Zuby, this is genuinely one of the most illuminating conversations on tribalism, race, belonging and identity I have seen on You tube. The more people that watch this the better. You have my gratitude.
The point Carl comes up with regarding the Orwell quote about lefties feeling better being caught stealing from the poor is extremely accurate. If you look at current left-wing policy and the effect it has on the working classes, the poorest in society, it is very literally stealing money from their pocket and preventing them ever being able to escape their position in life - social mobility always goes down massively when the welfare state expands.
Oh my days, are you kidding? It was the Tory free marketeers which shattered the native working class over 40 years ago. The mass immigration which came on top of that is another big business policy - that's why it's always record numbers under the Tories
Carl is bang on about the NHS being an international health service. I employ a bulgarian lady, she gave birth in a private hospital in Bulgaria and claimed it through the NHS. I can't fault her, I would do the same... but how can that be a thing.
Hearing about the NHS from a British friend is why I'm fiercely protective of our American health system, even though it definitely needs improvement. But last year I needed a quick doctor appointment and prescription for something which -- if treated quickly -- would be minor; but if delayed, wouldn't require hospitalization, because I've had it before. It was over a holiday weekend, and I was still able to get an appointment the very next day, and thus avoided having to be hospitalized. And my insurerance covered it, and they also saved money this way, because they only had to pay for the appointment and the prescription, no hospital needed. And I was back to normal health more quickly, too.
I'm an Egyptian living in Egypt, i had a good education and went to an international British school. I went to university in canada and it took me a while and a lot of effort and unlearning then relearning to become accustomed to life in canada and with Canadians. I agree completely with Carl, culture shifting needs to be expected from newcomers and heavy vetting its not a free for all and there is a legal process that is being undercut. Why not ask for quality newcomers? Why allow an over representatiom of men being most illegals to mess with the home demographics. This is not organic and is not good for cultural relations both inside and outside. This wont end well and it makes me anxious
My parents tell stories of their parents making great effort to integrate in the past from changing their names to trying to speak only English at home. As well forgetting any allegiance to their previous country. What's amazing in the modern Era it seems that sort of integrating behavior is not promoted by the government and even that community. The combination of the sheer volumes of people with low standards by the government ans the welfare state created this weird ghettoized canada we now live in
Wow. For years I bought into the liberal narrative about ukip and political parties like that. I was a liberal for the last twenty or so years but have been questioning stuff the last few years.After listening to Benjamin Carl speak over found a new political home.
First step is Admittance. You were the Problem and Had no Allegiance to Your People. Now You have Woken up to a conscious mind outside of Group/Herd Think, There is No Noddy Badge, so now You mustendeavour for the rest of Your Life in order to right Your Wrongs AGAINST Your Own. Otherwise You are just a Talker and Your opinion chabges with the seasons as You DON'T actually Stabd for anything.
You just have to tell yourself that you want to know the truth. This was a great interview because he discusses how cult mental processes block truth. Praying to the creator to help truth be shown is helpful, also. Check out #WalkAway
Good points raised here. Small personal observation of Swindon recently having grown up there. I walked through the town centre on Boxing day with my family and found the centre aside from the boarded up, rundown shops the demographic seen there were almost exclusively young middle eastern men who appeared to be doing nothing in particular. it felt alien. The bizarre thing is that while Swindon has never been a thrilling place to live it was never particularly poor. Solid, blue collar town that was by English standards friendly. It has a long history of accepting migrants (i speak particularly of Polish migrants that came after world war 2) . Earlier generations of migrants were hard working, polite and productive and integrated into the town. This isn't the case now and it shows. The neighbours in the centre that were once clean and now a mess you see visible signs of petty criminality. A glance at the crime statistics for the area reveals that there are trending problems in the town. Sadly this isn't unique to Swindon alone. Multiculturalism zealots need to own up and accept that this doctrine is a failure. Remarks in relation to Dubai are correct. People in the UAE genuinely do fear law and more importantly deportation. Also worth remembering here that people are unable to become true UAE citizens and there is no democracy and with that ethnic groups are not able to influence the politics in the region. The UAE do routinely suspend visas from specific countries. Interesting conversation. Many thanks.
Give over, it's for adolescents. They say the same thing over and over. And on economics where the people of the West are really being strangled, it's just the same old muh free markets which have got us into this mess
One way to frame the immigration situation is: "why are the elite importing a foreign servant class". I've used this line to normies and even ones who are pro immigration stop and think and tend to see my point.
It's not really about a servant class since the economic elite don't have much to do with them. The bank of England and the Treasury use mass immigration to set unemployment at about 7%. An oversupply of labour is the key to keeping working people on their toes and prevent wages from rising. It also keeps expanding the debt bubble and increases the consumer base. Since the 50s pretty much every trick has been tried to expand the supply of labour from feminism to deindustrialisation to mass immigration / refugees. It's really that simple - the bigger the supply, the lower the price. And the massively reduced power of organised labour also means that virtually all the productivity gains have gone to owners of capital also
@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp Indeed, the corpos use it to screw the supply and demand, and they pay a bunch of "But borders are racism and xenophobia" NPC midwits to keep it going.
@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rpThat's basically the capitalist reasoning on betraying their own people. Capitalist selfish greed and Marxist envious hate are why the West is on the decline. These enemies are clear to all, but the people lack the religious or nationalist unity to purge these two. As much propaganda had made people wary of religious or nationalist political dominance.
When an unsustainable and disproportionate number from any ethnic goup continues to grow without reasonable monitoring of the impact they may have on the existing communities, public services and societal cohesion within the towns, villages and cities and overtime begin to emerge as the majority in these areas then you will undoubtedly see blatant flagrances of the law being enforced inequitably. Especially when this new majority are a monolingually and homogeneous group of people that were *encouraged to thrive by consistent governments over decades due to indifference and nimbyism* of local, regional and national bureaucrats. Whenever you have an overwhelming high concentration of an ethnic group they will unconsciously act like they own the place by paying little or no regard to their anti-social and antithetical to Western societal behaviour. People are sick of the backward third world and Eastern European mindsets that migrate to living in a illiterate monolingual and homogeneous cultural ghetto of their own making. These ghetto's are a manifestation of the antethetical Western mindsets that comprise of the adults living within them because they frown upon intergration/assimilation. It is where you'll find a highest concentration of people with a particular faith and ethnicity. Its a mini third world backwater transplanted to a county or state in the developed world, a ethnic cultural gulag ghetto and with it comes are the adults anti-social sensibilities and mannerisms. Contempt by the majority ethnic group for law and order is rife in these monolingually and homogeneous gulag ghettos. From blocking pavements parking recklessly and irresponsbily to business owners, taxi's and customers conducting U-turns on a daily basis in highly congested high streets creating traffic jams and accidents. Enough is enough of these local council approved 'no go areas' where law and order isn't enforced because of the local authorities bias. Its high time for regional quota's of ethnic minorities and for local councils to enforce the law equally to all. This will prevent ghetto's from being established and reaching unsustainable proportions resulting into mini third world villages and towns. *We need an new minsterial role to manage this issue NOW* . No citizenship is given without decades of services in full employment and good behaviour and even if it is granted it can be revoked and you and your family sent back to the sh1thole from whence you came as well as all your savings, investments etc is used to pay the victims (or taxpayer if no crime was committed but behaviour is unacceptable or alarming as identified by the police etc). No more cultural ghettos and no more religious sites of any faith other than the national religion. Dont like it f off back to ancestral sh1thole. Alternatively you can do your VR temple worship at home along with the other sheeple. For where ever these cultural ghettos exist they bring with them their backward third world mindsets and prejudices too that are antithetical to Western freedom loving societies and peoples. This applies to all cultures and peoples that migrant to the West, more stringent reviews of their work behaviour and practices is needed over at least a decade or more to determine if their sensibilities and cultural norms are compatible for life in the West. With lifetime reviews over generations to ensure assimilation was successful prior to full citizenship being granted for this can be revoked any time. Because this is what must be done so *Britain* (the idea of it) can exist.
My questions is, so declining birth rates in the West is an issue, yea we all get that so (controlled and smartly selected) immigration is always needed to maintain economies & maintain positive GDPs (which looks good for whatever political party is in, therefore they use these stats to try and get reelected). What benefit is it to any country to allow unchecked immigration of people who have zero intention of working, or becoming a contributor to the host country's economy?????????????? In fact large % of these people hate the host country! We are seeing this suicidal uncheck immigration happening all over the West, UK, Europe, US even Australia has ridiculous immigration rates meanwhile there is a out of control housing and rental crisis down under, yet the Government continues, against the will of the taxpayer to bring in these unsustainable numbers of people. Why? What is going on with all of this? There is something far sinister happening to the West.
We are sitting at a crossroads where people have almost totally lost trust in society, in our institutions, and our peers. That's why it is so important to inform, report, debate, and persuade others right now. The fight for the future is ongoing- keep fighting Zuby and Carl!!
Incentivize women to work in corporations instead of having families and low birthrates are the result. We have no idea how bad society may get, but its not looking good so far.
41:42 There were so many Germans in colonial America that German was very seriously considered in the discussion of what should be the "national language" - though if I recall correctly the US government never officially declared a "national language." It just kind of de facto became English.
haven't heard Carl talk for a few years now after 2020 came and I cut way back on culture and political media. He's gotten a lot better in some of his blind spots, and he was always articulate. Very impressed with his analysis and commentary in this whole thing.
i agree with Zuby on most things but i think he is wrong about how some people see black culture in america as more violent, because it is. they are less than 15% of the population but they commit over 51% of the homicides and 52% of the robberies according to FBI Data Table 43. its not racist to understand threat risks. logically someone would be in more risk of danger walking through some sketchy poor neighborhood in St Louis than they would in some poor Amish trailer park in Pennsylvania or Kentucky or wherever. culture matters and its not just an economic issue, because there are so many dirt poor cultures that are very peaceful.
Peak ‘The West’ was definitely 90’s, 00’s. In the mid 2010’s it started to became apparent things were in decline, and that decline has since accelerated to the point where all can see it.
Japan is being forced down the same dangerous path. The area my wife grew up in, When I first visited it about 15 year ago was entirely Japanese, A lot of old people, Very safe and very nice. Now its an Islamic ghetto with high crime, stabbings, rapes, gangs, hit and runs. For some insane reason people voted for a communist mayor and he starting bringing in Kurdish PKK (Communist terror group) members and they've been pushing for more and more of the relatives to flood in. Locals are miserable but the media only does puff pieces on "Vibrant diversity"
During Carl's response to Zuby's question around 28:00 I couldn't help but be reminded of Carl's "debate" with Thomas Smith from years ago. Smith said, "Freedom allows white men to control everything" to which Carl, quite aptly came to the conclusion that Thomas was a "white supremacist with a guilty conscious" Fascinating how apt that retort was.
@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp True. Fortunately, in the West everyone is free to acquire capital and leverage it to obtain more. Massive leaps upward on the socio-economic ladder require brilliance, risk, extreme dedication, luck, or maybe some combination of those. That said, there is no one born in the West that does not have the ability to ascend a rung or rwo on the scale through work and good decision making. Freedom has its costs, and no one is ever truly free. No man is an island. As for the history of land owners getting to vote, that's simply the idea that only those who support the system should be allowed to steer the direction it moves. In the early days, land owners were the ones paying the taxes, therefore they earned the vote. It is more complicated, yes, but that was the principle. Bastiat wrote about what happens when those that only drain the system are allowed to vote themselves more benefits. We're now seeing just how right he was.
40:40 Because the foreigners who live in the Middle Eastern countries aren’t running the government! The government is run by natives the way natives think it should be run. Things aren’t changed to suit the foreigners living in Qatar or the UAE, or whatever.
There's so much of value in this conversation. You two are wonderful and remarkable people. I really feel like I've learned a lot from both of you throughout the years and it is a joy to see you still come together as friends to talk about interesting things and have a laugh.
With regards to Dubai, the issue is still multiculturalism Zuby. The doctrine of multiculturalism states that no culture can be dominant or be considered better than any other - even the native culture. This is the thing that many people get wrong. Pluralism on the other hand, allows for multiple cultures, but with a dominant one, under which everyone follows the same rules and values. Dubai works because it follows pluralism, not multiculturalism. The west is failing because it is (under progressive liberalism), following multiculturalism and indeed going even further. In the last few decades, we have shifted from treating everyone equally under the law (native and immigrant alike), which is what you said happens in Dubai, to not only not attempting to integrate newcomers to the native culture, but actually treating them differently because their values and cultural norms are considered equally valid and to compensate for both real and imagined historical oppression. Having said that, this was a fantastic discussion and I wish it could have gone on much longer.
The multiculturaltopias Zuby is talking about are monarchies, are they not? Much harder to subvert than a liberal democracy which has no defense from being destroyed from within by its own tolerance.
Precisely, it is the antithesis of multiculturalism. Zuby's description of Abu Dhabi being "multicultural" doesn't hold water because the local culture is one of strict adherence to local law, customs and norms. Outsiders, despite being practitioners of different cultures, understand this and act in accordance to Abu Dhabi's ethos. If it were to allow the practice of different cultures and their respective "norms", then I wager it would be a very different place altogether.
Multiculturalism as in multiple cultures at the same place at the same time doesn’t work! One culture that sets and actually enforces the rules with people of different cultures living there does.
Multiculturalism has been a roaring success, done exactly as planned. Instead of integration and assimilation we have parallel societies which have conserved and maintained their culture and ideology. That is Multiculturalism as intended. It never meant assimilation and integration, that would be inter/intra-culturalism, thats what we used to do before Blair and Brown did their Multiculturalism experiment that we never asked for and didn't want. It is worth noting that when people point at Braverman etc and say 'look Multiculturalism is working' they are pointing at those who have ASSIMILATED and adopted our ways and cultural views, Braverman and Patel arent the products of Multiculturalism but integration. It amazes me how few are able to make this distinction. Our leaders and elites are not sharp, intellectual people, they are sycophantic brown-nosing yes-men. Or to put it differently: Multiculturalism is a novel political experiment which by nature creates parallel societies as it doesn't expect assimilation and integration, and demands that the culture of the host nation is destroyed and subverted lest we cause offence. Much of the speech restrictions are a result of Multiculturalism, a way to shut us up from saying what we see and think. Multiculturalism and diversity is not strength but a challenge at best. Multiculturalism is asymmetric in nature and the indigenous population are expected to do all the work of change to help new people feel comfortable. All other cultures must be preserved apart from the native ones. This is why cultural Marxists work so hard to destroy our history and invent myths about others, the idea is that native people won't even know what their culture is so they won't lament its passing. The 2 major drivers of civil war are religious/ethnic diversity and unstable governments. We were never asked and we can see where this is going.
It’s no mystery, it leads to the same result as every single heterogenous empire or state that has ever existed, fracture and balkanization exactly along heterogeneous lines. Inevitable. Pick a nice corner to concentrate in, I guess.
While you're right, have you ever asked yourself why it's seemingly only foreigners that get on the role of defending the natives? Braverman, Ramaswamy and others I don't remember.
You also know what helps a multicultural society flourish? Second class citizenship. There are the first class citizens. The ethnic people of the land, they are the stewards of the land and as such are above all other people in standing. They are allowed to vote. They benefit from the government structure. They get defended by the law from the other citizens. The second class citizens are the workers. They are hired by the stewards to perform tasks for them. They are there with a purpose. To earn large sums of money that they use to care for their family or better their standing in their home country. At no point are they ever acknowledged as more than workers. They are there temporarily until they can no longer work and will be made to go home unless they have the money to stay. Dubai works because there are the people of Dubai, and then there are all the other people.
Dubai 'works' because the Muslims are on top. Western 'multicultural' countries because they're full of mass-imported Muslims who are not on top, and whose mission it is to force the infidel into submission. No other group causes any sh1t.
Like the cockneys I too feel like I’m being exiled but not from London. From my own country. The Palestinian protests showed this. Regardless of your view on the foreign conflict the massive support for something happening half way across the world shows that Britain has been absorbed by immigrants. I have a family with 2 young children. My wife doesn’t want to move country. So what else can we do? My children will grow up not knowing our heritage, in my own country.
Return to your homeland. Work to improve it. Then maybe we can all start migrating there and degrading the society you help craft, overburdening your public infrastructure, draining benefits, committing crimes, and devaluing the labor of your countrymen until the standard of living starts regressing. Just being sensible doesn't mean you should be in the West.
Why would anyone respect a culture fully and actively complicit in its own demise, one which teaches its own children not only to hate what they have but to feel guilt and shame for their forefathers who built it, who fought and died defending it? What is there to respect?
Same in Austria same in Germany same Italy same in France same in Greece... Yes correct. The diversity our european cultures is in danger. Greetings from Europe stay free IF you can.
Enoch Powell argued years ago that liberal democratic traditions would be impossible to sustain in a context of ethnic communal diversity. If you want law, order and cultural cohesion then you either need homogeneity and democracy or diversity and imperialism.
When Zuby was explaining Dubai it reminded me of San Francisco in the 70s and 80s. There was respect for the culture. People that lived there, in all walks of life, knew something special was going on. There certainly wasn't low crime. But everyone felt like they had as good a shot as the next guy. That's because they really did. The only thing necessary to get ahead then was a clear vision and hard work.
I think the biggest problem the west faces beyond debt, immigration and the breakdown of the family, is the utter break up the judicial and legal system. As Zuby so correctly posed: the Middle East has extreme strict rules when it comes to crime. They have their laws and their ways and are more than willing to enforce them to the point of, in some cases, death. Now, one might not agree with those rules and those enforcements, but as either a native or an immigrant one is subjected to those standards and will be held accountable upon those standards. The west has either forgotten that or has be willing to erode, which in my opinion, is the break down of the back bone of society.
I like the test of friendship concept- coming into a country in good faith, assimilating & contributing vs those that come in bad faith to take advantage & refuse to adapt to the country's culture. The UK needs to adopt some kind assessment for everyone not born on British soil to demonstrate how they're contributing to society as a pre- requisite to remain as a GUEST here
Check out Hayek’s essay on individualism - he lays out the seeds of all of this. He distinguishes ‘true individualism’, where individuals are part of society with links to traditions and families, and ‘false individualism’ (French rationalism) where individuals are completely atomised and traditions we don’t rationally understand torn down. Ultimately, under “true individualism” we are free to create social institutions and process that are greater than any individual mind, and under “false individualism” we will ultimately need a centralised state to direct us
Dubai is not an example of multiculturalism "working". It's an example of an iron fisted regime having such severe consequences in place, that those with ideological hatred of one another have to "get along", because the other option would be such a huge cost to them in liberty and punishment. That's not the same as a mostly homogenous society who rub along so well because they have a shared value system based on a unified culture, faith or it's influence and true integration and assimilation. The latter may look like the former but that's where all similarities end.
Great conversation, thought provoking topics. Thank you Zuby and Carl. Never give up hope, there are so many of us who are aware of the danger we're in and doing the best we can to protect our way of life and fighting back in a variety of ways. Its not over yet.
I am so glad Carl has stopped some of his former behaviours like that horrible joke - and he now speaks against violence against MPs. Good. We have to celebrate everything it is to be British. Our songs, our dances, our stories, our laws, music, inventions, religions. Our great minds - Brunel, Freeborn John, Haydn. We have so much to celebrate. We need to do it and do it publicly and more often. We need festivals every month. There is one based around Daphne du Maurier. But there are no readings of her work. We need to love what we love and share it. Read Dickens together publicly, read Du Maurier at her festival, sing Gaelic and Gaels and Welsh and Cornish etc songs. We need to love our nation and show our love for her.
Great conversation. We are at a point where we have to examine why we care about the things we do in western culture. This is probably a long over due examination, but a welcome one.
2:16 "It was a rude joke, don't get me wrong, I wouldn't make it twice" Me remembering when he made the joke the 2nd time about not having enough beer while off the coast of Gibraltar: 😂 🍻 😂
Corner your liberal friends with this. What are your thoughts on indigenous peoples? Usually they will fully support helping them and providing reparation and or land. Then ask, what is your stance on immigration? They will undoubtedly say, immigration is good for a country. Then follow up with what do you think an indigenous person's stance is on immigration? . . . Completely contradicting their whole compassionate argument. You can't have both! No moral grounds to stand on.
I really appreciate this conversation. Specifically the tone. I’m “on the Left”. I felt there was a bit of straw manning of the progressive perspectives, values, and ideals. I’d almost go back and time stamp examples and make counterpoints, but don’t have time for that! Really appreciate the chat fellas and glad to see that Carl Benjamin isn’t the devil my lefty brainwashers tell me he is. And I also, completely cherish the sentiment and stance for the preservation of cultures: Cockneys, too!
There’s a reason why that owner came here Either he’s irreligious or apostate or worse Ayatollah shill then you’ll know his allegiance as most Shia professing Iranians are die hard supporters of the Ayatollah regime
Good convo Zuby! Carl should respond the key point that Zuby is politely making: Do you think Western societies have clarified/ imposed their own cultural rules unto themselves/their citizens? *This is the key to then clearly outlining the same cultural rules to immigrants*. IE :This is how we live and behave, you must respect/ do the same or not move to the west. And nope, I am not talking of pubs or fish and chips- I'm referring to core values/ codes of conduct/ religions. If you allow too much freedom to your citizens and no core values, immigrants exercise the same freedom including choosing to retain predefined cultures and traditions that have been drummed into them from their native countries.
Most people are unaware that our culture does have fundamental rules they are based on Christian rules, do unto others as you would have them do unto you!, the Ten Commandments which are basically don’t kill , don’t steal, don’t fuck around with other men’s wives and destroy their families, don’t lie about other people, don’t worship other creatures who tell you all these sensible social rules are trash! That is the first commandment, thou shall have no other god before me. But we can do what ever we want, we have free will, but the outcomes are real and predetermined .The church enforced their rules so brutally in the past that people had no choice but to rebel, there should have been a lot more education put into these rules are just simple ways to ensure better everyday living and this is how they work ,and less emphasis on strict interpretations of useless time fillers and rituals and punishment designed to keep self appointed parasitic clergy in cushy jobs. We are all the same in the eyes of god is just another way of saying we are all the same and all deserve the best of life, but we can all sin or make mistakes and being forgiven is important , but the results of your action have consequences that can’t be magically undone, without a recognition that they were mistakes or sins, and even if we forgive them recognise , it will probably take three generations to turn around the damage.
I never understood Enlgish liberalism. What I understand under liberalism is that the individual is free un/chose his group and freely form a new group. I guess, this is more the continental European perspective on liberalism.
20:00 - 27:00 coincidentally im listening to this as i sit next to a brown hindi looking man, a white man, and a Jew. Multiculturalism can work as Zuby said but we need to have boundaries that we all agree upon and value
Some of these political conversations sound like someone suffering in an abusive relationship trying to make sense of why the abuser beats them. It’s really hard to get there but once you realize they need you but you don’t need them it really clears things up quick.
Canadian here, the MAID thing is much worse than most people know, they are now expanding the program to 12-18 year olds, and people who simply "can't afford the cost of living in Canada" we are so screwed here. Rumors are emerging, that if you can't pay your tax bill, the CRA will take your organs as payment, after they MAID you.
Thumbs up to both Zuby and Carl for intelligent conversation. Thanks both of showing people how to have an intelligent conversation and a civil discussion. Skill people only learn through demonstration. I saw Carl speak live in Salt Lake City and I hope to see you live in Salt Lake City live at some point Zuby!
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Nice to see you just nodding as he peddles out nonsense statistics. Good interviewers do their homework, not just say 'yeah'
@@kemuse1 Nice to see you being willfully blind…
@@carolmcln5028 So you think his statement that half the people in social housing in London were born abroad is true?
Carl's arc of the last 10 years has been entertaining to watch unfold.
Zuby, this is genuinely one of the most illuminating conversations on tribalism, race, belonging and identity I have seen on You tube. The more people that watch this the better. You have my gratitude.
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it.
Didn't say much about muh free market and the asset stripping of the West
Remember Islam is taking over. Everyone ignores this
poor you
Thanks for posting this. I was trying to decide if I wanted to spend the time listening.
I’m listening. 👍🏻
The point Carl comes up with regarding the Orwell quote about lefties feeling better being caught stealing from the poor is extremely accurate. If you look at current left-wing policy and the effect it has on the working classes, the poorest in society, it is very literally stealing money from their pocket and preventing them ever being able to escape their position in life - social mobility always goes down massively when the welfare state expands.
Oh my days, are you kidding? It was the Tory free marketeers which shattered the native working class over 40 years ago. The mass immigration which came on top of that is another big business policy - that's why it's always record numbers under the Tories
Indeed, and ponting out how mass migration screws the lower skilled laborers is just sexism and racism to the midwit NPC.
Carl is bang on about the NHS being an international health service. I employ a bulgarian lady, she gave birth in a private hospital in Bulgaria and claimed it through the NHS. I can't fault her, I would do the same... but how can that be a thing.
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Well that's a guarantee of welfare collapse, if there was ever one.
And we wonder why it’s going to sh*te
Hearing about the NHS from a British friend is why I'm fiercely protective of our American health system, even though it definitely needs improvement. But last year I needed a quick doctor appointment and prescription for something which -- if treated quickly -- would be minor; but if delayed, wouldn't require hospitalization, because I've had it before.
It was over a holiday weekend, and I was still able to get an appointment the very next day, and thus avoided having to be hospitalized. And my insurerance covered it, and they also saved money this way, because they only had to pay for the appointment and the prescription, no hospital needed.
And I was back to normal health more quickly, too.
I'm an Egyptian living in Egypt, i had a good education and went to an international British school. I went to university in canada and it took me a while and a lot of effort and unlearning then relearning to become accustomed to life in canada and with Canadians. I agree completely with Carl, culture shifting needs to be expected from newcomers and heavy vetting its not a free for all and there is a legal process that is being undercut. Why not ask for quality newcomers? Why allow an over representatiom of men being most illegals to mess with the home demographics. This is not organic and is not good for cultural relations both inside and outside. This wont end well and it makes me anxious
My parents tell stories of their parents making great effort to integrate in the past from changing their names to trying to speak only English at home. As well forgetting any allegiance to their previous country.
What's amazing in the modern Era it seems that sort of integrating behavior is not promoted by the government and even that community. The combination of the sheer volumes of people with low standards by the government ans the welfare state created this weird ghettoized canada we now live in
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I've really enjoyed my encounters with Egyptians throughout my years. I wish you well. God bless.
Very well said Omarei.
Pogroms were a thing and it wouldn't surprise me at all if when society feels the strain from the its decline that they start up again.
Enforced decline by traitors
Most correct.
Carl is a brilliant intellectual and very talented political commentator.
Hes a bum
@nowherepeople3431 Lol thats like saying everyone who drives a car wants to be a rally car driver . No cigar 🤪 Try again . Try harder little fanboi 😎
@nowherepeople3431 Lol a lie ? Its an opinion little fanboi 🤪 Wassamatter ? You cant handle your hero not being worshipped ? Try again 🤓 Try harder 😎
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Zuby, when Americans talk about black culture, it's generally understood they're talking about American black culture.
You couldn't have picked a more insane thumbnail for Carl's face.
Carl morphing into Henry the VIII
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@@Dibbsioh God I can see it
He looked like DAVID GUEST LMAO
He looks mad lol!!!
Wow. For years I bought into the liberal narrative about ukip and political parties like that. I was a liberal for the last twenty or so years but have been questioning stuff the last few years.After listening to Benjamin Carl speak over found a new political home.
Profound misuse of 'liberal'.
Those people are NOT liberal - they are totalitarian.
The Left is suicidal on Islam.
You are now far right haha
First step is Admittance.
You were the Problem and Had no Allegiance to Your People.
Now You have Woken up to a conscious mind outside of Group/Herd Think, There is No Noddy Badge, so now You mustendeavour for the rest of Your Life in order to right Your Wrongs AGAINST Your Own.
Otherwise You are just a Talker and Your opinion chabges with the seasons as You DON'T actually Stabd for anything.
You just have to tell yourself that you want to know the truth.
This was a great interview because he discusses how cult mental processes block truth.
Praying to the creator to help truth be shown is helpful, also.
Check out #WalkAway
Carl is the closest thing we have to a working class public thinker, and autodidact to boot.
I'd say Morgoth is as well
Behave, he's a business man
Hes a middle class gonk
Ahahaha no, thats Morgoth. Carl is a middle class centrist.
Is it problematic to you that he is clearly innumerate and is lying about the social housing statistics?
Whenever Carl shows up its sure to be a treat. Thanks Zuby.
Carl's wording is perfect. God bless you both!
Weimar conditions require Weimar solutions. But the solutions aren't the problem, its the people who refuse to fix the conditions.
And you know what came after Weimer right ???
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@@EM-tx3lypretty sure he does. 😮
@@EM-tx3lyThere's a reason why history went the way it did
You really did Carl dirty with this thumbnail Zuby.
Excellent work
Yeah, Carl looks like how he sounds lol
Good points raised here. Small personal observation of Swindon recently having grown up there. I walked through the town centre on Boxing day with my family and found the centre aside from the boarded up, rundown shops the demographic seen there were almost exclusively young middle eastern men who appeared to be doing nothing in particular. it felt alien.
The bizarre thing is that while Swindon has never been a thrilling place to live it was never particularly poor. Solid, blue collar town that was by English standards friendly. It has a long history of accepting migrants (i speak particularly of Polish migrants that came after world war 2) . Earlier generations of migrants were hard working, polite and productive and integrated into the town. This isn't the case now and it shows. The neighbours in the centre that were once clean and now a mess you see visible signs of petty criminality. A glance at the crime statistics for the area reveals that there are trending problems in the town.
Sadly this isn't unique to Swindon alone.
Multiculturalism zealots need to own up and accept that this doctrine is a failure.
Remarks in relation to Dubai are correct. People in the UAE genuinely do fear law and more importantly deportation. Also worth remembering here that people are unable to become true UAE citizens and there is no democracy and with that ethnic groups are not able to influence the politics in the region. The UAE do routinely suspend visas from specific countries.
Interesting conversation. Many thanks.
Lotus Eaters is the best news podcast there is.
maybe if you're a liberal yeah
@wavell14 really?
Lotus eaters are centre liberal but showing some signs of progress@@Formally-known-Prince-Andrew
Give over, it's for adolescents. They say the same thing over and over. And on economics where the people of the West are really being strangled, it's just the same old muh free markets which have got us into this mess
@klaus1085 In what way am I a "commie"? How old are you?
One way to frame the immigration situation is: "why are the elite importing a foreign servant class". I've used this line to normies and even ones who are pro immigration stop and think and tend to see my point.
It's not really about a servant class since the economic elite don't have much to do with them. The bank of England and the Treasury use mass immigration to set unemployment at about 7%. An oversupply of labour is the key to keeping working people on their toes and prevent wages from rising. It also keeps expanding the debt bubble and increases the consumer base.
Since the 50s pretty much every trick has been tried to expand the supply of labour from feminism to deindustrialisation to mass immigration / refugees. It's really that simple - the bigger the supply, the lower the price. And the massively reduced power of organised labour also means that virtually all the productivity gains have gone to owners of capital also
@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp Indeed, the corpos use it to screw the supply and demand, and they pay a bunch of "But borders are racism and xenophobia" NPC midwits to keep it going.
@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rpThat's basically the capitalist reasoning on betraying their own people. Capitalist selfish greed and Marxist envious hate are why the West is on the decline. These enemies are clear to all, but the people lack the religious or nationalist unity to purge these two. As much propaganda had made people wary of religious or nationalist political dominance.
@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rpthis is spot on. It's literally intended to keep the owner class supplied and the peasantry fighting amongst themselves.
When an unsustainable and disproportionate number from any ethnic goup continues to grow without reasonable monitoring of the impact they may have on the existing communities, public services and societal cohesion within the towns, villages and cities and overtime begin to emerge as the majority in these areas then you will undoubtedly see blatant flagrances of the law being enforced inequitably.
Especially when this new majority are a monolingually and homogeneous group of people that were *encouraged to thrive by consistent governments over decades due to indifference and nimbyism* of local, regional and national bureaucrats.
Whenever you have an overwhelming high concentration of an ethnic group they will unconsciously act like they own the place by paying little or no regard to their anti-social and antithetical to Western societal behaviour.
People are sick of the backward third world and Eastern European mindsets that migrate to living in a illiterate monolingual and homogeneous cultural ghetto of their own making. These ghetto's are a manifestation of the antethetical Western mindsets that comprise of the adults living within them because they frown upon intergration/assimilation.
It is where you'll find a highest concentration of people with a particular faith and ethnicity. Its a mini third world backwater transplanted to a county or state in the developed world, a ethnic cultural gulag ghetto and with it comes are the adults anti-social sensibilities and mannerisms.
Contempt by the majority ethnic group for law and order is rife in these monolingually and homogeneous gulag ghettos. From blocking pavements parking recklessly and irresponsbily to business owners, taxi's and customers conducting U-turns on a daily basis in highly congested high streets creating traffic jams and accidents.
Enough is enough of these local council approved 'no go areas' where law and order isn't enforced because of the local authorities bias. Its high time for regional quota's of ethnic minorities and for local councils to enforce the law equally to all. This will prevent ghetto's from being established and reaching unsustainable proportions resulting into mini third world villages and towns.
*We need an new minsterial role to manage this issue NOW* .
No citizenship is given without decades of services in full employment and good behaviour and even if it is granted it can be revoked and you and your family sent back to the sh1thole from whence you came as well as all your savings, investments etc is used to pay the victims (or taxpayer if no crime was committed but behaviour is unacceptable or alarming as identified by the police etc).
No more cultural ghettos and no more religious sites of any faith other than the national religion. Dont like it f off back to ancestral sh1thole. Alternatively you can do your VR temple worship at home along with the other sheeple.
For where ever these cultural ghettos exist they bring with them their backward third world mindsets and prejudices too that are antithetical to Western freedom loving societies and peoples.
This applies to all cultures and peoples that migrant to the West, more stringent reviews of their work behaviour and practices is needed over at least a decade or more to determine if their sensibilities and cultural norms are compatible for life in the West. With lifetime reviews over generations to ensure assimilation was successful prior to full citizenship being granted for this can be revoked any time.
Because this is what must be done so *Britain* (the idea of it) can exist.
Multiculturalism unravels the thread that binds social cohesion.
Every single society that embraced this ideology is unravelling.
My questions is, so declining birth rates in the West is an issue, yea we all get that so (controlled and smartly selected) immigration is always needed to maintain economies & maintain positive GDPs (which looks good for whatever political party is in, therefore they use these stats to try and get reelected).
What benefit is it to any country to allow unchecked immigration of people who have zero intention of working, or becoming a contributor to the host country's economy?????????????? In fact large % of these people hate the host country!
We are seeing this suicidal uncheck immigration happening all over the West, UK, Europe, US even Australia has ridiculous immigration rates meanwhile there is a out of control housing and rental crisis down under, yet the Government continues, against the will of the taxpayer to bring in these unsustainable numbers of people. Why?
What is going on with all of this?
There is something far sinister happening to the West.
Rulers are bribed by hostile countries that have surplus ppl to put to use as invaders. Outright treason.
Because the oligarchy of the donor class doesn't care what it does to the pleb. They will make the world burn as they fly off.
Carl has an incredible number of fantastic takes and will no doubt be a fascinating listen. Thank you, Carl and Zuby🐈
We are sitting at a crossroads where people have almost totally lost trust in society, in our institutions, and our peers. That's why it is so important to inform, report, debate, and persuade others right now. The fight for the future is ongoing- keep fighting Zuby and Carl!!
This was awesome. And that studio kicks ass.
Thanks for listening!
Incentivize women to work in corporations instead of having families and low birthrates are the result. We have no idea how bad society may get, but its not looking good so far.
41:42 There were so many Germans in colonial America that German was very seriously considered in the discussion of what should be the "national language" - though if I recall correctly the US government never officially declared a "national language." It just kind of de facto became English.
haven't heard Carl talk for a few years now after 2020 came and I cut way back on culture and political media. He's gotten a lot better in some of his blind spots, and he was always articulate. Very impressed with his analysis and commentary in this whole thing.
Zuby and sargon have become those two men in the pub fixing the world
i agree with Zuby on most things but i think he is wrong about how some people see black culture in america as more violent, because it is. they are less than 15% of the population but they commit over 51% of the homicides and 52% of the robberies according to FBI Data Table 43. its not racist to understand threat risks. logically someone would be in more risk of danger walking through some sketchy poor neighborhood in St Louis than they would in some poor Amish trailer park in Pennsylvania or Kentucky or wherever. culture matters and its not just an economic issue, because there are so many dirt poor cultures that are very peaceful.
Zuby’s respect for Carl is heartwarming and relatable. Great interview.
Zuby speaks truths and has a totally reasonable approach to subjects! Let's get Zuby to 1 million subs in 2024!!!
Wish this was a weekly podcast. Great conversation by two great thinkers. Respect to both of you fellows✌️
Peak ‘The West’ was definitely 90’s, 00’s. In the mid 2010’s it started to became apparent things were in decline, and that decline has since accelerated to the point where all can see it.
Off by nearly 100 years
The pic of Carl in that thumbnail is slightly shocking.
Japan is being forced down the same dangerous path. The area my wife grew up in, When I first visited it about 15 year ago was entirely Japanese, A lot of old people, Very safe and very nice.
Now its an Islamic ghetto with high crime, stabbings, rapes, gangs, hit and runs. For some insane reason people voted for a communist mayor and he starting bringing in Kurdish PKK (Communist terror group) members and they've been pushing for more and more of the relatives to flood in. Locals are miserable but the media only does puff pieces on "Vibrant diversity"
Islamic ghetto,WTF does that even mean
You did Carl dirty with that thumbnail.
It looks like the thumbnail has been changed. The original thumbnail had Carl with bloodshot puffy eyes like he is crying.
Excellent episode, no shouting, open to honest debates,no made up controversys etc
Zuby, great interview. Carl really knows his cultural history. 👍
During Carl's response to Zuby's question around 28:00 I couldn't help but be reminded of Carl's "debate" with Thomas Smith from years ago. Smith said, "Freedom allows white men to control everything" to which Carl, quite aptly came to the conclusion that Thomas was a "white supremacist with a guilty conscious"
Fascinating how apt that retort was.
Which white men? "Freedom" has never meant freedom for everyone, it's always just meant owners of capital
@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp shut up Commie.
@@OnlineEnglish-wl5rpok lenin
@@NoFeckingNamesLeft You only need to read the history of your own country in the 18th and 19th centuries to know it's true
@OnlineEnglish-wl5rp True. Fortunately, in the West everyone is free to acquire capital and leverage it to obtain more.
Massive leaps upward on the socio-economic ladder require brilliance, risk, extreme dedication, luck, or maybe some combination of those. That said, there is no one born in the West that does not have the ability to ascend a rung or rwo on the scale through work and good decision making.
Freedom has its costs, and no one is ever truly free. No man is an island.
As for the history of land owners getting to vote, that's simply the idea that only those who support the system should be allowed to steer the direction it moves. In the early days, land owners were the ones paying the taxes, therefore they earned the vote. It is more complicated, yes, but that was the principle. Bastiat wrote about what happens when those that only drain the system are allowed to vote themselves more benefits. We're now seeing just how right he was.
40:40 Because the foreigners who live in the Middle Eastern countries aren’t running the government! The government is run by natives the way natives think it should be run. Things aren’t changed to suit the foreigners living in Qatar or the UAE, or whatever.
There's so much of value in this conversation. You two are wonderful and remarkable people. I really feel like I've learned a lot from both of you throughout the years and it is a joy to see you still come together as friends to talk about interesting things and have a laugh.
99% of comments: about the thumbnail
1%: good podcast 👍
With regards to Dubai, the issue is still multiculturalism Zuby. The doctrine of multiculturalism states that no culture can be dominant or be considered better than any other - even the native culture. This is the thing that many people get wrong. Pluralism on the other hand, allows for multiple cultures, but with a dominant one, under which everyone follows the same rules and values.
Dubai works because it follows pluralism, not multiculturalism. The west is failing because it is (under progressive liberalism), following multiculturalism and indeed going even further.
In the last few decades, we have shifted from treating everyone equally under the law (native and immigrant alike), which is what you said happens in Dubai, to not only not attempting to integrate newcomers to the native culture, but actually treating them differently because their values and cultural norms are considered equally valid and to compensate for both real and imagined historical oppression.
Having said that, this was a fantastic discussion and I wish it could have gone on much longer.
The multiculturaltopias Zuby is talking about are monarchies, are they not? Much harder to subvert than a liberal democracy which has no defense from being destroyed from within by its own tolerance.
Precisely, it is the antithesis of multiculturalism.
Zuby's description of Abu Dhabi being "multicultural" doesn't hold water because the local culture is one of strict adherence to local law, customs and norms. Outsiders, despite being practitioners of different cultures, understand this and act in accordance to Abu Dhabi's ethos.
If it were to allow the practice of different cultures and their respective "norms", then I wager it would be a very different place altogether.
Multiculturalism as in multiple cultures at the same place at the same time doesn’t work!
One culture that sets and actually enforces the rules with people of different cultures living there does.
Multiculturalism has been a roaring success, done exactly as planned.
Instead of integration and assimilation we have parallel societies which have conserved and maintained their culture and ideology.
That is Multiculturalism as intended.
It never meant assimilation and integration, that would be inter/intra-culturalism, thats what we used to do before Blair and Brown did their Multiculturalism experiment that we never asked for and didn't want.
It is worth noting that when people point at Braverman etc and say 'look Multiculturalism is working' they are pointing at those who have ASSIMILATED and adopted our ways and cultural views, Braverman and Patel arent the products of Multiculturalism but integration.
It amazes me how few are able to make this distinction. Our leaders and elites are not sharp, intellectual people, they are sycophantic brown-nosing yes-men.
Or to put it differently:
Multiculturalism is a novel political experiment which by nature creates parallel societies as it doesn't expect assimilation and integration, and demands that the culture of the host nation is destroyed and subverted lest we cause offence. Much of the speech restrictions are a result of Multiculturalism, a way to shut us up from saying what we see and think.
Multiculturalism and diversity is not strength but a challenge at best.
Multiculturalism is asymmetric in nature and the indigenous population are expected to do all the work of change to help new people feel comfortable.
All other cultures must be preserved apart from the native ones.
This is why cultural Marxists work so hard to destroy our history and invent myths about others, the idea is that native people won't even know what their culture is so they won't lament its passing.
The 2 major drivers of civil war are religious/ethnic diversity and unstable governments.
We were never asked and we can see where this is going.
It’s no mystery, it leads to the same result as every single heterogenous empire or state that has ever existed, fracture and balkanization exactly along heterogeneous lines.
Inevitable. Pick a nice corner to concentrate in, I guess.
While you're right, have you ever asked yourself why it's seemingly only foreigners that get on the role of defending the natives? Braverman, Ramaswamy and others I don't remember.
@@kostasbiker9302 its a tactic of demoralisation
Brilliant comment.
‘Multiculturalism? Completed it mate! Multiple cultures. They’re not ghettoes, they’re communities!’
@@UnrepentantFenian Correct, they want to present to us that some foreigners are good and want to save our countries.
The term "coloured person" was just an innocent expression used by an older white generation to describe people that looked different to them.
Lol sure
Coloured just means non-white or non-white passing people.
You also know what helps a multicultural society flourish?
Second class citizenship.
There are the first class citizens. The ethnic people of the land, they are the stewards of the land and as such are above all other people in standing. They are allowed to vote. They benefit from the government structure. They get defended by the law from the other citizens.
The second class citizens are the workers. They are hired by the stewards to perform tasks for them. They are there with a purpose. To earn large sums of money that they use to care for their family or better their standing in their home country. At no point are they ever acknowledged as more than workers. They are there temporarily until they can no longer work and will be made to go home unless they have the money to stay.
Dubai works because there are the people of Dubai, and then there are all the other people.
Dubai 'works' because the Muslims are on top.
Western 'multicultural' countries because they're full of mass-imported Muslims who are not on top, and whose mission it is to force the infidel into submission.
No other group causes any sh1t.
Socialims, Woke, Islam. Future is grim.
But this is all happening under Global Capitalism.
Like the cockneys I too feel like I’m being exiled but not from London. From my own country. The Palestinian protests showed this. Regardless of your view on the foreign conflict the massive support for something happening half way across the world shows that Britain has been absorbed by immigrants.
I have a family with 2 young children. My wife doesn’t want to move country. So what else can we do? My children will grow up not knowing our heritage, in my own country.
I visited London in 1983 and the number of foreign people surprised me the. Empire. This is so much different.
Capital cities are the only places where "multiculturalism" should exist. "Constantinople is meant to have a bazaar. Stockton isn't."
Empire is dead and dead for good.
Where did you dig out that pic of Carl? 😅
As a legal arab migrant living in the UK, cant agree more. Very interesting points being made. Brits needa be more proud and less crybabies
Return to your homeland. Work to improve it. Then maybe we can all start migrating there and degrading the society you help craft, overburdening your public infrastructure, draining benefits, committing crimes, and devaluing the labor of your countrymen until the standard of living starts regressing.
Just being sensible doesn't mean you should be in the West.
Hope you like the UK 😊
This was all common sense years ago. I grew up hearing "when in Rome, do as the Romans do." Haven't heard that saying in the last twenty years.
Just look at what the west is doing to farmers...
Just look at what the is doing to baby's...
Why would anyone respect a culture fully and actively complicit in its own demise, one which teaches its own children not only to hate what they have but to feel guilt and shame for their forefathers who built it, who fought and died defending it?
What is there to respect?
You're talking about woke culture which is presently in charge and foreign, not our culture, which is English and old.
2/3 through and really enjoying. You are a great host, interjecting when needed but letting your guest talk.
Same in Austria same in Germany same Italy same in France same in Greece...
Yes correct. The diversity our european cultures is in danger.
Greetings from Europe stay free IF you can.
This was a great conversation. The two of you HAVE to talk again!
Enoch Powell argued years ago that liberal democratic traditions would be impossible to sustain in a context of ethnic communal diversity. If you want law, order and cultural cohesion then you either need homogeneity and democracy or diversity and imperialism.
The problem lies in the black community referring to these things as black culture
Culture is downstream from race.
When Zuby was explaining Dubai it reminded me of San Francisco in the 70s and 80s. There was respect for the culture. People that lived there, in all walks of life, knew something special was going on. There certainly wasn't low crime. But everyone felt like they had as good a shot as the next guy. That's because they really did. The only thing necessary to get ahead then was a clear vision and hard work.
I think the biggest problem the west faces beyond debt, immigration and the breakdown of the family, is the utter break up the judicial and legal system.
As Zuby so correctly posed: the Middle East has extreme strict rules when it comes to crime. They have their laws and their ways and are more than willing to enforce them to the point of, in some cases, death. Now, one might not agree with those rules and those enforcements, but as either a native or an immigrant one is subjected to those standards and will be held accountable upon those standards.
The west has either forgotten that or has be willing to erode, which in my opinion, is the break down of the back bone of society.
This was an excellent discussion.
I like the test of friendship concept- coming into a country in good faith, assimilating & contributing vs those that come in bad faith to take advantage & refuse to adapt to the country's culture. The UK needs to adopt some kind assessment for everyone not born on British soil to demonstrate how they're contributing to society as a pre- requisite to remain as a GUEST here
Check out Hayek’s essay on individualism - he lays out the seeds of all of this. He distinguishes ‘true individualism’, where individuals are part of society with links to traditions and families, and ‘false individualism’ (French rationalism) where individuals are completely atomised and traditions we don’t rationally understand torn down. Ultimately, under “true individualism” we are free to create social institutions and process that are greater than any individual mind, and under “false individualism” we will ultimately need a centralised state to direct us
Excellent and intelligent conversation!
Great talk fellas. Love Zuby's "I'm not Canadian but what the heck." Sounded very Canadian to me
The world needs more of this type of talk and understanding.
Dubai is not an example of multiculturalism "working". It's an example of an iron fisted regime having such severe consequences in place, that those with ideological hatred of one another have to "get along", because the other option would be such a huge cost to them in liberty and punishment. That's not the same as a mostly homogenous society who rub along so well because they have a shared value system based on a unified culture, faith or it's influence and true integration and assimilation. The latter may look like the former but that's where all similarities end.
Great conversation, thought provoking topics. Thank you Zuby and Carl. Never give up hope, there are so many of us who are aware of the danger we're in and doing the best we can to protect our way of life and fighting back in a variety of ways. Its not over yet.
Really good, thoughtful conversation. The west needs more of this.
I am so glad Carl has stopped some of his former behaviours like that horrible joke - and he now speaks against violence against MPs. Good.
We have to celebrate everything it is to be British. Our songs, our dances, our stories, our laws, music, inventions, religions. Our great minds - Brunel, Freeborn John, Haydn. We have so much to celebrate. We need to do it and do it publicly and more often. We need festivals every month. There is one based around Daphne du Maurier. But there are no readings of her work. We need to love what we love and share it. Read Dickens together publicly, read Du Maurier at her festival, sing Gaelic and Gaels and Welsh and Cornish etc songs. We need to love our nation and show our love for her.
Great conversation. We are at a point where we have to examine why we care about the things we do in western culture. This is probably a long over due examination, but a welcome one.
‘The days have gone down in the west. How did it come to this?’
I'm all for forcing the English to speak Welsh in school. We're 'British', after all!
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(I can't speak Welsh)
Good point.
Regardless of what besets us, expanding the conversation is where it's at!
2:16 "It was a rude joke, don't get me wrong, I wouldn't make it twice"
Me remembering when he made the joke the 2nd time about not having enough beer while off the coast of Gibraltar: 😂 🍻 😂
Finally found a intelligent Logical Channel that's on the same page. Thanks
Corner your liberal friends with this. What are your thoughts on indigenous peoples? Usually they will fully support helping them and providing reparation and or land. Then ask, what is your stance on immigration? They will undoubtedly say, immigration is good for a country. Then follow up with what do you think an indigenous person's stance is on immigration? . . . Completely contradicting their whole compassionate argument. You can't have both! No moral grounds to stand on.
"Far right" means nationalist (vs internationalist.) That's it.
I really appreciate this conversation. Specifically the tone. I’m “on the Left”. I felt there was a bit of straw manning of the progressive perspectives, values, and ideals. I’d almost go back and time stamp examples and make counterpoints, but don’t have time for that! Really appreciate the chat fellas and glad to see that Carl Benjamin isn’t the devil my lefty brainwashers tell me he is. And I also, completely cherish the sentiment and stance for the preservation of cultures: Cockneys, too!
Great conversation.
55:45 I wonder which side the Iranian cafe owner will take if the UK goes to war with Iran?
There’s a reason why that owner came here
Either he’s irreligious or apostate or worse Ayatollah shill then you’ll know his allegiance as most Shia professing Iranians are die hard supporters of the Ayatollah regime
What a great conversation. This really encapsulated the current problem with western culture.
Great interview Zuby. Always enjoy listening to Carl’s perspectives
Great video....two class guys talking common sense at a level the main stream can't fathom.
You can't stop it. Rome fell too. History always repeats
Glad you enjoyed it
@@ZubyMusic Western empire is on its last legs
This was an amazing conversation. Love Carl and Zuby
Good convo Zuby! Carl should respond the key point that Zuby is politely making: Do you think Western societies have clarified/ imposed their own cultural rules unto themselves/their citizens? *This is the key to then clearly outlining the same cultural rules to immigrants*. IE :This is how we live and behave, you must respect/ do the same or not move to the west. And nope, I am not talking of pubs or fish and chips- I'm referring to core values/ codes of conduct/ religions. If you allow too much freedom to your citizens and no core values, immigrants exercise the same freedom including choosing to retain predefined cultures and traditions that have been drummed into them from their native countries.
Most people are unaware that our culture does have fundamental rules they are based on Christian rules, do unto others as you would have them do unto you!, the Ten Commandments which are basically don’t kill , don’t steal, don’t fuck around with other men’s wives and destroy their families, don’t lie about other people, don’t worship other creatures who tell you all these sensible social rules are trash! That is the first commandment, thou shall have no other god before me. But we can do what ever we want, we have free will, but the outcomes are real and predetermined .The church enforced their rules so brutally in the past that people had no choice but to rebel, there should have been a lot more education put into these rules are just simple ways to ensure better everyday living and this is how they work ,and less emphasis on strict interpretations of useless time fillers and rituals and punishment designed to keep self appointed parasitic clergy in cushy jobs. We are all the same in the eyes of god is just another way of saying we are all the same and all deserve the best of life, but we can all sin or make mistakes and being forgiven is important , but the results of your action have consequences that can’t be magically undone, without a recognition that they were mistakes or sins, and even if we forgive them recognise , it will probably take three generations to turn around the damage.
I never understood Enlgish liberalism. What I understand under liberalism is that the individual is free un/chose his group and freely form a new group. I guess, this is more the continental European perspective on liberalism.
20:00 - 27:00 coincidentally im listening to this as i sit next to a brown hindi looking man, a white man, and a Jew. Multiculturalism can work as Zuby said but we need to have boundaries that we all agree upon and value
"We wanted to make something outside of youtube...."
And yet, most people will only ever watch this on youtube....YOU WON CARL, CONGRAGTS!
Yes , two favorites of mine , Zuby and Carl Benjamin ...
Two favorite Brits together. What a lovely listen.
Who is the second brit?
Yes , if you are weak you can easily EASILY be conquered ... SO SAD. Zuby and Benjamin are spot on ...
Some of these political conversations sound like someone suffering in an abusive relationship trying to make sense of why the abuser beats them. It’s really hard to get there but once you realize they need you but you don’t need them it really clears things up quick.
Canadian here, the MAID thing is much worse than most people know, they are now expanding the program to 12-18 year olds, and people who simply "can't afford the cost of living in Canada" we are so screwed here. Rumors are emerging, that if you can't pay your tax bill, the CRA will take your organs as payment, after they MAID you.
Absolutely enlightening convo by 2 proper gents. Thanks so much I loved this and it tweaked my perspective on things ever so slightly
Mr Carl Benjamin is one of the most amazing English Patriots and also a really wise man.
Excellent content the adult's are in the room, sadly our politicians are corrupt and treasonous
Thumbs up to both Zuby and Carl for intelligent conversation. Thanks both of showing people how to have an intelligent conversation and a civil discussion. Skill people only learn through demonstration. I saw Carl speak live in Salt Lake City and I hope to see you live in Salt Lake City live at some point Zuby!