10 Reasons Why We We Went From A Diesel To A Gas Truck
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Recently we purchased a 2019 Chevy Silverado 2500HD with the 6.0L Vortex V8 gas engine. Our previous truck was a 2005 Dodge Ram 3500 with the 5.9L Cummins Turbo Diesel. Most people do the opposite switch that we did. They generally go from a gas engine truck to a diesel. Well, in this case we went from a diesel to a gas truck. In this video I give you 10 reason why we made the switch. Thanks for watching!
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Over the past 23 years I was a diesel guy. Just bought a new 7.3 Godzilla gasser and Love it!!! The EPA ruined diesel trucks.
Heck yeah! That truck came out after I purchased this one otherwise I would have seriously looked at it. Thanks for watching!
I was looking at the 7.3.... what is your honest fuel mileage?
It’s a big block gas engine. Don’t bother factoring fuel economy. If I had to guess when towing it would be 9-12mpg. It’s a beautiful old school concept, we will see if the Godzilla comes out with its own issues
@@ernestoluzan
I’m sure it will
You can always add the super charger to your 7.3L for a little more power for mountains etc.
I considered getting a used diesel pickup, and asked the diesel mechanic at work what I should look for as far as brand and year, and he smiled and said "depends on which problems you want."
Lol, that sounds about right! Thanks for watching!
Diesels are a niche market in the USA, too bad a premium is charged on the fuel there and it is harder to find. The emission systems are fragile and expensive. The yearly emissions test in CO is an additional hassle and expense.
Get a 7.3
@@bricecine and carry crank sensors with you lmao
Diesels were so great back in the day before they required all of the emissions garbage on them. That and the fact that people start tuning them and stretching the head bolts . Diesels were made for pulling not drag racing lol
Agreed, thanks for watching!
thats why you put a light tune on it and remove the emmissions garbage. your mpg goes up 5mpg in all modes of driving. enviromental my ass..
I bought a 2020 Ram 2500 gas back in April. I’ve seen tons of diesel Ram 2500s, but not many gas. I was debating on swapping it out for the diesel version, but you answered all of my questions and now I’ve decided to keep it. I’m happy with my purchase now. Thank you!
I'm glad you found the video helpful! Thanks for watching!
I'm with you, I have a 5th Springdale weighing 10300 loaded. I have a 2017 Silverado 2500hd 6.0 litre with 4:10 rear axle, 14500 tow capacity with a fifth wheel and 2500 payload. I just drove across Canada through the British Columbia Rockies without seconding guessing my purchase. People always say the engine won't last as long as a diesel, I can have a new crate engine thrown at 300 hundred kms for less than an injector and fuel system repair.
Nice Andre! That is basically my exact truck. Thanks for the comment and watching!
Here in the US it’s a 10000$ upgrade & personally I can do a LOT with 10k and I’d rather not mess with the emissions shit on the newer diesels. Only way I would get a diesel is if it was deleted and tuned and I wouldn’t have to worry about the feds and trying to pass emissions every year
Not a bad truck. They ride very stiff though and the 360hp is pretty weak nowadays. Pretty good all-rounder
@@gwood701 It's been a solid truck so far! The truck rides like a Cadillac in comparison to our 05' Ram 3500, driving around in that thing would cause a person to have to see the chiropractor on a regular basis, lol! Thanks for watching!
@AndreCharron I'm planning on doing the same thing, driving across Canada to BC with my gas 2500 Ram truck. Glad to hear it wasn't too much trouble through the rockies!
Had a diesel once (2000 F-350 with 7.3 diesel) and after seeing the difference in operating costs after 2 years I went back to the 6.0 gas. The 6.0 gas is much cheaper to operate.
I needed to hear this. Great work!
Thank you! Glad I could help!
I think the GM 6.0l gas motor is probably one of the best most reliable HD gas motors you can buy. I have a 2018 GMC Sierra 3500 HD Crew Cab Long Bed SLE 4x4 with the 6.0l and over about 33k miles so far it's done really great. I use it to pull my 34' 14k pound Montana fifth wheel that's like a brick going down the road. And sure it'll go slow up mountain passes and stuff like that but I've also pushed it to 90+ mph on flat roads (Don't try this kids) with 0 problems. When I first bought the camper I was in Colorado waiting for a call from the Carpenters Union in Montana to start a job, they called me around 2 pm and I wasn't even packed, on a Sunday and said hey be here Monday morning. So I rush packed everything left around 4 PM was like a 9 hour drive and she was floored the entire time just because I was trying to get there as fast as possible. I will say, if you wanna tow heavy you're looking at 4-6 MPG highway. I've seen as low as 3.8 MPG on a tank pushing it. Your 13 mpg estimate is a little high in my opinion even on an empty truck, I've never reset trip B on my truck and it's averaged 9.6 MPG over the 30k+ miles. But that's towing and idling and empty driving and everything. So I'd average around 10 mpg for anyone trying to calculate real world fuel mileage numbers, better to be safe than sorry.
I will say though, if you go from a diesel to gas and are used to the exhuast break you need to take it really slow down mountains, I was driving past the big tunnel in Colorado forgot what it's called, and coming back down I was in 1st gear doing 5k rpm's smelling my brakes burn doing 80-85 mph down the mountain. Not very safe I should have slowed down a lot before hitting the hill, but just keep in mind if you're gonna max one of these out towing and go on steep grades you need to make sure you have good brakes and you keep it around 30-40 mph in 1st gear because she will run away on you if you're not careful. That being said, I've never once broke down in this truck it's never over heated it's never been to the shop and I abuse the crap out of it towing its max capabilities. So it's a solid truck, you just have to be smart about safety because once your brakes go out you don't have very much compression in a small gas motor to slow you down.
Thanks for the detailed comment and real world experience feedback! That is always good to know and share with others. You are yet another person that has praised the 6.0L. When I bought this truck I mainly wanted reliability. From what I've heard from just about everybody, the 6.0L is reliable! Thanks for watching!
@@ColoradoCamperman Yeah they're really a pretty solid truck. My work has a 2004 Chevy express van with the 6.0l that has 290k miles on it all stock and still goes strong, it's even been wrecked a couple times lol. I worked for thsi contractor that had I think an 04 2500 Silverado with the 6.0l with 315k miles on it he still used everyday. A good family friend of mine a couple years ago bought a 2005 2500 Silverado with the 6.0l with 200k miles on it and it's still going strong. They're just really good motors. And since they've been used since I wanna say like 2003 or 2002? In everything from trucks to vans to SUVS to sports cars there are so many used parts on the market that are affordable and many in junk yards which everything is pretty much interchangeable with GM because they're too cheap to re-design things for each vehicle lol. Plus, there's all kinds of after market upgrades like turbo chargers and super chargers or pro chargers air intakes all kinds of things with decades of proven testing because of how old the motor is. The one thing though with GM, is with the independent front suspension on a heavy truck it might start failing around 100k miles and you'll have to get that rebuilt but for the better ride quality I think it's worth it.
And if you really wanna make sure it lasts forever I would switch all of your oils and fluids to Amsoil full synthetic, It's expensive, but from the sounds of your experience with your Dodge it's cheaper than a new motor or transmission. If you go with Amsoil, and follow all of their guidelines and rules, if anything happens that's caused by the lack of what the oil or fluid should be doing, they'll replace your motor or whatever for free. They're one of the only independent oil companies that aren't beholden to some big billion dollar corporation that makes more money by making sure vehicles don't last lol.
I may be a little partial to GM though, my Grandpa worked for them for 22 years on an assembly line. And I just really like Amsoil if you're gonna pay the insane prices for these new trucks you want to put the best oil money can buy into it. That'll make sure it's around for your kid to drive when they're 16, and with the 6.0l and Amsoil I wouldn't be surprised if your kids kid can drive it one day. A lot of people have reached a million miles on Amsoil products and GM products.
@@dedalliance1 Thanks for the detailed information! That is really good to know about the Amsoil. I'm using full synthetic, but I don't know for sure if it's Amsoil or not. Also sweet to hear about all the 200k+ miles I've heard the exact same thing and that's ultimately why I bought the truck. Thanks again for the comment and watching!
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My story is similar to yours. I drive 5k miles a year, and have a similar camper. Started out with a 96 7.3 powerstroke for a few years, then sold it for a 97 crewcab with 460 gasser. I do miss the diesel, but the gasser is simple and cheap, it never fails to start even at elk camp, and even though it's a gas hog, it would take most of my life to justify fuel savings over the cost and maintenance of diesel. Practicality and math win out. Thanks for sharing your experience. -Jesse, Boise Id.
Good points! Sounds like I'm not the only one out there with this kind of thinking. Good luck hunting this year! I just got back from Elk camp last week and am heading back out at the end of the month, came so close! Going to seal the deal on this next trip. Thanks for watching Jesse!
Thank you Big time. This helped clarify the difference and Pluses/ Minuses between Gas and Diesel. Great spell out. bill in Florida
You're welcome Bill! Glad you found value in watching the video. Thanks for watching!
Good on you brother.. i did the same thing and chose the same truck.. 2019 wt 6.0/6 speed auto/ 4x4 with 4.10 rear.. i absolutely love the simplicity and it just runs.. tried & true platform that should last for years with basic maintenance,
Im also in Colorado, west slope 🤙
Im also right at 2 years 41k miles of ownership and zero issues..
Thanks man! Like you said, tried and true platform. That is the main reason when I went with that truck. Great to have a fellow Coloradoan on here! Good to hear about your truck and no issues too :) Thanks for the comment and watching!
That 6.0/6 spd combo is nice! Tried and true
Great video man ! Has helped me in the purchasing of a truck
Thanks Noah! Glad it was helpful. Thanks for watching!
Essentially, drive what you can afford. Americans would do well to learn this lesson.
Exactly! Well said Rob. Thanks for watching!
YEP!! Maintenance costs are key!!
It's insane how many people drive vehicles they can't afford and live in houses they can't afford. When this becomes too widespread, usually those conditions lead into a recession.
@@Joel-ew1zm I'm a huge Dave Ramsey fan and follower for going on 10 years. He changed my life and I encourage everyone I know to follow his baby steps! Thanks for watching!
@@ColoradoCamperman Same here! Gave me a whole different mindset to money and my life has been a whole lot less stressful now that i have my priorities in order. Is spending 10k extra to have the diesel and another 10k extra to have the top luxo trim worth the opportunity cost of putting that 20k towards your mortgage or retirement accounts? I tell you that base model work truck with the gas motor is gonna feel like a king ranch when you have it PAID FOR in full
Your EXPERENCE is the best teacher !!! Thanks you for taking the time making this vid.........
I agree 100%! Unfortunately, I always seem to learn the hard way, lol! Thanks for watching!
I have been looking for a video like this. To help me decide what my first truck should be. Making a switch from a Sadan. I really appreciate this!!
I'm glad the video could be helpful Kenny! Thank you for watching and have fun with your new truck!
Thx for the video. Helped me a lot making a hard decision
You're welcome, I'm glad it could be useful. Thanks for watching!
Straight to the point thank you for the good content
Thank you! I appreciate you watching!
I mean not really "straight to the point" but it was a good video nonetheless 🤣
@Colorado Camperman, thank you very much! You answered all my questions. 👍👍
You're welcome! Glad the video helped you, thanks for watching!
I've owned 8 diesel trucks since 95. I have a 2019 chevrolet 3500 single rear wheel now with the 6.0 gas. Still have my 2004 duramax but not towing my camper with it. It has 400k miles on it and I'm not afraid of that but it's not as comfortable as the new truck. I bought a brand new dodge 2500 diesel in 2014. Spent thousands on a new turbo 3k miles after warranty ran out. Nothing but problems. I decided to go to a gas because like you said we don't pull enough to justify a diesel. Took my 2018 work and play 30wrs to the north GA mountains this past Christmas and although it didn't pull like my duramax it got the job done. It downshifted on the steep hills but that was it. The maintenance and everything else was just too much to consider on a new diesel. I paid $39k otd for this truck. The cheapest duramax on the lot was $54k. That's before taxes and fees. If I was pulling thousands of miles a year I could maybe justify diesel. You're video and my thoughts are almost exactly the same. Every thing you said I agree with. One thing I think you might not have mentioned is insurance is higher for the duramax even being a safe driver.
Thanks for sharing your experience Donnie! I think it's always good to hear from people who actually have real-world experience towing with a gas and diesel trucks. Good call on the insurance! I didn't even think of that. That makes total sense because anything that has a higher sticker price will almost always have more expensive insurance. Thanks for the comment and watching!
Been wanting a diesel truck for a long time but worried about maintaining it, this cleared things up for me. Thanks.
Glad the video could be helpful! Thanks for watching!
My wife and I bought a ram 2500 with the 6.4 hemi. We love it. We've pulled our camper from NC to Wisconsin them Michigan and back home. We spent around 800 in gas. I think that's pretty good. We averaged around 9.5 mpg. We love our gasser.
That's about the same MPG we get towing. When I towed the same camper with our diesel, we'd get 10-12mpg, so not much better. Thanks for watching!
Excellent Video, good job using facts and your experiences.
Thank you! I appreciate the positive feedback and you watching!
Outstanding thought process and valuable information thank you
You're welcome! Thank you for watching!
Best explanation on the subject! I'm literally trying to figure out if I want to go gas or diesel. Great points.
Glad you found value in the video! I hope it helps you in your decision making process. Thanks for the comment and watching!
Great video! Very informative. I wish I had seen this before I went to diesel myself. However, I had sell it due to the pandemic and have returned to gas. I feel I'm definitely on the right track. I would also further state that my point is for those of us with trailer weights that are on the higher end of gasoline engine capacities. In other words, there's no doubt that diesel is the only choice for the heavier 5th wheels and such.
Thanks for sharing your experience and watching Julio!
Very valid points. Me personally I love the sound and smell of a diesel truck, and the torque is amazing.
I knew going in it wasn’t a cheap truck to maintain.$100 to do an oil change, with me doing it! Don’t have to worry about def fluid “anymore “ 😃
Thanks man! The torque is unbelievable with the new diesels! Thanks for watching!
Good video. You cover about all the reasons why I also bought a gas truck instead of a diesel one. It makes no sense if you use it for occasional/recreational towing, but if you are using it for towing as part of your business, then the diesel will start to win some on the mileage battle.
Thanks Herman, great minds think alike! Thanks for watching!
I've been driving my 2002 Ram since new. 21yrs with a 5.9 magnum. The old Dodge bloodline.
Heck yeah! That's what I'm planning on doing with my truck. Thanks for watching!
You make good points. I bought a used 2006 diesel Ram 2500. I paid very little for the truck, probably not much more than a used gasser. It was well taken care of and so far very reliable. If it breaks I can fix it. I've had a few diesel pickups before. I am in Cali so cold not an issue. Pickups prior to dpf/scr years becoming quite desirable. Yeah, gassers will get the job done but personal preference for me is diesel (when getting the truck for the right price).
Thanks man! Good for you on finding a great deal. Definitely helps that you're able to work on everything yourself. Thanks for watching!
It is nice that you can work on it but for those that don’t have to pay that extra hourly for a diesel mechanic, he said it all when he said 3000 clans for 6 new injectors! I’ve got a diesel mechanic as a friend and that was what he said if you have to replace injectors might as well go and get a bank loan!
@@steveknight9254 Yeah, the problem was, I brought up to my mechanic that I thought on injector was bad. He didn't looked into it enough and he didn't pressure test the injectors. So as a result, two injectors overfueled the cylinders and caused cracks in the cylinders. Ultimately, I had to replace the engine and all 6 injectors- ouch! Then my new diesel mechanic put in the remanufactured engine. He told me the turbo was fine. 10 months later the turbo malfunctioned and exploded. This caused shards of metal to go through the intercooler and into the engine. Destroying the new engine. Oh yeah, and I had brought up to my new mechanic that my turbo was leaking before this happened. He inspected it and said it was fine. So, basically I identified two massive issues before they happened and two separate mechanics didn't listen to me which ultimately destroyed two engines! Sorry that was a rant, lol! What a terrible experience that truck was! And a freaking expensive one!
@@ColoradoCamperman I’m sorry you had to experience such a chain of financially catastrophic events, ouch is right.
@@steveknight9254 Thanks, it was brutal! I'm glad it is over!
I agree with many things you mentioned here.
One thing many people do is underestimate what their gasser can do. For example, I have a 2001 chevy 1500. It has been my "tow truck"....as in hauling vehicles on a 16ft trailer. Way too many people think you need a diesel or even 3/4 gasser for that. You don't need a big truck to haul around a basic car. Plus the ride is so much smoother. I've had that truck for 5 years and love the damn thing...but I'm upgrading. Heck, if you just need a basic truck, an old TBI 350 chevy will do the trick. Simple and dirt cheap.
Availability of fuel is absolutely something to think of. I used to have a 2001 jetta TDI. Great MPGs and had good torque. My problem was I'd run the fuel low and then never find diesel in rural areas. Then, the one time you find a diesel place, they know it's the only one and charge a lot more than the average. You can obviously avoid this, but it's something to remember.
Fuel economy and maintenance cost probably even out in the long run (realistically, the diesel in the long run probably costs more). Let's say hypothetically a 6.0 gasser completely went bad. It'd cost the same as a full set of injectors for a more common diesel. Also, as you stated the cold starts and all that.
*I "need" to upgrade and recently picked up a 2001 silverado 2500 gasser on trade, but also bought a 2003 ram 2500 cummins 6spd manual for $3500. I am having the injectors tested now, but once that is addressed (truck ran well, but just wanted to be safe), the cummins should be solid. I keep going back and forth whether to keep the gasser or cummins since I don't tow a lot, anymore, but plan on doing more and more. My biggest problem with the older LS engines is they are kind of gutless until you get up higher in the RPMs. I also took my 2500 chevy around the block a few times and it seemed like it was chugging that fuel. Granted those older 6.0s got worse mileage than the newer ones. When I picked up my cummins, I drove it an hr and the needle didn't move much. The older Chevy's are just nicer trucks overall. The interior is so much better and they just look better. As of right now though, my plan is to use the cummins as my truck. hopefully I don't regret it, but if I do, I should be able to sell the cummins and do just fine.
Thanks for the detailed comment and watching! It's always great to hear about other people's stories.
Thank you for sharing. I enjoy my ford 6.2 gas crew cab long bed I use for camping and hauling atvs. We also have the 6.0 chevy in a passenger van we use as well. It tows great on flat but when we are driving over the mountain passes with an 8000lbs load it takes time. I actually use that slow time and enjoy the scenery. Of course you will see diesel pick ups hauling their rig 70 miles an hour putting themselves and everyone else at risk. Your reasons for gas and my reasons for gas are pretty simular, except I like the smell of diesel lol. Thanks for taking the time and posting.
You're welcome! Thank you for sharing your experience and watching Mr. Lariata! It's always great to hear from people who have real-world experience.
I actually did the same. I owned a 2012 ram diesel, and traded for a 2018 gas truck. The diesel was 2wd and the gas burner is 4wd. I actually get the same fuel mileage not towing with the gas as I did with the diesel. I have the 6.4 liter hemi in the gas burner and it tows my 35 foot camper like a dream, it weighs 11000 pounds.
Nice! Thanks for sharing your experience and watching!
Awesome video. These days it's just not worth owning a diesel truck after the warranty has expired.
Thanks Jeff! Thanks for watching!
Nice breakdown Brian. I'm on my second GM pickup with the 6.0 liter and have also been very satisfied. Keep up the good work man.
Thank you! I appreciate the comment and you watching!
I went from a 6.7 Powerstroke to a 6.2 gasser for many of the reasons that you pointed out in your video. I tow up to 12,000 pounds from the receiver hitch with no issues on my gas truck. I am very happy with it.
Glad the gasser has been working out for you! Thanks for watching!
The 6.2 Boss is an unbelievably reliable good engine too, sad it’s no longer for superduties
@@bradmckay7439 Totally agree!
I’ve said it multiple times. Unless you’re pulling 5-10k pounds daily if not multiple times a week, diesels are not worth it anymore. 90% of truck owners are not towing on the daily, thus it makes 0 sense to have one. Good on you for being honest with yourself and crunching the numbers. Who cares if you get 9mpg towing, you only tow a few times a year.
Well put Garrett! I agree with you 100%. Thanks for watching!
I tow more than anyone I work with and I have a gas motor. The guys with diesels I work with do not tow. They just wanted the diesel because it's the fad.
I know there are people who do need a diesel but I'd say 90% of the people them dont.
That was my whole way of thinking before I got a bigger truck. Went from a 1500 4x4 to a 2500hd 2 wheel drive.
@@lance3338 I definitely agree with you. Thanks for watching!
@@christopherr.7138 I hope you're digging the 2500hd! I love 3/4 ton trucks, they are super versatile and are the way to go if you're towing. Thanks for watching!
I like your mathematical breakdown on this. The added cost of ownership in a diesel also is a significant factor. Oil changes, fuel filters, fuel additives and eventually maintenance costs. The Duramax will even need injectors or emissions system components and who knows long term how that fuel system will pan out. If it's anything like the LML's and the cp4 failures. I've been mulling this over for months now. I bought a new 2108 3500HD Silverado with the Duramax. I don't pull heavy enough often enough two justify it. I'm wanting to avoid all those expensive fixes down the road. Not had any troubles with the diesel but I sure don't want to. Looking really hard at a new 6.6 gas truck from GM. Love the video.
Thanks! Yeah, breaking it down like that really made me think twice about diesel. I've heard great things about those new 6.6L gassers! Thanks for watching!
You don’t think a gasser will have eventual maintenance costs too and all truck engines have some amount of emissions components.
Great info sir. Love my HD 2500 gasser and I’m not pulling anything over 8000 lbs myself. It’s perfect for me
Thank you! Sounds like your situation is almost exactly like mine! Thanks for the comment and watching!
Excellent video and very good information.
Thanks for the comment and watching Derald!
We also went from a Diesel to gas based on our travel and usage. We traveled from Texas to Alaska a few times and the Diesel was great for those long trips and since everywhere had pugs for block heaters in AK starting was no problem. Now we are in Texas we went back to gas as short trips and the lower maintenance cost is great with the gas truck.
Makes perfect sense to me! Thanks for watching John!
Just bought a 2019 GMC 2500HD 4x4 long box with the 6.0 engine! They are not using the 6.0 engine in the 2020 trucks! These are great trucks you are right1 Great video!
Congrats on your purchase! The truck has been great for me so far. Just rolled over to 10,000 miles the other day. Thanks for the comment and watching!
Great video. Great way to break it down too.
Thanks for the comment and watching!
Your cost to benefit analysis on fuel economy was brilliant.
Thank you! I wish I would have ran those numbers before we bought a diesel, lol! Oh well, live and learn. Thanks for watching.
Everyone should pull with what they want as long as it is safe I like my diesel but by no means can I claim that it is cost effective
To each their own, right? I agree. Thanks for watching!
you are credible sir. you no speak da bullshit!
We have a Suburban 2500 with the 6.0. We’ve considered converting to diesel, but are probably going to get a crate engine and add a supercharger. Duramax conversion is $30k, and new 6.0 with supercharger is about $11k. We pull a lot, but we need more than 5 seats.
Great video!
Thanks David! I hope you get something worked out with your setup. Thanks for watching!
I would be interested in how you like the turbo 6.0 set up. I considered buying a 6.0 and adding a small turbo if needed. I think it would take about $5k to add it. They show some rear turbines on CZcams.
Good video. Well done! Lot's of people buy a diesel and don't really need all that torque. I used to have a gasser and was killing the truck for 26,000 pound towing. I regularly use two of three 06 LBZ's and my GVW is pushing 26k coming home from the port. In a case like this, you NEED a diesel. That said, I also LOVE my LBZ's. There is something about a diesel that is always in the back of my mind while I'm driving that puts a big smile on my face!
Diesels definitely outperform a gasser with a heavy load, no question! Thanks for watching!
Low end Torque of diesel pulls you against the seat, that's addictive and fun, specially with standard trany or manual selector.
Thank you for the information! You definitely have lived it and your totally are correct!!
You're welcome! Thanks for the comment and watching!
My parents and grandparents towed travel trailers back in the 70s & 80s with cars , they were body on frame , rear wheel drive , with V8s . We didnt have these big noisy over price trucks and got on down the road just fine.
Exactly! The fact that new gas trucks can tow 15,000lbs+ is pretty insane! And diesels can tow 20,000lbs+, crazy! Thanks for watching Mike!
My best friends dad who was a master machinist mechanic pulled a 7500lb 27ft 1967 Kenskill travel trailer with a Plymouth station wagon with 318ci v-8 2barrel. auto trans. For YEARS oh yea with 5 kids and all the stuff that goes along with that. NEVER had a problem. Also my aunt and uncle pulled a large travel traler all over the USA in the late sixties pulling with a Buick electra
@@steverulien8042 Yep my grandad had a 1977 Impala and towed a 22 ft Wilderness travel trailer no problems and my dad had a 1975 Impala and towed a 19 ft Shasta. But they quit building cars like that in 2011 with the end of the Crown Vic and Grand Marques and the Lincoln Town Car.
Remember the speed limit was 55 then.
I feel better about getting my 6.2 f250 in 2018 after seeing this. However, they have a 7.3 liter gas now and that would be AWESOME. You're right about the cost difference and really it's about the ego getting passed on the hill for me but I had to get over that and I'm happy I didn't waste all that money on a diesel.
Good! Lol, you sounds like me. I like my 2019 6.0L Chevy, but Chevy came out with the 6.6L in 2020 that has more torque, HP, & can tow 16,000lbs. I've heard it's a pretty big improvement over the 6.6L. I also heard great things about Ford's 7.3L gas. I totally understand where you're coming from with hills! I've noticed that if I struggle going up a hill, semi's are struggling and I'm usually passing them - so that makes me feel better, lol! Thanks for watching!
Thanks, that was very helpful.
Glad you found it helpful! Thanks for watching Wally!
Thanks for your video. I tow a 20 foot camper at 4400 lbs dry, with a 5.3 vortec (2009 Avalanche) a few times a year and was thinking of a diesel truck in the future, but may move up to a 2500 HD
You're welcome Rick! I can't recommend towing with a 2500 enough! I've only ever had a 3/4ton truck or better. Huge difference in towing and much more stable/safer. Your camper is small enough that a 1500 will do great, but if you were to step up in length or weight, a 2500 will be much better suited. Thanks for watching!
Yeah, we may move up to a longer camper with a slide out someday and will look at 3/4 ton trucks as well.
Own multiple Duramax's and 6.0 LQ's. Gotta say I really love pulling with my Dura but boy am I glad to do work on the gasser. Also GM is god tier in V8 performance. I have personally seen the LQ4 go 700K miles with every 15k synthetic. Oil pump got it but damn if we didn't over rtv that gasket it would have ran another 100k I 100% believe that. long live GM.
Stay Safe
We have had great luck with Chevys. Thanks for the comment and watching!
Great video! I’m considering buying a 2021
Sierra with the 3L Duramax instead of my 2014 Tacoma for pulling our 19’ GeoPro but you’ve made great points! Been convincing myself that diesel is better but after watching your video it brings out what I was trying to avoid. Thanks!
Thanks Mario! Glad the video could be helpful. Thanks for watching!
I went from a 6.7 Power-stroke to a 6.2 gas in a Ford F-250. The diesel had awesome pulling power but was really more truck than I needed most days. Secondly, the maintenance was more expensive and the big ticket item was coming sooner or later. Made the switch and the gas engine has done everything I needed to do and doing it pretty well. I agree with you that for a lot of people a gas engine is a good solution for all the reasons that you mentioned. Very good video
thanks for your evaluation, actual experience. With 12K 5th whl, no problem towing with our ‘21 F350 SRW CCLB FX4 with 7.3L gas & 3:73 axles.
Luv the 48gal fuel tank std with the LB. Primary use is for towing the RV, not a daily driver. Besides the big upfront cost, diesel maintenance costs really add up !
I've heard great things about the 7.3l engine. Glad it is working out for you! Thanks for the comment and watching.
Very good analysis with all the variables that could effect each individual. I have a Forest River Wolf Pup and fully loaded it might be 4000 lbs. Hard to believe but I tow it with a 1996 Dodge Dakota with a nice 318 cu. inch V8. Without the trailer I can get 20 mpg. Towing I average about 12 mpg. My truck is loaded too when I RV. My towing capacity is a bit over 6,000 pounds. So this gas set up works for me. However, I used to raise beef cattle and for hauling hay, cattle , pulling through the woods and pastures, a diesel is king. But I don’t do that anymore so gas in my little truck works well for me.
Thanks for sharing your experience and watching Dave!
Your analysis was practical and relative to costs. Another way to understand it is a gas engine uses an average compression of 9:1 and a diesel approximately 21:1. This is why there is so much more power in the power stroke of the diesel. However to get that you have a much more complicated engine. If you need that much power that is where you go to diesel and cost becomes acceptable for your requirements. Most guys love the idea of a diesel but often it doesn’t make sense. For those of you that might have some interest in the old two stroke diesels, check out Bus Grease Monkey. He works on older Detroit diesels in buses. Quite interesting and a fun channel for those of us that are gear heads. Thanks again!
Two things. I’ve worked on the Cummins 5.9 and the newer 6.7 a long time. They are very reliable an near indestructible as long as they are maintained properly. I’m not saying Colorado camper man did not, I’m literally saying that my fleet has the data to prove they are solid engines.
Secondly, the 3rd gen Chrysler chassis leaves a bit to be desired at times, but they are fairly simple to fix. I have a 07 Mega 2500 with a 5.9 CTD, bought it from a one owner. I’ve had to replace worn parts and maintained a few neglected items, but I love the old school pre-emission Cummins.
I tow a 7500 pound trailer that is 32 feet long. I tow in Colorado so having a heavy tow vehicle and a turbo is a very nice addition. If I lived at sea level, maybe I don’t purchase this truck. It will eventually require a transmission rebuild, and other things as the mileage climbs up. I paid 18.5K for it, great deal, and it will be a long runner for 10 more years.
I definitely maintained the truck, my problems stemmed for poor mechanics and not being able to diagnosis problems when I brought the truck into them. Here's a quick rundown of my issues... I brought up to my mechanic that I thought on injector was bad. He didn't looked into it enough and he didn't pressure test the injectors. So as a result, two injectors overfueled the cylinders and caused cracks in the cylinders. Ultimately, I had to replace the engine and all 6 injectors- ouch! Then my new diesel mechanic put in the remanufactured engine. He told me the turbo was fine. 10 months later the turbo malfunctioned and exploded. This caused shards of metal to go through the intercooler and into the engine. Destroying the new engine. Oh yeah, and I had brought up to my new mechanic that my turbo was leaking before this happened. He inspected it and said it was fine. So, basically I identified two massive issues before they happened and two separate mechanics didn't listen to me which ultimately destroyed two engines!
@@ColoradoCamperman Word. The hardest thing for people who aren’t technicians is to find a shop that has just that. Lots of “mechanics “ out there! Especially on you tube. Some of us though have made a very honest, good living being professionals and giving people and their equipment the care and service they deserve. Sorry you didn’t find that with the shops you visited. You’re from Colorado, if you’re ever in the front range and need trailer work. I can personally vouch for Iron Bear Trailer in Denver. I’m not affiliated with them. I’ve just purchased parts there and know for a fact they provide very good repair work,
Congrats and great choice. We have a 2016 2500 WT with the 6.0 Vortec bought used this summer. Moved from an 2008 1500 with a 5.3. After towing our 30 foot travel trailer we realized a 2500 was necessary to travel safely. When looking for a 2500 we strongly considered a diesel but couldn’t justify the upfront costs and maintenance for the diesel. Came across our 2500 with all service records and haven’t looked back. Based on other trucks we looked at we saved at least 8 grand by not going with a diesel. For us a no brainer and the 6.0 Vortec is bullet proof with a proven workhorse track record. You will not regret your purchase! Happy Camping!
Killer hat BTW
Thank you! You guys have great taste as well, lol! I agree on basically everything you said in your comment. Thanks for watching!
Nice video!! Thank you
You're welcome, thanks for watching!
Bought my 02 F250 brand new with the V10 gasser. Towed my boat all over (6271 lbs) now has 240 K on it. Been some major repairs but can't complain. I had to order it as the dealer had no gas F250s. After test driving a gas F150 and a diesel F250 the quiet gas was the obvious choice for me. Looking back at the disaster the Powerstrokes were back then I'm glad I bought the Triton.
Thanks for sharing your experience and watching Walt!
My biggest gripe with my 2005 Duramax was that it would not warm up during my 7 mile winter commute. Pulled a trailer great but was more than I needed on a daily basis.
Sounds like my experience! Thanks for watching Wes!
Move to the s west 😛
@@LKN4WAR Lol, yeah I wouldn't have to worry about the cold weather then!
I recently got rid of my Cummins and bought a Ford 6.2 gas. I am totally happy.
Good to hear the truck is working out for you! Thanks for watching!
I did the same thing 6.2 gas and absolutely love it plenty of power and don't have to spend $130 dollars for a oil change
Thank You Very Helpful
You're welcome! Glad it was helpful. Thanks for watching!
Good information thank you
You're welcome, thanks for watching Mike!
Dont forget to add Diesel Exhaust Fluid for the Diesel engine.
You mean the blinker fluid? Lol
That too.LOL
You mean Hog urine!
Makes perfect sense to me, you really did your homework.
Thanks! Yeah, I spent too many damn hours researched, lol! It's nice to have that free time back :)
You make a great point. Any one who want something to tow should watch this video. Bro to have fun and enjoy life is not cheap I can tell you do spend money to fix that broken dodge diesel.
Thanks! I appreciate the comment and you watching!
Really good points.
Thanks! Thanks for watching Seth!
Good points thank you
You're welcome, thanks for watching!
I just sold my 6.7 Powerstroke for 38000 and bought a truck two years newer that's got the 6.2 L gasoline engine and believe it or not the gasoline engine is very comfortable to the older 7.3 diesel as far as horsepower and torque I don't regret it especially up elk hunting when it gets below zero and I don't have any way to plug it in. I don't regret it at all!!
Glad to hear you've had such a good experience making the switch! I have yet to regret it and as you mentioned, I don't miss dealing with the diesel in cold weather! Thanks for watching!
All the same reason as I had in 2006. Still have my 2006 2500hd 6.0 4x4 and love it. Only have 130,000 on it still running strong.
Great to hear that you're 6.0 has done so well! That is the reason why I bought our truck because I had heard similar stories. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the video..
You're welcome, thanks for watching!
Appreciate the info. Havent owned a diesel
You're welcome! Diesels are sweet, don't get me wrong. $ was just a huge factor in our decision and so we went with the gasser that will work out just fine.
I think you offer some really practical advice. Good stuff. Me I’m a trucker by trade, and come from a lineage of diesel techs! I will agree, there is a lot of risk after 2010 in owning a diesel rig. The emissions systems and the common rail technology and all the rest are enough to make a guy or gal think twice. The only reason I shy from a gas motor is I run a lot of miles per year, and I am afraid I’ll burn the resale right out of a gasser before the vehicle has ran it’s course. Thoughts?
@@jeffaboularage1450 in cases where you are maxing out gasser, but are dead set on going gas, you have to just make sure you really like the truck. If you really like the truck, and keep the interior like new, you can justify the worst case scenario of replacing the engine and transmission years later.
Agree. With you for your situation. There is no reason to buy a diesel to tow a 7k trailer. I have 2 trucks both diesels but I tow all the time and I tow 15k plus most of the time. Good video.
Thanks Chris! Yeah, in your situation a diesel definitely makes sense. Thanks for watching!
Except you get better mpg towing 7,000 lbs.
I'm a mechanic for a GM dealer first truck I bought new was a regular cab 6.0 2500 hd wt trim in 16. I tow a car hauler like its not even there! And a equipment trailer for small things( tractors) Does everything I need. 6.0 vortecs never had the issues 5.3s did later in life. And definitely more reliable than a duramax with emissions. Smooth reliable engine.
Congrats on a great purchase!
It's great to hear good things about the 6.0 from a mechanic that works on GM's! That is definitely reassuring. Thanks for the comment and watching!
Those were great engines
Because of all the smog devices required, I went from diesel to gas as well
I know a lot of people have done the same thing for the same reason!
My father was the lead fleet mechanic for Colorado’s energy company for almost 40 years. He has worked on and maintained every Diesel engine and gas engine there is. His first words of advice to me were.......NEVER buy and Chrysler product. And in all those years he never even entertained owning a diesel. And we did tow race cars every weekend for a lot of years. There’s just not enough bang for the buck period
Thanks for the comment Craig! The worst vehicles I've ever owned were Jeeps and my old Dodge. Fun vehicles but they broke down constantly. So, I'd tend to agree with your Dad. Thanks for watching!
@@ColoradoCamperman lol I had a Jeep and a Dodge also. They probably spent the least amount of time in my life of any vehicle I've owned.
They were nice enough I guess but the Jeep didn't feel like it would last long enough to justify its price and the Ram 3500 dually threw a code with only 5,00 miles on the odometer not towing and on flat highway.
So I was like yeah let's get out of this while it still has some market value.
My pickup is still a diesel but it's an 86 with basically nothing on it and cost me very little to acquire and make road worthy.
@@dchawk81 Thanks for sharing your experience and watching!
One thing that also should come into consideration is the DEF fluid for emissions.
For sure, thanks for watching!
Good info, enough to convince me to buy a gas RV vs a diesel. The difference in price of an RV, 24’, is approx $20k to $40k. It would take me another lifetime to make up the difference in fuel and maintenance costs. Good work!
Glad the video could be helpful! When you run the numbers, it give you a whole new perspective on things! Thanks for watching!
I'm currently driving a 2006 Dodge 2500 megacab with 5.9 Cummins. I've put 252k mike on it since new. I'm targeting a 3/4 ton gasser for my next daily driver/tow rig...2015+ GMc/Chevy. I'm impressed with my past experiences with LS/Vortec engines. But...if I find a smoking deal on a Ford, Ram, or diesel pop up, well then, I might just give it a go.
Good video. Thank you for the analysis, comparisons and thoughts.
Thanks for your comment and for watching Travis!
Pull my Airstream up a lot of mountain roads. 25 mph 6.0 Litre gas, 55 mph same 5.9 Cummins. Got tired of almost blowing up the gas engine to prevent traffic jams. No contest, no problems.
Yupp I'm changing to diesel ,less friction on engine ,and we don't go that far anyway .I hope I made the right decision ,my 26 ft RV trailer got pulled three hours to get her home and I told myself you will blow this engine ,I'm going to diesel ,and driving comfortable.
Sounds like it will work out better for you. Thanks for watching.
Bet you liked having an exhaust brake coming down the mountain too!
First mistake was buying a Chrysler product, I've had four myself and all were junk. You'll have good luck with the Chevy.
Lol, yeah, I should have based that decision on my previous experience with Jeeps (they broke down constantly!). I've always had good luck with Chevy. Thanks for watching Scotty!
Bought my ram 3500 4x4 srw new and will be switching to gas for some of the same reasons. And it most likely will be another ram. But that truck is still FAR more reliable, better performing and comfortable than my friends and relatives chubbies and furds. In fact I'll bet i know 5 people who would buy my truck today if it were for sale. Granted I take proper care of it but it has literal given me only two issues. Everyone with the other trucks have had that many issues every couple years. I still get over 20mpg going 70 and I can still tow my trailer like it's nothing. The new ones cost too much, get poor mileage and need additives.
The only thing is that Cummins is not a Chrysler product
You can save a bunch on diesel with the TSD Logistics fuel card, often 10-90 cents/gal.
I’d miss the diesel pulling power and engine braking in the hills/mountains, tho maybe not so much with a lighter trailer like yours. But with a 14K# trailer the engine brake is comforting.
Chasing 70 degrees all year, don’t have to deal with cold starts much.
Still, you make a lot of good points and have the personal experience to make an informed choice that’s right for you.
Thanks for the comment and watching Michael!
My first, only, and last diesel truck was a 2002 Ford F250 Power Stroke. I bought it in early 2006 and it only had 34k miles on it. I thought it was great until diesel prices started climbing rapidly just a few months after I bought it. Then came a nice cold morning in late February and my wife could not get it to start (she didn't wait for the fuel pre-heater light to go off). The final straw was when I took it in to be serviced. OMG! I didn't have a clue. It cost around $65 to get my old 1995 F150 serviced, but this diesel beast cost almost $300 for a simple oil and filter change along with a fuel filter. I ended up selling it for about the same price I paid for it, so I wasn't out too much money. I bought a 2006 F250 with the 5.4 Triton engine and it has been awesome. We still have it and even with over 200k it still runs great. I have had to replace the coils and spark plugs two times, the battery 3 times, and the alternator once. Other than regular maintenance, that has been it. I'm a firm believer that diesel trucks should be used for hauling stuff and making money.
Thanks for sharing your experience! Glad to hear you didn't lose any money on your learning experience. Our diesel truck cost us around $40,000 for a learning experience, lol! That includes the money we made on selling the POS. Glad your gas truck is working out for you. Ours has been working great for us too. Thanks for the comment and watching!
Sound, feel, and odor. All good reasons to choose a gas V-8.
I dig the sound of even my stock truck! Thanks for watching!
All good reasons to choose a diesel!!
Love diesel ,but I'm considering switching too gas for several reasons less routine maintenance cost ,considerable less repair cost and honestly don't want the dpf problems I believe a gas engine f350 will do what I need
Yeah, I love diesel trucks too. For what I use a truck for, I don't need one though and our gasser does everything we need. Sounds like you might be in the same boat as us. F350 gasser would be a great choice! Thanks for watching!
I have a 2020 GMC 3500 dually diesel with the 6.6 Duramax that I will be trading in a GMC AT4 2500 with the 6.6 gas engine. The primary reason is the cost of fuel. Diesel is currently $3.99/gal in PA as of Jan 2022.
Those GMC AT4's are pretty sweet! I've heard nothing but good things about that engine too. Thanks for the comment and enjoy the new truck!
Good point, Went to Maine almost the Canadian Border from Massachusetts with 2 trucks. Fairley light loads 2 atvs each and loaded comparably the same with gear, 2005 Silverado 2500 diesel got 18mpg and the 2019 Silverado gas job got 13 ish . Diesel was around 2.75 and gas 2.15 we did the math round number's and the diesel truck saved like 18.00. small trip like 355 miles but was enough to make up my mind. if I was retired and driving cross country for a few years id think of it but gas is better if your trips are low.
I agree, thanks for the comment and watching Rick!
Mines a gasser, as long as you don't mind it screaming at you on hills its all good
Yep, that is the biggest area we have noticed the difference - hills. Thanks for watching!
Yep 👍 v10, BABY!!
Got booth gas and diesel I end up using the gas more often. Use diesel only on heavy loads.
Makes sense, thanks for watching!
Same here i
If you hot shoting or using your truck for work, use diesel. Everything else use gas.
Same here.... my Frontier does 75% of my needs and my gen2, 12v take care of the rest.
That’s the way to do it. I’d like to get a TACO to compliment my F-350. A lot of times you don’t need that big ass truck to do a job.
Thank you for this. You helped me decide to stay with a gasser!!
You're welcome! I'm glad the video could be helpful. Thanks for watching!
Thanks so much for all of this info. Getting ready to buy our first small camper and a truck. This addressed all of our concerns and probably kept us from making the mistake of buying a diesel.
You're welcome! Glad the video was helpful, thanks for watching!
Thanks for the video and number crunching. In 2019 I got rid of my 05 GMC 2500hd Duramax and bought a 2019 Tundra. We tow a 7,000 lb travel trailer also and it tows pretty well, with the exception of having a low payload. After wrenching on the GMC for so many years and potential injector replacement costs looming, I decided to go for known reliability.
My wife bought a 2019 tundra, and I have a 2005 f250 crew cab powerstroke. For our smaller loads, like our fish house, sleds, and wheelers, I actually like the tundra better for towing. The only reason we have the super duty is towing our 5th wheel.
I would have bought a Tundra if they made a 3/4 ton truck! The most reliable vehicle I ever owned was a 4Runner and have heard great things about the Tundra. Thanks for watching!
Great combo! Thanks for watching!
I drive 25,000 miles a year and chose a gasser. However i fo forsee a diesel in my future as my toys are getting bigger 🙃
Lol, diesels can definitely tow bigger and heavier toys, no doubt! Thanks for watching!
Good review.
I think you made a good choice for your situation. The new gassers have the power and torque of the older diesels. The 7.3 Ford Godzilla engine puts out impressive numbers. On Diesels DEF seems to always go out on those trucks especially if they aren’t getting worked on a regular bases.
Your gas mileage analysis was good, however, I think your gas truck is really going to drop MPGs once you hook that trailer up, where the diesel won’t drop as much. So if your truck is used primarily as a tow rig you might recoup that difference quicker. Also, you theoretically should get longer life out of the diesel if properly maintained, so another variable in the cost of ownership. If you get rid of stuff every few years, or every 100k miles then there won’t be a difference. However if you hang on to stuff for years, the Diesel might be a better choice.
Thanks! When we tow we get 8-10mpg. When we towed with our diesel, we would get 11-13mpg. We're happy with our purchase and for our situation it works out. Thanks for watching!
We run two 7.3 powerstrokes, an older duramax and a 6.0 powerstroke up here in Canada’s cold north on the ranch. We haven’t had much serious trouble and the trucks have essentially paid for themselves but when you add up all the maintenance, high cost of parts and 100 buck an hour shop labour to change a faulty injector or the like (6.0), we can’t justify buying a post emissions truck with the uncertainty surrounding them. We just purchased a 6.2 gas in a f250 and minus the fuel mileage it’s still far more feasible.
Glad the gas truck is working out for you! Thanks for watching!
We have a 2002 Chevy express 3500 5,7 ho gas been towing a 1972 avion for 18 years people are still telling me that I can’t tow with a VAN lol
Lol, that's pretty funny, some people just don't get it! You basically have a 1 ton truck with a van body. Most of the frame/chassis and components are the exact same as a truck. You could probably explain that to people and they still wouldn't understand. Thanks for watching Charlie!
Engine = Same. Transmission = same. Axle = same Frame almost the same. Brakes = same. Just need good mirrors.
Oh wait now the they got this new fangled thing, a rear facing camera and display.
glad i just bought a chevy 2500 4wd gas.21 model 6.6
Heck yeah man! My timing was off on this truck purchase by a year, lol! I've heard great things about the 6.6L. Congrats on the new purchase!
Same just got a ltz gasser. They have made them much more quite than the old ones on the 6.6 gasser. Love it though
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I went gas for all the same reasons. I have a F150, 3.5 ECO and tow a 7500 TT. I've averaged ~10.3 towing over the past 4 years & 30k miles. This is towing over a lot of hills & mtn's in the Pacific NW. I did get 13.5 on two different trips but on pretty flat ground in AZ. Empty I average ~22-24mpg's on the freeway & 17 around town. NEVER a problem going up large hills at 60+ mph (in 3rd gear most of the time, drop to 2nd to pass ).
That's some solid MPG, I've heard that from the Ford ECO. Thanks for the comment and watching Herb!
Good to know.
All very correct 👏 br0 & honestly i kinda miss my 6.0 L.. chevy.. good luck to u in yurr future Dude..
Thanks for the comment and watching!