I can't trust anything you say. You're not wearing body armor. You're not rocking a oak ridge boys style beard. You're not dropping F bombs every third word. And finally, You're not using a 8 grand rig with every attachment know to mankind. Nope, not trust worthy. Keep up the work, new sub here.
Dude this cracks me up! I’m just a pretty normal guy out here trying to make entertaining content for CZcams. So far I’m having a blast doing it and viewers seem to really enjoy what I’ve been putting out. Appreciate you taking the time to watch and hope you’ll stay tuned as I’ve got so many great video ideas in the works!
I’ve watched many videos on this topic and understand it completely. But this was by far the best example. You put a lot of work in all your videos thank you.
Appreciate it! Certainly there are a ton of videos available on each of the videos but I felt like my niche was a real world side by side compare of each zero. Really I just had a ton of fun making this one haha
You’re the man bro I love my AR-15 This video was awesome. I’ve only shot a couple of times at 150 but the next time I go I’m trying to shoot 300 yards once again great video my brother keep up the great work.💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾
Fantastic video demonstration! Everybody please remember this is a 14.5" barrel, 55gr ball M193, with a suppressor. Your miles will vary with say a 10.3", suppressed, mk262 (77gr OTM), or maybe you have a 16", unsuppressed, with 62gr M855 green tips. All of this matters when setting your zero!!! Ammo and suppressed/unsuppressed will change your POA/POI if you zero for one specific thing and then switch something about your setup! Just something to be aware of guys.
You know I've always been a 50yd zero fan however after running each of these side by side I'm thinking I'll swap over to the 36yd zero. Really don't see many downsides to this one and like how it performs out to 300 yds. Thanks for watching!
You have to confirm the zero you’re using with your rifle and ammo combination. It’s going to potentially look a lot different if you’re using 50 grain varmint bullets v. 77 grain SMKs.
Since 2010 when I was in Afghanistan we had to verify our zero because we were gonna be at a higher altitude than normal. We had one of the Greeneye guys that does things at night with us and he showed us the 36 yard zero and that's what I have used since then. Great video
After years of CZcams videos, this is by far the very best video demonstration on zeroing an AR. No background music, no I.Q. dropping profanity… just real world, well-explained data. THANK YOU!! Awesome job!
Dude I started using 36y and it’s just been great, Shawn Ryan’s video was the reason I heard about it , then I saw Travis Haley talk about it , so I decided ti try the zero out and have totally loved it because of the almost mindless snap up and shoot center and hit targets out to 300 easy with just a dead center aiming at steel
Same here, I first learned about the 36yd zero from Shawn Ryan’s video. That said however I was running the 50yd zero at the time and didn’t believe the hype. Long story short….. after shooting each of these side by side for this video I’ve decided I’ll be swapping to the 36yd zero. Really like how it performed out to 300 yds. Thanks for watching!
Me too. Started using the 36 yd zero for my RDS and irons after Shawn Ryan's video a few years ago. The illustration of the impact spread for each zero from 25-300 sold me.
Thank you! Really appreciate you taking the time to watch. I just finished up a 30 battle zero video that I hope to get launched in early may. Hope you’ll stick around and check it out!
Best presentation on this subject I've seen and I am coming into this as someone who already understands the topic quite well and have experimented with it myself. That said, I don't think I can recall a video with good quality video that showed each of these zeros at the various different common shooting distances. Thanks dude.
Thank you! My goal here was to create an entertaining video but show exactly how each of these stack up side by side. Hope that’s the message that gets portrayed to the viewer. Really appreciate you taking the time to watch!
I can not thank you enough for putting in the time and effort to make this video. I have watched many videos where people go over zeroing theory, but you actually put in the work. I am now a subscriber.
Appreciate you taking the time to watch and support the channel! Theory is great but there is just something cool about gathering real world data to evaluate how the theory actually performs. I've had a ton of comments asking me to revisit this with different calibers, bullet weights, barrel lengths and optic heights so stay tuned for more content in 2023!
This video was outstanding. Minimal fluff, and mostly showing bullet rise and drop in action at all the popular "zeros". Thank you for taking the time!
Vet here, 30 years since setting zero on an ar. Awesome video with clear and understandable explanations and demonstration. This is exactly what I needed to get back in to setting up a rifle. TYVM, liked and sub'd. This will be a permanent reference in my toolkit as I explore optics and uses.
Mad respect for all of the work this took to do. Also, great shooting on all your groups! People really underestimate the consistency and stamina it takes to do all this.
Bro, I’ve read and watched so many videos about this topic. This was BY FAR the best and most informative one. Simple and to the point with real world results. Thank you and nicely done!
Great video. Looks like the 36 yard zero is the way to go for meaningful hits - 5 inch radius spread give or take - out to 300 yards when the optic set up is red dot or red dot + magnifier. With a LPVO set up the 100 yard makes sense too, as you will rely on your BDC for offsets.
Yep, 100% agree with you. If you’ve got a bdc then for sure zero that as instructed. If not and you’ve got something like a dot I believe the 36yd zero is a great option for shooting out to and slightly beyond 300 yds.
Dude, thank you SO much. Fairly new gun owner here who is a dad just wanting to protect family life, limb, and property. Running a mid-level AR with 556 ammo and a 9mm PCC both 16 inch barrels and standard red dots on both and I’ve only had 25 yards to work with over the last 4-5 months shooting regularly. I noticed I would have my zero at 10, then lose it a bit at 15 - 25 and I wasn’t quite understanding how I should be approaching the zero thing. I thought I must have been missing something, but your video just confirmed my suspicions and most importantly WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT! I’m not looking to win any Olympic shooting competitions any time soon, but if I’m going to have these weapons I want to be deadly and affective with them. Thank you so much man for taking the time to create this video
This was the best actual demonstration of zero ranges I've seen yet. Thanks for making it and sharing. I'm running a red dot with a 50yd zero but I'm getting ready to sight in a new AR with a LPVO. This is extremely helpful. Kudos 👏
I'm not going to read through 2500 comments, but I can already hear the, What bullet, What velocity, What twist rate, What was your position in terms of sea level, comments in my head. This "real world" (as you said) approach is probably one of the best videos I've seen here. And you were actually man enough to shoot paper and not simply "ring steel" and call a hit good. Kudos to you. Oh wait. Did I miss all the in video pimping for sponsors? Man! I love this channel. Old school for sure. Just a guy enjoying what he's doing and presenting it to others.
Thank you for taking the time to put this together with such quality. I think I'll stick with the 50-200 with my 10.5 because it is not super effective past that anyway.
Yep, ultimately I think zero choice is dependent on rifle and intended application. If max distance is 200ish yds then the 50yd zero is a great choice. Thanks for watching!
@@MountainsMulletsMerica I have a 16” rifle built as a GPR with lvpo and bipod. I had a 36 yard zero it was great! but I only shot it out too 100yards. But I do want a 25-700 yard rifle so would 36 even be the same past 300? Yards
This was by far one of the most well thought out and executed videos on the theory of zeroing. Being former LE I like the 36 yard zero. It is effective in real world scenarios of enhanced battle tactics. You can go from close quarter and clearing buildings to longer range open LOS active shooter situations. BTW, love your property. Great place to explore your carbine capabilities.
I have been a fan of, and running, the 36 yd (33M) zero on two of my AR’s for a while (thanks to a video Shawn Ryan made a while back), but it is nice to see someone else walk us through the “why”. Well done on the props and explanation. 👍👍
Appreciate you taking the time to watch and support the channel! The Shawn Ryan video from a couple years back is where I first learned about the 36yd zero but it’s taken me seeing these side by side to decide to actually give it a try. Really don’t see a downside.
12yd≈11m is easy to remember, 11m-12y=2.72cm(x3=8.16cm off at 36yd or 33m) 35yd≈32m is a bit harder, but much better 35yd-32m=0.4cm The best approximation in average AR-15 ranges is 257yd≈235m, 257yd-235m=0.08cm The best under 1000m is 908m≈993yd, 908m-993yd=0.08 cm as well but is a closer ratio with the longer distances. Yes I am a nerd, maybe someone will care. I'm debating between the 64m≈70yd and the 235m≈257yd zero. I am still practicing grouping at any decent distance so I suppose the former first, and once I am comfortable with that (and learn the holdovers, point blank radius, point blank range) Then as I improve see what I think of the more traditional ≈250 far zero trajectory. At least learn it, but it will clearly have a larger point blank radius, but also a further point blank range, with probable intermediate hold unders. Idk, we will see which oath I choose.
Thank you! Had a ton of fun making this one! Ultimately my goal here was to see how real world performance matches up with theory. Seems like this is constantly a topic of conversation so hopefully this video can be a reference point for folks trying to decide which zero makes the most sense for them. Appreciate you taking the time to watch!
Great demonstration of the different zero options. A lot of people talk about it but I have not seen anyone take the time to zero the rifle every time and actually shoot them all like this. Appreciate your time putting this video together for us!
This is always interesting because it’s a very nuanced topic but people assume there is only one way to do it. It all depends on your optics reticle. Some optics a 36/300 yard zero is optimal, others, 50/200 yard zero is ideal. For scopes with a bdc reticle a 100 yard zero may be mandatory for the bdc to work. A scope with subtensions in MIL/MOA the best option is to zero at 200 yards and setup a dope chart for 300, 400, 500, and 600 yards. It all depends on your optic and reticle.
After running each of these side by side for this video, i tend to agree with you. I'm planning to swap over from my current 50yd zero to a 36yd zero as a result of this test haha
My range has 25, 50, 75, 100 and 200. I always zeroed at 100 and had great experience, but have not yet moved on to the 200 yard (or backwards or that matter haha)...Loved the explanation and being able to see the results through practice not just theory. Keep up the great work! going to send some lead down some of the other distances after watching this.
I started running a 36 yard zero after watching Shawn Ryan explain why he used it claiming that from 25 -300 yards the impacts would be within a 5 inch circle which would be very much minute of man. I could only shoot to ,200 yards at my gun club here in southwest Pennsylvania. Great video. Found your channel thanks to Texas plinking.
Every now and then you come across a channel that will change everything. How you do not have 1MIL followers is beyond me. By far the best channel to understand shooting. Thank You Sir for all the work.
Appreciate the compliments and support! The channel is seeing consistent and solid growth which I’m very thankful for. Lots of exciting new content coming so hope you’ll stay tuned and share word about the channel when you can!
Me over here thinking I have to dump a crap ton of ammo at the range just to zero my rifle. But this video has shown me that I can reliably bore sight my rifle inside my house and then fine tune it to zero with only a handful of bullets at the range!! Hell yeah!! Seeing the real world results of each zero at each range really makes me want to try running the 25 yard zero. I can get tight groupings through the distance that most engagements would take place, but it also allows me to push out to distance if the need arises. This has been one of the most helpful videos I have come across in a while. Most videos just give you the theory portion of ballistics but don't actually go through the process of showing each and every one in real world performance. Thank you for this video!! This is the first of your videos I have ever seen and I just subscribed to your channel because of it!!
By far one of the best videos on this topic. Thanks for the work you put into this! It would be interesting to see how barrel length effects poa/ poi at various zeros.
Very thorough and illustrative demonstration. Thank you! The 36 yd. zero seems to be the best "battle zero" choice. Center mass hold out to 300 yards. The 25 yard zero also works great. Shooters should be aware that if the scope's line of sight is slightly higher than iron sights, results could vary, but probably not enough to make a difference for a "battle zero".
@@2Ajosh That's what the BDC in the rear sight is for. In theory, anyway. That's where you "dial up" using the elevation wheel, up to 600 on the carbine/detachable carry handle sight and 800 on the A2 rifle sight
Thank you for the hard work on this vid 🙌🏻 Excellent to see them shot side by side. Well done. And this reinforces the 36 yard zero. Especially since I can zero it with an adjusted target at a 25 yard indoor range.
Best representation on how different zeros work! I’ve watched a lot, looks like I’ll be doing the 36yd zero. It’s made the most sense for my setup ever since looking into zeros and this video nails it down!
I have gotten into AR shooting a lot more recently. Out of the videos I’ve watched this has been the most informative. Thanks for spending all the time to bring us this content!
I’ve been a fan of the 36 yd zero ever since I saw Shawn Ryan’s video on it. This video not only supports everything stated in his, but also defines the differences extremely well. Will be showing this vid to others. Nice work. 👍🏻
Yep the Shawn Ryan video does a great job of explaining the theory. My hope with this one is to provide some real world data for each zero. Always cool to see how the real world performance matches up with the theory. Thank you for the support!
This was wonderfully done, thanks so much! I've been wanting to explore the 36 yd zero, and after watching this I definitely will. I really appreciate your clear and thorough approach, cheers!
I really enjoy your videos! The .308 video you produced really helped me decide on what zero to choose! You have saved everyone a ton of ammo and time! Thanks for all that you do!
Great video! Have been a fan of the 36-yard zero for some time. First heard it championed by Travis Haley years ago. Appreciate the effort you put into this.
Thank you! I had a blast making this one. Always fun to go out and put “theory” to the test vs real world performance. I’m hoping to revisit this concept in future content so hope you’ll stay tuned!
You did an outstanding job of explaining theory vs. real world. As many of the other commenters stated, I already understood this but have never seen it presented so well as you've done. The 36 yard zero is my preferred zero. For whatever reason the 36 yard zero isn't talked about enough. I learned it from Sean Ryan (Vigilance Elite) back when he did this type of content. Also I subscribed to your channel and hope you keep putting out quality content.
Shawn Ryan’s video is where I first heard of the 36yd zero as well. That said though I didn’t believe the hype and continued running the 50 yd zero. After running each of these side by side though I’m planning to swap from 50 to 36, really can’t see any major drawbacks with this swap. Appreciate you taking the time to watch and support the channel!
As someone just getting into shooting, this is really valuable information. It was useful to see the general principle of the bullet's flight along with actual examples for various zeros. Thanks for a great video and breakdown.
Glad you enjoyed it! I actually just finished filming a 308 version of this which I hope to get out in early May. Hope you’ll stick around and check it out!
This video deserves a lot more views. I've never seen anyone put together such a comprehensive lesson on the different points of impact at so many different yardages.
This video should be pinned by CZcams admins themselves so it pops up on everyones screen. Fkn awesome. Well thought out and explained. The patience to do this for us! Thank you!💪🏼
Appreciate the support! Just out here trying to create entertaining yet valuable content. I’ve got a 308 battle zero video dropping in a couple hours so hope you’ll stay tuned and check it out…. Lots of big things in the works so share with your buddies!
Thanks for putting out really good information on the question everyone asks! I've used the 36 yard zero for almost a couple years now, moving from the 50. I'm not a precision shooter and my carbine is built for real world defensive encounters, so I like that my POA/POI is really close without worrying about different holds at any distance under 300.
You know I’ve run the 50/200 for years however after making this video and running things side by side I’m thinking I’ll transition to the 36yd zero. Really don’t see a downside to it.
I think the issues arise at the 150, 200, and 250 marks. Being a bit high over the target and forcing shooters to think "do I shoot high or low in this situation?"
@@woodsghost9088 impact at those distances should fall somewhere within 4 inches high of point of aim. Adjusting poa to slightly lower should compensate for that, but I believe the idea was to have a zero that would allow effective hits from 25 to 300, all impacting within approx. 6 inches without changing poa.
Thanks. Reid Heinrich has argued that experience shows humans adjust to uncertain situations and make hits better when using the 100y zero because it is more intuitive. Which you may not be one of those "typical" humans. I'm about to goof around with M193 with 2 rifles zeroed at 50 and 100 and see what I think of performance at 150 and 200, and maybe 250. I'll stick with whatever I like better. I have been getting issues when shooting deer. With maybe 12 inches of impact zone (height wise) and maybe 6-8 inches of actual usable target zone due to the need for hitting 2 lungs (gotta hit the visible portion of the critter and get the round out the other side while hitting important stuff and missing the guts). For me this has translated into a questioning of logic on defensive guns used at 150/200/250/300. In short, Reid identified the issue of struggling through high/low bullet trajectory under stress causing misses and I think I have experienced that with deer. And looking at using a rifle defensively at longer range, do I expect to be hitting targets with a full 12 inches of exposed impact area? No I don't. I expect maybe 6 inches of exposed target area and maybe less. Based on previous target behavior. Defensive use of weapons means a highly dynamic situation with limited target exposure for limited time windows. Or "a squirrely furball of chaos." So if one is aiming at the smaller target there is greater risk of the round missing because it is over or under the target (likely over). So I'm edging towards a simpler zero with less to know or figure out when dealing with a 6 inch target at extended range. (If it's over 150y, aim a little high, and learn the holdovers). I'm not saying you have to change what you do. I'm just sharing what has gone through my head based on my experiences and listening to some other more experienced people. I haven't yet settled on what I'm going to do. But at least now you know some of the real world issues I have been dealing with and trying to resolve with the right zero.
Its quite interesting understanding the purpose of these various zeros and their context. We are talking about combat hits, as opposed to precision accuracy. You would be using something mil based on a DMR or PR gun and then probably something in a different caliber.
Good, thorough work there. Appreciate the effort you put into this video. I’m a relative new shooter, well, hadn’t picked up a firearm in over 30 something years. Wanted to get back to shooting and have learned so much just in the last two years from channels like yours. Keep up the content and you really present stuff well. Thanks!!
Thank you! Really appreciate you taking the time to watch! Just out here trying to create entertaining content that provides some kind of value to the viewer. You won’t find anything over the top here haha
Thank you for taking the time to make this video! I have watched many others you have made and always enjoy the content! Based on this review of the different zeros, I have changed from a 100 yrd zero to the 36 yrd zero! I think your content is true and can be trusted!
The thing I like about 50-200 for me is everything is very tight to 200 . Then as you get further out you need to aim high . My instinct naturally corrects for that . However it’s odd for me to hold low inside of 200 that the 36 yard calls for . But like you said it’s worth exploring .
Certainly a bit off to have to hold low but the intended purpose is to be able to rapidly engage “generous” targets. Rather than thinking about holding low with the 36 yd zero, I just think about trying to hold center and trust the ballistics will do their job and allow me to connect on something like a torso. For sure give it a try if you haven’t before. Thanks for watching!
From my point, 50-200 is better. I don't like the idea that I'm little bit zeroed and then I need to correct and then again I'm ok. If we're talking about battle zero, my point is that level of stress is inversely proportional of distance to threat so until 200, you don't have to worry about anything, put a crosshair in the middle of center of the mass and pull the trigger. Above 200, you have some time to use your reticle. 36 yard zero would be better for iron sights because it gives you more controlled distance but with some scope and reticle to calculate the drop, 50-200 is better.
Thank you! Really appreciate you taking the time to watch and support the channel. Always fun to see how real world performance matches up to theory. Hoping to put out more videos on this concept so stay tuned!
I routinely see videos with comments claiming it was "the best," or "most thoroughly explained," or "different than every other" video on YT that is doing exact the same thing. I often wonder if it's all bots or if I'm broken because I usually find nothing innovative or worthwhile in most of them as compared to the others. Of course, I am not the arbiter of what constitutes quality on the internet, but I think the comments for your video here are spot on. Exactly what one would like to see regarding theory vs application. Well done, sir.
Awesome, really appreciate you taking the time to watch. Like you I’ve watched tons of gun related content on CZcams through the years and as a result I think I’ve identified ways to make my channel unique and valuable to viewers. Hope you stay tuned as I’ve got so much planned for 2023 and my goal is for every video to be entertaining but provide viewers with some kind of valuable takeaways!
Using very simple to understand labels, targets, and language, You have done a far better job of making "zero" easier to understand to novice shooters like me. Thank you so much for spending the time and brass to make this video. I will be sharing.
Really appreciate you taking the time to watch and support the channel! Im just a normal guy so my goal is to create content that other folks like me can identify with. Planning more content like this so hope you’ll stay tuned!
To say that this test was extremely well done would be a huge understatement. Fantastic Content - Thanks for sharing. What would be interesting to see is how you can use your reticle to compensate for each of the difference distances for one of the zero settings versus dialing in the target with the turrets.
Thank you, appreciate you taking the time to watch! Stay tuned for future content. I’ve had a lot of really great ideas like yours come up in the comments of this one. Will for sure revisit this topic in 2023 content!
Thank you, Your experience is similar to mine. It reaffirms my decision to stick with the 50/200 yds zero. I have very little plans to shoot past 200 and if I have to and know they are farther than that an upper chest hold will do the trick out to 300+. My front sight post covers the whole head at that range anyways. Good video
Can’t argue with you here. I’ve been a 50 yd fan for years. Like you say it’s unlikely a fighting carbine will be used much last 200-300 yds so the tight trajectory the 50/200 yd zero provides is nice. Thanks for watching!
Makes sense but I think a SHTF battle rifle would be best @ 35. Plus minus 3” from point blank to threat is a safer bet.. as with all tho, know what ya run and it will be the best on for ya:)
This video was Awesome and tremendous help! Thank you for your hard wk in making this video. I guarantee this helped out many people on making up their decision on how far to zero in. You killed it ....
Your video content is always top notch, the way you deliver your Information sets you apart from others and really sets the bar in my opinion. Thank you for the awesome videos. Happy Holidays !
Really appreciate that! Just trying to keep things simple and to the point so hopefully that's the way the messaging comes across in each of my videos. Stay tuned for more!
Great video! Probably the best I've seen on this topic. I use the 100 yard zero for my rifles. The bullet never going over the point of aim at any distance works well for me. I rarely shoot an AR over 200 yards, so the drop at distance isn't a big concern for me.
Oh man, sounds like the 100yd zero is perfect for you. Really easy to hold over for a couple inches of drop out at 200yds if needed, and like you say with the 100yd zero you don't have to worry about the bullet ever climbing above your point of aim. Thanks for watching!
The range where I can shoot regularly only runs out to 200. I run ACSS reticles that have a bit of ranging, BDC and windage holds in them. I agree 200 is likely the longest shot we'd most likely take. I feel confident the math in that reticle would let me stretch out to 500 which is probably the limits of 5.56.
Another interesting test would be this exact test using a red dot with a tall riser + magnifier combo like the unity 2.26” vs co witness height. Having a taller height over bore theoretically makes the poi between the two zero’s even higher. Which is why I’d chose a 50yd zero over 36yd in this circumstance
Oh man stay tuned. I’ve had a ton of comments on how optic height would change the results. Hoping to test bullet weight, barrel length and optic height in a future video. Just have to acquire all of the variables needed to properly test. Thanks for watching!
I had the same question, I run unity fast mounts and the ftc with a magnifier. I've only found one video and talked with a guy and he said to use a 57 yard zero for the difference. I've never had the places to stretch it out to confirm but I know at 25 yards I believe its 1.8 inches low.
I'm not sure of the etiquette of linking to another YT Channel, but there is a guy (Delta 34) who has a fantastic series on Zeroing re Distance and Height Over Bore. Here are the Links to his Zero / HOB videos: czcams.com/video/HFE-wj7sOs0/video.html and czcams.com/video/9qkKJyMtpVI/video.html Check them out. I think Mountains-Mullets will be OK with it. MMM and Delta 34 do the absolute best videos for hands-on learning. I have learned so much watching MMM and Delta 34.
You know maybe I'll put a 308 zero/ trajectory video on the to do list as it would be pretty fun to make and currently there isn't a ton of 308 content available on this topic. Stay tuned!
MMM, This is the most intuitive teaching video on zeros that I've seen to date. Good on ya! When on active duty, we were encouraged to use a 25 yd zero. After working for a short time with some SOF bubbas I changed over to a 36 yd/meter zero for the very reason you illustrated. Less holdover/under math to keep track of when I'm busy with other shit.
I've been researching this subject for a while now and have zeroed my ARs at 50 yards. Now that I've watched this, I'm going to re-zero them to 36 yards, lol. Great video, you did a lot of work!!! I'm definitely going to subscribe
Oh man this is great….. I’ve been a 50 yd zero fan for years. After running each of these zeros side by side however I decided to swap over to the 36 yd zero. Been running that for several months now on my “fighting ar”….. haven’t looked back since. A great option if you ask me!
Thank you! I appreciate you taking the time to watch. I’ve been a 50yd zero fan for years. Hard to beat how well it performs out to and slightly beyond 200 yds.
You know 762x39 is one I haven’t thought of yet. I’m planning to revisit this topic in future content as it seems like folks really like seeing the real world performance vs the theory. I’ll see if I can round up something in 762x39 to test so stay tuned!
@@MountainsMulletsMerica The Russians use a 15 meter or about 16.5yd battle zero for 7.62X39 with a 20in barrel "SKS," although I have no idea how it would change with a shorter AK. I have found it works very close to the 36yd for 5.56, at least with a red dot on said SKS. I would like to see this test as well.
@@phlashtheband4939 that's pretty wild. Crazy to think something as close at 16ish yds would be combat effective. Just differences in caliber/ rifle configuration I guess.
@@MountainsMulletsMerica I guess the reason it works is the rear open sight is a graduating slider so 15 meters gets them out to the first number which I believe is 200 then they just slide up to reach out further, although in my experience 200 is a stretch for 7.62X39 anyway lol. It would be cool to find out how it plays out with open sights, as mine had them removed when I got it years ago. I did set it up for15 meters with the red dot and it works fine where I live "thick woods and bushy" but out to 150yd it will do. Have a great day, been nice chatting with ya.
@@phlashtheband4939 sounds like the theory of 15 yds would make sense. Like you say though, beyond 200 yds with open sights and you’re really pushing the boundaries of the 762x39 round. Anyway good catching up with you, hope to meet again in future content!
Yes, stay tuned. This video has received a ton of attention with a lot of requests for me to revisit in future content. Hoping to follow up with different calibers barrel lengths, bullet weights and optic heights.
@@MountainsMulletsMerica yes, revisit with 308 & 6.5 creed later, but I think the next logical steps are 13.7" barrel 5.56 (42 yard zero as well, and maybe test some 70/77gr black hills/IMI/barnes & as well as 40gr fiocchi. 223 varmint, 3600fps) and then 10.5" & 16" 300 blackout after that. Finish off 5.56 then move to 300 blk, then on to ar10.... this will be a very fun series, especially once you get into the heavy or super fast loads at 300yds.
@@RichardCranium321 I think it’s going to be fun to make and it’ll be interesting to watch. Seems like a lot of time folks focus on the theory so it’ll be fun to provide real world data for various setups so folks can reference when making their own decisions.
Great prevention. That was going to be my question too so I’m glad I read through some more comments. I was curious how this would change with grain size on 5.56, other calibers and also barrel length. Can’t wait to keep watching and learning.
With all the technology advances in optics today most people have never heard of such a thing. In the hunting world i call it max point blank range. I uave been using this method for years while deer hunting. I use the 25 yard method with duplex style scopes. A deer has and vital area about 10in to 12in so your max point blank range . Is t GG e distance that the bullet is 5in to 6in below point of aim when holding center mass. I real do my best to keep shots inside that 300 yards but hunting has no rules for when and where the deer will show up. I put all my hunting rifles on paper out to 600 yards just to have the data. But the last few years i have picked up a few vortex optics that i now zero at 100 yards. Then i put them on paper buy using the mill dots for hold overs. Great video and good look calling out the 25yard zero point of impact at 200 yards. I know guys who have gotten excited and shot over deer at 200 yards thinking they had to hold high. Hunting the thickets and strip mines and clear cuts of west Virginia may give you a big buck at a few feey in a thicket or 300 yards sneaking through and clear cut. Spent my early days hunting and old strip mine where you could see for a pretty good distance. My 270win and 300win mag are in the safe right now with there 25yard zero. And some of these new cartridges like the 6.5nosler can have a max point blank range of 400 yards with the right zero.
Great video, thanks man. I zeroed my AR at the 25 yard line with the help of the RO at my local range. Then I did it again at the 100 yard line. I can consistently hit an 8 inch target at 100 yards with my AR set up with red dot and 3x magnifier. Nothing fancy but it works for me for home defense.
Haha I don't know about a national treasure but I really appreciate the support! I've actually got a 308 battle zero video dropping tomorrow that I hope you'll stick around to check out! Let me know if you run across any topics you think would make for a great video.
Great process and great video. Thanks for taking the time to make the video and explain it clearly and succinctly without all the jibber jabber other videos have.
I really appreciate the ~$100 ammo dump you did to bring us this real-time zero demonstration. I usually ran a 25yrd zero just because I had better access to indoor ranges but I think I like the 36yrd better so I will take your advice and drop my zero 1/4 at 25yrds to get better confidence out to 300. Great job, did not feel any wasted time watching this video. I just subscribed.
I can't trust anything you say.
You're not wearing body armor.
You're not rocking a oak ridge boys style beard.
You're not dropping F bombs every third word.
And finally, You're not using a 8 grand rig with every attachment know to mankind.
Nope, not trust worthy.
Keep up the work, new sub here.
Dude this cracks me up! I’m just a pretty normal guy out here trying to make entertaining content for CZcams. So far I’m having a blast doing it and viewers seem to really enjoy what I’ve been putting out. Appreciate you taking the time to watch and hope you’ll stay tuned as I’ve got so many great video ideas in the works!
You forgot to include the mullet which changes this conclusion drastically, imo
😂
Completely untrustworthy
I’ve watched many videos on this topic and understand it completely. But this was by far the best example. You put a lot of work in all your videos thank you.
Appreciate it! Certainly there are a ton of videos available on each of the videos but I felt like my niche was a real world side by side compare of each zero. Really I just had a ton of fun making this one haha
This is a great video. Very well done. Thank you for your effort.
Yes this is the most comprehensive video on the subject. Most videos just tell you what to zero at but don't actually show the differences.
You’re the man bro I love my AR-15 This video was awesome. I’ve only shot a couple of times at 150 but the next time I go I’m trying to shoot 300 yards once again great video my brother keep up the great work.💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾
Didn't watch. 25.
I like the “lets do it and see what happens attitude”. It’s much better than the usual “you’re doing it wrong.”
Fantastic video demonstration! Everybody please remember this is a 14.5" barrel, 55gr ball M193, with a suppressor. Your miles will vary with say a 10.3", suppressed, mk262 (77gr OTM), or maybe you have a 16", unsuppressed, with 62gr M855 green tips. All of this matters when setting your zero!!! Ammo and suppressed/unsuppressed will change your POA/POI if you zero for one specific thing and then switch something about your setup! Just something to be aware of guys.
I've always preferred the 36yd zero. This was a great explanation of the differences.
You know I've always been a 50yd zero fan however after running each of these side by side I'm thinking I'll swap over to the 36yd zero. Really don't see many downsides to this one and like how it performs out to 300 yds. Thanks for watching!
I suspect a lot of people do the 25 or 50 because most public ranges are already set up with targets at those distances.
You have to confirm the zero you’re using with your rifle and ammo combination. It’s going to potentially look a lot different if you’re using 50 grain varmint bullets v. 77 grain SMKs.
@@phild9813and also the height of your scope on your rifle.
@@brandonrupp5880 czcams.com/video/jttB1kUXfJE/video.html This video has a link to print out a target for 36 yard zero for 25 yard ranges.
Been an advocate of a 36 yard zero ever since I saw Shawn Ryan do a video a few years back.
Since 2010 when I was in Afghanistan we had to verify our zero because we were gonna be at a higher altitude than normal. We had one of the Greeneye guys that does things at night with us and he showed us the 36 yard zero and that's what I have used since then. Great video
We used 36 for qual, and I think Iraq, but once we got to Afghanistan we qual’ed with 100, but we were in Helmand closer to sea level.
I am an 82nd Airborne Veteran and fought in Afghanistan in 2012. I am now gonna re-zero my 2A at 36yards. Thanks Brother. 🇺🇸
Green eye guys that does things at night? The Riddler has an AR!
36yards here, with that I use handloads / duplicate mk262 mod0 and mod1 rounds
I was there in 2010 with 2scr if I recall correctly we zero at 50yrds
After years of CZcams videos, this is by far the very best video demonstration on zeroing an AR. No background music, no I.Q. dropping profanity… just real world, well-explained data. THANK YOU!! Awesome job!
Dude I started using 36y and it’s just been great, Shawn Ryan’s video was the reason I heard about it , then I saw Travis Haley talk about it , so I decided ti try the zero out and have totally loved it because of the almost mindless snap up and shoot center and hit targets out to 300 easy with just a dead center aiming at steel
Same here, I first learned about the 36yd zero from Shawn Ryan’s video. That said however I was running the 50yd zero at the time and didn’t believe the hype. Long story short….. after shooting each of these side by side for this video I’ve decided I’ll be swapping to the 36yd zero. Really like how it performed out to 300 yds. Thanks for watching!
@@MountainsMulletsMerica dude that was a great video , awesome gun , looking forward to looking at your content !
@@mauriciodeleon8881 Thank you!
I just got done saying the same thing about the 36 yard zero...Shawn Ryan!
Me too. Started using the 36 yd zero for my RDS and irons after Shawn Ryan's video a few years ago. The illustration of the impact spread for each zero from 25-300 sold me.
This has got be one of the best zero breakdown videos on CZcams. Great job man, you absolutely nailed it.
My takeaway from this , no matter the zero , you can hit close enough to center mass to be effective at least to 200 yards.
Great work man !
To at least 200 yards before having to aim a little high*
This channel is probably the best real-world-shooting educational channel on CZcams. Simply spoken and thorough. Good job brother!
Thank you! Really appreciate you taking the time to watch. I just finished up a 30 battle zero video that I hope to get launched in early may. Hope you’ll stick around and check it out!
@@MountainsMulletsMerica I really appreciate you taking the time to make such in-depth videos that aid in my training. It doesn’t go unnoticed!
Best presentation on this subject I've seen and I am coming into this as someone who already understands the topic quite well and have experimented with it myself. That said, I don't think I can recall a video with good quality video that showed each of these zeros at the various different common shooting distances. Thanks dude.
Thank you! My goal here was to create an entertaining video but show exactly how each of these stack up side by side. Hope that’s the message that gets portrayed to the viewer. Really appreciate you taking the time to watch!
I can not thank you enough for putting in the time and effort to make this video. I have watched many videos where people go over zeroing theory, but you actually put in the work. I am now a subscriber.
Appreciate you taking the time to watch and support the channel! Theory is great but there is just something cool about gathering real world data to evaluate how the theory actually performs. I've had a ton of comments asking me to revisit this with different calibers, bullet weights, barrel lengths and optic heights so stay tuned for more content in 2023!
I just found your channel, too, and subbed. Great video, I want to see some other weights and barrel lengths as well.
The absolute best zero video I've seen. Showing results in real time, what a thought.
This video was outstanding. Minimal fluff, and mostly showing bullet rise and drop in action at all the popular "zeros". Thank you for taking the time!
Vet here, 30 years since setting zero on an ar. Awesome video with clear and understandable explanations and demonstration. This is exactly what I needed to get back in to setting up a rifle. TYVM, liked and sub'd. This will be a permanent reference in my toolkit as I explore optics and uses.
Right there with you bro! This guy is good and I appreciate his plain talk.
Mad respect for all of the work this took to do. Also, great shooting on all your groups! People really underestimate the consistency and stamina it takes to do all this.
Appreciate you taking the time to watch! Sure this is a bit of “work” but a tough day out on the range beats a great day in an office haha
Bro, I’ve read and watched so many videos about this topic. This was BY FAR the best and most informative one. Simple and to the point with real world results. Thank you and nicely done!
Hands down the best video on this topic. Showing all of their performance side by side is awesome. Thank you for this.
Absolutely one of the best videos I’ve ever watched on combat zero. The application of reality vs theory really brings everything home. Great job!!!
Thank you! I had a blast putting this one together. Always fun to see how real world performance lines up with the theory. Thanks for watching!
Agree! Not teories and BS , practical aplications of teories, ...verry nice!
Great video. Looks like the 36 yard zero is the way to go for meaningful hits - 5 inch radius spread give or take - out to 300 yards when the optic set up is red dot or red dot + magnifier. With a LPVO set up the 100 yard makes sense too, as you will rely on your BDC for offsets.
Yep, 100% agree with you. If you’ve got a bdc then for sure zero that as instructed. If not and you’ve got something like a dot I believe the 36yd zero is a great option for shooting out to and slightly beyond 300 yds.
This right here is what I needed. Great visual explanation!! Thanks Dude, that 36 and 50 yard are looking the best!
Dude, thank you SO much. Fairly new gun owner here who is a dad just wanting to protect family life, limb, and property. Running a mid-level AR with 556 ammo and a 9mm PCC both 16 inch barrels and standard red dots on both and I’ve only had 25 yards to work with over the last 4-5 months shooting regularly. I noticed I would have my zero at 10, then lose it a bit at 15 - 25 and I wasn’t quite understanding how I should be approaching the zero thing. I thought I must have been missing something, but your video just confirmed my suspicions and most importantly WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT!
I’m not looking to win any Olympic shooting competitions any time soon, but if I’m going to have these weapons I want to be deadly and affective with them. Thank you so much man for taking the time to create this video
This was the best actual demonstration of zero ranges I've seen yet. Thanks for making it and sharing. I'm running a red dot with a 50yd zero but I'm getting ready to sight in a new AR with a LPVO. This is extremely helpful. Kudos 👏
I'm not going to read through 2500 comments, but I can already hear the, What bullet, What velocity, What twist rate, What was your position in terms of sea level, comments in my head.
This "real world" (as you said) approach is probably one of the best videos I've seen here. And you were actually man enough to shoot paper and not simply "ring steel" and call a hit good.
Kudos to you.
Oh wait. Did I miss all the in video pimping for sponsors?
Man! I love this channel. Old school for sure. Just a guy enjoying what he's doing and presenting it to others.
Dude you’re a godsend😂 so many videos on this stuff and I’m a quick learner but I swear everything was in one ear out the other until your video!
Good to have found this as I'm about to purchase my first AR. I like the 36 and 50 yard zeros. You did a good job showing the results. Subscribed!
Thank you for taking the time to put this together with such quality. I think I'll stick with the 50-200 with my 10.5 because it is not super effective past that anyway.
Yep, ultimately I think zero choice is dependent on rifle and intended application. If max distance is 200ish yds then the 50yd zero is a great choice. Thanks for watching!
@@MountainsMulletsMerica I have a 16” rifle built as a GPR with lvpo and bipod. I had a 36 yard zero it was great! but I only shot it out too 100yards. But I do want a 25-700 yard rifle so would 36 even be the same past 300? Yards
These zeros are all viable and each has their attributes. You put them all on display. Very good content, brother.
This was by far one of the most well thought out and executed videos on the theory of zeroing. Being former LE I like the 36 yard zero. It is effective in real world scenarios of enhanced battle tactics. You can go from close quarter and clearing buildings to longer range open LOS active shooter situations. BTW, love your property. Great place to explore your carbine capabilities.
I have been a fan of, and running, the 36 yd (33M) zero on two of my AR’s for a while (thanks to a video Shawn Ryan made a while back), but it is nice to see someone else walk us through the “why”. Well done on the props and explanation. 👍👍
Appreciate you taking the time to watch and support the channel! The Shawn Ryan video from a couple years back is where I first learned about the 36yd zero but it’s taken me seeing these side by side to decide to actually give it a try. Really don’t see a downside.
12yd≈11m is easy to remember,
11m-12y=2.72cm(x3=8.16cm off at 36yd or 33m)
35yd≈32m is a bit harder, but much better
35yd-32m=0.4cm
The best approximation in average AR-15 ranges is
257yd≈235m, 257yd-235m=0.08cm
The best under 1000m is
908m≈993yd, 908m-993yd=0.08 cm as well but is a closer ratio with the longer distances.
Yes I am a nerd, maybe someone will care. I'm debating between the 64m≈70yd and the 235m≈257yd zero. I am still practicing grouping at any decent distance so I suppose the former first, and once I am comfortable with that (and learn the holdovers, point blank radius, point blank range) Then as I improve see what I think of the more traditional ≈250 far zero trajectory. At least learn it, but it will clearly have a larger point blank radius, but also a further point blank range, with probable intermediate hold unders. Idk, we will see which oath I choose.
great video. I learned about the 36 yard zero in theory. Great to see an actual display of the differences in zeros.
Best zeroing video out there and I've watched a bunch
man, this was most helpful understanding different zero distances the way you explained very well thought out and executed! Big Props to you
You're the first I've seen to do this from A-Z and keep it real. Your methods, rifle and ammo work well. Good job!
Thank you! Had a ton of fun making this one! Ultimately my goal here was to see how real world performance matches up with theory. Seems like this is constantly a topic of conversation so hopefully this video can be a reference point for folks trying to decide which zero makes the most sense for them. Appreciate you taking the time to watch!
Great demonstration of the different zero options. A lot of people talk about it but I have not seen anyone take the time to zero the rifle every time and actually shoot them all like this. Appreciate your time putting this video together for us!
This is always interesting because it’s a very nuanced topic but people assume there is only one way to do it. It all depends on your optics reticle. Some optics a 36/300 yard zero is optimal, others, 50/200 yard zero is ideal. For scopes with a bdc reticle a 100 yard zero may be mandatory for the bdc to work. A scope with subtensions in MIL/MOA the best option is to zero at 200 yards and setup a dope chart for 300, 400, 500, and 600 yards.
It all depends on your optic and reticle.
Great video! Concise and clear presentation. Best on YT in my opinion. I'm sticking with 50.
This was an excellent demonstration. I’ve been running the 36 yard zero for a while and I feel pretty confident that I made the right choice.
After running each of these side by side for this video, i tend to agree with you. I'm planning to swap over from my current 50yd zero to a 36yd zero as a result of this test haha
My range has 25, 50, 75, 100 and 200. I always zeroed at 100 and had great experience, but have not yet moved on to the 200 yard (or backwards or that matter haha)...Loved the explanation and being able to see the results through practice not just theory. Keep up the great work! going to send some lead down some of the other distances after watching this.
I started running a 36 yard zero after watching Shawn Ryan explain why he used it claiming that from 25 -300 yards the impacts would be within a 5 inch circle which would be very much minute of man. I could only shoot to ,200 yards at my gun club here in southwest Pennsylvania. Great video. Found your channel thanks to Texas plinking.
Every now and then you come across a channel that will change everything. How you do not have 1MIL followers is beyond me. By far the best channel to understand shooting. Thank You Sir for all the work.
Appreciate the compliments and support! The channel is seeing consistent and solid growth which I’m very thankful for. Lots of exciting new content coming so hope you’ll stay tuned and share word about the channel when you can!
Underrated video especially for people who are new to rifles or just want a better overall understanding 🤘🏴☠️ great job
The advantage of the 25 and 36 yard zero is fast action hits at varied ranges out to about 400 yards. Great video.
One of the best videos out there I’ve seen in this topic. Great work man!
Me over here thinking I have to dump a crap ton of ammo at the range just to zero my rifle. But this video has shown me that I can reliably bore sight my rifle inside my house and then fine tune it to zero with only a handful of bullets at the range!! Hell yeah!! Seeing the real world results of each zero at each range really makes me want to try running the 25 yard zero. I can get tight groupings through the distance that most engagements would take place, but it also allows me to push out to distance if the need arises. This has been one of the most helpful videos I have come across in a while. Most videos just give you the theory portion of ballistics but don't actually go through the process of showing each and every one in real world performance. Thank you for this video!! This is the first of your videos I have ever seen and I just subscribed to your channel because of it!!
By far one of the best videos on this topic. Thanks for the work you put into this! It would be interesting to see how barrel length effects poa/ poi at various zeros.
Very thorough and illustrative demonstration. Thank you!
The 36 yd. zero seems to be the best "battle zero" choice. Center mass hold out to 300 yards. The 25 yard zero also works great.
Shooters should be aware that if the scope's line of sight is slightly higher than iron sights, results could vary, but probably not enough to make a difference for a "battle zero".
36 yards out to 300 is the best but what is the hold over from 400-600 that’s what I’d like to see
@@2Ajosh That's what the BDC in the rear sight is for. In theory, anyway. That's where you "dial up" using the elevation wheel, up to 600 on the carbine/detachable carry handle sight and 800 on the A2 rifle sight
Thank you for the hard work on this vid 🙌🏻 Excellent to see them shot side by side. Well done. And this reinforces the 36 yard zero. Especially since I can zero it with an adjusted target at a 25 yard indoor range.
Best representation on how different zeros work! I’ve watched a lot, looks like I’ll be doing the 36yd zero. It’s made the most sense for my setup ever since looking into zeros and this video nails it down!
Man awesome to be able to see these theories in practice! Definitely going to be handy knowledge to keep in mind before dialing in that next optic!
Theory is cool but real world performance is what matters! Super fun to be able to run these side by side and see exactly how they compare!
I have gotten into AR shooting a lot more recently. Out of the videos I’ve watched this has been the most informative.
Thanks for spending all the time to bring us this content!
I’ve been a fan of the 36 yd zero ever since I saw Shawn Ryan’s video on it. This video not only supports everything stated in his, but also defines the differences extremely well. Will be showing this vid to others. Nice work. 👍🏻
Yep the Shawn Ryan video does a great job of explaining the theory. My hope with this one is to provide some real world data for each zero. Always cool to see how the real world performance matches up with the theory. Thank you for the support!
Travis Haley czcams.com/video/DFbpjNh4DBA/video.html
Very useful video. Really opened my eyes to the zero choices.
This was wonderfully done, thanks so much! I've been wanting to explore the 36 yd zero, and after watching this I definitely will. I really appreciate your clear and thorough approach, cheers!
I really enjoy your videos!
The .308 video you produced really helped me decide on what zero to choose!
You have saved everyone a ton of ammo and time!
Thanks for all that you do!
Great video! Have been a fan of the 36-yard zero for some time. First heard it championed by Travis Haley years ago. Appreciate the effort you put into this.
Best video I’ve seen yet on this subject. You give all the information necessary without a lot of technical data most people don’t need.
This is the best video I’ve seen to completely understand this. Awesome comparison.
Thank you! I had a blast making this one. Always fun to go out and put “theory” to the test vs real world performance. I’m hoping to revisit this concept in future content so hope you’ll stay tuned!
You did an outstanding job of explaining theory vs. real world. As many of the other commenters stated, I already understood this but have never seen it presented so well as you've done. The 36 yard zero is my preferred zero. For whatever reason the 36 yard zero isn't talked about enough. I learned it from Sean Ryan (Vigilance Elite) back when he did this type of content. Also I subscribed to your channel and hope you keep putting out quality content.
Shawn Ryan’s video is where I first heard of the 36yd zero as well. That said though I didn’t believe the hype and continued running the 50 yd zero. After running each of these side by side though I’m planning to swap from 50 to 36, really can’t see any major drawbacks with this swap. Appreciate you taking the time to watch and support the channel!
As someone just getting into shooting, this is really valuable information. It was useful to see the general principle of the bullet's flight along with actual examples for various zeros. Thanks for a great video and breakdown.
Glad you enjoyed it! I actually just finished filming a 308 version of this which I hope to get out in early May. Hope you’ll stick around and check it out!
This video deserves a lot more views. I've never seen anyone put together such a comprehensive lesson on the different points of impact at so many different yardages.
This video should be pinned by CZcams admins themselves so it pops up on everyones screen. Fkn awesome. Well thought out and explained. The patience to do this for us! Thank you!💪🏼
By the way, I run the 36yd zero on my rifles. Works for me. Again, superb video. SUBBED!
Appreciate the support! Just out here trying to create entertaining yet valuable content. I’ve got a 308 battle zero video dropping in a couple hours so hope you’ll stay tuned and check it out…. Lots of big things in the works so share with your buddies!
@@MountainsMulletsMerica thanks, man. Will do!
Thanks for putting out really good information on the question everyone asks! I've used the 36 yard zero for almost a couple years now, moving from the 50. I'm not a precision shooter and my carbine is built for real world defensive encounters, so I like that my POA/POI is really close without worrying about different holds at any distance under 300.
You know I’ve run the 50/200 for years however after making this video and running things side by side I’m thinking I’ll transition to the 36yd zero. Really don’t see a downside to it.
I think the issues arise at the 150, 200, and 250 marks. Being a bit high over the target and forcing shooters to think "do I shoot high or low in this situation?"
@@woodsghost9088 impact at those distances should fall somewhere within 4 inches high of point of aim. Adjusting poa to slightly lower should compensate for that, but I believe the idea was to have a zero that would allow effective hits from 25 to 300, all impacting within approx. 6 inches without changing poa.
Thanks.
Reid Heinrich has argued that experience shows humans adjust to uncertain situations and make hits better when using the 100y zero because it is more intuitive. Which you may not be one of those "typical" humans.
I'm about to goof around with M193 with 2 rifles zeroed at 50 and 100 and see what I think of performance at 150 and 200, and maybe 250. I'll stick with whatever I like better.
I have been getting issues when shooting deer. With maybe 12 inches of impact zone (height wise) and maybe 6-8 inches of actual usable target zone due to the need for hitting 2 lungs (gotta hit the visible portion of the critter and get the round out the other side while hitting important stuff and missing the guts).
For me this has translated into a questioning of logic on defensive guns used at 150/200/250/300. In short, Reid identified the issue of struggling through high/low bullet trajectory under stress causing misses and I think I have experienced that with deer. And looking at using a rifle defensively at longer range, do I expect to be hitting targets with a full 12 inches of exposed impact area? No I don't. I expect maybe 6 inches of exposed target area and maybe less. Based on previous target behavior. Defensive use of weapons means a highly dynamic situation with limited target exposure for limited time windows. Or "a squirrely furball of chaos." So if one is aiming at the smaller target there is greater risk of the round missing because it is over or under the target (likely over).
So I'm edging towards a simpler zero with less to know or figure out when dealing with a 6 inch target at extended range. (If it's over 150y, aim a little high, and learn the holdovers).
I'm not saying you have to change what you do. I'm just sharing what has gone through my head based on my experiences and listening to some other more experienced people.
I haven't yet settled on what I'm going to do. But at least now you know some of the real world issues I have been dealing with and trying to resolve with the right zero.
Its quite interesting understanding the purpose of these various zeros and their context. We are talking about combat hits, as opposed to precision accuracy. You would be using something mil based on a DMR or PR gun and then probably something in a different caliber.
Good, thorough work there. Appreciate the effort you put into this video.
I’m a relative new shooter, well, hadn’t picked up a firearm in over 30 something years.
Wanted to get back to shooting and have learned so much just in the last two years from channels like yours. Keep up the content and you really present stuff well. Thanks!!
Really appreciate you taking the time to watch and support! My plan is to keep putting out content like this so stay tuned!
This is a great video you don't spend 15 minutes talking you get right to the point.
Thank you! Really appreciate you taking the time to watch! Just out here trying to create entertaining content that provides some kind of value to the viewer. You won’t find anything over the top here haha
Thank you for taking the time to make this video! I have watched many others you have made and always enjoy the content! Based on this review of the different zeros, I have changed from a 100 yrd zero to the 36 yrd zero! I think your content is true and can be trusted!
The thing I like about 50-200 for me is everything is very tight to 200 . Then as you get further out you need to aim high . My instinct naturally corrects for that . However it’s odd for me to hold low inside of 200 that the 36 yard calls for . But like you said it’s worth exploring .
Certainly a bit off to have to hold low but the intended purpose is to be able to rapidly engage “generous” targets. Rather than thinking about holding low with the 36 yd zero, I just think about trying to hold center and trust the ballistics will do their job and allow me to connect on something like a torso. For sure give it a try if you haven’t before. Thanks for watching!
From my point, 50-200 is better. I don't like the idea that I'm little bit zeroed and then I need to correct and then again I'm ok. If we're talking about battle zero, my point is that level of stress is inversely proportional of distance to threat so until 200, you don't have to worry about anything, put a crosshair in the middle of center of the mass and pull the trigger.
Above 200, you have some time to use your reticle.
36 yard zero would be better for iron sights because it gives you more controlled distance but with some scope and reticle to calculate the drop, 50-200 is better.
I'm loving the 50-200 yard as well. I think it's a great compromise for an Unmagnified optic like a red dot
Man am I glad I came across your channel! This is very helpful content! I greatly appreciate the time you put into this to educate people! God Bless.
Thank you! Really appreciate you taking the time to watch and support the channel. Always fun to see how real world performance matches up to theory. Hoping to put out more videos on this concept so stay tuned!
I routinely see videos with comments claiming it was "the best," or "most thoroughly explained," or "different than every other" video on YT that is doing exact the same thing.
I often wonder if it's all bots or if I'm broken because I usually find nothing innovative or worthwhile in most of them as compared to the others.
Of course, I am not the arbiter of what constitutes quality on the internet, but I think the comments for your video here are spot on. Exactly what one would like to see regarding theory vs application. Well done, sir.
Awesome, really appreciate you taking the time to watch. Like you I’ve watched tons of gun related content on CZcams through the years and as a result I think I’ve identified ways to make my channel unique and valuable to viewers. Hope you stay tuned as I’ve got so much planned for 2023 and my goal is for every video to be entertaining but provide viewers with some kind of valuable takeaways!
Using very simple to understand labels, targets, and language, You have done a far better job of making "zero" easier to understand to novice shooters like me. Thank you so much for spending the time and brass to make this video. I will be sharing.
Really appreciate you taking the time to watch and support the channel! Im just a normal guy so my goal is to create content that other folks like me can identify with. Planning more content like this so hope you’ll stay tuned!
Right on man...also....Sweet stash@@MountainsMulletsMerica
@@grandfinalchapter2681 haha thank you!
To say that this test was extremely well done would be a huge understatement. Fantastic Content - Thanks for sharing.
What would be interesting to see is how you can use your reticle to compensate for each of the difference distances for one of the zero settings versus dialing in the target with the turrets.
Thank you, appreciate you taking the time to watch! Stay tuned for future content. I’ve had a lot of really great ideas like yours come up in the comments of this one. Will for sure revisit this topic in 2023 content!
Thank you, Your experience is similar to mine. It reaffirms my decision to stick with the 50/200 yds zero. I have very little plans to shoot past 200 and if I have to and know they are farther than that an upper chest hold will do the trick out to 300+. My front sight post covers the whole head at that range anyways. Good video
Can’t argue with you here. I’ve been a 50 yd fan for years. Like you say it’s unlikely a fighting carbine will be used much last 200-300 yds so the tight trajectory the 50/200 yd zero provides is nice. Thanks for watching!
Makes sense but I think a SHTF battle rifle would be best @ 35. Plus minus 3” from point blank to threat is a safer bet.. as with all tho, know what ya run and it will be the best on for ya:)
This video was Awesome and tremendous help! Thank you for your hard wk in making this video. I guarantee this helped out many people on making up their decision on how far to zero in.
You killed it ....
great content! without all the "off the point" babble. really like your format style.
Your video content is always top notch, the way you deliver your Information sets you apart from others and really sets the bar in my opinion. Thank you for the awesome videos. Happy Holidays !
Really appreciate that! Just trying to keep things simple and to the point so hopefully that's the way the messaging comes across in each of my videos. Stay tuned for more!
Great video! Probably the best I've seen on this topic. I use the 100 yard zero for my rifles. The bullet never going over the point of aim at any distance works well for me. I rarely shoot an AR over 200 yards, so the drop at distance isn't a big concern for me.
Oh man, sounds like the 100yd zero is perfect for you. Really easy to hold over for a couple inches of drop out at 200yds if needed, and like you say with the 100yd zero you don't have to worry about the bullet ever climbing above your point of aim. Thanks for watching!
The range where I can shoot regularly only runs out to 200. I run ACSS reticles that have a bit of ranging, BDC and windage holds in them. I agree 200 is likely the longest shot we'd most likely take. I feel confident the math in that reticle would let me stretch out to 500 which is probably the limits of 5.56.
Excellent instruction here. The real world demonstration is spot on perfect. Thanks you!!
I run a 25, just cause that's what I was taught way back when. Thanks great job on this.
Another interesting test would be this exact test using a red dot with a tall riser + magnifier combo like the unity 2.26” vs co witness height. Having a taller height over bore theoretically makes the poi between the two zero’s even higher. Which is why I’d chose a 50yd zero over 36yd in this circumstance
Oh man stay tuned. I’ve had a ton of comments on how optic height would change the results. Hoping to test bullet weight, barrel length and optic height in a future video. Just have to acquire all of the variables needed to properly test. Thanks for watching!
I had the same question, I run unity fast mounts and the ftc with a magnifier. I've only found one video and talked with a guy and he said to use a 57 yard zero for the difference. I've never had the places to stretch it out to confirm but I know at 25 yards I believe its 1.8 inches low.
I'm not sure of the etiquette of linking to another YT Channel, but there is a guy (Delta 34) who has a fantastic series on Zeroing re Distance and Height Over Bore. Here are the Links to his Zero / HOB videos: czcams.com/video/HFE-wj7sOs0/video.html and czcams.com/video/9qkKJyMtpVI/video.html Check them out. I think Mountains-Mullets will be OK with it. MMM and Delta 34 do the absolute best videos for hands-on learning. I have learned so much watching MMM and Delta 34.
I’ve been looking for a .308 video with the same in depth explanation to the trajectory. Thanks for the knowledge
You know maybe I'll put a 308 zero/ trajectory video on the to do list as it would be pretty fun to make and currently there isn't a ton of 308 content available on this topic. Stay tuned!
@@MountainsMulletsMerica That would be awesome. Looking forward to it.
308 is pretty close too 5.56 esp. with heavy [75] gr bullets in 5.56 & 150's in 08.
MMM, This is the most intuitive teaching video on zeros that I've seen to date. Good on ya! When on active duty, we were encouraged to use a 25 yd zero. After working for a short time with some SOF bubbas I changed over to a 36 yd/meter zero for the very reason you illustrated. Less holdover/under math to keep track of when I'm busy with other shit.
I've been researching this subject for a while now and have zeroed my ARs at 50 yards. Now that I've watched this, I'm going to re-zero them to 36 yards, lol. Great video, you did a lot of work!!! I'm definitely going to subscribe
USMC BZO at 36yards
Oh man this is great….. I’ve been a 50 yd zero fan for years. After running each of these zeros side by side however I decided to swap over to the 36 yd zero. Been running that for several months now on my “fighting ar”….. haven’t looked back since. A great option if you ask me!
Great video! 👍I use the 50 yd zero because it's more real world for me. Your results match mine. You did a great job explaining this.
Thank you! I appreciate you taking the time to watch. I’ve been a 50yd zero fan for years. Hard to beat how well it performs out to and slightly beyond 200 yds.
would love to see this again with a 7.62 x 39 upper. Just curious! especially the 25 yard zero vs 36 yard zero.
You know 762x39 is one I haven’t thought of yet. I’m planning to revisit this topic in future content as it seems like folks really like seeing the real world performance vs the theory. I’ll see if I can round up something in 762x39 to test so stay tuned!
@@MountainsMulletsMerica The Russians use a 15 meter or about 16.5yd battle zero for 7.62X39 with a 20in barrel "SKS," although I have no idea how it would change with a shorter AK. I have found it works very close to the 36yd for 5.56, at least with a red dot on said SKS. I would like to see this test as well.
@@phlashtheband4939 that's pretty wild. Crazy to think something as close at 16ish yds would be combat effective. Just differences in caliber/ rifle configuration I guess.
@@MountainsMulletsMerica I guess the reason it works is the rear open sight is a graduating slider so 15 meters gets them out to the first number which I believe is 200 then they just slide up to reach out further, although in my experience 200 is a stretch for 7.62X39 anyway lol. It would be cool to find out how it plays out with open sights, as mine had them removed when I got it years ago. I did set it up for15 meters with the red dot and it works fine where I live "thick woods and bushy" but out to 150yd it will do. Have a great day, been nice chatting with ya.
@@phlashtheband4939 sounds like the theory of 15 yds would make sense. Like you say though, beyond 200 yds with open sights and you’re really pushing the boundaries of the 762x39 round. Anyway good catching up with you, hope to meet again in future content!
This video did what no ome else does and straight up no bullshit showing what each zero is back to back for 556/223. Amazing.
Travis Haley posted a video a pretty good while back on the 36 yd zero, if you haven’t seen it, it’s very informative also. Great video my man
An old man says “thank you”.
Great video and I appreciate all of the work you put into it. Do you have any plans to do this with a .308?
Yes, stay tuned. This video has received a ton of attention with a lot of requests for me to revisit in future content. Hoping to follow up with different calibers barrel lengths, bullet weights and optic heights.
@@MountainsMulletsMerica yes, revisit with 308 & 6.5 creed later, but I think the next logical steps are 13.7" barrel 5.56 (42 yard zero as well, and maybe test some 70/77gr black hills/IMI/barnes & as well as 40gr fiocchi. 223 varmint, 3600fps) and then 10.5" & 16" 300 blackout after that. Finish off 5.56 then move to 300 blk, then on to ar10.... this will be a very fun series, especially once you get into the heavy or super fast loads at 300yds.
@@RichardCranium321 I think it’s going to be fun to make and it’ll be interesting to watch. Seems like a lot of time folks focus on the theory so it’ll be fun to provide real world data for various setups so folks can reference when making their own decisions.
Yes, please
Great prevention. That was going to be my question too so I’m glad I read through some more comments. I was curious how this would change with grain size on 5.56, other calibers and also barrel length. Can’t wait to keep watching and learning.
Thanks for this video. I have always used the 36 zero due to my range and because that’s what I was told. It’s nice to see why it actually works.
With all the technology advances in optics today most people have never heard of such a thing. In the hunting world i call it max point blank range. I uave been using this method for years while deer hunting. I use the 25 yard method with duplex style scopes. A deer has and vital area about 10in to 12in so your max point blank range . Is t GG e distance that the bullet is 5in to 6in below point of aim when holding center mass.
I real do my best to keep shots inside that 300 yards but hunting has no rules for when and where the deer will show up. I put all my hunting rifles on paper out to 600 yards just to have the data. But the last few years i have picked up a few vortex optics that i now zero at 100 yards. Then i put them on paper buy using the mill dots for hold overs. Great video and good look calling out the 25yard zero point of impact at 200 yards. I know guys who have gotten excited and shot over deer at 200 yards thinking they had to hold high. Hunting the thickets and strip mines and clear cuts of west Virginia may give you a big buck at a few feey in a thicket or 300 yards sneaking through and clear cut.
Spent my early days hunting and old strip mine where you could see for a pretty good distance.
My 270win and 300win mag are in the safe right now with there 25yard zero. And some of these new cartridges like the 6.5nosler can have a max point blank range of 400 yards with the right zero.
Great video, thanks man. I zeroed my AR at the 25 yard line with the help of the RO at my local range. Then I did it again at the 100 yard line. I can consistently hit an 8 inch target at 100 yards with my AR set up with red dot and 3x magnifier. Nothing fancy but it works for me for home defense.
This has to be the best explanation and demonstration I’ve ever seen. Great video.
You are a national treasure, sir! This is the best explanation on this topic I've ever come across! Mullet gang baby!
Haha I don't know about a national treasure but I really appreciate the support! I've actually got a 308 battle zero video dropping tomorrow that I hope you'll stick around to check out! Let me know if you run across any topics you think would make for a great video.
Excellent and very explicit video, easy to understand ballistic, thanks you!
Great process and great video. Thanks for taking the time to make the video and explain it clearly and succinctly without all the jibber jabber other videos have.
No one has ever explained it so simple and succinctly . Cheers!
I really appreciate the ~$100 ammo dump you did to bring us this real-time zero demonstration.
I usually ran a 25yrd zero just because I had better access to indoor ranges but I think I like the 36yrd better so I will take your advice and drop my zero 1/4 at 25yrds to get better confidence out to 300.
Great job, did not feel any wasted time watching this video. I just subscribed.
As a fellow man of the mullet I appreciate your ability to convey the concept of these different 0’s