What should you do if you're caught by a speed camera? [Criminal Law]
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- čas přidán 5. 06. 2024
- What happens if you are caught speeding? And what do you do if you never get the letter notifying you of prosecution, and the first you know of it is when your insurance goes up because you've now got points on your licence?
0:00 - Intro
0:27 - What happens after you’re caught speeding?
1:34 - Failing to provide information about the driver
3:11 - Fixed penalties
4:06 - Help! I never got the letter about speeding
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It's amazing how the police would have time for this, where money is involved, but not actual crimes
These camera's are a financial trap for authority, they are disgraceful, hidden away in trees and bushes, I was flashed in a 30 mile zone for doing 31 😡, which I wasn't aware as I was more concentrating on the road and pedestrians being careful, and not on the speedo. The amount of money we are CONNED out of for these is criminal.
Did you get a fine and points?
@@S55M3 Did a speed awareness course.
@Lancashirelad How would you know, do you design them????
@Lancashirelad I used to work at a motor auctions so have also driven most of those myself, apart from a HGV, I gotto a 7 and half ton when I moved homes myself, but my husband was a heavy goods driver, so I will still disagree and they are all a ruddy con!!
Also there are no tachographs anymore they got rid of them.
If the first time you realise you have been caught speeding is by your insurance going up and some points, that would also mean that you never received a NIP, and summons.
Ask for proof of camera accuracy, certification of officer taking speed details if by an unmarked car, also certification of speedometer. If a handheld unit same as car only handheld unit not speedo. If a roadside camera then ask for certification of it working that time and day, ask for certification of officer conducting test, also certification of equipment used to enable test of camera with certification of officer involved with testing.
It has saved me on three occasions when they replied with on this occasion we feel it is in the public interest not to pursue this matter. I didn't ask why.
Hello , Please could you help me with some advice, So I was pulled over by two police officers they showed me a Speedo saying I done 76 in a 50 zone , I knew they was lying because I never done 76, I was doing around 58. How can I protesters this ,thanks again .
But now they send the certification of the camera as standard.
i got caught by a speed camera and sent back the form when it came though. surrey promptly lost it and sent me a letter telling me to fill it in again. i said no and they said they would see me in court. that was ten years ago and i and still awaiting my summons.
@Richard Fox no still drive at the speed appropriate to the conditions not the posted speed.
so i'm the guy doing 15 past a school as the kids kick out and 3 mph in the supermarket carpark. or bombing down the A3 at 80. because why not is good weather and 3am. or running down a country road with a 60 speed limit. at 30 because its to dangerous to go faster and the only reason the road is posted 60. is because some twat in the planning department couldn't be bothered to think and wanted to knock off and go down the pub.
the road i got flashed on was the hogs back outside guilford. a wide, straight and open duel carriageway with no off's or on's on that part of the road. it was a bright sunny day with no wind and i was at most going 10 mph over the speed limit.
speed cameras are just a lazy way to look like you are doing something and make a shed load of money at the same time. what we should have is lots of oldbill in unmarked cars and teens band from driving cars that can go faster that 40mph. we could also do with banning drink drivers for life and make everyone take a driving test every year.
@Richard Fox your being very presumptuous in your judgment of me. you assume i would drive at 30mph in a built up area and then go on to vilify me for that. thats just silly wooly thinking and directly contradicted by my own statement to you. but it is allowing you to take the morale high ground. so making yourself feel good. why do that are you just trolling? if so you are not very good at it son.
if you are, as you assert, a member of an organisation attempting to get the 30mph zones changed. what organisation is it please. also what is your connection with it? or is it just a lie to make you feel good?
also why, again, if you genuinely are involved in a campaign to reduce speeds posted incorrectly by planers. do you go on in your second paragraph to holed planers up as a standard to be judged against? {quote :- "The problem with people like yourself who think you are a better judge of what speed is appropriate than planners"}. this seem a very inconsistent line of thought to me. or is it just that you are looking to take the high ground on the point by siding with "authority".
if you had gone though my response to you carefully. you would have noted that i gave ample examples of my reasoning and m.o. when driving. this you have clearly have omitted in your consideration of your response to me. why? did my reasonable approach to driving not fit your narrow narrative? did you need to omit it so you could admonish me and so by pump your low self esteem a bit more?
@@tommyfred6180 for me it's a lot about using common sense. There are some areas around London that are now 20mph zones that used to be 30, and 20mph is just too slow. Frankly some of them could be 40 zones.
I agree with what you are saying and I honestly think people are just a sucker for rules. If a sign says 20 they will not go more than 20 under any circumstance, even if the road is wide and clear. Obviously you should slow down if you see speed camerad and police cars, but for me that's only to avoid the inconvenience of getting done for speeding, not out of respect for the rules
Dont be complacent , in Australia they got a computer to sort out unpaid driving offences people got speeding fines from ten years ago , cant believe it's legal dont know end of story
Before anyone waste their time here No he doesn’t tell you how to resolve it he just tells you the basics of what happens
You’d already know the useless information he’s giving
Agree
What a muppet he is
If the first time you know of a conviction for speeding is when your insurance is increased, how do you know which court is involved to make an appeal?
Firstly you don't go to a magistrates court for a trial where speeding is concerned, it's a hearing. Secondly you have the "right" to remain silent, it's the first thing a copper tells you when cautioning you. Thirdly you are innocent until "proven" guilty, so if you exercise your right to remain silent and the police have no proof of who was driving at the time of the incident, how can they find you guilty? I have used the right to remain silent defence in this situation and the case never went to court and I never received any points nor fines. On the subject of fines, I would like to point out that the Bill of Rights 1689 states under Grants and Forfeitures " All promises of fines and forfeitures by particular persons before conviction are illegal and void" Therefore if you haven't been found guilty of a crime (convicted) then the fine is illegal and void. That is why none of the fines issued for covid are valid. People only pay them out of ignorance of their rights and the fear of the consequences of non payment.
100% correct. I wish more people exercised their rights (before they are taken away forever) and stopped listening to lawyers and barristers who are sworn to the Bar.
This argument has run out of courts to go to - so don't waste your time on that track. Right of Silence is only for proper criminal and even that has been watered down in recent years. If you do try it on make sure you fill and send the form in as Daniel says you commit an offence by not returning the form - send it recorded. These camera scams are run by civilians not real traffic cops they are bloodsuckers and will twist what you say and what you do and do not send in.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the owner of the car responsible for letting anyone else drive his car? Therefore the owner gets fined regardless
@@aisjdoaidf1490 No. Everyone is responsible for their own actions. Lending someone your car is not a crime in the same way lending someone your kitchen knives is not a crime. Both can result in criminal activity but those crimes are the responsibility of the one committing them, not the one who owns them.
@@IanMcFerran interesting analogy. Makes sense
All great advice, but if you're not sure you committed the offence ASK FOR THE PICTURE. The last NIP I received was for a completely different vehicle. The Police's excuse was someone probably "GUESSED" the license plate incorrectly..?
Great to see videos on the UK law! As unfair as it might be, we need to talk about it.
Thanks for your time
And this channel
The biggest question is how these were allowed when no one in the UK consented to these, Britain is governed by consent so where's all our signatures consenting to these cameras??
Thiers a Great Chance Nobody Agreed To This, But Politicians Capitalize on the silent Majority.
Thank you Daniel..
1:00 "Make sure that you respond to these letters as soon as possible..." Well, because there are various time limits in play, you maximise your chance of running the clock out if you respond to these letters as LATE as legally possible...
... and, points expire three years from the time the offense was committed - so if you take it to court that court date might be 8 months later, and you get your points back 8 months "earlier" than if you were faster in replying.
No, points expire 3 years from when they go on your license!
My advice is to carefully check the Notice of Intended prosecution and Section 172 notice. My paperwork alleged I was driving a car I’ve never owned in place I could not have been. At the time of the offence I was in the air between Amsterdam and home. You’ll not be surprised that there was no box to tick to say that I had never owned this vehicle.
My wife went on the course, she was told she was the slowest speeder they had ever had, she accelerated to 35 mph then pulled into a bus stop to let an ambulance go past. they all thought it the course was a harsh punishment.
She would have probably got away with that in court.
Yes, sounds like she had a defence of necessity.
They were just being nice. 35 is the standard speed at which the cameras will be set at a 30 speed limit. So it's very common to end up on a speed awareness course for doing this speed
@@_Mentat Actually I think you will find it is the blue light vehicle that has the exception to traffic laws not other vehicles around them. Trying to use that excuse for the speeding here would likely have the same results as when people have tried to contest red light tickets where they have moved slightly over the stop line to use the buffer space before hitting the junction proper to make a gap for the emergency vehicle to proceed through and that went poorly.
I know a man who moved through a red light to let a ambulance pass he got a summons and got banned since that I wont let a blue lighter vercle bully me on the road I do same speed and dont panic there is no protection for normal vercles they dont see it as helping out it's just another fine to hand out to us stupid tax payers I'm sorry that your wife was helpfull and nice now shes been punished she will think twice sadly like others who have been fined
It's the statutory declaration thing that I have difficulty in filling out.. I found 6 points on my license one day and called the courts and accused them of fraudulent activity as I did not receive any correspondence but was fined £800 and given 6 points. I don't see why I should be the one running around and doing admin
What should you do if you're caught by a speed camera? It's not rocket science, swear.
Your video is really useful thanks
❤thx for the tips handsome x
Great video , thank you
Very good. Thank you.
You say that there is no point making a stat dec to plead guilty due to increased costs, however surely in most cases it would be worthwhile for the credit for guilty plea, opportunity to mitigate, and in some cases an accurate indication of means to calculate a fine, which is based upon national average in absence.
Hi,just have a quastion. Can I get fine and points from CARNELL highway maintenance safety camera van? If yes what will be the charge and how many points for doing 52 in a 40 limit
There's a nasty hidden camera behind bushes at the end of a dual carriageway on a steep hill in Wiltshire. You have to speed a little to overtake slow lorries and to complete the manoeuvre. It is placed there on purpose to generate money. Fine, have cameras in towns, etc, not in the middle of the countryside.
Cut it down 🤣
if the lorries are going slowly why do you need to speed?
@@SNORKYMEDIA Because it's a dual carriageway going up the hill with no central reservation. You have to speed up to do the move and the camera is at the end to catch everyone. They knew exactly what they were doing placing the camera there.
The ONLY act in English law where you are required to admit guilt.
You are required to name yourself as the driver. You may still plead not guilty. However, even being required to provide the prosecution with evidence violates natural justice. They should get their own evidence.
@@_Mentat so guilty until proven innocent.
Good video thanks
What if you were slightly over the white line on traffic light and reverse as there was no one behind and was safe to do so. Will that still give a ticket ?
I never received my first letter, when the second letter came through with a court summons over the speeding offence, I went to court and explained I never received the first letter, they accepted that and that was the end of it. No speeding offence, points or fine.
Daniel is it correct if you do the speed awareness course it will save on your insurance and does not go down (the first time) as a speeding offence.
You don’t have to inform insurance for speed awareness they tell you in the course
Only if you live in England; we don’t offer SACs here in Scotland
I got 6letters for speeding 39mph which is the highest in 30mph, I have spent close to 2yrs In uk and I used my International license working on my uk license, pls what advice can u give and what do u think will happen to me
Someone i no got cost speeding 4 times by the same cam, and he feels he was not speeding. Cam the speed cam not be working as it shod ?
I got one from the state of Maryland back in 2017, never paid it. Why? It was sent with the wrong first name. Second, there’s no points assessed for such a “Civil Infraction” in the state of SC. It’s wasn’t issued by a bonafide law enforcement agency of the state of MD. It’s like getting g a parking ticket in Atlantic City, NJ or Philadelphia, PA; the civil infraction only goes against the license plate, which in SC has no tie to my actual DL number. Oh, sure I got a total of three letters from the state of Maryland, but ignored all three. Since then, I no longer have that vehicle or license plate. I’ve reregistered my new plate several times without a problem.
I did a speed awareness course a couple of years back for doing 57 in a 50, The guys running the course said the cameras were set higher than say 10/15 years ago as common sense appears to be applied much more.. I had no issue with the awareness course for being 7 over.
Am I correct in understanding there was a cost for this course ? Just trying to get a rough idea of how much that'd cost
@@rahulnair8116 yes from memory it cost me £90
Oh, okay.
Thank you
@@dlamiss how long does it take
@@nweikee I Was done on a Tuesday morning. got the notification on the Friday and was allowed to choose a date to do the course. It was three and a half hours when i did it 830/12
If they offer a speed awareness course does it affect your British citizenship application?
If I pass a red light or cross a solid line into the bike lane, purely to allow emergency services through, am I still liable for prosecution?
what if you're on slow speed and cross the red light mistakenly? the camera catch you?
Thank you!
Moira
From England.
Form a limited company and register and insure cars your family or business staff use - companies can't get points just fines. Show due diligence when assisting the police with their investigations into who was driving or if the car was not using false plates etc.
I believe the Secretary of the Company can end up taking responsibility. If this is the situation have a company secretary that does not drive and is elderly and has no future interest in taking up driving.
Never help the police with anything, they paid to investigate crimes so let them get on with it
POV: You came here to find out how to avoid paying ur speeding ticket
Me: comments are more interesting
Question: we were sent 2 speeding fines for the same location, same car, 2 different times , 1 fine was for 8am the other was 5pm. Speed limit was 40mph. Morning fine was caught at 52mph (my partners fine) evening was 55mph (my fine) my partner received a speed awareness course but I was not given the chance for a speed awareness course just 3 points and a fine. I find this unfair and unjust. I have taken it to court. What is your opinion of my chances of me receiving the same punishment
You were possibly over the threshold for the speed awareness course, or have you done one in the last 3 years? Anyway (a) nobody has the right to be offered a course and (b) the court don't offer the course you will get the fine and points plus court costs so you'll end up paying more.
What was the outcome of this?
drive to the fucking speed limit..it's not hard
drive to the fucking speed limit..it's not hard
Any update
If I already have 6 points and have been caught speeding at 59mph in a 50 zone by average speed cameras. Would I get offered speed awareness course considering I’ve not done this at all, and seemed to only speed within 2% + 9mph threshold?
You might get driving course if it’s been 3 years since your last offence if not 3 points and a fine
I always found Section 172 to be curious.
The cornerstone of the British Justice system is the right to remain silent, yet here we have a demand to provide information as to the identity of the driver.
But....as the Justice system allows me to remain silent, surely no offence is committed if I do not respond.
Thoughts?
You have the right to remain silent yes, but when you get a legal document through the post asking for information then you can still pick up a pen and fill it out while holding your silence.
@@cavemanfury3155 that's somewhat pedantic. The point stands imo.
@@jacko717 so regardless of the crime if we all stay silent then it didn't happen? I think the problem isn't the justice system it's people not accepting responsibility for their actions. Evidence does not lie and you would have to speak at some point, now I'm not too sure about what happens if you choose to stay silent but it's not advisable. They have a picture/video of your vehicle soooo either way an offence was committed, what that form is for is to find out if it was you or someone else.
@@cavemanfury3155 I'm not sure what you're struggling with here. The cornerstone of the British Justice system is "you have the right to remain silent." The burden of proof lies with the accuser, not the accused. Or if you prefer- your innocence is automatically established, your guilt must be proved. Section 172 states- "Where the driver of a vehicle is alleged to be guilty of an offence to which this section applies-
a) the person keeping the vehicle shall give such information as to the identity of the driver."
Also- "a person who fails to comply with a requirement under subsection (2) above shall be guilty of an offence." But as we both know, you have the right to remain silent. You do not have to say anything. Your guilt has to be proved. Clear enough? It's not about taking responsibility for your actions (which I fully advocate.) The issue you have is with the legislation, not other peoples virtue, or perceived lack of.
@@jacko717 that shut him up 🤔🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Welcome to the UK with its FINE culture the police are only interested in crimes that generate fines for the treasury and the motorist is the most targeted hence why camera's are everywhere
Why there are cameras everywhere. Correct grammar.
Andrew Hubbard you are correct and the other Andrew is the camera designer who is mad you dont like his life wrecker machine
Stick to the speed limit .
@@andrewcarter504 awight guvenor
Correct, absolutely correct, and under, here , the banner of road safety
In scotland they dont give speed awarness course they just slap you with points
Hi sir
I been working with user over five years over false accusation uber terminated me giving wrong reason I am fully confident I have been deactivated wrongfully
I need your advice please
What if the letter is made out to a company name?
I was doing 26mph in a 30mph and the truvelo camera flashed me. I’m confused. I’m 100% sure the limit was 30 because I went back to watch the video on my dash cam
I was 8 miles over the speed limit which was 50mph on the motorway fined £100.00 do a course £85.00 . A total rip off con . They should at first just caution you don't do it again and let you off but no . You can not remove human error . They just want your money . They don't care.
Look at it like I do. Simply the government now owes you £185.00 - find a way to get your money back. How they justified taking the money is irrelevant. How you get it back is irrelevant.
Hi please could you answer a question for me? The local road safety camera vans in my area are operated by Civilians. Are they allowed to park illegally in order to operate the camera device?
They have recognised parking exemptions issued by the local authorities so they’re not parked illegally but even if they didn’t have exemptions the location of where the vehicle is parked is not a defence to speeding.
Just got caught doing 121mph on the motorway any tips? Obviously have a very good chance of loosing my license at court but I have rent to pay etc and my job is a delivery driver so I don’t know if they’ll pardon the offence or not any help will be appreciated
How did it go?
Did u ever get court?
I spend all my driving time looking out for potholes
Nearly got run off the road today, and then flashed when I went for the gap between the kerb and another motorist. I would've been caught in a collision if I hit the brakes, and the engine was up to rpm to get me out of the closing gap. I accelerated and got flashed immediately when passing the gap. I then gestured a sincere wtf was that at the driver who then decided to tailgate me (on a motorbike) a long way up the road. My bike isn't registered to my current address and life is in shambles with family in and out of hospital. I need this case to be dropped otherwise I'll be forced into a worse situation. I hope I don't receive any points..
well county and magistrates courts are mainly administrative centres and according to Halsbury's Law of England under administrative courts it clearly states that these courts are unlawfully due to the constraints placed upon her majesty the queen, so is Halsbury's wrong then?
What if you were travelling,for which you don`t need a licence?If a case went to court,would the Magistrates be able to evidence their oath of office,or would they abandon the court allowing you to dismiss the case against yourself?
@@malcomburt3025 magistrates are not courts, they are administrative processes, so none of them are standing under any judicial oath at that time
My car is registered to a different address from my driving license. If I just ignore all letters will they ever figure out which license to endorse?
@Richard Fox You can have cars registered at lots of different addresses so marrying them up with your license is always going to be difficult. To the best of my knowledge you don't have to nominate a "main" address - but if you do then I hereby nominate the address on my license. ;)
What this gentleman has said just common sense you do need to be a barrister, a tea lady could have give the same advice
I thought he was gonna tell us about some loopholes my granddaughter could have told me all this
I was caught in February on two occasions but did not get the notification until 30th March
Ive ignored 4 or 5 speeding letters and after the 2nd letter never heard anything ever again
You will be convicted in your absence in due course. This may never affect you though.
@@_Mentat nope these were years ago until you try it you'll never know
What happens if you are convicted in your absence in the court? If you apply for job it will apear no criminal record.
What happens if my number plate is cloned and the picture of the driver is of poor quality, how can I prove I wasn’t the driver?
Prove you were somewhere else. You could also prove that your car couldn't have been the one in the picture if you prove that it was somewhere else at the time the cloned car was caught. -Not a lawyer
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My work colleague tried using his own CCTV footage from his home & car, but it was thrown out because he had master authority that allowed him to change dates and times on the system. He works nights so his car is home normally. The fine was not a problem it’s the points. It’s never happened since
You could get 3 points or 6 points and could loose your license...
Wow here's a fella that knows a lot about nothing apart from the obvious.
I was doing 41 in a 20, it was at 11pm. I have my license for less than 2 years. Still waiting for my FPN/Summons. Will my license be revoked 100% or do i have any chance?
Hey what happened?
@@EvolveWithLotanna License revoked, £660 fine. Cunts
i have a concern with regard to a speeding offence am i able to get some simple advice please?
@@NoBody-gf8ie i was caught doing 38 in a 30 on the 2 Dec 2021 being a summary offence i believe...iv just received a letter dated 22 August 2022 over 8 months after the original offence stating i have to pay £100 fine...do i have to legally pay this fine due to a summary offence only having a 6-month prosecution duration limit?
@@NoBody-gf8ie surely they're not going to say yes im right so am i correct in the 6 month time limit they have to prosecute for a summary?
How do we know that the speed measurement was accurate? How do I know if my speedometer was functioning properly? I find this whole speed trap thing pretty bogus. Drivers should never be summoned for speed; they should instead be prosecuted for possible reckless driving, which can be easily determined from a video recording.
@Richard Fox I do that all the time. I am just not sure if my speedometer is always up to the task. And I am not sure if the police always use a properly functioning speed gun. So I guess you are the one who should stop whining.
@Richard Fox Fact is if one sticks to the speed limit on the speedo, real life will be lower and thus fine/points avoided. However, what of the ridiculous nature of the speed limits themselves?..to not question or challenge and just follow like good little sheep is exactly why the lawmaker WE put in to place, use our hard earned tax money to pay themselves to pass laws which in turn use more of our hard earned tax money to prosecture us lol..oh the irony…daylight robbery. So Mr Fox, its refreshing to see that you pay for the lunches and travel expenses and obvious living expenses of the people that have instilled such fear in you! Happy living mate
@Richard Fox That is fairly typical for a modern digital one as their variance tends to be around +/- 1-1.5 mph depending on the model so they typically calibrate them to read half that interval high. This way your true speed is likely to be somewhere between 0 and 3 mph lower than what is displayed even if you happen to get a particularly low reading unit it should never show lower than true in theory. Naturally this is to protect the driver from the fact that relying a false low reading can get you into trouble but a false high reading wont as nobody is going to get prosecuted for doing 27 in a 30 for example.
Agreed. Australia is the same. It’s the governments that enforce this and the police just carry it out.
Speeds on many roads have been reduced here, most roads now post 10 kmhr less than several years ago.
Of course they say it’s for your safety but we all know it’s revenue raising.
What if your flashed on motorway doing over 105mph but that's not accurate. How long does it take for letter to come?
anything up to 14 days.
@@lukeey2011 it's been 7 days happened last Wednesday. It was my dad. Hopefully don't come. Scared to bricks.
@@zZZSPARKZZz I would have thought that the money extortionist would have delivered you a ticket ASAP. IE with in a week. Me I would start to relax a bit.
@@lukeey2011 hopefully 🙏
What happened to you bro ?
The prosecution is expected to prove your guilt. Static photos do not prove anything related to speed (unless 2 or 4 wheels are off the tarmac of course). Further, the accused has a right to view the up-to-date service records and celebration records of the cameras used. In my experience, when this request for evidence is made, the matter quietly 'goes away'. Hmmm 🤔
The formula for speed is speed = distance ÷ time so as long as the secondary markings are on the road your speed can be worked out from a picture.
@@NoBody-gf8ie I would agree, however, the cases I've dealt with only had one image - therr were no second 'timed' images showing the car in a different location. When the Police were asked for the 'service records' of the camera they used and its most recent 'calibration records', they went silent and no further action occurred. Very suspicious.
@@IanMcFerran all Gatsos take 2 pictures by default and both are sent out with the nip, you'd only get 1 picture from a mobile camera vans and a video on request.
@@NoBody-gf8ie Maybe that's why the cases went cold... perhaps their equipment was faulty.
@@IanMcFerran possible, I know all camera van ultralite 2000 cameras are tested twice a day and then sent away for an official service with certificate of calibration once a year. Would love to know why the cases went cold though as this would usually not deter most forces and evidence would be provided by the camera technician in court.
Thank you 🙏
@ 1min 45....Whatever happened to the right to silence, and/or not incriminate oneself?
Odd law, guilty of an offence for remaining silent.🧐
@@normalwisdom4048 No, it's not an 'old law'. It is still the first thing the Police say when you're arrested... "You do not have to say anything...". It is impossible to make someone speak if they don't want to. Further, it is for the prosecution to prove your guilt - a static photo does not prove speeding.
@@IanMcFerran look again Ian.🧐
@@normalwisdom4048 look at what? Do you mean the typo? Fair enough but my comment about the right to silence still stands. 👍
This argument has run out of courts to go to - so don't waste your time on that track. Right of Silence is only for proper criminal and even that has been watered down in recent years.
I am an HGV driver and was accused of driving at 58 in a 50 although my vehicle has a limiter which only allows a top speed of 55!!! I had to swallow it and send off my license and fine as I couldn’t afford the court costs, I have now lost my license and I have to pay 20 quid for a replacement license, it’s all a complete con to get more money.
THEY have lost my license and cheque 😡
What you should do is pay the fine accept the points and slow down
Bet you’re great fun at parties bud 😂👍🏼
@@VFactory-vl5fi there is a difference between having fun and breaking the law
Oh i do love a prison guard in society. Doing your masters dirty work for them. Nice....
@@lucatkinson they have enough money in taxes without giving them more and last year someone with iPods obviously set to silent walked out in front of me had I been speeding I would have hit them they were in the wrong.
@@iainmillington904 Speeding wasn't the problem then, it was the clown oblivious to their surroundings.
Do they have a photo of you ?
Pay the bill and stop speeding.
You really don't answer the questions we need to know...
1. If you reply unable to confirm who was driving what happens? Do you get the fine by default or is nobody fined? If the latter then it's open to abuse which you should explain...
2. Your final point about extra costs is ironic because if the points were added without you knowing, what happened to the original costs when you were presumably convicted in absentia?!
What happens if you just write "I am a living soul and not a corporation" on the NIP?
Nothing will happen, You will get a letter back takes about 3 weeks and that will be the end of it.
@@thevillan2733 they do not like people who know the system is illegal. If you get to court and argue common law confidently and competently, I hear they do not like it because they know that the system is rocky in terms of legality and you take control. I'm not speaking from experience here, just what I've found out by researching this stuff. I believe this goes for any offense that doesn't exist in common law.
@@ceasarsalad119 My Tickets don't even get to court, I had one last week and I just sent it back.
@@thevillan2733 do you practice the common law stuff? I'm just learning about it. I find it fascinating.
@@thevillan2733 I need some advice. Not for speeding tickets but for running red lights and doing it due to fear of being physically attacked from the driver behind… would this be good enough reason to appeal or do they just want me to say yes I did it and still punish me regardless of my reason?
Had a fault with my car one day last year lost all power and the speed camera picked up car handed the name of the driver over and the evidence that the car was faulty which they did say wasn't the driver fault but he still had to take a drivers awareness course even though they had the evidence from everyone I think it's stupid that they still treated the driver like it was his fault even though it wasn't they are just after to punish u even though there are times it wasn't there fault
Bill of rights act 1688 - That all Grants and Promises of Fines and Forfeitures of particular persons before Conviction are illegall and void. This is constitutional and should be apealed immediately, you need not pay a fine
They suddenly changed all the residential streets from 30mph to 20mph… apparently according to a website I’ve just found, we were supposed to get a letter, and there should have been posters and banners. I have seen nothing…. They must have caught so many innocent drivers. I was doing 27 in what I thought was a 30, but they changed it to 20…
ITS SILLY I CAN RUN FASTER THAN 20 MPH ITS SO SLOW DRIVERS WILL DO MORE RISKY OVERTAKES AND ITS HARDLY GOOD FOR THE SO CALLED HOAX CLIMATE CHANGE THEY CLAIM AS PEOPLE WILL IDLE IN 2ND GEAR IN ANGER STUCK BEHIND 20MPH DOUCHEBAG CREATING MORE CO2 , THE LAW MAKERS OF THIS COUNTRY HAVE GONE NUTS , THEY LIKELY WOULD PUT SPEEDOMETER ON HUMANS IF THEY COULD CANT RUN FASTER THAN 5MPH , OR OXYGEN TAX PAY PER BREATHE
I got done maneuvering my bike at traffic lights, doing 34 in a 30. Didn't know there was camera there. Did speed awareness course. Total waste of time. Would be OK for thickos. Cost me £70. I was amazed how ignorant many are of signs and basic road survival. Everyone should have a year on a motorbike.
Got caught speeding on a road that was 30 down to 20 twice in 5mins now they want me to do a course and 3 points
Have to go shoplifting to pay for mine lol.
Hand held radar, must have a conformity certificate. Showing it has been clibrated. If the officer does not know this then its all over!
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There is no requirement for the calibration certificate to be shown at the road side.
Excellent. So what about if you are targeted by non-Police persons supposedly acting for the local Council and using speeds guns? I was slowing to the speed limit recently and was hit by persons in yellow high vis jackets (civilians) using a speed gun. I later received a letter advising me of the capture and that details would be kept for the next 12 months. Any further violation would result in possible prosecution! I thought only authorised Police Officers or in the case of Airside areas of an Airport, Airfield Operations Officers could target you for speeding ?
Those letters mean nothing. Pure hearsay! Was the correct type of equipment used? Are those guns calibrated? Where is the certificate to prove so? Etc etc
To answer your question based on 100% fact police officers do indeed use speed guns but all police forces across the country employ police staff (civilians) to man and operate the speed camera's and present evidence in court if needed. While on duty these camera technicians are classed as policing support officers so trying to obstruct then in their duties is now an offence and publishable by receiving a fine.
The community speed watch idiots can’t enforce anything. They wrote to me, so I wrote back and told the chief constable that the old boys hand was shaking around with what looked like the onset of Parkinson’s, and that unless they can prove the speed wasn’t affected by movement, they can get stuffed. Heard nothing afterwards
how is it that you guys have to do the Job of Police, by telling them who did drive that vehicle that day ? guess innocent until proven guilty does not apply for you folks over there !
Does not apply, only where the authorities claim it applies, like democracy, we have the term but in reality have no democracy, only autocracy
where's the contract ?
This guy should be telling how to mitigate the fine or get around not paying it: IE: asking when was the speed camera last calibrated, using what method . What if you said you were not going that speed?? What if you go to court???Instead what he is telling you is just common sense.
When you receive a NIP it will normally have 2 or 3 options on it 1 take a speed awareness course (if eligible) 2 take 3 points and a fine or 3 go to court if you choose court you will be sent a copy of the calibration certificate, however you can ask for it at any point before you decide to what option to take, 99 times out of a 100 it will be calibrated.
And yet
Gotta give it to them they’ve got a solid business 😂
Who has?
If you are caught speeding, just man up and pay the fine. Also stop driving like a complete knob.
It's cheaper to have a set of fzlsies
I just been done for 57 in a 50 this was due to preventing an accident which would have closed the A1 off. And backed up traffic for miles when I put in a defence it was dismissed which I am disgusted at.
As you said offered 100 plus 3 points an awareness course with no cost or duration and Not a single venue within 150 mile of me. Looks like I have to take the points or take unpaid holiday to attend plus the petrol and parking fees no doubt
Get a solicitor immediately. It sounds like something CCTV and a specialist’s statement can help with. If you’re unable to pay for one, there are plenty conditional fee arrangement solicitors willing to take cases like yours (no win no fee).
@@ae6905 sadly i have booked the awareness course it's a pain I might try to withdraw I might still loose the 100 pounds had to pay
If it's a fixed one....burn baby burn
Be a grown up and accept responsibility for a mistake? I know that’s a hard concept in this world where something has to someone else’s fault rather than your own.
Every action you make has repercussions for either yourself or someone else. So I agree with your statement in that we all need to take responsibility for our own actions.
So we need as parent’s and along with the education system to teach responsibility.
I love blaming others
Said the 'holier than thou patron saint...
What about the faulty camera 🤔🤔🤔
...not forgetting that the Police can also make mistakes. (My last NIP was cancelled because the picture was clearly of a different vehicle.)
Ever seen a police car speeding on their way for fish and chips with all blue lights blazing
In the new "built back better" work.. the fine will come directly out of your social credits,, and you will have to jump through hoops to get it back ..
In the new 'Build Back Batter' system, you won't have a car!
@@carlf3051 you'll be allowed rent one,, if you can afford it
What a waste of my 5 mins of life. How on earth is this dude helping with speeding fines. What if you were the driver but deny driving at the given location and at the given speed, then it's the responsibility of the prosecutor to prove that you were
Nice way to get a perjury charge and then end up in jail just like that MP did
got caught speeding(by camera) in the uk luckely im in the eu and there is no way the uk can get the money from me now lol
No they’ll just get you when you land back into the country on your rubber dinghy
Blame the local car wash. I do everytine. Always works
Someone reversed up to my number plate and their dirty exhaust obliterated one letter , i did not notice it for a couple of years , saved me a fortune .
Maybe reduce speed laws on motorway save petrol also
Ie 50 mph ie 48 mph for example
Ie save petrol
Ie less intense
Less accidents
Less pollution
Preserve cars maybe a little longer
I got out of doing 52 in a 40 by my work giving an incorrect address for myself and it taking more than 6 months for the police to send a Notice of intended prosecution to my correct address
I was fined for driving at 28 mph in a 30 limit , no way to prove it unfortunately at the time. They stated that I was driving at 35 mph. Bunch of crooks.
They have to prove you was doing that speed … you don’t have to prove your innocence go to court, what your saying is they had no evidence so they would of thrown it out that’s without any lawyers/solicitors 🤷🏼♂️, with a lawyer/solicitor you can get away with most things theirs people driving about with more than 50 points on their licence it’s all about the money