Israel and Palestine Origins with Dr. Benny Morris
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- The topic of today's episode is the Israel-Palestine conflict. I've avoided discussing Israel on this podcast for two reasons. First, because I didn't know enough to feel qualified to weigh in on it. Second, because it may literally be the most radioactive topic on planet Earth. A tiny mistake or misplace word can cause a level of backlash that I just don't want to deal with. However, two things have changed over the past few months. I discuss these two factors in detail in the first few minutes of the episode.
I want the first half of this podcast to serve as an introduction to basic historical facts behind the conflict. If you're well versed on this topic, then you may want to skip the beginning. However, on the other hand, there is still quite a bit of interesting material there. The rest of this podcast is about the ethics and the current politics of the conflict. Who is in the right, and who is in the wrong? Is Israel an apartheid state that's oppressing a minority out of pure bigotry? Is it a colonialist, expansionist state motivated by religious belief? Or is it an embattled and legitimate nation-state surrounded by enemies that want only to survive? These are the questions that people struggle with and I brought in Dr. Benny Morris to help me answer them. Dr.Benny Morris has a unique vantage point on this issue. On the one hand, he is an Israeli Jew, and in recent years, he has become a major defender of Israel against global condemnation. On the other hand, he's probably done more than almost anyone you could name, to discover and publicize Israel's historical war crimes. He refused to serve in the Occupy West Bank Operation and was arrested as a result. His academic work on Israel is cited favorably by people like Noam Chomsky, who is all the way on the other side of the issue. Dr. Benny was at one point shunned by the Israeli academic community for being in essence "a traitor" to his people. He's one of the few people who can really claim to have battle scars from both sides of this debate.
Therefore, I thought he'd be a good person to help me weave through the complexities of the topic. I have a lot of admiration for Benny Morris, and I hope you find him as illuminating as I did.
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What a revelation, a young man who actually want to know some facts about what’s going on!!! Brilliant interview Coleman 👌
44:37 So the majority of the native populatiom of Palestine agreed to not give land away to the Zionist... the Ziomists still took it, but the jews where "defending their house from attackers?" isnt it more like the house was inhabited by hundreds of years of Palestinians, the Jews came and took the house and the owners came to take it back? Is this guy for real? Do any of you understand how undemocratic it is that the Ottoman, then the British and then the UN all had a say in the fate of palestine but THE MAJORITY of the people there had NO SAY in who took how much land? You cant believe in democrazy and suuport this
Good interview and well explored! There is an entire prophetic view on Isreal on their purpose in giving birth to the Messiah, Yeshua. It is prophesied in the word of Yah ( Bible) that yeshua , (jesus) will return to the Mt of Olives ad there will be peace!:
By taking on this topic, Coleman just sacrificed his ability to peaceably make it through any dinner party conversation ever again. Let us all acknowledge and respect his sacrifice.
Well, at least no innocent goat was sacrificed!
@@DieFlabbergast That's for sure. And many stones were left unturned.
I started listening to this interview with some interest in the conclusions. I was only minimally familiar with Dr. Morris's viewpoint, and felt that it needed to be challenged. I thought Professor Hughes might have the courage and wisdom to do so. I am disappointed. He clearly protects his back - he will be quite able to sit at dinner parties in NY and around the world without any fear of backlash.
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Why don't you try to make a specific point other than simply stating which side you're on?
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Hello Mr. Hughes. I am a 62 y.o. man.
Some would say I am a one time very liberal individual guy. Now others claim I am blinded by my conservative approach.
In actuality, I’m a citizen that constantly researches and strives to find truth/ facts through objective research.
Coleman, you are a very rare breed in todays World! A much needed breathe of fresh air! You are honestly striving to find the truth. Therefore, subscribing to your podcast was an easy decision. Just subscribed.
I will be sharing this insightful look/ interview with others. THANK YOU!
Thank you Coleman. If there is a heaven, you are heaven sent. If not, you possibly are laying the foundation. Continue your difficult and excellent work.
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You couldn’t say it any better
Where is Oprah located where King David send for Gold. Where are your wealth?
You have. Gaza strip. In sub sarah Africa we the Kingdom of Gaza, and many more places that was copied to the North East. The Gates of Hell is very close by you in Lebonon.
Something have to give it can't go on like this they must be a two state. Sulution
excellent information, and exploration of Israel. I’m the daughter of a holocaust survivor, who has been trying to understand as much about Israel as I can, and this is one of the best discussion I’ve seen. Thank you.
It's a bunch of b******* you want to know why the arabs are mad. Read the history about what happened After World War 1.
Another very balanced perspective is that of Dr. Gábor Máté, who is himself a holocaust survivor and former Zionist. He did a video with his daughter a couple days ago, which touched beautifully on the pain that each side of this conflict is experiencing right now, and the need to look at the historical facts when working towards peace.
Benjamin Natanyahu is the son of Satan. He is a monster, a modern day natzi Hitler!!
God save you as He has done to your parents.
The JewishCatholic also did a good video, about 1:10 minutes long, 10/10 recommend
You know how badly academia failed when you have university students who could get very heated about a topic they know nothing about!
Why do you think they failed? It’s designed to have a compliant populace. They will win , until the next revolution
Academic freedom does not exist in All Arab Muslim countries in Middle East and North Africa....
Palestinians have unlawfully supported China's Uyghur Genocide at the UN HRC assembly in every session in every year in Geneva in Switzerland. Again Palestinians have all the way travelled to on 12-20 June 2023, and Palestinians have unlawfully supported China's Uyghur Genocide in Beijing in China. Arab-Chinese Axis has produced UYGHUR HALAL ORGANS, HUMAN FLESH CAPSULES AND UYGHUR BODY PARTS ARE TRADED AS UYGHUR HALAL ORGANS IN ALL ARAB MUSLIM COUNTRIES IN MIDDLE EAST AND NORTH AFRICA. CHINESE-ARAB AXIS HAS SLAUGHTERED MILLIONS OF INNOCENT UYGHUR CHILDREN, UYGHUR WOMEN AND UYGHUR MEN TO HARVEST UYGHUR HALAL ORGANS.
Arab Muslim Countries including "Palestine state " must stop supporting China's Uyghur Genocide, China's Tibetan Genocide, China's Manchurian Genocide, China's Southern Mongolian Genocide, China's Yellow Uyghur Genocide Genocide, China's Kazakh Aksay Genocide, China's extermination of all non-ethnic chinese people in war criminal Chinese army illegally invaded vast non-Chinese territories.
Support China's Uyghur Genocide has been very profitable business for all Arab Muslim countries including "Palestinian state ".
China has been unlawfully stealing Trillions of US dollars of vast amount of wealth from Natural resources extremely rich Eastern Turkestan in Central Asia, and China has been unlawfully bribing all top leaders of all Muslim countries including "Palestinian state ".
Corruptions in all Muslim countries including "Palestinian state " are "Made in China ".
Billions of distorted Quran are "Made in China " and read by totally corrupted leaders of all Muslim countries....
China's Uyghur Organ Harvesting industry has been booming...
China's Human Flesh Capsules making industry are booming...
Palestinians and all Muslim countries must stop supporting China's Uyghur Genocide in war criminal Chinese army illegally invaded Eastern Turkestan in Central Asia.
A crash course on history of the Fictional "PALESTINIAN STATE":
1. Before Israel in 1948, there was a British mandate, not a Palestinian state
2. Before the British Mandate, there was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state.
3. Before the Ottoman Empire, there was the Islamic state of the Turk- Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state.
4. Before the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, there was the Ayubid Turk-Kurdish Empire, not a Palestinian state.
5. Before the Ayubid Empire, there was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state.
6. Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem, there was the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, not a Palestinian state.
7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, there was the Byzantine empire, not a Palestinian state.
8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there were the Sassanids, not a Palestinian state.
9. Before the Sassanid Empire, there was the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state.
10. Before the Byzantine Empire, there was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state.
1 1. Before the Roman Empire, there was the Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state.
12. Before the Hasmonean state, there was the Seleucid, not a Palestinian state.
13. Before the Seleucid empire, there was the empire of Alexander the Great, not a Palestinian state.
14. Before the empire of Alexander the Great, there was the Persian empire, not a Palestinian state.
15. Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state.
16. Before the Babylonian Empire, there were the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a Palestinian state.
17. Before the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was the Kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
18. Before the kingdom of Israel, there was the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, not a Palestinian state.
19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state.
20. Actually, in this piece of land there has been everything, EXCEPT A PALESTINIAN STATE.
Palestine state is a fiction.
Palestine state is a nightmare.
Palestine state is mental health issues of Arab Muslims.
Palestinians ( Arab Muslim illegal immigrants, Arab Muslim illegal invaders and Arab Muslim refugees) have all the way travelled to Geneva in Switzerland, and Palestinians have unlawfully supported China's Uyghur Genocide, China's Uyghur Concentration mass murder camps, China's Uyghur Organ Harvesting industry, China's extermination of Uyghur Nation and China's unlawful mass transfer Chinese from China into Eastern Turkestan in Central Asia.
"Palestine state " has been unlawfully supporting China's Uyghur Genocide at the UN HRC assembly in every session in every year in Geneva in Switzerland.
On 12 - 20 June 2023, Palestinians have all the way travelled to China in Far Eastern corner of Asia in between Yellow River and Yangtze River, and Palestinians have unlawfully supported China's Uyghur Genocide in Beijing in China.
In fact since ancient times till Today The world's Second biggest Great Gobi Desert has totally isolated Eastern Turkestan in Central Asia and China in Far Eastern corner of Asia .
Eastern Turkestan in Central Asia is Uyghur-Turk State.
Uyghur-Turk Nation live in own Natural, legal and permanent territory Eastern Turkestan in Central Asia.
Uyghur-Turk Nation do not live in China in Far Eastern corner of Asia in between Yellow River and Yangtze River.
Uyghur-Turk Nation has nothing to do with Chinese in China in Far Eastern corner of Asia.
Uyghur-Turk Nation has nothing common with Chinese in China in Far Eastern corner of Asia.
Many Uyghur-Turk people have natural red hair, natural blonde hair, natural green eyes, natural blue eyes, tall, white, attractive, masculine, and Uyghurs resembles Europeans.
In China in Far Eastern corner of Asia, all Chinese have 100 Percent black hair, slanted eyes, shorter, darker, less masculine, more feminine, eats everything moving around.
In fact Chinese do not belong to Eastern Turkestan, Tibet, Southern Mongolia, Manchuria, Yellow Uyghur Gansu, Kazakh Aksay, Koknoor, Guangxi Zhuang Region, Yunnan, Ningxia Hui region, Korean Liaoning....
China is born from CCP on 1st October 1949. Since the war criminal Chinese army has illegally invaded into many countries including vast Eastern Turkestan, Tibet, Southern Mongolia, Manchuria, Yellow Uyghur Gansu, Kazakh Aksay, Koknoor, Guangxi Zhuang Region, Yunnan, Ningxia Hui region, Korean Liaoning....
The illegal invasion of Chinese army cannot make Eastern Turkestan as a part of China.
Eastern Turkestan is not China's "Xinjiang ( NEW TERRITORY)".
Uyghur-Turk Nation is not China's ethnic minorities.
Uyghur-Turk Nation is not China's citizens.
Uyghur-Turk Nation is not Chinese Muslims.
China's Uyghur Genocide is not China's internal affairs.
China's Uyghur Concentration mass murder camps are not China's Re-education camps.
China's Uyghur Organ Harvesting industry are not China's state security.
China's extermination of Uyghur-Turk Nation is not China's internal affairs.
China's unlawful mass transfer own Chinese from China in Far Eastern corner of Asia in between Yellow River and Yangtze into Eastern Turkestan in Central Asia are not China's internal affairs.
Chinese state has internal affairs in China in Far Eastern corner of Asia in between Yellow River and Yangtze River.
Chinese state has no Internal affairs in war criminal Chinese army illegally invaded Eastern Turkestan, Tibet, Manchuria, Southern Mongolia, Yellow Uyghur Gansu, Kazakh Aksay, Koknoor, Guangxi Zhuang Region, Yunnan, Ningxia Hui region, Korean Liaoning....
China has unlawfully cut off all telephone connections, Internet connections, postal services and travel for all Uyghurs in between Eastern Turkestan and rest of the world.
All Uyghurs worldwide are the victims and vitnesses of the China's Uyghur Genocide, China's Uyghur Concentration mass murder camps, China's Uyghur Organ Harvesting industry, China's Human Flesh Capsules making industry, China's extermination of Uyghur Nation, China's unlawful mass transfer own Chinese from China in Far Eastern corner of Asia into Eastern Turkestan, Chinese aggressions to Uyghurs worldwide.
Eastern Turkestan is very rich in all kinds of natural resources, naturally very diverse, vast, geographical very key location in the centre of Asia, and China unlawfully stealing Trillions of US dollars of vast amount of wealth from Natural resources extremely rich Eastern Turkestan.
Eastern Turkestan is the world's biggest producer of rare earth materials, uranium, jade, gold, silver, copper, coal, salt, mica, cotton, tomatoes, garlic, green raisins, fresh bottled water.....
Eastern Turkestan is the world's fourth biggest producer of grains, fruits, vegetables, rice, sugar, honey, petrol, natural gas ....
Without stealing Trillions of US dollars of vast amount of wealth from Natural resources extremely rich Eastern Turkestan, how China and over 1.45 billion Chinese survive without natural resources in natural resources zero China?
All Arab countries including PALESTINE have unlawfully supported China's Uyghur Genocide at the UN HRC assembly in every session in every year in Geneva in Switzerland. They must stop support China's Uyghur Genocide, China's Uyghur Organ Harvesting industry, China's extermination of Uyghur Nation, China's Human Flesh Capsules making industry....
Wake up decent people Worldwide
Freedom, independence and self governing for Eastern Turkestan, Tibet, Manchuria, Southern Mongolia, Yellow Uyghur Gansu, Koknoor, Guangxi Zhuang Region, Yunnan, Ningxia Hui region, Taiwan and Hong Kong.
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Interesting discussion. You permit the guest to speak without interruption unlike the vast majority of you tubers. Quite refreshing. Thank you for an enjoyable and enlightening exchange.
That’s the best I hate it when a guest is cut off.!!
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My favorite historian. So grateful for his meticulous research. Hope his view prevails-we need the truth now!
Benny is quickly becoming my favorite historian in this conflict. I want to hear facts not propaganda. No emotion just cold truth. Love that he doesn't seem biased.
It’s very biased. He literally leaves out everything that makes the Zionist look
Bad
He never mentions the overwhelming majority of early Zionist planning knew that they would need to remove the natives. He doesn’t mention the Jews that were native were Arab, he doesn’t mention they bought land and kicked off farmers that had been there generations. He doesn’t mention Zionist violence in the 1920-30’s towards Palestinians, he makes it seem like only a small amount of right wing Zionist turned to Terrorism. The fact is the Major leadership was involved in terrorism and that’s why they blew to the King David Hotel to destroy the Documents the British had confiscated in a huge raid. He didn’t mention that the Zionist had started ethnically cleansing in December of 47 like 5 months before the “war” began. He leaves out anything that makes the Zionist look bad.
I am a retired US military officer who served in the Marine Corps and participated in Muslim wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. I very much enjoyed listening to your podcast if that is what it’s called, with the Elder gentleman. I live and work in the Middle East. I am mixed race, black father, white mother. The civil rights movement of the 60s was so painful for my parents that they divorced. My mother moved back to Canada and I was raised by my black father in Los Angeles. despite my heritage, I grew up with the white skin of my mother. I was rejected by my brown skin cousins growing up, so early age I suppose you could say I had experienced racial persecution from my Brown skinned cousins. As I went on to graduate from the United States Naval Academy and ultimately served as a senior Marine Corps military officer, throughout my whole career, I had to suppress my ethnicity, and endure the N-word for24 years of military service. I provide all that history, only to highlight how much pain and sadness that the events of the recent couple of weeks have provided all of us who are dialed in to this tragedy. I am definitely Religious having been raised Catholic in my youth, and I understand much of the history, but I much better informed having watched your podcast with the older gentleman. I am 62 years old, and since the events at the beginning of this tragedy, and I’ll say my prayers on my knees at my bedside like I did as a child. Living and working in Saudi Arabia amongst a sea of Arabs who are not suffering like those in the holy land, I am struck by the absolute Beauty and the smiles of the Saudi children. Beautiful little Arabs. Big hopeful brown eyes and thick black hair. I’ve never been to Palestine or Israel, but looking at these little Middle Eastern angels, I am so distraught that’s so much pain and sadness grips our world, and we people of the faith, children of the God of Abraham, are conducting themselves in a manner that is completely godless. I wish that I could do more than just pray, and have conversations with a small handful of coworkers who are as saddened as I am. My heart is truly broken. Thank you so much for providing access to such a detailed and revealing education by your guest. I look forward to future dialogue from your channel. I hope that I am not overstepping in soon God bless you. Take good care. Thank you.
Shameful how adult you with an ostensibly serious career is still pondering the concept of different organised religions sharing the same God.
They’re mutually incompatible.
Only one could be true.
And the reasons for believing it are all bs.
Grow up.
Leave the cult.
They were oil wars, not Muslim wars.
Deuteronomy 30:10
IF.. thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
♥️. For with the heart...Psalms 80:7 Turn us again, O God of hosts, and cause thy face to shine; and we shall be saved.
Many congregations...of religions..have people in them with hearts for the truth and living God. .. God places HIS people thought out the world to reach through HIS Holy Spirit and lead them in truth..
Your testimony of your life is beautiful..God designed you to be you and to share HIS victorious with others..hope to meet you someday up yonder..👍
Thank you for you beautiful message , for sharing a part of your story and your prayers. ❤🙏🏼
You took the words out of my mouth!
Here they are, got them back again: Thank you, OP, for sharing your story, for your prayers and for your beautiful message! I wish you hadn’t had to go through that pain as a child.
Watched this video after October 7. It helped me a lot to understand the current situation after last Saturday's attack.
I thought I had a studied and sober understanding of the geopolitics of Israel. This conversation was highly informative and revealed nuances of depth I had not considered. Thank you for sharing.
To think that this young man is only 27 or 28 is nothing less than astonishing! He's brilliant and wise way beyond his years.His interviews and podcasts are always so thoughtful and fair. He gives me some glimmer of hope for our future. I wish there were thousands more young people like him. He relies on facts instead of raw emotion and doesn't speak about things until he understands them. Well done as usual Coleman!! Thank you
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He's a full-grown adult supposed to think critically; he is not a child.
@@elihubildad6677 have you not met most 27 year olds? They can't complete a sentence without saying "like" 20 times. This young man is WAY beyond average! He's a legitimate intellectual that will be around for 50 or 60 more years
@@Knowallwithmyphone 50 to 60 is the age when people start to have memory lapses
@@elihubildad6677 your comments are very confusing. Is English your first language? Do you have a problem with me recognizing that Coleman Hughes is a highly intelligent young man?
This video would be great for High School or College students. There has not been enough education on what has happened over the years in Israel and the Middle East.
Our education is pitiful. No only have we created an ignorant population, we have created an arrogant one that believes it is entitled to make decisions based on ignorant opinions. And yet, once you have a better understanding of the background, it still boils down to your opinion of which facts win out. ???!!! After listening to this program, I can see both sides. My emotions than come into play in choosing a side. I don't have an answer with which I am comfortable
you are on the spectrum of you can see both sides | learn about muslims, learn about victim mentality and guess what will happen if israel goes full peace and do only talk
Yeah the Joeseph Goebbels institute of technology
Americans don’t even know their own history. Work on that first.
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That intention imbalance is a brilliantly original angle I haven't seen covered in any other discussions on the subject! Kudos
Every major news outlet should be fighting to get you on their team. One of the best interviewers I've seen. Well done!
Thank for the historical perspective and the spiritual aspects of both the Israeli and Palestinian. The truth is always hard to accept, this truth gives understanding thanks
Great interview, thank you. I appreciate you allowing the guest to share his knowledge without interruption.
Great point, I noticed that as well… Coleman,first a scholar, Second, a gentleman!
Thank you for hosting someone who can give context
I’d appreciate your exploration of the roots of antisemitism and why it persists today
so balanced how can you not respect this man
Wonderful interview. The amount of journalistic integrity is what one only could dream of in mainstream media. Thank you for your effort.
Wow, these topics really make one appreciate the power of journalism. Reminiscent of one of the greats who had to go to great Lengths of expression.
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He left out the Balfour Declaration and greatly downplays the role of the British in conspiring to to give the land to the Zionists.
Yes, as Mainstream media reports their narratives, not news
The timeliness of this podcast is painfully amazing
Seriously, almost like it was planned
It's a re-posting.
It was posted 8 months ago 👀
Just WOW!
This is so clear and truthful about everything, yet so concise!
That was a hell of an interview. Thank you for your work.
Wow, these topics really make one appreciate the power of journalism. Reminiscent of one of the greats who had to go to great Lengths of expression.
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Thank you for doing this. The more prominent this discussion becomes, the more I realize how little I know about this conflict. I am eager to learn and understand what is happening.
What did you learn today?
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@@merc9nine, That Hamas just invaded Israel and started murdering, raping, and kidnapping civilians. I also learned that many Palestinians are celebrating this behavior.
@@terjeoseberg990they are kidnapping civilians to free long suffering Palestinian hostages through prisoner exchange. The civilian deaths are not defensible but are a reflection of Israel’s behavior which is the root cause
@@terjeoseberg990& went so barbaric that these mohamadians decapitated babes in arms. There is always this undercurrent of blood lust & it comes from those with a mindset of pure evil (no different from ISIS etc)
Even when there is nothing, but live & let live... there are many documented cases, all over the world, of rape gangs, desecration of other religious Holy places, demands respect, but earns none, a propensity for violence even down to decapitating of teachers for totally unprovoked & perceived in justices.
I grew up with many, many mohamadians from all over the world & some are my friends for ever, but even Muslims are afraid & live in fear of the very words they must be subjugated under by the book of Muslims.
Muslims don't understand that they cannot push their will. We have one life & to be told I must submit or be enslaved or pay some tax.
It's a very dysfunctional & violent idealogy
28:00 Benny doesn't answer the question of why Jews didn't go to America, but the answer is that America (and other countries) refused to allow most of them in.
That is not true at all. The US took in plenty of Jewish refugees…it’s just most of the Jewish people migrated to places closest to them…America is not close…at all. What is your evidence to back this claim? US liberated plenty of detainment camps and help the Jewish people set up a new life.
FYI, United States is of America not itself America. America is not a country, it's a continent. The New World is what's genuinely America.
He did. He said it was because jews have tried to live in courtries that arent theirs and they were frustrated after the holocaust and believed that having their own state is necessary for their safety.
The restrictions you mentioned where fixed at 1924, while tha 2nd&3rd jewish migration waves that formed the jewish institutions ended at 1923.
@@doximanman the Zionists were offered a country TWICE before the Holocaust and they refused both times.
Great interview skills. Beautiful journalism. Skillful light to one of the most worrisome issues going on in our world right now. Knowledge is power. Thank you.
Wow, these topics really make one appreciate the power of journalism. Reminiscent of one of the greats who had to go to great Lengths of expression.
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Benny Morris is not being completely truthful, he only uses some truths but mostly propaganda.
If you want truth then research Israeli historians Shlomo Sand and Ilan Pappe.
FYI...the flag of Palestine before 1948 was blue on the left side white on right side...and...in the center there is a Star of David
@@sophieosnah7116 No it wasn't the original Palestine flag, infact it was the original Jewish flag after the Balfour Declaration under the British Mandate was passed allowing Jewish people to migrating to Palestine in 1917 and called the land "Zion" and in 1948 the Balfour Declaration was given to the United Nations Resolution and they then changed the name from Zion to Israel in order to get the Christian backing and the rest is history unfortunately for the Palestinians.
@@TruthSeeker8717 Yeah. The Arabs blew it.
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This was an excellent history lesson!!! Great questions and the most fair and honest discussion that I have ever heard on this complex topic. Thank you both
You couldn’t say it any better either
This is so biased
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Good to hear this discussion. I read “Righteous Victims” a decade ago and I think all people could benefit from Dr. Morris’ historical view.
Righteous victims I found in the 2019 documentary “Gaza Fights for Freedom” Perhaps you’d view it & further the discussion.
This is the historical view: No narrative can be complete regarding the ownership and possession of Israel without reference to the Holy Bible or the Tanakh. Please read Holy Bible - Genesis Chapters 12 to 17. God who created the earth made a covenant with Abraham and his seed Isaac, Jacob and his 12 sons forever! This covenant was not made with Ishmael and his seed the Arabs. They know that fully well. The land belongs to Israel!! The possession of the land did not start in 1948, 1967 nor with Ottoman Empire or any other leadership. God gave ownership and possession of the land to Abraham's seed which does not include Ishmael or the other children Abraham had with Keturah (Genesis 25). In fact Abraham gave these children gifts and sent them AWAY from his son Isaac. This Abraham did while he was ALIVE. Issac was the promised son and was the promised heir. The Bible said that God could trust Abraham because he knew how manage/order his household. Abraham had Isaac at 100 and Sarah his wife was 90) God told Abraham that he would have a son in his old age and he would possess the land - Genesis 15:18-21 (which includes the river of Egypt, the river Euphrates,.... Canaanites, and the Jebusites) Interestingly enough the birth of Ishmael was Sarah's idea as she gave her Egyptian maid Hagar to have a child with Abraham (Genesis 16). This was not the plan of God; Sarah did live to see the start of the problem Ishmael would give to the promised heir Isaac. Ishmael who was fourteen at the time was mocking and jeering her son Isaac at the feast Abraham made for Isaac when he was weaned. (Genesis 21:9-13). The child was only two. From the outset, Hagar and her son Ishmael were trouble to Isaac because of their jealousy. (You can read all this from Genesis 12 onward.) This has continued throughout the ages and this is what is unfolding in our present time. The descendants of Ishmael (his 12 sons) along with the Egyptians and Esau's descendants are the nations in the Middle East fighting Israel for the land which their father Abraham gave to ISAAC and his seed forever. Again, no intellect, no human right activist etc etc can change the Word of God. The land belongs to Israel! God is not a man that He should lie (Numbers 23:19) He keeps his covenant with Abraham and his seed forever. Should in case any nation think they can eradicate Israel from this earth or drive them into the sea, hear what the Word of God says in Jeremiah 31:35-36:
'Thus saith the Lord , which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name: (v.36) If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord , then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever."
Jeremiah 31:35-36 KJV
bible.com/bible/1/jer.31.35-36.KJV
I got up this morning and the sun is shining, the sea is still roaring and all the ordinances of heaven are in place.
I stand with and am praying for Jerusalem and the nation of Israel as instructed in the Holy Bible. (Psalm 122:6-9 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee. Peace be within thy walls, and prosperity within thy palaces. For my brethren and companions' sakes, I will now say, Peace be within thee. Because of the house of the Lord our God I will seek thy good.
Psalm 122:6-9 KJV
bible.com/bible/1/psa.122.6-9.KJV
I also pray for the people of Palestine that they will be delivered and free from the tyranny of Hamas who is not about the welfare of the people but their evil agenda.
@@viovee1703 Hasbara.
10/11/23: I’m so glad that I stumbled onto this podcast today! The date of this comment is only a few days into the new Israel vs Hamas War of 2023. I wish every person could listen to this Q & A exchange.
Excellent history lesson!!
It’s a sad week for the innocent people of Israel and Gaza! We do not know what impact this will have for world peace.
Glad to see so many people are trying to get themselves informed on the conflict instead of just labeling 1 mass of people good and one bad and moving on with their lives
Have you ever stumbled across the 2019 documentary “Gaza Fights for Freedom” ?
voluntary fleeing was later twisted to expulsion n later so much deception was n is still worked at in order to claim global sympathies n subsequent monetary infux from mostly misinformed peo.all round the world.
Or to the rest of the world: 11/10/23
@@jagggdthe problem with striving to be in the middle is you end up watching idly as war crimes are committed. The mainstream political world supports Israel the same way they did apartheid south africa in the 80s and once again they will be on the wrong side of history
Wonderful, insightful, educational. I just loved it.
I thank you so much for this presentation. I had a lot of stuff wrong, I have said I lot of things that were way out of line. You have done me a great service, both of you. I will be zealous about watching my mouth from now on. I am sure i am not alone. Thanks again GOOD JOB!
Same
I am so curious, what stood out for you the most? What were you most wrong about?
Really good to hear this moderate pro Isreali perspective from Benny Morris - it sounds reasonable & factual - it would be better still to hear from a similar pro Palestinian moderate as well - so we can hear the truths each side believes.
I agree. This story has more nuance and complexity than at first meets the eye of the unlearned. It is tragic, from the 1880 ,perspective to the present, presented as two unyielding forces with no hope of reconciliation.
You seem like such a balanced, controlled, objective, prepared/ intelligent interviewer who allowed Benny to present a clear & fair picture of the 2 sides of the Israeli- Palestinian dilemma. Fantastic job. Thank you.
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I dont believe these guys. They mentioned nothing about Kazaria, the USS Liberty Attack, the gulf war, the Iraq and Afganistan wars, where we fought all of Israels neighbors except for Egypt, because their Liberty attack that was to be blamed on egypt FAILED.
He didnt mention that all their sacred texts are classified as "Jewish Mysticism" aka Paganism/Satanism. He didnt mention how Jewish Rabbi's sexually assault newborn baby's in a sick ritual where the Rabbi sucks the baby's penis. He didnt mention the Koporos animal sacrifices they still do to this day. They really humanized these sick deranged people. Didnt mention AIPAC, the largest lobbying firm on Earth. Seems like they dont want us to know the REAL Israel.
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I am just a layman read the Bible and some very little self taught studying at the library that needed some clarification of details of past history regarding The originators of the land of Israel I believe the ancient Hebrews and modern-day Israelites must have been different people of Darker complexion however I'm still seeking and confirming for my own clarification; if anyone wants to share and reply I welcome different perspectives???
This interview was awesome. It helps you understand the Palestinian conflict from the Israeli perspective. It has reinforced my support for Israel for their own state.
Thank you for this comment!🇮🇱
The mainstream israeli perspective is full of lies by omission, how convenient. If you want to know the truth, look further, otherwise keep being asleep.
Just remember this is the point of view of a left wing Israeli.... half pro Palestine.
Me as a orthodox Jew disagree with some of what ge says.
We look back 3500 years not 150
@@free-speachat some point one needs to stop looking too far back, because it triggers a very dangerous idea of an eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth.
The ideal solution would be to stop looking back, say “enough is enough” and strive for a peaceful solution and common good.
Unfortunately, I see this notion coming from one side only, the other side, while definitely having people with common sense and good will among them, is predominantly still full of hate and under the murderous spell.
@@megeramilosskaya1 i agree
But what do you do when one side (plo and hamas) say from the river to the sea......or the extension (plo say " purifying") from jews?
How do you make peace with that?
This was just an incredibly useful interview. I think I’ve listened to all or part of it like 8 times already, not exaggerating.
"Why didn't they simply go to America?" You're kidding right? The US had immigration quotas and didn't take most of the Jews who wanted to flee there. Never heard about the voyage of the St. Louis?
To be generous, maybe he was giving Benny a chance to explain..that
Not to mention that many could not even be convinced to have the conversation. And who blames them? Go to a couple try, where you don't speak the language, where you must sell everything you own just for the voyage and that will only pay for the trip for your immediate family! Everyone else must stay behind!
And everyone who DID come, tells that story of those they left behind!
I'm certain Coleman is fully aware and was prompting Benny to explain that, and Benny blatantly missed that opening.
They considered illegally occupying Argentina and Uganda also.
If either of those people from those countries drove out their occupiers today as the Palestinians are resisting occupation, we’d all be applauding their heroism wouldn’t we.
I think people look at America today and think public opinion and politics is the same as it is today. People don't realize how normal Antisemitic beliefs were in the late 1800s early 1900s.
I was intrigued because I know of Benny Morris, but I haven't heard him speak before. However, this is the first I've heard of Coleman Hughes. I'm very impressed with his insightful questioning as well as with Morris' informative answers.
Exact same bro
Coleman along with John McWhorter, Glenn Loury and Thomas Sowell are incredible sources of thought provoking ideas.
Yeah hes cia
@@tomtsu5923Agreed. If you want to know the REAL Israel, google Koporos PETA, then the USS Liberty Attack, then Cynthia Mckinney Floatilla Israel, then AIPAC's control of Congress, then Jewish ownership of US Media, then Jewish ownership of Hollywood.
Their Liberty Attack/coup failed, so we didnt fight Egypt, but we fought Iraq twice, Afghanistan, Pakistan, well, we warred with, bombed or drone striked most of Israels neighbors, and we bought them their state-of-the-art missile defense system, under Obama.
I am a US Military Veteran. Israel is America's #1 enemy.
Heres the litmus test for what I am saying about Israel. "If you want to know who is in charge, find out who you cannot criticize." In America, you can criticize The President, Senators, Governors, and all politicians. You can criticize the Queen, the Pope, the Dalai Lama, but we all know what happens when you criticize the Jews. Your career is over, if you had one. Or, they make you go on an apology tour. They smeared Mel Gibson, Nick Cannon had to do an apology tour, for quick examples.
Wow, wow, wow! Excellent content. I get so frustrated with tv anchors injecting their "expertise" I into a conversation to highlight themselves. Coleman's interview style is brilliant, he lets the expert do the talking. By his questions, he reveals his own in-depth knowledge without the hint of self promotion.
I’m a Jew in the U.S. The idea that Israel is the one safe place in the world for me has always been comforting. It’s insensitive to state that Israel should not allow Jews to have that safety net. Living in an antisemitic world is unsettling. As a child and now as a mother My love for our homeland is knowing that in troubled times Israel is like a mother’s arms. It wraps around her children to keep them safe from a hateful world that could attempt genocide on us from anywhere at any time.
My dear, your lovely mother is currently committing mass murder: Genocide. Zionists are racist kleptocrats with a terrorist army. Does that make you feel good?
Maybe you should wake up, because you have been deceived.
This was made 8 months ago? Great timing, Coleman. We were gonna need this soon and we didn't even know it.
Good eye. Very lucky... almost... too lucky... 🤨🤨🤨
Has anyone ever seen Hamas and Coleman Hughes in the same room together?
It would be suicide to put them in the same room. They won’t even protect their own people. They should give up hostages and turn themselves in. The US and many other nations give Gaza and the West Bank much more money than Israel. Futah has done everything but garbage pick up and worship , work, and shop peaceably with the Jewish community in Israel. The Palestinians should be wealthy by now. Their government should have had electrify, water, housing, and sanitation. If not more. Each family could have been receiving monthly payments to subsidize their income. Hamas even stole the medicines, foods, and things the Palestinians needed. And the people let them. Why do they teach them to even die for hamas leaders who are sitting in luxury hotels away from any danger. There should even be a college in Gaza. Superior to any with the money given to Hamas.
@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat Amen to that. Some people knew this was coming, and also knew what was going to happen in Lahaina....how coincidental.
Yes, they fight each other every year around Ramadan i wonder why
Dear Zionists - If you don't have a home, but you want a home... then just... buy one. Don't steal the other person's home. Don't steal the other person's land. Don't kill the parents and the children inside the home. Just buy the home and be respectful to your neighbors.
Mr Hughes is at the top tier in conducting interviews. Never interrupts. Always gives time to finish an answer. Always has thoughtful questions. His ego takes back seat to the purpose of his interview. On topics where I find myself in disagreement I still appreciate his style and humility. Nice work young man! Wish I had your maturity when I was your age.
He’s boring and contributes nothing just a rehashing
Never mind his age, I wish for his maturity at my current age.
I think it’s just a question of denying the self, emotional control and serotonin levels
No wonder Glenn Loury lauds you. Thank you for your important work.
Excellent review of hustory, year by year! The King of Jordan great movement! You should talk too!
This is a very good and important video. Anyone wanting to understand the history of the conflict should watch it for an academic viewpoint.
Excellent job of leading an interview. Your questions are perfect and your style is as smooth as melted butter
This is the most succinct and informative discussion I have ever heard regarding the history of the founding of Israel and the genesis of the the ongoing conflict. It definitely put the whole picture into perspective for me.
You must have been looking in some odd places.
Informative?? This was so pathetic. Typical Israhell rhetoric.
"There are 24 Arab states, so we'll take one".
Why not just take one of the 50 North American States, or one of the many European states. The Arabs didn't kill the Jews. The Europeans did.
Israhell is just one big military base for the US. It's not a country.
Agreed. What takes place in Israel affects the nations all around it. The Israelites (Jews) have nowhere to go and the Palestinians refuse to accept a two-state solution. This issue will be resolved with the imminent return of THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. Now comes a prayer of complete surrender using caps as emphasis to help others find THE WAY AT GOD'S MERCY (HIS LOVE GIFT IN JESUS CHRIST) since our contract with survival is brokered with sadness, fragility and anxiety.
On a balcony of space STEPPED A PURE AND HOLY GOD. IN AWESOME SOLITUDE YOU STOOD ALONE. Not one faint star to give YOU light; just endless darkness, it was blackest night. But somehow in the darkness YOU COULD SEE.
YOU SAW mountains high and lofty, YOU SAW valleys lush and green. YOU SAW babbling brooks, and wildflowers grow, YOU EVEN HEARD a robin sing. Then through YOUR COMPASSION STANDING OUT THERE IN YOUR TOMORROW, YOU SAW forum's visitors, their families and friends. 🥰
YOU SAW them as sinners (missing the mark when aiming to solve a problem then creating another resulting in their weaknesses prevailing causing guilt of wrong doing) because there is no intrinsic righteousness in any of us due to Adam’s sin. YOU SAW them as they grew from a baby into adulthood due to YOUR HANDS OF MERCY. 🥰 YOU SAW them pursuing a career path for the purpose of obtaining the gains of the world not realizing that it is a loss compared to what YOU DID on the cross. YOU SAW them working long and laboring hard to receive justification by grace even though YOU stated, "This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."(John 6:29 KJV) YOU SAW the unwillingness to accept YOUR PLAN OF SALVATION THROUGH YOUR SON JESUS CHRIST. YOU SAW them living with the guilt of committing crimes to the heart. YOU SAW them enduring personal crisis. YOU SAW the weight of the burden on their hearts with each tribulation. YOU SAW them seeking comfort from the above mentioned topography, ONE OF THE MANY MARVELS YOUR PERFECT HANDS HAVE MADE. 👏👏👏 YOU SAW their worries about tomorrow.
If their hearts were a window that they could look through, oh the pains and scars they would see. What a cruel fate the skin gives as a mask to the inward pain. But the skin couldn’t cover THE SUFFERING YOUR ONE AND ONLY SON BORED on the cross as PAYMENT for all our sins because HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS ALONE HAD THE MERIT TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF YOUR HOLINESS. Indeed, ONLY HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS IS SUFFICIENT TO SAVE us from this present evil world as evidenced by Mary's song of praise. "And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour." (Luke 1:46-47 KJV) Awesome thanks to YOUR GREAT PARDON for being easy on the heart. 🥰
They have seen a lot of crazy things done in YOUR NAME. For example, the father of lies futile attempts to make crooked the right ways of the LORD to turn people away from faith in the WORKS OF JESUS CHRIST ALONE. How can anyone bear the thought of his or her life story detracting from the GLORY AND HONOR KNOWN TO BELONG TO CHRIST ALONE? As a consequence, YOU ARE A MYSTERY OF GREAT MYSTERY to them. Despite this conviction, YOU ARE MINDFUL of them as evidenced by the fact that YOUR JUDGEMENT is not speedy, allowing them to pursue the desires of the flesh.
They are aware of hypocrisy in religious assemblies that like to be seen and heard. In addition, secular education teaches that there is no right and wrong, if GOD exists there is no way of relating to HIM, and moral standards shift according to the whims of fashion. Therefore, their minds are conditioned to question everything this world has to offer including “THY POWER THROUGHOUT THE UNIVERSE DISPLAYED.” They have accepted the heavy burden of dealing with the troubles of this life and seek to know another way, YOU THE GREAT COMFORTER TO ALL who did receive YOU as their personal SAVIOR. Still, YOU have shown them NEW MERCY every day with each thought they make and each breath they take.
Unfortunately, like the prodigal son, we are all guilty of wandering far from YOU LORD because the negative experiences of our lives tend to build roadblocks to the TRUTH. As time marches on, JESUS CHRIST HELP them to identify the way, truth, and eternal life (that is YOU). Since to know and follow your SPIRIT is more exciting than any 007 movies, and YOU DELIGHT MAKING the ordinary into extraordinary. As time marches on, JESUS CHRIST MAKE them understand that there is no way around YOUR TRUTH, and that there is something about YOUR NAME. As time marches on, JESUS CHRIST HELP them defeat in their minds what is false in YOUR EYES.
LORD GUIDE their thoughts to know that the path of sin is hard on their hearts for the purpose of crying out to YOU to know the joy, peace of having the heavy burden LIFTED by THE GOD OF PEACE I AM, and ANCHOR their souls in THE HAVEN OF REST. In other words, LORD use the storms in their lives to get a hold of them to trust YOU and believe. In truth, YOU ARE THE JOY that seekest them through pain.
LORD HELP their fainting hearts to believe that YOU, who was slain on the cross over 2000 years ago has the POWER TO CHANGE lives today through the INSTANTANEOUS GREAT FAVOR from GOD to the house of Israel made known in believers by YOU to make YOUR NAME EVERLASTING. 🥰 For as the statue liberates the citizens so the cross liberates the soul. ONLY YOU can calm the trouble waters of the mind when one admits to wanting salvation from one’s sinful nature, JESUS IS LORD, and believes in the heart that GOD RAISED HIM from the dead TO LIFT the heavy burden of sin's guilt away from the heart in accordance to YOUR WORD found in Psalm 51:1-10 KJV. 👏👏👏👏👏👏 O, the wonder of it all to experience within the flesh the feeling of a tree being cut back/pruned in order for it to grow stronger and more beautiful after meditating on the words of said Psalm. 🥰🙌
LORD MAKE them know that ONLY YOUR HOLY SPIRIT, through the experience of a new birth within believers, can prevent the family circle from being broken because THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE YOU HAVE GRANTED means a chapter of their lives is decided. Creation sings the rebirth song for them yearly, through YOUR PROMISE of springtime, giving rise to the idea that by the mention of YOUR NAME flowers grow, and the desert blooms again. 🥰
LORD GUIDE their understanding of words to use to come into YOUR PRESENCE with an honest reverence of WHO YOU ARE to experience the beauty that time can't erase YOUR WISDOM resting on their faces. LORD STRENGTHEN their determination to never waiver in efforts to search for YOU because the wages of sin is too high for anyone to pay. Additionally, THE KING OF KINGS is needed in their hearts to learn how to expand their capacity to love for YOU are LOVE in any language. 🥰 Once they learn to speak it with boldness through YOUR WONDERFUL COUNSELING all the world will hear, and know that LOVE is the language of their hearts. So LORD, KEEP KNOCKING on their doors until they let YOU in to know hardships and struggles will end with a GREAT CELEBRATION WITH YOU. 🥰🙌
If one believes faith cannot be forced, YOU WILL GIVE that individual over to the stubborn heart to follow own counsel which will surely fail him or her to the extent that the punishment will last forever found in Psalms 81 NIV. Given this, I pray that YOU WILL MAKE that person see that this feeling is wasted for a world in which we become strangers as we age, gives us thrills instead of peace, aims to solve a problem but creates another, and unrest surges with each passing generation. Shed some light into their broken hearts for YOU ARE THE GREAT JEHOVAH, THE GOD THAT HEALETH thee.
Lastly, LORD when they call on YOU in earnest prayer to come into their hearts to be born again (repentance manifesting itself in a changed life), I pray that YOU WILL GIVE them the blessed assurance of their salvation because nothing breaks YOUR HEART, or tears YOU apart like when they cry from the trials of the devil who comes to slander, falsely accuse, steal, kill & destroy. Only by drawing nearer to YOU LORD will put them on a path to a glorious one way trip winding upward to YOU where pain is not welcome because the heart will never break anymore. For ONLY YOU UNDERSTANDS our tears since YOU LOOK at the heart, while humans look at the flesh.
O LOVE that will not let them go. When they don't have the strength to try, and have cried all they can cry hear their hearts that need YOU more today than yesterday. Many thanks LORD for speaking TRUTH in our lives TO BLESS those who are not offended by THEE. LET YOUR WILL BE DONE because YOUR LOVE ALONE CONQUERS everything by WAITING for them to cease struggling, and finally surrender to YOUR EMBRACE to learn about YOUR LOVE AND PROMISE TO TAKE CARE of your children exquisitely. 🥰 Since... "at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore"... (Psalms 16:11 KJV), and the nail print for them to know YOU by answering the following question. How did CHRIST LOVE people into a relationship with HIM? 🥰
@@goatvision6908sarcasm is unnecessary.😢
You do realize these people in Palestine are descendants of Abraham and serve the God of Abraham and the Arabic word for the name of God is Allah? Are you aware that Muslims believe Jesus is the Messiah. Are you aware that they believe that the profit Mohammad was sent to them because the Bible was corrupted by the same enemies Jesus had. They also believe Allah [God] loved Jesus so much that he didn't die, but ascended like Enoch, and a young boy disguised himself in his place.
Timely. I just returned from my own fact-finding trip to Israel 10 days ago.
Good timing getting out when you did. So what facts did you find?
We need more people like you
Every US college student must listen to this video. Hopefully this will open their minds and eyes.
Great job Coleman such a sensible enlightening discussion 🙏💕
I am so glad you appeared on my CZcams today 10/11/23. I am trying to understand the history of the fighting between Israel and Palestine. You and your guest have given me much to understand and think about. Thank you.
@@SigFigNewton People say they want actual Palestinian perspectives. What they're really looking for is secular justifications for a holy war that started before 700 AD and continues to this day. If you have a secular justification you can tell yourself "both sides are bad, it's a disagreement between them, and it doesn't affect me."
@@kathleankeesler1639 Gaza fights to end Israel. Gaza doesn't fight for freedom unless you specifically mean the freedom for Muslims to compel everyone else in the area to also be a Muslim.
@@gorkyd7912 It sounds like you're talking about Isamist extremists. Do you think that all two million civilians in Gaza are Islamist extremists? That seems unlikely.
@@incognitotorpedo42 What difference does it make how many citizens of Gaza are Islamic extremists? It's quite a lot, probably not all, but they support Hamas and elected Hamas since 2006. How many in Germany supported the big H? How many in Japan supported their emperor? Did we go to Hiroshima and ask first?
@@SigFigNewtonHe appeared to cover the Palestinian viewpoint. They don't feel there should be a Jewish state in the Middle East. They rejected two different two state solutions before the creation of the Jewish state, and chose instead a war that they lost. He didn't shy away from discussing Israel's refusal to let refugees back in the country, and the reason why (continued existence of a Jewish state). What did he leave out?
I appreciate how Coleman essentially did not take the side of anyone but just wanted to expose truth.
What an excellent explanation of the history of Israel / Palestine. I had also learnt from another expert on how the British may have wanted to appeal to the Zionists of Germany in 1917 to help expedite the end of the first world war too. I must also add, the sound quality from your microphone on the couch was superb compared to the microphone at the very beginning.
There is no conflict if there was no promise by the British to both sides. That's the root.
Hi Neil, I just wanted to say we have the same last name which is very uncommon and I’m wondering if you’re Irish and if your family is from anywhere around Roscommon?
I have always considered the word “propaganda” to be a neutral word. It’s not bad. It’s just persuasive language. For it to be bad, it needs a qualifier. “False propaganda.” “Biased propaganda.”
I think today people believe propaganda = lie. I know I've been lit up on some threads of all types saying propaganda doesn't necessarily = lie.
The word is inherently different than “journalism” which implies an unbiased reporting of facts. Propaganda implies that there is bias and deliberate marketing to persuade and endear people to whatever cause. Meaning the consumer of propaganda needs to be hyper critical of the content and what aim it is serving. Journalism can be influenced by propaganda. Propaganda can never be journalism, that is to say it can never be neutral.
@@emmaborg8833 propaganda is only suggestive of bias, but it need not be biased journalism to be propaganda. It need only be persuasive journalism. Yes I agree that most modern people use it to mean biased or even false. Propaganda can be both unbiased and truthful, but is always persuasive.
Thank you for this interview.
It's precious. Unfortunately, I agree with Dr Morris. I don't expect any good outcome.
There's too much evil.
People do not have sound minds.
Until Jesus returns . . .
@@detfan100not happening.
@@detfan100 which is never
@@ayotundeayoko5861 yep, with that perspective, you lose.
@@monkeysezbegood whatever you say, pillock....
coleman asks the most thoughtful questions, and in such a beautifully eloquent way. this is the first time I've listened. subbed.
Well, I would argue he's not especially "eloquent" which word has connotations of suave persuasiveness, fluency, forcefulness and confidence. That said, the fact I didn't notice any of those qualities should not be misinterpreted that I thought he didn't do a good job.
Au contraire - while in many respects his very measured, almost ponderous approach might indicate an interviewer struggling to fully appreciate what was being said or indeed losing his thread or lacking the processing power to strike at the heart of the issues, I feel if anything the faltering manner hinted at someone less interested in showboating, ego and image - rather at someone humble and serious who would rather extricate from his subject the most relevant information in a way that made sense and avoided the accusation of bias. While it may even have LACKED a bit of high drama, I would much rather that than the sturm und drang of a session where there's an obvious agenda and where the "personalities" become more important than the discussion.
If anything the interview's low key and modest timbre - far from eloquent - was what made me listen more intently (like paying extra attention at a pianissimo section of a symphony).
Due to the cacophony of emotions and opinions flying around at the moment, I decided not to be one of these people who, for not very edifying reasons, have seized - mostly very loudly - on the opportunity to trot out whatever interpretation on events they themselves want to put on it because it best furthers their own, tired old personal, political agenda WITHOUT understanding what factors - historic and present - impinge on the latest events... most commentary I've heard especially on established news sites is blatantly pushing one.
I am the first to take it to heart when I hear of Injustice. I get furious when I hear Noam Chomsky focussing only on how the Russo-Ukraine war is relevant to sinister and disingenuous American power and corporate greed. I don't doubt there's an element of that but I also think that there are a large numbers throughout the world for whom the sensation abounds that Russia's actions go against everything most regular people feel is right. Every fibre of me hates that Putin - a snarling, resentful bully - has confected this whole mirage of smoke and mirrors about the catastrophe of the collapse of the USSR, not because he has especially warm feelings for Communism or grandiose notions of the "rights" of Mother Russia to be this great sprawling, pregnant Empire - but because he wants Russia to be surrounded by a chain of crapulous, zombified, semi functional half-states, that basically provide a ring of protection around his own cesspit of a country where a third of the population are seriously alcoholic, another third still use an outhouse (the second you get out of Moscow and St Petersburg, the entire rest of the country stinks of shit as people go toilet in little potties and commodes which they mostly empty out the window wherever) and the other third are actively engaged in outright fraud and corruption, most particularly their president who COULDN'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK about ordinary Russians and who certainly wouldn't cross the road to "rescue" one from "Nazi persecution" in Ukraine. The entire business has only come about because he looked weak in 2013 when the army, police and riot control squadrons failed to quell the will of the people who made their views explicitly clear what they thought of their Russian glove puppet president - Yanukovych - not signing into law an economic policy that had been voted for by an overwhelming majority and was a seismic shift away from Russia and inexorably towards Europe. Crimea was, in short, a vindictive act of petty, vengeful retaliation and to "show Ukraine who was boss". And having laughably failed to take the whole country inside a couple of weeks in February last year, was doomed to press on grimly - Putin, as far as he is concerned, literally has no alternative. He may be a venal, hate-filled, resentful, power hungry gangster - filled to the brim with shame, personal inadequacies and insecurities - reduced to begging from and cosying up to the absolute worst regimes on the face of the planet including Iran and North Korea - but he KNOWS it's got frig all to do with "protecting ethnic Russians who found themselves outside of of Mother Russia's apron strings" - if anything he has to live with the fact that every day HUNDREDS of Russians are sacrificed on the altar of his angry little selfish aims. To project himself as a Godfather and his country as this almost mythical, ancient force that the world has to pay attention to, to fear and revere. And the irony is, he knows this long war he has found himself saddled with, has shone a brilliantly illuminating spotlight on the tragic, pathetic, backwards, jealous, corrupt and rotten country whose suppressed and fearful population live like filthy medieval serfs because him and his repugnant cabal of oligarchs have systematically raped Mother Russia in her battyhole for every drop of oil, every child's balloon of natural gas, every gram of gold, platinum and titanium and every diamond and sapphire and callously used it to silence his enemies and buy his allies' loyalty...
As for the Palestinians and their Arab backers - mainly Iran - that should tell you all you need to know. The whole premise of this "poor, put upon tribe of innocent people just trying to live" is utter bullshit. The STATED AIMS at the beginning of the Hamas Constitution is the "annihilation of the Jews by the power of Islam". Palestinians DON'T WANT peace. They want "total victory" over Israel and the death of every single Jew.
FAR TOO MUCH energy is being expended on all these politically correct causes and the nuances of various groups' perceived disadvantages and boohoohoo woe is me look at how repressed I am. Even in the USA, for decades there have been liberal policies doing nothing but extending the hand of friendship, acknowledgement of the past and huge amounts of cash pumped into programs to provide equal opportunities for all. In the same way, Western governments in the face of the most extreme provocation have not risen to the bait and if they have - like after 9/11 who can blame them? Just like if Israel has on occasion, not seemed like a very civil neighbour. Israel IS SICK of pussy footing around and trying this and that when it knows it has got the Palestinians - in other words and ayatollah's footsoldiers - on its doorstep. These people are bastards - they don't care about their Medieval religion - it's all a bloody great hypocrisy, purely a cover to allow them to use it as an excuse for the suppression of women, of blind hatred towards LGBTQ people and, like Putin, to prop up their corrupt, lazy, useless, cruel, resentful little regimes. And it IS all PURE RESENTFUL JEALOUSY. They CANNOT STAND that they're all swarming around with their superstitions, their heat and dust and sprawling poverty and Jesus Christ the SHEER EFFORT of repression and justifying themselves by blaming absolutely everyone and everything except themselves. It's always "the Jews, America, imperialism" blah blah blah oh spare me. The Arab world for hundreds of years was the centre of the world for Maths, Astronomy, Philosophy and Logic - all the world's knowledge was at the fingertips of Arab scholars which Fate and circumstances had bequeathed to them. The ancient universities of Bologna, Paris and Oxford learned everything they knew from the Arabs!!! Yes, the fucking Popes were a pain in the arse - for five hundred years stirring up trouble. But considering the First Crusade instigated by Urban II was in 1096, I'm sorry but even half a millennium of belligerence is itself now 500 years ago. And anyway, by the 16th Century it was the Ottomans making all the running and marauding up to the gates of Vienna still in 1683. They lost, by the way and have been in decline since and that is what this truly is all about. They HATE it that Jews all over the world - including Israel - are renowned for their prudence, strong family bonds, intelligence, talent and work ethic - they make their Arab neighbours look like peasants.
Just like Russia, this was Palestine's doing. Way back in 1948 King Farouk of Egypt lamented the setting up of a Jewish state - and when it happened do you know what he said? "The Arabs will drive the Jews into the sea" Well I hope that him and his successors and their allies can bloody swim😂😂😂 so now let every single Arab face the consequences if they want to go up against Israel.....
I’ve loved listening to Coleman since before his podcast. He’s gifted at this. Very balanced and reasonable.
SHAM. You just brought on a fake historian... propaganda master. Incredible.
This is the factual history of this conflict and most of us Israelis know it very well. I think the problem for us is knowing that the Palestinians could have had peace with us years ago and this would all have been over if they only wanted it to be over. Meanwhile , for years we have been losing family and friends due to wars , conflicts, and terror attacks inside the country! People here are simply traumatized . How long can you stay left wing and advocate for peace before you say damn it I’m fed up? because of the Palestinians leaders unwilling to do peace with us and recognize the Jewish state, and would rather slaughter us at every chance they’re given. So there come a point when the Israeli society says f*ck it, and maybe the best thing to do is to occupy everything, both the West Bank and Gaza because otherwise we will lose our lives here with growing hatred for Jews, especially when we are surrounded with enemies that want to kill us and sometimes succeed by doing so. The question is how many times more, since 1948 should we try peace until we understand it’s not achievable?
Excellent, engaging throughout. Very good questions. Well balanced and clear.
End of interview was a great illustration of US/Israeli culture clash:
US: Let's end on a positive note! Can you tell our listeners your most optimistic vision for the future?
Israeli: No. I can't. I'm not optimistic of anything positive happening.
US: Great! Thanks again to our sponsors....
🤣omg yes
Optimistic outcome would come about with the Arabs adopting a minority Arab view that the Jews are our cousins and working together would improve the entire region. Prince Faisal of Iraq is one prominent Arab who held this view. Also invoking the prophet Mohammed’s peace be unto him ,advice -
Give control of any land to the one who can make it flourish in this manner all will be nourished.
Arabs remind themselves that when Caliph Omar conquered Israel in the 7th Century he met 10s of thousands of Jews already living there. And in the 19th- 21st centuries Jews increased there possession of the land by purchasing land. Also Israel gained land from repelling the Wars of Annihilation that the Arabs launched
against Israel in 1948 and 1967.
You don’t get a second chance to launch more wars from these lands .
Losing your land is a relatively minor penalty to pay for murder and attempted murder.
😂😂😂😂😂
I’m a new listener and am taken back by the thoughtfulness and respect that is taken to deliver this episode. Thank you to you both and I will be a new subscriber. Keep up the brilliant work
Listening to him makes me feel do we owe much much more to the native Americans?
I think the fact that some people call you propaganda is actually a sign of how much biased is their mind
Great interview, great questions. Thank you for having this brilliant historian explaining a difficult subject 🙏
Benny Morris is not being completely truthful, he only uses some truths but mostly propaganda.
If you want truth then research Israeli historians Shlomo Sand and Ilan Pappe.
Im staying inside the old city of jerusalem.Its a good interview and clear explanation.Hope it helps the other understand and pray for free of every body inside this very conflicated country.I have a temporary resident here.I praying for peace in whole world to serve all humankind.Sad to see babies,woman,man,children died.God bless to you both of you.
What's your background? What are things like there? What are the feelings of the Arabs in Jerusalem about it?
I hope you stay safe💓
I'm listening to this for the second time after researching the subject over the last month (like so many others), and it is even better and more illuminating now that I have some additional information. Please, please invite Dr. Morris to another conversation about the current situation. It would also be fascinating to hear you both reflecting on some of your opinions and talking points in light of later developments, such as the likelihood of Jews being targeted by antisemitic pogroms around the world. Thank you both for a rational and balanced conversation, which is sorely missing on most platforms today.
You are aware all Palestinians are Semites..... right?
Thanks Bro. Coleman for ur boldness to entertain this subject from a general unbiased view. U have a new follower✌🏾
THE EMPTY CAPE ... MY FOOT!
Thank you to Coleman for the history timeline, and Benny for the enlightening details of this never ending man-made conflict.
I doubt if I will hear a better summary about this conflict than this. Both Coleman and Dr. Morris did an excellent job of presenting this hot potato, especially given what the Israel and the Palestinians and the rest of us onlookers have gone through in the past four days.
Brilliant young man, you are doing a great job, there is so much misunderstanding in this conflict, this will bring light and truth in this matter. Great job....
Excellent historical facts presented here which I knew from extensive study. This video must be circulated throughout the world
This was fascinating, and I learned a lot. I was very impressed with your skill and fairness in interviewing. Well done!
Wow, these topics really make one appreciate the power of journalism. Reminiscent of one of the greats who had to go to great Lengths of expression.
Kudos General
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These are Not The Real Israelites, These are Really Edomites.
It is war week. I watched this awhile ago. Now I am watching again. I ended up researching after watching. I have to say, we humans have amazing potential for both good and bad. It saddens me. I watch you to stay grounded because I believe you seek truth! 😢
Only recently a I have discovered this channel. What a high-skilled interviewer. Congrats to Coleman Hughes. I have subscribed his channel. Dr. Benny Morris has a great knowledge and also show the emotional and sad feelings produced by such a complex and defying situation (in terms of existential threats). I have never traveled to this region. But having an interest in history, I read books and follow some youtube channels. I have also a not-optimistic on the future of the Israel-Palestine along the next 100 years. So I understand his answear to the very interesting last question made by Coleman Hughes.
Classic interview.. great work, great questions, and answers. 😊thanks
Wow, these topics really make one appreciate the power of journalism. Reminiscent of one of the greats who had to go to great Lengths of expression.
Kudos General
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On the one hand I'm really sad that Dr. Morris didn't answer your last question. His lack of hope stings. AND... today we have 6 days of experience in just why he may have had no hope. Thank you for your usual thoughtful, thorough and fair approach to something that really IS VERY misunderstood, misreported and often misrepresented even by people who claim to be well informed. I learned a real lot that I didn't know and now have pointers where to go to find out. Thank you.
Just rewatched this. This is a timeless episode. It is one of the few discussions where you can get the facts and come to your own conclusion. GREAT questions! Great job Coleman!
Yeah, Historic and religious Israel people own this land.
According to the Bible GOD gave this land to Israeli people
According to the Quran allah gave this land to Israeli people
Israel so many times try to fix and be fair with this ' Palestinians '
This problem is not about this piece of land
THIS STARTED SINCE Islam was born and Mohammed gave the order to all his worshippers to kill the Jews and the Christians,
Wtf are you talking about?!
@@stargazerh112what are you talking about?
@@noahfletcher3019 what I’m talking about is that Coleman is literally brainwashed. He literally admitted that he went on a paid for trip to Israel and was spoon-fed their propaganda. He literally spent a couple of minutes trying to defend the idea of propaganda. Before admitting that he was the subject of Israeli propaganda(his words not mine) he literally said he was reluctant to speak on the topic because he doesn’t nearly know enough about it. One of his justifications for the propaganda was that he “was aloud to ask questions “?!? How does someone who literally admitted he doesn’t even know enough about the topic to feel comfortable talking about it on a show even know what questions to ask? Let alone to the people who are literally paid for a living to propagandize him in the first place.
And now he Is literally spewing the very same propaganda as if he is somehow an authority? Literally asserting false things as facts.
Then he proceeded to present Morris as some “left leaning” objective historian of Israel. Talk about misleading. Especially to an American public. For one the terms “left” and “right” barely have any significance within the US. Now he is essentially conflating the American left with the Israeli left?!
The mainstream Israeli left is essentially pro apartheid. The mainstream Israeli right is pro ethnic cleansing.
Disappointing to say the least.
Agreed. What takes place in Israel affects the nations all around it. The Israelites (Jews) have nowhere to go and the Palestinians refuse to accept a two-state solution. This issue will be resolved with the imminent return of THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. Now comes a prayer of complete surrender using caps as emphasis to help others find THE WAY AT GOD'S MERCY (HIS LOVE GIFT IN JESUS CHRIST) since our contract with survival is brokered with sadness, fragility and anxiety.
On a balcony of space STEPPED A PURE AND HOLY GOD. IN AWESOME SOLITUDE YOU STOOD ALONE. Not one faint star to give YOU light; just endless darkness, it was blackest night. But somehow in the darkness YOU COULD SEE.
YOU SAW mountains high and lofty, YOU SAW valleys lush and green. YOU SAW babbling brooks, and wildflowers grow, YOU EVEN HEARD a robin sing. Then through YOUR COMPASSION STANDING OUT THERE IN YOUR TOMORROW, YOU SAW forum's visitors, their families and friends. 🥰
YOU SAW them as sinners (missing the mark when aiming to solve a problem then creating another resulting in their weaknesses prevailing causing guilt of wrong doing) because there is no intrinsic righteousness in any of us due to Adam’s sin. YOU SAW them as they grew from a baby into adulthood due to YOUR HANDS OF MERCY. 🥰 YOU SAW them pursuing a career path for the purpose of obtaining the gains of the world not realizing that it is a loss compared to what YOU DID on the cross. YOU SAW them working long and laboring hard to receive justification by grace even though YOU stated, "This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent."(John 6:29 KJV) YOU SAW the unwillingness to accept YOUR PLAN OF SALVATION THROUGH YOUR SON JESUS CHRIST. YOU SAW them living with the guilt of committing crimes to the heart. YOU SAW them enduring personal crisis. YOU SAW the weight of the burden on their hearts with each tribulation. YOU SAW them seeking comfort from the above mentioned topography, ONE OF THE MANY MARVELS YOUR PERFECT HANDS HAVE MADE. 👏👏👏 YOU SAW their worries about tomorrow.
If their hearts were a window that they could look through, oh the pains and scars they would see. What a cruel fate the skin gives as a mask to the inward pain. But the skin couldn’t cover THE SUFFERING YOUR ONE AND ONLY SON BORED on the cross as PAYMENT for all our sins because HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS ALONE HAD THE MERIT TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF YOUR HOLINESS. Indeed, ONLY HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS IS SUFFICIENT TO SAVE us from this present evil world as evidenced by Mary's song of praise. "And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour." (Luke 1:46-47 KJV) Awesome thanks to YOUR GREAT PARDON for being easy on the heart. 🥰
They have seen a lot of crazy things done in YOUR NAME. For example, the father of lies futile attempts to make crooked the right ways of the LORD to turn people away from faith in the WORKS OF JESUS CHRIST ALONE. How can anyone bear the thought of his or her life story detracting from the GLORY AND HONOR KNOWN TO BELONG TO CHRIST ALONE? As a consequence, YOU ARE A MYSTERY OF GREAT MYSTERY to them. Despite this conviction, YOU ARE MINDFUL of them as evidenced by the fact that YOUR JUDGEMENT is not speedy, allowing them to pursue the desires of the flesh.
They are aware of hypocrisy in religious assemblies that like to be seen and heard. In addition, secular education teaches that there is no right and wrong, if GOD exists there is no way of relating to HIM, and moral standards shift according to the whims of fashion. Therefore, their minds are conditioned to question everything this world has to offer including “THY POWER THROUGHOUT THE UNIVERSE DISPLAYED.” They have accepted the heavy burden of dealing with the troubles of this life and seek to know another way, YOU THE GREAT COMFORTER TO ALL who did receive YOU as their personal SAVIOR. Still, YOU have shown them NEW MERCY every day with each thought they make and each breath they take.
Unfortunately, like the prodigal son, we are all guilty of wandering far from YOU LORD because the negative experiences of our lives tend to build roadblocks to the TRUTH. As time marches on, JESUS CHRIST HELP them to identify the way, truth, and eternal life (that is YOU). Since to know and follow your SPIRIT is more exciting than any 007 movies, and YOU DELIGHT MAKING the ordinary into extraordinary. As time marches on, JESUS CHRIST MAKE them understand that there is no way around YOUR TRUTH, and that there is something about YOUR NAME. As time marches on, JESUS CHRIST HELP them defeat in their minds what is false in YOUR EYES.
LORD GUIDE their thoughts to know that the path of sin is hard on their hearts for the purpose of crying out to YOU to know the joy, peace of having the heavy burden LIFTED by THE GOD OF PEACE I AM, and ANCHOR their souls in THE HAVEN OF REST. In other words, LORD use the storms in their lives to get a hold of them to trust YOU and believe. In truth, YOU ARE THE JOY that seekest them through pain.
LORD HELP their fainting hearts to believe that YOU, who was slain on the cross over 2000 years ago has the POWER TO CHANGE lives today through the INSTANTANEOUS GREAT FAVOR from GOD to the house of Israel made known in believers by YOU to make YOUR NAME EVERLASTING. 🥰 For as the statue liberates the citizens so the cross liberates the soul. ONLY YOU can calm the trouble waters of the mind when one admits to wanting salvation from one’s sinful nature, JESUS IS LORD, and believes in the heart that GOD RAISED HIM from the dead TO LIFT the heavy burden of sin's guilt away from the heart in accordance to YOUR WORD found in Psalm 51:1-10 KJV. 👏👏👏👏👏👏 O, the wonder of it all to experience within the flesh the feeling of a tree being cut back/pruned in order for it to grow stronger and more beautiful after meditating on the words of said Psalm. 🥰🙌
LORD MAKE them know that ONLY YOUR HOLY SPIRIT, through the experience of a new birth within believers, can prevent the family circle from being broken because THE HOPE OF ETERNAL LIFE YOU HAVE GRANTED means a chapter of their lives is decided. Creation sings the rebirth song for them yearly, through YOUR PROMISE of springtime, giving rise to the idea that by the mention of YOUR NAME flowers grow, and the desert blooms again. 🥰
LORD GUIDE their understanding of words to use to come into YOUR PRESENCE with an honest reverence of WHO YOU ARE to experience the beauty that time can't erase YOUR WISDOM resting on their faces. LORD STRENGTHEN their determination to never waiver in efforts to search for YOU because the wages of sin is too high for anyone to pay. Additionally, THE KING OF KINGS is needed in their hearts to learn how to expand their capacity to love for YOU are LOVE in any language. 🥰 Once they learn to speak it with boldness through YOUR WONDERFUL COUNSELING all the world will hear, and know that LOVE is the language of their hearts. So LORD, KEEP KNOCKING on their doors until they let YOU in to know hardships and struggles will end with a GREAT CELEBRATION WITH YOU. 🥰🙌
If one believes faith cannot be forced, YOU WILL GIVE that individual over to the stubborn heart to follow own counsel which will surely fail him or her to the extent that the punishment will last forever found in Psalms 81 NIV. Given this, I pray that YOU WILL MAKE that person see that this feeling is wasted for a world in which we become strangers as we age, gives us thrills instead of peace, aims to solve a problem but creates another, and unrest surges with each passing generation. Shed some light into their broken hearts for YOU ARE THE GREAT JEHOVAH, THE GOD THAT HEALETH thee.
Lastly, LORD when they call on YOU in earnest prayer to come into their hearts to be born again (repentance manifesting itself in a changed life), I pray that YOU WILL GIVE them the blessed assurance of their salvation because nothing breaks YOUR HEART, or tears YOU apart like when they cry from the trials of the devil who comes to slander, falsely accuse, steal, kill & destroy. Only by drawing nearer to YOU LORD will put them on a path to a glorious one way trip winding upward to YOU where pain is not welcome because the heart will never break anymore. For ONLY YOU UNDERSTANDS our tears since YOU LOOK at the heart, while humans look at the flesh.
O LOVE that will not let them go. When they don't have the strength to try, and have cried all they can cry hear their hearts that need YOU more today than yesterday. Many thanks LORD for speaking TRUTH in our lives TO BLESS those who are not offended by THEE. LET YOUR WILL BE DONE because YOUR LOVE ALONE CONQUERS everything by WAITING for them to cease struggling, and finally surrender to YOUR EMBRACE to learn about YOUR LOVE AND PROMISE TO TAKE CARE of your children exquisitely. 🥰 Since... "at thy right hand there are pleasures for evermore"... (Psalms 16:11 KJV), and the nail print for them to know YOU by answering the following question. How did CHRIST LOVE people into a relationship with HIM? 🥰
Incredibly insightful. This was awesome to watch.
This was excellent. Just discovered this episode. How timely. 😢
Excellent conversation, very honest and most importantly it touches the most important points of this topic, in my view.
As an Israeli, how researched the subject a lot ans supports a two state solution. I must say that this was an excellent and very accurate and well done interview, that show the major issues the block both Israeli and Palestines from living in a realtive peace.
How can u have peace without justice. Israel is an illegitimate state borne of foreign colonization of Palestine by White European jews.
90% jews 1947 comes from German and easternurupe. 😢 How so called chosen people doing crulty 😢 holy fucking chosen people
To believe those people in charge are going to change is like believing the democrat party here in America is going to become honest and law abiding.
These people in power in Palestine are like the race baiters here in America. Race baiting is lucrative. There’s big money in this, and it’s the biggest business in generating riches & power.
With all the racist hate indoctrination of children in grade school the acceptance of a two state solution is a fantasy and a farce!!!!!
Yasser Arafat was offered a two state solution by Bill Clinton in the 1990s, he refused, saying that he’d be killed as soon as he returned.
Pure undiluted Zionist propaganda,
Why he never mentioned the Likud, the Irgun, the stern gang, massacres
Morris is a total Chad, respect Sir. Thank you for your work
Coleman, you are doing important work here, and I really appreciate it. Sending regards from Colorado 🙂
Thank you Coleman and Benny. A very thoughtful look at the Israel/Palestine conflict with eyes and ears wide open.
I'm only at 17 minutes of this video. When does Benny mention that Zionists influence was used to pull USA into WW1 to tip the power favour to Great Britain in exchange for Palestinian land? It's hard to accurately grade a performance if you know nothing about a subject. If Benny mentions it, please accept my apology.
Dr. Morris is forgetting to mention that the British had promised both the Arabs and the Jews that they would be freed and independent of British and French rule. The Arabs were promised Syria but after the war the British gave it to the French and they took over Iraq for the oil fields. The British used the Arabs to defeat the Ottoman Empire that's why they had promised them independence. They lied and this is one of the reasons why Arabs hate the west and don't trust us. On top of all that, the British supported a new Jewish state in Palestine therefore kicking the Arabs from their homes and establishing the now called the state of Israel.
Ben Shapiro does a very good over view albeit from a Jewish perspective. But it is very good none the less
Probably the best I have seen thus far
Interview IIlan Pappe or better Norman Finklestein. Presenting one side isn’t good journalism after you just spent a vacation in Israel courtesy of the government.
The only balanced and well reasoned discussion I've seen on the matter. Excellent work by host and guest.
To be honest , I must say I share pretty much the views of Mr. Benny Morris . I must however compliment on asking the right questions while keeping moderate on these extremely emotional issues. And of course complimenting the crystal clarity and honesty of Benny Morris's words.
Good overview. Impossible to cover all elements. And agree/disagree with some of Benny's thoughts on how Israel should have acted post 1967. But that happens in life and politics.
Some additional points.
1920 San Marino Conference/Agreement. Gives essential context as it was not just the Palestinian Mandate that was being split up. French Mandate was also. Israel was not the only country being created around this period. Iraq, Syria, Jordan and Lebanon were created.
The only Geo area created under this Mandate system that has proved controversy was the Mandate for Palestine. An area of land created under the exact agreement as the others.
It was decided in 1920 in San Remo by the then league of Nations, that this area of land would eventually be for the Jews, as they were the indigenous people of that land. No one disputed this, at that time.
Iraq,Syria, Lebanon were created not based on population numbers but based on how all new states were created around the world.
International law has a principle in place for the basis of what the borders of a new country should be based on.
It's called the UTI Possidetis Juris Principle. For creating these new States. ( It uses the last geopolitical borders of the last entity that existed there. It doesn't basis it on population demographics).
And in Israel's case the last geopolitical entity to exist before the land was occupied by various Empires, was the Jews. Hence why when you hearn it's Palestinian land' and they quote UN. The UN has no legal or historical basis to support it. UN decisions do not equal International Law. Why only with Israel. And non of the others. That will be the Jewish aspect.
Secondly under this 1920 mandate. All of Palestinian Mandate was offered to tje Jews. The British then went against this and gave 75% of this land and created Jordan (made up mainly of Palestinians). So already Jews lost 75% of land agreed. Then were happy to have 30% of what was remaining before 1948 War.
Regards Palestinian refugees. Could have been useful to mention that after 1948, 800,000 Jews were forcibly thrown out of neighbouring Arab Nations. (In fact all Arab nations have ethnically cleansed their land of Jews post 1948). Unlike what Arab Nations did to Palestinian refugees. Israel absorbed these Jewish Refugees into the population. Arabs have kept many Palestinian's in refugee camps.
Third and final historical point. After WW2 there were tens of millions of refugees around the world. All were absorbed by various nations and integrated under UN refugee plan. However UN created a unique organsiation called UNWRA for Palestinian's. And created a unique status for Palestinians where the refugee status is passed on to their children. (No other refugees have this status. Normally refugess children just become citizens of their host nation. Not so with Palestinians particularly within their Arab Nations hosts. Hence why there are now zero Jewish refugees out of the 800,000 made refugees from Arab nations but Palestinian refugees have actually increased from 700,000 to over 6 million..
Sad for them and for Israel who has to deal with this political creation. But the Palestinian leaders of both PA and Hamas have become Billionaires through the aid money given and squandered.
This is the best interview without either siding with no bribes, saying non biased.
I was delighted for well over the hour.
Congrats.
Your historical information by your guest is held in honorable knowledge.
Trust me, these individuals are completely steamrolling the facts and they are NOT impartial even for second. If you consider yourself an impartial observer, it becomes necessary to ask why a nation should relinquish its territory for the sake of accommodating another group of people. And yet, when the affected party disagrees with the one-sided decisions made by colonial powers, they are inexplicably labeled as villains. It takes a certain level of delusion to deny that Israel is essentially a colonial enterprise backed by Western powers. Israelis engage in mental acrobatics to rationalize their position, conveniently neglecting to mention that the so-called "peaceful solution" offered to the Arabs was nothing more than an ultimatum: "Live with it." Let's not forget that Israel has gradually annexed 90% of the land, all while claiming to seek peace.
Oh that’s funny, because it was obviously siding😂 I don’t know how you couldn’t hear that🤔
Thats cuz theyre on the same side dummy
I’ve gained new understanding of some key points from this enlightening interview. I’ve long wanted some context to modify the ubiquitous extremist viewpoints. In historical context, I feel some mistakes were made by one party or the other at every step. But today, those missed opportunities have gained a momentum that seems unstoppable. Dr. Morris is a pragmatist, and I respect that. But the parties have made little, if any, progress toward a pragmatic solution, and the trend is toward even less realism. The issues are being magnified to a mortal fear of losing for both sides, obviously an impossible situation.
Very much appreciated, Coleman.
I have listened to multiple different sources and hours of podcasts. This is by far, the most balanced perspective on the war. We can sympathize with both the Israeli and Palestinian people and judge their governments for these mass causalities. At the end of the day though, we all know that Israel is still the most peaceful and prosperous nation. In Palestine, I just don't know how many are truly terrified of Hamas or are supporting them. And Hamas is the greater evil, by far.
This is by far the best information I have found on all of CZcams on this subject. You questions to this man were amazing and gets to the heart of what we are all asking! Thank you!
Excellent, Coleman! Thanks for being a voice of intelligence and reason.
I thoroughly enjoyed this podcast... I am going to share with everyone... I couldn't really pick anything out of the podcast that I didn't agree with.
Thanks to you both for such an informative and thoughtful interview. I had not heard of Dr. Morris before this and am now curious to learn/read more from him.
Dr Benny Morris does offer a balanced view of the situation. He has become more pessimistic about the future over the years. His major fault is not having access to Arabic original documentation (as a non Arabic speaker, unlike Prof. Mordecai Kedar, who is more right wing but is an Arabic speaker).
What an incredible interview!!! Thank you so much!
Excellent, thoughtful programme. Thanks to both of these commentators for presenting the background to this seemingly intractable conflict.
Superb interview with a genuine expert. Well done.
Very good discussion. Two honest people giving information that is particularly needed today.
Would be interesting to have a part 2 to this conversation now, after 10/07/2023.
Thank you for offering this conversation, most people watching mainstream media don’t have any idea how things evolved and how complicated it has been at every stage. Maybe hope exist if the Iran somehow change first?
How exactly would that happen though?
Good question.
I’m a pessimist so I don’t see hope between Israel and Palestine alone, neither of them have a way out, have a choice. So I wonder if there’s any cracks in the powers behind. I haven’t studied at all to suggest anything, just some blind hope.
Iran (and others) is using Hamas and Hezbollah to hijack Palestine civilians, provoked Israel and wanted to cause as much as Palestine casualties as possible, seems like this is their strategy, and unfortunately Israel takes the bait (from their point of view maybe they just don’t see any other choice). This war could give China another chance for democratic gain in the middle east (though I think they will screw up again), and give Russia a chance when the US is distracted from Ukraine. It’s hard to imagine those dictators didn’t coordinate in some way but even they did not, they certainty found synergy in the two wars now and start to have bigger ideas. I don’t think things will work for them in the long run, but the world will see some hard time before these evil regimes get exhausted, I think they will.
This was an amazing interview Coleman! Thanks so much!
So might makes right?
@@greenbluephantom3970 I don't hold that belief.
@@simonsays525 That seemed to be the professor's view....
@@greenbluephantom3970 I didn't walk away from the interview with that take.
@@simonsays525 The professor seemed to be talking out of both sides of his mouth regarding the legitimacy of how the Jewish state was formed as opposed to how the United States was formed. Immorality with U.S. formation but little immorality in the Jewish state formation. Now....does Israel have the right to existence in MY BEDROOM???
Dear Coleman Hughes, thank you for hosting this important discussion with the illustrious Dr Benny Morris. Am a bit dismayed at the obviousness of some of your questions i.e. those questions regarding the goals of the Palestinian army but otherwise a great interview. Thanks again. Be well. Klvn
in 6 day war 1967 , soviets sent false signals to egypt that israel is preparing to attack even though they werent. this is very important
Israel preemptively stuck Egypt.
Spewing nonsense has limits.
@fminc only after egypt blockaded tiran straits (which is an act of war) and gathered all their troops to west of israel
@@ts8960 point stands.
If we start rolling the dominoes backwards, we need to go back to the Balfour agreement in 1917.
All of this does not justify anything anyways.
Fact is, Israel is illegally occupying Palestine, so even if Egypt attacked them first, WHICH they did not, what does it matter?