The Incredible Evolution of F1 Tyres
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- čas přidán 22. 12. 2021
- So Formula 1 tyres have changed a lot, from skinny radials on the first Grand Prix cars, to slicks, then grooved, then back to slicks again. The performance improvement has been enormous, where today - the tyres continually (well kinda) support the car at speed of 200 miles per hour and pull up to 6G on the brakes.
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So for this episode of Track Evolution, I’m going to take you from the 50s to today and z
explain what’s changed and why the tyres have continually caused arguments.
Right, so in the 50s they did tyres the old-school way. Skinny, treaded tyres with a relatively simple construction. And really, they weren’t much different from the tyres you would see on a modern mountain bike.
They were supplied by a whole bunch of manufacturers, people like Pirelli, Firestone, Dunlop and Englebert. But if you take a look at the stats, Pirelli were a class above the rest - taking way more wins and podiums.
This was apparently due to them being both faster AND lasting longer - that seems strange to hear as a current F1 fan - but we’ll get to that.
The fronts and the rears were the same size, in both diameter and width - so the cars really didn’t have a whole lot of grip.
Taking a corner was kind of the case of cranking on a whole lot of steering lock, then just waiting for the understeer to end. Typically they would then get on the power and turn the understeer into oversteer - honestly, they were drifting for a lot of the lap.
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you can tell me what you want, but those early 2000s f1 cars with the grooved tires, smaller and narrower body and screaming v10... they are the embodiment and peak of f1 and its looks
Totally agree
I would say the 1990 cars like ferrari and McLaren were like the ideal look of f1.
The cars from 1998 - 2008 were beautiful.
Agreed! That was the era I definitely enjoyed the most 😎👌🏾
Those cars are the embodiment of what f1 should be again. Move the electric crap over to Fe and shrink them again.
I think it's worth noting that the transition from threaded tires to slicks in the early 70s wasn't so smooth, in fact back then in the very early days of slicks, drivers often complained how 'snappy' and 'peaky' the tires were as the drivers were used to long lazy slides of older threaded tires.
Merry christmas 2021 donat prodan.
Corrections Pirelli did not remove the grooved tyres when they re-entered F1 in 2011 it was Bridgestone who removed the grooves on the tyres in 2009. Also the 2022 cars will have 18 inch diameter wheels not tyres, the tyres will be more like 22 inches in diameter.
They even showed a 2009 Brawn on slick Bridgestones...
Tyres like wheels are measured across the wheel diameter, thus it is correct to say that in 2022 F1 tyres will indeed be of 18 inch diameter. Andy is referring to another measurement which is the tyres overall diameter.
I have a BURNING question:
Classic, vintage, and historic race cars that wear slicks or those old squiggly treaded tires and are used for historic races... are the tires on those cars of a superior compound and capability than their original time period counterparts, thereby making the car much faster, or are the tires engineered to behave like tire technology of the era of the car?
Take what I'm saying with a grain of salt but I think I remember of at least one tyre company (I think continental) that produces tyres identical to the historical spec
From this video (@1m50) czcams.com/video/mXgWWNJVdYA/video.html it appears that Pirelli has updated the compounds and construction of their "classic rally" tyres at least
It would depend on the rules of the historic series you enter. You can buy both exact ply/compound/tread replicas, completely modern ply/compound/tread tyres just with vintage looking logos on the sidewall, and everything between.
@@Jonathan_Doe_ So this means at least one tire manufacture makes tires that fit historic race car wheels and have nowhere near the modern day performance of today's tires, yes? Meaning, they basically deliberately "hold back."
@@gregorymarsh9504 Basically yes. But it’s probably safer on really old cars. Their wheel bearings/suspension parts/chassis probably couldn’t handle the extra loads of actually gripping instead of just sliding. Also the centre high of gravity of the older F1 cars would make it especially dangerous if they didn’t slide slightly through corners.
I prefer the cars with the front wings between the tyres not so wide that they cover the tyres - I think the smaller wing encouraged people to poke the car's nose into gaps more as there was less risk of aero damage
Nice to see Scott's son having a go at hosting, what a nice Christmas present from his dad. Didn't he do well too!
Really?
Scott doesn't look old enough for a son this age.
Damn!! Good on you man!!!
Hahahaha no I'm not Scott's son!
That’s his son!?
He's not Scott's son lol, Scott just getting married,he still a fresh husband:v And he's does not have Mansell name in his name:v
Bruh fake news
Let the teams choose the 3 compunds they want to use for each race. It would add an interesting strategy aspect. Imagine RB going for C1, C2 and C5 an Merc opting for C2, C3 and C4. Or some other crazy
thatsssss mah friend a great crazy idea
@MAAHAQQ strategy is strategy
Frankly that would make F1 a lot harder to follow bcz everytime someone is battling someone you gotta look for their tyre type.
@MAAHAQQ Except that maybe Pirelli bring all 5 dry tyres to the race weekend and rename them back to Ultras, Hypers instead of C1 C2 etc. and let the teams have the freedom to choose what tyres they want. There is no limitation on you have to start the race on that Q2 tyre, none of that. All teams can choose whatever tyres they want to quali and start the race with.
@MAAHAQQ Well if unused save them for the next race then. In an entire season all 5 types of tyres will definitely be used Its not like the unused tyres have very little lifespan. And what is your problem with Pirelli?
6:17
"I was racing in ex F1 cars in Boss GP"
Reminds me of a certain F2 driver.
😏 its lord mahaveer
*CONTACT PATCH AREA* does not directly affect grip on most tires. Coefficient of friction does NOT have "area" in the equation [μ = F/N, where F is the frictional force and N is the normal force]
The smaller the contact patch the higher the contact pressure exerted by N so it cancels out. A larger contact path makes the tire LAST LONGER as it spreads the wear over a larger area. Also on super sticky compounds that are actually adhering to the road surface contact path does increase grip.
0:04 when the world's fastest cars rocked positive camber...
glad to live in the most current time available
That Scott fellas not bad, give him the job! 😂😂😂
Bono: Where are your tyres?
Lewis: Gone. Reduced to atoms.
I used the tyres to destroy the tyres
Why are you talking about Lewis? He is GOAT, dont talk bad like that. You are delusional. Pay respect.
@@ab-cv9be *pssstt* They're not trash talking Lewis, it's just a joke and a great one at that if you understand the two references he's making
@@armadillolover99 pssst, you feel good believing that ok.
@@ab-cv9be It’s just a reference to Lewis’s classic “Bono, my tires are gone” with a brilliant tie-in to Avengers Endgame but okay, keep going on thinking it’s disrespectful to him because you can’t take a joke
One of the best series' on CZcams. Excited to watch!
@@leyuvanim5913 bruh wtf no
Probably a unpopular opinion but the 2013 Tyre model was brilliant obviously the puncture was annoying but having 3 stops was a much better then 1 stop Tyre strategies that we have a lot of times now and since refueling isn't allowed in f1 Tyres that last very short make the races entertaining
If you think pit stops make racing exciting I really don't know what to say. For ne it's cars battling on tge rdack not gaving to worry about ture ware alliwingvtgem to give it their all.for me the best tires were the grooved. They alliwed the drivers to shiw what they had. Tge tires of today gave turned F1 into a tire endurance series.
I think 2 stops AAND you can only use soft tyres that would be interesting because you can go all out but yet still have to get to the Pitstone window so all out racing but still have to be a bit carefull
@@thearsenalmisfit2414 You good?
Id love to see the evolution of f1 seating positions. Im planning on replicating the 70’s through 80’s seating positions once i get a sim rig however everywhere i look its either a GT, upright position or knees eye level f1 position and never the in between.
Excellent summary and very informative. I appreciate the presentation style.
"In [F1] your tires were twice as big and your car weighed half as much, now your car weighs twice as much and tires are half as wide" Days of thunder
Question what year did the 1 set of tires rule for the whole race start and end?
The last time was 2005 only
Thanks for sharing such an informative and entertaining piece!
It really just is estonishing how F1 develops there cars and that's why I love it
Many people mods their car heavily, making it undriveable on the road with stiff suspension, noisy exhaust, agressive engine maps... but they go to the track with road tyres. Best way to improve track time, without butchering a perfectly fine car, is to change the tyres.
The tyre blanket really was a great breakthrough.
@MAAHAQQ a necessary one
F1 needs to stop regulating so strictly. The whole idea of the sport is that it is the pinnacle of engineering, but the teams are so limited. The teams should be able to use a variety of engines, more varied aero packages, etc
That might price teams to where there are not enough cars on the field. And theres the speed/danger factor. But yea, the regs require 'MIT' engineers just to 'go'..
first safety reason second efficiency reason t
Its a 'formula' its always been controlled. the more money that came in the more control was needed. There would be no F1 without limitations. Thats not even 'pinnacle' - real engineering genius is when funds are limited aswell as the rules
The problem partly is parity in racing to make it entertaining, and second they can engineer cars and tires that are beyond the limits of drivers G-Force limitations.
An NFT disguised as "shares of a piece of art" wild
Rears were sometimes, though not always, wider in the 1950s IIRC.
Modern grooved tyres were not really an "evolution", but an attempt to level the field because M. Schumacher was running away with the deal. Grooved tyres were ultimately a retrogress.
great video!
damn he changed
F1: Pirelli please make shit tyres that degrade really fast.
Pirelli: We are the experts.
Pirelli tires are like bubble gum
I’m super excited about the banning of tire blankets. It is a transfer of responsibility from pit crew to driver and I always like to see things go that direction.
0:07 "or almost continually" had me spitting my coffee out.
ahh Scott v2 ! what a legend !
LOVED THIS.
The Tyre width of the 2021 F1 car is like 1/2 the length of the entire 1949 F1 car .
I'm super ready for 2022 season
I'm all for the wheel covers. But also can we not? Coz those wheels look sick on that alpine
The old car looks like a go kart compared to modern ones
Interesting video, but there are few physics errors. I will mention one, to avoid nit-picking:
Tyre speed versus airflow. The tyre describes a cycloid in relation to the ground, unless there is pure wheelspin. That means the top of the tyre is doing 200mph, when the car is travelling at 100mph.
The bottom of the tyre, directly below the axle, is doing ZERO mph.
That's part of what makes life so hard for tyres, they accelerate and decelerate on every rotation.
Can you elaborate on how relation of airspeed on different sections of a tyre degrades it? My common sense tells me that that effect is but a small fraction of the wear that a firm contact with the ground creates.
Do you have a source to back up your claim about changing airspeed affecting tyre lifetime?
@@Kolja1987 what? I didn't make any claim.
Your last paragraph seems to imply that the airflow would somehow impact the tyre life. If so, I'm looking to learn more, it's an interesting topic.
Or did I misunderstand?
@@Kolja1987 No, look up "cycloid". The stress on the tyre is structural, the acceleration experienced by the tyre is ongoing.
Consider also that only the very middle of the contact patch is stationary. Just ahead and just behind, where there is still contact with the road, the tyre is being dragged.
That wears the tread.
The repeated acceleration leads to fatigue failure in the tyre carcass.
I don’t really understand why the tyres aren’t built with the tread getting progressively harder (and thus less grippy) the further worn they are => less chance of them giving up, because they wear more slowly in the end, but a more dramatic falloff in performance which will force your hand in regards to strategy if you want to keep up.
Is that Monaco at 4:04? Man we were insane back then
Yup it is
Speaking about the time lap graph, news about it?😎 Just can’t wait to have it on my living room…
This guy’s really lovely and interesting but a driver 61 video without Scott is like an F1 race without Kimi
This is his son (I read in another comment)
@@agrapanambunan5288 it isn't lmfao 😂
@@agrapanambunan5288 bruh you've been played
Is there more of that Coulthard interview? Podcast somewhere or something?
"Hamilton's tyre left the chat" 🤣
Love the new presenter 👍
Nelson Piquet pioneered the use of tents and later blankets to heat the tyres
"Reduced the weight by 5kg per tyre" that's bonkers!!!
What
Per corner?
You mean tire?
@@ydewit5597 you mean tyre
@@ydewit5597 tyre
noun
a rubber covering, typically inflated or surrounding an inflated inner tube, placed round a wheel to form a soft contact with the road
Driver 16 uploaded a video. Surprise surprise
*Driver61
@@ieatchickens I know but this isn’t the usual guy.. hence why I said driver 16
@@sandordelgado9812 oh sorry
Nice video
5:24 it is no secret the person who came up with the idea of warming up tyres was Nelson Piquet in 1978, during the British F3 championship, which he won by a vast margin. However, since the idea of warming up just the tyres hadn't been quite refined, the entire car was placed inside a metal container, and a huge industrial heater blew hot air inside this box, heating up the entire car, so sometimes Piquet would be siting inside a blistering hot cockpit before a race, which, more likely than not he would end up winning.
I keep hearing things like: greater contact patch = more grip
But there is no "area" in this equations.
Friction equals force times coefficient (material related, not contact area).
It's very misleading to simplify it this way.
Big tires are all about heat, not friction.
Metric system, please! Love you guys
Go outside and look at the rims and tires on your vehicle. Metric rims and tires (diameter) failed in Europe back in the 80's.
Section width (mm)/sidewall ratio(%)-rim diameter (in) is standard passenger car tire sizing
No comments made in this vid concerning the introduction of the radial tyre to F1 in 1977 and then with Ferrari adopting this technology in 1978. The radial was so successful that Jody Scheckter and Gilles Villeneuve went on to come 1st and 2nd in the 1979 Drivers Championship for Ferrari thus ending Goodyear's dominance.
It wasn’t Pirelli that removed the grooves from the tyres… it was still Bridgestone that did that and it was because the FIA changed the rules to get rid of the grooves
The 2 or 3 stop races were awesome to be honest, it's a shame the tyres were being destroyed. However I wish F1 let all 5 compounds be used in a race, would be interesting in terms of strategy
I never really looked into the science of the move to grooves. I gotta do that some time.
@MAAHAQQ if u dont mind me asking, why did they want less grip for cornering? For better racing?
Why you look different
I think this is the other fella
@@mikeymasi no i think he shaved
can you guys make a vid about matte vs glossy on f1 cars?
Bro, at first I’m like what happened to you! 😂
@9:25 do u also do podcasts?
there is shots and cars from Grand prix '37 too in this video
@Driver61... What limits the width of the tire that F1 cars can use?
the reason thebridgestone tires were not effected at the indy race was because they knew that the newly resufaced track was alot harder on the tires when loaded. they got this info from their Indy car operation ,
Michelin had no such info at their disposal so the were caught off garde.
Nelson Piquet came up with the idea of warming up the tyres while racing F3, especially in cold climates. Except back then, in 1976 and 77 he hadn't considered electric blankets yet, so the solution was to place the entire car inside a metal container, and heat the container with a large industrial propane heater, so at the starting line, the whole car would be boiling hot!
Have there been rain/wet tyres before slicks?
Pleaseeeeee do a video of how good max and Lewis are and why they are always ahead of the field by 20 secs each race 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Lewis is great. Crashtappen? No.
interesting topic, i wonder what happens to all used up ones. are they just burned like regular car tyres?
F1 gearbox next please😁
wondering for Automation, did the 50s cars use radials or cross ply?
Albon the Tyre whisperer needs to be a tyre dev
Pirelli didn't remove the grooves in 2011 when they got the contract. Bridgestone a were running slicks in 2010. Idk about seasons before then, but pirelli didn't not bring or reintroduce slicks to F1 in 2011
Exactly. He even said it, but then changed it a few seconds later 🤦🏻♂️. Slick tires were reintroduced in 2009, the year Bridgestone said they were stepping out, but they stayed on that year, so F1 had Bridgestone slick tires on that year
Cant make a f1 video about tyres without mentioning US 2005 😂😂😂
I expect a wider tires in the future
wow u got DC!
I wouldn't call the piece of debris Bottas hit in Baku "tiny". It managed to shred his tire almost instantly
Sainz will be world champion next season in calling it
Best video I've seen on F1 tyres.
Black Gold!
Tires are single biggest performance improvement for cars. My 64 Triumph Spitfire supposedly did 1g on cornering on 5.60x13's. Now I have 175/60x13's on her. Still kinda slo tho
The 2010 race in Motreal was one of the worst things that has happened to F1 as far as development is concerned. In a 1 off race that was not the norm there whole series was transformed from the peak of car and engine development into a Tire endurance series where the dars actually cannot complete a race as quickly as they did in 2004. The Imola race winnier in 2004 completed the race quicker dispite the fact he had to negotiate an extra chicane every lap costing him a second a lap. He was able to go flat out yhe whole race where as today it's all about looking after the tires.
We have not see a truly epic drive since Schumacher's France 2004 win and never will until SRS us gone and the tires can be pushed to the limit for more than 3 laps in a row and god help you if your trying to follow someone to make a pass as this increases the wear rate. That makes racing real exciting as the following car has to give up as he has no grip left.
That last sentence, sarcasm? If not, where's the excitement if the pursuing car has to give up due to tear wear when it gets close?
DIDNT expect Coulthard to appear
Oooo, is someone on their honeymoon? Haha Congrats again to Driver61. New fella ain't so bad either.
Edit: Nvm, there is Scotties face =]
bro has a thumbnail like that and speaks about the tyres
QUESTION: Why have a sole tyre supplier at all? doesn't this ensure the end of tyre technology development? A solution may be: You may only use your own tyre once during a race but then must make a least one switch to a pirelli type from the compound range during the race for a minimum of 10 laps. That way type development still moves forward, but pit stops still happen? thoughts. OR you may only use one set of your own tyres for a maximum of 15 laps during the race then must make at least one switch to the pirelli compound race. that way tyre development moves forward adds extra spice to quali.
i think it was a mixture of the 05 incident and how much of a role tires play in overall pace. if a team gets an exclusivity deal to use a specific compound for their team only they can easily make up more pace than benz had in the turbo hybrid era
In nascar we had a tire war and it was bad and scary and dangerous. The war meant making the tire softer at the expense of durablity. If the expected loads were off then the right front would blow and send you striaght into the wall.
Personally I think the worst thing Pirelli ever did for it's business was become the only tire manufacturer for F1 when the tires were designed to go off after a set period of time.
I was born in 1996, the first F1 race I ever saw start to finish was the 2007 Chinese GP. When I got my first real car in 2018, a 2018 BMW 428i xDrive I negotiated into the deal a new set of tires because it was on Pirelli's.
I had Continental DSW's for the life of that car. I wasn't able to negotiate the same on my latest car, a 2018 Audi A5, and the first thing I want to do this spring, before even getting a paint correction and ceramic coat, is getting it off of the Pirelli's it's got on now, and they were brand new when I bought this car at the start of October.
I tried to not let the bad taste Pirelli left in my mouth as an F1 fan, but in the warmer months at the end of summer they're adequate at best, but once it drops below 55 or 60 degrees (f) they're soooo hard and take awhile to return to normal I really hate the way they feel
92 is the last season with fat rear tyres until 2017
Can you do a video about why aero, big tires etc. werent used in the 50s? It seems obvious to get some aero and bigger tires if you're literally understeering cars through corners at 200 kph. Was it that material science couldn't make tires that big that would survive the forces? Or was the increased drag of large tires and aero too much for the engines od the era? Was it the track design - long fast corners instead of sharp short ones?
Hindsight is 20/20, nobody had the foresight to put an upside down airplane wing on a car yet. Downforce simply wasn't a thing back then, it was all about light weight and streamlining, and the narrow tires certainly helped. The first wind tunnel tests on cars didn't happen until the 1960s, and downforce didn't impact racing until the 1970s (Lotus F1).
The 50's was when Crosleys were winning races because of disc brakes!
In 1953, the first European car with disc brakes (Austin Healey 100S) went on sale, and the Jaguar Type C won that year 24h of Le Mans as the only car on the grid with disc brakes.
Nowadays even Bugattis' *brake heat shields generate downforce*.
Also I don’t know if they had started using radial tires yet in the 50s. Inner tube tires were the norm for all cars back and you couldn’t get low profile tires with inner tube tires.
We want more scarbs!
Need more F1 2022 contents please
Perelli had standard car tires blow up.
7:37 basically todays softs almost
3:12 Englebert sign. They did actually exist. Lol
Pirelli weren't responsible for removing the grooves - Bridgestone, in their final 2 years in 2009-10, ran slicks as well. It was the years of the most boring strategies in history, pitting from options within 5 laps and doing the rest of the race on primes.
i alwas wonder how these slim wheels from the 50s and 60s didnt just snap off in the corners
Lots of thick spokes under incredible tension
Callum McIntyre, talking about tyres. LOL
Thank you for a good F1 related video that did not talk about controversies of the last race of 2021.
@@leyuvanim5913 reported
If there's one thing I've noticed from watching people talk about sports, it's that the corporate overlords who run everything are some of the most out of touch, callous, and universally hated people on earth.
I guess F1 is a great halo project for Pirelli, but given the on track performance of their tires I cannot imagine why anybody would watch something like *Max crashing out at Baku and say, "yeah, that's the brand of tires I want on my car!"
So basically like in rally when it started it was all about the passion of racing as fast as possible no matter what,it was all about breaking the limits and setting new standards,then higherups with huge influence and money decide when and what happens and how long the damn tires can last XD,its sickening honestly,i know some regulations are there for safety yes but still some are there just to create "a more exciting show" like when Pirelli was forced ot make tires that last less in order for the drivers to make more pit stops and the predictible outcome of a race to be more random -_-
I'll save you 13 minutes, M O N E Y.
Interesting
Only watch this channel very occasionally. When Scott said his second name, I had to Google, just to check… no.
What time is it?
If he was related, you mean?
@@extragoogleaccount6061 no when did the first presenter not sure what his name is say his second name in the video
nice