The Dark Secret: Life After Abortion
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- čas přidán 28. 06. 2011
- Produced By: Natalie Faith
Natalie Faith talks to 3 post-abortive women about their journey of facing their abortion decision and finding hope and forgiveness. Each worked through the post-abortion recovery curriculum, Living in Colour, written by Jenny McDirmid, who is post-abortive herself.
FEATURED IN REPORT:
Jenny McDirmid-Author-Living In Colour
Dionne, Susan-Post-Abortive
Jutta Wittmeier-Centre Director, Calgary Pregnancy Care Centre
For Help: Calgary Pregnancy Care Centre: www.pregcare.com
I had a girlfriend who had an abortion and was insanely depressed about it.
I was 32 and pregnant with twins. It was the worst thing I've ever done. I cry every night over that bad choice I made. I've confided in a lady at church and just talking about it has taken a lot of pain away.
And I was on birth control and in a monogamous relation for 10 years and had three teenage children.
If I could do it all over again I wouldn't have done it. It's the worst thing ever
This is a well done piece of reporting -all trauma is trauma. Few are willing to admit abortion is trauma.
My heart goes out to the women who have had an abortion, to deny that they go through this pain is utterly disgusting. Stay strong, grow in your faith. God forgives you even whem you cant forgive yourself
I pray for the women who are broken about it
Thank you to all the women who are breaking the silence.
I had a friend when I was a teenager and she kept getting pregnant, several times a year and she would use abortion as regular means of birth control. After her 7th abortion, I just couldn't tolerate being around her. I mean they were all bad however, just seeing someone so careless with life pissed me off.
A truly pro-life person would NEVER judge a post abortive woman.
My girlfriend had an abortion 30 years ago & we broke up shortly after as we were working in different countries. She never married or had children, I often wonder if this was the reason, I certainly regretted it after and every day since despite getting married and having 3 children.
My healing after 35 years came through many years of a walk of faith through Christ coming to know the scriptures that say that there is now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus. It is only through the blood that we are forgiven, but I finally mourned and grieved and acknowledged the lives of my babies and named them and am coming out with my testimony.
There maybe some Christians who judge but not all, so I disagree with that part. When Jesus reached out to the Woman at the well he didn't turn her away, he forgave her and told her to sin no more....Jesus brought us Love and Forgiveness...We all meet Jesus at some point with sins hanging on us..I believe he forgives all sins all we have to do is ask!!
I’ve had two abortions with the same man. The latest one was this year. I have to leave the state and drive 15+ hours all alone. I’ve never felt more depressed and alone all while showing a happy face like j am ok. So so poor too. And when he only gave me half the money I asked him for I just went into my car and cried and screamed the whole way home because I knew I was going to get kicked out of school for not being able to pay for the semester because of my abortion. I still haven’t spoken about it to anyone. No one even knows I got one.
My very close friend had told me she had gotten pregnant 🤰 at 18 she was living at home with her parents. Her own mother told her to get an abortion. She wasn’t going to help or let her own daughter or grandchild to live in her house. That’s so horrid for her mother to tell her to kill her baby. She did get the abortion. I wished I’ve known her back then. I would have talked her out of it not to kill her baby.
What worries me about abortion is that many women may commit suicide for the guilt that they feel. The death of the babies hurts so much. But we pro-life people have to do more and involve more so pregnant women can feel supported!
I'm not sure where these women went in terms of pro-lifers/the church, but I am pro life and go to an awesome church that would not condemn you. The Holy Spirit will convict you (point out where you went wrong), but condemnation is the devil's work. We would introduce you to Jesus, and help you start healing, not poke at your bruises.
also the police considers the fetus a baby when it is inside of the mother , and you kill the mother
you are then responsible for 2 murders
wtf that's a double standard
I know was an unplanned pregnancy is. I could NEVER have aborted. I would NOT have been able to live with myself if I had. He's 38 now. God IS Good!
Thank you very much for this video!
May God continue blessing you and calling Humanity to conversion, closer to Him!
thank you for your courage and testimony!
Personhood is properly defined by membership in the human species, not by stage of development within that species.
Something nonhuman does not become human by getting older and bigger; whatever is human must be human from the beginning.
Personhood is not a matter of size, skill, or degree of intelligence.
The unborn's status should be determined on an objective basis, not on subjective or self-serving definitions of personhood.
actions. let me set an example- you are broke, you need to pay rent or whatever-
there is a bank- the thought of robbing it goes through your mind to be able to resolve your financial situation- YOU HAVE A CHOICE to make-whether to rob the bank or not. yes you have a choice, however one choice is good, not going through with the robbery and the other is bad, robbing the bank. just because you have choices doesnt mean they are all the right thing to do. life is always the better option
women if you call it a baby when you are not going to commit abortion , that it's a baby even the mother want's a abortion
something remains the same ,regardless of other opinions and acts
if a woman wants the unborn baby and then in a few moments after she knows her boyfriend dumped her decides to have a abortion , that unborn baby remains in the same state , her decisions don't change the state of the unborn baby
if before it was baby it's a baby now also
3:30 If that's true, you need to find a new church.
4:06 What you have done? Yes. But that doesn't mean that we hate you. That is a very important distinction that many people don't understand.
Resolving the question of when human life begins is critical for advancing a reasoned
public policy debate over abortion and human embryo research. This article
considers the current scientific evidence in human embryology and addresses two
central questions concerning the beginning of life: 1) in the course of sperm-egg
interaction, when is a new cell formed that is distinct from either sperm or egg?
and 2) is this new cell a new human organism-i.e., a new human being?
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it's not about forcing someone , it's about doing what's right and just ,
How does one access this group? How much is the cost and where is it?
the fetus is human you admit that , if it's human he must have human rights , so he has the right to live , you can't take that for him just because the fetus is a inconvenience to you
your opinions about who deserves to live or die can't take that right from him
the fetus is not part of your body , this being said you can't say " my body , my choice " because the fetus is not your body ,
you can do whatever you want with your body , but not with the body of somebody else
Where can you buy this book?
you don't understand what i was saying , if that fetus is a baby, he is a baby regardless of what the mother is intending to do with it, so there is a double standard there
the baby is not part of the mother , the have different DNA ( that means another person ), , the baby is there temporarily ,
the child may die and the mother live, or the mother may die and the child live, proving they are two separate individuals.
Being inside something is not the same as being part of something
for that comment the source was " Pro Choice Arguments by Randy Alcorn"
you say that i lie , show me exactly where do i lie , in what comments regarding abortion do i lie ?
Answer my this question: Why is it not ok to abuse you baby inside or outside the womb and why is it ok to have an abortion?
...I already explained to you.. I was alone and had no help rite? In a violent home? That CPS refused to help me. That I was underage and could therefore not get a job or live alone w/o becoming government property. Things were hard enough trying to care for only myself. I was suicidal already, attempted suicide once. I didn't trust the 'church' then and still don't now. Church and 'help' wasn't an option. A child in my home wasn't an option. Homeless 14yo on the street w/ a baby would be -c
Having a baby doesn't make nobody "struggle and end up failing/dropping out of college and all that other shit. " If you think that it does , you don't live in the real world or you are lying to yourself .
A baby is the best thing that a woman can have in her life.
Sucide has nothing do do with having a baby , most abused children were wanted by their parents.Child abuse has not decreased since abortion was legalized, but has dramatically increased.
so i think you are again wrong , ! sorry
well in my country Romania , witch is in the UE, if you kill a preganant women you pay for 2 murders period.
but this thing is logical , because if you consider the fetus a baby in the moment of the murder , like the police does in the first case , that things remains the same regardless of the intentions of the mother or her beliefs , the future events don't change how that thing is , the abortion did not take place , so it's irrelevant,
I can think off far better reasoning to use to try to talk some young woman out of deciding on an abortion, than religious dogma.
It hasn't got a very good track record of being promoted as good sense, or rationality.
One time I ate in the bathroom. I got all comfy in the bathtub when I was pregnant w/ my first son, and balanced a plate of pumpkin pie on my stomach, put on my headphones, and listened to rock and roll in the tub eating pie.
I felt so cool. It was really dorky. =)
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Based on universally accepted scientific criteria, a new cell, the human zygote, comes into
existence at the moment of sperm-egg fusion, an event that occurs in less than a
second. Upon formation, the zygote immediately initiates a complex sequence of
events that establish the molecular conditions required for continued embryonic
development.The behavior of the zygote is radically unlike that of either sperm
or egg separately and is characteristic of a human organism.
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NOT A PERSON LOL LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION THIS IS WHAT SCIENCE SAYS lol
LOL denial
the unborn baby is a alive human being because it has unique human DNA,the baby is separate from the mother is not part of the mother,Like toddler and adolescent, the terms embryo and fetus do not refer to nonhumans, but to humans at particular stages of development. Something nonhuman does not become human by getting older and bigger; whatever is human must be human from the beginning,
organism don't change species
the unborn baby is a living human being,science and logic show this
well Siamese twins are different persons in the same body ,if one dies the other will die as well just like the unborn baby in the first stages of development , and also dependency and who cares for them doesn't change the fact that they are human beings , human individuals
they have to do with pregnancy because if you consider those people persons you have to consider a person a unborn baby too, besides the fact that they are persons from the fact that they are human beings
in The child may die and the mother live, or the mother may die and the child live, proving they are two separate individuals.
in South Korea born babies are considered to be 9 months old , they know the value of human life and when it begins
How can I heal from the trauma
I m sick and tired.i can’t even close my eyes.
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you know what not your personal opinion make things true or false
Life begins at the moment of conception. This has indeed been proven by much scientific and medical research. As the Father of Modern Genetics, Dr. Jerome Lejeune has stated, "To accept the fact that after fertilization has taken place a new human has come into being is no longer a matter of taste or opinion…it is plain experimental evidence"
-c Try again, please. The fetus had no part in my mind when I aborted at 14. The only time the fetus' 'life' came into thought was when I considered how miserable the potential child would be if I allowed it to come to fruition. You gave reasonable examples of murdering PEOPLE.. but still can't grasp the set of circumstances and reasons at hand- stop trying to compare apples to sailboats.
its not a person, the motive, circumstances, and context are all wrong to be called murder. you're failing
When all else fails, start swinging the club and calling someone names.
Eh, you pretend half the things I said never got said- those sites also refer to the fetus in an aboriton as a fetus or embryo, not a baby- again, why do you think these sites you hold so dear.. follow the same lingual methods..? Calling it a baby when wanted or shown interest.. calling it a fetus when unwanted?
Implication is a big thing.
YOUN KNOW WHAT KIDS NEED , THEY NEED LOVE AND THEY NEED THEIR PARENTS THAT IS IT
...I won't have this argument w/ you over my own emotions.
No, I DIDN'T have those options. I had NO job, no education, was not OLD ENOUGH to live on my own- I was 14. I would have become government PROPERTY. I had no other family, no 'real' friends.. I'd rather have died than be at the mercy of complete strangers.
Things aren't easy when you're not an adult and need independence.
Sorry, but that's how it is. Don't like it? Too bad. Lucky you for not having to ever be in a position to -c
wtf are you talking about? you brought up blood in hand. and what do you mean i keep asking the same questions and keep getting the same answwers, this is the first time you posted anything to me.a fetus is a baby. look at old people. it doesnt matter at what stage a human is, whether its a fetus, a 3 yr. old , a 20 yr. old or an 80 yr. old. its still a human. what stage of growth its in is irrelevant the point is that it is a human. just like people with alzhiemers are still people so is a
IT'S A HUMAN BEING , WTF WOMAN ,
IF YOU SAY THAT A HUMAN BEING IS NOT A HUMAN PERSON , I ASK YOU THIS:
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE ?
i know i know , i want to focus on the grammar , also i fucking don't know the spelling of the words ,
how were the times of the verbs i used , i fucked up a lot ?
You can also choose to give birth to a child and give it away to lovely parrents who wishes to have a child
lol it's irrelevant if they put someone at at risk, or threaten their life/threaten their quality of life,or put them at substantial emotional risk
we are discussing here if the fetus is a human being that's it !
so the fetus is just like the examples i gave because he is human,can't use his brain at full capacity , it needs constant care to survive
in the case of those examples ,the killings of them is considered to be murder ,
from this you can conclude that killing the fetus is murder also
the fetus dreams, there must be some consciousness there
nobody kills them, so somebody takes care of them, they are not let to die, so yea somebody is forced to care for them ,
Personhood is properly defined by membership in the human species, not by stage of development within that species.
. Personhood is not a matter of size, skill, or degree of intelligence.
The unborn's status should be determined on an objective basis, not on subjective or self-serving definitions of personhood.
dependency doesn't chane the fact that a baby is a human being , wtf women ,
a baby is a work in progress ,a kid , a teen only adult is not !!!!
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well i'm not insecure at all , i know what i've done in my life , good or bad , i know who i am , and you know how i do that , i'm truly honest to myself ,you should try it !
I only wanted to mention the fact that you saying that abortion is a good thing for a woman , beside the fact that she commits murder,is just a lie !
I’m in this moment of my life that I discovered I’m pregnant.. I’m with a lot mental health problems.. my partner is from the other side of the world and not the best one Tó supporting I have 30 years old and I’m so afraid to not be able to live with this guilt .. can someone help me
Teresa, in times like these, it might be helpful to lean on a supportive community or find someone trustworthy you can talk to, like a close friend, family member, or even a counselor. It's important to take care of your mental health, especially now.
From a Christian perspective, it's important to remember that God loves you and is with you in every challenge you face. He cares deeply for you and your unborn child. A verse that might bring you comfort is Psalm 55:22, "Cast your cares on the Lord and he will sustain you; he will never let the righteous be shaken."
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-c down to 1 count murder, not two. Also, legally, until born the fetus is not a separate entity. It can't be removed, is not conscious, is still in such an early developmental stage it can't even be cared for outside the womb w/o risking serious complications.. I'm sure you are familiar w/ the mad panics that premature births cause, and how often they result in miscarraiges/severely-deformed children?
If you want to be anal about it, you could easily pass off abortion as self-defense because-c
Prior to the first trimester, the unborn already has every body part she will ever have
Every abortion stops a beating heart and terminates measurable brain waves
Like toddler and adolescent, the terms embryo and fetus do not refer to nonhumans, but to humans at particular stages of development.
Semantics affect perceptions, but they do not change realities; a baby is a baby no matter what we call her.
go to Church , pray for that kid , do something to mark his existence because that kid existed one time , pray to God so He will forgive you , so that kid will forgive you for what you've done .:(
women you made that person , you had sex remember wtf , it's not about a right , it's about responsibility and the fact that you women have a huMAN BEING INSIDE OF YOU , the baby doesn't take take nothing from you , it doesn't force you do do nothing , it just grows inside of you , mining his own business , and remember you put it in your belly by having sex ,
is it right that he has to pay with his life for the fact that you don't want your life to change ?
-c-
ritual what ritual is that?
-c SECURE situation before deciding to have children. Getting fired would not have hindered me, b/c I had insurances and money in the bank, and an educated, employed, stable relationship w/ the father, was engaged to him prior to the pregnancy, and he was financially secure and had backup plans as well. I was responsible beforehand and was ready to be responsible during and after. I wouldn't be so stupid as to jump into something headfirst w/o having plans, backup plans, and being prepared. -c
-c enough, I'll just give up and agree w/ you, instead of correcting the mistakes in words, terminology, context, and so on. It's not a baby. Of course I don't feel like a murderer or anything stupid like that- it makes no sense. It would be literally physically impossible for me to be a murderer. Why do you always feel he need to resort to personal accusations- telling women WHY they do this/that.. it's like you're trying to convince yourself, not us. You just can't accept that someone feels -c
Uhm... it affects you personally in a negative way. People aren't generally stupid enough to do away w/ things that make their lives better.. pregnancy obviously has it's pros and cons. I've had kids, I know this for a fact from personal experience. You've never been pregnant, and taken the weight, the pain, the nausea, the hormonal struggles, the emotional trauma.. even a wanted pregnancy can be hell. If it's unwanted, the stress and suffering is exponential. It's not worth it, morally.
options that woman have after going with the pregnancies, exist and you know them , ...
the argument is perfectly ok because then you said that you can't have 2 human being in the same body and you said that because you can't give the fetus to adoption because it's still connected to the mother
all things are unique so you can't compare pregnancy with anything
women i don't understand you , you said "That means death?/Too god-damn bad",
but you say you are a good person lol
in they US maybe , but in in rest of the world only if your life is in danger can you kill the villain
car-jacking, burglary, kidnapping, wrongful imprisonment, really woman , really ,
in my country if you kill somebody for this things you go to jail for 20 years
but again the fetus doesn't rape, kidnap ,imprison you , steal your car , invade your home , he doesn't steel from you so yiu can't use the self defense excuse not even in the US
forced organ/blood-doning lol woman ,realy really
-c through legal papers to give us all the same rights and property shit. Custodial rights, all of it. We're also not like, poor or whatever if you get that idea b/c there's three of us together, not two. We're all employed, and all college-educated. Taki and Abaddon are both healthy, well-loved, pampered babies.
It takes a lot to be able to afford 200$ designer booties for a baby, you know. We do our jobs at work and home seriously.
Actually the majority of women are like me- pro-choice -c
what i'm saing is that aldo is your body that's a different person inside of you ,that's not part of your body ,that's a human being , so you can't decide for himself , you can't choose to kill him because he fucks up your life , by the simple reason he exists
it's not your jurisdiction because you can't say that a human being is not a person ,regardless of the location of the baby, all living human beings are persons , dependency doesn't change this
you this in your soul that's a baby wtf
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Let us say that a baby is born 2 months pre-mature, and has to be in a incubator and hooked up to machines for a couple of months. That baby cannot survive on his/her own then. But try asking this question to the mother and father of this child. "Since your baby cannot survive yet on its own, it has not life". That mother and father would not agree with you. Also even if a child is born on time, can that baby truly survive on its own. If the mother abandons that baby , the baby will die
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Nope. I'm actually kindof too skinny. People always look at me and worry, and it's annoying. If I was fat, atleast I'd get some peace, maybe. Mockery is easier to deal w/ than overloads of concern.
Sorry, but if killing is legal to prevent.. rape, kidnapping, wrongful imprisonment, car-jacking, home invasion, and burglary, and none of these things put your physical life at risk.. but your livelihood and emotional health.. and if slavery and forced organ/blood-doning are illegal, abortion is -c
the baby is placed there and it's irremovable , on't affect the fact that he is a person , a human being just like in the case of Siamese twins , one is not more of a person than the other , more of a human being than the other , oldo they share the same body
the life of the mother is not put in mortal danger by the unborn baby , she has other options , wtf woman think , so killing of that baby is not maral , but in fact is murder
It is very important what the circumstances of the killing are. Killing is easily justified in amny circumstances. When it is inescapable, killing to prevent/stop something truly terrible is legally known as self-defense, or lethal force. neither of these terms are in any way associated w/ murder.
you also have to consider intent and motive.. again, you'll have to lie and speak FOR someone or ride over them to call it murder, like the womans going 'raar i hate this fetus die' .. nope. -c
Inside of/attached to, dependent upon= part of. Sorry, I've had two kids. I've also had one abortion. I should know.
My foot is human, but not a person. A wart, or cancer is human, is living tissue- but not a person. A dead body is human, but not a person ANYMORE- it's just meat.
Rape is also inconvenient as all get-out, and it doesn't kill you- it's just emotionally and physically traumatizing.. but somehow, we justify the use of lethal force- killing a human- to stop/prevent it.
Try again.
woman it's my honest opinion that you'll be sorry later , i'm just saying the majority of women are, so yea probabilistically you will be sorry
also right now more and more people are agains abortion !
also there are cards with fetuses at 8 weeks that look just like a human baby , so yea , that's a baby
i can show a video on YT on that cards
babe you know what growing up my dad beat me a lot , too , shit like that happen , also did he force you have the abortion , because you know what adoption is always a option , aldo i would better die than give my kid up for adoption ,
also you say you love your kids how the fuck can you consider adoption ,
my mom said to me that having kids was the best thing that happened to her , a lot of women believe this
you are reffeing to North Korea , i was speaking about South Korea
i don't understand why you say that pro life is a doctrine because it's not , the unborn baby is a human being,a person , and killing him is murder end of story
don't do murder wtf , that's the whole message !!!!!!!
i did not lie about nothing , abortion is not necessary, and now you life would have being just the same even if you kept the baby , your kid would have been 11 years old , he would be in school now !!!
don't think that i'm a troll and i'm insulting you for free , remember you started this shit , and you know what i tried at first to turn the other cheek but that shit got old really quickly
respect others so you can be respected !!
what i know is that you women regret it in time , how do you know that you won't , you don't, you just think you won't right now
my beliefs are based on the general trend !!!
i really don't understand why you say we try to bully you into sadness,i'm just telling you the facts , and from the facts you are clearly in denial !
we people have programs that help single mothers to raise kids,but you pro choice crowd don't ,
we help people not you , have you seen the video?
i don't want to say that your are a murderer for murdering you unborn baby , because you were 14 and fucked up , but for the LOVE of GOD don't make other women do the same mistake you did woman , because they will regret it in time , you will regret it , there are cases with women regretting the abortion after 20 YEARS,that's a human baby, in your heart you know it,women wtf, he looks like a baby,
if you give to a child a fetus of 12 weeks they will say that that is a baby , wtf
-c I started my work is a nurse. We got married first, and then a few months later, a mutual friend of ours came down to visit, and things just.. stuck. We never looked back and now we live together and have two beautiful kids together, and a great home.. it's so great.
I was about 3 mos. I got alcohol from a friend, ate lots of different pills and took a really hot bath and hit myself. It induced a miscarriage and then I ended up in the ER. I didn't really care if I died or not then.
when he beat me i fought even harder , this is why he was beating me in the first place , :) i was a bad mofo growing up , i even told him when he was betting me that i will kill him when i will get strong enough to do it ,
from the age of 15 he never put a hand on me , not even a slap ,because you know what, he knew i would have fucked him up
but from then we were super friends :)
i don't keep nothing inside i'm a choleric person
YOUR ABORTION IS NOT RRESPONSABLE FOR THE LIFE YOU LIVE NOW
ok so you were alone and had no help ok , i get that you had the abortion , then who helped you with money to be in school etc ?
-c b/c you obviously don't.
Do you know what it's like to watch a tv commercial about shampoo and end up BAWLING?
Is that fun? Is uncontrollable emotional wreckage fun or happy to you?
Are you a sadist, do you like seeing people hurt?
No, those women, like me, were HAPPY about the coming BABY /AFTER/ pregnancy is over. I can guarantee you they do not enjoy pregnancy itself, except for the OUTSIDE PERKS you sometimes get if you are PRIVILEGED enough to have a comfy-enough life where people -c
look why do you make excuses- you are pro-choice- you can make whatever choice you want, however dont make excuses by saying its not a baby, it has dna, it has a heartbeat. its a baby. its your choice, yes, that doesnt mean a baby is not a baby.i think you probably say its not a baby to justify yourself and the reason you aborted and to not feel like a total shit for murdering a child. however IT IS A CHILD. you still have a choice though, to be a baby murderer or to take responsibility for your
-c The best thing(S) that happened to me was meeting my first husband, having my first son, meeting my second husband, having my second son. I don't play favorites like your mom apparently does- her husband doesn't mean enough to her? Just you? I mean, no offense.. but.. a lot of women have kids b/c they think they're just supposed to, and b/c they're lonely or want to fulfill some 'image' they want themselves in. It's not right.
You don't just breed like a roach willy-nilly and then feel -c
Force is not just.
Rape is not just.
Slavery is not just.
Denying someone their feelings and needs and life and future for something that isn't even there yet.. is not just evil or unjust, it's fucking retarded and irresponsible.
I'd rather die than do that to some poor woman or teen. NOBODY deserves that shit.
People listen to me b/c I'm FAIR, and b/c I've had experience in this shit.
I'm not biased through strange religions and don't have some social agenda. I take people at their word, give them deliberate, honest opinions, and try to see things from all sides.
I've been judged, lied to, I've been in shit positions.. so I don't do that shit to other people.
It's not hard to just trust someone and listen and think about THEM, and their perspective. That's why I'm so highly recommended.
you say that because the fetus puts the person at risk , killing them is mot murder , ?
have you heard of self defense?, it's not murder only if the the fetus is actually killing the mother only then your argument stands ,
if somebody actually tries to kill you and if you kill that person , so you respond at the treat with equal force , yes you are not committing murder , but if you use force that is way greater than the threat you commit murder and you pay just like a common criminal
The only way you'd have an argument.. would be if pregnancy occurred outside the woman's body. B/c really, even if it was conscious, it still has no 'right' to be there if it -c
lol. what if a baby is born 2 months pre-mature, and has to be in a incubator and hooked up to machines for a couple of months, what is that , it's a baby or it's not ?
wtf that's a baby ,aldo it was not his time to be born yet , if you kill that baby are you committing murder ?yes you are,aldo he is not a real person
-c Actually both of my children are beautiful happy, healthy babies. Everyone loves them. They love me- Taki, my first, can't stand to be away from me. He spazzes out so much when I leave for work. Then when I come home he just freaks until i hold him, then he clings and his smile is like heaven. I swear, he is the most beautiful baby I've ever seen- a lot of people think so- they marvel over his pretty eyes. Vivid green.
Why would I kill my kids? I can provide for them, and they have a safe -c
-c harass, threaten, fire/disown people for choosing adoption, OR for keeping kids. Churhces are SO NICE until they get asked for help- then they become arrogant hypocrites, make sharky quips about sex and gods will, then leave you out in the cold. Xtain and catholics parents will threaten their own kids w/ BATTERY or disownment if they even CONSIDER /ADOPTION/ at 14, b/c that's 'throwing away the baby to strangers'.. my dad almost lilled me, literally when I asked him about that HYPOTHETICALLY.
you considered those ex People ,they have the same characteristics as the fetus ,i enumerated them already
you know what murder is not murder only in the case of self defense ,that's it,when you try to fight the threat with the same force , that's it ,that's the law
if you use force that is way greater than the threat you commit murder and you pay just like a common criminal
also the aggressor must state,threat,that he want's to kill you verbally
this is not the case of the fetus
so yea murder
lol what about the rest of the comment and my other comments
human life begins at conception.
-c need her then and there, and be w/ the husband that needs then and there.
I got a teen to choose college and a future over being a single mother.. three years later, she pms me and thanks me b/c she's pregnant getting married, and is so glad she waited and that someone thought about HER, and HER future, needs, and feelings and goals.
It happens. Get over it, and mind your OWN body.
Actually, people left me alone outside of my house. I knew how to fight. I was sortof a bully, as well as sexually active when I was younger. It made me feel better. Sorry, but I doubt I would have LITERALLY survived long enough to give my child up for adoption back then. Ever had dinner plates broken over your back, or strangled? If my dad had found out, I'd likely have been killed- literally. He was violent and stupid like that. It's why he's in prison now. Juno's life was completely -c
I would say 4-6 woman in todays world have had at least 1 abortion
Not all of them do. Some of them prefer to be unplugged and I don't blame them.
Pancreatic cancer and shit like that.. they give you actual HEROIN for pain.. b/c you're going to die, period.
You need to put ideaology and well-wishing on the back-burner when you're talking to real people w/ real problems. everyone handles shit differently, for different reasons. Obviously loads of women abort, besides me, and DON'T regret it.. as compared to those who do.. just like, loads of women -c
When you fear God abortion won't come on your mind...yes sometimes it's a mistake or you're too young or scared of your parents but how about God?killing is a great sin.let's keep our pregnancy nomatter what you never know the future
lol well i see you like to run, these response is of a weak person ,that when she sees that whe is wrong just runs from tha truth , and sais that the other person has something with her , you force yourself to believe that i want to hurt you or something , that i want you harm , when actually a want only to help you , help you not to fuck up other peoples lives ,
also i love women with all my heart , i'm not a sexist nut i like the truth , and reality