Mushoku Tensei 2x23: "Let's Go Home" // Reaction and Discussion
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Anna and Ben react and discuss season 2, episode 23 of Mushoku Tensei: Jobless Reincarnation! #mushokutensei #mushokutenseijoblessreincarnation #joblessreincarnation
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Roxy's goal: make Rudy stop being upset about Paul.
Result: Rudy and also the entire audience are no longer upset about Paul.
Mission accomplished!
Paul isn't dead, he's inside Rudeus this whole time
Now he can took the title scumbag with him.
Side effect: The audience is now upset about Roxy or Rudy instead lmaoo
Really took her job as the master seriously to show us how it's done.
@@Vertutame you're right 😂
Ana gets it. It might be the first female reactor that had a mature/smart take on the matter, that doesn't take it personally and its not completely emotionally incontrollable and spouting out in the mic whatever criticism they have over the situation. Congratulations to Ana. Its definitely good to see someone using their brain every once in a while
I agree wholeheartedly! Another one would be Anime Date Night. Definitely check them out if you want another mature female take on it.
don't mind me, i'm just waiting here to see people come angry at you calling you names and how it turns out, its a whole anime these comment sections heheheh
Agreed. After Adorkable (who usually has a perceptive take on things) from YaboyRockLee could barely contain her disgust and disappointment with this episode, Annas view on it *very* welcome and refreshing. It's nice to see a female reactor who doesn't just go "...this is cheating!" and then completely shuts down for the rest of the episode...
Playing with fire here, but I have to laugh ... I DEFINITELY have noticed a very stark gender split in reactions to what happened in this episode. This might overall be the first channel I've seen whose first instinct was to contextualize what happened by the different moral standards of the setting, and this is a big part of why this channel does analysis so much better than most.
Anna is very smart
"Before Sylphy was my grandchild, Roxy is my bestie" - Elinalise, probably.
Not probably it's actually something she said more or less lmao.
She literally say this in novel, a bit different phrasing but the same meaning.
Exact words by her in the light novel
she literally says this in the LN
Basically says yes sylphy is my granddaughter but I barley know her whereas Roxy is a close friend that she wants to see happy.
You guys are seriously some of the most mature/intelligent reactors on the platform. Always enjoyable to watch your reactions and the discussions after.
I think the key is the empathy they display
One of the few reaction that did not yelling and act mad at Rudy or Roxy, but try to thinking in different angle.
Great reaction, that's the kind of reaction I want to watch, to see diff people thinking and try to understand what the author is doing on their way, but not just obsessed with some "JUSTICE" and keep judging the characters' words and deeds.
Especially those who even judged people who provide different views. Sadly so many are putting themselves on a moral high ground and look down on people who thinks differently
if you want to see other reactors who didn't get mad and gave a good perspective, watch "The Brothers Yeo"
Only other reaction of the kind I've seen is the Brothers Yeo channel. Very mature reaction and discussion
I love how in Mushoku Tensei the characters feel so genuine and real. Everyone has their flaws, no one is perfect, but they always try to be the best person they can be. The growth that each one experiences in their own way is something that always manages to move me.
On the other hand, I liked how Rudy was able to go from seeing Roxy purely as an object of adoration, perfect and without any flaws. To realize that what he always felt for her was love, she was literally her first love.
If Rudy didn't listen to the Man-God, he would have met Roxy much earlier. I guess you can call that destiny
@@liatsu1757 Yup, for some reason the man god doesn't want Roxy and Rudeus to be together...
Nice pfp, love that album!
the anime paints a different picture from the source material, more logic and less mental illness. not better just different.
@@jthadcast yeah, I read the novel and loved both approaches. Those are different but none of them seem bad to me. Although the novel is my favorite due to the amount of details and extra content
One thing I like about this episode is that they were totally upfront about their feelings. Roxy admits what she did was wrong, that she was being selfish, and she doesn’t try to justify it. Mushoku tensei has some of the realest character writing.
Roxy doesn’t try to justify it, but for some reason, the fans are trying really hard to do so lol
@@higashikatajosuke98 because it is obviously in part her trying to shift the blame completely to herself. Yes she saw her chance and took it, yes she might just wanted to find an excuse to do what she wanted to do, but at the end of the day, she did the right thing, Rudeus needed that help. It is just a "bad" thing if you see it from a deontologist perspective where actions are bad because they are bad. If you analyze it using a consequentialist perspective, the did the action that brought the best outcome.
@@higashikatajosuke98 Roxy is also taking the guilt so that she can deflect any feelings she or Rudy might have to allow her to "step aside" because shes made her own assumptions about what the outcome will be. She wanted to save Rudeus and then take the fall for her own actions. However, instead Rudy decides to open up and try to "make them both happy" as he said.
@@higashikatajosuke98 It shows that Roxy is trying to take all the blame, despite it was her who offered the hand and companionship to pull him from his grief. Roxy is trying to justify to Rudy that her actions are "taking advantage of him" when in reality she was trying to help Rudy.
@@higashikatajosuke98 Ehh, I feel that the vast majority of the "outrage" from this episode is aimed at Rudy and not Roxy. It's "Rudeus who cheated / is a dirtbag / promised he would be faithful", etc, when the truth is that yes, Rudeus did cheat... *but* ... and it's a big effing B-U-T.
"I am also aware that is me putting myself and preconceptions of me as an individual onto a character that is not me" so refreshing to have people that can think about thinking.
I'm genuinely impressed how these two are able to fill in almost all of the LN details that are left out of the anime.
If you look at the clues, it's not that hard. Most people don't pay that much attention when watching a series/movie and they want it spoonfed to them.
Because “show don’t tell” actualy works in a visual medium. Who would have thought.
Autosave continues to be the GOATed Mushoku Tensei reactors/analysis. Love the sane reactions and analysis at the end.
Yeah, Autosave and JDanime are my favorite MT reactors.
I'm glad you guys are mature thinkers. I really felt comfortable watching you guys and not the gossip that heats up the monogamy debate.
5:16 - The way they both pulled back in the chairs and Anna holding onto it. 🤣
Thank you Anna, your view on this polygamy thing is perfect. Sure, we can be pissed at the idea, but they can do what they want as long as all of them are consenting.
That's not a rare take...
@@kamikaze.33 I never said that it's rare lol
This is why Autosave are the GOAT, Love how they fill in the 'cut content' pretty accurately without help.
The amount of EQ needed to be able to empathize with Rudy in this very unique situation while understanding this is not our real world but another fictional world.
Personally I actually love the changes make to Roxy actions here compare to the novel, it make her more Mature comparative to the novel version. Which it should be since she's Rudy's master and like 40 years older than him. The way the portray how there is a deep connection between Rudy and Roxy but they both trying not to step over the boundary more than they already have is so awesome. Love the 'show don't tell' approach the anime take.
God I hope season 3 will happen, Please season 3 Fall 2025?
What is EQ you mention?
@@agengprabowo9005 probably emotional equivalent of IQ, or just emotional maturity.
Just watching how you guys handled the part of Roxy with Rudy, I can now say 100% that you guys are my new favourite reactors. Some times people got to understand that this still a show about a guy that revived in a magic world, not a section to dump all their feelings and insecurities in
Finally you guys are few people who understand about "Use their world standard/PoV". They aren't Millis follower and Sylphiette also suggest Rudy to marry in early episode of this cour (obviously she explain it for different reason)
Man I really love how open minded these two are. Best reaction channel.
i gave every reaction channel you can find on CZcams a chance, and yet none of them are at your level. i live for these half hour discussions and it makes me happy to see how in depth you go in your theories, it truly shows that you are enjoying the show and not only watching it for the sake of it. at this point i am starting to watch series after series (even those i wouldnt give a chance to sometimes) just so i can see your reaction afterwards, hell rn its 3AM and i stayed up because i have been waiting for this reaction since the episode dropped (and its also the only channel i watch only on my phone because on my pc i have and ad block). really thank you for these reaction, hope you'll hit 100k soon :)
I also recommend Brothers Yeo's reaction on Mushoku Tensei as well! They also shared thoughtful and open-minded comments
One more I like is Psyculturists, it is longer analysis, but even as LN reader it give me some new things to love about Mushoku.
You guys are one of the smartest and most mature reaction channels I have ever come across in my decade of CZcams.
Y'all don't incessantly blab about the first thought that comes to your mind with every scene, or try to make obnoxious jokes. You listen and analyze.
Y'all don't immediately react and talk shit when emotions get high. You guys actually try and view the author's perspective and see what they were trying to say.
You guys are truly one of a kind in this subgenre of CZcams.
The author understood that a certain number of people would not accept this episode, but they put a lot of effort into making it more acceptable to a wider audience.
The remarkable aspect of this work is the thorough construction of customs, morals, and ethics in the alternate world, which adds a lot of credibility. Additionally, I think the way characters like Paul and Elinalise, who might cause psychological resistance based on our own ethical standards, are introduced as a lead-up and buffer for this episode is brilliant. This is why I feel it's considered the pinnacle of the "Narou-kei" genre.
I largely agree, but I think this wouldn't have felt so jarring if the resolution to Paul, Zenith and Lillia's relationship had been better explained. Even a couple sentences explaining that Paul had married Lillia in an official capacity would have set this up. I knew how this was gonna go, and I still felt this came out of left field, since polygamous relationships didn't come up anywhere else till now.
One thing I think it was a missed opportunity to build up how relationships works and differs in this world from our world is the mercenary tribe vs succubus in Bergaritt. How women warriors have to have sex with charmed male warriors to free them and the pregnant ones go home to raise the kids and go back to the group when the kid is old enough to survive on their own.
I highly doubt the author gives a single F about how hurt people are over here, he doesn't even bother to check. The anime has changed small things from the very start of the anime not just this episode, so I don't think him or the stuff treated this episode any differently than any other episode.
I hope we get a second MT anime someday because this scene could have been done so much better.
Imagine Rudy after a month without bathing, holed up in a room full of flies and rotting food. Maybe show Rudy's hair falling out or something to indicate malnourishment.
NOW Roxy has to go into there and try bring him back to life.
If the scene had been portrayed with more severity everyone would think Roxy is a hero and just be glad that Rudy is alive.
That actually concerns me. Because trying to reach the wider audience waters down the experience. The characters already felt realistic and heavily flawed in the novels, but I the changes here I'm not so sure was a great idea because Roxy being aggressive was a bit out of character for her and I already like how the difficult subject matter is handled. I just hope no further changes happen.
This has been by far a top 3 reaction to this episode out of the countless ones already out there. Psyculturists and Anime Date Night are the other 2. It takes serious emotional intelligence to truly understand and appreciate the depth of what’s actually going on in this episode.
havent heard of anime date night. love autosave and psyculturist to death, will check them out thanks!
I dont get the appeal of psychulturist
Idk if you guys know this or not but you two are everybodies favorite Mushoku reactors, the amount of love yall get on Twitter in crazy, even in the Spanish speak Mushoku community, and imo it’s nothing but well deserved🙏🗣️
Always happy to see the best reviewers ply their craft!
Its not odd that you didnt realize Lilia didnt marry Paul. Its frequently discussed in the book that Lilia's guilt/self-worth complex makes her act like a servant. Not terribly healthy, especially because of how it effected Aisha.
Also, its key to recall that polygamy was legal in Japan until 1898. Its much more ingrained in their idea of 'medieval stuff', in much the same way western creators try to make every medieval show about powerful houses under a lord. Where Japan thinks of 'clans ruled by councils' or Chinese think of informal clans that just 'happen' to ace exams for generations as opposed to ingrained nepotism. Its almost an unconsious need to inject a bit of your culture's development and context into something you are TRYING to make foreign.
I need context on Japanese and Chinese clans. I thought they were simply democrasy lite and dark horse stories
@@ryaz4704 It was super democratic! That you married your daughter to your successful coworker, had their son tutored by the best tutored by the previous year's high ranker and the kid scored extremely well to get a cushy gig was a coincidence! That this is the norm is merely that you studied harder and had better karma! We totally aren't nepotistic, Jim in accounting was a country peasant!
Irony aside, ancient chinese dynasties went through dramatic attempts to look meritocratic but in practice the exams were heavily slanted on knowing specific texts with the right answer. It was a rigged game where a very smart handful of peasants getting a low ranking job was the proof of fairness. Powerful families still functionally had power but they pretended they were self-made and every rival family were the nepotistic ones. It was like the worst extremes of modern universities on crack.
@@curiousinquisitor59 I said democrasy lite as a joke to how they still held voting but only internally between the higher ups. But thanks for the context. I think I saw something similar to what you've explained in the anime Apothecary Diaries
Not polygamy. Polygyny. Polyandry which is the other type of polygamy was illegal in Japan and the rest of the world as well. You have to search quite hard to find a single country/empire/civilization that allowed polyandry. And that's mainly because of our biology as humans.
Paul in heaven cheering on his son talking about the two swords.
I don't think the Mushoku Tensei world has an afterlife, because of how mana works, which makes Paul's dead even sadder.
Unfortunately, no MT heaven but I can totally see Paul laughing, waving 2 swords! 😂
"I thought so! That's my boy! Wahahahaaaa!"
@@fcgHendenhow would he know then? Is there some kind of spiritual realm everyone goes to?
Personally I think he goes to the opposite of heaven
@@fcgHenden It's a lie from Hitogami. remember, everything Hitogami say is bullsh*t until proven otherwise.
Even if the anime did things differently than the novel, i think the studio did a great job with the time they had. It still managed to transmit the same feelings that i felt when i read this chapter in the novel. Also kinda glad they skipped a certain part of the conversation Elinalise had with Rudy, it made her look really manipulative in the novels
As a non novel reader it felt pretty rushed to me tbh. Just comparatively to Eris who had a whole season of buildup, then sylphie who had a whole half season (which I admittedly criticized for being to slow, but still when the time came I felt fulfilled bc there was proper buildup). Even tho I know the idea is that Rudy and Roxy already knew each other, their connection was never as deep as the other 2 girls. So yea we all expected this but imo it happened way too quickly where I just dont feel any empathy or connection to Roxy whatsoever. She still feels like an old side character to me and I feel they could have at least given 1 full episode for Rudy to wallow in his sorrows, and then maybe do this next episode. Also just to clarify I don't have any problem with polygamy and actually enjoy the show challenging social constructions.
In regards to skipping the Elinalise conversation, I actually would have loved that sure maybe it's manipulative but that's actually real and authentic which I would prefer over making the anime more "friendly". I want to see the ugly sides, that's part of the reason I fell in love with Mushoku in the first place, it felt different than any other show and pulled me in. But season 2, while still good, has felt like it's slowly creeping closer to a generic shounen harem isekai. Which scares me bc I genuinely LOVE this series. I hope it's maybe just a long setup for an epic season 3
@@QdawwgI would agree but I'd rather not get the show cancelled, thank you 😂.
@@QdawwgI get that you would feel that way, Roxy's impact could seem minimal from a viewers perspective, but to Rudeus it was huge. They lived together for a few years when he was a child, studying and learning about each other every single day. She "cured" his fear of going outside the house, a huge issue for Rudeus so far as to establish a religion around Roxy and see her as a God (it could be seen as a recurrent gag but for him the impact was that big), and we got a few episodes since rescuing her from the labyrinth of bonding again (skipped many of those moments in the anime).
I agree this could have been better paced, but I don't think Roxy is a stranger or had not as much time with Rudeus as the other girls
@@Qdawwg The biggest difference I see with this depression is that after Eris he was entirely alone, no family, no friends, no one that loved him to even try to help him. Even after finding out about his ED and burning the bridge with Sara, he had Soldat and his group to lean on. So I can buy into the "quicker" recovery, though the travel across the desert to the teleporter circle would take them atleast a month, and we see in the montage he's still heavily leaning on Roxy to move forward.
Rudy was way more desperate in the novel, I feel like they should have had him looking like a hobo covered in flies, that would have reversed everyone's opinion of the situation, because if Rudy was outwardly disgusting then Roxy's act would actually be seen as selfless because Rudy was practically at death's door.
This is why Autosave is my fave reactor! ❤️ I always look forward to their post discussion and it never disappoints!
Ben looking like a disappointed father😅😂
Hello guys. I’ve been thinking this for a while now but this last video cemented it for me. Let me tell you how grateful I am of finding this channel, in which I can listen to 2 adults talking about what happens in fictional media using the tools and context given by such media. Honestly, it’s so refreshing and makes me appreciate your channel so much that I just wanted to take this opportunity to say thank you, keep doing what you do, and that you are a treasure to this community. Greetings from Peru.
24:00 My personal take is Elinalise is still much more attached to Roxy than she is Sylphy, who Elinalise had effectively no contact with before the wedding, so it makes sense that Elinalise would strongly favor what is good for Roxy over what is good for Sylphy.
I had the impression she wanted happiness for both 🤔
@@magicflierplays There is no way around she is hurting Sylphy by endorsing Roxy.
Having general goodwill doesn't mean she isn't taking favorites.
@@budthecyborg4575she also seem to be generally more mature than all of em. Taking the elder stance and considers everyone's well being in the long run. Sacrificing her own feelings regarding her grandchild. Seeing Paul growth even when he ends up w 2 wife also take a part in it i think
Also she probably felt some what guilty of the situation since (LN skipped content) it was kinda her idea to bang the depression out of Rudy.
@@budthecyborg4575Yes but Elinalise didn't say "take Roxy as your wife, even if Sylphie leaves you". She is only able to say all that because she is putting faith into Rudy being able to love them both equally and that Sylphie wouldn't be opposed to another wife because she doesn't follow Millis. If the conditions weren't so favourable, I'm not so certain she'd still endorse it.
best discussion and understanding of this episode i have seen from ANY reactor to this episode good shit. mad respect
I am so happy you guys understand! I was super nervous for how you'd take this episode's content, and the maturity and depth you guys exhibited is so refreshing!
Great discussion, its rare to find people than can understand the nuances and intricacies of flawed characters and other worlds where our views/morals dont apply.
I love talking about Mushoku also going deep into it its such a great series with flawed characters and a lot of people miss this.
Great video. 😊
18:20 Is a great polygamy introduction. The two woman have a deep connection with him, is not something for the luxury or momentary passion. Is a little harder relationship to manage, but is possible.
28:40 Yes, that's what make me like so much Mushoku. The complex conflicts dealing with reincarnation appears, when in most of stories play no role (that I have read/seen at least).
35:40 Zenith state is so hard to see.
一夫多妻制への捉え方が多くの日本人より柔軟で嬉しかったです。
世界が違えば常識も異なるということへの理解力が高い！
+1 no solo entre Japoneses!
Por eso estos chicos son los mejores
Not in other world even, in our world it was prevalent during the medieval era and still exists and accepted culturally in certain parts of the world. What matters the most is consenting adult agreeing to the relationship.
GOAT reactors for not judging this from our world view values
Novel readers should be ashamed all week they have been complaining about skipped content Ben and Ana out here understanding everything without having knowledge of the novel is crazy they are genuinely the smartest reaction channel out there they too good at what they do
It's also funny when cut content was present ever since S1 ep 1 and now they're complaining 😂
To be fair, passing judgment based on top performers is.... questionable.
I'm fine with the cut content mostly, as the show is still several times better than I ever dared dream it would be (I still remember I never wanted it animated because I knew for certain the many potential fanservice moments would get played up and ruin just... everything). But even the best adaptation stood no chance of containing everything, and they do need to get to certain points by certain episodes (Couldn't well end a season on this episode as an example) which demands pacing changes.
With all that said lets not pretend there haven't been a few (just a few) questionable choices, and even outside those, quality content that it would have been nice to see. The culture of Begaritt is an unfortunate casualty of pacing. For many it might have better lubricated current events (malleable family dynamics). It's an acceptable loss, but unfortunate nonetheless. Some people just mourn such things a bit... sloppy.
For every reactors like Ben n Anna I can point out 20 who couldnt do the same. Your point being?
@@ReshapableCompletely agree
Sumimasen!!! Though I recently got into the novels maybe that's why I had the cut hit me so badly 😔😔😔
I was checking the patreon every hour just waiting to watch the episode with you two! Anna's reactions and expressions were so funny throughout the live reaction! I loved this so much, you guys are the best!
Oh my god, this reaction and discussion is pure bliss after some of the thoughtless takes I've seen online. I love you guys and your channel, you greatly enhance the experience this story provides to us all by sharing your own takes on it and I really feel like I almost always leave your videos with another interesting perspective on a series I'm invested into.
Easily the best discussion I've seen out of any reactor, when it comes to this episode.
I am always impressed with Ben and Ana's reactions, but this episode especially blew my expectations out of the water. If I could only watch one CZcams channel AutoSave would be the one!
i knew i can count on you guys for a good take
Your reactions/reviews are the best 👌🏽
U guys are amazing! Your reactions and the talk u have after ep finish are so refreshing and enjoyable to watch.
I love that u can understand each character desition, and that they can make mistakes, they are complex characters.
I wish the rest of "reactors" can learn one or two things from u guys.
I love your view regarding Mushoku the most. Thank You for you beautiful reactions❤❤...
Specifically your end discussion is so great.I wish you people were a LN reader because there's a lot of context missing but you guys reached a conclusion almost the same as me. Great reaction as always..
I love your reactions and involvement with the story and how many questions you ask are really on point.
This is what best reactors are like 😤.
These two are the only reactors I watch when it comes to Mushoku Tensei, and they never disappoint
No spoilers but Rudy's story is officially done and written. We have lots and lots of content to go through if the animation studio is allowed to animate all of it.
Wait wdym Rudy's story is done?
@samarthgautam Volume 26 of the light novel marked the end of Rudy's adventures.
Just wanted to point out the callbacks that this show likes so much. The "you'll have to ask me again later" obviously parallels when Rudeus asks Roxy the same thing in season 1 and she tells him to ask again in a decade. The last episode and this episode obviously corresponds to the corresponding episodes in season 1 cour 2, the fight episode followed by the romantic episode, with Rudeus broken and Roxy even straddled Rudeus like Eris did.
I feel like the message of this episode ultimately was what Roxy said about needing to cherish the future and your current family. The message is framed by a brutal world where people die in combat. So it's almost like you need to fight "fucked" with "fucked", like, "both my parents are incapacitated, well screw this, I'm taking a second wife". Being greedy, not missing any opportunities, because in a brutal world you have to take everything you can.
also lol @ Anna's "good ending" to Mushoku Tensei. We're going to need one of those Fate cooking series for the MT characters.
thanks, love the discussions and thoughts around this all
Some people really forget the old times, and mad about this episode religion and time really changes people. at the end of the day this is an anime and I love and appreciate the story telling~
5:15
Your eyes are as big as old school anime characters.
18:15 As a polyamourous person, Mushoku Tensei hit different for ne. I actually HATE most "harem" animes, full of fake relationships, pervy moments treated like affronts, and usually none of the possible partners getting a chance to express their feelings. So, when I see actual loving, concentual, joyous unions of more than two people, it's beautiful and romantic, and relatable. Even most other animes that contain poly-type relationships do it for comedic value, i.e., 100 Girlfriends, Isekai Maou, Date A Live, Kanojo na Kanojo (though none of those loving parnters are just for giggles.
Rudeus is damn serious about his feelings and his behavior towards whomever loves him. I mean, Sylphy called it when she got with Rudi, saying she understood if(when) he brought home another woman.
Goddess bless, just seeing Roxy again was enough hype for me for seqson 2!
Glad to see someone with a nuanced take. Everyone else has been treating this like Rudy is an evil cheater, he was mentally destroyed… he lost his Father, Mother, oh and his left army all at once and then Roxy jumped him. Like if there is ever a reason to forgive your partner it’s this situation.
Its quite amazing how you guys can get most of the small cues of the series even when they skip a lot of things from the novel.
I was curious to see how Ben would react since he was so sure Rudeus would NEVER go for Roxy haha XD.
i made a threads about this episode, saying that this show is not the normal show people always watch and we know how to filter good and bad things that shown in the show. but then some of people start to attack me instead of saying their own opinion lol its crazy
Commenting for the algorithm.
Great reaction and review
Kudos
Your reaction guys is the best
Loved the reaction and discussion ❤
Lilia is such an amazing character!
autosave my favorite mt reaction channel
this show has the most respectful way the protagonist can have a harem, each wife is significant to the story and well fleshed out, their feelings taken into account, and the protagonist cares about them all equally. NOBODY is just there to be a token "harem member"
harem stories where they keep the relationship vague with every member is pretty crappy but what I hate even more is when the protagonist have chosen one partner but still keeps a vague potential relationship with all the others anyways. Man up and make clear your relationship with the others dangit
25:35 But, remember, Norn is a serious Millis believer.
Great point Anna, is a different world, different social construct.
The book explains Zenith is a big follower of the Millis religion. I can't recall if the anime went out of their way to explain that.
This episode had an infinite amount of skipped content, if you want, here are some of the most important things:
- (this one possibly will be next ep) The group went back to the hydra room to get the loots and do the sharing;
- We saw Rudy's body state but it was not clear, actualy some days passed and he wasnt even eating;
- The group discused a lot, they wanted Elinalise to confort Rudy, but she refused even after some insistence, so they was thinking about pay for, lets say professional help. Only than Roxy decided to do it herself;
- Roxy told to Rudy about a companion she lost that was very important to her. But Rudy was thinking not just about Paul but also about his past life parents. Than he almost told her that he's reincarned, he talked hypothetically but it was kinda clear, and after that her response was near the same as in the anime, his story was resumed as "what should i do now?";
- Not much important but, Rudy made the move on Roxy after she says some times something like "if im not good enough, we could call a "proffessional" or elinalise";
- The whole episode should be more dramatical on Rudy and on Roxy, poor Roxy went through shit, she really loves Rudy and went on all this shit, she was crying at night;
- The conversation Elinalise had with Rudy was a little different. 1st The novel made clear the poligamy was normal in this world and the exeption was Millis Religion, this also was a thing with Norn seeing Rudy with a "different woman" (Sylphie not Eris) when they arrived. 2nd Elinalise was conflicted, she loves Sylphie but she also like Roxy, she actually nows Roxy for more time than Sylphie and saw her kinda childish about romance and well, all this situation led her to lied to Rudy, on the LN Elinalise said Roxy was Pregnant after Rudy choose to stay with just Sylphie;
- I guess, the whole time notion was strange, it feels like the episode ended like about 4-5 days after last episode, when they had it just for Roxy do Rudy. I dont remember the real duration but it should've been arround 2 months (so Elinalise's lie makes sense).
There was more but this ones made me so unconfortable with the adaptation
You guys are the most interesting and intelligent reactors on youtube. The only one that can rival you are Wes and Steph. Eager to see their take on this episode!!!
Roxy's dad be punching air rn
Nice reaction and discussion!
Paul did had something with Lilia before he even met Zenith, they were swordsman students, and paul deflowered Lilia back then
You'll know more about Zenith's condition next time they visit Millishion. You'll probably have to wait until S4 or S5 though...
Great reaction, dont understand why some people got sooooo furious like it was their boyfriend cheating lol
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Really good react!
Even outside the context of "another world" and "different religions/societal structures," I find it very believable that in grief people would seek warmth, companionship, something that makes sense when nothing does. Physical touch and s3x make a lot of sense because it is so ingrained in our basic make-up. We don't need to understand it to know it can work, or at the very least be desirable. It's like a defense mechanism.
It is the very basis for why Elinalise, Geese, and Tallhand suggested Rudy needed it, suggesting a brothal after Elinalise refused and said Roxy should do it instead.
What we, as thinking and feeling beings, do with that form of therapy determines what happens beyond the surface level healing. Outstanding circumstances and emotional responsibilities are separate things and should be addressed accordingly.
Just a quick clarification about the time line. The events of the labyrinth and its aftermath was a bit over 1 month.
For example in the novels it is explained that Rudy had not been eating or talking for over a week at this point, he was barely drinking water and doing the bare minimum. So he was actually in a worse spot than what you might initially think.
Love your reactions though, looking forward to next episode!
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Bon sang les jeunes, je ne vais pas vous mentir, vous êtes bons, tous les deux !
Vous avez gagné un abonné.
Très bonne analyse. Une bonne prise de hauteur par rapport aux personnages et au monde décrit. Vous avez compris que Rudy n'est pas " parfait ", il n'est pas un " héros " d'une anthologie ou d'un poème épique.
Il avance dans la vie ( ou plutôt, il reprend sa vie là où il l'avait laissée avant en terme de maturité ) à tâtons, en faisant des erreurs, en ayant des doutes comme n'importe quel adulte. Nous ne sommes pas infaillibles, nous faisons juste de notre mieux. Nous faisons ce que nous pouvons même si, d'un point de vue extérieur, nous pouvons toujours faire mieux.
Ici, un point de vue chrétiens s'oppose frontalement à cette prise de décision de polygamie mais en réalité, c'est un autre monde, d'autres eus et coutumes. Rudy était contre l'esclavagisme et pourtant, il a fait un compromis sur le sujet. Il a beau être tout puissant, il est loin de pouvoir changer le monde à lui seul. Le tout ne se fait pas sans interrogations.
Maintenant, reste à savoir la réponse de Sylphie ( bien que je me doute qu'elle dise oui, après tout, il y a quelques épisodes, c'est elle qui avait énoncé le sujet de la polygamie ).
Merci à vous d'être généreux dans votre sérieux, dans vos prises de notes. Il y a là un vrai respect de l'œuvre produite ainsi que du spectateur de vos vidéos. Vous ne nous prenez pas pour des imbéciles et cela fait énormément de bien.
J'espère voir bientôt la dernière réaction de la saison.
Prenez soin de vous.
Bonne journée :)
You just get it, Gramps !
A hero's journey should be like this.
The sterilized "I'm the perfect human with unshakable morals" type is just boring
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According to my calculations, season 5 will be the finale (but I assumed there are gonna be 2 parts per season except season 5, so it's 9 seasons in total) and it will be released on 2028 janurary and will air until march. So there is plenty of story and lore to build :D
one thing that is mentioned in this episode and that is taken up much later is that Rudy sees himself as an impostor, even though he wants to take advantage of that second chance, he does not stop thinking that he took away someone's opportunity to live.
Having read some untranslated parts of the Roxy manga... Paul mentioned during the planning of Rudeus' fifth birthday party that he was born blue and he wasn't breathing.
@@Tounushi if you read the novel, then you know exactly why no "original" Rudeus exists in any other time
@@aerostorm_ I know, but those aren't relevant for AOs to know right now.
I love the discussion, this is a cool react video👍 as a original source reader, this address a lot of the problem that is mention in the LN, ofc since its an anime they had to skipped out a lot of context and content.
Fun fact: During the discussion between Elinalise and Rudeus, Elinalise threatened Rudeus into marrying Roxy because Roxy got "pregnant". Basically, "take responsibility" type stuff.
Jesus christ u guys are the first one that i see that get many things, im subbing.
the only thing that i dont know if u guys read in any comment is that this part of the plot was changed to make rudeus look better and be more acceptable, in the original rudeus makes the move in the bed scene, roxy went there because greese wanted to make Elinalise seduce rudeus to see if he gets better, and some other things
In the LN roxy was more acceptable
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Unfortunately, The anime is a bit too concise. The anime has cut out some important stories and didn't do it as well as the light novel. Many people may not understand this ep. I've read the light novel of this anime, everything has a good reason.
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This development isn't surprising, but somehow am shocked how it was happened.
18:42 OMG! She actually gets it! 🎉 😂
btw the part where Rudy is saying he hasn't changed at all etc is actually the first time Rudy actually tells someone he is reincarnated. the episode didn't make it as clear but that's what has basically happened there and Roxy's answer to Rudy when he asks her what he should do now when she says you should cherish the family you have left etc it was all with that context
You're missing the fact that Norn was mad at Rudeus and complained to Ruijerd "He's with a different woman" because the first time she saw him was with Eris. So definitely she will not acept this poligamy
Holy shit that last part of the analysis sure was something lmao
LN readers will definitely know what i mean. It sure soumds like a dream, doesn't it?
The more characters yap about 'losing memories', the more I believe that she's a comatose lunatic who did not lose any memories...
It's not like monogamy is a global standard even in our world, and polygamy isn't considered immoral in many places, monogamy is just the standard in the culture you happened to grow up in.
Monogamy is a pretty recent concept, too. It spread alongside with christianity, but we've only had a global Christian idealism for just about 300 yrs or so.
I mean, culture-wise, monogamy is pretty much the standard around MOST of the world, not just in Christian nations. That said, there's definitely plenty of examples of polygamist families doing their own thing within those cultures. But it's rare for a nation itself to be anything other than monogamist. Also, to the people saying monogamy is a "recent" development in history, what the hell is you're definition of recent??? Because for AT LEAST the last 1500 years, monogamy has been the standard throughout most of the world. I personally wouldn't call that "recent" but I know in the grand scheme of the world's entire lifespan, I suppose it's "recent" in some sense of the word...
@kamikaze.33 I'd argue this is a Eurocentric take as 1500 yrs ago is when this cultural phenomenon had started to be spread through christian reformism and neighbouring non-christian countries adapting similar lifestyles. I'd also argue that most of those seemingly monogamous societies are actually more polygamy tolerant than strictly monogamous. In fact, ethnographic studies from the 60s had shown that polygamy was still dominant as recently as back then, taking over 80% of the surveyed groups either having frequent or tolerant polygamous societies. (An almost even split between both tolerant and frequent, weighted towards frequent and more common for polygyny than polyandry)
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There’s good reason we embraced monogamy though.
Men were sick of being nagged by multiple wives.
Enjoyed your thoughtful reactions, esp. re. Elinalise's role. Within the setting, besides Sylphie, Rudy, and Roxy (and Norn and Aisha, though this is a small thing compared to losing Paul and rescuing a disabled Zenith, which is likely their main concern), it will be interesting to see Princess Ariel's reactions (and Lukes). Ariel in particular is super-protective of Sylphie, but then again, she's pretty liberal about such things and used to Greyrats, I think she'll be chill if Sylphie is okay with it -- adding the famous king-class wizard Roxy as an ally further strengthens her -- but she could be Rudy's worst enemy if Sylphie is hurt. Roxy has a legendary rep at the magic school, so the beast girls will obviously be okay with things ("strengthening the pack!").
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Me and my friend think there's at least 3-4 more seasons to be adapted. This stuff is like a prequel from what he says. That is wild to think about, but if there is any show/LN that would make me believe that, it's Mushoko Tensei.
24:50 is that an official prediction?
In the end, Elinalise had known Roxy for longer than recognizing Sylphy as her granddaughter...
1 thing im really scared is now Rudy got to tell about Paul death to Norn and Aisha. I dont to see how they gonna react to his death and to the state of Zenith now
Roxy literally toke Rudy out from his house, TWICE. She’s one of the most important woman in Rudy’s life.