How PIRELLI took over Formula 1

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  • @TommoOnYoutube
    @TommoOnYoutube  Pƙed rokem +18

    Do you want to see the "Tyre Wars" return?
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    • @Tweej
      @Tweej Pƙed rokem

      Nah... Pirelli ain't perfect and I would hope they have to work hard to keep their contract. Would love to see more compounds but in the saving money era I fear us going back to 1 tyre, no changes...

    • @BluBoi70
      @BluBoi70 Pƙed rokem +1

      No, Tyre wars are stupid (from words of S1ap Sh0es)

    • @biggallcaps
      @biggallcaps Pƙed rokem +1

      If ya'll foreigners want to learn about some real *tires*, you should look up Hoosier. My home state Indiana tires took on the giant Goodyear in NASCAR and is currently the go-to dirt racing tire. Pretty interesting in my opinion.

    • @BluBoi70
      @BluBoi70 Pƙed rokem

      @@biggallcaps S1ap Sh0es has some good videos on the Goodyear Vs Hoosier/Firestone and then the Bridgestone Vs Michelin

    • @biggallcaps
      @biggallcaps Pƙed rokem

      @Blueranger yeah, S1apsh0es does great NASCAR and racing videos. So does Brock Beard and Jesse King. Check 'em out!

  • @alfasud10
    @alfasud10 Pƙed rokem +313

    Short answer:Indianapolis 2005

    • @tjenadonn6158
      @tjenadonn6158 Pƙed rokem +19

      Nearly killed F1 in the US, made Pirelli millions.

    • @IlllIlIlIIlll
      @IlllIlIlIIlll Pƙed rokem

      What a disaster

    • @BOABModels
      @BOABModels Pƙed rokem +8

      Is it though? It was the global financial crash which caused Bridgestone to drop out.

    • @pedroguedes278
      @pedroguedes278 Pƙed rokem

      Indianapolis killed michelin. Brigdestone quit because of financial crises only

    • @TheKenji2221
      @TheKenji2221 Pƙed rokem +5

      ​@@tjenadonn6158
      Honestly considering the direction F1 is taking with Miami and Las Vegas, it would have been the best thing happening to F1...

  • @jackbloyce8296
    @jackbloyce8296 Pƙed rokem +728

    Pirelli were brought in to create exciting races, 3 or 4 stop strategies were common when they were introduced in 2011 but now it’s always 1 or 2 stops and far too much tyre saving

    • @areebsiddiqui758
      @areebsiddiqui758 Pƙed rokem +132

      Nobody liked those tyres that self combusted in about 3 laps.

    • @gabrielbraz9294
      @gabrielbraz9294 Pƙed rokem +23

      That happened mainly because of refuelling, tyres weren't the limiting factor

    • @Yosef_Marks
      @Yosef_Marks Pƙed rokem +81

      ​​@@gabrielbraz9294 Refueling was banned in 2010, Pirelli has provided tyres only in the no-refueling era (in its current stint).

    • @namenamename390
      @namenamename390 Pƙed rokem +23

      The drivers complained a lot in the first few years of the Pirelli partnership, not to mention there were some dramatic tyre failures back then. When the new engines came in 2014 with all that hybrid torque, Pirelli made the tyres way more durable, so one stop races became the norm again.

    • @TommoOnYoutube
      @TommoOnYoutube  Pƙed rokem +78

      Fine line between a tyre that can be leaned on, but encouraging pit stops too

  • @LuminalSpoon
    @LuminalSpoon Pƙed rokem +395

    The reason why Penny Farthing wheels are so big was because, prior to vulcanised rubber tyres and proper suspension being commonplace, bikes were extremely uncomfortable to ride on, especially on cobbled or rutted lanes and roads. They would often be called "bone shakers" due to their stiff nature so the Penny Farthing was a response to this issue as the larger wheel had a greater shock absorption. Also it was more efficient to pedal a large wheel as Work = Force * Distance so if you increase the circumference of the wheel you can attain higher speeds. My degree in Mechanical Engineering was not useless after all. 😅

    • @David10.04
      @David10.04 Pƙed rokem +11

      I’ve learnt this in a level physics 👌

    • @TommoOnYoutube
      @TommoOnYoutube  Pƙed rokem +39

      Genius

    • @jkliao6486
      @jkliao6486 Pƙed rokem +9

      I thought it was only due to lack of gearing and chain system back then.

    • @SenneMeuleman
      @SenneMeuleman Pƙed rokem

      @@jkliao6486 it is i think, this person also forgot to mension that a bigger wheel, just like bigger gears requires harder pedalling

    • @BOABModels
      @BOABModels Pƙed rokem +1

      Great explanation.
      They were undoubtedly dangerous though. Going over the handlebars often resulted in broken limbs or even skulls! đŸ˜”

  • @98MTBiker
    @98MTBiker Pƙed rokem +279

    Tyre war would very likely drive us towards one stop races as any time spent in the pits needs to be gained back in lap time. In a race that only lasts 305 kilometres it's difficult to gain that back. The compounds we currently have are purposefully designed to degrade. I'm sure Pirelli is capable of producing a tyre with C5 performance and C1 durability.

    • @jerrywang7360
      @jerrywang7360 Pƙed rokem +9

      Yeah the main engineering challenge in pirellis tires is getting them to just not work when they need to

    • @TommoOnYoutube
      @TommoOnYoutube  Pƙed rokem +52

      For sure, they could do it. Interested to see what they come up with for the non tyre blanket era

    • @AlexanderDiviFilius
      @AlexanderDiviFilius Pƙed rokem +9

      The only way a tyre war would work is if they brought back refuelling. While I wouldn’t mind them doing so (it’s perfectly safe and effective in Indycar), there are many who dislike the idea.

    • @sepg5084
      @sepg5084 Pƙed rokem +2

      C5 performance with C1 durability? Lol at this armchair engineer 😂

    • @AlexanderDiviFilius
      @AlexanderDiviFilius Pƙed rokem +4

      @@sepg5084 Pirelli literally said something along those lines back in the early 2010s. They make tyres that degrade quickly to force the teams to employ more creative strategies.

  • @the-real-zpero
    @the-real-zpero Pƙed rokem +34

    Interesting fact: Alonso said in a blog post a long time ago that part of the reason why he struggled so much at the start of the 2007 season is because he had never driven on Bridgestone tires before and it took him a few races to learn about them.

    • @cesarxmbert
      @cesarxmbert Pƙed rokem

      same goes for Kimi, they literally had to learn how to drive again.

  • @Versatilty
    @Versatilty Pƙed rokem +210

    I love the idea of two tire suppliers to just give one more variable to the teams that might boost a midfield team one year or drop down a top tier team just to mix it up more.

    • @TommoOnYoutube
      @TommoOnYoutube  Pƙed rokem +39

      It could give, just as much as it could take away

    • @mildertduck
      @mildertduck Pƙed rokem +9

      Bring it back, but prevent tyre suppliers being "exclusive"

  • @michaelfierman3256
    @michaelfierman3256 Pƙed rokem +114

    Have you thought about doing an episode on the race engineers like GP , Hugh Bird, Bono and the mysterious and possibly incompetent guys at Ferrari etc?

    • @TommoOnYoutube
      @TommoOnYoutube  Pƙed rokem +24

      Already done one on GP, I'm sure I'll get around to Bono some time

    • @michaelfierman3256
      @michaelfierman3256 Pƙed rokem

      @@TommoOnCZcams just watched. I loved how you offered to profile Michael Masi at the end 😉

    • @LordWay
      @LordWay Pƙed rokem +1

      the incompetence at ferrari could keep you going for about a month of videos 🙃

  • @aaronmachado13
    @aaronmachado13 Pƙed rokem +27

    The youtuber S1apshoes did amazing videos on tire wars like the 1969 tire war at Talladega and the tire war of the 80’s as well at the f1 gp. Pretty much I agree with what he said “ competition can fix many things but during a tire war, it’s performance over safety which considering your only contact patch is your tire which can lead to some dangerous crashes as the driver pretty much has no control

  • @marshallc6215
    @marshallc6215 Pƙed rokem +15

    Imagine going absolutely nuts with the tire compounds. Go back to the 7 slicks and you get 1 set of each for the whole weekend, with team choice of a second set of a few different compounds.
    A whole new level of strategy involved, since if you wanna run the hypersofts in q3, you won't have actually used them before, adding a higher risk/reward dynamic.

  • @AudreyH48
    @AudreyH48 Pƙed rokem +9

    Fun fact, Pirelli have dominated F1 podiums from 2009 to 2024. Pretty remarkable. 😅

  • @sevegarza
    @sevegarza Pƙed rokem +62

    I like having a single tire manufacturer. It helps keep the field closer as they are all designing their cars for the same rubber.

    • @TommoOnYoutube
      @TommoOnYoutube  Pƙed rokem +7

      Can't argue with that

    • @tyleroptional2639
      @tyleroptional2639 Pƙed rokem +5

      Strongly disagree, more tire compounds mean more room for mistakes. You could have the best car but fail to choose the correct tire. It makes it more interesting. All F1 is are 3 teams battling for 6 positions

    • @sevegarza
      @sevegarza Pƙed rokem +8

      @@tyleroptional2639 Oh I’m talking about a single tire manufacturer, not a single tire compound. Like I like that all the tires are made by Pirelli. All the teams design their cars to run on the same set of Pirelli rubber compounds.

  • @stoss-11
    @stoss-11 Pƙed rokem +35

    Glad you made this video. Always wondered how/why certain tire manufactures have all of a sudden disappeared from the sport. Been waiting for someone to make this video

  • @tubadude07
    @tubadude07 Pƙed rokem +3

    The goodyear tyres and color will nostalgic for me. The medium Tyres these days remind me of that. Just the look of it

  • @rachelkoiks
    @rachelkoiks Pƙed rokem +13

    I got my puppy hours after Silverstone and he didn’t have a name for almost a month. I debated on naming him Pirelli, but went with Enzo Furrari 😅 He’s a chihuahua so I thought naming him after Carlos would go over everyone’s head so I went Italian and if people know, they know, when they hear Enzo

  • @attilaosztopanyi9468
    @attilaosztopanyi9468 Pƙed rokem

    Fun fact. The velocipade's front wheel was that big because there was no Gear metastasis on bicycles. So to allow it to be rideable you had to reach the pedals at the center of the wheel and high enough to the pedals not hiting the ground but function as a powerarm and make it easier to pedaling, and the wheel has to be tall for the Angular velocity be fully used and to be reasonably fast. Nowadays bicycles can shift gears and beacause the changing of the size of the pedaled gear the Angular velocity stays and with the biger size the faster the outer surfice going.

  • @timvandiggele3164
    @timvandiggele3164 Pƙed rokem +5

    Tommo, i really appreciate this kind of content. Interresting back story, nice vibe. I really like this

  • @Fr3ddyM3hrCurry
    @Fr3ddyM3hrCurry Pƙed rokem +4

    I think a tyre war would be beneficial for F1. Competition is the driving force behind innovation in Motorsports and competition between the Tyre manufacturers would therefore lead to better tyres in the long therm. Of course the exitement from pit stops would most certainly reduce because longevity is also a factor that would improve a lot. If your tyre is just as fast but can last 5 laps longer you will be the manuacturer of choice... That could also be a benefit tho. Imagine races where the drivers can push 100% every lap because the drive to outcompete the other tyre manufacturer has made the tyres practically immortal for the 305km race distance

    • @TommoOnYoutube
      @TommoOnYoutube  Pƙed rokem +1

      I guess the sport could mandate 2x pit stops minimum to mitigate that?

  • @peterlud87
    @peterlud87 Pƙed rokem +15

    Man I wish they made all 5 C1-C5 tires available each weekend, with the C4,C3,C2 being the Soft-Medium-Hard colors we already know, and bringing that amazing purple Ultrasoft back as the C5 and the Superhard orange as the C1

    • @QuackingEldrich_101
      @QuackingEldrich_101 Pƙed rokem +5

      great idea, but liberty media and dts will say its "too complicated" smh we cant have nice things anymore can we

    • @Fractured_Unity
      @Fractured_Unity Pƙed rokem +5

      @@QuackingEldrich_101 It’s hilarious that they think changing the names of each tire each race is less confusing for new fans

    • @betobeto1241
      @betobeto1241 Pƙed rokem +8

      @@Fractured_Unity it is less complicated. It makes no sense if you listen “Hamilton has just boxed for softs, what a mistake, it is such a hard tyre”. U don’t need to know the compounds now, you only need to know the basic stuff, which is that softer tyres are faster but less durable

  • @shadowmancy9183
    @shadowmancy9183 Pƙed rokem +5

    I say to have tire wars- Firestone might make a better set of some compounds and worse for others. Make all compounds open to teams for the weekend, but limit to 10 total sets of slicks. If someone wants to run C5 at Silverstone or C1 at Monaco, let them play with their own strategies in that manner. You could possibly remove the mandatory pit stops as well in that case- C1 is definitely slower than C3 or 4, so the time saved by not pitting might not be worth it for race results.

  • @Chris-st9mm
    @Chris-st9mm Pƙed rokem

    I love competition and differentiating factors between cars and the kind of innovation that could come from a tire war so yea I'm all for multiple tire manufacturers coming back

  • @robertdevald
    @robertdevald Pƙed rokem +34

    I think it's good for the sport to have standardized tires like they are now...

  • @ethannorton564
    @ethannorton564 Pƙed rokem +1

    The reason only the Bridgestone runners raced at Indy in '05 was that the deg on the Michelin was deemed too dangerous by the FIA. They were blowing out because of the banked turns.

  • @rayquetzalcoatl9672
    @rayquetzalcoatl9672 Pƙed rokem

    we always love to see a fresh tommo

  • @BrockMak
    @BrockMak Pƙed rokem

    11:36 Ah, I remember that for Motorsport Manager 3. I only use up to blue anyway. I only saw Super Hard in Middle-Eastern races. Hypersofts are great for qualifying in Monaco, though.

  • @Katiez2399
    @Katiez2399 Pƙed rokem

    there is a tyre shop/dealer near my place that ive been driving past ever since i was a kid. for as long as i can remember theyve always had a giant pirelli sign out front on the main road. i only found out that it was a tyre brand this year

  • @SharpeRacing
    @SharpeRacing Pƙed rokem +1

    As someone who has heard tons of stories about tire wars from F1 to NASCAR, I'll say that any tire war is not worth it. Nobody wins in those situations.

  • @nickderoos5415
    @nickderoos5415 Pƙed rokem +2

    I believe the biggest issue with the wet tyres from the teams perspective is not the spray, but the difficulty of getting any temperature in the tyre.

    • @TommoOnYoutube
      @TommoOnYoutube  Pƙed rokem +1

      Good point aye

    • @sealcuddl3r
      @sealcuddl3r Pƙed rokem

      +1, I've heard something similar; combine that with the relatively wide temperature and operating window the Inters have, and you kinda get why some team personnel and drivers call the extreme wets the 'safety car tires' since they're not good for much more than circulating behind the safety car. :c

  • @nicolaswutzmusic
    @nicolaswutzmusic Pƙed rokem

    Nice, I feel like I know everything about modern F1, but this I didn't know, so thank you tommo, for making a video about it

  • @misterdragzon
    @misterdragzon Pƙed rokem +3

    My first of clubs were Dunlop too. Used them for a year struggling until an instructor noticed them were all deformed from factory.

  • @jdbbeben3466
    @jdbbeben3466 Pƙed rokem

    I enjoyed ur explanation.

  • @legoferrari14
    @legoferrari14 Pƙed rokem

    Pirelli are also the tyre supplier for TA2 class in the North American Trans Am series; however, Australia's TA2 championship uses Hoosiers instead.

  • @BrockMak
    @BrockMak Pƙed rokem

    I knew of Pirelli from its tyre war with Michelin in WRC. It is also the sole supplier for all classes on WRC as well.

  • @sameergadre
    @sameergadre Pƙed rokem

    This guy's videos are very unnecessarily long, as always never fails to disappoint

  • @CodyOsteen5
    @CodyOsteen5 Pƙed rokem

    I like the idea of a tire battle like the manufacturer battle.

  • @Wilmerx206
    @Wilmerx206 Pƙed rokem

    Name an more iconic duo than Tommo and squarespase

  • @BLOODSHO7
    @BLOODSHO7 Pƙed rokem

    I'd like to see teams be able to have different compounds on the cars together for example allowing teams to have softs at the front and hards at the back. I think that could shake strategies up a lot from the usual 1/2 stop

    • @ingendukjennerv2198
      @ingendukjennerv2198 Pƙed rokem

      That would be interesting they do this already in motogp and they sort of do it in f1 already not different compound but different tires the rear tires are a tiny bit bigger to get better traction

    • @BLOODSHO7
      @BLOODSHO7 Pƙed rokem +1

      @@ingendukjennerv2198 Yeah I know moto gp do it just wish f1 would allow it to mix strategies up 1/2 stop races everytime is boring as now

  • @dimosk7389
    @dimosk7389 Pƙed rokem

    nope, no tyre wars any more, thank you!!!
    we've seen how it played out with bridgestone and Michelin. we've seen how both manufacturers were essentially designing their tyres to perfectly suit the top teams that were using them, leaving the rest of the teams with tyres that were not suited for them.

  • @rishids98
    @rishids98 Pƙed rokem

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the wake pulls upwards that should result in more pressure stresses therefore increasing drag. From my paper, on the cybertruck, the turbulent wake, if sent towards the ground, lowers the drag coefficient.

  • @crystalracing4794
    @crystalracing4794 Pƙed rokem +1

    If the tyre war returned, you would have to being back refuelling for the sake of strategy shake-ups. Not saying I want refuelling back, but with two tyre companies fighting each other, we'll have tyres with C5 performance and C1 durability, with drivers doing penultimate lap pit stops like Albon at Melbourne

  • @yahmfyeet184
    @yahmfyeet184 Pƙed rokem

    good vid bruther

  • @hamza-chaudhry
    @hamza-chaudhry Pƙed rokem +1

    Also to note that sometimes the tyres change mid-season, like in 2013 which Adrian Newey said really helped the Red Bull

    • @dairevickers
      @dairevickers Pƙed rokem

      Same thing happened mid way through last year with the rear tyres

  • @loyisokhumalo1803
    @loyisokhumalo1803 Pƙed rokem

    Interesting video idea

  • @danieleziaco7092
    @danieleziaco7092 Pƙed rokem +5

    I always love hearing Italian words pronounced in the "British way"😂

  • @ethannorton564
    @ethannorton564 Pƙed rokem

    The main issue with the wet tire isn't the visability, although that is an issue, it's the pace it gives. They are SIGNIFICANTLY slower than even the inters in the wrong conditions. The inter is just faster even with bad grip.

  • @dar3684
    @dar3684 Pƙed rokem +2

    So this didnt really explain how Pirelli ended up the sole tyre provider for F1, it just goes through the facts/dates from history of when & what changed.. Would be interesting to know WHY it all ended up like this. There's no way that other providers did not get enough returns while Pirelli did imho..

  • @benjager7
    @benjager7 Pƙed rokem

    I was literally thinking about this the other day because of all the tyre blanket ban drama

  • @nightmare_1337
    @nightmare_1337 Pƙed rokem +1

    I still remember the grey hard tyres and the orange super hards but I honestly couldn't recall a blue hard tyre even if my life depended on it and I've watched every race from 2012-2018 without missing a single one.
    Only explaination I can come up with for this is that as a Vettel fan I've just erased all memories of this season from my mind.

    • @maxverstappenfan4091
      @maxverstappenfan4091 Pƙed rokem

      if you played f1 2018 and raced at silverstone you were able use the tyre

  • @AbrahamArthemius
    @AbrahamArthemius Pƙed rokem

    A tyre war is actually doable if the cars itself is pretty similar to one another or you have some kind of BOP or weight penalty into it.
    You wanna see how a Tyre War done properly? You can always see how Super GT has done it for years even till this day and they have FOUR tyre manufacturers across its two classes (Bridgestone, Michelin, Dunlop, & Yokohama) instead of two like F1 in the early 00s. Those four brands even have their own strengths and weaknesses, Bridgestone & Michelin being the more rounded in terms of performance and Yokohama being the one who can always brings the fastest tyre for Qualifying for example.

  • @comicfan3133
    @comicfan3133 Pƙed rokem

    I think more Tire manufactures can make it more interesting, because the teams then can have different approaches to their strategy.

  • @howardwhite5131
    @howardwhite5131 Pƙed rokem +1

    Bringing back the tire wars would had an extra element to the racing. But, unless something happens soon F1 is going to be spec race with the FIA issuing the teams their cars and the only difference will be the drivers. I think they need to rip out half the rule book and let them race.

  • @atharvadate7345
    @atharvadate7345 Pƙed rokem

    Bring Back 2018 Colourful Tyres! Also yeah Tyre Wars are needed and not just 2 tyre manufacturers maybe do 3/4 manufacturers that way the sport would be much closer in performance

  • @Rsv4rr-r
    @Rsv4rr-r Pƙed rokem

    Yes the tire wars should return!

  • @nicholasbelardo4273
    @nicholasbelardo4273 Pƙed rokem

    I think, sporting wise, the best way to do a tyre war (and keep the status quo) is to maybe use the tyre selection system of the '90s:
    Tyre company brings 2 compounds to the circuit, and teams/drivers have the free practice sessions to decide which of the two compounds they'd like to use for Qualifying and the Race (and are then given 7 sets of those tyres).
    Downside to it, is its most probably much too wasteful, as it would mean sending a lot more tyres to and from the circuits.

  • @lewisburt3750
    @lewisburt3750 Pƙed rokem +2

    Video idea: Why Hamilton is so loved in Brazil

  • @LaveaFirmis
    @LaveaFirmis Pƙed rokem

    I quite liked the tyre wars because at certain tracks the Renaults and Mclarens were good then at others....well most the Ferrari where better. So it meant the best car was sometimes weakened at some tracks giving others a chance. Plus the way the Michelins were sometimes quicker but only once they had got through a weird graining period near the start of a stint.

  • @alsa4real
    @alsa4real Pƙed rokem +3

    I feel like having to conserve the tyres have kept midfield team drivers from being able to go all out.
    What if rock hard tyres from the 2000s were brought back with a mandatory pitstop(s)?

  • @MihneaStoian
    @MihneaStoian Pƙed rokem +1

    It was boring watching races in the 00s that were on 'michelin' or 'bridgestone' tracks, as you knew who was going to win. 1/2 the wins in those days were down to which tire manufacturer your car was using. Bridgestone was basically building their tires to Ferrari's specs, that's why the other top teams were on Michelins.

  • @chsinger96
    @chsinger96 Pƙed rokem

    I'm wondering if you select the soft tyres on an F1 2022 car in Assetto Corsa, do they resemble the C3, C4 or C5?

  • @bryan34wable
    @bryan34wable Pƙed rokem

    yes on the multi tire brands and I wish the full wets performance was better. Closer to the Inters like the inters are closer to the slicks. Seeing teams on inters when they should be on fulls but the fulls suck so bad makes it boring because they are all top-toeing around.

  • @SirGingerOfKnight
    @SirGingerOfKnight Pƙed rokem

    0:52 "Gears" -James May before he got interrupted talking about it.

  • @hello_alpine1693
    @hello_alpine1693 Pƙed rokem

    Relevant to say Hankook were also the party who went up against Pirelli in the most recent F1 bid too

  • @joelvallette1916
    @joelvallette1916 Pƙed rokem +1

    Hi Tommo, you’re not mentioning fuel supplier as a variable. They don’t get much visibility, and I must admit I’m quite ignorant on the subject myself. I’m just curious as to why there is no perception of a fuel war. Or is there and I’m just not aware ?

  • @awesomefacematt
    @awesomefacematt Pƙed rokem

    Tire wars are fun and obviously will increase competition but at the end of the day they’re always gonna be focused on one team each which means it will really only ever be a two team battle.

  • @borandiUK
    @borandiUK Pƙed rokem

    You lightly mentioned it, but should have expanded on the fact that Pirelli sponsor 6 or more races a year. That's a few million a pop, and you wonder how much of that is in their contract to supply

  • @cian69
    @cian69 Pƙed rokem +1

    Unfortunately it’s hard to recreate the same unpredictability without refuelling. Nobody else knew how much fuel a car was carrying. Everyone can see what colour tyres everyone has on. It’s rare that a car can deviate significantly in strategy from the cars around it.

  • @arposkraft3616
    @arposkraft3616 Pƙed rokem

    @0:50 wheel needed to be so big because no transmission , hadnt figured out the whole chain ratio thing

  • @siimtokke3461
    @siimtokke3461 Pƙed rokem

    What I wish is:
    1) Going back to all wheels being the same size. I know that this would hinder the acceleration out of corners, but that leads me to the next point
    2) Give teams (or drivers) free range with their tires. Each driver would get the number of the sets they get now, but they could mix and match them any way they want. If a driver has problems with overheating the fronts, put on medium in front and soft in the back. Or even front left medium, front right soft, back left soft, and back right hard. As long as the driver uses his tires everything would be fine.
    and finally
    3) gives teams (or drivers) the freedom of what compounds they want to take. For example, RB would take always C3-C5, but since Ferrari struggles with tire management they would take C1-C3.

  • @francoisg3500
    @francoisg3500 Pƙed rokem +1

    For those interested here are the links to the videos by Chain Bear and Aidan Millward.
    Chain Bear: czcams.com/video/h1qdojN__20/video.html
    Aidan Millward: czcams.com/video/JKhUoJYRqFc/video.html

  • @Itz_Izeck
    @Itz_Izeck Pƙed rokem

    They need to allow multiple manufacturers make the tires and have the teams and drivers choose who they believe is the best

  • @adsyoffinch
    @adsyoffinch Pƙed rokem

    I’d love to see more tyre manufacturers tbh, not just 2 either but a proper range and bought for each race rather than deals between the teams and companies.

  • @Mandorle21
    @Mandorle21 Pƙed rokem

    1 supplier for sure. Everything has to depend on the team (including the driver).

  • @andrewvillarreal6609
    @andrewvillarreal6609 Pƙed rokem

    Those penny farthings are where the term "break neck speed" came from :)

  • @K05_
    @K05_ Pƙed rokem +1

    So kinda dumb idea but i didnt watch in 2018 but like the idea. What if the hardest compound could make it the entire race. And the hyper soft could only make like 2-3 laps. But as the tires start to go towards the medium it would even out? So hard and super soft could make it or hyper soft and hyper hard could make it or idk. But make them even but have tire combos?

  • @Roguescienceguy
    @Roguescienceguy Pƙed rokem

    Honestly. I miss the Michelin V Bridgestone-era. Heck, I can still remember that there were cars sporting Goodyear.

  • @MartinBennett12
    @MartinBennett12 Pƙed rokem

    We need tyre wars back

  • @0ZeldaFreak
    @0ZeldaFreak Pƙed rokem

    A single Tyre supplier gives the supplier a lot of options to set how a race will play out. With the options to pick which compound is used during a weekend and having the control of making the Tyre wear more or less, they basically say how much pitstops will come.
    Sure it's the same for everyone but this basically minimizes how a pitstop is part of the strategy, especially because refueling is banned. With a 2nd or even 3rd manufacturer, there could be teams that are faster but need more pitstop compared to a Tyre that lasts longer but are slower. Sure the FIA can control a bit but not everything. When a Tyre lasts for a whole race or the drop off is slim, this opens the door for the strategy to wait for a free pitstop.
    For me I think we need a factor that plays a role in the strategy. If more Tyre suppliers should be that, I don't think so.

  • @frenchfrey65
    @frenchfrey65 Pƙed rokem

    idk if this is the case, but I think a huge factor as to why F1 has 1 tire manufacturer (American here), was because of the 2005 US Grand Prix at Indianapolis Motor Speedway. From what I remember the race was so bad that it killed a lot of American interest in the sport, there are 2 videos about this whole incident check em out when you have time! The thing is, when it was Bridgestone and Michelin, Bridgestone thanks to their subsidiary Firestone had data on how to race on Indy, Indy had diamond grinded their track and it really wore down tires! Bridgestone had data on this so they could still race on not just the road course, but the speed way part of the course as well as that has angled corners. Indy's angled corners were driving Michelin crazy, they didn't have the data, and not only were their tires wearing out faster, it was getting downright dangerous to drive on so they demanded a temporary chicane or something to slow the wear down. FIA wouldn't budge. Ftr, this was also during the era where NO TIRE CHANGES WERE ALLOWED!
    This race alone imho, is what drove the FIA and F1 to a few conclusions.
    1. No more Indy Motor Speedway, and I think this is for the better, F1 is way better on pure road/street tracks for flatter corners than banked. Indy Motor Speedway has always been better for Indy Car and NASCAR for only the speedway. I think road courses inside speedways are silly.
    2. Bring back tire pit stops for safety reasons
    3. After what happened at that Grand Prix, FIA I think just wanted the tire war to end because of Michelin's protesting, hence why I think they moved to Pirelli.
    If you ask me? I like it the way it is now, the FIA and F1 are not perfect when it comes to other politics, but I think they got this right. So long as they avoid speedways with road courses, tire wars, and keep the tire pit stops, they're fine. I've become a fan of F1 since it was reintroduced to me during COVID ironically on ESPN, and the way they have it set up is almost perfect.
    Now if they could just knock it off with Vegas/Miami and help make Road Atlanta/Road America F1 compatible!

  • @hugolouessard3914
    @hugolouessard3914 Pƙed rokem

    I think the tyre war would be great, because it would add uncertainty. Like, Red Bull could have the best car, but if their Pirelli for example are less performant than Mercedes' Michelins, that can balance things out or even reverse it. That was great when it existed, and I see no reason why it wouldn't be now.
    But : It would be more expensive, and people would complain that the results are changed by a factor out of the teams' hands.

  • @PolishEddie1992
    @PolishEddie1992 Pƙed rokem

    9:19 "Marry Oh E Solar" ❀

  • @christianorsa
    @christianorsa Pƙed rokem +1

    Indianapolis 2005: *exists*
    Pirelli: it's free real estate

  • @jacknoname9726
    @jacknoname9726 Pƙed rokem

    make the tyres narrower and smaller in radius and then have atleast two tyre manufacturers so the tyres affect aero less and are more loaded encouraging pit stops without having to manufacture them.

  • @RayRay_AUS
    @RayRay_AUS Pƙed rokem

    Have to say I do get more positive thoughts and have put a set of Pirelli P7s on my own car and ok to pay their premium

  • @gercobosch2870
    @gercobosch2870 Pƙed rokem +1

    The tyre war would be interesting to see, because if one type of tyre lasts longer than the other teams would switch to said brand or push their brand to do better.

    • @pokeboi5438
      @pokeboi5438 Pƙed rokem

      That’s exactly what happened

    • @astrofan8775
      @astrofan8775 Pƙed rokem +1

      The problem with that would be that every team at every race would then do a 1-stop, if the other rules remain the same (you have to use 2 different tyre-mixes, unless you race on inters/wets), or without that rule everyone would try to do a 0-stop-race from day 1. Because 0-stop-races from a tyre-point were almost possible back in the days of Bridgestone and Michelin. By now i'd bet everyone joining the sport to make the tyres could do that after surprisingly short development-times. Ofc, the grip-difference would show, but that would just mean 1 manufacture wins, and the next year everyone wants to switch to that one, and all except a few backmarkes will have the funds to pay out their contract, switch, and whoever was the loser only has a few, probably fairly bad, teams to show that they have gotten better. If not, they are almost certain to be out of the sport as soon as the last team can switch. So you'd have to have 2 brands be very close in performance from the start, which is possible, but far from certain. Because else all you'd get is races without pitstops and 1 tyre-manufacturer, all within just a few seasons fo the "tyre-war" starting again. Which is exactly what we don't want. So i get why F1 doesn't want to risk that.

  • @Doodlebob-tc1wc
    @Doodlebob-tc1wc Pƙed rokem

    Imagine becoming an f1 fan back in 2018 and trying to understand all those compounds

  • @Andy__0
    @Andy__0 Pƙed rokem +1

    No tyre war please. We don't need more disparity between teams.

  • @seanonraet8327
    @seanonraet8327 Pƙed rokem

    the trouble with tyre was is that costs will go up and thats kind of against the new sustainable direction f1 is going in

  • @andrewince8824
    @andrewince8824 Pƙed rokem

    Michelin has benefitted. After leaving F1 they started to appear in MTB. Very quickly they've risen to rival Maxxis with a frightening number of wins. Their MTB tyres sell very well, albeit with slimmer profit margins, but that experience with the tyres means that the car guys in the MTB community seem to lean toward Michelins on their cars.

  • @edmundzelger7800
    @edmundzelger7800 Pƙed rokem

    They should bring back the Quali-tyre!!

  • @technerd9655
    @technerd9655 Pƙed rokem +2

    I'd love to see Goodyear come back to F1. I sort of lost interest after the late '90s/early 2000s, around the time Michelin entered F1. I missed the debacle at the US GP and only recently got back into F1 during the pandemic (plus having a Canadian team owner and Canadian driver to cheer for helps too, even if Lance is mostly a mid-tier driver with lots to learn still). What probably should have happened, IMHO, assuming Bridgestone had enough tires to do, was have all teams run on Bridgestone tires for that one race, sure, the Michelin teams would have been at a disadvantage, but at least they would have had safe tires to run on. Not sure if that was even on option, and if so if it was even considered. Perhaps FIA regulations or Michelin contracts with teams would not allow it, or would not allow Michelin to wave any clauses in those contracts allowing those teams to run Bridgestone tires for that one race. But would have been far better than what did happen.

    • @MarkVV045
      @MarkVV045 Pƙed rokem

      It’ll NEVER happen, Goodyear’s Racing Department is a Shell of its former self

  • @KnightVisionBass
    @KnightVisionBass Pƙed rokem +2

    Bring back Goodyear!

  • @hamza-chaudhry
    @hamza-chaudhry Pƙed rokem

    The hypersoft tyre is a bit similar in colour to Tommo Pink

  • @XtremeAleatorio
    @XtremeAleatorio Pƙed rokem

    I think it would be cool to have two tyre manufacturers, it would give the sport more variety and we could se different pit strats, maybe one manufacturer makes faster tyres, the other mor durable o better wet tyres. And to prevent one pit stras make it mandatory to make at least two.

  • @nooriskandarshahnoorhayat3611

    perhaps tyre battles allowed specifically for sprint races?

  • @titan_fx
    @titan_fx Pƙed rokem

    People : "Blue wet tires are useless"
    Pirelli Superhard tires : "Am I a joke to you?"

  • @lvlavericktheoutsider1090
    @lvlavericktheoutsider1090 Pƙed rokem +1

    Michelin exits F1 championship after a long domination for more than a decade, because the enterprise was to big at the time for the world's market. Making the best tires wasn't money making enough to maintain their sales at the first position in the world. Other brands were having gold sales in the BRICS countries, and Michelin stopped competition to restructure their primordials objectives.

  • @MrTakaMOSHi
    @MrTakaMOSHi Pƙed rokem

    0:49 The wheel is big because its was faster than other bikes w/ smaller wheels. As for safety, I don't think anyone was concerned w/ it lol

  • @dpfuller95
    @dpfuller95 Pƙed rokem

    Sounds like your golf bats were SportDirect specials

  • @blu0065
    @blu0065 Pƙed rokem

    I'd only want to see tyre wars if there is at least three providers.

  • @maxamam4653
    @maxamam4653 Pƙed rokem

    Pirelli Pirelli Pirelli