more avg and peak tq too.
looks like the pops and bangs on over run is making the exhaust hot .
Im right down the rd in Charleston and would love to get my Ducati tuned. When you start tuning them let me know!
Ready to see that R1 grudge racing lil brother awesome video
I want a job i love as much as yours man. Loce watching ya just rev the bike and warm it up and test it and just love listining to the pops. Just playin around but working at the same time. Thats a good honest working man right there 🤟🏼✊🏼 Ride a 23Duc V4s as well❤ That Zx10R exhaust is just NASTY Obnoxious ❤❤
Hello Chris, I have the same bike but 2021 with the same exact parts. I did get the tune with the bangs and pops. But this bike pops way more especially when u let go the throttle and get that first back fire. Any updates to the tune?
That ZX10 sounds amazing and I thought my MT10 pops and bangs but nothing like this 💥🔥...
Makes me wish I lived in the US to get a tune like that.. 👍🇬🇧
Definitely coming to y'all's shop once im ready to do mine ❤
As the owner of a Ducati XDiavel S with the Termi installed from the dealer, when they’re shipped and installed, they come with an UPMAP because they know it has to be tuned.
That V4S is producing much more HP in the usable range compared to at redline.
Making a commitment before watching the video past the introduction. Sure I have always loved the Ducati, as they are some of the sweetest works of art in motorcycle form. However, because of aftermarket parts prices and maintenance cost I would never spend my money on one. I feel I can get the performance from a Japanese bike that will rival the Ducati and at a lower cost. Now if money were no object then that may be a different story??
I’m going with the Kawi. That would make three in my garage. The Duc is sharp, sounds amazing, but I just could justify the money and headaches that go with it.
The v4 sound in person! That video just doesn't do justice!
that SC sound and tune is awesome💥
The Panigale is a 2018 with white frames and narrow body
ill be there in the morning to get mine done cant wait.
The Ducati cause Iv always liked them and Iv never had one
It's a Ducati . . . money is no object. if you have to worry about price, buy a vespa. With a PROPER tune the Ducati picks up 7-8 hP and the mid-range is even stronger. Ducati for the win. BTW, I got Chris to dyno my 1199 for me while I was tuning the engine. Slip-on exhaust, my own tuning. 180hP from a 2013 1199. Not bad for a low-rpm V-twin, and the torque curve is 10 lbs-ft stronger than either the V4s or zx10. . it just doesn't rev to 14,000 rpm.
I’m defiantly coming here for a tune!!!🔥🔥🔥🔥
Be interested to see what you can do to the new Suzuki GSX8 8, it seems very flat at the top, and would like to see what you get out of it after you magic touch.
A Ducati Panigale V4 or SFV4 will annihilate a ZX10R on any bench test if both standard or both tuned/modified. Only Kawi beating a Ducati is the H2 platform.
Thank God I will buy some for myself
What a battle #mooremafia I’m bringing all thumbs 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
My brother got his Ecu back and we selected the pops and bangs and it is not popping like that! He has that same sc s1 exhaust. Is there something that we have to turn on?
Guy could get an older GSX-R1000 and cams/porting/hi-comp-pistons/overbore for a lot less and make the Duc look slow.
Chris, why don't you tune the Ducati if Woolich has the software for it?
What program does he use to tune? For instance a local spot near me wants me to spend $500 on a PC6 and then $500 more for a dynojet tune.
do you ever come to Gainseville FL?
I’d rather have that Ducati than that giveaway h2.
The Duc is a great bike if you can afford the maintenance. I’ve owned a 1198 maintenance is what kept me from riding it as much as my GSXR or KRT ZX10R
Exactly 🤣
3 year difference and ot was ridden a long way and no special tuning Kawasaki was newer and had special to tune up but kawa on price wins ,money no object Ducati ❤ respect 😮
Chris never pulling any punches! topG in the game. Question I want that shirt but can't find it in the shop store for the giveaway is it a 1 off or am I just not seeing it. Thanks 🙂
I don't like the pops and bangs but the inside of the pipe turning orange is cool as hell. Probably not real good for it but cool
Never been this early on a video lol keep up the amazing content brotha🙏
Ducati sounds perfect!
Ducati is like the Harley of sport bikes.
WE want HYPER BUSA results -when coming to your store to buy ?? smoke whoever .
Sounds like the Ducati is your next buy.
I'm a Kawi fan,the Kawi doesn't have nothing for that ducati,especially up top.
Love the sound and the pops
But I’m a hooligan
Let's go baby the godfather of tuning bikes Chris Moore
Lmao no he aint by a long shot
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@@exothermal.sprocket Open Flash tune > BT moto
@@2Lavelle Don't care. I was just listing common tuners.
What's going to happen they found out on the way to get there.
Lol my 2011 busa just made 191 at the wheel yesterday and 117ft.lbs torque.Thats a hp bargain.
Goodbye exhaust packing lol
not sure why people want that stupid pops and bangs crap
For the overall power and sound - Ducati.......best buy ? Used 2017/18 gsxr1000 👍
Always sticking to that wasaki gang
I have the 2020 ZX10R that you did my flash for and a 2021 Panigale V4 that I did all work to it, my Kawasaki makes 194hp and my Ducati 203hp on the same Dyno, there is something not right with that V4S.🤔
We wanna see more Ducati videos
We love you.
My fuel tank isn't big enough for that amount of pops and bangs 😂
I own a 09 R1 with a decat. I get a couple of pops on decel. I try to keep it tasteful.
Fun video. Not really much of a comparison as oeak nunbers dont tell much a d nerher do dynos. But the the Ducati Desmostradici V4 is probably the best motorcycle engine being built right now. They just make power EVERYWHERE. Gear doesnt matter. RPM doesnt matter. The ZX10 is a great bike but theyre reslly not thay much cheaper anymore. I ride a Streetfighter V4S. And i came from a long line if Japanese liter bikes. None of them feel like this V4, and thays just the icing on the cake. The chassis, the brakes, the suspension, the electronics. Everything Is just so revined snd dialed on these bikes now.
My mates have zx10r 2016 and 2023 both make 195whp on 98ron both same mods father and son duo haha both have sc1r pipes and k&n filters yip filters are garbage soon to put mwr wsbk with velocity stacks .
Great content🔥
Appreciate it
Love these dyno comparisons. It should always be mentioned that Ducatis have to cheat a little with there 1100cc's engines compared to the 1000cc's of most of the other bikes
not true. the v4r's are homologated to have a 998cc motor for world superbike
That's the V4R. The V4S is 1103cc I believe
@@BigJohn_S117 that’s why i specifically said the v4r. it’s the fastest out of all the v4’s anyways
@@jeffreylawler Yeah the V4R is a really sick bike. I wish other manufacturers built engines that revved as high as those
@@BigJohn_S117 not many companies make a v4 engine. mostly i4’s. only reason ducatis rev so high
Ducati has that torqe coming off corners -
Also for performance the Duc but price wise ZX10
Anything above 3hr ride id chose a busa, although kawis are the more comfortable out of all the liter bikes imo
Im going to do the same thing when i get my zx6r or zx10r, if i live that long
I own a duke and tested the x10, the zed is very uncomfy in comparison
So I've paused the vid at 2:15, this would be a tough decision for me. Kawasaki and Ducati are my 2 favorite brands.
I'd have to choose the ducati though, simply because for me there's something exotic about them, like a 2 wheeled ferrari of sorts. Paying the price of that ducati might hurt a bit. But I know I wouldn't get buyer's guilt at least.
I hope the ducati wins the dyno battle, but I know modern zx10s do very well on a dyno so I kinda know that the zx10 will get it especially since it's tuned.
The best zx10r wanna blow up when you give power 💚
Always 💚
Id love to get the pops and bangs but id like to to be a little less intense than that lil less fire 😂
Man that ducati engine is impressive
meh... its also 1100cc"s dont forget. Ducati needs to cheat a little to surpass the 1000cc bikes. Sexy bike though!
@MuskyThe that's so weird. I looked it up before I wrote my comment and it said 998cc. Apparently the Google generic answer was not correct. I thought ducati always had larger motors...
My standard zx14r with no mods from 2014 has more HP and torq than the Ducati, wow
Please anyone let me know why the HP is so lesser than the company claim because in India we have zx10r with 213hp and 115nm of tork and Ducati v4s have 220+hp so in dyno why it is showing less does this go like this? In dyno also if we map zx10r it produces 217+hp also more than that kindly explain this please
In the real world that duc would kill that ZX10 with that power curve. Not to mention I think the Duc is lighter too. Even racing Most don’t take it all the way to the very redline because it’s too easy to over rev and bounce off the limiter so most end up shifting like 500-750 rpm’s before redline anyway. If it was my meager amount of money though I’d still go with the amazing budget ZX10 all day long. I could never dream of affording a Ducati.
Kawasaki ❤❤️🔥🔥
Buying a ducati is something i dont think I'll ever do again
I have 2 and I want to buy two more :D
@@viktorskarlatov8227 Ditto!
I have one wish I didn't 😂 junk
@@just_in_time88 what was wrong with it??
I did buy it used 350 miles on it but cylinder jug was a bad casting it leaked coolant through the aluminum and computer was bad wouldnt change ride modes was covered by factor warranty but took 6-7 months to fix brand isn't for me
That Duc needs a Bren tune!! But it still made more power where you need it!! 2hp on top is nothing!! Where and how you get power, (Torque) is more important! The Duc is more refined, has better power and suspension management systems! All of which can be controlled easily on the display, which is more like a control panel!! This what got me to spend $$$ on the Duc!! I have a 22V4s and a 15ZX6r so can’t say I’m too bias!! I could write a whole novel here, but bottom line: ride whatever makes you happy!!😂
Ducati is not a '20 model, it doesn't have dry clutch and it doesn't cost 40k
I'm going for the Ducati. I know it's very expensive but that's just my guess... But it wouldn't hurt to see Kawasaki win the underdog...
cost benefit analysis.....ZX-10R
I get second hand embarrassment from pop and bang tunes.
I Would Still Go with the Ninja over a Duck all Day
imagine a supercharger on that duce,,,ooohhh what a torq monster it would be.
🤘😈🤘🔥🔥🔥
Thats insane 8000 you can have that
The Duc is a special bike in many ways