The Penn & Teller Fool Us Conspiracy
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- Did Jibrizy cheat on Penn and Teller Fool Us? Was Shin Lim's result rigged? Let's discuss.
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I'm of the understanding that the magician has to tell the producers how the trick is done, so they can know if P & T are making the right assumptions and if the magician is lying
Not just any producer. Mike Super. He was on the show. He creates tricks for many famous magicians.
@@magicmarker503not Mike Super, Mike Close. Close has not been on the show but he does create tricks
Very interesting theories! I will say that sometimes P&T have been known to give a trophy to people they highly respect even if they technically didn't fool them. That being said, there is no situation in which a contestant can lie and get away with it as part of the audition process requires you reveal the method to the producers.
I imagine if I was Penn & Teller and I saw an act I wanted in my Vegas show I'd be fooled too... ;)
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Just because a method is known/available doesn't mean Penn and Teller know it. They're not buying every magic product that comes out, and I highly doubt they would do that kind of "buy all their stuff and learn all their methods" research on anyone coming on the show, if only for the sake of fairness (imagine doing your best, most amazing material on such a big stage and then being told you won't get any credit for it because Penn bought that trick two days prior. Would br pretty shitty). Hell, look at David Roth's performance, in which they freely admit "He didn't fool us, but only because we read the books he taught the material in" and decided to give him the trophy anyway. If they knew the method, they would've said so
The reason why P&T give away some trophies more easily or even despite them not being fooled is actually pretty easy: The n°1 rule of the show is: every episode needs to have (at least) one winner. Episodes without a winner is bad for ratings, because people turn off the show if nothing is happening. They actually had "fool-less" episodes in the early seasons every now and then and it was a problem.
So during taping of a season, when they realize they have too little foolings, P&T need to "adjust" their judgment a little bit to ensure they get enough trophies out for the tv show to survive. And of course, they prefer to give it out to people that deserve it even if they didn't fool them, like Shin Lim, Richard Turner oder David daOrtiz.
In regards the ability to lie or not: while it’s true that the producers know the method of every trick performed on stage, what the tv audience does not see is how much time is actually spent discussing after the performance. There is at least one case of a performer saying that he did not fool penn in teller, simply because they didn’t have the energy to continue to engage in the discussion at the end. They later have stated at the cafe and other places their experience and that they maybe should have fought more as they still believe they fooled them.
I want Cavan on Fool Us... Wearing the Tin Foil Hat during the entire performance of course...
I can think of two previous examples where Penn & Teller were fooled by material that had already been released. Graham Jolley won with Simon Aronson's card trick Prior Commitment. French magician Mathieu Bich fooled them with his own special deck Spreadwave, As someone has already said, P&T can't easily keep up with all the new stuff being released. Also, the hired consultant, who is let onto the secret, will judge whether the performer is telling the truth when challenged by P&T. Johnny Thompson and then Michael Close played that important role.
yeah.. agreed with you.. this is what i thought long time ago.. For example i was shocked when penn and taller said that they foold by vanishing marker Shin Lim performed.
Jibrizy really did fool them I was his consultant on that show also when I was on the show producers wouldn't let me use the method I wanted to use because it would really fooled them!
I don't think the theory about the skit after shin Lim is accurate at at all. It requires no setup beyond getting the Decker cards and the knowledge that they might get fooled. Which is something there fairly sure is going to happen at some point.
There are a few times where they claim to have been fooled where I don't believe them. But it's always been situations where they had great respect for the person and wanted to just be nice instead of make a competition out of it as a show of respect.
The biggest example of this, would be Richard Turner. But you can even see they didn't plan it advance to do that. As soon as the actors over tell her clearly wants to talk and Penn decides to just give it to him and Teller goes along. If you go back and watch them after his act, you can 100% see that this is what happened.
I don't think it kills the integrity of the show. Because it's not a real competition. There's not going to be a second-round we're all the foolers compete against each other to narrow it down again.
If once in awhile they want to throw some respect at someone and just hand them the trophy, I dont think it hurts the show so long as they only do it sparingly and in instances of great respect.
But I think the Shin Lim this isn't that. Just because the method is available, does not mean that they actually learned it. So the idea of, "you can buy the secret to this trick on any website, and therefore they were not really fooled" definitely mean anything unless they actually went and bought the trick.
I fully agree, im HUGE Shin Lim fan, but also saw him do and explain "50 shades" on his Penguin live, but when you see that routine, you instantly see the "Black stuffs", its done Amazing no doubt, and this is a very hard one to pull off, as a lot of things are always in and out of play, but i agree, No possible way they were fooled by this, even IF he had not released it
Lapping or not lapping, the producers know the routine, so he can't get away with saying he didn't lapped it as producers would probably jump in. And I say probably, because you never know, they let some magicians go as non-foolers when they actually did fool them.
This isn’t about this video, but can you talk about what’s happening with Ellusionist? They’re at odds with Ekaterina and other weird stuff
I like how the Subtiteles call Penn & Teller "penins hella" on 7:05 :D
there is another example as well, i dont remember the name, but he was a coin magician the OG coin magician, and they say, "you fooled us, because if we had not learned these techniques from your books, we wouldnt know" but there have been plenty of other times where they have busted magicians because they have read their books, or bought their tricks. i allways found that very strange... but it IS just a reality show as you say, so there is no law against this double standard..
David Roth
I think that was a special case.
He was an innovator in coin magic. I'm petty sure the decided before and they didn't even notice that final production of the big coin ( the one everybody is using now ) that might have actually fooled them.
It is very obvious that they give trophies to people they respect not just those that fooled them. There have been things that fooled penn and teller that are in books on my shelf, and I’ve only been doing this for not even half as long as Penn and Teller and am far more ignorant as to methods. Yet when the trick was performed I was able to quickly say “that looks like ____.” Yet penn and teller had no idea? Hogwash.
Another example would be with Richard Turner, as prior to his Fool Us appearance he has done countless performances on video and I believe even lectured and taught his routine. And we are supposed to believe Penn and Teller didn’t know the name Richard Turner and hadn’t come across his work before?
I don’t but it.
In Richard Turner's case, it was mostly to present to the broader audience his skills, his routine and him in general. The same was with Dani DaOrtiz, IMO. Penn said countless times that the trophy doesn't mean anything, and the primary basis of this show is about magicians presenting their skills and being recognised.
@@ArgelRen that doesn’t track though. They awarded Richard Turner the trophy (which is awarded to acts that fool them). He would have been exposed to Penn and Tellers audience whether he fooled them or not. But I simply cannot believe that with their magical education that Richard Turner fooled them. Impressed them yes, but that’s not the game or what the trophy is awarded for. For me that made it overtly obvious that the show (like most talent show reality tv) is pre-decided and not as honest as one would think.
Another example of dishonesty is when a magician who I can’t recall asked Penn to bring out his phone, yet when you look at the phone you see the emails are addressed to one of the producer and Not Penn. So it’s reasonable to conclude that was not Penns Phone.
It may seem like a little thing but it brings the entire show into question as if they aren’t being honest about whose phone it is then what else are they lying about?
We must remember at the end of the day it’s a TV show and all about putting money in pockets.
Penn and Teller need to meet the quota of leaving 1 of every 4 magicians to fool them, so yes, several times they say they were fooled even if they were not, they can't go several episodes without a fooler, that's why in every episode out of the 4 magicians there is almost always 1 fooler, rarely 2, and rarely none in any single episode, but it averages to 25% foolers (Reals or not)
*One of* the longest maybe, but definitely NOT the longest magic show ever - have you ever heard of Paul Daniels??? Also:
Fool us is 99% others & 1% P+T
Paul Daniels was 99% him & 1% guests
Cavan there are a lot of magician's who come on the show, and many promote their trick, and P&T are fooled? I see this happening a lot, but l guess it's just business. I see magician's come on and they are not very good and sometimes they get a trophy and you know what is happening you know the methods. It boggles the mind. I even submitted several tricks to them this year for season 10, they did look at the tricks l sent in one they looked at ten times. But nothing. So l am with you on this. 👍😊😊😊👍😊👍👍
Very interesting didnt except shin to be on the list. (My favorite magician by the way) but now i think about it. Ye i agree with you. Maby it was for vews too as it even says at the start of the clip of him the amount of vews the last one had. He had also recently had carpel tunnel making the rutene incredibly hard. And if i was in that situation i would not go on a show like that.
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Thanks for your analysis 🙌
I totally agree with you!
It's not a conspiracy , it's marketing
when I saw jibrezys performance, I KNEW FOR A FACT THAT THEY SAW RIGHT THROUGH It HOW THE HELL DID IT NOT FOOL THEM!?!?!
He fooled them! We didn't have Allison to sign the coin because we wanted them to think it was a different coin already in the pack. But if you know the method and the video was out for sale the coin can be put in the package from a couple inches away from it, the pickup was to throw them off😊
@@davidshareefChTPhD lol I guess I’m just disappointed that JIBREZY of all people fooled then
garret thomas
another great example.
Yes, they prepared the skit. But that they didn't know the method is quite believable. They each have under $200 million dollars. They have no reason or need to keep up with magic's current methods and tricks. I sure wouldn't. They just coast along and show up for the show. They don't care.
Jibrizy was dishonorable. I spoke to the producer at Tannens Magic Camp and the method discussed with the magician producers (referees) was lapping, but changed it live on the air. He didn’t use lapping on the performance but that was the method discussed
Could it be the same thing like dani daortiz? I mean he had been doing his legendary tricks for years and there is no way penn & teller never knew how it's done at all. I think they do knew it, but they still let the magician win purely for how great the magic is