Why a 3/4 ton Gas Truck OVER a 3/4 ton Diesel Truck Is Now the Way To Go For Most People
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- čas přidán 28. 11. 2022
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Agreed. Diesels are not made to sit in the driveway and occasionally tow or get groceries. They are serious vehicles and require serious maintenance and awareness of def, operating in low temps, etc.
Exactly. More than I want to deal with now that I know what's involved with them.
Yeah if you leave them factory with all the bs on them. After a good surgery it is just as easily maintain as a gas engine. 😉
@@kevovernon that surgery is just added cost
@marky1b I have a diesel 1 ton, a gas 3/4 ton, a diesel SUV and a gas SUV. The diesels cost a little more to operate, for example an oil change is 3 gallons of oil, but that cost is more than made up in mpg compared to the gassers. Operating in low temps basically means plugging it in at night and letting the glow plugs cycle in the morning - not a big deal. I occasionally add anti-gel to the fuel tank, but I add fuel treatment to my gas vehicles in the winter anyway. My diesel Excursion will sit for weeks before it gets driven. It starts and runs just fine. I’ve had my 3/4 ton truck since ‘04 and my Excursion since ‘06. The cost of ownership has been just a little more for the diesel, but not by a significant amount.
There’s truth in this video, in that if you will tow infrequently and smaller weight, then get a gas truck. My gas truck will tow my skid steer, but starting, getting up to speed and stopping take a long time. My Excursion - think SUV built on a 3/4 ton truck frame - will tow the skid steer with zero problems.
I’ve had diesel since my 85 6.2 GMC Jimmy, I also had a 2001 v10 F350 wicked gas pig and 2013 F350 powerstroke now I just got a 2023 F350 powerstroke and I barely used any of them for towing I just like them and drive them like I would any vehicle including sitting for long periods and never had any problems with my 6.7. I do change my own oil and fuel filters. I’m also an older guy so this latest Lariat Ultimate CC should be my last till I checkout. Living the dream.😊
I have 2 ram 3500s with hemis. One is a 2006 dually with the 5.7 hemi. The other is a 2021 with the 6.4 hemi. I use them both for work to pull my dump trailer and landscaping trailer daily. Gas pulls just fine and the difference between mgps the 6.7 Cummins gets is marginally, and the time you add in an extra $2 per gallon more for diesel, DEF, fuel filters, etc., you’ll never make the money back.
100% agree
What kind of fuel mileage do you get with both trailers?
Most concise and realistic video on the topic! Great job!
Thank you so very much for this conversation. I’ve owned a dually diesel in the past and was literally thinking about buying another one but this time around it doesn’t make as much sense for me. You asked and answered some of my “what if” questions that I’ve been asking myself. Thank You ….
Glad it was able to bring value!
Great video. I have owned my 2500 HEMI Ram for 19.5 years. As I refueled it last week I looked at the price of Diesel. It was ~$2 a gallon more than mid grade gas. I told my wife that I'm so glad I didn't buy a Diesel. My gasser will haul 3,330 lbs. and tow 11,300 lbs. Anything more than that, I would go to a 4500. You did leave out one reason for Gas over Diesel, that sweet tune coming out the twin pipes!
Spot on! It's crazy the difference between the two fuel prices. And absolutely, the beautiful sound coming out of those pipes is a definite winner!
Hundred percent agree. I moved from a power stroke diesel to the 6.2 L gas in my F250 crew cab works like a charm for what I do.
Great Video!! I traded up from a half ton to 2020 F250 diesel about a year ago. I don’t use it for work, but I do tow an Outback 291 UBH weighing ~7K. I must admit that when I traded up, I didn’t fully understand the payload trade-off between gas/diesel, but I don’t regret my purchase and really enjoy having a diesel. The diesel really shows off when towing in the mountains. Still a lot of great points made in this video.
There is nothing like the performance of the diesel. I understand where you are coming from.
Well-said. I am just addicted to hauling my good-sized RV up and down any hill, and I don't dare doing that in a gas truck.
Fair enough! As long as you're happy with your setup, that's the only real important thing
I had a 1999 Dodge 2500 diesel 4x4, most of it's mileage with me owning was towing, traded at 251k miles still running like a champ. Remained stock and well maintained, never had any engine, trans or drive train problems. Then a 2005 Dodge 3500 dually with HO 5.9 diesel 4x4, most of it's mileage with me owning was towing, traded at 307k miles still running like a champ. Remained stock and well maintained, never had any engine, trans or drive train problems. Both trucks towed loaded horse trailers all over NC, TN and VA mountains on a regular basis. Both trucks came with 100k mile drive train warranty. My current 2018 Ram 3500 Limited dually crew cab, LB with aisin trans is pretty much just a daily driver, it has 70k bumper-to-bumper and 100k drive train warranty. But when I hook up the gooseneck trailer and load the skid steer with attachments, it's like a Sunday drive for that truck. When I tow my 24' bay boat with hard T-top (significant wind resistance) from NC coast to the Florida Keys twice a year, literally have to keep in mind I am towing because I can't feel it behind the Ram. Even when my wife has driven some on our Florida trips, the only negative she had was "I don't like towing the boat, I forget I have a trailer because I can't feel it behind the truck".
I trade my SUV that I use as my business vehicle every 3 years or so, if I traded my truck every 2-3 years (and didn't need to tow a skid steer or cab tractor on occasion), I would try a 3/4 ton gasser. But being a person that tends to keep a truck well over 100k miles, the Cummins just makes sense for myself.
Price was my "realistic reason". I still run my 99 Cummins truck hauling and towing. Pre-DEF and paid $6000 for it 10 years ago. Only thing done was put injector pump in 2 years ago (computer crapped out). I cannot afford a new truck gas or diesel. If we ever get energy independent again it will be better.
I went with the 2022 Chevy 2500 gasser for the same reasons you pointed out. I couldn't make it work on paper cost wise, and secondly I really didn't need it. That gasser is amazing, I absolutely love it!! I had the 6.4L engine in a 2016 Charger SRT that I owned. That engine is a beast!! Enjoy.
Perfectly said my friend!
How's that 6.6? I'm looking at another 2500hd but just curious of you opinion.
Oh man, you just saved me a ton, thank you!
Just Bought my 2021 Ram 2500 6.4 Hemi and I Love it
Thank you for this video. Sick truck BTW
Great content! I traded a 2015 Ram 2500 Bighorn diesel for a 2018 Ram Ram 2500 6.4L Hemi Tradesman to haul a slide in truck camper that weighs 2100 Lbs empty. my diesel had a 2300lb payload vs my current 2018 Hemi that has 3163 lbs payload. With my svelte 6'3" and 290lb self included and a dirty pair of underwear I would have been overweight in the diesel. In the Hemi I have 700 Lbs of payload to "freight out" my camper in grub, gas, gear and water to include the wife and the 88 lbs of German Shepherd. LOL! I added the Timbren Bump Stops in the rear and TorkLift frame tie downs too. They all really make the loading and carrying of the camper a real dream. Camper is a Palomino Backpack HS-6601. Match the truck to ones needs vs ego! Spot on!
In the 10,000 to 17,000 towing, I chose crappy Hemi MPG over Diesel issues. When I unhook, I am back to reliable and reality. 2022/6.4/3.73.
I just bought a Ram 2500 Hemi for the exact same reasons. Subscribed
I appreciate you!
I’m 54 years old and have owned gas and diesel trucks. I’m on my second power stroke, but I absolutely agree with every word you said!! If you don’t need a diesel, don’t buy one. If you don’t need it but really want one then go ahead but be prepared to open that wallet when you need repairs!! I’m considering going back to gas on my next truck for cost and reliability. I love my current diesel but I nicknamed the truck problem child for a reason. A gas truck will be less money to run for the average truck owner without a doubt. But on the other hand, the power of a diesel can be addicting!! Great points to consider from this video if your in the market for a truck!! Wonderful video!!
True words on all accounts. That diesel power is something different for sure!
Very addictive. For my needs. All I need is a halfton gas truck. Just because I love diesel so much. I want the halfton diesel. Or a 3/4 ton diesel. Just for those few weekends I want to haul an atv in the bed and pull a camper haha.
Power of a diesel is addictive? The 6.2 Silverado has a faster 0-60 time by 1 second over a diesel. I would say that can be pretty addictive too no?
This is the exact reasons I built and waited 6-7 months for my 3500 dually. I’m new to trucks but didn’t want to start off backwards! Rwd 3500 gas 4.10 dually tradesman! I feel the wait this year was worth my patience’s and investment. Thanks for the video, drive safely everyone!
Your payload has to be over 6,500 pounds! I have never seen a 3500 dually with a hemi before. Pretty neat. Shout out to you for understanding your specific needs of the truck!
I actually just looked it up and your truck and trim has a payload of over 7,600lbs! That's insane! Really cool my friend
Yea I was shocked too once I started my research, and the tow capacity as well. Very happy I didn’t rush my build
Love the information, thank you sir!
I agree with everything you said. I think gas HD trucks are underrated. For long trips, though, I do appreciate the longer range of a diesel and the ease of refueling in the truck lanes.
The Ram exhaust brake is fantastic, too. Unmatched control when towing a big travel trailer.
I agree and yes the exhaust brake is pretty awesome for sure. HD gas trucks are definitely underrated
Your video is spot on. I have the same 2500 with the 6.4. Got it in 2017 and have over 100K now. No problems, plenty of power. Synthetic oil changes and call it a day. I get it, diesels are great for heavy regular towing but beyond that, no thanks. Def fluid, egr problems, filters, separators. Friends with newer ford diesels have dropped a lot of cash on egr, fuel pressure, pumps, etc. I have done brakes, plugs, fluids and that is it.
Thats great info to know. I haven't crossed 30k miles yet but so far so good! Thanks for adding value!
Great video, I have a '10 Duramax with 300k miles and debating on going gas over diesel as a replacement.
Always enjoy your videos, I bought my RAM 2500 Hemi. Hoping one day to get a nice RV Tailor. And why did i get the gas engine, by watching your vid's and learning that with a Hemi, i get a thousand pounds more of towing power..... Keep up the great vids...
I appreciate that. I'm really glad the videos helped!
Great video, I appreciate the information. I’m a new truck buyer and was trying to learn the cost versus benefit of a gas versus a diesel, and you answer the questions for me. I will definitely be getting a gas. Thanks so much!
You're welcome! Glad it helped!
every time I get motivated to move on a diesel, which I don't need but want, I watch your video to bring me back to reality.
@@caldoito 😂 I understand the struggle!
Im offended LOL! U have very valid points in this video bro and i like the fresh intro. I think a better conversation would be when is it time for the everyday truck driver to consider moving from a nice half ton to a gas 3/4 ton truck. I know uve been over it in earlier videos when you switched but i think you should revisit that topic for the ppl in the back. Thanks for another video
Nooooooooooo LOL!!! It's all from a helpful place I promise. That's a great idea for a video. I think I'm going to work on that one soon. I appreciate you bro!
Ditto here, I'm like 😢😵💫 here in the back row ... With a goal of (mostly) full time RVing by myself, which will mean being able to unhook from an RV that is short enough to get in most spots and maybe with adding a low profile bed topper for storage and trying to decide on whether to trade in my 2014 Ram 4x4 1500 v8 Hemi crew cab with regular bed in on a few years younger 2500 Ram 4x4 crew cab....gas or diesel. The plan will be relocating from Nrth CenFL to NE TN legally but travel as much as I can, while I can. Freezing weather durability, snow and ice roads, steep up\down grades while pulling small (25+-lba) trailer will be my main concerns. No dually for this lady please, already pain in butt running errands, ha. P.s. note that I said for as long as I can because I know eventually at late 50's now I don't know how long I can physically RV with chronic health issues but will as long as I can afford and manage.
Agree completely. We don't tow anything larger than a small utility trailer with our 2022 RAM 2500 4x4 Hemi Laramie. We have taken 3 road trips and they all went well.
Great video. I have had 1/2 ton trucks my whole life. Just recently ordered a new 2024 gmc 2500 sle gasser. I need payload. I work construction, but I don't tow much. I do use payload every week, and sometimes I need to use 2 trips or delivery. I should be good with the 2500. I was told payload for what I ordered was 3500lbs...
That's awesome payload for a 3/4 ton truck
Great job. Great valid points. Owned 8 diesels. Switched to gmc gas. I love it so far. Really surprised in the torque it has. Only pulling 28k so I couldn't see the added expenses.
I have 2003 duramax 3500 and 2019 ram gas 6.4 hemi megacab and they're both amazing. That 6.4 hemi is a beast.
You've got the best of both worlds!
Very compelling points.
I agree with you about the gas instead of a diesel, for someone like me who would tow on the weekends be it a boat, towing toys or cars, daily driving, etc. now if I was towing anything more than that ya I’d get a diesel but 9 times out of 10 I wouldn’t be. It would be nice to just have a HD chassis for the stability, comfort while towing, not have to question if I could do it or not vs with a half ton. Not to mention without having to worry about maintenance & repairs, having to deal with more complicated emissions equipment, & overall lower fuel costs too.
Depends on need. I agree with some of your points, but depends on weight & distances one tows. We've been towing our new rig using a 1/2T Gas 2019 4x4 RAM 1500, and although it towed our 8900# Grand Design ok, we simply could not get any decent fuel range! Being gas + 1/2T, no tank swap-out available (I called several companies only to get, sorry-no-can-do). In August, before a 7800-mi big-loop trip out west & down to SW from FL, we purchased a 2024 GMC 2500 4x4 diesel. Truth be told, could not be happier! Heavy winds didn't bother us (longer wheelbase, heavier engine, better 12-ply tires) , steep down grades (and upgrades) were easily handled (I love diesel braking). Yes, fuel mileage (mpg) abysmal versus my 2002 GMC Duramax for sure, since the big 3 got into a torque/HP war (what a waste!). But in the end for us, the range, pulling ability, & comfort offsets extra costs. Besides, RVing is a "luxury thing", as boats & planes are. Not an economic choice. ;)
I thought I wanted a Cummins but I also wanted a Power Wagon witch only comes with a 6.4 hemi , I got a 2022 power wagon and I do not regret anything, I am extremely happy with what I got .
Love my 6.6 gasser Chevy! Lots of power, cheaper fuel and maintenance, and it's not in the shop every other week with broken emissions equipment! Traded a diesel for it and I have no regrets. Most of the diesel guys I know only have them to show off or whatever anyways!
Great video bud, you hit it spot on! I'm one of those that got the diesel even though I don't neec it. I do enjoy the power and better mpg over gas though.
Thank you! I definitely get it. Its yours so enjoy it my friend.
I agree with most everything you said here and we've owned a number of Rams over the years. Diesel's do have a lot of maintenance overhead that too many folks just don't factor in as mentioned and if you live in the city or the burbs as well as daily drive the truck gas will usually be the clear winner. One area where a 3/4 ton diesel does just beat gas is where you're doing a lot of highway driving as compared to shorter trips commuting in the city or the burbs (I live in a more rural part of Texas so 2500 CTD's just make more sense than a max payload/towing optioned half-ton if you're comparing payload numbers). While my CTD is my "daily driver" it doesn't really get short tripped often or at all, that's what stealing the wife's AWD CUV is for. I keep a battery maintainer on it, I keep my fuel treated, and I will drain the DEF tank if needed to refresh it. All minor annoyances to be able to hop in a truck that will let me make a long trip across the state with minimal refueling the several times a year that I need to. The same could be said towing something that might drag me down to 12MPG, but would've dragged down on the Hemi's we've had to 6MPG or worse. If I still lived in the city I would have a max payload/towing optioned 1500 5.7 CC or a 2500 6.4 Mega, but being in a more rural part of the state my 2500 6.7 CC is the perfect balance for what we need. If I needed to regularly tow heavier I'd be in a 3500, but the 2500 Ram's just ride so much better after you do a bit of suspension work.
Fair assessment. I have no disagreement with this
7:22 this, all this. 8/10 Cummins are sitting in the Publix parking lot not pulling anything, complaining about their DPF lol.
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I love my old gas truck I got a 8.1 Chevy 3/4 ton with the Allison transmission gas suck put it pulls awesome
I had an 8.1 with a 6-speed manual and it pulled my 37-foot 5th wheel RV like a freight train, but fuel consumption could be eye-popping...
Thanks. You sold me on a gasser. I really wanted a diesel but am a stop and go driver. Living in Chicago it isn't practical. I would need the diesel power rarely. I know better to have it and not need it but the maintenance would kill me.
Great videa. Im in NC too and debating gas vs diesel
Imo if you plan to get a 5th wheel camper and you want a lot of bells and whistles on your truck a diesel 3/4 ton is not the truck a 1 ton diesel is where you want to be in a diesel. I like you love my bed and plan to keep using travel trailers (bumper pull) so the f250 diesel is a great fit with King Ranch package. I do love all trucks though and there are many options to fit anyone's needs! Shop for your needs and you'll be happy! Again great video and love your content!
Wow good vid... Im less than an average truck user lol. But just like you i wanted to start RVing with the family and dont know anything about trucks. All i knew was Diesel is power u need... But this video and the comments made me alittle more confident into looking at stronger gasser trucks.
Absolutely! Diesel will give you great power. Gas will give you more than enough for what you need. Glad it helped!
Just like a minivan makes more sense than a large suv with similar space but sometimes double in price! For me it’s practicality over pride every time great video 👍
Thank you
"For me it’s practicality over pride every time great video" Me, for my whole life...until I retired finally had some money and could afford more. I was always on the edge of what I could afford and it haunted me when I got my last new 1500 which was inadequate (although within specs) for the new bigger trailer... So, I had to get a 2500 gasser, started looking at Big Horns as they were good enough... Ended up with a Laramie which is better. Now, I'm doomed. I feel guilty sometimes...but not too often.
Man diesel is just so much more fun! Lol 🎉🎉🎉 love the video and I do agree as a powerstroke owner 😅
1000% agree. They are a blast!
Bought a new F250 with the 7.3 Godzilla. Such a beast!
@@405bassin7 congrats!
I hear you. But I have to carry a gas can when pulling a 5th wheel. None of the pull through pumps have a gas pump anymore.
I totally agree with you there... if you really want/need a diesel then step up to a 1-ton truck. In a three-quarter ton stick with a gas because in a three-quarter ton you lose so much payload with the diesel that most of the time you're down into the half-ton Payload territory.
100%
We live in the Western USA. Fuel economy matters for cruising range. We have 2 Ram diesel 4wd pickups. A 2016 1500 and a 2018 2500. We run Rotella T6 5w40 motor oil in both trucks. The 1500 is used for long distance commuting by me. And is the best vehicle in our fleet for snow and ice driving! The 2500 is used to haul our 4wheel popup camper. The payload could be better on both pickups, but the towing capability is where both trucks shine. The Cummins is such a beast. But the 4 cylinder B series engine would be just fine, with 4.10 ratio and the ZF 8-speed transmission.
I got my wife a '23 Jeep JLU for grocery getting and to tow behind our Ram 2500, for side trips while camping.
We did visit my brother in Waynesville, N C, in both gas and diesel pickups. The engine braking options and the tow/haul mode with a diesel. Make the diesel a more comfortable vehicle to drive.
Solid gold 100%.
I totally agree with what you’ve said. My gasser tows my trailers very well, no complaints. If they’d just give me a bigger gas tank, I’d be totally content.
Only reason I might get diesel, is we might decide to travel full time, and range may be an issue.
I definitely get wanting a bigger gas tank. One option that may be less expensive than purchasing another truck may be to get a custom gas tank that can still fit under the truck.
That's why I got the long bed on
my 2020 2500 6.4. The extra room in the bed comes in handy and the 50gal tank sure is nice.
Just need to upgrade to a Long Bed with the 48 gallon tank next time
@@noosh8316 yeah I definitely should’ve done that in first place
I have a one ton gas and love it pulls anything I want to
You are right when I went after my up grade truck i did the math too my 2500 6.4 get put in the garage after camping season is over so yes a diesel engine need to be worked consistently believe it or not if it sit you going to have some problems cause they are made to work
Absolutely
All the modern diesels are fundamentally excellent engines - head and shoulders above the gas engines - their main issue is not the engines themselves but the unreliable emissions equipment. Many shops have stories about diesels with far beyond 1million miles of heavy service on them - try that with a gas engine. Your not going to tow ~20k lbs day in day out with a gasser for starters and if you do its not long for this world. If your just commuting and occasionally towing - the gasser is a great option. Again the problem with modern diesels isn't the engines themselves but the emissions equipment that is installed on them.
I am an average truck owner with a 2500 Diesel and live in Colorado. Pulling a 10,000lb travel trailer in the Rocky Mountains 8-10 times a summer is worth it for me. No comparison when pulling in the Mountains. With that said, if I didn't have the travel trailer, I would have a gas truck.
Agreed. You situation makes more sense with the terrain you are in and how much you use it. I learned that lesson going across the rockies in my gas truck with my trailer. It made it but the diesel would have been preferable for sure. I'd say you may be a little more than the average user lol. I appreciate your comment and adding value!
@@liveyourfree you got a video of you towing in Colorado?
@Evan Y yes look at the video where it asks if a 3/4ton truck is better than a half ton. I actually video driving the Ike gauntlet
Diesel is like crack. Once you take that first hit…
😂 fair enough
Thanks
I appreciate your opinion and I can definitely understand it. But after owning a 2017 Hemi 2500 long bed and getting 10-11 MPG and then going to a diesel and getting 18-20 it’s a no brainer. I also tow a gooseneck trailer 90% percent of the time so I prefer the power. But operating in cold weather (I’m from Idaho) I can definitely agree a gas is better. I think a lot of people treat a diesel truck like a status symbol rather than a work truck nowadays so I will agree, get the gas unless you’re actually working it.
I have to ask. Since you have a 5th gen hemi in the 2500, what kind of fuel economy do you get? I have a very short drive to work but I tow a travel trailer frequently so that's where my questions comes from.
Agreed with your points and was the logic behind my purchase of a 2021 2500 6.4. My only regret is I should have just went with the 3500 for the nearly 4,000lbs of payload. Since getting the truck I purchased a 10,000lb 5th wheel. I'm still within the payload of the 2500 but getting close to the edge fully loaded.
I completely get that.
Don't know what you are missing if you don't own a diesel. Sorry but unquestionable it's the truth. Won't go back to gas unless our president forces me to.
@@kennethbell326 6.4 does everything I need it to do. 23 states visited (towing) with zero issues and I never been in a situation where I needed my power / torque or engine braking. I am sure the diesel does the job easier but I am not willing to pay the upfront cost, maintenence, or deal with emissions issues (potentially).
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Just bought a Super Duty with 6.8 gas; didn’t plan on it but due to what was available with what I wanted I came home with a F350. Payload of 4553 . Sits nice too. Barely any $ difference.
Happy with my 6.0 2500!
All I hear is that 8 speed searching constantly when you were towing the trailer lol
Is made to search more. Just the design of the engine. It pulls like a champ though!
I have a 32’ travel trailer and I’d rather have the diesel
They all don’t breakdown like many think
Maintenance is the key just pay attention
I have a 32’ travel trailer and I’d rather have the diesel
They all don’t breakdown like many think
Maintenance is the key just pay attention plus gas and diesel are the same price right now and even cheaper than premium
I recently traded in my 22' 3500 Limited Cummins for a 22' Laramie 2500 6.4 Hemi w/4.10s. I like the performance, but miss the Limited interior.
As a life long diesel owner, I 100% agree. Diesel is dead for now anyways. have a RAM 6.4 and just ordered a GMC 3500 srw gas.
For the longest time my dad a 2010 ram 2500 with the 5.7 hemi, and anything we wanted it to, it would do. From hauling a skid steer to hauling loads of gravel to hauling our 50 foot travel trailer, It would do all. Sounded great when it had an exhaust leak but that's off topic lol. Unfortunately, after 11 years of hard work and daily driving, the engine gave up the ghost. So my sad bought a used 2010 gmc sierra 2500 with the 6.0 vortec in it, which was actually used for daily hauling. The guy who sold it to my dad was a construction worker, And wanted to avoid the flaws of a Diesel engine, so instead of getting a Duramax, He bought the vortec, and tuned it with a cold air intake, cat delete, and much more. He even tuned the suspension with air brakes and some other goodies. So pulling our now 37 foot travel trailer (We got a new one a few years before because it was a newer), the camper just travels very smoothly down the road and the motor doesn't even care there's a really heavy load behind the truck lol
Love it!
My 05 dodge 2500 cummins 4x4 long bed with a 1700 pound pop up camper on it gets 18 mpg. Pre egr with 35" tires and does unreal offroad. Just got back from a month in baja, all the trucks with gas were getting way worse gas mpg.
I agree with you. If your truck is a daily driver, starting and stopping every ten miles to get to work and back, and maybe even the occasional tow, then gas is a better option. I own a 3/4 ton diesel truck, but I regularly tow heavy trailers over long distances.
💯 agree. Diesel all day everyday for the scenario you use it with.
This may have already been addressed, but what about full time RVing? 14k lb 5th wheel. Traveling throughout the entire country, moving approximately every two weeks, maybe a little less frequent in the winter.
Sadly when you go past 27ft TT
and add your TV most gas stations can be a pain to fill up. But with a diesel you get to fill up in the diesel section with the big rigs and with that discount fuel card on diesel that’s more of a saving. Now at some point back a year or more Diesel fuel $ was not allowing you to break even.. But today we’re back to diesel being lower in price then premium gas.
My down time is camping and going places and want my towing and fueling to be as comfortable as possible. I appreciate the tow experience of the turbo on the climbs. Now my TT is only 26.1 ft Grand Design; And I tow with a half ton 2.7 turbo. Love the tow experience, better my V8 from the past. Was never so smooth or worse mpg’s. Sadly they don’t make a 3/4 ton in a Gas turbo “ Why” ? Even as you drive and tow I can hear your rig dropping gears to get the torque it needs to get over small climbs.. where a turbo wouldn’t fuss over simple climbs. Oh and I’m loving the 10 speed transmission. I have towed with every truck out there due to my company. For me Turbo is king and if I leave the 1/2 ton to 3/4 it would need to be diesel due to the Turbo & 10 speed and that would be Chevy, GMC or Ford. RAM is still stuck dates on 8 speed trans.
A 3500 hemi is a Unicorn! ❤ Never pass it up.
I'm just torn between RAM and Chevy Gasser. I have an 05 Duramax and I feel ya with the cold being from N. Dakota.
I've heard good about both. I think going gas is the best way regardless of brand. Especially being from ND. You all have a next level of cold!
Enjoyed your perspective. Agree about 3/4-ton diesels as the MUCH heavier diesel engine siphons too much of the payload. However, you barely touched on what I think is THE primary reason many owners love diesel: the sheer durability of well-maintained diesels. I believe the diesel will last twice as many miles as the gasser. Btw, I also prefer the 1-ton because I believe that much beefier suspension also translates into superior durability. Even if I'm NOT towing 14,000 plus. Would love to hear a well-researched presentation of just how much more (or not?) 1-ton diesel trucks are cf gas trucks .
Thanks for watching. I think the durability argument is not as strong as it once was with the emissions changes. There are plenty of examples available already to support that. I covered the sheer power difference between the two so thats been addressed as well. The only logical route to go with a diesel for most people would be a 1 ton diesel so you will have the power with the necessary payload.
@@liveyourfree Exactly the Diesel engine option really makes little sense in the 3/4 ton truck with the massive payload hit. We recently purchased a RAM 2500 with the 6.4 hemi with 4.10 gears. We absolutely love our truck. We use it to tow our Imagine 2400BH. We came from a large SUV that we were using to tow it because we honestly didn't expect to travel more than about 200 miles close to home. We bought the 3/4 ton truck because a 1/2 ton had really no advantage over our full size SUV in terms of payload, and we wanted the stability of the 3/4 ton more than anything else. The 6.4 Hemi gas tows our trailer like a freight train, people get too hung up on thinking the only thing you tow with a 3/4 ton truck is 15k plus and need a diesel. For the average joe... not so.
Found you and your video on the day that I started leaning toward investigating purchasing a 3/4 ton gas or versus where I was at for the last couple months stuck mentally on getting a 1 ton diesel dually then deciding it was enough for me to just get the 3/4 ton diesel SRW... And now it's coming full circle to where I believe what you are saying and I do think I was getting caught back up in the hype of having the most capability available to me just in case instead of making the smartest decision for my actual needs.
Question for you... You said you used to haul a smaller bumper pull behind your 3/4 ton gas or. What year make model and what was the weight of the bumper pull and average fuel economy when you were towing it an hour or two? I will be pulling a 16-ft 4400 lb bumper pull with a 1300 lb Waverunner triple towed behind it. 3/4 ton gas or seems like the mule for my lightweight job
Sorry for the delayed response. I had a 32ft travel trailer that was about 7500lbs loaded. I got about 8 to 9 mpg on both the half ton and the 3/4 ton truck
Thanks for that info! What 3/4 ton gasser would you recommend for snow plowing? Preferably used. I have about a 2 mile long driveway plus easement on my property and will have to clear in winter. Or anything to stay away from?
If you are using it primarily for plowing and clearing land in the Winterize, I would go the tradesman route. I say that because it will give you the most payload and capability to haul/tow the most weight. There won't be any bells and whistles on it at that trim level but you will have a really capable truck. I hope this helps!
I needed a 2500+ for my side hustle (junk removal). Have about 3jobs a month. Hauling weight from 3000lbs to 8000lbs. My old Colorado was not cutting it. I got a 6.6 Silverado gasser. Pulls way better and smoother than an old diesel. I don’t need a diesel. If I would haul 24/7 I’d get a diesel. Don’t need one at the moment
What about a used 2016 RAM 2500 Outdoorsman 6.4l with 190,000 miles on it??? Truck is in MINT cond but im hesitating bc milage is so high. thnx for any input.
Your comments are really centered around the RAM 2500 truck, and yes, gas is better in that truck because the diesel option destroys the payload. My 2021 2500 GMC Diesel has a payload of 3282 lbs which is great. Similarly equipped RAM 2500 would be 2000 lbs. Gas vs Diesel, your video pretty much explains why Diesel at the end when you were hauling your trailer, your truck was downshifting, doing everything it could to stay in the power band at higher RPMs. Diesel, is torque, its power is generated at lower RPMs. When we pull our 11,500 travel trailer that has a hitch weight 0f 1700 lbs with our Diesel, it cruises at 1800 rpms at 70 mph and pretty much stays there. I had a Gas and switched to Diesel and I must say, that after long days of towing, I am now much more relaxed not having to listen to engine screaming a 3000 rpm to get up a hill. So in the broad scope, gas is better, but if you tow any weight, for any distance, even recreationally, Diesel does it better, in the right truck. First time I watched your video, good content, but look outside RAM world when it comes to 2500 trucks.
I hear where you're coming from and don't necessarily disagree with your perspective. I agree RAM is not known for good payload and can agree with you that the payload is where RAM struggles however; in all honesty, I respectfully think you may be stretching the payload number of your GMC 2500. I suspect you meant to type 3500. I have looked at the other brands and their payloads are often times better than RAM but 1200lbs better is more in the range of a 1 ton SRW truck in any brand. No 3/4 ton diesel truck is going to have a payload of 3200 lbs.
@@liveyourfree if I could post a picture of the door jamb sticker i would. But I did miss it by a little, it is 3189 lbs. The difference is the GVWR, RAM is at 10000lbs for their 3/4 ton, where GM is at 11,350 lbs for their 3/4 ton, and for 2024, GM raised their 3/4 ton rating again to 12,100 lbs. You can check the numbers on GMs website to confirm.
This is exactly what I'm seeing with ram 3/4 tons... The hemi gives you more payload than it's cumins alternative. 2941 payload vs like 2000 with diesel. However in the 2024 chevy 2500 HD the diesel in the LT is 3200 to 3500 payload depending on options... And can be optioned with the 3500 HD / 1 ton frame and leafs.... Giving more gvwr and payload (11350 vs 11750 gvwr).
All great points. Same reason I went with the big Hemi in my 2500 MegaCab, Now what is really interesting is that per the new 2023 buying guides, as posted on the Ram HD forum, Ram is no longer offering the 6.4 Hemi on the Limited and Longhorn trim levels for the HD's. That just makes no sense at all. Wondering if you have heard anything on this?
Wow. That really doesn't make any sense. Take away the lightest engine from the heaviest trim. That is really interesting and would push me over to Ford if I was looking to trade out. Thanks for sharing that.
John That’s because Ram is replacing the HEMI with the 3L twin turbo Inline 6 Gas motor from the Wagoneer for 2024.
@@noosh8316 actually no. The 6.4 Hemi in the trucks is not the same as the 6.4 in the Dodges and Jeeps. Those are configured for acceleration. The truck Hemi is set up for the durability needed for long distance towing. The Hurricane will probably replace the 5.7 Hemi in the 1500. Ram still uses the 6.4 Hemi as the standard engine in all trim levels of the HD's except the Limited and Longhorn trims. And that is what makes no sense.
@@johnnicpon5783 I saw an article where Cummins may be the source for Ram on a 6.7L Turbo "Gas engine" using many of the 6.7L diesel engine components starting in 2023 or 2024. The 6.4L Hemi might be "Sun Downed" sadly. ( I own one in my 2018 Tradesman 2500 and love it).
Glad I didn’t decide to trade in my 2014 mega cab limited 6.4, till the wheels fall off it is
Diesel costs less than regular gas right now where I am in sacramento
The difference in interest rates alone along with the 10K difference in price between a diesel and a Hemi will literally make a 300 buck payment difference since rates are now in the high sixes and 7's to 8% for loans...
I have a 2020 2500 6.4 Tradesman. I love it.. I have had this same discussion or argument with friends of mine that for some reason think that diesel trucks hads more testosterone to them. LOL
I decided that before this intentional gas price hike, after tons of research the 3500 Limited, Mega Cab with the 6.4 Hemi and Carli suspension upgrade won me over... Thanks ! For all your help.
Agreed on all accounts. Especially the intentional part. That's a good setup you have!
If you purchase the right truck the 1st time you will not take a loss on the trade in in my opinion but you have to buy for all the toys you want in the future as well it's very expensive and you didn't say anything about the Def fluid great video and topic 👍🏽👍🏽
I hear you. I definitely agree with the need to make sure yoybget the right truck on the first go around for all your toys. I mentioned DEF briefly closer to the end but didn't go into great detail on it. I appreciate you watching for sure.
My 2019 Ram 2500 gas with 4.10 rear end and eight speed trans pulls my mid size horse trailer very well. Unless you are pulling heavy you don't need the diesel. The new large gas engines in all three brands work very well for mid level towing. The extra cost of a diesel engine, maintenance and def issues don't add up for the average guy or gal.
Agreed
Love your videos, but how did you find a 2500 Limited Hemi? I just searched nationwide and found a grand total of…1…in Az. The Limited 2500’s are all diesels. It sucks. (Update): apparently the Hemi is no longer an option for the Limited 2500.
Spot on my F250 gas has more payload capacity. I pull a trailer trailer and haul a golf cart in my bed at the same time. If I had a diesel truck I could not do it without facing liability issues if in a wreck.
For instance my transmission went out at 100k a new transmission and torque converter was 14k the vgt exhaust brake turbo quit working at 80 k a replacement turbo was 3k the upgraded ball joints are 1k per set a full brake job rotors pads etc 1k injectors 4800 for 6 you need to factor all this in when you are looking at a truck with all the emissions crap that’s on a diesel truck just shortens the life of everything plus 200-250 week in fuel 4.25 gal 50 gal tank at 12 mpg and if you’re towing something heavy 7 mpg
I’m in the market, how many miles do you have now / have you had any issues?
100 percent right
I need a diesel for its towing capacity 470 horsepower 975 foot pounds of tork to move my home with a large travel trailer and the bed is open for split tank fuel generator and other tool storage the payload is much larger I feel that makes for safer towing am I wrong?
2015 f250 6.2 does everything I want.
There you go my friend!
I'm planning to get a 3/4 ton truck to haul a slide-in camper and fuel economy is the main reason I'm considering a diesel. I will be traveling A LOT when I retire, probably over 20,000 miles per year, and a 5-7 MPG advantage is hard to ignore. I'll be carrying about 3000 pounds total. On the other hand, just about every diesel owner I know complains about high maint cost and poor reliability, which I absolutely do not want to deal with. It's a tough decision.
I definitely get it! Let me know which way you go!
Have you looked at Ford's 7.3 gas? Everywhere I look people absolutely love it for towing 10,000 to 15,000 lbs.
@@desmt4696 was looking at it this week. Building different potential options for the future.
@@desmt4696 I wont be towing, so that's not a consideration for me. For hauling a truck bed camper, suspension is actually a more important factor than the engine. However, my main consideration is fuel economy and the 7.3 is probably the most thirsty engine in the HD truck segment.
@D LG When one considers the power it has and the long-term dependability designed into it, it seems to get decent mileage. However, it may not be the best for your application.
Gas will work just fine towing the small trailers and boat you have to the lake and back, but there is absolutely no comparison in towing comfort when pulling 14K pounds or higher especially over longer distances. Diesel isn't the cheaper option it just comes down to what you need the truck to do and your desired level of comfort.
The whole cold climate thing is blown way out of proportion too. I had a Cummins in Alaska for 3 years that never had a single problem starting up even at -20 degrees.
I’d rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it 😊
I’d be pretty worried about idling that hemi to much…
He speaking facts
So u finally upgraded, i just watched your towing a 5th wheel with a 1500.
I'm considering going to the 3/4 ton gas for 2 reasons.
First, I can pull my travel trailer just fine with my 1/2 ton, but I need more payload.
Second, the diesel wouldn't make for an economical daily driver, since it wouldn't get up to proper operating temp on simple errands.
Makes sense