How Israel built the best jetfighter in the world... then abandoned it
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fighter jet same design like this :
israel : lavi ❎
france : rafale ✅
uk : eurofighter typhoon ✅
usa : f-16 delta ❎
ussr : mig-ye 8 ❎
chinese : j-10 ✅
sweden : sa-39 gripen ✅
All they did was move the horizontal tail surfaces in front of the wings that moved back and became a delta configuration!
That? The best according to who them lmao. Why do they buy us fighters
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It’s like an F-16 and a Mirage 2000 had a baby together.
I do see the flaw in the design. The wings in the back with canards makes the aircraft stable. The F-16 likes to be unstable.
The lavi was more unstable than the f16. It had a negative static margin compared to the f16s nuetral one. This was due to it having a revolutionary flight control computer which allowed for more complex programing for different flight modes@@WolfeSaber9933
My first thought was an F-16 and a Saab JAS 39 Gripen upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/Saab_JAS_39_Gripen_at_Kaivopuisto_Air_Show%2C_June_2017_%28altered%29_copy.jpg/300px-Saab_JAS_39_Gripen_at_Kaivopuisto_Air_Show%2C_June_2017_%28altered%29_copy.jpg
Although since it has the canards it might be more comparable to Israel’s Kfirs
@@WolfeSaber9933this one is inherently unstable too. Iirc it used the f-16 flight computer for that reason
This is the only time I applaud the sponsorship ads. The bias and double standards of media regarding the Israeli Palestinian conflict is absolutely revolting.
Thank you for actually speaking about that issue.
I have Prime, what were the Ads?
@@fordwk i was talking about the sponsor in the video
You are one of those idiots that pays for that yet you can get an ad blocker for free @@fordwk 🤣
Wdym? Who are they being biased against, cause so far they seems pretty fair.
@@matanelsiboni9269 both sides. Neither side is giving actual facts
The same reason why Canada’s Avro Arrow was abandoned. The Americans were terrified that someone else had something better!!
What's more is that later on IAI would go on to work with Boeing and Lockheed to make specialized variants of the F-15E and F-16D, that being the F-15I and F-16I respectively, which the Israelis have gotten a lot of use out of
Singapore’s F-16D+ was based off the F-16I too
And the f35i
Do you have source for this information?
It’s literally everywhere, Lockheed Martin have collaborated with IAI to allow Israel modifications which added Israel avionics to the F-16D+ and F-35 which later named F-16I and F-35I@@ParallelComparison
And also Boeing with the F-15E@@ParallelComparison
It's a bit odd, but worthy of note, the the 'Kfir' is shown in the background, often in USAF/USN "F-21" livery. It was used in Top-Gun and Red Flag as a "mimic' of "Other Nations" aircraft, and could give most US fighters absolute fits (well, until the F-22 Raptor showed up). The Kfir was a Mirage-5 Delta-wing (not an F-1 nor type-IV) that had extra Flaps, and importantly, fore-mounted Mini-Canards that had quite a range in 'Pitch' change (rumored to also be used in 'roll' by having one "fin" at a different "pitch" for a moment or two), giving it an Edge over even the F-18 in 'tight-turn' gun-fights in the "Upper-Left-Corner", which must've ticked-off the Navy Brass!
Also, unlike the Mirages that have SNECMA Atar engines, the Kfir had a GE J79 power plant.
Kafir Block 60 can compete with F16
Yes, saw the F-21 at Mather AFB a couple of times and it was crazy seeing it with US markings.
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Belgium built (one of) the best fighter in the world in 1937, the Renard 36-40 series, abandoned it too, and was attacked by germany while still using biplanes
And surrendered after 45mins against Nazis😂😂😂
@@user-zx5yd4cf3y Yeah ... no need to repeat the hell we went through in WWI. 3 years of frontline in the middle of West-Flanders...
It's like the F-16 mated with a Typhoon. It's a beautiful baby too.
F-16, Kfir, and Typhoon
For like the f16 and jas 39 gripen, its like spitting image but with f16 single air intake
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@@RussianFans-vn6cjif you have the Torah, then every other book is either redundant or false. The Torah is the only verified word of Gd as the entire nation of Israel witnessed Gd speaking with Moses, thus confirming Moses as a true prophet.
Its look like china J 10 jet fighter
Crazy how such a small country is so technologically advanced
Just shows how the rest of the developing world could be like if they'd actually make the effort.
its being spoon fed by the US@@kdrapertrucker
@@kdrapertruckerdude their defense industry and entire nation lives on us subsidies. Our tax dollars pay for their free healthcare while we’re stuck with $10k deductibles.
The level of western support is of course a great help.
Besides my personal assumption that more democratic policies allow for a greater flourishing.
@@kdrapertruckerThat’s like telling homeless people to “Just buy a house”
As a Canadian this one really hits close to home
The Avro was a very S#xy looking jet
AVRO CF105
its really sad the way Americans acted like mobsters dismantling the Canadian aviation industry .. and making sure nothing will challenge their fighter jet monopoly
@@Mirpurmad Last time I checked it was the government Canada voted for that destroyed the program. But hey why let facts get in the way of your narrative.
Yep same reason why Sweden struggles to sell its Grippen even though it’s superior to F16. Us govt blackmails potential buying countries to not buy the Grippen jets.
@@johnbooth3073 Or it may be that the Grippen's are 85 million vs 63 million for an F16 with a larger supply chain and manufacturing base. Logistics wins wars.
Pretty cool looking aircraft actually. There was an even more ambitious proposal to build an Israeli stealth fighter called the Arie i think. Never went further than the drawing board with concept drawings, though some technology was developed for it (IR reduction measures, radar signature reduction measures etc) that was also to be used on the Lavi I think.
And at one point israel thought to collaborate with Iran(which it was an ally before the revolution) to build the Arie
@@galadato7425 Man have times changed lol
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@@RussianFans-vn6cjif you have the Torah, then every other book is either redundant or false. The Torah is the only verified word of Gd as the entire nation of Israel witnessed Gd speaking with Moses, thus confirming Moses as a true prophet.
😂😂@@Lestibournes
Actually the J-9 is a large set of concepts that keep researching from 1960s. They vary from something like a canard delta J-8 (which is one of the earlist), to the AJ-37-like concept, to something like canard Mig-25 (and in some ways eventually became J-20 today), most of them were cancelled because way too advanced to Chinese aviation industry which just capable of independely production and improving Mig-21. It was officially cancelled as a model development, but the research keep continuing.
(Fun fact, because of the deterioration with Soviet, the engineers in China didn't even get exactly teaching and course of supersonic aerodynamic calculation and design, which they supposed to be teached by Russians. They were literally explored everything from scratch, with the Mig-21 design files on their hand as reference, and recreated the entire knowledge system by their own.)
And finally, in some times about late 1980s, with the inspiration from the Mirage *(yeah, the born on J-10 was not only thanks to IAI, but also Dassault)* , the J-9 concept evolved into something that also looked quite like F-16 (which not surprised because to against F-16 is its goal) and therefore like Lavi.
The next gen fighter project of PLAAF was launched in 1981, almost the same time with Lavi which is in late 1980. The competitor of the J-10 concept was J-13 from Shenyang, which is basically a F-16 build with Mig-21 tech, due to the same and obvious reason. And ppl in Chengdu somehow managed to convinced PLAAF that their design is better than Shenyang's and was more capable for future air combat, so they win.
Remember, that bidding happened *in 1984. Early than the maiden flight of Lavi (in 1986)!*
You can't copied an aircraft that didn't even fly yet, right?
So I think that's more like a coincidence. After they win, during the development of the J-10, the guys in Chengdu get access to the Lavi, found it actually coincidentally looked like the progressing J-9 concept, thinking *"hey why not just take some modern features and systems, and merged them into ours, it will save lots of time and effort than just try everything from the ground!"*
(Carefully looked at details of Lavi and J-10, you'll found the most common aspects of them are in the arrangement of avionic systems, espercially in cockpit. Considering it's the most lacking experience area in which China need for developing a 4th gen fighter, it make sense to just copy something from a design that is more mature than yours.)
and bang, *here comes the J-10*...
* *EDIT:* Actually the CAC, more specifically the chief designer Song Wencong himself, was perpared if China can't get assistance from Dassault and IAI. The J-10 is a natually unstable plane, just like the F-16, Mirage and Lavi, but this can only happened via the access of fly-by-wire flight control system from Dassault and IAI. (China was actually already developing it, but without assisstance it will be able way more later, probably later than J-10's commission.) If it didn't happened, Song actually designed a delta wing version of J-10 with smaller canards like the Kfir and Mirage V as the temporary backup plan, which is static stable, and therefore didn't need an advanced FBW system to fly, to make sure the J-10 can commissioned in time.
I agree that SOME of the design and engineering aspects of the Chinese aircraft were from their original designers and engineers, however the Chinese do have a strange way of advancing their own aerospace industry, the fact is that industrial espionage is as prevalent as it ever was, and China has little to none respect for patents or intellectual property rights, thus some of their expertise is not always original. Perhaps China should consider not being so secretive and hostile towards the west and try a little harder to engage in cooperation rather than trying to obtain technological advances by less than legitimate means. We in the west keep hearing the rhetoric that the Chinese government puts out about our warmongering and aggression towards China 🇨🇳, but don’t believe everything you hear, the fact is that the free world would only be dragged into a military conflict with China if China overreaches there expansionist demands.
@@allandavis8201 China hostile to West?? Ermmm.. it's kinda like West surrounding China with military forces and West constantly sanctioning China or picking on China..
I don't even see Chinese media talking bad on West much..
You seem to be in some alternate reality
@@allandavis8201Who owns the patent for Fire?
EVERYONE COPIES Just remember, it was the Chinese who created gunpowder
@@AZ-dj1ni , God or Mother Nature, depending upon your beliefs. There is a huge difference between copying and theft, whether YOU or your COUNTRY believe in property rights, patents, state or company secrets or any form of ownership is irrelevant, those of us who DO respect other peoples/nation’s/companies rights are entitled to protect ourselves from those who prefer to steal or can’t/won’t innovate or invent for themselves, it is morally,ethically and legally wrong.
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Uncle Sham has a bad habit of easily getting jealous of everyone , even his friends.😂
Now Uncle Sam would be worried that Israel would sell everything to Uncle Sam’s enemies or rivals because Israel would in reality.
Look at the Chengdouche J10 the already have.
There was a IAF game by Janes I played when I was younger where you could fly this beauty.
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it was called "blue star" in hebrew
That's right, the blue star simulator is there, I played it too.
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Top-notch renders as always.
There’s no doubt that the J10 took some inspiration from the Lavi.
looking into it simple answer no. J10 took after a mix of f16 and the viggen . China had prototypes called the j13 and j9 to make the j10.
The Israelis actually did transfer fighter aircraft technology to China and yes the J10 development was related to the Lavi. It took a lot more than "inspiration" from the Lavi program.
What are you talking about mate... So in 1982-3 Pakistan got their f16 so it's unlikely the Chinese have a closer look or inspect F16. Why so ? Bcoz in 1982 supposedly j10 took a flight. I would beg to differ otherwise that they have drawn inspiration or some sold information to them bcoz at the same time Israel and china were in good terms. Anyway talking about J9 which are basically Mig21 just kitted up. Nah dynamics are totally off the chart. And J13 which are basically migs 23. So nah general characteristics are different they had worked with delta wings but placement of it is totally off what others are and look at bends in wings for generating lifts are also placed so similarly. Which leads to the same conclusion.
@@jatinjai4459the first prototype J-10 flew in 1998 and became operational in the 2000’s. What are you talking about?
I've read that Israel secrectly did technological transferred of this project to China and cause France complained. But your info about J 10 is based on J13(?) and J 9 quite interesting. Thank you for your info.
As an Israeli I could not forgive the government for not standing up to the pressure and finalising the Lavi. The Americans are great friends but they left their borders open and now divided into two groups, one which prevents the US from giving the full support we need right now, and we feel that we’re too dependent on them.
Don't be silly.
We've had no other option back then and I doubt we have now.
As an Israeli before canceling the project, the Air Force reduced the number of fighter planes it was supposed to purchase, the Air Force fell in love with American planes
@@gabrieljoseph6310 and now regrets it since it’s held under a threat of stopping supply of parts and materials to those plains.
Great video! Do the hawker p1154 next. Would love to know more about that plane.
isnt thia just a similar idea to the x31? or was that later on
Even its title is funny...
Only in dreams could be the best. It was not even par with a F-16A Block 1 considering many parameters.
@@militavia-air-defense-aircraftcitation needed
The supersonic version would be nice.
I think I saw it’s engine in a museum once.
Super sonic Harrier... 1154 was that one if I remember correctly... yes that's a good choice 👌👍
Your statement about the talent released from this project benefitting other industries reminds me of the death of the UK's aviation/rocketry industry. (Failure of the Dh Comet, TSR2' and Black Arrow cancellation, and such) All the unused talent ended up in the motorsport industry. At one time in late 90s, almost all F1/IndyCar teams save Ferrari, and engine builders were based in the British midlands.
Not Just at the time, I believe the only F1 teams not in the UK, Ferrari and Alphatauri(previous Minardi from Faenza, Italy), but although the former will never do it, the latter is increasing instalations in what is called the motorsport Valley in the UK, an área around the Famous Silverstone track, like Aston Martin in Silverstone, Red Bull in Milton Keynes, Mercedes in Brackley(with its high performance powertrains division in Brixworth) and off course Williams. HAAS is American and they chassis are designed I believe by Dallara that is Italian, but the factory is in the UK too.
In a way kinda how Nazi rocket scientists ended up in NASA lol
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🇮🇱🇮🇱 was forced to reitre this beucse america (private) comapnys were adireid to lose moeny
@@RussianFans-vn6cjif you have the Torah, then every other book is either redundant or false. The Torah is the only verified word of Gd as the entire nation of Israel witnessed Gd speaking with Moses, thus confirming Moses as a true prophet.
as my grandpa used to say: why building a stealth plane if you can't find it afterwards...
Not surprised the US did Israel dirty with the Lavi, they did the same to us in Canada when the Avro Arrow looked to threaten US aircraft sales.
It was abandoned, forced by the USA so's to prevent sales competition with US fight jets.
As an Israeli this is very true, the fighter was just too good
@@Jotcom אבא של אשתי עבד על זה בתור מהנדס. הלביא עלה על המטוסים של האמריקאים. ממש לא רצו מתחרים.
Afro arrow same thing the only thing I don’t understand is why as allies the Americans didn’t take over the arrow and or the Israeli one
@@user-fd2qt9dz4e The US uses an enormous undisclosed amounts of Israeli tech in all of their weaponry.
The Kfir isn't pronounced ke-ffer, it's pronounced like if the word fear had a k slapped in front of it.
Hey Found and Explained, I love the videos! But I was just watching some of your older videos, and wondered, whatever happened to the OG intro thing? Keep up the great work, and hit that next milestone!
Intros are simply not popular anymore. I personally like the change, intros are mostly just a waste of time to sit through. You gotta get straight to the point or else people will stop watching. It may seem impatient but impatience is a necessity when there is such an abundance of content to browse through.
When an F-16XL and Gripen collaborate.
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its called a J-10
3:40 the name of the aircraft actually translates to a “cub”
Lavi is a mature lion, where Kfir is a lion cub.
Looks like an F-16 with canards, which is awesome.
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
J10 is bigger than Lavi.
Lavi
Length: 14.57m
Wingspan: 8.78m
Height: 4.78m
J10
Length: 16. 9m
Wingspan: 9.8m
Height: 5.7m
F-16 also has a delta wing version for experiment purpose name F-16XL.
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Looks a little like the F16 but then with the canard, it also looks like the J10. Awesome jet developed and built by really smart people. I read somewhere and sometime ago, the Americans want them to buy the US made jet and was told to stop their own program. Wonder if this could be the reason
It’s cheaper to operate F-16s and keeps adding F-35 and F-22 tech on it.
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@@RussianFans-vn6cjif you have the Torah, then every other book is either redundant or false. The Torah is the only verified word of Gd as the entire nation of Israel witnessed Gd speaking with Moses, thus confirming Moses as a true prophet.
Israel will be able to build/buy any jet they want if they are spending their own money and not take the 3-4 billion in foreign assistance from US which mostly goes to military!
The CGI is awesome, rejuvenating the Lavi into modern HD quality.
so the US have given something like $130billion in military aid to Israel over the years. That aid would most likely not be in dollars but military equipment, part of that aid could have be F-16s. Also I think there is a link in that Iran cancelled an order in 1979 (just before revolution) of 55 F-16 and maybe they where already build and available for cheap.
Iran, did not canceled the order. The US refused to deliver the airplanes, and I had already been built. they all went to Israel because they were an export fighter as well the US Air Force did not want them. They would require extensive upgrades to go in there for service.with the USAF kind of funny you think about it Iran paid for the first F16 Jets Israelis got
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75% of US military aid has to be spent in the US, so as a result Israel is essentially being incentivized not to develop and use its own stuff while also being used as a way to provide stimulus to the US military industries.
@@RussianFans-vn6cjif you have the Torah, then every other book is either redundant or false. The Torah is the only verified word of Gd as the entire nation of Israel witnessed Gd speaking with Moses, thus confirming Moses as a true prophet.
The US aid destroyed the Israeli military industry instead of buying Israeli systems that are more suitable for the IDF they buy American systems. IAI produces Block 60 Kafir fighter jets that are on the same level as the F-16 if not better. The Israeli Air Force has made American fighter jets into icons
I think the Swedish single engine JAS 39 Gripen may have had some inspirations from the Lavi.
Muddha engine kaa hai American engine per hee urtta hai bashak Volvo company tyar kartee hai tot per American ipr right nahi datta hai Indian kho bhee ipr right nahi deyya per aagya chal kar India iskho appnya kavari engine say replace karrgaa joh parrllel hee chall rahha hai f404kayy yah France Kay sath colibration may appnavenginevbana karr Jayda thirst yani 120kn engine say replace karranga isriali lavy indianvlca aur gripen ki yahi kamee Rahi hai
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It is important to say that this was a project before the breakup of the Soviet bloc. And before a million Soviets came to live in Israel.
First flight December 31 1986
Curious as to how you do your aircraft videos? Excellent quality, thanks.
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another beautiful story, that America turned into a sad one...
My friends dad worked on it as well.
When the project was cancelled many of the engineers were sent to work on Israel's drone projects instead, which lead to Israel becoming a world leader in military drone tech.
It’s funny…..
In a picture of a meeting of Israeli officials, it looks like Egypt’s President Anwar Sadat crashed the meeting!
This is fantastic
No doubt that the J-10 will have benefitted from the Lavi project. But the Chinese had added their own blend to the design so much so that it is undoubtedbly a Chinese fighter.
True. Much of the J-10 is a duplicate of the Lavi project design. which can be identified via visual inspection. It also has just enough legecy design from the J-9 project. So it is a Chinese fighter, and not really a copy given that the IAI was never put into production to begin with.
A shame China couldn't continue on that and instead choose full copy and paste
it was SOLD to China and renamed as J-10.
of course some pariah nation would call it a Copy.
Its official and its even in wikipedia and on Jane's defense news.
@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent which Chinese aircraft do you referring to as a shame copy paste? I assume you know how aircrafts are designed, they have to adopt to needs and requirements of the clint and a lot times go beyond. it is not possible to copy and paste, no countries have the same fighting conditions and requirements. China could not get engines and any other military technologies from the west, so copy west design of an airplane is really not possible, it is much easier to design your own then to copy, because you don't have all the other designs to fit with the projects. cheers
@@liran547 Except China doesn't usually design its own craft. Much of what they have are copies or licenced built variants or copies of existing craft.
It might be a poor knockoff but its still a copy.
the J-10 Based heavily on the LAVI with elements of the J-9 thrown in.
The J35 Based heavily on the F-35 with a bit of the F-22
The J20 Based heavily on the Mig 1.44 and also the F-22
The H20 Based heavily on the B2 Spirit. (We know its based on it due to various drawings and models that's been shown.)
They are all copies or heavily influenced by existing aircraft.
You are correct in that they do have trouble with technology. China for example does not have true advanced tech to create the high capacity chips used in modern aircraft or existing ones such as the Stealth fighter or bombers of US craft. This makes it difficult for them to create sensitive equipment that might be needed in the creation of stealth craft or bombers or the detection of them.
China does not have true advanced stealth tech its mostly just combined or heavy guess work on stuff they stole or acquired. This might change as the J-35 does appear to be better in overall design than the J20.
China has trouble with engine technology which has plagued them for decades. They have been considered weak and underperforming compared to western technology.
They also seem to have trouble with building advanced bombers or long range ones. They only recently produced a civilian airliner that bombed so they maybe experimenting with the creation of long range bombers likely to be based on current long range bomber designs.
The H-20 the B2 knockoff is supposedly faster than the B-2 which is subsonic. The H-20 in question in some descriptions and a model or two appears to have parts of the aircraft prop up to make a tail, likely to help the aircraft remain stable in fast flight or more than likely cause they were not able to thankfully master the tech needed for a flying wing. It would compromise the crafts stealth capabilities.
it is simple ignoramus to think that way. if you are ever in the manufacturing industry then you will just know that there is no simple copy and paste. product engineering design, manufacturing engineering design, simulation, parts, equipment, materials, etc. it needs full scale capability. you may borrow the styling but everything else is unique development@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent
The Lavi was not the "best" jetfighter in the world, it served Israel's needs at the time, and was replaced by the very capable F-16. It was not cost effective for Israel to build. It also had an American powerplant, the Pratt and Whitney 1120, and would have been reliant on US approval for export --- something that would not be granted readily.
American pressure on exports from Israel really only started in the early 2000's after the Phalcon fiasco, so back then as long as Israel could get a non-American engine in the Lavi they wouldn't really have to go through the US legally but there would definitely be pressure, same way the US lobbied the vote to abandon the Lavi.
Another interesting one! Would love to see one on the Lockheed Cheyenne.
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A video about the J-9 or other cancelled Chinese aircraft like the J-12 or J-13 would be really interesting.
Could you do an episode on the F-20 Tigershark?
Please
It ended up inspired the J-10, the third superstar of the PLAAF.
No the J10 is the Lavi, china bought the blue print, they bought it, not copy it.
@@skyguyfpv2399
J10 is larger and has Delta wings.
@@skyguyfpv2399israel gave them lol...
And china doesn't use it a lot
China has over 600 J10 aircraft. Its the workhorse of the Chinese airforce. @@GTFO_0
You nail it!!! 😂😂😂
F16+Mirage=Lavi😅😅😅
Im seeing a theme amongst the best prototypes; Delta winds. Avro Arrow is my favorite example.
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@@RussianFans-vn6cj Did the Quran mention delta wings? Wrong platform. I'm protestant.
@@user-ue8yb7ux7x brother no one born at right path this is not the God law there are thousand of religion in the world every one say we are at right path and other all wrong but remember the right path is only one not thousands.
When you will start your research then God will necessary show you the right path.
Holy quran will give you so strong argument about every matter and your mind will accept it you will never found even one verse of holy quran which are against the science.
I have also leave my firqa.
Pls give the quran a chance you won't lost any thing pls read it and try to understand it I hope you will know reality and then decide on justice 🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️
Looks like the Delta wing F-16 that Lockheed Martin proposed for the air force. Might want to look into the possibility of "stolen" tech.
Not stolen, borrowed.
There is a really interesting article about J-10 on sohu (media oulet from China) that I've just read, the article states that Israel had the idea of putting Russian AL-31F engine on Lavi, to accommodate this engine the fuselage was redesigned to be bigger, the wings were changed from a swept trapezoidal wing to bigger pointed delta shape and canards were pushed forward a bit, this redesigning results a jet that had silhouette almost resembling J-10. I take this article with a grain of salt though.
It is copy of this😂😂more like Israel directly gave it to china
A glass of salt would be more reasonable, given the USSR/Russia did not even have diplomatic relations with Israel until 1991.
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Its abosolte bs😊
@@RussianFans-vn6cjif you have the Torah, then every other book is either redundant or false. The Torah is the only verified word of Gd as the entire nation of Israel witnessed Gd speaking with Moses, thus confirming Moses as a true prophet.
It looks like a mix of the Gripen and an F-16.
they say about the lavi that it was a big mistake to start the project but a bigger mistake that they closed it
Toh kyya kartya engine kaha say lattya American engine per hee iska protype urrata thaa agar isrilee lavy bana lattya toh f16 kaun kherdataa bhiya
Tell me one thing Israel can't do!!
Seven million people full of wonders.
There's something supernatural about that nation
1988 4.5m🎉
Looks like an F16 combined with a Eurofighter Typhoon
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Nice work again. Can you make a Video about the MBB Lampyridae, too? Greetings from Germany.
The title should have been; "How Israel Mods the best jetfighter in the world... then sold it to China."
I didn't even know Israel had an aviation industry lol! That jet looks pretty slick tho! Thanks for the video!
Not many people know about it
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@@gabrieljoseph6310 brother no one born at right path this is not the God law there are thousand of religion in the world every one say we are at right path and other all wrong but remember the right path is only one not thousands.
When you will start your research then God will necessary show you the right path.
Holy quran will give you so strong argument about every matter and your mind will accept it you will never found even one verse of holy quran which are against the science.
I have also leave my firqa because Muslims are divided into different sect and every sect have their own beliefs which are against the Holy quran.
Pls give the quran a chance you won't lost any thing pls read it and try to understand it I hope you will know reality and then decide on justice 🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️
@@RussianFans-vn6cj Man I'm an atheist.
Maybe not the greatest timing on this video...
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Izrael: Fuck you *procceeds to bullpup your F-16*
A similar aircraft program was done in India named HAL MARUT. Hope there would be a episode on it in the future 😄
Basically, take parts of the jets from different countries with advantages and combine it together.... Nice!🍻
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If Sweden can build an incredible jet so can any nation of similar size, provided they have the will. Sure some nations would need to build up their industrial sector a bit, but that still falls under willpower.
addendum: Sweden has around a million more people than Israel. ~10.4 million for Sweden, ~9.4 for Israel.
edit/caveat: This is specifically in regard to what was said at the very beginning of the video.
At the time of IAI Lavi's first flight (1986) Israel had a population of 4.3 M, as stated in the video. They did and do receive extensive support by the US, but it still is a significant achivement.
@@milchbeinert6653 Which is more in line with the population of Norway & Finland (thinking about countries in that region).
addendum: Apparently the population of Sweden in 1986 was around 8.4 million.
Take a look at Iran, lmao.
The ability to develop state of the art aircraft takes decades and a very specialised industry. Which most countries lack the funding or will to develop.
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@@RussianFans-vn6cjif you have the Torah, then every other book is either redundant or false. The Torah is the only verified word of Gd as the entire nation of Israel witnessed Gd speaking with Moses, thus confirming Moses as a true prophet.
Now called the J10 Chinese jet
When a Gripen and Eurofighter got together.
Could you maybe do a video about the "Novi Avion" Yugoslav project?
IAI built the Lavi. It was quashed because it would have went toe to toe with the F-16 in international sales. That, and the fact it contained a lot of American parts. Why would Uncle Sam foot the bill for a fighter jet which would directly compete against its best export fighter aircraft.
It's the F21 offered to India but they didn't want it mistake mistake mistake this small fast plane is bad ass
Btw Nick, If you plan to do a video on the J-10, i can proudly say that my grandfather certified it into service
Excellent plane, I would like to ask a question, some time ago I saw a program where it was mentioned about an Israeli plane that was a copy of the French delta wing Mirage, in a part of that program it was mentioned as the delta wing configuration although It gave advantages in some missions, it also gave problems in others and because of those problems, Israel stopped making its planes and acquired the F 16. Could someone tell me if that is true and if so, what problems do delta wing planes have?
The "copy" was "Kfir".
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France refused to sell them to Israel anymore, so they just built them on their own. They turned out to be better than the French ones.
Israel didn’t have to copy the Mirage the French sold them to Israel just the same way as they sold nuclear weapons to Israel. Israel then tweaked the designs.
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@@RussianFans-vn6cj Mohamed said Jesus is a great prophet. Jesus says "I am the way the truth and the light, no man comes to the Father (God) except by me" So either Mohamed was wrong and therefore not God's prophet as prophets cannot be wrong or Jesus is right and he is the way to salvation. Making Mohamed not a prophet again. I choose Jesus. The Son of God. You follow your proven false Mohamed. May God save you.
Delta wings allow low approach speeds, so they designed this to land on roads.
Thats not how Delta wings work, at low speed you loose control \ maneuvering. Look at the F14 its wings extended for low speed.
@@declankell597 Wow, I didn't know that thanx! Hey, can you tell me something? I've heard about this fascinating program called Microsoft Flight Simulator, I suspect you know something about it. Do you install that on your computer via CD or can you download it.....
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WOW!!! I freaking love this
"Deltawing Falcon doesn't exist, he can't harm you"
Deltawing Falcon:
The Chinese Chengdu Aircraft Company developed the J-10 fighter jet based on the Lavi fighter jet. Before this, the highest level of Chinese fighter jets was the J-8II, which was roughly at the level of the 1960s. China had no technological reserves for modern fighter jets, such as fly-by-wire control, digital instrumentation, data buses, and so on. In addition to the LAVI fighter jet, the accompanying Python 3 air-to-air missiles were also transferred to China. In the Chinese version, these missiles are known as PL-8 and can be seen on many Chinese fighter jets. Now, China's support for Hamas is indeed a development that might have been unexpected in the context of Israel-China relations.
China never supported Hamas whay are you talking about, they are standing neutral.
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@@hwg5039China literally sells weapons to Hamas
it seems to me more of a proxy power play. China supports Hamas (so you say) because they want to indirectly hurt the US. it's just 2 blocs fighting each other.
as for why China lags so much in terms of jet design, or did, i'm not sure. i guess China's gone on too long without being industrialized and they're still playing catch-up.
@@hwg5039 China always claims neutrality, but behind the scenes chooses a side.
They did the same with Ukraine.
China claims they are neutral, yet Xi has met Putin at least 2 times after the 2022 invasion and has not met Zelensky a single time.
This is why no one trusts the Chinese. They only care about money and nothing more.
It's laughable how they claim to want to be a Global leader.
It reminds me of the X31 a bit but without vector thrust
It looks like if your mixed an F-16 and a Gripen
As a Canadian. The birthplace of the legendary Avro Arrow. I never heard of politics killing the best, way ahead of its time, fighter jet. There still is not a plane that can do what that thing did. Don't waste money developing better planes than the USA. We all might as well just buy new F-15's.
Ah yes, the Avro Arrow. Just like the BAC TSR-2, two aircraft that have a famous reputation. Even today people perpetuate that these aircraft would have been the best thing in the world since sliced bread, I've even heard people say if they entered service that they'd still be serving today.
Truth is there is so much outright lies and a huge amount of mythical 'truths' behind the performance of those two aircraft. Fundementally the age of interceptors was on the way out when the Arrow was being developed as ICBMs were becoming the future and the Arrow wasn't a 'fighter' but rather an expensive Interceptor to defend Canada's skies against Bombers which were being replaced with ICBMs. To say the Arrow is 'way ahead of its time' is true, for a grand total of 2 years until the F-4 Phantom came along.
These aircraft have such a mythos behind them and many people, including you, just perpetuate lies.
> 'There still is not a plane that can do what that thing did'
And what would that be? Fly fast, fly high, be an interceptor? F-4 could to that. F-14 could do that. F-15 could and still can do that. All of those other aircraft had better multirole capability, and more importantly had a job to do beyond the 60s. F-4 and F-14 both had the real role of attacking bombers that were threatening a carrier fleet. The F-15 can intercept bombers in the imaginary situation that the Soviets still wanted to drop a nuke that way, while also having performance to do other jobs. The Arrow was a one trick pony, but it's trick was pointless. It was a great looking jet, performance was good for the time but nothing that was extraordinarily good. I'd love to know exactly what you claim that the Arrow could do that jets 5 years later couldn't, let alone jets today can't.
The TSR-2 and Arrow myths need to die, the truths about the aircraft having decent to good performance but extensive costs and a loss of primary mission need to be spread to prevent more copium on these machines.
The speed of aircraft development in the 50s and 60s was so rapid that many designs ended up being replaced rather quickly. From 1951-1961 the USAF went from the F-86, to the F-100, to the F-4 Phantom with dozens of other well known aircraft being developed and introduced during that time too, the Arrow simply couldn't keep up.
You waffle back and forth as to how you pronounce IAI Kfir. It’s pronounced properly as “Ki-fear”
Requesting videos on the following:
-switchblade aircraft designs such as the FA-37 Talon from the ‘05 movie “Stealth” or the X-02 Wyvern from the Ace Combat franchise (the concept, not the actual fighters I mentioned)
-Super Tomcat-21 and ASF-14
-the NATF program as a whole
-early ATF proposals/McDonnell Douglas’ ATF proposal
-Sea Apache
-F-20 Tigershark
-Bae SABA
-Lockheed Martin’s Advanced Technology Bomber proposal
-Northrop’s proposal for what would become the F-117 Nighthawk
-Interstate TDR
-JSF proposals OTHER THAN the X-32 and X-35
-XFV-12
-Gloster Meteor
-the proposals that didn’t win the F-X program that spawned the F-15 Eagle
-Erado E.555
-model 853 quiet bird
-the USSR’s Project P-2 submarine
You completely misspoke at the 6 minute mark saying it weighed 1,000 kg went really weighs 7,000 kg
i think the F-16 and the mirage stayed on the same hangar for a little bit too long-
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Looks a lot like a F-16, doesn't it? And one of the Chinese fighters looks practically identical.
Israel sold the entire proyect to China !! Did they forget to mention it ????
So when Israel basically steals multiple designs from the west we praise them
But when china does it we make fun of them and say they're copycats
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They didn’t steal them
The west literally sent them the designs
Because China is massive in its economy, manpower, military and smart minds yet somehow they cant invest any resources into designing their own aircraft.
"Steals" I'm in agreement with that. Israel practically doesn't offer anything to this world. Their arms, aircraft etc have all been given to them. When they do design something, it's a blatant ripoff of a pre existing design.
They didn’t get their nuclear capability via gifting.. that was definitely stolen tech.
@@ZaHandleand then Israel *sold* it to china after it was cancelled.
"Best jetfighter in the world"
"Comparable performance to the F16"
At least we can see some remnants of the design in the J-10, but it’s still kinda sad to see this thing go
The Chinese could have just as easily taken the J-10s design cues from the Eurofighter Typhoon as the Lavi. Or the Gripen. Or MiG 3.1. There are plenty of aircraft out there that could have stolen from… I mean inspired by.
The Lavi is why the F-22 was never exported to Israel. America's "greatest ally" would have sold the F-22's tech to the Chinese just how they sold the entire Lavi program's technical and engineering data lock stock and barrel for the Chinese to make the J-10. That's not my opinion or speculation, but rather the opinion of more than a few congressmen, defense industry, and intelligence community personnel.
Basically why israel abandoned the
Lavi Project:
1. It was (back then) WAY to expensive for israel.
2. Immense pressure from the US
(The lavi could compete with the
early variations of the F16).
Looks like an f-16 combined with a typhoon
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Can you please make a video on Jf-17 thunder? I'm sure it'd be a nice one..
Can’t help thinking Eurofighter. 😂
The Mig Ye 8 always reminds me of the Lavi, have your heard of it? I think it's a very interesting topic!
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@foundandexplained pls do a video on tejas mk1A and tejas mk2
How does 750lb bombs enable 250 nmile while 2000 lb enable 600n.miles?? 6:27
750 bombs might be larger, and cause more drag and need more pylons.
2000lb is less drag and doesnt need a large pylon
@@kurnass2000 hmm possible but still sounds pretty ineffective and impractical
What was the plane shown at 5.13 on top of an ekranoplan ?
That’s……an F-16 with a canard.
When you want your Mirage to look like a F-16....you build this.
Wow - amazing development!
It's a pretty, graceful looking craft. IMO, most aerospace success stories are likewise easy on the eyes.
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