Tradition, Religion, & Gender Roles w/Nina Power and Carl Benjamin | Spectrum Street Epistemology
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- In Fall 2023, philosopher and author Nina Power and cultural critic and polymath Carl Benjamin joined Peter for a Spectrum Street Epistemology session in Hampstead Heath, London. They explored controversial claims about a variety of socio-political and cultural topics. Nina and Carl have been on Peter's channel before, but this is their first joint episode.
Peter's interview with Nina Power: • Are Men Ok? | Peter Bo...
Peter's interview with Carl Benjamin: • Challenging Rationalit...
Nina received a Ph.D. in philosophy from Middlesex University and an MA and BA in philosophy from the University of Warwick. She was a senior lecturer in philosophy at Roehampton University and has taught at various British universities. She is a fellow of the Royal Society of Arts and a member of the British Philosophical Association. She co-hosts the podcast The Lack with Helen Rollins and Benjamin Studebaker.
Nina on X / nina_compact
Carl Benjamin, AKA "Sargon of Akkad," is best described as a free-speech activist, staunch critic of identity politics, and champion of English Liberalism. When CZcams and Google shadowbanned his channel in 2019 for wrongthink, Carl continued creating content on Akkad Daily. In November 2020, he launched a new media venture: Lotuseaters.com.
Carl on X / sargon_of_akkad
00:00 Intro
01:41 Conservatism Definition
03:32 Conservatism v Liberalism
06:22 Discussion on traditionalism
08:46 Religious Conversion
22:54 Outcomes of belief systems
24:05 Which religions yield better societal results
25:47 Human Flourishing
29:13 Cultural Decline
34:33 Gender Roles
43:33 The fundamental experiences tied to gender
45:22 Differences between being a man and a woman
47:40 The unique experiences of pregnancy
49:51 The significance of being a man or a woman
52:16 Being a man in contemporary society
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In case you missed my previous interviews with Nina and Carl:
Interview with Nina: czcams.com/video/SiGM1qg3rEs/video.html
Interview with Carl: czcams.com/video/piprrQmiCuY/video.html
The obvious mistake from the start was for them to have to define conservatism but not liberalism.
Current day neo-liberalism is actual literal fascism and has nothing to do with liberty anymore.
would the participants have answered in the same way were liberalism changed with libertarianism?
which is way closer to actual liberalism
leaving Abrahamic religions completely out of it, Our biggest mistake was allowing Women to lead our sensibilities. The sensibilities of women are far too weak, compassionate and agreeable to make any decisions that make nations. In the 1960's the sensibilities of Men were completely replaced with the ideas of Women. I can prove this with two examples where it has backfired in expected ways, when feelings are put over facts . The Women's Movement though that it was a great idea when the majority of the school board elected by these fools, were Muslim Women. That was until they refused to fly the Gay Pride flag during pride month. This is because when you put your dumb "Feelings" aside, you SEE that Islam is the Antithesis of any free Western Society. Women had taken pride in their sports victories and have fought for Women's rights for decades, only to find themselves under the Tyranny of Men who think they are Women, winning at their sports. How many more embarrassments do we need to SEE that allowing Women to make ANY real decisions is a terrible idea.
@@thelaurens1996
leftism:
Otherwise known as “progressivism” and even more inaccurately as “liberalism”, leftism is a term originating from the French Revolution of 1789, in reference to the political faction that opposed the French (so-called) king. However, the term is currently used in common discourse to describe those criminals who actively support (or at least tacitly condone) a host of OBJECTIVELY-WICKED ideologies and practices that contravene dharma, such as non-monarchical governances and corrupt economic systems (particularly socialism, communism, fascism, and liberal democracies), egalitarianism, feminism, perverse sexuality (especially homosexuality, bestiality, and transvestism), multiculturalism, and the illegitimate abortion of innocent, defenceless, unborn children. Cf. “dharma”.
In a vain attempt to legitimize their objectively-immoral propensities, leftists invariably replace accurate terms with blatant EUPHEMISMS, such as “gay”, “sex worker”, “pro-choice”, and “queer”, and of course, coin novel words for notions that cannot exist, particularly the nonsensical term, “transgender”. Furthermore, leftists are constantly inventing truly inane, vacuous words to demonize conservatives, such as “homophobia” and “transphobia” (which literally mean “fear of sameness” and “fear of change”, respectively).
In the past decade or two (of this treatise being composed), the mass media, especially the motion picture industry and television production companies, has been aggressively promoting all the above CRIMINAL ideologies and practices, helping to expedite the destruction of human civilization. Recently, large corporations have jumped on the leftist bandwagon (so to speak), in order to profit.
As explicated in Chapter 11 of this “A Final Instruction Sheet for Humanity”, the state of being of any particular human (or any other animal, for that matter) is due entirely to his or her genetic sequencing and his or her conditioning. Therefore, the explosion of the leftist/liberal mentality in recent decades, particularly in Western countries, has been caused by poor breeding strategies overtaking the more conservative tradition of mate-selection of previous centuries (and indeed, millennia), as well as the concerted effort of Marxists to spread their nefarious ideology throughout the school system. In other words, due to the fact that criminal behaviour (especially the deviant sexual acts mentioned above) has become increasingly more tolerated, condoned, and even GLORIFIED in most countries, there has been a proliferation of corrupt genetic codes within the wider human population.
According to genealogists, for (almost) the entire history of humanity, most women have successfully reproduced, whilst a far far smaller percentage of males have bequeathed their genetic sequence to proceeding generations. Due to the gradual phasing-out of polygamous marriages in even the most conservative societies, as well as the eradication of poverty in most every country, more and more men (as well as women) have been producing offspring. Thus, the human genome has rapidly become adulterated by inferior genetic material (that is, DNA from truly pathetic, uxorious beta-males, bisexuals, and even homosexual couples who engage surrogate mothers or sperm donors in order to conceive children - something of a rare occurrence in previous centuries/millennia).
For centuries, breeders of elite animals such as horses, cattle, and dogs, have known that selecting the finest examples of a breed of animal will result in offspring with desirable characteristics. For example, present day thoroughbred horses boast a pedigree of the best-available horses from the seventeenth century. Such breeders are willing to pay enormous sums of money merely to hire the fastest stallions on earth in order for them to mate with their mares. In the case of we humans, women have traditionally chosen the most competent and masculine men with whom to bear children, and in general, have totally eschewed those males who displayed effeminate traits, and who showed themselves incapable of properly supporting a nuclear family. Unfortunately, due to rapid moral decay over the past few decades, Western women have become extremely sexually promiscuous, resulting in a multiplication of unwanted progeny (and, of course, an escalation of abortions). Boys born to single mothers often lack proper male roles models and invariably become feminized, unable (and often unwilling) to continue a strong lineage of progenitors. The solution to this problem is simply to ensure that society adheres to the principles of DHARMA (see the Glossary definition of that term, as well as Chapter 12).
Unsurprisingly, the majority of leftists find it difficult to accept the fact that their criminal mentality is largely inherited (and of course, they are unwilling to acknowledge the blatantly-obvious fact that their ideologies and practices are intrinsically sinful, wicked, evil and immoral in the first place!). It seems the consensus amongst leftist “intellectuals” is that every human mental trait is due entirely to one’s environmental conditioning and social milieu, rather than as a consequence of BOTH one’s genetic sequence and one’s life-long conditioning - a fundamentally-flawed assertion that cannot be scientifically supported. I would not be surprised if the typical leftist would believe that, if the parents of the twentieth century communist tyrant, Joseph Stalin, and the parents of the Divine Incarnation, Lord Jesus Christ, had somehow crossed the time barrier, and exchanged their baby boys shortly after their birth, that Stalin would have grown to become a Prophet for God, whilst Christ would have become a murderous, left-wing dictator!
This term was very reluctantly used in the chapter on feminism. I say “reluctantly” because it is unlikely that the term will perdure for many decades longer. This is simple deductive logic, since, as clearly demonstrated in certain chapters in “F.I.S.H”, human civilization cannot survive with such leftist practices and ideologies in place. If you happen to be reading this Holy Scripture a century or more after its conception, you will probably be residing in a nation (as opposed to a country) ruled by a monarch, following the implosion of post-modern, decadent societies. So, either the term “leftism” will eventually become redundant and obsolete, or else, human civilization will devolve into a decadent, diseased state of existence similar to that of the prehistoric era, when the peoples of the world resided in caves or shacks, subsisting on whatever food can be sourced from the surrounding bushland. I trust that you who are reading these wise words will endeavour to influence your social circles to adhere to right-leaning ideologies and practices, such as (above all) monarchical governance, an entirely free-market economy, sexual purity, veganism, and all other virtuous principles.
Fear not, for God is with you!
P.S. As a general rule, it seems (at least anecdotally) that the farther left-leaning is a person, the more physically (and of course, psychologically) UGLY is that person. Unfortunately, that does not seem to prevent leftists from propagating their mutant genes.🤡
N.B. In order to clarify the notion of inheritability, it is not being claimed that an adharmic (far-left) couple will INVARIABLY produce leftist children, but that it is more PROBABLE that they will do so, considering their genetic sequence and the environmental conditioning they are bound to impart to their children, just as two parents with a certain physiological disorder are more likely to generate offspring with that specific disease. In this regards, it is recommended to study introductory texts on epigenetics. 🧬
In my particular case, I was raised by a staunch communist, and so, was indoctrinated to believe that communism was the best course of action for a just society. Indeed, as a teenager, I even volunteered in the election campaign of a socialist politician, who eventually became the Premiere of the state of Western Australia. However, after studying dharma, I came to learn that I was misled by my father in this regard, and that the only system of governance that is dharmic (legitimate) is a divinely-sanctioned monarchy.
No to instagram.
Thanks to all three of you for taking on these issues. Brilliant location choice, too. Bigger coats next time? lol Edit: just watching the very end... HUGE point made by Carl, per the male voice's commanding value. The male lion tolerates the cubs... to a point. Then, it doesn't take much to right the ship.
Anyone who thinks the increase of Islam in the UK not being anything but totally disastrous has lost the plot and submitted to it.
I'm surprised Carl didn't tell her a few facts about Islamic teachings.
Islamic immigration is just a SYMPTOM of our own Liberalism and banking and financial system that loves millions of cheap workers.
Islam is actually correct on Usury.
@@gregorytaylor9104Islam gets alot correct particularly being opposed to Usury.
Muslims are coming through Liberalism and Globalisation in better shape than most.
Islamic immigration is just a SYMPTOM of our financial and banking system.
They are actually correct on Usury.
Fuckin racist
“Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire”
― Gustav Mahler
Even though I had forgotten this saying, I do what I can to live according to it every day.
Great quote! Im taking that one
"Tradition is the corpse of wisdom." Zed from League of Legends
Bars.
Carl, despite not being a Christian defended the Christain position better.
Spoke about how inconsiderate the women were when they felt they had no use for men and also the lack of care for fatherhood as a father himself, not his use to the society and women.
Excellent points all through
@@LemonScreech you know it's doomed to loose because??
@@theolite360 Because of demographics. And the moral systems Christianity pushes. understand that progressivism is a logical extension of Christianity. It's an outpouring of puritanism in a way.
@@SoteksChunkyProphet-dg7io of we are talking about the Christianity as in Protestantism then I might agree, but for Catholicism, I don't see it that way, Catholicism is not progressive in its core however I must agree that the general influence of Protestantism is seriously shaking Catholicism
@@theolite360 Mate several of the last pope's including the current one have been progressives. What is that if not the core of the mother church. The Protestants are progressive, the Anglicans are progressive, the Catholics are progressive, the only churches that seem to be rejecting progressivism successfully are the Orthodox churches.
@@theolite360 All progressivism stems from the principle that all human beings have divine value, have a divine human soul. Can you show me where Catholicism argues against that principle. Although I agree that progressivism has come from protestants, but Catholicism has no argument against that principle.
I’ve always considered myself pretty liberal, but due to the current extremist cultural politics, I really find the arguments against “liberalism” so much more attractive. I also find people on the centre right far more intellectually sound in their arguments and it’s far more interesting to listen to than the utopian, authoritarian activist politics we hear now on the left.
Things on the right get debated. On the left, they get shouted down.
I hear you. The left has become illiberal, bullying, and censorial, while all the time telling you that it isn't. It's getting easier to understand how people in communist countries used to feel.
Interesting. It can be odd to hear a side of liberalism claiming recognition/justice/voice for all, especially those deemed minorities which is obviously a redeemable call. But the 'don't tolerate the intolerant' is a claim that just says to the confused me "I pick my flavour of authoritarianism"
Respected British anthropology professor, Dr. Edward Dutton, has demonstrated that “LEFTISM” is due to genetic mutations, caused by poor breeding strategies.
🤡
To put it simply, in recent decades, those persons who exhibit leftist traits such as egalitarianism, feminism, gynocentrism, socialism, multiculturalism, transvestism, homosexuality, perverse morality, and laziness, have been reproducing at rates far exceeding the previous norm, leading to an explosion of insane, narcissistic SOCIOPATHS in (mostly) Western societies.
@@DavySpikeMill
authoritarian:
essentially, a synonym for “dictator” (see that entry, below). Just as in the case of the term “dictator”, this word is most often used as a descriptor for a leader or a ruler who imposes his or her own will upon a population, almost exclusively in a NEGATIVE way.
HOWEVER, it is important to understand that the term “authoritarian” originates from the root “author”, which simply refers to one who creates or originates something, via the word “authority”, which entails the right to give orders, make decisions, and enforce obedience. Therefore, genuine authoritarianism is a dharmic concept, because when one exercises his or her authority over his/her subordinates, it contributes to social cohesion. Indeed, human society cannot survive without proper authoritarian systems in place. It is absolutely imperative to very carefully read the Glossary entries for “dharma” and “authority” in this regard.
Therefore, it is strongly suggested that English speakers use words such as “fascistic” and “tyrannical”, instead of using the unfairly-deprecatory terms “authoritarian” and “dictator”, in reference to rulers who exercise ILLEGITIMATE dominance over a populace.
authority:
the right to give orders, make decisions, and enforce obedience. See the Glossary entry for “author” for the etymology.
The notion of AUTHORITY is intimately connected to the person or body that originates something. The author of a novel is, by definition, the preeminent AUTHORITY over his work. He has the AUTHORITY to dictate how his book ought to be published, promoted, and distributed. Furthermore, he has the AUTHORITY to delegate such rights to another person or company, if he desires.
Likewise, a mother has full AUTHORITY over the children she (pro)creates. No sane individual would ever dare presume that a mother has no AUTHORITY over her own offspring! Similarly, as the head of his family, a father has the AUTHORITY to direct the actions of his wife/wives and his children. Of course, that father is not the ultimate authority on earth - he has his own masters, such as his own father, his uncles, his employer (if he is a worker), and most importantly, his spiritual master, all of whom should exercise their authoritative positions in relation to that father. Similarly, a true king (as defined in Chapter 21) has conditional AUTHORITY over his people, even if not every single one of his edicts is perfectly in accordance with dharmic (righteous) principles. A monarch’s AUTHORITY is compromised only in the event that his rule sufficiently devolves into some kind of unholy, fascistic tyranny. And if a king’s dominion was to devolve into such a tyranny, it would robustly imply that he was never a genuine monarch in the first place.
Unfortunately, *authority* is often conflated with the notion of *power* , by both the masses, and in most dictionaries. Theoretically, any person or organization can display a force of power over another entity, yet that does not necessarily signify AUTHORITY. Thankfully, power does not always correlate with AUTHORITY. If that was the case, humble, gentle monks such as Gautama Buddha and Lord Jesus the Christ would, of necessity, have very little AUTHORITY, whereas powerful governments would have the AUTHORITY to dictate imperatives to its citizens, when in fact they do not, as they are almost exclusively illegitimate (that is, against the law, or dharma). N.B. Read Chapters 21 and 22 to understand the distinction between a legitimate government and an illegal government.
Same here , in fact I used to vote labour ...recent years have been a big shock for me so many things I took for granted have turned out to be highly dubious , feel like I was sleep walking
Well done peter for inviting Carl on here. I love what he's doing with the lotus eaters and i enjoy hearing what he has to say. Looking forward to hearing from Nina, too!
As much as I like greek mythology, the naming was definitely a mistake.
Carl's great, however, he has surrounded himself with some less than great at the Lotus Eaters...
@@karlsilveronegot any specific examples? (I'm of a similar opinion with of the LE's, actually, just curious what bones you would pick)
@@Atamastra I specifically didn't name anyone in particular, I don't do that. It's just that some of the LEs are a little vitriolic, and bitter, it's a delivery that sours their overall message somewhat, and gives the impression that off camera, the conversation would be lacking the viewers restraining effect.
Beau, Connor, Dan and Callum?@@karlsilverone
Carl’s sunglasses low key makes him look like South Park’s PC Principal. 😎
yeah lol they're impressively awful. like he wants to look as terrible and garish as possible haha
Now I can’t unsee it.
If you read this Carl I'm a huge fan and mean this from a place of love but your style is trash. It's such a waste because you lost weight and look great.
You have the money now speak to your wife and get a new wardrobe. Including a fleet of tailored suits. Even Asos has a feature that will suggest clothes. No need to look like a games workshop advert anymore.
Why you assuming people's pronouns bro!?
I thought it had quite the The Matrix vibe to it:)
(Unfamiliar with both interviewees btw, but enjoyed hearing their views)
I absolutely disdain the liberal Christian obsession with "turn the other cheek". They totally distorted the meaning of the metaphor. Jesus said both a man can turn the other cheek to give forgiveness but you must defend the weak and your brother.
The whole sermon on the mount seems to me to be an exhortation, using hyperbole for dramatic emphasis, to go further in the incorporation of belief into practice, rather than a literal command to let everyone hit you in the face and do nothing and give everyone all your clothes and so on
@@jdarling5315 it absolutely drives me crazy when they do that. Jesus was absolutely clear that his followers must justly defend the weak even if it brings harm upon you. Weak western Christianity is what drove me out of the church.
@@pete6300 yes I seem to recall him driving the money changers out of the temple rather than letting them commit usury in a holy building and wishing he weren't morally obligated to let wrongdoings happen in front of him
@@pete6300 look into Orthodoxy
If working hard and not giving money to crack heads for more crack makes me not Christian, so be it.
I could watch this for hours. Carl Benjamin, someone I have followed for years, really showed me how incredibly deep and empathetic he is. I am very impressed.
He has grown incredibly, he was once incredibly clever but he is still growing. He claims to be an aethiest but even that is nonsense from the point of view he is coming from. He already speaks from a Christian perspective, in fact his argument for not being Christians is people are not Christian enough. That’s mad from an true atheist point of view. Fence sitting is a disease many people of my and carls generation 90s cynicism is quite the drug.
@@dorjedriftwood2731 he adhears to the christian values as those arae fundamentals of western morality without the religious aspect of a supernatural deity.
calling him christian or religious is not the proper label.
@@dorjedriftwood2731I think he’s got a point. I’m an atheist too but I could see myself going to church if it was still part of society. It’s something which helps keep a people together.
Like any other tradition. Except this one, despite being barely alive, is what shapes our understanding of the world in historically christian regions.
He's just a part of a right-wing echo chamber now, he used to be much more nuanced and wasn't beholden to a single group like he is now.
@anti-citixen-9852 Revolutionary France called. It wants its labels back. Left and right are cheeks on the same arse at this point. Universal suffrage has failed, in exactly the ways that were predicted it would over a hundred years ago.
Thank you Carl for your response to Nina regarding Islam in the West, Nina’s thinking on this does sum up everything wrong with Christianity at the moment.
Virtue signalling for some warm feelings about yourself, and working on the basis of a few people you know around you has contributed to the mess we’re in already with gender ideology etc, we really don’t need to go there with Islam.
The reason each of the outside forces against the West are so strong is because they have an ideology that unites them. Our ‘melting pot’ makes us weak and vulnerable.
Thanks for all you do, Peter.
Bring back the Crusades. Bring back the true faith in Christ ✝️
@@deathtdowChristian ethics got us in this mess. Bring back Paganism.
we arent a melting pot, we are a salade. islands of mixed and devided groups.
a melting pot would create a new homogenous group. we dont have that.
Hell Odin!
@@skymanifest8339 No, Christian ethics didn't get us in this mess. In fact the ethics that brought us to this point are anti-Christian ones. Marxism is fundamentally anti-Christian.
Paganism lost to Christianity and it lost without much fighting for the most part. Christiandom just took over, why? Because it's the truth. Jesus is the truth. So even if the Western empire crumbles, Christianity will survive and will pick up the pieces.
I'm a woman. I've never heard the difference between how our bodies work from men's articulated the way that Carl does here. It's beautiful, and if it's true, does help to explain many things. Not as the only explanation, but as a starting point. Men think everything can be controlled and created into how they want it to be. Women think there will be random things that are completely out of their control. This would lead to a man being more likely to want to be left alone to fix things how they want & a woman wanting someone to help keep things in control for them.
Not every woman or not every man, and it would not show up in "bad" ways in everyone. It would also make sense why men would tend to be more Conservative & women more Liberal (in American political terms). Conservatives tend to say we just need to make the playing field level and let everyone strive for themselves and they will do well. Liberals tend to say there are some people who need a helping hand to get to where the rest of us are. Liberals see there are things outside of ourselves that randomly impact the outcome. Conservatives see that everyone can work hard & get to where ever they want to be.
Interesting perspective.
So liberals are delusional? Yes demographically the biggest political divide and growing is between men and women. And the bitter pill is that women and their preferences have been an absolute disaster. Men have to take up arms and stop the rot. Take away the right to vote. Women and men are not equal and they never will be. I have through exhaustive argumentation come to the harrowing realization that women are biologically predisposed to being irrational and there is absolutely NOTHING that can ever change that and the entailment of this fact is that women cannot have equal rights with in society. It is an impossibility as demonstrated by the fact that women need special protections within society from men whilst simultaneously competing in an open marketplace with men for resources. This is a literal impossibility, an active contradiction, and cannot produce anything other than pure and utter chaos. Feminism was essentially a rejection of biological reality itself, which makes in no surprise that women have delivered transgenderism to us in current times. This is the insane musings of a woman’s mind and where are the men to put their foot down and stop it? They are currently saddled by the sanctions women lobbied for on speech the protections women lobbied for “marginalized” groups.
As a fan of both Peter and Carl, I'm super hyped for this video. Love the content, Peter. Keep 'em coming.
I am pleasantly surprised to see Mr. Benjamin as a guest. Jolly good!
Edit: I do however disagree with Carl to an extent, as it applies to the christians returning to their "crusader version".
I understand what Carl meant - I too wish for them to have a fucking backbone HOWEVER not to revert to a crusader or 80's puritan version.
Because if and when they do, us atheists along with the other religions will be their enemy.
If thats the route they want to take, then so be it but *I* have a backbone and wont make the situatiom easy for them or any other that wishes to forgo a live and let live mentality.
Bizarre crossover
@@auronxIf churches weren't virtually empty and membership on a downward spiral, I can't think how adopting a 'crusader vision' could ever manifest itself as more than an inspirational metaphor for keeping going.
Sargon still has fans? Guessing you’ve never seen his blood sports days
@@poopshoes7579 I did and he was based. Die mad about it.
The fact that people are flocking to the UK to suck up it's remaining resources and assets really speaks to how little prestige is left in the west.
There used to be an abundance of prestige and power, enough to export it to the ends of the earth but over the last 100 years it's shrunk and now it barely even exists in the place it spawned, the foreigners who used to have it shipped to them now come here to suck up what little remains and soon there'll be nothing.
That optimism and confidence will forever be gone surrendered by generations that took it for granted and consumed by those who got used to it.
The cultures that remain seem utterly incapable of creating a similar bounty or even a will for it.
The promise of what other cultures offer is really just a imitation of what came before.
Look at pop music as an example the West used to dominate in pop music it created it and developed it and it peaked with Backstreet Boys, Britney Spears, Spice Girls etc but then it kind of stopped, then Japan started building their own version of the pop distinct but built on the formula the west created and it started to decline somewhat and now Korea and China are aping that, instead of our kids consuming our pop culture they have to import it from Korea.
We don't build anything any more, we don't innovate and we don't even generate our own culture any more.
It was spilled on the battlefields of the world trying to defend civilisation.
Fact, with regard to the current situation. I'll watch anime over anything currently being put out at home. I resonate with it more--whether the heroism and determination of men, or the romanticism of stuff targeted at women.
That’s why I’ve already taken the next step. I live in Canada. The Prime Minister has even said we don’t have a culture. So even though I’m Catholic, going forward, I’m adopting a Jewish mindset. That is to say, since Canada no longer belongs to me, and Britain no longer belongs to you, then I suggest we see ourselves as a diaspora people. A people without a homeland. We are wandering goyim now.
Thank you! Carl absolutely nailed it at 32:48. It was like he stole the thoughts right out of my mind and articulated them perfectly.
Yeah didn't agree with all his points but that was spot on and I haven't heard that articulated before. But definitely taking that with me.
And at 17:04
Doesn't speak much for her own faith if she only slightly disagrees that all religions are equally good, Carl has an absolute point.
If you're not going to war for your faith why should anyone else?
It's like wearing Christianity as a costume it's not a part of the person just something that be put on.
All and equal is very broad and strong terminology.
Especially a Protestant who has to grapple with a new offshoot every 10 years has a lot more tolerance for others than Islam/catholics that claims complete and absolute interpretational singularity (although below surface exceptions).
As a Christian myself, I have to disagree more that all religions are equally good. But that all religions are equally evil. Being a Christian is not about following a religion but about seeking Truth and Understanding in the world. And the reason why Christianity isn't working in the world today is precisely because seen true Christianity in the world for centuries. Although we do still have few Christians in the world, it is only by the grace of God. None of our religious institutions are Christian. None of our "christian" leaders are Christian to our dismay.
Chr1stians are so nice theyre ineffective
War is a strong word. I will defend my ethos but only go to war when physically attacked.
@@Individual_Lives_Matter This. There is no need to go to war over ideas. What is true is true and God can sort that part out in His own time. Thou shall not kill is a commandment for a reason. Unless one's own life is threatened, they should not seek to end another.
Man, 10 years ago I wouldn't have expected to watch such a crossover. Especially you and Carl. It's been quite a journey for us all. This was great!
Carl's point about the male body being an extension of his will and we dont have to be concerned about it doing something we dont concent to. That is such an important point. I found that so damn difficult when i became ill with my chronic condition and that is exactly what bothered me so much. I lost my agency, lost my virility, manliness and had to become more feminine in looking for help and not being self reliant because i couldnt physically be and do what i wanted anymore.
Thanks for articulating that Carl.
XX are "human beings", and they are valued simply for existing. They are born "front loaded" with their value (fertility).
XY are "humans doing" and our value is measured by what we create and bring to the table.
And when our bodies don't function then we cease to bring value to ourselves, to our families, and to society at large.
Actually, I was just a little circonspect when I heard him say that, because there is one thing that men don't entirely controle: their erections! I'm sorry but it's true, and it can make them very anxious, weather they don't succeed to have one, or they have an unwanted one at the wrong moment!
@@mary-gael7633 Odd, I would say our erections are one of the greatest manifestation of our wills to do something... It is not normal to have an erection without direct arousal
I’m a woman and I feel like that too though - no one likes to feel weak or useless. It’s funny how men see such things as ‘feminising’. You’ve no idea how frustrating it is to be a woman and not be able to square up to big aggressive men when what you’d really like to do is punch them in the face. Imagine how it feels to be physically less powerful ALL THE TIME when on the inside you’re railing against it.
@@mary-gael7633 Good point, this could explain the strange behaviour many men seem to display as we approach the latter years
I like all of these people. Nina is new to me, but what a quick and sparkling intellect; and an intriguing backstory coming from pagan parents to Christianity.
Peter already has an interview video with her.
She still comes across as a satanist
she is wicked in a cool way ;)@@rcordiner
She's great. A total pinko back in the day, but she's on the right side of history now.
@@rcordiner If you don't understand what the word "pagan" means just say so.
I like how Benjamin, a principled atheist, is moved to invoke the supernatural to defend the importance of traditional gender roles.
The fact that carl is cognizant and honest about the obvious hypocrisy makes him a very endearing intellectual
And that's what makes him good faith in his arguments and hypocrisy, unlike many of his leftist critcs and haters. @@johnisaacfelipe6357
You can observe object truth without believing in the source of that truth.
@@33greenleaf how would he know if there is a source and, therefore, if it is indeed objective truth?
@@hvalenti he doesn’t believe in the source. He’s anti-theist.
This was fantastic! Such clear and concise speakers and thinkers. Loved how honest and open they were. Thanks Peter! 👍🏻
My gosh, Carl’s points on fatherlessness and the lack of focus on the actual fathers themselves. WOW. That’s heavy duty and such a good point.
I love the atmosphere of this video, i can feel the exact situation, like temperature, the breeze, the sun (great headlights for everyone 😄). This is like a sunday walk in the park with a deep conversation and i like to do it myself and i like watching other people doing it.
These are great. Fascinating. Please don't stop doing these, Peter.
I agree. Also, please keep doing them in dog parks :)
Great and lowly are RELATIVE. 😉
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
Carli is correct about the mosques and the king going on a crusade. And he would be correct as once they gain dominance, the followers would push out any other religion using whatever methods they feel are necessary.
Interesting discussion.
Fatherless is also a big problem for young women.
The push against the nuclear family is not something that is accidental. It's a key part in the current Marxist agend, which includes the attack on Christianity.
100% agree with you. I work in the Alternative Education sector. A very small percentage of these kids have dads consistently at home. It’s costing the British taxpayers an ever-increasing, eye-watering amount of money. In addition, the prisons are full of poorly educated, fatherless people.
Nina was a joy to listen to with how unbiased and honest she tries to be with all of her thought processes. I have a lot of respect for her after watching this.
“I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the father but by me.”
Christianity actually makes the claim. Many Christians today have been shamed out of making the claim.
Liberalism has already gone too far, which means conservativism has no purpose. Traditionalism is the way forward to create a better Britain.
One of the best episodes you’ve done. I’ve been waiting for more exploration into how traditionalism is the true opposite route to counter liberalism, not conservatism. As Michael Malice said, “Conservatism is just liberalism going the speed limit.” All ideologies are what they are in their core. Even if they stray, and even if centuries have past, they will eventually return to and accomplish the goals if their core. And liberalism’s true core is the French Revolution. Which inspired Marxism. Local to global. Thus liberalism’s core, its forever ongoing endpoint, is destruction forever. Destruction of tradition, family, Christianity, individual thought, history. It is the boot of 1984 forever. Conservatism offers nothing except slow surrender, offering nothing but monetary enrichment if you join their corruption game. They offer emptiness.
Brutal. So I was right about two things, all those years ago, during the cogitations of my late childhood.
Liberalism's logical extreme, endless freedoms, leads only to chaos.
Mindlessly conserving old ideas without understanding thoroughly what they're about can conserve good things, but can just as well conserve ancient idiocy.
Traditionalism, understanding what it is that you're conserving, its purpose, what needs brought about these ideas, their preservation and continuous application through time, this is the correct path.
No, liberalism is the belief that an individual is free to choose, as long as he doesn't violate the body or property rights of another. It's really simple and generally easy to enforce. Adding a bunch of fluff to it is where we went wrong.
@@mirceazaharia2094 The freedom of liberalism is not endless. It's limited by property rights. We own our bodies and the fruits of our labor. Why do people think it means unrestrained freedom?
@@Individual_Lives_Matter Because they are angry at wokeism, want to return to some form of theocratic authoritarian traditionalism, and need to take liberalism out in order to do that. The rights liberalism has granted to people--the abolition of slavery, women's right to vote, the civil rights movement, gay rights, etc.--must all be purged for this new utopia to take hold. These folks are not worse then those they oppose--they just don't realize that they're the same damn cheeseburger with some different toppings.
“We didn’t want this madness” yet at every turn the traditions of the time absolutely told you it would destroy society and it was madness. As if broader society didn’t overtly warn people especially the religious groups didn’t overtly warn people of the horrible slippery slope they were sliding in to. Everything people called nonsense including people marrying animals and reverting absolute debauchry in the worst way, was outspokenly insisted upon as an eventuality during the every turn.
Just for the record I’ve never been to church, never been baptised. I read the bible when things got hard for me
Sometimes I get on my knees and pray, I pray for strength, wisdom, understanding. But never for a solution
I’m often mocked for having religious beliefs, but I find they help
I wish you would have let us know you were there. I live in London and would have loved to buy to you a meal. Keep up the good work. I know your values. I agree on some fronts and disagree on others, but I love your approach. Same with the lotus eaters. Thanks for your work. Best wishes in continuing a much needed discussion.
We’ll be back in a few days!
I feel the same, but think about it. If Peter lets everyone know, he'll get the Posie Parker treatment. First, the woke, then the extremist Muslims will be there to harass him.
What a fascinating discussion. I loved Carl's insight that men are always in control of their bodies, but women aren't. This really is a great explanation as to the possible reason why so many girls feel uncomfortable with puberty, because they go from being taught that they are in control of their bodies, to a situation where they are no longer in control of their bodies and in fact become subservient to their bodies.
I'm also impressed that you convinced Carl to travel into London.
Also women are more constantly evaluated based on their bodies and at risk of having their bodies violated by others, which increases the feeling of it being out of one's control
Carl and I are friends.
@jayjaydubful But buy whom? I heard a really good debate between men and women the other day. The woman said that a ("man can wear the same suit time and time again, but if a woman wears the same cute dress more than once (say a famous woman on the red carpet she would be "shamed"). The man retorted by saying (and I think this is true), "no man has ever said, oh, she's wearing the same cute dress/outfit, it's only woman that shame other women for wearing the same dress/outfit. Men don't care". On looks, yes, men judge, but the narrative of, he has to be 6,6 make 6 figures and a 10 inch (ye know), seems to be a majority of women evaluating the opposite sex on their bodies.
It's also being a child whose body is becoming that of a woman, and having the world look at you in that way especially by men, there are many women, myself included, who have had some negative experiences while going through puberty and dealing with the often sexually inappropriate attention from men and boys our own age at the time, that makes us uncomfortable and want to hide away. I think this is at the core of many female issues like FtM transitions and the like.
@@buuny2233 Yes. I can't understand what it must be like going through that, but I do appreciate it isn't easy. Society doesn't treat girls well at this stage, either by explaining to boys and girls more clearly how strange this will feel for the girls, or by telling them that this discomfort will only be temporary. The Authentic Observer (YT channel) has talked about this very issue in a couple of her videos, which I found most enlightening.
Great conversation with honesty, integrity and nuance. This is a must see for all men and women whom have been disillusioned by current societal norms. The spiritual/religious piece is also very important as we are all lost in sea of hedonistic individualism. Nothing will change until we are honest with one another.
You could sell out Wembley stadium with this format. Incredible way of getting people to talk and finally listen to each other.
First developed by Kant?
No, it is more akin to Socratic Dialogue or Socratic Questioning.
I'd like to believe that you could, but people are much more interested in attending a footie match or a gig at Wembley.
I find Carl is a voice which is interesting sometimes. I can find a new idea that I can find value from and that is quite rare. He started as a naive and sometimes extreme voice but he is one of these people that are self educated and he is always on a journey towards a very reasonable place. Nina is still in the first stage of naivety, and I find it concerning that she doesn't find contradictions in her positions a problem. A reasonable person recognises that holding contradictory and unjustifiable positions is not ok.
Kudos to whoever set up the camera to capture the view.
Reid!
These street epistemology videos have quickly become my favorite things on CZcams.
This annoys me because this interview has almost nothing to do with Street Epistemology.
The conversation between Nina Power and Carl Benjamin on Hampstead Heath provided valuable insights into Spectrum Street Epistemology and the complex interplay between conservatism, liberalism, religion, and societal well-being. It's a reminder that philosophical dialogues can take place in the most unexpected of settings, and that engaging in thoughtful conversations can broaden our horizons and challenge our beliefs.
The exchange about the inherent virtues of being a man or a woman was truly profound. I think both of the guests made some very astute observations that really resonated with me as capital-T Truths, in a way that i haven't heard articulated before. It's rare that I watch a video like this and find myself in full agreement with both "sides" of the debate (if this can be called a debate), but these two seemed to really find a wavelength on which to communicate and explore ideas deeply. Very refreshing. Thanks PB for facilitating this!
Peter, Nina on 53 mins and Carl on 34 mins............these comments are priceless, genuinely. I watch lots of podcasts on cultural politics and i have never heard these points so beautifully made. well done yet again Peter for wonderful choice of guests and topics
I loved this conversation! Nina and Carl had an open, respectful and thought provoking dialogue about the differences between the two sexes and how we can maybe heal some our divisions. Please have them on again. I would love to go further into this topic with these two. Thanks Peter! Love what you are doing!
Great conversation.
Pity it ended so abruptly. Be really good to get those two in a longer form discussion.
best yet! thank you all three
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great debates Peter. Your choice of participants was great.
These discussions are the best
Being able to hear these two intelligent people answer questions freely
Peter the best mediator
Following from adelaide Australia
Watching the world
Please continue this line of interviewing
Excellent ♥️
Thank you!
Excellent Challenging Debate! Thank you all three of you.
Islam kind is just one thing tho, it's following the prophet Muhammad, and you can only debate about what that means so much when Muhammad provided a clear example of what's acceptable behaviour in Allah's eyes. All moderates are basically in an eternal struggle of coping and gaslighting themselves, rather than just admitting that Muhammad was a deeply evil man and a false prophet. Moderates who don't take the final step of apostatizing have a deep internal struggle going on.
Except Prophet Mohammed was a TRUE prophet. Mohammed however, was just the perfect man for the job, does not mean he was a faultless man. You have to understand, GOD wants something done and the prophets are instrument of His Will. Depending on the Need, he will pick a BUTCHER or a CHRIST. Being Chosen by God, does not mean you are some Paragon of Men, it means you are just the right tool for the right job at the right time. If someone like Mohammed existed now, there would be a JIHAD after Epstein Island. Good is not NICE.
Please comment on the channels, like Jimmy More and other leftists, who buy islamic victimhood and virtue.
I believe many are cynics at heart, deciding to suck up to those who are numerous, rich, and serious about violence just to be on the bullies' side, but there might be a few who are ignorant and open to facts.
Nailed it.
I just appreciate Peter's willingness to conduct a proper debateversation
I'd like to say this was one of the best but then I said that last time....
Lately they're all one of the best.
I absolutely LOVE this entire conversation! I’m a little jealous to be honest & evaluating my life- wondering why it is that I don’t have anyone around me that I can have these kinds of conversations with .. 😳
That was absolutely fantastic to watch. What exceptionally wise, articulate people of obvious integrity. Stands head and shoulders above 99% of the rubbish people churn out, without any real thought behind it, these days. Really deeply affirming and encouraging. Thank you.
Thank you Peter for your wonderfull work. It's a force for good.
I heartily agree!
Love these videos. Would love to see some done outside of the London commuter belt/South East area. I suppose so many areas, so little time is the problem.
This was so good. Love your content, Peter. Deserves so many more subs. I'll keep doing my bit to share it! Much love
A lovely honest discussion, with cracking points of discussion.
As per your guests, although atheist, I feel that perhaps distancing ourselves from our immediate moral roots (post-reformation religion) has some of the blame for the willingness to let stable and important social structures decay (the family).
I enjoyed it thoroughly - thank you Peter, Nina and Carl.
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What's lacking in Christianity is that there aren't enough Carl Benjamins in it
She defined conservatism in a few words better than 99% of american "conservatives" act it out
As a philosophical conservative (rather than the different political form in the US),I loved the conciseness of her definition.
I would remind you that acting out your ideals is much harder than speaking them.
@@fatmonkey4716I suppose we’d call them “normals” instead of “ideals” if they were predictably attainable
Damn that has a ring to it.@@silentb2084
We need to understand why the Anglo-sphere center Right has completely failed to conserve ANYTHING from 1945.
I'd put it down to them embracing Global free market capitalism.
Great video - it is rare these days to hear well thought out viewpoints by intelligent people. Thank you.
Amazing conversation! I found several new ideas to consider. Thank you all!
these get better and better, Peter! I hope more people watch these instead of staying inside their echo chamber
Great discussion, again. Thank you!
Great video enjoyed seeing you and Carl on the video.
If you ever go back to hampstead heath please let people know so they could watch you in action
From a resident in nw London
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Love Nina! Her book, One Dimensional Woman, is a classic. Wish she would team up with someone like Mary Harrington and/or Louise Perry or a wild match like Julie Bindel to podcast. Love from the west coast of Canada 🇨🇦 🎉
A liberal wearing Christianity as a skinsuit to further the destruction of western men. Yeah, what a great woman.
I must say, this was probably one of the best interactions i've watched, may be because they're not too far apart in opinion ,anyway all fun, i loved the perspective Carl described when talking about how men and women feel about their body.
Great video. Great format. Great location. Great guests. Carl's point about a man's body doing what he wants it to do, I can both agree and disagree. On the cellular scale our bodies are doing many things every moment of our lives that we are not consciously aware of but all necessary to keep the smooth running of our body going. There are certain things we can't Control also, this sounds obvious but things like going to the toilet or retching to vomit. At best we can slightly delay. However I suppose those obvious things are presupposed already in his answer and I do agree with Carl that there are things that affect women much more potently than men. I think back to my ex girlfriends telling me how their hormones affect their mood and behaviour in a very express way. Often behaviours that normally are our conscious decision to do, I heard "I can't help it. My body just does what it wants." When it came to things like snapping aggressively for no apparent reason. I never fully understood that. I don't think I've ever felt compelled to suffer such a different mood without a logical reason. It just doesn't make sense to me, as a man. I do realise it's much to do with chemicals and hormones though so I don't blame anyone.
This was the most salient and concise discussion on the topics I've ever heard. Thank you all, delightful stuff 🙏💋
The obvious mistake from the start was for them to have to define conservatism but not liberalism.
Current day neo-liberalism is actual literal fascism and has nothing to do with liberty anymore.
would the participants have answered in the same way were liberalism changed with libertarianism?
which is way closer to actual liberalism
But ultimately, rather pointless because that's not the liberalism we have. The polemics are against the liberalism we actually face.
Carl has written extensive rebukes of liberalism on the lotus eaters website. Also the only 'that's not real liberalism '. Sorry to tell you but fascism is a liberal ideology.
"Civilization is a house"
A crew is assembled, the ground is prepared, the foundation is poured, the framing is constructed, the interior and exterior walls are put on, the roof is put on, and the house is painted. Once the house is finished the crew hangs around, but the residents just look at the crew and then tells the crew "You're no longer necessary". And that's what women have done to men.
Women have been told for generations that their natural biological aim of bearing children is actually bad, a pollution, a destruction of the earth, or at least an inferior task and proof of their inferiority. It's difficult for many to accept such an insult without returning it in some form.
It would be nice if we could all acknowledge and adapt to the way technology changes our lives without mutual hostility.
Completely disagree with her- All religions are not equal and if she thinks she can just replace Christianity or Judaism with Islam she doesn’t understand Islam at all
That's the female in her.
she was the one that said they were not equal, she even pointed to scientology as an example. Anyway its not the mainstream religions that are at fault, its a cultural issue, Christianity lead to the crusades when it was interpreted in an aggressive way, now western culture is more tolerant. Where as many (not all) who worship in islam have a more aggressive culture
@@chronicles8324 . . . and what was wrong with the crusades? I mean the Moors conquered and ruled Spain for over 600 years. Do you look at the crusades as a bad thing because that's what you've been propagated to thing?
@@republitarian484 the Sack of Constantinople. The rest was OK.
@@chronicles8324the crusades were good
I love how well worderd the lady was. And correct me if I'm wrong but no one shouted or threw insults or said the words patriachy, transphobe, bigot, racist. So refreshing
Loved it, such smart people, pleasure to watch
American Anglican here. So sad to see the Church of England bow the knee to the culture.
As a devout christian (former atheist), I don't think I've ever agreed with an atheist as much as I do with Carl.
Why ? On a side point, how did you manage to go from not believing due to zero evidence, to believing with zero evidence, specifically beyond the very strong atheist point of 'faith itself is a proven broken mechanic' ? Faith being the bottom line of belief in gods of course.
@@DavySpikeMill Can you elaborate a bit on what you mean by faith as a proven broken mechanic?
@@Psyshimmer sure,a theisists very common bottom line usually is "faith", ie. I have no demonstrable proof of any good but I simply "rely on faith", I hear this from family that are Christian and others. Faith as a mechanic is useless, ie. I could lend you 1K fourteen times in a row and pay it back every time on time, I then ask you for 1k and of course you've total faith I will pay it back due to prior dealings, this time I don't pay it back and your faith is wrong. My professional sports team is in the best run of form in its life, today was are playing a team of amateurs new trip the game, obviously I have total faith my team will easily win, but we don't - just another example of how faith as a mechanic of belief can be very wrong. So obviously using faith to believe in a god that has zero proof of its existence is essentially in itself a hollow claim.
@@DavySpikeMill Ah, I understand. Thank you for clarifying.
@@DavySpikeMillYou mean "disbelieving with zero evidence". Other than that, pertinent question.
Loving every second
Amazing discussion. We need more of this on a national level. In all western Christian nations. We must get back to the morals that made us great.
Always loved Carl
Nina is new to me - and what a gem!!
What a beautiful backdrop to this video.
I could listen to Carl articulate society's ills for hours. He's so insightful and really helps you rethink your own positions.
I enjoyed this one a lot. Thank you Nina, Carl and Peter.
Nina has a wonderful crackling energy to her dialogue, which flows so easily and readily. She has a great handle on the issues and initially I felt that Carl was outmatched and he was in a bit of a sulk about it. However he held his own and made some solid points, playing the trenchant male unafraid to give it both barrels. I love that spot on the heath and used to go there almost daily some years ago. I must track Peter and the crew down one day to watch all these great speakers...
It's a nice spot. The clouds are lovely. I enjoyed Nina and I will check out her stuff after watching this vid. Carl *is* a bit sulky, but it might be the cold. He's probably wondering why the "street epistemology" has to be done outside. 😄
Great and lowly are RELATIVE. 😉
Incidentally, Slave, are you VEGAN? 🌱
Nina needs to study up on Christianity. It is entirely possible for Christians to turn the tide. The Reconquista is a good example.
Nina is the one who was self-contradictory. Sargon made a lot more sense
Great video. I’d like to see more conversations between these three. Nina “maniac” Power. 😀Carl would be “Warhammer 40K” Benjamin.
I was lucky to have great parents, and more specifically, a great father. It wasn't because he was rich (firmly middle class) or powerful (just a regular guy), or influential (a regular job).
He never took the easy path, he always put his hand up when he did something wrong/incorrect (but it was never a moral/ethical wrong), he was always accountable, he was always measured when he made decisions, he kicked ass only when he had to and I always trusted his (and my mothers) opinion when I asked for their advice and it was seldom wrong.
I cannot imagine children, and more specifically sons, not growing up with such a figure and expecting to become a 'real' man themselves. The greatest start a person can be gifted in life is two loving and responsible parents, a father and mother.
I grew up without a father. It taught me the value of being a strong and present father in my son’s life.
I believe I’m the exception though,and do not recommend my upbringing to any future children.
one of the bests for me, as Nina and Carl are so considered and intelligent. Fantastic viewing.
Carls always been great when it comes to religion. The Christians in the west are mostly secularists/westerners before their religion comes into play, their behavior for the most part are the same as those without religion.. It's why I have no issues with Christians in my own country, since they can be debated/talked to when they have positions I disagree with.. But Islam? The only Muslims you can talk to are also those who place western/secular values above their religion.. And it's not exactly a large amount of people.
Just the way someone like Nina can instantly come back with a clear, coherant description or analysis is very impressive, thry make it look so easy whereas anyone else myself included would be umming and aahing and think of something profound they should have said on the way home
It would be great to have polytheistic or neo-pagans and heathens in on these types of discussions to see a different view point other than purely Abrahamic religious perspectives. Enjoying the format of the show, it’s so refreshing to see real discussion also on one of my favourite old haunts of Hampstead Heath! 💚
It's great that you're working through some of the best thinkers of our generation Peter. Another great episode with honest answers and discussions. Thanks for sharing.
So I am in control of my crappy digestion, aching back, kidney stones, headaches , I could go on.
Who are these people?
Eat only fatty meat and eggs. Lift heavy things. Sleep. Repeat. If you don't feel better almost immediately, eat more meat.
Until recently ( the last 60 years) England has always developed very very slowly in terms of societal changes and it's been our strength. We haven't made knee jerk changes but have fought battles of ideas and I would say generally we've got most things right. That changed with Blair's malign influence and now we're in the mess we are.Everything he did has been to the detriment of the country. How on earth did we adopt hate crime legislation so ffffffing quickly and look where we are now. There are hopeful signs with Kemi Badenoch's changes on trans in schools but there is so much ground to be caught up. The Conservatives have allowed this to happen just so they won't be thought of as the "nasty" party and it was so easily avoided. I still think England is the best hope for western civilisation because of the innate qualities of the English people but there's no doubt we are in an existential battle. Great video by the way.
fantastic conversation well done.
Best one so far!
I'd like to know if Peter consciously chose Primrose hill because of it's role in 101 Dalamations as the point from which dogs communicate long distance during the evening 'barking'? Or if he has an unhealthy relationship with dog parks?
Sorry to be a bore but I think that's actually Parliament Hill, Hampstead Heath.
Thanks!
This was a really interesting conversation! :)
Excellent conversation from two of the brightest young minds in the UK today.
Carl doesn't know the difference between race and ethnicity... I disagree with the above..😂
Nina : "I'd prefer for people to be religious than to be secular"
Boggo : "any religion?"
Nina : "yes"
ffs.
"I know some lovely muslims, don't worry about the islamization"
She's a nut.
Nina's views on Islam are dangerously naive. But...when have the sheltered, nicey-nice middle classes - so convinced of their moral & spiritual superiority - cared about the impact of their luxury beliefs on under/working class women & girls. Or, come to think of it, Jews.
I think an interview like this would start her questioning her opinions about Islam.
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It is interesting that Carl Benjamin claims that an important masculine quality is the control of and familiarity with one's body. I wonder if this may explain disproportionate gender dysphoria presented by the autistic, who will often feel that they do not understand, or have the ability to reliably control, themselves.
I expect this idea collapses if gender dysphoria is observed at a comparable or greater rate in autistic females than males.
I think you are right & the idea doesn't collapse as both sexes experience similar physical dislocation/disassociation due to autism.
Other reasons are binary/black & white thinking (I like trucks therefore can't be a girl) and more likely to feel that one doesn't fit in so gender ideology provides a reason and a solution
Very interesting to hear Carls responses. He's a very well informed man that I agree with on the most part. He's talking a truth that we all need to hear and we should be well aware of what is happening in our country and where we're headed.
What an amazing interview
What a surprise - both participants and location (Primrose Hill has changed a lot - especially the view of London),. Great discussion from both participants, and Peter! A long time humanist, I dislike both organised Humanism and Christianity, but increasingly identify with Roger Scruton (a church organist), Douglas Murray (a cultural Christian)+ and David Starkey (a High-Church atheist). The Anglican Church (Prayer-Book Catholic) was my Alma Mater. Can't stand Evangelicals. The RC's are better - at least you know you are in la-la land.
What pushed you out of humanism in the end? I used to be a humanist celebrant so interested!
That's Hampstead Heath.