Antikythera Fragment #9 - Ancient Tool Technology - The Scorper And Trammel
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- Antikythera Fragment #9 - Ancient Tool Technology - The Scorper And Trammel, by Clickspring.
In this video I put forward a proposal for how the spirals on the rear dial of the mechanism may have been formed.
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no joke this is literally the BEST engineering series in youtube history
Pratical archaeology is impressive.
@Alec Hemy Yes, Chris is one of those people who takes his craft beyond the imagination of most people.
I agree with you.
@@kirgan1000 Machine Thinking is pretty close tho.
Absolutely on par with even Project Binky!
The clear way you show us the build, the problems and the problem solving is just amazing.
Thank you mate :)
Both of you are extremely inspirational :)
Can we get a brass and wood Marble Machine XI? That would be the single most clockworkpunk thing ever.
Both of you are doing an amazing job of dispelling the myth that experts get it right on the first try. It's truly amazing to watch. Thank you.
Is it weird that I read this in your voice?
I can't believe there has not been a new episode for 17 months. :(
yeah its been a long time...maybe he finished it and is going to upload like 10 at once...
@@TheHomelessNinja I hope so. been waiting for a while to see what other tools he has to reengineer to get the job done
Yes, reviewed every episode already during Covid but hoping there is some news soon so I can end the year on a happy note.
good news on that, keep your eyes peeled
for a minute there I thought you were really going to chase those spirals out by hand. Excellent video.
Thank you mate :)
I'm sure he is good enough to do that but this was a much more elegant solution. And it apparently duplicated the original shape.
I seriously love this community Of artisans. I don't get TV in the mountains of North Georgia. And I will not pay to be lied to on cable or dish. I spend my time watching CZcams and the amazing videos produced by craftsmen of caliber. Some are straightforward others use humor and sarcasm and I truly enjoy both venues. I thank you all the older I get the less I can do but the more I can appreciate what others do, if that makes any sense.
Fancy seeing you here Tony.
I did not realize you exist outside of your channel and various nefarious motorcycle tracks
I used to work with cultural heritage conservation, especially historical industrial sites. Your work is the best example I have ever seen of the beauty in the understanding and connection to the human past that can be found when one delves deeply into the practical functionality of old and ancient inventions. This is just like Sagan's description of books as a means of instantly entering the mind of someone else, possibly long dead and gone - only this way is so much more intimate. Fantastic work, Chris.
Thank you mate :)
It's quite heartening and even amusing to see that the superb delicacy and precision displayed by Chris in this series is offsetby the fact that he has recently twatted his thumb with a hammer. He is human, after all.
New word. Twatted. I like it.
@@shanepowers7566 It's similar to 'Thwacked' but considerably more emotional 😋
Mindblowing!
Thank you mate!
the only 2 channels on yt i really am addicted to replying to each other.. love you guys
Alec, Chris, John Saunders and John Grimsmo walk in to a bar.....
Hey Alec no brakes for you. I always love watching your channels and thanks for all the work you do
Click springing! Lol
I WAS THERE 1000 YEARS AGO WHEN THIS SERIES ALL BEGAN
2000?
Damn Seth, you don't look a day over 500yo :)
Hey folks, in this video I offer a proposal for how the spirals on the rear dial of the mechanism may have been formed, that
may also explain the features of some items from the period in the British Museum collection - Please enjoy!
Clickspring The insights into the ancient world of tool technology and workshop culture you can bring to modern light, only as a hobby clockmaker, are incredible. Please, never stop what you are doing.
12345NOU54321 - I agree! Never. Ever. Stop.
Your videos should be required for any engineering and machine shop class.
Thanks and keep up the good work...
By the way,, Grade AA + cinematography. ..too.
😆
So, are you writing academic papers on this stuff? If not, you should be. Great stuff, great research and ideas.
I am always impressed by the level of thoughtfulness and determination in research and application. From humble beginnings you have managed to push the bar further than most anyone could hope to achieve and educated the viewership on many levels as well! Incredible level of achievement in my book.
Legend has it half a million people are waiting excitedly for that "future episode"
This is the best thing CZcams has going for it and it has been 6 months since and Antikythera video. I'm like jonesing for my antipodean clockwork videos.
Right before the “Fragment” wind chimes, we hear …a needle in a groove. ❤️
Bravo, Chris, Bravo!
Well worth the wait. Always love seeing your videos.
the chris army has assembled once again to bask in the glory
A Greek named Scorpolos walks into a large machine shop and applies for a job as a trammel operator, and gets hired to make childrens merry go rounds. He comes home that night and his wife asks him how the new job went. He replies " I've been running around in circles all day".
Alternatively, he replies "Είμαι πολύ ζαλισμένος."
You need a billion subscribers. Your quality is unparalleled
Holy... it's already a year... can't wait for the next episode.
Mesmerizing, as always.
Thank you mate :)
Almost makes you wonder if all those 1s and 0s are really necessary.
These videos are not just instructional to watch, they actually *are* very promissing bits of experimental archeology.
Lad, I am just amazed by every single episode.
THIS! I always hate how people think up explanations without ever trying to see if they work (at all) or are the least bit practical. I love his approach, thought process, and finally proof that it's totally doable the way he has proposed.
My only hope is that in another 2000 years people will still be trying to figure out how @clickspring made this series so damn good!
Man I miss these episodes
I'm a non-native english speaker... but wow, I saw and I understood every single bit. When I see someone doing something that takes that much time and effort, I get enormous inspired. Thanks, Chris. P. Chris.
I always start by wanting you to just use modern tools and bring this thing to life quickly, but once I see you pull it off using "simplified" methods I'm happy you chose to do it this way. You're a mad man btw!
Imo the tools are the best part.
Woke up this morning to a notification of a new Clickspring video. Watched it before even making coffee. I normally don't do _anything_ before coffee.
Oh man, watching this video was true pleasure!
I'm so impressed by what you're doing with this series, and couldn't be happier that my half-joking guess months ago that the Antikythera Mechanism would be your next project turned out to be correct 😋 I don't think anyone could have imagined how wonderful this journey would end up being.
2 Years can be divided into months, 24 to be precise...I’m with Sharky, I reached out to the universe and said Antikythera Mechanism as well, blew me away when Dad said oh! Have you alreaday seen it!
What I didn’t guess, and which is 100 times more awesome... is using “tools and techniques available to the artisans of antiquity”... did I get that right otter?
Hahaha! I did that as well. Then the reveal dropped and I was spitting coffee and screaming "I WAS JOKING YOU LUNATIC!" at my computer.
Chris these videos are of profound historical value. Thank you so much. It's really unbelievable this is free to watch.
Why is youtube only just now recommending this to me? I've searched and watched other engineering AND woodworking channels! Oh well, now I have lots of binge watching material!!! Liked and subbed!
I know I have a 1:1,000,000 shot of this being read, but god damn I'd love to see you make a euphonium. Watching your clock videos right now and they're making me feel a longing. I feel nostalgic for something I've never experienced.
Terrific to have you watching mate :)
@@Clickspring Senpai noticed me!
I love you.
Beautiful workmanship Chris, your content is always a pleasure to watch.
Thanks for uploading.
The Antikythera Mechanism has awestruck me for years and now in a single night Ive found and watched your entire series and become a better person from the knowledge and connections to the past youve established with all your hard work on the remaking and recording/editing of this device and its creation process. You are doing an incredible job and I cant wait for the privilege to see you complete your journey with all of us viewers alongside. The exceptional quality of your craftsmanship, videos, character, and attention to detail are an immeasurable benefit and joy to the world.
I cant help but think as you replicate this astounding device that the sounds of your busy workshop ring back through the ages thousands of years and forge a stronger relationship to our ancestors that is exceptionally rare to find/create/understand. To think, many of the things you have done are near identical processes and a direct link to all our humanity and that we are all fortunate enough to experience it with you. I can only imagine the direct connection you feel to a time long before us.
Thank you, and best of luck to you on your endeavors and life overall, as well as all those you share your life with, I know mine has been vastly enriched by you at great convenience and when I go back to work (Industrial Maintenance) once my broken ankle heals I will donate to this wonderful channel.
P.S. So youve almost finished this project it seems, might I suggest my idea for the new one? Another mysterious feat of human engineering, The Great Pyramids!! All joking aside I do wish we knew some of the mysteries that still surround the structure today, but one amazing achievement of mankind at a time I suppose! Time to watch your Byzantine Calendar videos and hope for the publishing of what Im sure is a phenomenal paper youve been rightfully brought in to help on. Anyway, have a great one and once more, thank you so much!
This is the best video series on CZcams
I can see how the tool works.
The basic principles are so simple,
but!
To have the patience, precision and consistency to put the whole thing together with *zero* visible errors.....
Is this guy human?
Amazing work Chris!
Thank you mate!
@@Clickspring are you a mason and where you learn all this awesome knowledge?
These videos are a soothing balm to me in a world that seems full of conflict and anger. Thank-you so much for these videos. You are amazing.
Hello Chris. I have watched several of your videos and am in awe of your attention to detail, not only of the part you are making but also in the way you describe the process. I went through a city and guilds apprenticeship in the early 70s and was taught a lot about using hand tools. It is lovely to watch such skilled hands at work and watch them making some astounding projects. You are a credit to the craft.
Thank you Ian, terrific to have you watching :)
How is the project coming? The work you are doing is monumental, the first person in thousands of years to create such a device. It is an absolute privilege to watch you work. Thank you for sharing this with us.
Going well, following up some research at present - Cheers :)
About to head for bed at 12am,before getting up early for college. Clickspring video notification appears. Priorities changed.
Liam Twentyman you have college on a Sunday?
@@tacticalultimatum If he is on a GMT+12 then it would be turning monday already. He is half a day ahead
@@tacticalultimatum @Wild Weasel is right. Gmt +12 in winter, but as it is summer gmt +13.
@@liamtwentyman7275 New Zealand?
Me too man... Me too...
I didn’t know that Coles olive oil has been around since ancient times.
Cολε'σ
Est. 423BC
@@moth.monster Κολε'ς
Ελαιόλαδο ακριβείας.
Yes it is well documented that the ancients preferred Coles rather than Woolies.
One of the best articulated examples of experimental archaeology... ever.
Probably THE best! At least for mechanics.
Your a master craftsman, we need more people with your talent in this world. Truly remarkable.
Ready for next episode
Possibly one of the most underrated channels on CZcams.
Its like Christmas morning every time i get notified that you have a new video. You are seriously so awesome.
I love your series but I think I am not getting the notifications for your uploads. I assumed you had stopped but I am glad that you have kept going!!!! You are an inspiration to all hand workers!!!
No, this wasn't a YT show, that is a pure science! Well done, thanks!
I think you have the recipe for the perfect videos figured out. The background music, and the voice I find so calm and soothing. The explanations are so easy for someone like me who has no experience with tooling is great. The craftsmanship is exquisite! The mystery of the mechanism and the excitement of figuring stuff that was lost for generations are captivating. Your videos are is day are the closest to perfect I have seen.
Your attention to authenticity and detail is admirable. Your videos are very instructive and relaxing. Thank you for every video. Best regards.
Cheers John :)
It is amazing how very simple tools, provided they are well designed, can do a quite clean and neat job. Congratulations.
As always, a joy to see a Clickspring "spares" video. To be honest, the Antikythera mechanism is not as interesting as the research to tools and techniques. There are few of us who are interested in a "stellar computer" and even less of those who can use it efectively. But to see these simple tools in action is the TRUE knowlodge that should be preserved. For the home-shop, shed and armchair machinists out there.
That stellar computer predates all existing civilizations. This computer and ways it was created is of utmost importance and methods cannot just be separated from the context, the device itself. How mind numb do you have to be to not realize that? European people discovered that shitting where they live is bad like 2000 years later! it is at least 2200 years old, and we were burning people for implying the earth is not in the center of the universe 500 years ago. Do you really want this to be numbed down to "you can take a sharp piece of steel to a bronze and scrape a slot in it" ???
@@NGC1433 those are social, not engineering changes, though it puts it in context. we have computers doing almost all of our stuff and we still go at war and run in the wall with our bad industry practices.
and imo the tools are also the interesting part, with just the calendar you could do some great stuff, but with the tools and some ingenuity, you can build a lot more.
@@NGC1433 Im not dumbing down anything. Everything has its function and place. But in the CONTEXT of Clicksping, the methods and tools outweigh the actual item. Do not forget: there is a reason why design, analysis, tooling and craftsmenship are all SEPARATE disciplines! We have an Anthykera mechanism, but we dont know HOW it was made. Chris gives us an invaluable insight to very simple, yet effective methods. I bet you would find use of some simple tooling method rather than a "stellar computer"
I'm amazed I would never have thought a simple tool like that could have worked so well. Keep up the Great work!!
The more you learn and show, the more amazed I am with the advancement of the ancients.
I positively yearn to see the full conclusion of the Antikythera Mechanism.
Just dropped everything just to watch this!
Same.
The master has given us another video! Today is a good day.
I am so grateful. So so grateful that you're doing this. This is beautiful. Thank.
Those brass shavings were works of art in themselves
@Clickspring
This would have been mastery even if it was only the ingenuity of figuring out the techniques or the exquisite craftsmanship demonstrated. But to do that AS WELL AS planning shooting and editing it to form such an astonishingly perfect "product" is beyond my understanding.
Thanks a million for blessing CZcams with Your fantastic videos.
(I apologise for fawning, but in this case I simply couldn't not help myself)
Thank you mate :)
Effectively this is a precision, manual tank cutter and the idea would still be useful today for cutting large, accurate circular parts from sheet material. This is without doubt one of the best engineering channels on CZcams. I love both the subject and especially the way you present it; few people can convey both the level of enthusiasm and the very clear and extensive descriptions of the various processes. 👍
Wow. Such a handy and elegant tool! Amazing work Chris.
Wow. Everytime I watch your videos I can only articulate wow.
People asked " how did they do it ? ".
You sir showed them how. 👍
so I just started this series, and got caught up. it seems to me that this started as a project and has turned into a journey of exploring ancient technology. love the work chris, keep it up
Since you're new to the project not sure if you've heard, but Chris made some discoveries about the mechanism that were previously unknown to the modern world. History changing discoveries! He has been documenting and researching so that it can be formally submitted for scientific peer review.
Pretty amazing right? With all of that effort, it's had slow progress on the YT video front, but there will be a pretty big reveal when all is prepared. Pretty exciting stuff.
@@shirothehero0609 You put to rest 11 month long wish for a new video, thank you. If Chris is changing the modern understanding of how this device works he can take all the time he wants! I think we all value science more, even though I do miss the videos.
Those spiral chips! So satisfying
The combination of production values and workmanship really just make these a calming joy to watch.
I really dont mind waiting for your vids. But when they come, I almost always order pizza to watch them.
You're not the only one... it's just like watching an episode from a very good tv show.
Definitely! As soon as I see a new Clickspring vid is up, I make sure I have the appropriate nibbles on hand to enjoy with the fantastic quality of the video.
Being a total Clickspring junkie I just stop whatever I'm doing and watch it straight away... but you are right. A bowl of fresh pop corn is the ethical minimum to do the moment justice.
haha I'm guessing others as well are enjoying that special lettuce that makes these videos as well as pizza just that much more enjoyable! (and thankfully, no chance of salmonella poisoning with cannabis- er, I mean special lettuce...)
Am I the only one who watches them over a few times? Just to catch all the details and such...
I want to see more. Best video series on CZcams
My main interest is music and I watch a lot of music videos of great pianists and violinists etc. and greatly admire the enormous skill and delicacy with which they play. The enormous skill and delicacy of your work is as impressive.
Magnificent work! Not just the cutting and the tool, but all the thought put into it!
This series is incredible. Your patience and perseverance is something I could never hope to have. I cant wait to see the mechanism finished, but equally, I hope you never finish. Keep making great videos.
Curious to know if Clicksping is going to get back to the Antikythera mechanism build someday soon. Have been intrigued with this re-creation video series
Yes - I am working on some research, I will be back on the build series once it is published - Cheers :)
@@Clickspring thanks for replying, we'll be waiting
Still waiting
The wait is almost over.
Research done.
Papers published.
Project reactivated.
Excitement intensifies \o/
Your videos are just things of beauty. Your precision and demonstration of the highest forms of machining is just inspirational. Thank you!
Смотрю этого парня уже четвертый год. Все больше и больше удивляюсь приемам работы с металлом!
Catching up with this series, I was wondering how an ancient Greek would go about acquiring all of those discs and wheels of varying sizes, all cut to such precision. Now everything's starting to make sense!
Excellent as always. I about fell off my chair when you picked up the plate and it was , uh, bouncy (?) (12:09) to the drum beat when you dropped it (12:24). Thank you for sharing!
You continue to amaze with each episode. At first I was sad I could not "binge" this series to completeness, but now I am happy I have to wait for each additional episode.
At the risk of being overly dramatic, these videos are like medicine to me.
You gotta make a trip to Crete and press your own olive oil. And get drunk on Tsikoudia lol. You should be sipping Greek wine all day when you work on this thing (for maximum aithenticity).
Very interesting! First we have the approximation of a spiral by offset-centered half-circles. Then we have the humble trammel with a cutting tool instead of a point. Put them together and you have an approximate spiral cutter. Very plausible explanation of how they did it and a very clear explanation of how it worked. I wonder how lathe chucks scrolls were cut in the 1890s. It would be interesting to see if they reinvented the process.
This is beyond belief. Thank you sir, as a mechanical minded human and as a Greek.
What I love about these videos is that you are validating the efforts of ancient craftsmen. I am sick of the absolutley stupid ideas that Aliens made the pyramids because they can't believe that anyone could make them with such skill. "Uuhhh derrr it's to herd to mak cuts that acurat." Give the ancient craftsmen credit, they did have a lot of time on their hands.
"Noo dey harnesd da powa of audio an levitatet giant bloks o ston." It seems like people don't want to accept that older civilizations were very intelligent and highly skilled. So thanks for doing this series.
What an absolute joy to watch. Your videos never cease to amaze.
It's so clever. Wonder what else we have missed or missunderstod from the ancient times, most likely a lot. Awesome video, best there is!
I have reproduced complex geometric wooden inlays with incredibly similar methods. Never once considered they may have been applied to metal. I sincerely applaud you knowledge, effort and presentation. Thank you for sharing. Phill Pittman
Cheers Phil :)
I am absolutely in awe of both you, Mr. Clickspring, and the ancient Greeks. Fantastic, mindblowing, video.
Oooh Clickspring, This Old Tony and Applied Science all on the same day ... oh which one to click first? .... you'll never know. :)
Great video as always!
I'm no expert in ancient Greek pottery, but assuming something similar to a modern pottery wheel was available, I could see that technology being combined with the trammel presented here.
Good point! Yes, their pottery was quite advanced, I'm sure they had pottery wheels. (And Wikipedia suggests their use was already widespread in Middle-Eastern civilizations since much earlier.)
Yes, I can see that it would be much easier to turn the work with your feet while holding the trammel in a fixed position.
You clearly have no idea how important a ball bearing is for a lathe precision and how it revolutionized everything.
And ancient greeks did not have ball bearings. you cannot just magically "combine" things. Read up (or watch youtube) on precision and it's history.
@@NGC1433 Jon and Moon are correct. The old No. 2 Cincinnati milling machines, made from the 40's to as late as the 70's used (tapered) bronze bearings in their universal head attachment/variant. Lovely accurate machines, no problem.
Your content, as usual, a clockwork magnificence of intrigue. Thank you. It is to such simplicity of practical application we might reel back our 21st century minds to understand the solution isn't always found in what we think is undiscovered but what is already with us.
You're just about the coolest person on Earth.
jawdropping. I am so glad I support you on patreon.
Very much appreciated, thank you :)
I forgot I was subbed to this channel and forgot what it was about. So I decided to have a quick look and was so awe struck by the engineering techniques of working out how the Antikythera device could have been made, that I watched the whole thing and remembered why I subbed. Very fascinating and looking forward to the next one.
This stuff needs to be in the Smithsonian museum. What an absolute gem of a channel.
Yes! Another great Clickspring video! #grabs popcorn#
Wow, Thanks Chris. That scorper tool seems to be a perfect possibility and simple but very accurate cuts brings it home. Was amazed at how well the half circle spirals came out so pristine. I also imaging the close running fit, wheels will be easily (OK, moderate diligence) made. ;-P Always a treat and a treasure wrapped in perfect videography!
Thanks PJ :)
Amazing !! Congratulations
Unbelievable the amount of work and precision. This is my 3rd time watching over the last couple of years and I still find it fascinating.
Your clock building series was more of a "tutorial". This series is so scientifically guided I love it!
One thing I like about you is that you try and use lots of tools for the age and make the tools yourself like that stuff on CZcams is rare like very rare in fact I’ve never known any other craftsman to do this
There is a bunch of blacksmiths who do that. Alec Steele is one of them. Seen him here in comments, btw.
NGC1433 I watch Alec Steele and he does make his own tools except for things like bandsaws and power hammers and I said historically accurate not just make his own tools and since he does very little history and does not go out of his way to use other ways to make things that may have been known at the time it was built he doesn’t try to make things historically accurate apart from the final product
@@oscarsimpsonjacka7917 there's primitive technology
It's not just the making of mechanism that i like in your videos, it's the making of tools. I make stuff from time to time, and even if it's for just one piece, making a tool really helps. Also, it takes quite a lot of time, sometimes more than work piece itself. Awesome work you are doing here. Therapeutic to watch.
The beauty of making the tool, is that it gives you great insight to what was happening when the article was being made. Those small eureka moments always put a smile on my face.
Yes I get to wake up too a click spring video! Thanks Chris!
You have some skills, sir. With people like you, we are connected to our ancestors. Stunning, beautiful work.