Ben Shapiro vs Destiny Debate: Politics, Jan 6, Israel, Ukraine & Wokeism | Lex Fridman Podcast
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- Ben Shapiro is a conservative political commentator, host of The Ben Shapiro Show, co-founder of The Daily Wire, and author of The Authoritarian Moment and other books. Steven Bonnell, aka Destiny, is a liberal political commentator and a live streamer on CZcams.
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0:00 - Introduction
1:36 - Liberalism vs Conservatism
6:49 - Education
23:06 - Trump vs Biden
43:31 - Foreign policy
56:28 - Israel-Palestine
1:11:25 - Russia-Ukraine
1:23:04 - January 6
1:39:03 - Abuse of power
1:49:01 - Wokeism
1:55:42 - Institutional capture
2:09:36 - Monogamy vs open relationships
2:14:29 - Rapid fire questions
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Transcript: lexfridman.com/ben-shapiro-destiny-debate-transcript
0:00 - Introduction
1:36 - Liberalism vs Conservatism
6:49 - Education
23:06 - Trump vs Biden
43:31 - Foreign policy
56:28 - Israel-Palestine
1:11:25 - Russia-Ukraine
1:23:04 - January 6
1:39:03 - Abuse of power
1:49:01 - Wokeism
1:55:42 - Institutional capture
2:09:36 - Monogamy vs open relationships
2:14:29 - Rapid fire questions
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Thanks again, Lex!
WE LOVE YOU LEX
OOOO
Love you, Lex!!! This is great!! Thank you so much for putting this together!!!
Love you Lex
Lex hosting the SuperBowl for nerds is a great gift to us all
Yeah boi!
YESYESYES
exactly how i thought of it😂
sadly destiny is like an expansion team that somehow ends up playing the patriots in this "superbowl"
This was dogshit.
Malcom Collins, the Venture Capitalist Stanford Grad Pro-Natalist would eviscerate BOTH of these clowns. js
Left vs. Right. Conservative vs. Progressive. Democrat vs Republican. Theist vs Atheist. Traditionalist vs Modernist. Man's name vs Woman's name. This debate truly encapsulated a lot. Thanks Lex.
Yes but the man woman shit
@@QueefMcGeesHousehes connected because hes jewish? Smh
Stripper* name
Imagine being on the side of the guy whos wife is currently getting resized 🤣@@QueefMcGeesHouse
@@QueefMcGeesHouse so i guess you're literally still flipping burgers or throwing newspapers on a bike like you did at your first job you tried to make by .. you are pathetic, i bet if you sit to debate face to face you begin to stutter and shake lol
Now this is how a real debate works. No talking over one another, no insults, just pure conversation between two different sides.
I never saw Ben under so much pressure before
Rarely see that on the narcissist internet
I had to double-check my CZcams settings because I thought I had set the play mode to 1.5x speed 😂
2:56 this part had me too 😂
Same!
Playing this at 0.25x speed so I can follow 👂 👂
Weird seeing you here man lmao didnt know you were based like that
😂😂 right
😂😂😂
Heyyy it's you I love your channel
lol exactly. I usually watch everything on 1.75 and these 2 are about the only people I cannot do that with. 😂
This is 100x better than any presidential debate will ever be
This should be the presidential debate!
If trump is allowed to gish gallop again it'll be 1,000,00x better
Because presidential debates are just political theatre
gish gallop ... @@IronBrigadeStudios
Its not so unlikely that either of these guys might do down that road in 20 or 30 years.
I'm less than one hour in and I already feel like this should be mandatory viewing for all high school seniors. The level of intellect, the respectful discourse, the deep understanding of issues...all are so good. This is what debate should look like. Thanks Lex for making this happen.
I'm 52 seconds in, I already feel these guys are not going to debate anything worth debating.
Destiny unwittingly damaged his argument that Trump seriously planned an insurrection by pointing out that none of Trump's own picks actually supported his election contentions. A true insurrectionist would have picked the right people to carry out his demands the first time.
No it shouldn’t. This was too one sided because Destiny is pretty much a Right winger.
@@retror.d.1630and you are obviously insane
@@revmsjDestiny is most definitely not really on the left, he’s center at BEST
I consider myself left wing but as an Irishman, what Ben said at 39.09 regarding European Taxation is 100% true. The middle class are taxed to death in this country to the point we have brought about the working poor. I’m not necessarily in favour of the US system, but our taxation laws are fucked
This might be the single best debate in the last year. No yelling, very few interruptions, solid moderator, many topics discussed. A debate that's actually not enraging or frustrating to watch.
Very true, most people are incapable of doing this
You clearly don’t consume much content then
Destiny isn’t a true representative of the Palestinian cause
Yeah its 2 people that respect each other beforehand. I think that has a lot to do with it. Both fully realize the other one isn't an idiot.
@@rebhi8 That’s correct because he’s openly pro-Israel 🤨
The friendliest rap battle I've seen
Toe to toe
Curly and Moe
Gonna find a foe
Like a Will Dafoe
Represent…tation
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HA 😂😂
bro this literally was hydrogen vs boost translated
1:25:04 something about seeing Ben Shapiro smiling at Destiny's commentary here is quite heartwarming.
Really get the impression that both are enjoying the debate.
2:14:40 here too 😂
I definitely think after this they’ll continue to communicate and maybe even build a friendship, they see more eye to eye than I thought they would.
@@artrex5481 I really hope to see more shared content from them as I really enjoyed this debate!
@@hipunpun have you watched the Jordan Peterson one? That one was more fun in my opinion than this one to watch, they get a little fiery at points, but are able to reel it in and in the end the even acknowledged those moments during a topic regarding force vs justice and emotional outburst in interpersonal relationships, very entertaining
Really enjoyed that too!
Thanks for the recommend!
(Also watched Destiny talk about his Shapiro debate and how they took pics & exchanged contact numbers after.)
This honestly has to be one of my favorite debates for destiny and ben. It felt like two people actually having a conversation rather than the huge spectacle i feel like everyone else is trying to put on usually. Neither of them attacked or insulted the other and i got to just genuinely hear two different perspectives and thats all i want
Thank you, 100%.
If only presidential debates were this substantive and good faith. This is what America needs.
imagine what cultural standards would change if this was the case. the bar for knowledge would be so much higher for knowledge. as of now its just a bunch of black and white buzz word cesspool word vomiting online. this type of dialogue needs to be on the main stage.
They used to be. Watch Kenny vs. Nixon 1960.
America doesn't vote for nerds. The last time we elected a nerd was Nixon.
For real... the presidential debates aren't even debates
3000% if you didn't say it, I would have. This is what we should champion.
It’s really a sign of how messed up things are that the majority of comments are people saying how amazing it is that two adults are talking…like adults.
It's because these two have studied the facts and have formed their own opinions. While the rest of society consume opinions then formulate their facts
@@jamescarbon3853 if you hit reply please reply to what I wrote, otherwise just comment on the video
@@jamescarbon3853I mean you’re not wrong implying that most people form an opinion then gather facts, but Ben Shapiro is one of them. I agree with him on almost everything, but when it comes to Israel, he time and time again exposes his opinion in the face of facts. To the contrary of facts. For me this was enough to stop following him. There are other people out there with a soul, with a heart, that have the same domestic ideas as him. Ben is a smart man, but that doesn’t make him right all the time.
On the Israel Palestine conflict, Ben is over his head and completely misguided and misinformed
We’ve had almost 8 years of polarized echo chambers bursting out like an H bomb. Fomented by people like Trump, like Shapiro’s company, etc..
@@sajedchreim7118misinformed in what way? It’s probably his special interest topic if anything.
Would have loved a final question for both. Have you changed Alan opinions after this debate
Lex can you tell them to speed it up a bit next time they're on?
😂😅
It’s actually insane how much more respectful and mature this was than the past few presidential debates
Long form, not just trying to grab legacy media sound bites
this is just a fun debate, presidential debate is more like selling yourself to the world so the people vote for you so it becomes more like making the other person look bad and stupid
@@poet99999 I prefer watching videos that are at least an hour.
But what percentage of people _prefer_ long form? Sadly, it's probably less than half of people, likely even less.
*Reply to:* _"Long form, not just trying to grab legacy media sound bites"_
Damn imagine this presidential race haha.
Destiny is not at the same level as Ben.
This is the longest I've listened to Ben speak without hearing an ad read.
Benji is a real money grubber and he's promoted outright scams.
@@gmancolo Well yeah just look at his tiny hat
Did you make this comment at work? If so I guess you and Ben can relate.
Lmao
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Great to finally see a calm, factual debate. Thanks Lex, would love to see another round (different topics)
💯.
This is what a true debate is like. Not yelling over each other, throwing insults, etc. You can hear both Ben and Destiny debate their points and at the end of each segment, both can admit to agreeing to each others points in some way or another. There's no egotistical view that they MUST BE RIGHT at all costs.
I sincerely thought my playback speed was set to 2x. I had to check.
0.75x playback speed works well. 😂
Lex actually slowed down the footage in editing
😆
Both fast speakers 😂
Same lol
We even got Destiny vs Shapiro debate before GTA 6
😂😂😂
Half Life 3
Have Nick Fuentes on
I thought this was an ad for GTA 6?
its gonna be on the radio in gta 6
So I enjoyed this-seems like an actual debate between a couple of guys on different sides of the fence from the 1950’s- respectful, curious, and still friendly- no freaking out, screaming, fighting, shooting each other-
Leftover school lunches should go to a food program whenever possible. Or be packaged for food for kids who arent food stable to take home and feed to their family.
How this isnt a common thought to anyone who says school lunch programs waste a whole bunch of food is ludacris to me.
LEX HOLD MORE DEBATES PLEASE, THIS COUNTRY NEEDS THIS! 🎙️
MUCH APPRECIATED 🇺🇸☮️
Have Nick Fuentes on
There are limits. @@jpg6113
@@jpg6113 yep, because listening to Ben Shapiro and destiny for more than 5 minutes didn't already cost me enough brain cells.
@@jpg6113ew no
Debate is not the end game of conversation you think it is. There’s no saving this country
This must be the world record for most words-per-minute in a podcast. It's closer to a rap battle than a debate
2 grifters debating. I'm Jewish by birth and first settler on the other side, but i don't grift politically so my opinion doesn't matter
They are both fast talkers, I have no idea who the second dude is but he holds his own regardless of how dumb his thought process is! I love hearing intelligent arguments regardless of what side the come from!
@@claywrangler1993so you are a grifter by birth or persuasion? Either way you are an idiot? Agree or don’t agree with what either, or are saying, you can classify anyone with an opinion that utilizes that opinion to make money as a grifter, but that fact alone does not marginalize that opinion
@@bpharaoh8765 who is the one you know then?
I listened to this on spotify and slowed the speed down to 0.8x. Highly advise everyone else to do the same.
Thank you for this content❤ it is so so necessary to “Keep it in the Conversation”
Here is what I have to say about education. I want to agree with destiny, but here are the problems.
1. What will they be taught? Western thought? Eastern thought? Marxism? We would HAVE to teach Western thought because the Constitution is based on Hume or Neo-platonism philosophy.
2. Bring back trades in schools.
This debate is 2 hours long but if you factor in relative talking speed it's really a six hour debate.
👍🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You are not wrong.
Hyperbolic Debate Chamber
true
@@instantregret7858hyperbolic lion tamer
Finally, a conversation at a natural 1.5x speed without having to adjust settings!
I missed a few words myself.
Am I so mentally ill that I can watch this on 2x speed?
@@zonehd3433that’s gotta be brainrot
@zonehd3433 I put it on 2x to see what it sounded like... it reminded me of the dude that used to name all the side effects at the end of prescription commercials back in the day lol
@@zonehd3433 No, I don't know what they all are about. I'm watching at 2x myself
What I like about this debate is that tho they disagree on pretty much like 80-90% of things as well as even proved one another wrong on some topics off and on is that they definitely seem to respect and like one another. Which shows that regardless of your political belief, people can come together and respect/like one another ultimately. I could be wrong but that’s what I’m picking up from this
That’s why conversations on podcast with people like you guys is so important because you get to see and hear both sides without name-calling without getting upset or taking it personally these are the facts this is what’s happening and this is why so thank you so much because I do care and I do wanna know why to everything ❤❤❤❤
i can't explain how refreshing it is to listen to a debate where when one person is speaking, not a single word comes out of the other one until their name is called and their opponent is finished. they just silently sit and write down points to rehash on when it's their turn but there's no interrupting, or like back and forth yelling or emotions. seriously so god damn refreshing
Fortunately Shapiro isn’t formulating foreign policies. He has the audacity to condemn the Houties and support the U.S. & British bombings thus espousing ultra right wing political ideology.
now lets look at the hasan card
Yes, very nice to see, you actually get to hear every point.
Did you actually watch the entire thing?
idk ben kept interrupting especially later on
The fact that Lex still only mentions the sponsers in the description, instead of clogging up the actual video just further enforces how real he is. He could be making thousands per month, instead he chooses to provide the purest experience. Legend.
He could be making thousands per month 😂😂 wdym, he is making thousand per month
@@hiddxnlxavxs3968man shut up bro
Making thousands per month 😂 Dude he makes thousands per couple days if not every day
Hadn't even noticed that, but massive +1
It enforces that he's financially comfortable
As someone who has a somewhat phobic reaction to debates, I found this presentation to be quite enjoyable and educational. Thanks Lex and all your team.
💯.
one of the most insightul and in-depth political conversations ive seen in a long time
Imagine if this was the type of discussion we had in Congress. Our country would be so much better.
Isnt it amazing that this discussion is free? They have real jobs. The time and money wasted in u.s government constant tug of war is just wild
Regardless of Biden or trump, you have two people who understand. We could never hope for so much in any country.
yes. left and right thinkers alike. and I personally would rather see them on the same debate team. Defending Israel for example.
@@tnndll4294 lets be honest they are on the same team.
People in Congress can't have this type of discussions because they represent interests they can't openly admit to. This is why most people think politicians are idiots who don't make much sense. They do if you consider it's a balancing act between saving face in front of voters and pleasing their masters, whoever they are.
Otherwise politicians are pretty smart. We just don't see it.
I'm not saying that these two should do a weekly discussion, but I'd totally watch if they did.
Maybe not weekly, but I'd totally go for monthly.
Need to add Alex Jones and I'd tune in for sure
@@egroendyk What passes for good for you then just curious?
@@egroendykhey buddy, hope you're doing well, just wanted to tell you to shut up. Adding nothing useful and you're wrong
They should have a podcast
Battle of the fastest talking androids
extremely civil...both men....excellent debate
💯.
I love how both let the other talk without interrupting!
I was shocked by this. Did you see the debate between Destiny and Glen Greenwood? 🤦🏻♀️
Destiny interrupted frequently
Because both are dealing in good faith and Factual information.
Yeah that’s what happens when you do in person debates haha
I wish this was the top comment. Respectful discourse is no longer the norm, and what we now normally see is disgusting.
Actually getting to watch 2 people finish their topics with neither of them interrupting each other? WTF IS THIS? Love when people can actually get their full point across without getting interrupted. It makes for a good debate.
Thinking Ben Shapiro has a point lol.
What are you talking about, Destiny wouldn't shut the fck up when Ben tried to answer questions, especially about foreign policy. Kept saying "one more question" or "one last time" and kept trying to deflect the conversation on what VERY little Biden did. Very annoying.
@@calvinhobbes5524 cope
to be fair they are both agreeing on a lot of things so ig the mutual respects comes from it
Ben has a persona to protect and maintain while Steven likes to do a lot of research not only about the topics but the person he is going to debate with.
you wont see Ben going beast mode yelling at people unless you watching tiktok "destroy" complications of rare occasions where ig he some sort of been rude back to someone else who was definitely rude.
sure I wish every debate would go peacefully but you cant deny that if you are not already well known on media having heated debates can and will bring more views
Disagree. Destiny was constantly interrupting with vocalizations. He wasn't butting in with disagreements but it's not the same is not interrupting.
I have greatly enjoyed this conversation. It is so refreshingly nice to listen to 2 Intelligent individuals from conflicting viewpoints have a civil conversation about politics. Thank you very much for doing this.And using your time.
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in my opinion Lex is the real MVP here. This is the first i have watched, and now have subscribed. i have never and i mean never seen a debate handled with such care and neutrality. It might not look like he does not do much but the man has reached the level cap in facilitation. I think that bad debates can be attributed to poor one sided facilitation and or cutting in and stopping the arguing party mid argument, it breeds frustration and can affect the mental state and the clear thinking of the debaters. Bravo I absolutely loved it.
YES!! ❤️
Ben finally having a conversation with someone who speaks as fast as he does.
Can anyone else keep up though? I feel if the two talk any faster they'll punch a hole in the space/time continuum.
Ben's faster... just saying.
@googleisevil8958 I enjoy when people talk fast, I usually speed up to 1.25x on videos but these two I have no need lmao
Two turbo manlets.
actually...in this case i thought they were noticably slower...
I've been waiting for these two to have a sitdown forever. 4 hours of debate in 2 hours.
If you play it at half speed, the video almost sounds like a regular conversation
@@pbjam2182 .075x is a good listening speed.
You must love dumb!
@@pbjam2182 That's the magic of CZcams - you can adjust the speed to your own liking and comfort, no matter how slow or fast the podcasters talk irl. It's incredible!
Sometimes I wish I could speed up videos more than x2, but certainly not in case of this particular conversation.
@@Seamannon the thing that sucks about it is you can't speed people's speech up IN REAL LIFE. I've gotten so used to listening to podcasts at 1.5x - 2.0x that now listening to people at their normal speeds is actually harder for me.
Im no supporter of child abuse but anyone notice how back in the day when a parent/a teacher could physically discipline a child to an extent (ie:making them pick a switch, having a paddle hung on the wall) both of which I experienced as a kid was very beneficial. Kids then respected authority. When you’re molded from a child to follow rules and have a set of core values you’re better off. Regardless of what anarchists say rules and values are what built the great societies we have today.
Absolutely, YES!.
This was a debate where both parties looked like they were having fun.
Incredible thing to watch.
I also think that despite their differences they actually respect and like one another.
It was actually a healthy debate and disagreement. As observers we didn't witness petulant smears, but an exchange of views and informations such as we now should have a better understanding not just of the topic but of the predominant views represented by these "sides".
Its stuff like this that makes diversity a strength.
Hoping for more destiny Shapiro content in the future but who knows
It's a little uncanny and a bit concerning that when previewing comments before I dive into the video, almost every comment is gushing about how wonderful it is that the conversation is civil. While I understand and sympathize with the overwhelming desire to have grounded conversations considering the state of public discourse...everywhere, this is a 2.5 hour video and the top comments are priming me to expect that very little of substance will be in the video itself because all the comments are ONLY about how civil the conversation was. Normally in videos, comments are filled with people zoning in on specific topics that get mentioned, discussing the specifics of what one person or another has said and either picking it apart or responding to it by adding further clarifying details.
When I sorted comments by new, things were a lot more specific and came across a lot less...performative/masturbatory, which made me more excited for the video. But the whole thing does scratch at a suspicion I've had for a while now that because our public platforms for discourse is so awful, some people conflate more heated discussions with bad faith discussions because people tend to get angry and heated when their opponents argue in bad faith. And depending on who you agree with, you won't notice the bad faith habits of your ideological ally in the debate but will notice all the bad faith arguments of your ideological opponent, which is why most modern debates are associated with performative rage-bait and polarizing audiences into even smaller echo chambers.
Throw in the fact that one side or another might start screaming back in bad faith defensively because the other side started it first, the whole thing turns into a mess really quickly. But good faith heated debates also happen, especially when serious topics are discussed. In fact, if people aren't getting a little heated in discussions about really serious topics, it's kind of a red flag indicating the possibility that the aesthetics of civility is more important than the lives affected by the politics being discussed. You run into a similar echo chamber problem running into reverse--whereas bloodsport debates are useless because nothing gets done, with the target audience being people addicted to rage, a debate running purely on civility politics becomes useless because both sides go out of their way to not challenge their opponents, to avoid controversial topics, etc etc. Anyone who cares about the subjects at hand usually end up not being the target audience--and the people who enjoy the debates are people who see politics as a game rather than a force controlling the lives of millions, often threatening their ability to survive.
I'm honestly a bit pessimistic about how this video will turn out. I hope very much I'll be proven very wrong and feel very silly by the end of it.
@@Hoberpopkin That was entirely too much to write before ever watching the fucking video. Jesus, STFU and watch it. It's Destiny and Ben Shapiro, if you think they won't have passion just because people said they liked the discourse, you don't know these two..... They live for this shit.
This was so much better than I was expecting. Both of them are known to be fiery but damn this actually felt like a meeting of minds. LOVE when debaters aren't screaming!
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Ben vs destiny was as if ben read the whole article and destiny just read the headline. He just didnt know the details on anything.
@@ThaDonJsuanthank you for noticing that. Props to Destiny for being civil, but to anybody capable of following their points. Destiny would make a superficial statement that sounded good.... Until Ben dismantled it point by point with in depth facts
They are two sides of the same coin They are both ultra liberal
I think anyone that thought going in to this that there'd be anything other than well reasoned arguments and respectful dialogue hasn't watched very much of their content.
I hereby nominate ale for the Nobel Peace Prize. This is the most civil conversation between these two major ideologies I’ve seen for as long as I can remember . The shear number of issues that remain unresolved between these ideologies was astounding. And yet, the number of times they agreed was admirable of all parties.
Yes!!. ❤️
This was a fantastic discussion. The world needs so much more of this. Talking and keeping human connection in the face of different views and values is vital to society.
I turned it down to 0.75 speed, but now Lex sounds like he's had a stroke
😅😂
😂😂
This should've been like 4-5 hours tbh. Feels like they could cover so much more ground. What a pleasure to listen to both being well mannered and considerate
They need to start a series
Lex said it’s part 1 didn’t he
they both speak fast enough that it was
5 hours and continue taping while they have pizza/beer together.
@@lybnychavez6953 yeah but who knows when they will actually reconvene. Could be over a year even more. I'd love a bit meaty part 1 to tide me over.
Hell I'd tune in weekly for a series lol
I had to slow this down to 0.75 to be able to keep up with them lol😂.
Israel doesn't need justification in the Golan Heights?
Democrat, you seem to have forgotten that Israel won the Golan Heights in a war. The Golan Heights is also of very great strategic importance.
This debate is how I imagine it would look like if the embodiment of Adderall debated the embodiment of Caffeine
I'd say more like meth vs cocaine
Wait which ones which?
Someone needs to check for some Guinness Book record for meaningless words said in an hour or something
LOLLLLLLL FACTS
@@joeyg29jgjg Yes.
This is low-key how presidential debates should be throughout the entire four years before election
these people should run for president. but the broader political system would crush them.
Joe would fall asleep 10 minutes in, lol🤣
You want an incumbent president to waste their term having debates like this instead of running the country?
If only presidential candidates were as cordial and respectful as Ben and Destiny. Sadly most people who seek political office are power hungry and not decent people.
What does the term low-key mean? Did it replace “true” as the next generation’s nonsensical overused catchy sounding word?
Regardless of one’s political views Ben Shapiro deserves respect for maintaining a Modern conservative position and framing the talking points and statistics to reflect that in an intellectual way.
Both of their foreign policy positions were generally well formed and the discussions on Israel were some of the best positions for a possible resolution I’ve heard so far.
I comes down to just saying a loud that having kids out of wedlock causes problems instead of trying to blame it on institutional racism...
We don't have to agree, but we can respect each other.
love to see one my favorite channels here
We respect eachother, but you dont use logic, so we ll dismiss u justifiably
@@d4mterro320what does this even mean?
One of the greatest channels on YT. Thanks for everything you do ❤
Not if you advocate violence
I enjoy this type of debate. No screaming over each other. Just a conversation where the content is more important than the show
It’s respectful conversation from both sides. It’s obvious that they both feel strongly about their opinions but are able to create space to prevent tension from boiling over. This was a really great and interesting listen!
I believe we should call for a referendum made by true original land owners (Palestineans, including native Palestinean jews) and they decide the state they want.
Simple. Very simple.
It's not a thousands of years matter.
Zionism is danger and should not be adopted by a state.
@@youssefdiraniwhat’s so dangerous about it?
God I hate these comments and I remembered why because there's no actual substance in them.
I'm looking through these comments for what one person said and it's COMPLETELY OVERSHADOWED by "oMg what a healthy conversation!"
I don't care! Yes, these are two people who realize civility looks good, now can we talk about what was said?!
I think the biggest part that also drives this debate is that they find common ground, and see where their similarities in idea are. It’s important to separate facts and common ground from opinions to keep the debate healthy. It’s about the ideas they believe, and not the person themselves.
Honestly, we need more of this in everyday life and universities. It’s important to band together as US citizens, voice our concerns, but also find common ground to make sure everyone can prosper.
I was about to slow down the speed to normal and then realized it was already in normal 🤣
This is how our politicians and presidents should be. Smart. Respectful. Reasonable. Not the completely corrupt out of touch dinosaurs we have now.
💯.
Finally a conversation between people from across the political aisle without constant interrupting and name calling and cheap insults, just comparing each other's ideas and trying to see where the other stands in relation to them. These kinds of conversations is what we need in an increasingly divisive world instagated by social media. It's certainly way more constructive than the 10,000th "Ben Shapiro DESTROYS leftie college student" debate about the culture war.
I had some buddies tell me it was boring and I laughed. This is how the conversation should look, if you want children arguing then watch actual politians. LOL @countbaldwin - Great comment!
I wouldn't call Destiny a far leftist
I mean, you could label this one as "Ben Shapiro DESTROYS leftie cuckold" and it would still be accurate. Destiny spent at least 30 minutes whining about a merry go round when he was the one driving the carousel.
Destiny didn't do any better except maybe studied before the debate since it was a predetermined debate. Ben destroyed him on on debates that had to do with western society since he has facts on his side. geo politics is wanky since it includes foreign countries who do not have same laws as us. American politics destiny just crying trump is bad orange man. This debate was just Ben explaining how everything works to destiny.
@RicardoRangel-ll7dp I agree to a large extent, I'm just really tired of the word "destroyed." I also appreciated the honestly and civility.
Its such a breath of fresh air to leave a debate and NOT be either frustrated, annoyed, or left learning absolutely nothing .
You guys did a great job. Very respectful.
Thanks for your comment, we deposited your shekels in your account. Sincerely, Dem boys.
Nice! Did you change your mind about any of the topics discussed or did you find despite convincing arguments and it being a "breath of fresh air" that you still believe in exactly the same things you did prior to the video?
Indeed!
@zipzzo Could you possibly have worded that more passive-aggressively lmao
lmaooo not possible but i am interested in the answer @@metaljacket8128
Idk how many times I had to check if it was 1.5 or normal speed.
Hum... Could you guys repeat please? Like, everything from the beginning? And in 1/5 speed?
What would it take to make this a weekly podcast? Maybe a 10-part series? This was the most respectful disagreement I’ve ever witnessed and the world needs to see much more of this!
I honestly didn’t see the appeal. It was just Ben walking destiny around the track for 2 hours
@@johneaston8314Wrong
@@johneaston8314 How do you even come to this conclusion? Bro, how do you even see reality in such a way to allow you to come to such a conclusion?
I’m willing to bet you watched 10 minutes before going into comments and just assuming everything based on the fact that you aren’t able to pay attention long enough to realize this was a back and fourth style of debate.
All 3 should be laughed out of polite society.
@@davidhoffman2311 insulting me rather than addressing what I said.. you didn’t get that from the video. What argument or position in this entire “debate” did destiny win on?
Why is this CZcams video stuck at 2x speed?
For real haha, I did check
it's catching the drift of how fast Ben Shapiro talks.
Lmfao trueee
Because of Lex …dude is mega slow compared to Ben 🤣🤣
It's multiple/most videos doing it, some glitch lol
I had to look whether play speed was 1.25x or 1.5x, turns out it's just normal speed
I feel like if you’re in politics you should be thinking about how POLICIES can support societal changes. If Ben believes religion and household morals are the overarching and main problem then he should focus on that. If you don’t believe better policies and a better system can create positive change then why are you in politics???
So, the longer I listened, the more I appreciated the effort of the two; to allow (respectfully) the other perspective!
Gay. We have a trump derrengue syndrome heavily affecting Destiny. Ben couldnt care less about trump
but still democrap be like, its all conservatives fault. Don't believe your eyes and ears.
You mean Shapiro schooling this guy on basic economics lmao this isn’t a debate or a discussion this a pleb bringing up talking points and grasping for affirmation
Ben will kill anyone to take people's lands. He proved this in all his pro Israel war reactions. The guy is like satan
Ok but doesn’t change the fact Ben doesn’t represent enough and Destiny is a moron basically
It's so weird watching a debate where people are not constantly trying to talk over each other.
exactly. Or the host is strongly favored against one side. The Ron vs Newsham debate is so bad like kindergarden play.
@@jayzhou104Well yeah, been to Cali lately. It's a s***hole
As far as this one goes. You have a Harvard law school grad correcting a streamer with TDS
This!!!
This is tame.
@@davestuddaman8127 which himself described as total useless unless you are a stem major. I wouldn't use degree as a way to silence someone. Destiny makes great points.
This video was absolutely FANTASTIC!!.
I loved every single second of this debate.
BOTH of them were amazing, and it made my day.
Very impressed.
Thank you, Lex!!
I see and hear an undercurrent of confidence, happiness and lightness that Ben maintains vs. the unease of Destiny. I think that is what the firm belief in the one true God can offer you. Destiny is getting close, keep going brother! Pick up that Bible with an open mind and an open heart!
I wish there was a way for me to lower Ben and Destiny to 0.5x, while simultaneously increasing Lex to 2.0x speed. C'mon, CZcams!
Gotta talk as fast as possible so the other person can't keep up and address all the gobbldygook
Oh man. I was reading your comment while listening to Lex say the intro and I immediately thought of Stevie from Malcom In the Middle
Lol on mobile you can set it to 0.75 or 0.5, and then when Lex speaks you can hold your thumb on the screen and it toggles to exactly 2x until you take your finger off.
I know this was probably a bit of a joke comment, but I’ve found the 2x press-and-hold feature legitimately useful 😄
@@Michael-kp4bd Didn't know this was a feature thanks. I tried it on my computer web browser as well. Looks like it's not limited to mobile. You can do the same 2x trick by holding a left mouse click.
I actually thought 0.75 was good for Ben... I wanted 0.85 for destiny. And 2 for lex 😂
Please bring them back for a part 2. The format was perfect.
Agree
Please don’t show these idiots again absolutely baffling 😂
It should be Ben and someone else from the left like Kyle Kulinski
Ben would completely destroy Kyle. Longtime listener, but he's lost his touch
@@kevinhoang9074 That would be a blood bath. Ben would demolish Kyle. In the liberal - left - atheist - antTrump side there are only two people who can compete with Ben - Destiny & Sam Harris. The list is Finite.
U can see these two men have great respect for each other
Destiny didn't have that much respect for Jordan Peterson, who thinks more before talking. Ben is closer in style with Destiny, both fast talkers.
@@han1218Destiny learned from Peterson not to “play games”.
When Destiny starts losing, he starts dragging the debate off the rails to where he says things like, “how do you know the sun will rise tomorrow”.
And Destiny’s fans will think he is the next Aristotle for asking that. 😂
I would have never thought that there was someone that could talk as fast as Ben Shapiro
💯 ❤️.
Haven’t seen a logical discussion of ideas like this pertaining to the right and left in probably 5 years.
No name-calling, attempts at ‘gotcha’ moments, constant interrupting, etc. This was refreshing.
An actual well done debate.
Let me help you out Ben, this argument is to point out that trump is unfit for office. Anyone with a couple brain cells and a modicum of integrity knows that.
It’s because Destiny is one of the few liberals that can actually debate, you can put him with almost any conservative and it’ll go well. Most of the liberals I’ve seen debate instantly go to personal attacks and constant interrupting like they’re afraid to let them speak a full sentence.
Destiny was a bit more tame here than he has been. Lately he has been terrible in debates, just gets so worked up he sounds manic, talks over people, etc. Here was better, though a couple times he got a bit into patronization.
@@treshawndeandrelol that comment can easily be made by a person on the left referring to the right. The reason why most debates are not civil because of people like you who assumes that the other side is always argue in bad faith
I love that the moderation was only there to ask questions, and these two allowed each other to make their points. Can you imagine if this was the standard for a presidential debate? We might be able to actually have an informed vote.
Lex is the man!
Oh it should be... But the people in the debate can be the issue
Not likely to happen cuz these 3 men are very intelligent, articulate, and respectful individuals. I'm not saying they are saints or care particularly about every person, but these guys are relatively fair level headed and real. The personalities that usually succeed in US politics today are sensationalist demagogues who function on mob mentality and will say whatever they have to WIN PEROID.
A Russian Jew, Zionist, and Liberal Jew walk into a bar. Everyone boos. Go home - nobody wants your propaganda anymore.
@@keegansillaots4327 Non stop yammering.
Maybe there is a reasonable backstory, but it is extremely difficult to take an adult seriously when they call themselves Destiny.
It's good that Ben is not distracted by a lot of questions before talking about foreign policy.
This was probably my favorite debate I’ve listened to in a while. Both were very respectful, made solid arguments on either side, pretty much no interruptions or speaking over each other, and everything flowed well.
Trump knows how he lost is the problem!!
They’re both vile Zionists, this is barely a decade.
@p0tatobiden250 good boy. You listen so well. Now vote for who we tell to vote for.
Why?
@@markcrnkovich ?
I love how they're both very respectful and take the time to listen to each other's arguments. All while coming up with a well though-out rebuttal without attacking the individual. Kudos to both
best debate I've listened to
Kudos for being a grown man having a respectful conversation? The world is doomed we gotta praise the bare minimum, it’s the equivalent to a woman saying she’s independent
It was kind of mind numbing. The whole thing was Ben saying what he thought, destiny saying he doesn't agree, then Ben rebutting, then destiny saying he agrees 100% with Ben... Butttttt
@@poodie3887 bad morning?
@@poodie3887are you okay
These guys seem to know so much but their goals are social. These dudes should be running for president. Lmao. They actually only have opinions.
It's unbelievable how much was said in like 20 minutes that my brain hurts from comprending it all. This is the most interesting conversation ever.
Debates without insults are the best
Although i loved this, the odd one where people are at each other throat is enjoyable as well.
I prefer the insults.
@@richardhands904Having a mix is definitely good.
no insults?!? Ben called Destiny a Republican in the fist minute!! haha
Except if Alex Jones or Trump are participating
This is golden having two ppl who are known for speed taking having a 2 hour discussion
Imagine this would have easily been twice as long if they spoke normal speed
Lol if you go into settings and adjust the playback speed to .5, it will sound like a normal conversation. Just kidding but if you actually listen to it like that it sounds like 2 16 yr Olds getting stoned for the 1st time and having a deep conversation.
All I hear when either of these two talk is the murloc aggro noise.
@@Eldeecuemlghrhhghhghgrhhg
They are both fast speaker...Thought I had it sped up for a minute there.
The speed at which Lex speaks compared to those two is hilarious XD
Gotta comment on the incredible debate skills (and more importantly manners) exercised here. Wow. Absolutely blown away.
The fact that Destiny was the first to use the word "Hypothetically" in a debate with Ben Shapiro is shocking.
are you alluding to the fact that ben shapiro only debates with those of lesser knowledge
@@coniuro9515Ben Shapiro is of higher knowledge than the majority of people though
Destiny just demonstrated a greater reason why to vote for Trump instead of Biden, regardless of your position, liking them or not. Voting for Biden is like admitting publicly that your an idiot and you only wanna be part of the pack and not use your reasoning.
@@eugenioasanchezperez1406 Voting for Trump after all the shit he's done is probably the most retarded thing I've seen conservatives justify. If Biden or any Democrat tried to bring fake electors to overturn an election, y'all would be claiming "deep state" and attempted coup(rightfully so). Not even factoring his legislative failures and inability to unite or compromise on policy.
Beat him at his own game
2 hours of arguments, and not a single personal attack.
First minutes in destiny alludes to Shapiro being on the conservative Merry go round. While telling us AC is the reason kids aren't doing so good in schools
@@beastwithin73 don't underestimate the importance of the mighty AC
@@beastwithin73man if you take that as a personal attack… yikes.
@@beastwithin73he used the AC thing as an example, that is 1 of the 1,000 problems to why kids aren’t doing well in schools. let’s not harp on it
@@beastwithin73 Science does put things like AC as an improvement to kid's education. Sorry, but facts over feelings.
This was so amazing, thank you to everyone involved in making this happen. We need more intelligent, respectful, and honest discourse between opposing views on topics like these on the internet and beyond.
This feels like a conversation between my sober self vs I smoked a bit more than usual
I love how it starts with them just naturally disagreeing. All Lex had to do was intro them and it all started from there
i feel like their intros are synonymous in form. they both want the government to incentivize "good" things. and names those good things as constitution and bill of rights. but destiny is saying they should incentivize maslows heirarchy for those in need so they can enjoy those freedoms. otherwise its a slippery slope of trickle up power
Yeah...that's the point. The most important thing to highlight is that it was done respectfully.
Deep and respectful conversations like this are exactly what our country needs at this time. What a breath of fresh air when measured against mainstream news segments.
I live in England and this extreme polarisation to the point where you're expected to dehumanise and hate with a vengeance people with a different point of view, MSM along with social media has fueled that mentality and it's happened here and in other western countries Canada, Australia and it came from the left leaning media, I'm Gen X voted Labour left wing till they started with the extremist must hate anyone with a different political opinion, plus the BBC and Sky News tell out right lies, I can't believe to get get half the truth I've had to turn to right-wing Conservative news outlets, the BBC as been very antisemitic and anyone that voted Brexit,( I would have voted leave if hadn't been in prison at the time) the BBC literally did everything they could and Labour to overturn the result and the BBC are meant to be neutral because their publicly funded and they pushed the all Brexiteers are racist and stupid, but the EU have had terrible policy for the UK the freedom of movement meant all the people in poor EU countries just headed to Britain for benefits and take advantage of healthcare family benefits and like the illegal migrants they abuse the system and instead of trying for asylum in the first country they head to the UK because were soft, just had an Afghan refused refugee status twice and after exposing himself and sexual assault, got a vicar to claim he'dbecome Christian and he's done a chemical attackon a woman, the leftwing has been taken over by Islamists, Destiny seems to be able to listen and see the useful idiots backing Hamas and Islamic extremism, it does make a change to hear a respectful disagreement, I was not a fan of Trump but he was much better for America, Biden is a straight crook, Putin isn't a nice bloke but Ukraine is a corrupt puppet government American foreign policy in Ukraine and keeping Russia as the boggy man instead of working to get the Russian to feel part of the west after the end of the cold war hasn't been a great idea and UK is just the same, now in the middle East the two western countries involved is the US UK, but you'll never change Islamists they're indoctrinated into the death cult, Iran is trouble and it's true what Sharpio with Iran there's no talking to the religious crazies, it was Britain and the US made Iran what it is today, women used to walk around in bikinis, the left has taken an extreme Islamist view, but Destiny has looked at the problems and gets the Israelis can't not get rid of Hamas and it's not just the leadership of Palestine the people have been indoctrinated to hate Jews, they have a kids TV programme a mouse Farfour telling small children to hate Jews and they both know the problems, agree on some ways to deal with it, if Destiny watched a few CZcams channels, people in Gaza blame Jews not the government for their problems and not Hamas, year's of indoctrination, Sharpio is right about Trump wasn't insurrection the Democrats weaponising the DOJ to try stop him from running, both described as poles apart but they seemed to agree on a hell of a lot more than they disagree, I think for them to do this on a regular basis maybe do a podcast together and show that two guys with differences can sit in a room and I think they could be genuine freinds unless I miss read that debate they both seemed to enjoy it and those laughs and smiles seemed real and watching them might make people take a look at their cultist views and one day start go for a beer and speak to that family member they disowned over voting differently. The only thing was Destiny thinking he could be a third term POTUS was a touch of TDS, if we keep this polarised attitude towards each other the country won't heal, the woke junk white privilege is BS needs dropping, here in the UK it's white working class boys doing worst in schools. This is what people need to see even when they disagreed they found some common ground.
You and many others are misled. "The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum"
@@BK-hq7tnagreed.
@@BK-hq7tn with all due respect…just sounds like our leaders already got us obedient 😂❤
@@BK-hq7tn What are some unacceptable opinions u perceive as being limited?
Best debate I’ve ever seen, I love watching Ben and Destiny.
i recommend 0.75 play speed.
it is actually more natural speed to listen to them