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The MOST CONTROVERSIAL AP Poll in Florida State HISTORY | 1988 Florida State
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- čas přidán 31. 07. 2022
- In 1988, Florida State was 6-1 after seven games, and was looking like one of the best teams in all of college football. After defeating East Carolina, they somehow dropped in the rankings from number five to number seven. And the reason why? A voter, quite simply, forgot to include the Seminoles on his ballot. Let's just say this mistake and this oversight did not go over well
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Sadly, I'm old enough to remember these great FSU teams from the late 80's and early 90's. Still, much love to the man that owns his mistakes. Makes me think of the baseball Hall of Fame voters who wont allow their ballots to be seen and the idiocy behind their motives.
Yeah, no, for, all of his, "skill," there's a reason, Bobby Bowden, won, as, many, Championships, as, Dennis Erickson, he, was, obscenely overrated, and, a, miserable, unrepentant, cheater, no question.
Yeah they were really good I almost became a FSU fan but my grandfather put a end to that real quick .that's how I became a Michigan fan
@@danmason6116 Not, nearly, against, Miami.
I also remember those "great" FSU teams. They were some pretty good squads. Never thought to much of Bowden though. He recruited a guy at my school and I was less than impressed.
@@christopherengel7436 Yeah, I, was, never, really a fan, and, his dismissive statements of, how, his players, were, "adults," and, also, how, "he couldn't control them all of the time, so, he wouldn't control them any of the time," were, when I, finally, washed my hands of him.
As a Packers fan, it's so nice to hear "Hall of Famer" and "LeRoy Butler" in the same sentence.
This unofficial Jaguar Gator 8 historian will remind everyone you made a video about how Texas A&M lost ground to, ironically, Florida State after a 27-point win in 1992.
That was partly because of Lee Corso and partly the reality nobody thought A/M could beat FSU, which they couldn't have.
Yeah, that big nothingburger of losing like 4 points in a poll after a win. Not a single spot, mind you. Less than a handful of POINTS. That was by far the most pointless video JG8 has ever made. They still stayed at the same ranking. FSU went down 2 REAL spots and, as explained in the video, was in danger of missing a big bowl because of conference tie-ins.
This didn't end up mattering much, either, but that was something worth being angry about rather than just how much you're ahead of #5.
I had totally forgotten about the old layout of the Superdome field, where the New Orleans Saints had their logo in one end zone, and Tulane had their logo in the other. No way something like that would happen in 2022!
It helps when you can rollout two completely different fields, to be fair.
I have never heard about this incident. I've been an FSU fan since '94 but I guess since I was 4 in '88 I think it can be forgiven. One thing that I have learned is to never piss them off. And as always GO NOLES!
what are they gonna do about it? have another losing season?🤣🤣anyways GO CANES
It was a joy beating y'all in 1998. GOOD OLD ROCKY TOP! ROCKY TOP TENNESSEE!
Your videos on this channel are so great. Love this video--You do an amazing job laying out the context. This channel is going to soar...and quickly
The level of researching is inspiring. Only matched by the quality script. More FSU stories please.
I love Florida State! So I am loving this video!
Bet you are not loving Florida state as of late because now they suck.
Jag - your videos are good. A suggestion - the 2001 BCS debacle would make a great video. 9/11 caused cancellation of the Washington St vs Colorado game. If that game is played, Nebraska doesn’t go at all.
Keep up the good work.
It happened again in 2006:
A voter for The Associated Press college football poll was removed from the poll board Wednesday because he mistakenly thought Oklahoma had lost to Texas Tech and voted the
Sooners lower in this week's rankings.
Jim Kleinpeter of The Times-Picayune of New Orleans said he tried to find the score of the Oklahoma game but was unable to do so.
Thats the major issue with AP and Coaches poll. They aren't actually watching the games yet they are voting on the teams.
@@Nightfighter82 It's virtually impossible to watch every FBS game in a given weekend. This is why computer/formula polls should be used instead of human ones. Human polls will see a name and give it a higher or lower ranking just because of the name. Check out the different treatment of previous-year champions 2013 Alabama, 2014 FSU, and 2015 Ohio State: Alabama did not drop one bit until they actually lost, despite having close games against weaker opponents. FSU and Ohio State both dropped despite never losing a game.
The only rea$on human poll$ are still u$ed i$ obviou$: keep big name team$ raking in the dough. I mean the CFP committee is the epitome of this blatant human bias and self-serving interests.
@@encycl07pedia- There's still a ton of bias that goes into making a computer formula, as well as it's impossible to take context into account with them
@@bonzjoe The bias is applied evenly, though. Everyone, no matter what their name is, is playing by the same rules. What context are you talking about?
@@encycl07pedia- The bias comes in how the people that make it decide to weight the data and what factors it considers to decide the best team
JagGator Dude - great video. You always do a good job, bro.
1:55
I saw the shade there. 😂😜
Jeb bush moment
I am an Alabama fan and 1987 and 1988 were not good years for us. I remember Florida State literally provided me with my only bright spot of the 1987 season. And that was a 34-6 absolute beatdown of the Auburn Tigers. It was Auburn's only loss of the season and it most likely kept the national championship game from being Auburn vs. Miami. Of course, Miami would have beaten Auburn, but still, seeing them get knocked out of the title picture was sweet. Then, in 1988, I once again counted on the Noles to salvage what was otherwise a dreary season. Florida State looked like they were well on their way to destroying Auburn again. Well, in the 1st half, anyway. Bowden's play calling went conservative in the second half, and it almost cost them. Thank goodness that the man now known as Coach Prime saved the night at the end of that one. Although it was only 13-7 and not 34-6 like the previous season, an Auburn loss was STILL oh so wonderful to see. Because they did not lose often back then.
Bobby Bowden only has two, Championships, for, a reason, at least, Alabama saved America from Miami in 1992, totally great, and, really.
That moment when you realize this was before FSU joined the ACC
The most controversial coaches poll was 2011. Nick Saban voted Stanford 3rd in front of Oklahoma State
That wasn't controversial, it was a defensible choice even if one disagreed with it. Air Force Coach Troy Calhoun putting OK State at five, however....
Honestly, I'm sure this happens pretty often, but the mistake is caught and corrected before the poll is released.
This is great channel wow
5:19 Look at a young Coach Prime in action.
That FSU/Clemson game was a great game, definitely one of the best that season. Clemson kind of fell off for awhile after this year/team. Have a feeling they'll be back to title contention this 2022/23 season .
Thank God Football Season is almost here.
Good thing Florida, beat, FSU in, The, Rivalry Game, them, Going Bowling, would have been an absolute travesty, blood simple.
Florida State is the best school in Florida!!!
the last time ever that a major vote in fla got recounted. lmao. nice one.
im 40 and a life long Floridian. most wont get that reference.
I think anyone in their late 20s or older will get it. The Recount was a huge part of American history. I did have a desire (as I was a child in 2000) to understand what the butterfly ballot thing was about until this year, and I have no clue how you make a ballot that bad, especially in FL where confused seniors love to retire.
Al Gore should have been president.
For all the talk about how we’re all human and we all make mistakes, I dunno, maybe it’s just me, but I think it’s incredibly ironic that the man who made the mistake in question in the video’s last name was Christ.
Bobby Bowden's, "mistakes," ruined far, better, coaches, programs, and, people, the fact that he only, won, two, Championships, seems, to be the, trade-off, here.
@@matthewdaley746 Off your meds again?
@@encycl07pedia- No, simply, pointing out what a despicable man he, was, and, that the only, Karma, came in the form of, him, only, winning, two, National Championships, and, that's about it, hear, hear.
It was the AP awarding a 1 loss Alabama the National Championship in 1978 over a one loss USC team who beat them
No, it was actually the AP denying Alabama a 3-peat after an undefeated 1966 season.
Bear Bryant, won, six, Championships, the last, two, were, probably, an apology, for, giving Dan Devine, one, with, a team that, was, far, worse, than, his.
@@Maestrohbill Six, Championships, zero, tears.
@@matthewdaley746 Notre Dame was pretty good in 77. The were probably given the National Title for beating previously undefeated and untied team before the bowls and Bama was the only undefeated and untied team at the end of the 1979 season
@@someperson3883 Those, are, great, points, but, feeling, sorry, for, a, coach, that, won, six, Championships, is, impossible.
And this was the last time Florida had any impact on national voting
what the fuck is it with Florida and recounts
1988 was the year I was born and also the last time my Rutgers Scarlet Knights beat Penn State who like Florida State is a powerhouse that won 2 national titles in the 80's.
Thank goodness Florida State was still able to go to the Sugar Bowl after all that. Florida State still got the huge payday it deserved.
Unfortunately, Bobby Bowden would, never, get the huge punishment that he, so, richly deserved, College Football, and, FSU, were/are, so, deep in denial, even, The, Egyptian Delta Force, can't get them out.
@@matthewdaley746 bro what?
@@dyltack5349 Perpetual, cheater, forever, unpunished.
@@matthewdaley746 ? sounds like he personally hurt you
@@dyltack5349 He beat UF way too many times for Matty's liking. The senile old fool can't accept that Bobby Bowden is a legend.
Oh now I know what happened to tcu in 2014
I have to disagree with your moral of the story. I would say it's, don't worry about what some sports writer does or thinks, just go out and get the job done. That is exactly what the FSU football team did. Never give up and do what you need to do!
The Moral Of The FSU Story, was, that they, usually, didn't get the job done, and, their two, Championships, were, more, "The, Law Of Averages," than, anything else, but, since, Bobby Bowden, was, an, impossible, man to, like, that's just fine, with, me, period.
@@matthewdaley746 Says the fan of a team that has never in over a century of football posted a perfect record.
@@encycl07pedia- Who cares, the, worst, bad people, are, the ones that, are, the, hardest, to spot, btw, I hold no allegiances, it leads to emotional problems, and, familial ruination, no chance.
Was the AP poll so important before the BCS?
Even more important
@@JaguarGator8 Huh, TIL. Because I remember during the BcS era, it was the Coaches' Poll that mattered.
O yeah it accounted for a third of the points at the end of the year
The AP poll has always been considered more prestigious on account of beginning in 1936 whereas the coaches poll didn’t begin until 1952.
@@GMUACW No, you’re thinking of post-2004 BCS polls where the AP withdrew. The AP was “the” poll until the early 50s and even then it was generally more highly regarded.
Well SOME SAY that Florida State is WELL BELOW a 39.6, and should NOT EVEN SHOW UP for their games. THOSE that say that are 100% CORRECT in MY BOOK.
Miami was an incredible team that year (their only loss was the Catholics vs. Convicts game at Notre Dame, where they committed 7 turnovers and still it came down to a missed 2 point conversion with 45 seconds left.) And they say you improve the most between your first and second game (remember, no preseason in college.) If FSU had played Miami at any point other than their first game, they still might well have lost but I doubt it would have been by 31-0.
They should have, lost, to Michigan, for, all of his dominance, Jimmy Johnson found the craziest ways to, lose, choke against Maryland, The, Hail-Flutie, this, and, his, last, Game, crushing Penn State everywhere, except, on the scoreboard, Dennis Erickson had no skills, but, plenty of luck.
Miami was really mad about FSU being the preseason #1 team after Miami won the title in 1987. Then there was the infamous Seminole Rap which didn't help matters. FSU was unprepared and Miami was angry which led to a 31-0 beatdown.
@@encycl07pedia- At least, they didn't require the aid of a woeful kicker, as, so, often, appears to be the case, regarding them, who knew, they actually could dominate FSU, just fascinating.
Notre Dame eventually won the national championship in 1988.
@@GameShowMikeA joyously-perfect circumstance, unquestionably.
If I had a ballot I would write down all the teams that I felt HAD to be ranked and rank them 1-x
Not sure how it could have significantly hurt FSU since the poll was corrected the next week. As the narrator correctly points out, it would have only been a singificant issue if it happened at the end of the regular season or after the bowl games.
It did hurt them. The next week, they were only No. 6 even though they had beaten Louisiana Tech 66-3. It took them two weeks to get back to No. 5.
But they ended up ranked where the belonged, right after Notre Dame and Miami in the final poll.
I was 5 years old at the 88 Clemson FSU game (the infamous Puntrooski). I remember it rained all day, thinking I was going to fall off the steep upper deck, and not understanding why everyone was so quiet leaving the stadium because we (Clemson) never lost at home.
If they finished 3rd then it did effect the bowl unless the 2 teams above them had a btr record cause if they hada been 5th like they shoulda been maybe they end 2nd an play 4 a naty
1:58 haha clever joke
Al Gore would, lose, his home state of Tennessee, he didn't deserve to, win, blood simple.
@@matthewdaley746 george bush didn’t win connecticut, his home state
@@conorcane1211 Electoral, Count, is, lower.
@@matthewdaley746 Trump didn’t win his home state of New York, the idea that not winning ur home state means u deserve to lose makes no sense
@@conorcane1211 Politics doesn't make sense, Hillary Clinton thought she didn't have to campaign in three states, lost, them by a total of, less, than, one million votes, tallied three million, more, votes, yet, would, ultimately, lose, the election, there's your, "logic."
This logo reminds me of something 🤔
Actually, the idea that "you're not going to drop Miami below Florida State" *is* relevant. Notre Dame only moved from #4 up to #2 after knocking off Miami; UCLA, who had been #5 preseason and was still undefeated, moved up from #2 to #1. Now, Nebraska started the season at #2, but was down to #7 after a loss to, you guessed it, UCLA earlier in the season, the Huskers' only loss. Furthermore, the week of this game, the Huskers knocked off #10 Oklahoma State, their second Top 10 win of the season (with the caveat that the first was in Week 1 against a preseason #10 that started 0-3...but with the countercaveat that all three of those losses were to ranked teams, including OK State themselves). At 6-1 with their lone loss coming to the #1 team, it would be all too logical (even though this didn't happen) for Nebraska to jump over 4-1 Miami...even though they entered the week *two* spots behind a team that Miami had beaten.
Interestingly enough, this logic would come into play two weeks later when UCLA lost to an unranked Wazzu. The Bruins fell to #6 and Nebraska fell from #5 to #7, despite winning that week while the #6 team had a bye week...that being Florida State.
You make a lot of terrific points, the real question is, just, how, much do we remember Notre Dame's, win, today, if Miami, loses, against, Michigan, (like, they should have).
These days this sort of thing would be done on purpose out of sheer spite.
Perhaps, but, Bobby Bowden completely deserved it, absolutely no question, just none, that simple, it is.
Another poll peccadillo which was real and not an accident happened in the coaches' poll after the 1995 season. Nebraska trashed Florida 62-24 in the Fiesta Bowl to win a second straight title, but 12-1 Florida, which was clearly still the No. 2 team, dropped to third in the final poll because two coaches ranked the Gators 11th and 13th on their ballots, which HAD to be intentional. This caused them to drop behind 11-1 Tennessee in the final poll, even though Florida had beaten them 62-37 during the regular season.
To my knowledge, no one has ever revealed which coaches did this. Phil Fulmer said it wasn't him, and I tend to believe him because he wouldn't have wanted Spurrier to crap on him in a later poll. I suspect one of the two coaches was UGA's Ray Goff, who was on the panel and had an ax to grind and nothing to lose, but who knows who the other one was? Maybe Mack Brown, who was still angry at Spurrier for something he'd done years before at Duke, but he had the same reason as Fulmer not to do something like this.
1996 provided necessary vindication.
34 Years Ago
They made up for it in ‘93.
The clip at 7:23 is 2 Legit 2 Quit.
Fsu good old days where rivals matter
Speaking of double checking. Is it really pronounced Ron Christ (like the Lord and savior) or is pronounced Krist (not like Geezus' last name)
Our lord and savoir Ron christ.😆
Wait, Florida State used to be good?!
They're only the, third-best, team in Florida, Bobby Bowden, turned, doing, less, with, more, into, an, art form, and, the only bigger cheater, was, Barry Switzer, the, former, was, never, punished, because, of his, "Aw, Shucks," attitude, and, the, latter, was, only punished, because, his offenses became far too brazen to ignore.
Yes Sherlock
@@damienkirksey7026 Just fizzling out, miserable.
Not only good they used to dominate everyone.they where the bama of there time
@@matthewdaley746 Yeah, that’s why…..checks notes….Miami got clobbered with a crippling probation in 1995 and while Florida had 107 allegations (over half proven and resulting in a two-year probation) and a follow on probation in 1990. Bowden cheated SO badly, his was the only one of those 3 schools not to have a deposition room set up for the NCAA.
bowden did less with more just like another coach named paterno. and amato, rivers, and nc state owned bowden, 4-0.
Yeah, plus, he cheated, worse, than, any coach, other, than, Barry Switzer, and, they frequently, lost, to, objectively, worse, Miami teams, because, they couldn't score more, than, twenty points, and/or, their kickers repeatedly missed what amounted to an Extra Point.
@@matthewdaley746yep. always blamed those u losses on 'wide right' when a few td's would have won the game.
@@stevenbauer4799 You don't know the half of it, those teams repeatedly destroyed teams by thirty points, yet, somehow, against, Miami, they scored between, 7-20, points, their, equally-potent, rivals played miserably through three quarters, yet, FSU always made, one, or, two, little, mistakes, resulting, in, defeat, that happened, in, 2001, and, 2002, for, that, and, many, other reasons, Miami, losing, to OSU, was, the only fair outcome, period.
@@matthewdaley746 'repeatedly destroyed lesser teams'. teams that couldn't compare to the u. the u was cocky and could win most games based on their talent advantage even without playing their best game, which fsu found out the wide right way.
@@stevenbauer4799 Miami wouldn't repeat, interesting.
I don’t like Florida State
Bobby Bowden's disastrously, unlikeable.
So what
@@damienkirksey7026 His, bad-fortune, is, Karmic.
I don't like the whole state of florida, they are an eyesore to the whole country.
@@dustinsindledecker154 No nation is perfect.