TOP 10 MLB Hall Of Fame SNUBS Of ALL TIME - STEROID USERS & BANNED Players OMITTED!
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They called Fred McGriff the crime dog. But what the HOF has done to him is the real crime!
He'll get in eventually....If Baines went in, then McGriff will be voted in too.
@@jordangarrick669 hopefully it won't be posthumously.
Yes, it is! I remain hopeful the HOF will do the right thing and invite McGriff.
@@gregengel1616 Dude’s only 58 years old…
@@LoudounDemocrat I'm aware of that. But I'm also aware that the Hall of Fame has waited too long before to induct people.
Another guy no one mentions is Vada Pinson: 2757 hits, .286 average, 1365 runs, 256 home runs, 1169 RBIs, 305 stolen bases, four 200 hit seasons, .981 fielding percentage, 2 gold gloves.
I agree. I just put up Maury Wills stats. I thought he was in.
Absolutely correct. Vada Pinson should have been elected ages ago. If you throw in 450 doubles, and 100 triples, then only ONE other player can match those stats: Willie Mays. Pinson not being in, is an ABSOLUTE travesty.
Not a real person
@@guapoglass Check Wikipedia
@@guapoglass Trolling?
Sweet Lou Whitaker. Nuff said. He stacks up against the best 2b ever. The Trammel/Whitaker duo will never be outdone.
The longest tenured Doble play combination ever also
Agree
If Trammel’s in sweet Lou should be
Criminal he isn’t in.
It has been outdone many times
Thank you for mentioning Dick Allen. The guy was an absolutely fearsome player when he was active. I think his unpopularity with the media is what did him in. There were also stories that he was a clubhouse cancer, but recently there have been players and coaches who came to his defense and said that he was actually a fine man who was well liked by his teammates.
Maybe he will be there one day.
You a pretty big fan of dick?
The media was the cancer and they are not good at self reflection.
He wasn't a clubhouse cancer in Chicago. The Sox came within 5.5 games in 1972, the time where the Oakland A's ruled baseball. He literally carried the team. Almost won the triple crown in a dead ball era. Signed the first $225,000 a year contract. Always a gentleman. The first chili dog pinch hit home run...lol Google it. And the famous 42 ounce bat. He would hit 70 home runs in today's baseball. It was an honor to watch him in 1972. RIP Mr. Allen
@@richardpape5546 Which once again reminds me that I need to be more careful when hearing about others. I have heard a lot of what you said to be the case, contrary to what I initially read and believed. Except for the chili dog, I'll have to look that up.
Great list, but you forgot Kenny Lofton. He had a career WAR 68.4, 6x All-star and won 4 Gold gloves. He's considered one of the best lead off hitters of his time, if not all time, lead the league 5× in stolen bases. He also had a lifetime batting avg of .299 with 2428 hits.
If he played for the Yankees and not the Indians he would already be in. I loved Kenny but no one considers him the best lead off hitter off all time. He’s in the 7-10 range with is unreal and HOF worthy. Voters are caught up on numbers. Vizquel should be in too.
@@mikef9126 Lofton had 1 year with the Yankees. He played for a total of 10 or 11 different teams. He was a good player for a long time
@@larryfisher8332 I’m well aware. I’m from Cleveland. My point is if he spent 10 years with the Yankees he would already be in the hall.
Lofton was solid for the GIANTS. I really enjoyed watching him play!
Kenny was great.
Otis Nixon on steroids lol
Totally agree about McGriff. It's ridiculous that he's not in. Another cool thing he did was lead the American League in homeruns one year and then lead the National League in homeruns a few years later, not many have done that. I don't know how the veteran's committee works but I hope he gets in there somehow.
He's in now.
One of my fondest memories is having a conversation with Dick Allen when I was 11 years old at the Astrodome in Houston. Back then there was a screen in outfield wall so you could talk to the players there. I talked with him and even ran with him as he did his warm ups, cracking him up a few times. He was an awesome hitter and while he had a reputation of not talking to fans, he sure gave me a wonderful memory! RIP
As a kid, we went to a ton of games at Connie Mack Stadium, watch your car for a quarter Mister. When Richie/Dick Allen hit the ball with his 40 oz bat it stayed hit. He hit 40 home runs with one shoulder. Definite Hall of Famer.
What a cool memory. Allen's perceived surliness and his outspoken personality was held against him. Now unfortunately, it's left up to those who never saw him play...
I remember watching him at the old commiskey park with my father. My favorite . Bill Melton and Dick Allen on that line up
IN 1983 AT SHEA STADIUM SILENT GEORGE HENDRICK SPOKE TO ME AND MY OLDEST BROTHER BEFORE A GAME AGAINST THE METS HENDRICK SPOKE TO US FOR 55 MINUTES THE CARDINALS PROCEEDED TO BEAT THE METS CLASSIC
Great story bro
Dale Murphy! Most dominant player of the early and mid 80’s..only player not in the HOF that won 2 MVP’s..add on 5 straight gold gloves, a 30-30 year, twice led the league in Home Runs and RBI’s, 398 Home Runs and is probably the nicest player you’d ever meet!
I think Juan Gonzalez also won two MVP awards and is not in the Hall.
But your point still stands.
@@DaDitka Juan had issues with Steroids
Absolutely spot on about Fred McGriff that a guy who played the game honourably and with great skill isn’t recognised for it is a gross injustice. Particularly as when you take in the era he played in and all those temptations laid out before him. He did not sell his soul or that of baseball!
Shilling took himself off the list
@@gregwatson8219 for good reason. They were keeping him out because of his politics.
Steve Garvey should be on this list. Garvey played in 1207 straight games (NL record) with four gold gloves, and had a lifetime batting average of .294. Garvey was a 10 time all star with two all star MVP's and one NL MVP in 1974.Garvey had 2600 hits with six 200 hit seasons with 272 home runs and 1308 rbi's. Garvey played in five World Series with a lifetime playoff batting ave. of .338 with 11 home runs. Garvey was the NL championship MVP twice in 1978 and 1984. Steve Garvey was the best first baseman I had ever seen in digging out errant throws from other infielders. Garvey's lifetime stats are much better than several players who are in the Hall of Fame. Pretty much, Steve Garvey (Mr. Clean, or The Iron Man) was the premier first baseman in baseball in the 1970s, and why he's not in the Hall is a mystery. Steve Garvey should be and belongs in the baseball Hall of Fame.
If Garvey had not gotten those women pregnant (out of wedlock) he'd have been a US Senator and a baseball Hall of Famer. I agree he should be in. It's a baseball Hall of Fame...not a Character Hall of Fame.
And Dave Parker as well.
Totally agree
Steve Garvey is Not My Padre!!
NO Question Steve Garvey is a HOFr!!!! Should already be in the HOF. Criminal he's not in yet!
Two guys come to mind...Dave Concepcion and Dale Murphy. Before Ozzie Smith, Concepcion was the premier shortstop in the national league. It boggles my mind that Murphy isn't in. Allen too; he was the first guy that I saw hit a home run with the White Sox, at old Tiger stadium.
Yeah Dale Murphy isnt mentioned enough in the comments here. Maybe people had to be around when he played but he was a top 3 all around player in his prime and played the hardest position.
Carlos Delgado
@@MrAitraining I agree. Dale is often overlooked.
@@MrAitraining Dale suffers from the same thing as Andruw. Both had awful seasons at the end of their careers. The criteria to get into the HOF is only to have played 10 seasons, so in my opinion the voters should only factor in the player's best 10 year span for those guys who played longer than they should have.
@@mattworkman1583 it's inconsistent though because they reward compilers like don sutton who was never dominant. I like dominance vs peers when they played vs good for a long time. Even if it's only 8-10 yrs.
Great to see McGriff and Rolen get voted in this year. Helton's going in next year. My guy is Kenny Lofton. Best leadoff hitter of the 90's (and those incredible Cleveland teams) and an incredible defender. Schilling not being in is downright criminal.
It really blows my mind that Rolen isn't in the HOF. Before Nolan Arenado, there was Scott Rolen.
Andruw Jones was not popular in LA or anywhere else but Atlanta and that's okay. He was a defensive wizard in CF.
Curt Schilling IS a HOF regardless of his opinions. You nailed it perfectly!
The MLB HOF is so inconsistent. You basically put them to shame with this perfect list!
Thanks!! This was a tough list!
Bro Scott Rolen and Jim Edmonds DESERVE the HoF. The 2006 Cardinals is one of my all time favorite teams, and I'm a Yankee fan
@@cptsparklfingerz9210 Edmonds is a major oversight by HoF voters, maybe the vet committee will fix some of these omissions
I used to hate Rolen when he wanted to leaves the Phillies now that I'm an adult I realize we were all time awful I'd want to leave too 🤣🤣
I disagree on Schilling. HE only had 5 seasons with an ERA sub 3 (and 2 of those were 2.95 and 2.97). His career ERA of 3.46 alone should keep him out. If you want to say he should be in the Hall of Very Good that is one thing BUT too many players are in that really should not be. Yeah he had some great postseasons but in my opinion that does not make up for him not being a great seasonal pitcher.
On Fred McGriff: I remember when the Braves acquired him before the 1993 trade deadline. After the trade and with McGriff in their lineup (and the three-headed monster of Maddux, Glavine, and Smoltz anchoring their rotation), the Braves compiled one of the best second-half records in baseball history, even better than the Blue Jays with their deep lineup of Rickey Henderson, Robby Alomar, Paul Molitor, Joe Carter, John Olerud, et al. To say McGriff had an immediate impact on the Braves that year is an understatement.
Those 90’s Braves had some amazing teams
The first 100 regular season games the Braves had after acquiring McGriff in July of 1993 (i.e. end of 1993 and the start of 1994) they went 82-18 (.820 baseball)! He should be a HOFer as he was great in San Diego and Toronto too.
Yikes, I remember that Blue Jays lineup facing my White Sox in the playoffs back-to-back years and breaking my young heart 😒
@@JusNoBS420 and won one world series, they were the Buffalo Bills of baseball.
@@Floridaman1780_ Hey, even one championship is more than the Bills ever won, so not a fair comparison.
Wow! Al Oliver needs to go in I don't know the criteria but his numbers speak for themselves. Al was a hitting machine. He had a lifetime batting average of 303 along with 2743 hit, 219 home runs, a batting title in 82 as well as 7 time all star and a world series championship. The Hall of Shame should be padlock. Fred McGriff was good as well but Al Oliver is so deserving as well. Al needs to smell the roses. Every one let's give Al Oliver a push. I can't believe he is not even in the top ten snubs.
Yes and Bill Madlock too.
@@carlosriutort Wow! Iv been rapped up in Oliver's snubb I forgot about the mad dog. A pure hitting machine. 4 time batting champion. 305 lifetime batting average. How could I forget him. You are 100O pct right. Thanks for that.
I used to think Al Oliver should be in, but other than hitting for average and compiling a lot of hits, there's not much else there. He goes in the Hall of Very Very good.
@@anthonygreen3331 Even with Madlock's 4 batting titles, he's nowhere near the Hall. Barely 2000 Hits, never got 100 Runs or RBI, or 40 Doubles, or 20 Homers. Only had 545 Extra Base Hits. Al Oliver had 529 DOUBLES by himself. He'll most likely be the only 4-time batting champ to never make it. Had Joe Mauer won another title, he'd be in the same boat.
@@gheller2261He had the third most hits in his career behind only Rose and Schmidt. Both of them would be in the HOF had Pete not gambled.
This is a great choice of subject for a CZcams baseball video, thank you! You make terrific cases for your picks; I'm sold! I particularly agree with the cases you make for Lou Whitaker, Fred McGriff and Keith Hernandez.
I’m shocked that Luis Tiant is not on this list; dominant ace for over a decade and 4 time 20 game winner. He also had to change his entire style of pitching after an arm injury and came back even better. Terrible HOF snub.
Yeah and he had durability. Stats comparable to Drysdale who's in. Tiant told his relatives he doesn't want to be elected posthumously.
100%
Great list! I’ll suggest a couple more, Bill Freehan, the top catcher in the American League for a decade, Mickey Lolich who out dualed Bob Gibson to help the Tigers win the 1968 World Series and held the major league record for strikeouts for a left hander until Carlton surpassed him. Lastly Lu Blue, a ridiculously talented member of the ridiculously talented Detroit outfield of the 1910s and 20s who literally played surrounded by Hall of Famers and .400 hitters and held his own.
and another Tiger Sweet Lou Whitaker!
I totally agree with you 💯% 👍
I grew up watching the 68 Tigers. Freehan was good, but he doesn't have the stats for hof.
@@jojobar5877 You got that right!
GREAT video. Vada Pinson always comes to mind. Another older player from the 1930's was a pitcher named Wes Ferrel. He went 197-140 essentially in 10 seasons. His ERA was 4 but for the 1930's that was still way about average. He was also the best hitting pitcher of all time. He leads with 38 homers and he hit .281 and slugged around .450. Inexplicably, his brother, Rick Ferrel made it to the hall as a weak hitting catcher.
Wally schang should been in before Rick Ferrell
I'm very glad you mentioned Lou whitaker. I totally agree. I don't care if he makes the Hall of fame, he's the best second baseman I've ever seen. One of Lou's problems was he made things look easy.
@@matthewk2261 skin color
Whitaker was not a better second baseman than Cano or Utley, so looks like you haven't been watching a lot of baseball
@@southsider3542 WHAT.... ? Utley or Cano better than Whitaker... THAT'S A LAUGH. 😆😅🤣 look at all time stats pal
@@csnide6702 The stats that have Cano with more 300 more hits in 100 less games? The stats that have his OPS+ at 124, while Whitaker's is 117? And that's with Cano being completely useless his last couple seasons. The same stats that have Cano with 100 more home runs in 100 less games? The stats that have Cano with 100 more doubles in 100 less games?
You must be looking at the wrong stats, buddy. Because I'm looking at Whitaker's and I'm not exactly seeing a Hall Of Famer, let alone the greatest second baseman of all time
@@southsider3542 Whitaker turned more double plays than ANY other 2b IN HISTORY... Look at Trammell's stats .. are you good with HIM getting in..?
Then compare THOSE STATS TO WHITAKER'S....
NOW DO YOU SEE..?
Tell me ... were you even ALIVE while he was playing..?
Absolute joke that Andruw, Curt Schilling and Fred McGriff aren’t in the HOF
I came here specifically to say this for Andruw. But another Blake beat me to it
Wild thing hates curt and called him a bad teammate.
Agree with Jones and mcgriff
An even bigger joke that it’s Schilling’s political views that keeps him out. Unbelievably ridiculous.
Gossage was smart. He got INTO the Hall and then unleashed on liberals. I have a ball signed by Goose that says F*CK Joe Biden. One of the coolest graphed balls I have for sure
Curt should be in the HOF for basically bankrupting a state goverment fund
Great video however I believe that Steve Garvey should also 100% indefinitely be in the Hall of Fame. He was a 10x All Star, a 1981 WS winner, a 1974 N.L MVP winner, a 4x Gold Glover and averaged .294. I don't understand why Steve Garvey was so overlooked.
The game streak,clutch in post season,run from 74-81 should have gotten him in,definetly agree!!!
38 WAR is why
@@jlarocca101 Who cares about nerd stats , it's more like his relgelion belifes like Dale Murphy
@@erickennedy3322 Im not sure what the 2nd part of your comment means but in regards to the "nerd stats" well, yea...still 38WAR. no need to call them stats names because you dont understand them...
@@jlarocca101 It's interesting to review old MVP stats and see how many times the voters got it right and the winner also lead or was close to leading in WAR. The same is true of how many times a player lead in WAR and didn't receive deserved consideration.
Love your videos. Keep them coming dude.
Great video. Well researched. I agree with all your snubs!
Bill Freehan. 11 time All-Star, 5 time Gold Gloves, 200 HRs (behind only Yogi Berra and Bill Dickey when he retired. Career records for fielding percentage, putouts and chances. Mickey Lolich. Three time All-Star. Three complete game wins in a World Series. At one time held the career strikeout record for left handed pitchers.
Freehan career .262 average won't help him. Lolich barely a .500 win/loss record (although that probably hurts less with modern statistics).
@@LoudounDemocrat You have to consider the era they played in. How many other catchers have 11 all-star selections?
@@ho246 Yeah, that's a good point. Playing catcher is a whole 'mother things...with framing pitchers, calling games etc.
Best catcher of his era all around after all if we let Ozzie smith and rabbity marsnville in for deffense shouldn’t we let players like bill freehan in and Omar visquel for therr defensive prowess also they both were great fielders and a lot better hitters then Ozzie smith as was Andrew jones
@@LoudounDemocrat different game different era Whats Ozzie smiths career average what’s your point according to your logic then Ozzie doesn’t belong there
Dick Allen was one of my favorite players. When he played with the Dodgers they called him Richie Allen. Totally belong in the HOF.
Yeah he changed it to Dick Allen when he went to the American League.
We enjoyed going to Dodger games early to watch batting practice, and Allen would hit line shot after line shot into the left field bleachers. I'm not talking high flyers, I'm really talking cannon rounds.
Great list! Wholeheartedly agree on all! Thanks for posting this!
Great video. Very well done!
McGriff is unbelievable to me. Those numbers are insane.
Davey Concepcion...When he played he was 1 or 2 at his position in all of baseball. 9 x all-star, 5 gold gloves, back to back ws champ. Not to mention he patented the bounce throw on turf...The best shortstop in his day before Ripken Jr. or Aroid yet Davey gets no love for Cooperstown. Plus he was the 82' all-star MVP...Bench called him the best clutch hitter other than Perez on that team... His numbers are better than some enshrined... Definitely Fred McGriff as well. No brainer.
Fact
Agree! Davey is deserving, as is The Crime Dog!
Career WAR of 40 is just so-so.
Visquel had .272 avg with 2800 hits 400 steals and 11 gold gloves at SS.....
@@LoudounDemocrat Also a .679 OPS, 88 OPS + Ozzie Smith's numbers are similar, but he was pretty much the best ever defensively. Davey did have a 21.4 dWAR, though Ozzie's was 44.2.
Great content. Subbed
Great video. This is an excellent list.
Just curious where you’d rank Dave Kingman? 442 HR, 3 x All Star, 2 x NL HR Leader.
I know Kong’s BA and OBP were horrible because he struck out stacks of times. He was a great fan favorite every team he played for and avoided controversy.
Great channel. Continued success to you and your channel. Cheers.
Kingman hit monster home runs before the roid rage. Helped 1977 Yankees down the pennant stretch by hitting 4 homers acquired after the cutoff for post season play.
He was a butcher in the field, and had a terrible batting average, and was a renowned asshole hated by everyone.
"Kong" AVOIDED controversy? Ask Reporter(ette) Susan Fornoff how she liked the rat that Kingman mailed to her when he was finishing his career in Oakland. Indeed, that stunt more or less DID finish him in the majors, as although he was simply fined $3,500 (not an insignificant sum in '86) and given warning that further misconduct would result in his being released, he was not tendered an offered by the A's (who'd reacquired Reggie Jackson to play out his final year as a DH, I saw Reg's last HR, a monster bomb to center that's still in orbit) for the following season. Kingman did sign a minor league contract with the Giants in mid-July of '87, but struggled at AAA-Phoenix, and retired after just 20 games with the Firebirds.
I'd say his numbers were indeed HoF-worthy, but "Kong" feuded with sports writers and reporters all during his career, which is typically fatal to one's HoF chances. Shouldn't be, the Hall is full of many jerks. The only legit criticisms were that his fielding was average, at best, and his tendency to whiff...a LOT, which is why his batting averages were usually poor. The epitome of "Outhouse or Castle" hitting, as when he did get a hold of one, it usually cleared the fences by a good margin.
I agree with everyone on your list and let me add...
Dale Murphy
Don Mattingly
Eric Davis
Vida Blue
I think Keith Hernandez is being kept out of The Hall for the time he spit on Kramer. The press despises him.
The conspiracy continues...
Dale Murphy for sure,back to back MVP's,many accolades,great ambassador for the game!
The cocaine controversy of the early 80s is why Hernadez isn't in.
But it wasn't Hernandez who spit on the K-man and Newman...
@@ChrisBrown-pz2gu it was actually Roger McDowell hiding in the bushes who did it.
That's a solid argument for McGriff. I put Steve Garvey in a similar category. A consistent performer who shined in high profile moments (post season, all star game).
Loved your video! ⚾
Very convincing arguments.
My thoughts about Mattingly: if he could have had his six outstanding years at the end of his career rather than the beginning he would be in the hall. (and I wonder if Koufax had had his six mediocre seasons after the six brilliant ones….)
Agree with you on this list....especially McGriff! It blows me away that he wasn't voted in. I would give an honorable mention to Carlos Delgado as well. His numbers are as follows: .280/.383/.546/.929 with an OPS+ of 138, 483 2B's, 473 HR's, 2,000+ hits.
Great points about McGriff and Delgado. I thought McGriff was very similar to Frank Thomas and Jim Thome from a production standpoint and they were 1st ballot inductees. If McGriff got to 500 HRs he would easily be in by now.
Hall Of Very Good.
Quite a bit of the Hall Of Fame doesn't deserve to actually be there.
It was always sort of known that he would get in on 500 HRs and not likely otherwise. That said, he's probably much more worthy than many already in.
@@patrick_m_GA jim thome had over 600 HRs lol that isnt close
Agreed. Delgado was a beast when he played with the Jays!
So many good players. I'd advocate for Dave Parker & Don Mattingly. During their time, they were the best at their position and were considered the best players in the game for a time. I get the argument that they didn't do it long enough but for me that does not matter as much (compared to a player who was pretty good for a longer time). I'd be picking these 2 every time to start a team.
I agree with you about Parker and Mattingly, also Steve Garvey should be in the HOF too.
Don Mattingly was headed to the HOF but then he aged into an old man 4 years too early at only 29 🤭🤣🙄
@@patrick_m_GA Steve Garvey compared to first baseman of all time he’s just average first baseman because his lack of power since his career ops+ is 107.
@@LurkerDood His back was hurting. He thought that he unable to play up to the standards that he set for himself so he thought that he was hurting the team. In a interview some years later he said that he regretted it, but he also said that I have more time with my family. I think that he had to say that. He walked more than 11o more times then he struck out. He walked 588 times and SO only 444X. I heard some Yankee fans that have said Judge is way better than Mattingly. No Way. In just 4 years I think that he struck out more than 444X. That's a lot of men on base. They have to look into Andy Pettitte stats too.
@@larryfisher8332 His batting average was still pretty damn good but he had no power left 🤔
Interesting top 10 list. Just a tip of the iceberg. Even in the comment section, I was surprised that no one up until now mentioned the names of Rocky Colavito and Frank Howard, or even Ted Kluzewski. And I am glad Jim Kaat was inducted this year, for he wasn't only a solid player, but contributed in several other angles of the game, including broadcaster, who covered interesting profiles. Too bad broadcasters are mentioned in another hall of fame. With his combined contributions, Tony Kubek would be considered. But coaches and managers are. Which surprises me that Johnny Sain wouldn't be there. Not only a solid pitcher for the Braves alongside Warren Spahn, but also one of the greatest pitching coaches of all time.
These are all great choices; nice job!
Forgot Dale Murphy. 2 time mvp in 82 & 83.Several gold gloves & silver slugger awards. The heart & soul of the Braves after the Hammer retired. The Braves weren’t that good back then but Murphy was awesome..
It’s just not right keeping him out of the Hall. One of the 5 best players of the 80s..
not a HOFer... he's got a little over a handful of great seasons. I see and get that, but he fell off hard post 1987.
Seems like a part II could be made
Dale Murphy won NL MVP 2 years back to back Ryan
I've ranted about Dale Murphy's snub for decades. In addition to the stats/achievements that others have already noted, he was the first player in history to make the "30/30 Club" - 30+ home runs and 30+ stolen bases in the same season. His performance CRASHED when he went to the Rockies but his years with Atlanta were sensational.
The fact that Dave Stieb is not on this list just shows how unappreciated he really is.
Stieb is a tough sell for most, but I gotta tell ya, growing up being a die hard Tigers fan and living and dying with both the Leafs/Wings rivalry AND Jays/Tigs rivalry..I have mad, mad respect for Dave Stieb, both for being a fierce competitor and a masterful pitcher.
The BEST pitcher of the 80's!!
Not a Hall of Famer
@@erickennedy3322 If Morris is in, Stieb should be as well.
@@chrisoneill4865 Morris should not be in either.
Your top 3 are mind boggling
Very very solid cases on the others
Ya got me there; haven't heard
Smack dab in the middle for years...
Good list, solid research...
Of the players I saw couldn't agree more...Fred Mc Griff, Keith Hernandez, saw the front end of Andruw Jones career...but Lou Whitaker.. what's highly irritating about this is that he played alongside Alan Trammel for many years!
Great list. I would have included Kenny Lofton too, but the top 10 list is a tough list to pick. McGriff and Schilling probably should have been first ballot HOF'ers too.
The Schilling one still pisses me off. There are currently 65 starting pitchers in the HOF. Curt Schilling is ranked as the 39th best pitcher in MLB history based on WAR I think, meaning that assuming all 38 players ahead of him are in the HOF that there are at least 20-25 pitchers statistically worse than Schilling currently in the hall. Plus, there are literal alcoholics and wife-beaters in the HOF, but Curt doesn't get in because of saying mean things on twitter. It's baffling
@@ethank4692 While I think it's silly to keep him out, It is belittling the concerns of voters to say it's just mean things on twitter. And society agreed already that alcohol is a disease.
Lofton statistically has as good or better of a case than pretty much everyone mentioned if we're going by WAR.
@@ezridaxsgender3914 Notice you ignored the fact that there are wife-beaters and murderers in the HOF. And I'm not belittling anything. These are grown-ass men who are abusing their positions of power and prestige like a bunch of petulant children because they personally think someone is morally in the wrong. The "concerns" about Schilling that you speak of should not exist because it's the HOF, not a popularity contest or the "nicest guy" award. And even then, the concerns about Schilling are that he is a Republican at best and that he hates immigrants (which he really doesn't if you actually listen to what he says) at worst. He never cheated, never did illegal substances like coke or meth in his playing career, never had serious legal trouble on or off the field during his career, and statistically is better than almost half of the starting pitchers currently in the HOF.
And if we want to talk about whether the voters have "legitimate concerns about Schilling", they voted Derek Jeter into the HOF as a first balloter. The dude was consistently ranked as one of the worst shortstops in the league in terms of WAR basically his entire career and fired a man who had terminal cancer because he didn't want to have to pay for the guy's medical bills. I would argue that is more fucked up than anything that has ever left Schilling's mouth and yet Jeter got in no problem.
@@ethank4692 please expand on what you said about Jeter. This isn’t a sarcastic reply. I’m unaware of what you stated
5 that come to mind for me.
1. Bobby Mathews: Has the most wins by a pitcher not in the Hall of Fame at 297, was regarded as one of the greatest pitchers of his era and one of the progenitors of the curveball. Should be a lock for the HoF, but has been forgotten about.
2. Thurman Munson: One of the greatest Catchers of all time, taken from us too soon. Before his tragic death he was a Rookie of the Year, MVP, 7x All-Star, 3x Gold Glover and 2x World Series Champion. It is baffling to me that Thurman Munson isn't in the Hall already.
3. Elston Howard: His accolades alone make him a Hall of Famer. A MVP, 12x All-Star, 2x Gold Gloves and 4x World Series Champion. He lacks the counting stats of most Hofers due to missing the early part of his career due to segregation and his military service.
4. George Van Haltren: Yet another forgotten player from the early years of Baseball, George was regarded as one of the finest leadoff hitters of his time and over his career he notched over 2500 hits, sported a career .316 batting average, drove in over 1000 runs, scored 1642 runs himself and swiped almost 600 bases. Another should be lock for the Hof forgotten by baseball.
5. Joe Torre(as a player): People seem to forget that Hall of Fame Manager Joe Torre had quite the career as a player. Over his career as a player Joe won an MVP, batting title, a gold glove and was a 9x All-Star. He accumulated over 2300 hits, over 250 homers, drove in almost 1200 runs, scored almost 1000 runs himself and had a .297 career batting average. He should definitely enshrined in the Hall as both a player and manager.
None of those picks belong. Numbers just aren't there. It's definitely not the hall of good. All these players had plenty of fluff mediocre seasons
One pitcher with the most wins and not in the hall has to exist barring a tie in wins. It might as well be Matthews.
MATTINGLY MUNSON GARVEY WERE GREAT .THEY BELONG IN THE HALL OF FAME
@@robertpaciullo1540 I agree
I definitely believe that both catchers should have easily been voted into the HOF……. i’m still going to scream from the mountain tops that shoeless Joe Jackson belongs in the Hall of Fame
Really good list. Cannot dispute especially the Andruw Jones and Fred McGriff picks.
When i started watching this, I said aloud, "I hope he includes", and said "Dick Allen" in tandem with you. Well-researched and entertaining as always. Thanks, Eric!
I expected to see Dave Parker, Thurman Munson and/or Don Mattingly on this list.
Thank you. Someone acknowledges the late great Thurman Munson.
Short careers. I would put Munson in because his career was ended not by injury or declining skills, but by death - that is to say, there is no reason to suspect that he wouldn't have continued contributing for another five years if not for his death.
Roger Maris! 3 WS rings, 7x All-Star, 2x MVP, Single Season Home Run Record, & a Gold Glove! The NYC Media just didn’t like him because he showed up Mantle on his own team!
I think it's the lack of longevity that's keeping Maris out of the Hall of Fame. He only played 12 seasons from 1957-1968. (Similar situation with fellow former Yankees player Don Mattingly.)
Worst snub of all time
I’m not a Yankees fan but it’s a crime Don Mattingly has been snubbed !!! He was a savage hitter ! Feared by any pitcher he faced ! I know his injury shortened his career but for 7 or 8 years he was the best hitter in baseball ! Not to mention the most he struck out in a season 43 times ! Crazy
Nothing against Mattingly but he was not the best hitter in the game. There was this guy named Tony Gwynn that played at the same time.
@@angelicalynn1259 Yea I know all about Tony Gwynn ! He was an incredible hitter ! But To compare Him to Mattingly is unfair to both of them ! Mattingly hit for high average but also was a power hitter ! All I’m saying is he belongs in Cooperstown ! I watched both I’m 61 ! I actually think Rod Carew was on the same level as Gwynn ! Mattingly put up insane numbers ! Rbis and hrs along with batting average
Also Mattingly had only 9 healthy seasons ! His last 3 he played in constant pain ! Gwynn had 20 seasons ! Don’t get me wrong Gwynn had a perfect swing ! Great hitter !
@@vincentmaniscalco4421 A 162 game average of .307, 20 HR and 100 RBI (hitting in the middle of the order) is alright but nothing spectacular. When you include his defense I would say he has a better argument than Schilling does. For one he never had actual bad seasons.
Mattingly only had four or five good seasons and only 222 career home runs. I’d vote no.
EXCELLENT, HBB!!! (Former JUCO All-American and 2nd round pick..."bust"} LOL! BTW, Frank Robinson was my hero, but thanks for acknowledging Dick Allen who was mentioned in spring training a few times during hitting practice by our hitting coach. the late Tom Robson. Your number 1 is so sad...but so well deserved.
Dick Allen may have not been popular with the media, but a lot of us kids loved him.
When I was like 12 years old I saw Dick Allen play for the A’s. Ok once I was sitting right above the pen. Like five times during that game he’d sit with the pitchers to smoke a cigarette. He was DH that day. Lol imagine seeing that these days. Legend.
Exceptional video. Thank you for putting in so many clips I had never seen before. Saw Andruw Jones here in Atlanta up close and personal for years. Let’s not forget he hit 50 home runs one year and became the youngest to hit home runs in the World Series. McGriff and Murphy should also be in.
Thank you!
Watched Jones in Atlanta as well. He should be a Hall of Famer. I agree that McGriff should be as well. I wasn't into baseball when Murphy played but I have family who are diehard fans of his and agree with you.
interesting list, you make some good arguments. McGriff & Schilling are definitely the obvious snubs who definitely were among the top players of their time.
Great video !
Loved watching Crime Dog no matter what team he was on.
In addition to the strike in 94 if he didn’t get injured in 03, the only major injury of his career, when with the Dodgers he probably would have gotten to 500 that season.
Then in 04 during his second stint with the Devil Rays if he had actually gotten consistent playing time he definitely would have gotten to 500.
Vida Blue, same stats as Catfish Hunter, Cy Young, 3Xworld series winner, 6x allstar, AL MVP
He only won 20 games twice. His best days were with the As. When he went to the Giants he had one decent year and the rest so-so.
He was also a switch hitter and won the mvp in both leagues
I'm so happy and appreciate that you put my favorite Tiger on your list, Lou Whitaker. I cant believe Trammel got into the hall but Sweet Lou has been denied multiple times.
Andruw Jones was absolutely HOF when he was with the Braves but the moment he went outside the south his stellar numbers and play went south.
As a kid living just outside Philly Richie/Dick Allen was my favorite player. One controversy in the early 1960's was a run in with Johnny Callison who was on the same team. Allen seemed to be another of those the media, didn't like because he was outspoken. He was a very positive and self assured man. Some took as arrogance. Your list was SPOT ON!!
WAMPUM
Dick was great with the White Sox too.
@@your_royal_highness Reading Jim Kaat's book. He was great friends w/ALLEN
I think Kenny Lofton would be at the top of my list. His influence upon any game he played in came in many ways. He could rob you with his glove. His base running was elite. When a homer was needed, he could do that or a clutch single slapped the other way. If he played in NY, they'd have a statue of him in center field. Small market players get sh*t on with all this stuff.
Great point and I wholeheartedly agree. Lofton was also extremely consistent and never really lost anything with age, he numbers were freakishly consistent from the start to finish of his career.
Lofton is the only player in history with 600 steals and 600 xbh that is in the HoF. There were 8 others.
Problem with Lofton is he switched teams more than Anne Heche.
@@alltruthmatters4395 why is that a problem?
@@alltruthmatters4395 That is the problem, being with a small market team like Cleveland. They couldn't carry all those stars of the '90s, early '00's, at the same time. But the peak of his career had him with the Indians 10 out of 11 years. # of teams sure didn't hurt HOF qualifications of Henderson, Gossage, Alomar, etc. NOBODY can tell me that they wouldn't want a peak Lofton over a peak Harold Baines, whose WAR was 38.8 to Kenny's 68.4. Baines is in the Hall.
You can make a case for Paul Konerko: 439 home runs, 2300 hits, .280 career average, 1400 RBI, ALCS MVP, number retired by White Sox, 6 all star games and a WS ring. I don’t know what more you can ask for as a power hitting first baseman/dh
Not hof numbers in the live ball era!
Great video of snubs! I would also add John Franco (ranked 5th all-time in saves), Bill Madlock (4x batting champ), 2x MVP Dale Murphy & Donnie Baseball Don Mattingly!
Fred Mcgriff, loved watching him with the Jays. It always looked like he was going to hit one out with his stance. And yes , he easily passes 500 if not for the strike year. Absolutely worthy of the HOF,.... but as this list points out, for some reason(s) or another, the committee sees it differently.
Because he was Quiet and not controversial. If you erased the players that were cheating and taking all the awards (mvp, all stars, etc) all these players in this list should be in.
While I agree with this list there is one very large omission. Tommy John won more games (286) than any pitcher who is not in the Hall. In fact, in today's game 200 wins is am extreme rarity. Added to that is the famous Tommy John elbow surgery that he pioneered. More than 50% of today's pitchers have benefited from that surgery.
It is deplorable that he is not in the Hall.
Jim Kaat finally made it in via the veteran's committee and he had similar numbers to TJ.
I agree that Tommy John should be in and also David Cone who won a CY Award with KC, had a perfect game, a 19 strikeout game, and was part of 5 world series championship teams. He was 194-126 for his career with 2668 Ks; I'm guessing if he made it to 200 wins he would already be in.
@@patrick_m_GA Jim Kaat got in (rightfully so) because of his amazing SIXTEEN gold gloves, his pitching stats were an afterthought. I am hoping that garners support for Keith Hernandez
I definitely agree 100%, he should have been a billionaire had he trademarked the term. But I heard somewhere that technically speaking, he wasn’t the first person to get that particular surgery
Jim Kaat?
A lot of good baseball players never make it in, some have careers that are too short to really define them as a HOF. Players like Don Mattingly, Jim Edmonds, Todd Helton, Fred McGriff, Dale Murphy had solid careers snubbed by HOF, but Jeff Bagwell was able to get in. Tim Lincecum achieved so much in a short time he and Sandy Koufax are the only pitchers with multiple cy young award, multiple world series rings, no hitters but won't be a HOF despite what he accomplished. Some players like Jim Thome, Craig Biggio, Trevor Hoffman, Mike Piazza (Thome 600+ Homers, Biggio 3000+ hits, Trevor Hoffman 600+ saves and Piazza, probably the best hitting catcher of all time.) didn't make it in on their first ballot.
Excellent list!
I grew up a McGriff fan, met him as a kid in 86 in Syracuse in the minors, super nice and took the time for all the fans....it hurt me to know he never really got the credit he deserved and as a 44 yr old man I got teared up when he finally got the call. I plan on going for his induction this summer.
Outstanding list and video. Hard to fine anything you said here to debate with, but honestly, I'd have Dick Allen even higher considering his oWAR of 70.2 puts him in the elite categories. When we see Hall f very good players like Harold Baines and Jim Kaat get into the Hall, it's hard to take the writers and Veteran Committee voters serious when these guys are still not in the hall. The only other players that may have deserved inclusion was Bobby Grich (71.1 WAR, 6xAS, 4xGG only drawback was poor post season hitting). I'll look forward to your next video.
There's actually a lot to debate, considering 30% of this list possibly makes the hall within a year. This is probably my least professional baseball YT page I sub to in terms of production and ability to do storytelling and screwing that up, to the point where your video is maybe 30% outdated within 12 months is just not a well made list.
Rolen is making it on the next ballot. Helton and Jones possibly too but if not they are in on the 2024 ballot in all certainty. It's fundamentally flawed to include active ballot options as snubs, especially when all signs point to them pretty much all getting in eventually
I played against Allen (we called him Richie) for three years when I was 10, 11, 12. He was a gifted athlete and cool kid. He played for Wampum and I played for Neshannock starting in 1952. I strongly support Dick's induction.
McGriff is my favourite all time first baseman for the Toronto Blue Jays. Also I would have included Bobby Bonds and Dale Murphy, but this was a great list.
This is great. I can't believe some of these guys aren't in the Hall!
I'm a devout Yankees fan and I still can't believe how Thurman Munson and Don Mattingly aren't in the HOF. Also one of my favs growing up - Dave Parker!!!!
Dave Parker was a franchise player and one of THE best players of the 1970's. Dominant offensively and defensively. The media didn't like him and whenever he was hurt or played poorly because he was hurt, they roasted him because he was the highest paid player for many years.
1000% agreed, saw Munson when I was very young, but Donnie his whole career, both deserve it, moreso Thurman! Donnie might get forgotten because of his back injury kept his numbers down, but he was the best first baseman in baseball for about 6 years easily
Bernie Williams was a major contributor to the Yankees Dynasty and was clutch through his entire career. His post season accolades are above and beyond others that are much less deserving yet are in the HOF. The Yankees would never have been WS Champs 4 times, with 3 other WS appearances without him
@@robertguida8997 Munson was good. Not HOFer though!
@@5rings16 Thurman was one of the best of his era! I think if he could've played an entire career, & not had been lost before his time, then I think he could've gotten his due
Loved your post. I saw many of these fellows play and after your accolades for each, it is baffling. I have no one to add other than an honorable mention of Will Clark. He was overshadowed and virtually replaced by the greatest, Barry Bonds. If Will had been able to finish his career with the Giants, would his numbers have been better? We will never know.
I really thought the 94 strike hurt both him and Matt Williams for HOF,they were tearing it up that year!
Will "the thrill" Clark.
He had that Texas tough guy look like Nolan Ryan. I think they are both Texans to be honest.
I liked Clark's stance. It was so unique.
@@willp.8120 I loved his sleeve tug and his follow-through. And that Nuschler face. His first HR when he pointed to his parents when he hit the HR off of Nolan was iconic.
Will was only great from 86 to 92, that dose not make the cut. He was poor man Donnie baseball
@@erickennedy3322 He resurrected when he started with the Cardinals, replacing the steroid kid Mark. But, yeah, injuries and personal matters got in the way of a longer career.
Very eloquent and convincing video.
Good list. As a Phillies fan (or phan) my whole life, I saw a lot of NL games. Many of the guys on this list were feared when they came to town to play the Phillies, especially the Braves players mentioned. Allen and Schilling should certainly be in.
I know I’m a Reds fan, but Dave Conception had better numbers than the other short stops of his era. Batting average, power numbers, stolen bases, and fielding percentage.
Good job Kerry! Davey's numbers alone are equal to the great Ozzy Smith. Postseason heroics are completely overlooked. Penalized for being on the best team of all-time! Thanks for mentioning him!!
So right. He deserves to be in.
Vada Pinson gets overlooked too. His WAR was a bit low but him and Willie Mays were the first to be on a short list of at least 2,500 hits, 250 homers and 250 stolen bases for a career.
@888theGreat untrue
@888theGreat He had better numbers in all those categories than Ozzie. More power and stole bases
Can we get some love for Dave Concepcion, Bill Freehan, Mickey Lolich, and Bill Bukner
Concepcion was penalized for playing on a team with other good players. Freehan and Lolich for playing in a small market and Billy Buck....not sure....he had the sweetest swing I've ever seen.
@@originnone Unfortunately, Bill Buckner is only remembered for that one play in the 1986 World Series, and not for the player he was.
@@stevegallo8483 and if you watch the entire inning in which it happened, that error was about the least bungle the Red Sox did.
@@originnone As a lifelong Red Sox fan, I remember that inning very well. The bullpen collapse led to the Buckner play. Also, during the regular season, Buckner would have been out of that game before the 10th inning. He would have been pulled for a defensive replacement because of his bad legs.
And the late Thurman Munson. Thurman has been all but forgotten by Cooperstown.
Impressive and informative list. Sweet Lou Whitaker was my favorite player coming up. McGriff was the real deal. Thanks!
I think you did a great job of summarizing the Curt Schilling controversy. While some people may very strongly disagree with him, we are mostly judging off of baseball talent, with a smidge of how he acted when he was playing, and not after.
It's how the left works. Either you espouse of their dogma or you get destroyed.
Great presentation, and as a Braves fan, I have to agree on McGriff and Jones.
Jones makes it in 2023 and 2024. I love him but it also feels silly to call that a snub
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Plus, they have World Series rings from 1995
And that a Japanese star won Rookie of the Year over Chipper Jones in the same year is criminal! At least, he's in the HOF.
@@nicoleknight9412 what does the guy being Japanese have to do with anything? Nomo earned it
@@ezridaxsgender3914 I think he wasn't making a nationalist case, it's just ridiculous to call a guy in his prime who has won the equivalent of cy young awards in Japan a "rookie" just because he hasn't played here. It was ridiculous with Ichiro also IMO. These guys came in as seasoned professionals, and the rookie term is a bit ridiculous for international players.
@@robertdouth8979 nah it's not ridiculous with Ichiro. The NPB on average is basically AAAA talent. Ichiro deserved it and that's coming from a Cleveland fan who loved Sabathia
Great site, thanks, just discovered you. I got to see McGriff in his time with the Jays and it was tough seeing him traded alongside another hall candidate, Tony Fernandez, who simply made every play from short look easy. The person I am going to bang the drum for here is my man, the one and only, Dave Stieb. His war during the eighties was so good compared to others it wasn't funny. Bert Blyleven was a distant second. I might very well be biased with Toronto being my team, but I'm sticking with Stieb. He was not a fan favourite initially with the writers, but my concern is not with the writers.
Dave Stieb was such a beast.
Stieb no doubt deserves to be in
Greg Maddux is my all time favourite pitcher, followed closely by Dave Stieb. Unless you were a Blue Jays fan and watched a lot of the games he pitched you wouldn’t understand how good he was. Stieb’s career stats are deceiving, he was a fantastic pitcher
Stieb gets a lot of credit now with one of the nastiest sliders ever too
Where did u get best WAR in 80s though?
Ryan 43.7
Blyleven 37.7
Morris 36.4
Stieb 36.4
Watching how Aaron Judge got bogged down with all the hoopla surrounding his pursuit of 61 HRs despite the whole country pulling for him makes Maris’ record all the more impressive. I remember how most bb fans didn’t want to see the Babes record broken and if it was, they wanted Mantle to do it.
Maris broke the record in an expansion season where pitching talent was more diluted and had Mickey Mantle batting after him to protect him.
@@peterdagata1610 ... OK?
Look man you play the game you play. Maris hit 61 home runs over the fence in an MLB season. He went out there and played the game within the guidelines of Major League Baseball.
"Expanded... bogged down pitching..." blah blah. You're really harping on the already established legacy of a dead guy in a game that's centuries old on the internet. Move along.
@@peterdagata1610 And Ruth had Gehrig batting behind him when he was hitting those homers. Great teams have great players on them. Maris won back to back MVP awards, one those the year before expansion occurred.
@@peterdagata1610 and Ruth played in an era where pitchers had 2 or 3 pitches and didn't throw that hard. And Judge didn't get death threats or was called a poser by the media. Maris was. The man wore so much stress that he began losing his hair. And he still hit 61 home runs. You do and do that.
@@peterdagata1610And he only played 12 seasons. But his peak was not very long even for 12 seasons.
Great list. I was kind of expecting to hear the cases for Dale Murphy and Don Mattingly, though.
Dale Murphy is def a curious one. Back to back MVP, all stars, played multiple positions. Top 3 player in the early 80's.
From 1964 to 1974 Dick Allen's led all of Baseball with a 165 OPS+. It was better than 17 future Hall of Famers who played in the same time frame, including the likes of Mays, Aaron, McCovey, Cepada, Killebrew, Frank Robinson , Bench, Banks and Billy Williams. For his career Dick Allen's 165 OPS+ ranks him tied for 22nd All Time. The only player ahead of him and who only played partially in his era is MIckey Mantle all of the other Hall of Famers from his era are behind him. Most of them can't even sniff him because they are so far behind. OPS+ is considered to be the Fairest stat out there since it takes into consideration the Era played in, pitching and size of the ballparks. That's why some Historians and Experts believe that Dick Allen should be in the Hall of Fame based on his career 165 OPS+ .
Greg 'the Bull' Luzinski did much more for the Phillies than Allen ever did. If Dave Parker isn't a HOFer than Dick Allen should not be in either.
@@patrick_m_GA you obviously didn't see him play at Connie Mack Stadium.
@@frogcarf And you probably never saw Dave Parker play at Three Rivers Stadium. I did see Allen play at the Vet in the mid-70s and he was washed up by then, his best year was 1972 on the South side of Chicago.
@@patrick_m_GA I worked at Connie Mack Stadium and Veterans Stadium. I saw all the Greats play.
Outstanding information. All the best to you and yours.
You absolutely MUST put Dale Murphy on that list. But, think about this for a minute. Look at the Atlanta Braves players that were on your list already. That speaks volumes in that the voters don't like players for southern teams. Murphy won back-to-back NL MVP awards in 1982 and 1983 and won countless awards. I even remember him winning the all-star game with a homerun, but the voting had already occurred prematurely allowing Gary Carter to be the recipient of that award before the game was over. Talk about being snubbed!!!
"players for southern teams" do you really think it's that or the fact that it's consistently midwest and flyover teams. Do you really think Atlanta or Texas are the only thing? There are some snubs for Cleveland and Detroit players as well, and the Cardinals were listed with Hernandez and Rolen. If you put up good numbers in NY and LA, you will get in, but in flyover country you have to break records.
His career fell of a cliff at about 10 years. That's always been the argument against him, the lack of longevity.
@@Bikebrh I always favor dominance for less years over "compilers" who were never dominant like Don Sutton. Dale murphy had more hits, rbi's and total bases in the 1980's than anyone. For those years alone, he should be in..
@@MrAitraining I like both. If you are a reliable top 20 percent player for 20 years you are at least as valuable as someone who had seven great years then fell off the edge of the earth. Don't get me wrong, i probably would have voted for Murphy, but players like Sutton (or Ryan, who amassed some amazing counting stars by playing 25 years) are an easier case to make.
@@robertdouth8979 Agreed. That's why, IMO, the BB writers should be kicked out of the HoF committee, which should be strictly of PEERS...past and present players, coaches, managers, and front office execs. They act as if no MLB exists either east of the Hudson River or at Chavez Ravine. BTW, how are Dodgers fans enjoying their "premature" winter holiday? Karma's a witch with a capital "B"!
Love the list. Some additions I'd include would be Jim Edmonds, Kenny Lofton, Thurmon Munson, Luis Tiant and Tommy John.
I consider Tommy John Surgery to be a Performance Enhancing Device, so no.
@@roygoodhand1301 Good one! Not a bad comedy bit!
@@FailedIPcheck No, really. Look at everyone who's had Tommy John Surgery and you'll see that over 70% of the time, the player is noticeably better then they were before TJS. Even Justin Verlander has gotten better (SOMEHOW... I mean, his stats pre-TJS were already Hall-of-Fame-worthy!) after TJS.
Thousands have had TJS, and over 70% have been better after TJS. Tommy John Surgery, more often than not, has resulted in performance enhancement.
Thus, Tommy John Surgery should be considered a Performance Enhancing Device, just like steroids are.
I've seen several of these top 10 or 20 type shows on You tube and I like them and thank them all for doing it because I love baseball, but this guy is the best. Future HOF for sure.
Billy Wagner is gaining traction among voters and I see him getting in before his 10 tries are up.
Wagner won't get in because he played for Houston.
I forgot he was still active on the ballot. That means nearly half of these guys, the book isn't even closed on. Yet guys with stronger cases like Lofton (higher JAWS than even Andruw Jones) got 3.2% on their first ballot and don't get an honorable mention. Too much recency bias
@@rwhutchnlj that and he couldn't get Atlanta out in the playoffs.
Sutter>Wagner
Mattingly and Hernandez should both be in the hall if you ask me.
read Keith's book "Pure Baseball" - it lays the game out for you about how it's played.
I am a New Yorker, Yankee fan (and non-Met hater) and Mattingly was my favorite player, and I think that neither belongs. Both qualify for the hall of very-very-very good. Problem is that both of their primes were a bit too short, Mattingly because his back failed him. That said, a friend once asked me if I thought Kirby Puckett deserves to be in the Hall. I said "absolutely" and he responded that Puckett and Mattingly had almost identical stats. I looked and he is largely correct, though Pucket hit .318 to Mattingly's .307, which IS significant, led his team to World Series victories, and you really cannot compare guys who played different positions. But it was a good argument nonetheless.
Mattingly was great but not long enough and his play fell completely off the table and held on too long.
@@stephenjohnson9632 A bit of an exaggeration. Mattingly finished with just decent years because of his back and, having retired at 34, he decidedly did not overstay his time in MLB.
@@gheller2261 last six years were average to mediocre. Average to mediocre from 28 to 34 doesn’t get one enshrined in the Hall. Negative 2.4 WAR over that span.
Great presentation. Lofton is another glaring omission, and some would argue Dave Parker should be in there, as well. Tommy John and Steve Garvey's exclusion are also baffling.
WOW. This is EXCELLENT information. I am 66 years old and remember almost all of these players. I thought they were in the HOF. Based on how well they played. As you said... this is very sad news. They need to fix this.
love it! I just became a fan of Fredd McGriff
Dick Allen was a super star when he played . His name on this list is a shock. Steve Garvey definitely should be there also. Curt Flood was the best center fielder in the game until he was robbed.
Curt Flood should been their just for his sacirfice.
@@erickennedy3322 absolutely ! Not to .entire he really was the greatest center fielder I baseball at the time. His was truly a sad story.
Totally agree with every one you mentioned. Especially Dick Allen, Andrew Jones, and Fred the crime dog Megriff!
I used to have a Fred McGriff poster from North Point Mall that had a Braves store in Atlanta way back. That 1st night in Atlanta when there was a fire and he hit a HR was electrifying
I still think Will Clark should have been more in the conversation.
I did happen to look at that, Johnny Damon‘s numbers are slightly better
Will played in an incredibly unfair ball park at Candlestick to hitters and his career stats were also overshadowed by the juicers. I don't think he will get in but if you saw him you can't forget the beauty of his swing.
Mcgriff is a no brainer though. Hall of fame voters should be embarrassed,
Garvey before Will Clark...
Garvey certainly was a major star in his prime and l wouldn't oppose his induction. I do think he had a better lineup surrounding him than Clark and played in a better hitters park. But Steve did deliver on the road as well. I haven't really looked closely at Damon's numbers but l seem to remember a couple of great seasons with a fair amount of him not being a scary hitter. Clark struck me as the most clutch of the three with Garvey second and Damon third. However for a couple of seasons Damon was really good but his time as the most feared guy in the lineup of his teams seemed much shorter to me. Or maybe l wasn't watching baseball closely enough in his prime.
@@othgmark1 - Dodger Stadium has NEVER been considered a "hitters" ballpark! Bottom line, compare each players stats and accolades (i.e. MVPs, All Star Games, World Series Appearances, Etc.) and it's not even close! Garvey has the #'s and should already be inducted. Garvey's omission from the HOF is all personal and nothing to do with his accomplishments on the ball-field!
My two cents. No love for Albert Belle ? Career cut short by injury, does not detract from the fact that the man had one of the best 10 year stretches in MLB history, 1199 RBI from 91-2000 including 103 RBI his final season when he had to literally limp away from the game.. We all know the writers had a hard on for the guy and screwed him in 1995 when he was easily the MVP. Yes he was an A**hole but that doesn't mean he should be dismissed for it.
Why not? That's the ONLY reason Pete Rose isn't in. Just as sympathy for adding Rose was beginning to turn in his favor, out comes yet ANOTHER lurid detail of Rose having sex with a 16 yo girl. . .which he doesn't deny. That did it in the poll of public opinion for Pete. Maybe the moral aspects of a players conduct is weighed more than it should be. I don't know. Yet, it's part of the equation. Pete will never make it in. Belle either.
F Albert Belle. What a punk b.
I understand the message they're portraying about gambling, however the fact most players strive to get 3k hits and Pete Rose is the only one that has 4k+ MLB hits but STILL not allowed in is sad
Great list. Agree with every single player identified. All these folks recommending other names aren’t necessarily wrong, they just require a bigger list because they aren’t more deserving than the ones you identified.