Carnage - Supermang Tests The Intercooler On The Dyno
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- We test our cheap barrel cooler on the dyno at Maxx Performance. Will it work?
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Thank you Scotty for the great content you have produced over the year and can’t wait for more in 2022 , wishing you and your family all the best in the New Year mate .
I'm living memories through you Scottie. You are where we started back in like 2006. I'm loving it. Keep it up mate.
10:15 you got me 🤣 .
“It’s not making any horrible noises… well, other than the fact that it’s a V6 Commodore”.
Good to see her making some power.
What a year it has been, and you guys have managed to keep us entertained with plenty of carnage content. Thanks heaps guys and see you in 2022!
JD's sitting on intercooler ice- your a man after my own heart Scotty
Thanks for all the entertainment this year Scotty and the team you guys definitely made life better bring on 2022 😎
Well done Scotty and SM team, another great year of content 🤙
Im not a commy fan but... supermang is one sweet beast
Scotty, you've kept plugging away with your chin up the entire year and set a bloody good example for all us. Thanks mate for continuing to bounce back, wishing you all the best in 2022.
Scotty remember boost is a product of restriction and you've had the manifolds opened up and flowed so 14psi is a lot of boost with that free flowing setup.
Thanks for all the great content this year 👍👍
If you run it again before you pull all the cooler pipes off: start it up, put a ping-pong ball (or something) in the silicone dent, then mash the throttle to see how far you can launch it 🤣
Saw that once in thailand........
Thanks for the entertaining content throughout the year Scotty 🙂 It has been a rather shitty year for us here in VIC but the rest of the world too. Everyone remember to make use of the free mental health phone services available if you have been struggling during this year 👍
As for Supermang, maybe a custom water to air cooler tucked up close to the inlet manifolds inlet port to try and package things nicely and reduce boost tubing lengths. Once all done she'll be a lively barge on the road and return good times down the track.
Thanks Scotty it has been a pretty crappy year but your videos have helped to get us through it, thanks to yourself and your team.... Thanks, Happy 22 mate...👍
Seeing scotty give the thumbs up and say "mint" made my day. Thanks scorty for all your uploads and fun and I look forward to 2022
This just reminds me of a heap of the boys rooting around in the back shed.. awesome content fellas
Thank you Scotty - you and everyone else involved with these shows have helped ease the pain of 2020 2021. Have a safe and nice day all. CHEERS from AUSTRALIA.
Thanks for a year of your fun and humorous takes on everything you do Scott
Your doing so many car projects that keep us connected and not thinking of the other things
Carnage brought great entertainment and escape from the news etc.. You guys are great. Thanks for what you provided throughout the year.
Thanks Scotty for a great year, you have made it a little brighter for so many people that watch your channel.
Of all the end of year youtube video's this is my favourite. Thanks for just having fun with cars, the way it should be.
2021 was made somewhat palatable with the entertaining Valiant ute build, among others. Thanks to the team there!
Thank you Scotty for all the work your put into all your episodes and keeping us all entertained through out this shitty year. Best wishes enjoy the break and will catch up again in 2022. Cheers !
Awesome work this year Scotty. Supermang and the big block barina is great wholesome content 👌 👏
Great experiment Scotty. These M90's are heat pumps but I've never seen one intercooled. I wasn't sure how much extra power adding an intercooler would make.
Back in the day a mate had an M90 on his 1UZ Soarer (otherwise all stock) vs my 1UZ Soarer with full bolt-ons, such as long tube headers, exhaust, piggy backed ECU with MAF-less tune. The Naturally aspirated car went just as hard.
Keep the experiments coming. Have a great break and thanks for all of the entertainment this year. Really appreciate it - you guys are doing a great job with the channel.
Ohh this feels like a Richard Holdner video, we are getting different types of intercooler tests, bloody fantastic. Changing the cam won't help a great deal as you are up against the threshold of the blower. You have just found out what many others have found... Spinning the blower faster doesn't equate to much more power. As you are increasing speed trying to deliver more air, you are proportionally decreasing the blower efficiency (and adding back heat). The back flow at the blower is limiting the boost. The only way to get more boost is to reduce restriction, or put on a bigger blower, a bigger cam would help some, as would going to two barrel coolers, but ultimately the physical limitations of the blower sealing is going to prevent you getting much more boost out of it.
Just a little food for thought... You are providing the barrel with colder water than it is humanly possible to in the car during normal driving conditions, and while that is great for making peak numbers on a dyno, it isn't going to be sustainable on the street. Being this is not a turbo car where you can easily adjust the boost levels, you are going to need to provide it with a cooling source that can sustain the boost level you want. I know you like the idea of the barrel cooler, but a regular air to air might be more practical to be able to safely tune it.
Spot on, I found this out the hard way. it reached a point where going faster didn't improve power, it did the opposite.
@@wetsox278 this is fairly typical of this type of blower. They really aren't designed for high boost applications. About 10 PSI seems to be about their sweet spot, leaning on them just creates more heat and eventually leads to losing power as you discovered. I have seen some people experiment with putting nylon strips on the rotors like B&M did with their blower (basically a 6-71 clone) but then you have physical contact between the rotors leading to all the parts including the seals wearing. Big boost is best left to turbos and centrifugal blowers.
Thanks for making our year much better Scotty. Definitely earned that JD.
Thanks Scotty and the gang, enjoyed the videos all year.
Cheers for the content this year Scotty.. You’re a bloody champion! Can’t wait for 2022 😎
MAXX performance is very nice to you guys. good to see. I get the impression that they're a good crew.
They're the best
Personally, Scotty all that silicon and lots of sucking in and out sounds like a pretty good time.......memories of Thailand trips with the footy lads..... Awesome as always, best wishes for 2022.
Hope you and the whole carnage team have had a very nice cristmas and will have a happy new year.
Can't wait for future episodes. I want to see supermang doing the right numbers as expected.
And the Trollvo...
And Dad's Ute...
Thanks for your time and effort throughout the year with all the bs lockdowns and other shit for battling through to bring us some great content and keeping the fans entertained with your positive attitude and great sense of humor Scotty you are gold mate
Thanx for all the entertainment this year Scotty and street machine. It’s been awesome, can’t wait for to see what’s to come next year.
Thanks for all the entertainment Scotty, enjoy a well deserved break mate 🤙🤙🤙
thanks for the great content scotty gives us viewers something to look forward to weekly
Awesome. Don't forget the 2 bags of cement in the boot for sure
Wonder if a Bov would sort that vacume out at idle. Also Can appreciate that it's always a case of 50/50 in regards to blowing something up,and always 100% send with Scotty,legend.
Awesome test session! Thanks Scotty and the street machine crew, have a good one
Thanks for the year of awesomeness.
Loved all the videos. Thanks Scott. Thanks Maxx for being legends also
Thanks Scotty have a great New Years keen to see what the future holds
Good on ya mate,merry Christmas and happy new year, always happy to watch
luv it if there's ice in something it's an eski just add grog truly Aussie great job boys looking forward to next year
Intercooler as a rule are a restriction, the cold air coming out of it is denser air so the combined that’s why your are reading lower boost numbers. But colder dense air will make more power at lower boost numbers. Boost psi is generally just a measurement of restriction
scotty have loved your work for years and love the videos ever since the pf days i hope u have some better luck soon man but please keep going as u are you are my favorite Aussie you-tuber
I appreciate that, thanks mate
Can't wait to see this setup at the drags
Its a great bunch at Maxx Performance willing to test almost anything it appears.
Looking at those intercooler pipes belt slip is the least of your worries Scotty :) your a legend mate. Have a good holiday season.
Great job Scotty and thanks for the ride in 2021. I look forward to more Carnage in 2022.
I hope Santa brings you a new set of KT26’s…
Great video 🙂👍
I have been into the L67 3.8SC for a long time,
but I have never seen a set up like that here in the states.
I really like the piece under the supercharger, that allows one to add an external intercooler.
All the ones I have seen here are the ones that go below the supercharger, with the heat exchanger in the front of the vehicle
They're a fun motor to play with. We'll get serious about this one soon. thanks for watching
Watch out doc with the delorean here comes Scotty with the supermang. 🤣👍
Damn awesome to watch the builds. I worked out that for street use and to get 12's you need a 3.56 diff. And probably fabricate a better intake system.... LOL
Well...... Now you know.
Which is what Dyno time is about, Finding limits and testing setups which on the bright side didnt break anything.
Hope you are watching this at home Scotty, with a cuppa kicking back for a few days.
Maxx performance though, those blokes get a massive shout out!
The OG Carnage partners in... well Carnage from Day One!
Roll on 2022
Loved ever eppy, keep them coming..look forward to the wagon hemi project.. happy new year.
Thanks Scotty, fun video. All the best for the break and 2022.
great work mate . HSV carnage DEVISION lives on . true blue ford dude here = loving it .
Those joiners really chubb up when you stab the throttle 😂
Great work Scotty, hope you had a great Christmas and get to enjoy a safe New Year. Enjoy the holidays
Great idea with the double jack's. Can't wait for more content next year keep up the great work!
Interresting experiment make more of that. Happy New year Scotty and have a good car year in 2022.
Love your work Scotty, all the best for the silly season and 2022 to you and the Streetmachine family and your nearest and dearest! 🤘😎🤘
Thanks for the content this year, has been great to watch! Looking forward to seeing what you come up with in 22'
Great content all year. Thankyou. 👍
Hot tip. For testing, carry a can of matte black paint and spray a spot where you want to use the thermal gun. Emissivity set to approximately 0.96
Hope you and fam had a great Christmas Scotty. Thanks to you and rest of SM team for all the content over the year. Look forward to more "carnage" next year mate. Take care and stay safe 🤗
Great work Scotty, glad you did this stuff. I'd really love to see a much bigger charger on it next.... could you imagine the supermang possibilities 😍
Love that blower whine! To you and yours Scott and the crew have a great new year and bring on 2022!
Great work Scotty and team loved all your videos this year, looking forward to what you have planned for 2022.
That blower sounds awesome!
Looking forward to seeing this thing done and on the dyno again doing runs 💯🙂
You've done well great content Scotty, see you out the tracks one day soon 🍻🤙
happy new year scotty and the whole carnage team ,next year is gonna be awesome for everyone
Love your work mate , Keep up the good work Thanks for the Super 6 video. Can’t wait for some more carnage
Thank you Scotty… All the best for 2022 🍻
Lol... its not making any horrible noises, aside from being a V6!!! The blower whine does a great job of drowning out the mang mang 🤣
Yess, last episode of the year? The best wishes for next year guys!
The restriction is between the throttle body and the back of rotors in the blower. The factory elbow wont flow any more.
We'll address that
Merry Christmas and happy new year good work as always legends
Cheers lads. Great content all year.
Have a well deserved break, and I'll see you in 2022 👍
"It both sucks and blows" 😉
Higher the psi reading the worse your setup is, aka more restriction.
Means you have a good flowing setup, with extractors, heads and camshaft. 14psi sounds bang on for a 2.55" pulley to me. 2.55" is advertised as 19psi, so a 5psi well flowing setup sounds correct to me.
Nothing wrong there with your setup 👌
Scotty you haven't lost any boost at all and it has nothing to do with the extra piping you have in place. You have only lost PSIG (Pressure Shown In Gauge). The blower is a positive displacement blower, therefore it will produce x volume of air every revolution (in free air). Unless you have air leaks you have not lost any boost (you may have actually gained some). This confuses a lot of people, but it comes down to simple science.
If you were to build a metal container 1' x 1' x 1' you would have a container that holds 1 cubic foot of air, if you put a vacuum / pressure gauge in the top of that metal box it would read 0 PSI (it would be at 14.7 PSI, the earth's normal atmospheric pressure, but the gauge is calibrated to read 0). If you took that container and put it on the stove on low heat you would see the needle start to read positive pressure (boost), but the volume of the air inside the box remains unchanged at 1 cubic foot. Hot air expands and it looks for the path of least resistance to expand into, and that is the pushing on the gauge.
Conversely if you took that same container and placed it into an ice bucket like the one you have there it would read less than zero (vacuum) because the air is shrinking inside the box, trying to suck it in. You have created the second scenario, by cooling the air so much you are starting from a position where the cooled air is showing less PSI in the gauge for the same amount of air displaced by the blower.
Of course there are a couple of variable to be thrown into the mix. Nothing is ever that simple. While it is a positive displacement blower, that is not the whole story. We say it displaces x amount of air every revolution, but that is not strictly true. It is a misnomer... It only displaces x volume when in free air (nothing either side of the blower). Once we sit it on the engine it has resistance, the greater the resistance the less efficient the blower becomes, because the blower isn't perfectly sealed and air will start pushing back past the rotors, meaning the displacement per rotation is actually less than it is in free air.
By cooling the air after it leaves the blower you are shrinking that air causing the pressure inside the system to be be lower, which in tern means the rotors are seeing less back pressure, so in essence you could gain a very small amount of boost by less air being pushed back past the rotors (greater efficiency).
BUT and there is always a BUT... you have placed a restriction in the path of the air in the form of a barrel cooler. The cheap barrel coolers with typically have greater "pressure drop" a fancy word for resistance, forcing the air inside the system to gain pressure again and start working against you, countering the effects of the cooling. The mega expensive brands will typically have better flow and less resistance through the core, but you pay a premium for that better flow. You could put two cheap barrel coolers in parallel, get better performance, and still be way cheaper than one of the name brand.
Good one Scotty, that was a fun one, and interesting to see the different intercoolers. That’s for the lockdown distractions
Great episode, Happy New Year buddy!
Interesting project, I can’t wait to see the results 👍🏻
Absolutely love your show.. 200% efforts sir.
Would have loved to see a centrifugal supercharger on this.. would probably make more power 🥰
Centrifugal blowers traditionally make alot of power but never seem to run fast unless you set them up with big converters and gears
Good work Scotty.
Always entertaining.
All the best for the New Year to you and your family and the Street Machine Crew.
Cheers for the great videos through 2021 mate, really appreciate it. To you and the whole team, take care, see you in 2022 at Heathcote.
Trolvo is ready to go. We'll see you soon
I like the way he thinks... Chilled Jack Daniels may not make any more power, but they do ease the throat just nicely.
Thanks scotty looking forward to 2022
Ahh the smile on Zane’s face when the cans went in 😂
Happy new year 👍
Thanks mate, enjoyed the year👌😎
Thanks Scotty, have a great Christmas and New year. Love ya work!
Merry Christmas brother from your mates over here in NZ 🇳🇿🕊️🏞️☕🥃🍻🎸🤠
Great work scotty good to see the w2a vs a2a back to back with some data. Put a 460 walbro intank and send it
I'm glad you did that a2a to w2a boost pressure different test.. I've got a big w2a and was hoping it wouldn't be anymore restrictive than the a2a
It would probably be a different result at higher boost levels but what we're doing it was no difference
Hey Scotty, I've got Baz's 2.4 on mine, standard cam, no IC and E85, works out to 17 PSI.
Putting a mace intermediate w2a IC on it soon.
Thanks Scotty enjoy your holidays see you 2022 hopefully get to see you up in Qld for an event or 2
I hope so too!
Merry Christmas Scotty let’s hope 2022 is a less covid year
So much good carnage from you guy
I am so looking forward to more stuff from you next year
Cheers 🍻 and happy new year to you and all the staff 👍👍👍
If ya get a bit of black elec tape mate and stick a lil square on the metal intake pipes u will get a better reading from theheat gun.
Loved this one 👌👍
Great content all year. Have a happy new year and stay safe. Thanks Scotty 😁
Great video and I wanna wish you,family,and team a Merry Merry Christmas.
I have a feeling that it may be time to upgrade the supercharger...possibly even get a NA intake manifold and find a large centrifugal supercharger for it...or maybe even a turbo???