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Ar battle zero deep dive- optic mount height
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- čas přidán 15. 08. 2024
- How does optic height impact the performance of your battle zero? In this video we take an in depth look at how a 1.54" optic mount height performs vs a 1.93" optic mount height with a 36yd zero out to 300 yards. We put rounds on cardboard at the 100, 200 and 300 yard lines which provides us solid real world data to review at the end of the video.
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Rifle details:
- Colt 6920 lower
- 14.5" colt socom barrel- 1/7" twist
- Daniel defense RIS II FSP rail
- Surefire FA556-212 suppressor
Ammo:
- MEN M193 55gr ball
Optic details:
- Riton 1-10 LPVO in zero gravity 1.93" one piece mount
- Athlon ERT UHD in Reptilia AUS 1.54" (39mm) one piece mount
00:00 Intro comments
01:29 Battle zero concept
05:25 The testing process
08:02 1.54" mount live fire
10:04 1.93" mount live fire
12:03 The results
16:24 Closing comments
Underrated channel. I love the scientific approach to everything I've seen so far. This is really giving folks the practical data they need.
I totally agree. The way he sets up the shooting with the target visuals really imprints into my memory too. Love it
It's important to note that when adding your mount to the rifle, you need to measure the distance between the center line bore of the barrel to the center line of the scope and inputting this measurement into your ballistics calculator. For example:
The 1.93 mount PLUS the distance of the center line bore to the top of the picatinny rail gives you 3.14 inches. This makes for a 57 yard zero with this optic height and works very well out to 300yds.
These videos have been immensely useful to me. I got a short barreled ar, and the ballistic reticles of Lpvo scopes don't correspond with the lower velocity of the short barrel ar. It is a much better idea to have a battle zero in such an instance. Thanks again for all your knowledge. Much appreciated
I know you're too young for the reference.... But after watching you drill steel over and over at insane ranges with all kinds of calibers, when you held up that cardboard drawing to describe zero again I heard that quote from Rocky IV in my head.... "He's not a machine. He's a man."
I don't know how a guy with your arsenal and your skills keeps coming off as "a regular guy".... but you continue to deliver.
Never get an art department .
This is about what I expected, great seeing the breakdown and proof! No one else is providing this much data with testing, video and explanations; thank you for the service. Speaking as a vet I can tell you, at least from where I did my training - new recruits would get ahead faster and save a several days of being baffled on the range, by watching a few of your videos before ever pulling a trigger or listening to the trainers we had available at the time.
Good stuff. I bought both mounts because I couldn’t decide what was more comfortable and useful. I ended up using the 1.54”, because it’s what I’m used to. I guess now I have an extra mount, so you know what that means… time for a new build!
1.70” mounts are also great
Killin it!!! This series is answering so many questions and sharing so much knowledge!
First-time viewer, here.
For those of us with "combat arms hearing." I truly appreciate your great articulation, to include your change of inflection, and use of pauses in your presentation.
Bravo!
Firstly, great video as always
On your closing comments, this being a battle zero, as I see it, it makes no significant difference to it's intended purpose
Also, when zeroing at 35, 34 or 50 yards, I think you should true your zero to the far zero distance
E.g, zero at 50 and true at 200
Waiting for the rest of the series!!
I am really enjoying your videos. Nice equiptment and great place to shoot keep it up
Criminally underrated channel. Quality information that I use to make good decisions on how I set up my gear- keep it up my dude!
You have a great way of explaining these theories. I’m new to shooting with an optic. (1-6 LPVO) Primary Arms with the nova retical. Your recent videos have helped me find the best zero for setting up my Ruger SFAR.
Dude you’re becoming the standard for these videos it’s great
I swear, I 've learned something every video ive watched of yours. This series made it so much easier to visualize whats going on by looking at side by side comparisons. Adding it to my favorites to re-watch as well.
I like the 1.70 height personally, I'll have to try this test out when I get back to a range that I can do test at. Thanks for the video as always.
Great video as always, this channel is gonna keep blowing up
Bro you are the goat when it comes to tangible, real tactics and doctrine in the shooting world. You use your platform to help others with issues we cannot all test for ourselves. Thanks for what you do. Your content is literally the best of its kind.
Great video. Keep my attention the whole 17:30 minutes. Keep up the good work
The best channel on CZcams when it comes to practical shooting
Once again dude, great valuable gun content that no one tests.
I never gave much consideration to the optic mount height but now I have some new insights! Thanks!
Yet again, another great information packed video!!! Seriously underrated channel! Keep it up!!!
Great information and presentation. Best of all.....no drama. My new favorite channel.
Man this is just the information I was looking for!
Thank you so much for taking the time to share your knowledge!
Great work. Keep ‘um coming.
Great video! Glad you also confirmed why I don’t run the high mount. I can explain why all day, but you sir have put great content to it.
You do an amazing job!! Thanks for taking the time to do these videos for us! 🙌🏻
You are really skilled at conveying information. Very helpful.
Great video, as usual. I am really enjoying your channel. As a new shooter, to long range, I am learning a lot from your channel and shortening my learning curve. Thank you.
Thanks to this video, i am now having a dilemma between the Zero Gravity and the Scalar Works 1.93" mounts. At current retail prices, the difference is only $50... getting uou quick-detach and easy scope leveling for the cost.
Love the way you present this information!! Very useful.
Thank you. Loving the drop vids. Great to “see” the trajectories via impact at different ranges. Great job on your channel. Congratulations!
Bro this is so interesting! Something I've never considered. Very insightful
Love these videos. Can't wait to test this one as well for myself.
Good video man you put in a lot of time putting out this information for us.
Went exactly how I thought it would go . I personally use 1.7 or 1.93 Mount for my LPVO . For red dots / HWS I also prefer 1.93 to 2.26 height mounts . All around I'm a huge fan of 1.93 .
I’m going with a 20 MOA precision mount on my LPVO , I’ll be experimenting with this.
Awesome video! Was on the fence about getting a 1.93, but now I'm gonna get one for sure..
Just bought a 1.70" Condition One lpvo mount, we would love a Pt. 2 down the line. And Battle Sight zero at 100 yards and 100 meters
Awesome video. You're quickly becoming my favorite channel. Keep up the great work.
Fantastic idea and differences in results were bigger than I expected. Thanks man.
Location makes everything different. I live in East TN, where people think the sights need to be as close to the bore as possible. But in this area, most hunters get their kills at point-blank and rarely have to shoot beyond 90M. The real fun is the unit of measure argument, where they assume you have brain damage if you use Mils rather than MOA. The competition crew have so many opinions, it is better to turn off your hearing when around them. Many of them believe in misleading those they could be competing against. I have always tried to keep my scopes around 2" above the bore, because of the size of the scope. Long range scopes need a 1" riser to fit on a AR.
A topic that needs addressing is twist rate. Most talk about stability, but they have no clue. I have a Savage 110 in 270 Win, with a 1/10 twist rate. I noticed in reloading for this gun to get every shot fired to cut one hole, I had to load at the max pressure rating for the gun. For 30 years, I tried to overcome the accuracy issue with lighter loads and failed. Now I am learning that a 1/8 twist would have fixed the problem. The best accuracy I could achieve with this Savage was a 4" group at 300M. I have moved on to a 6.5 Grendel.
Enjoyed the video. Commented (obviously), liked, shared, subscribed ... may the algorithm gods smile favorably upon your channel.
Thanks for doing all these comparison videos. It's nice to see these results on video and you're building a very nice reference library for us to come back to.
Great video. I’d love to see the differences of these with a 100 yard zero because that’s where many people zero their LPVO’s.
It would be pretty similar at 100. Maybe a couple inch variance at 300yd between the different optic mount heights because it's such a flat zero the drop (for point of aim point of impact) would be more significant. But with a reticle you essentially should collect dope so you can hold over.
Battle zero is more for things like a red dot where there is no measurements in the reticle to know where to hold and maybe with a magnifier where you could hold center mass and get hits. Taller the optic, the more lobbing of the round you're doing. So with something like a unity mount(2.26" height) you want like a 60-70 yd zero for the smallest variance above and below holding center mass out to 300.
So what I mean is he's only using the lpvo for the magnification to get as accurate a comparison as possible.
If you zero at 100 yards on an LPVO, which most are supposed to be zeroed at you follow the BDC of the reticle.
@@PistonDrivenGun between this video and the last he proved that BDCs are only good on the setup they’re designed with. Different barrel lengths, optic heights, and ammo will change the trajectories
@@bigz5262 they are kinda a gimmick but they can get you close and always can write the distances on the stock. As a reference
@@PistonDrivenGun that’s a very fair point. My buddy’s dad has one and we found that if he zeroed a farther mark the margin of error was smaller. I think we went with 200 and it was a little off at 100 but a lot closer at 300
Im excited for the bullet weight idderation
Yes
Really enjoying your videos. Great work! 😎
I’d like to see results with 75-80 grain bullets
Such a well-done video!
Thank you! 2 more videos in the series on deck for release next weekend so hope you’ll stay tuned!
20” carry handle gang still winning 🤘 Stoner knew wtf he was doing.
Thank you for making these videos. They are very helpful. Everything is explained very well.
Good stuff, definitely dig the series. Gives me a pretty decent idea of what I could expect outta my setup, I'm runnin a suppressed 13.7 with a primary arms plx-c in a unity mount. A little taller then 1.93 I believe but probably pretty close. Keep up the awesome work bud and god bless from ole Carolina.
Thank you for doing such a thorough job! Great info presented in such a way that even I could apply it to my set-up. You rock! I don't have a mullet but I love the Mountains and Merica!
This channel teaches me the intricacies of optics velocity’s and the bullet flight parts of shooting. Johnnys reloading bench teaches the reloading part. What else do we shooters need!?
Very cool to see the difference in impacts.
Loving these videos! Can't wait for the rest of the series.
you're the best.
just got an lpvo, it came with a 1.5 mount. first range day after zeroing and it was a pain to get behind that scope. i couldn't get in the eye box fast and i felt like i had to lean over my rifle to get into the eye box. tried a friends lpvo mounted at 2.04, instant bliss, even shooting table mounted out to 300m was so much easier. decided to split the difference a little and go for a 1.93 adm mount, no regrets... im 6' 3", so my rifle setup needs to accommodate my big head and long neck, not the other way around.
I just suggested this on the last video. Thanks. But just so you know the 36z shoots way high and farther with a higher optic. But at 100z it floats longer with a higher optic. Check the data on a ballistic calculator for 100yz
Great video and interesting results. Always learn something watching your work. Thanks
Love my Zero Gravity Summit 1.93 mount!
Great topics and explanation, only thing I'd recommend is to put the data in a chart and display in the corner
Another great video. Very well put together. Thanks for the great info!
Love these! So much good information, good data! God bless!
I will keep standard 1.54 mount. Head redundancy positioning and ability to shoot in more positions including Prone.
It seems like ideally you’d just get to test your individual ammo. Personally I have a BDC for my 5.56. It’s a shorter barrel and running the numbers it lined up really nicely with a 7.62 reticle. Then I took my reticle and set the elevation based off the 300 hash and basically zeroed it at that distance on that mark, lessening the error through the range of marks. So my 200 mark might actually be 235 or something that doesn’t really matter and my 500 mark is more like 488 or something, instead of dead nuts at 200, leading to 415 or something at 500 if that makes sense.
Sounds like you need to just get a MIL based reticle instead of making a BDC somewhat work.
@@JGoodZX6R it makes the BDC 100% work. You could make a mil reticle kinda work with speed drop but probably less precise than a BDC.
I expected it to be very similar at longer distances. The actual results are more interesting.
Nice drawing lol. Thanks for the content. Amazing video.
Appreciate the details and comparisons.
That was a video! Good job man! Well done.
The end was my question about adjusting the zero yardage… and your answer makes sense.
I’m looking to go to 1.91” riser trying to relieve my neck in the prone with my kit that is thicker with level 4 plates single stack mag and pouches. With no bipod I struggle getting getting good sight picture and check well.
Things to think about for me thanks
Sweet vid
My cheek weld feels better at 1.54" than at 1.93". I would need to use a spacer to make a 1.93 comfortable.
I really appreciate your expertise
You’re on a roll! 💪🏿
Thanks again for doing the work!!
Love this channel. Keep it up
Puttin in the work my ninja….keep it up and it’ll only get better…gotta get my dd on though and run through its paces…love to call dd and just order a 20” 7.62 upper as the v5 I never see..also like the delta pro chassis and like to slap a mod70 barreled action in 1…👊🏻..wish you the best holidays my friend….matt
Great info again! Thank you!
Good breakdown but 1 thing…barrels aren’t aimed “up”. That’s not why bullets climb when fired.
Great job again on the video
Just found the channel - good stuff!!
Another excellent video.
Thank you for another good video.
39 yard zero with 62 grain through my 13.7 with a 1.93 works out perfectly. You've just got to go play around and figure out your zero for your rifle, optic and ammo setup.
Alright, you got me. I'll just go ahead and hit that subscribe button. 😄👍
Thank you.
Good job young man🤙🤙🤙!!!!
Hey brother would be super interested in some videos of your hand loads vs some of the custom ammo you get from offline.👍 think you would give a great comparison
I have a question and it's not a critique I'm trying to understand this. A 36 yd zero are you in the pastor or above it?
Great video thank you!
for consistency or closer grouping at various distances closer to the bore axis the closer you will be to the actual target. this is a no brainer. if one could have an optic that was inline with the bore axis it would be much closer.
Another good one!!
excellent video
Great video.
Awesome!
🇺🇲👍🏻 keep up the good work Brother 🦅
Great channel!
I like the 1.54 because its low enough to piggyback a red dot
Respectfully, I disagree with your expanation of 50/200 or 36/300 battle sight zeros (BSZ) and feel that your description confuses the concept of Maximum Point Blank Range (MPBR). My understanding is that BSZ function as a rule of thumb that with common load, m855 or m193 & 16ish barrel, a 50/200 or 36/300 your near zero should 'correspond' to Point of Impact (POI) far zero, not as you stated +or- a few inches out to the far zero. It is true that a BSZ will function as a MPBR on a humanoid target, aim dead center, squeeze, impact out to far zero. It is also true that in practice this will vary quite a bit as barrel length, load, and environmentals change which is why I would typically true the load POI to the far range. That being said, kickass video & thanks.
Great video man. Where did you get that hat??