E9- Tracker-Sidekick Lock Right Locker Install 1512-LR PowerTrax Geo, Suzuki 6.9 Differential Cheap!
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Back on our Budget Build Geo Tracker / Suzuki Sidekick project and today we installed a Powertrax Lock Right Locker (1512-LR) in the rear. Soon we will also be installing this same locker in the front. Installation is relatively the same as the 1532-LR locker except this kit re uses the side spider gears as part of the locker, saving you about $100!
Locker WITHOUT side gears (like I installed in this video)-- amzn.to/2WMAJjN
Locker WITH side gears-- amzn.to/3mUlYGF
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This was a very knowlegable demo and proof you were familiar with all the componenant. Problem is --- we aren't now cause fixed camera position never showed any detail on anything and especially the insides. Obviously you are familiar with what it looks like inside. We aren't. Wife has a Tracker and we live waaay off grid up trails in the mountains in snow. I will look into this locker . I'm a gear head and was sorta able to follow. Thanks Dandahermit
I like how much of this is skill and tricks that can be applied to any real project.
Thank you! 😊
Really enjoy all of your DIY upgrades. Keep them coming. The ease in which you execute the task gives guys like us that little boost of confidence we need to try it our self. New Subscriber!
Thanks! I hope they help!!
With step by step instructions like that you could turn a novice into a pro.
That’s my goal!
We need more tracker videos haha
I don’t know what else to do. It’s so bad ass the way it is, I feel like anything else may make it worse. Lol
Great video! Got my diff on the bench done installing the locker, on a 96 tracker my axles have the wheel studs atrached no 4 screws. you did not mention or see you remove the washers on the sides of the reused gears, do you recall if you used the thin or thick one or both? I cannot fit both it will not let the pins line up to the block. Installed only the think concave one, the manual mentioned the thin one mentioning the "shiny side".
Pins fit perfectly after removing the thicker washer.
Thanks again for the help. Im afraid of installing and doing it twice 😅
If I’m understanding your description correctly, the concave one goes on the outside of the spider gear (the factory washer) and the thin one goes on the inside in between the spider and the lock rite. (The washer that came with the locker ).
Hope that helps.
“Since this is a budget build”…… 😂🤣😂….. like that qualifier matters……. Great tutorial.
lol! 😂🤣😂
Awesome video! Thanks so much for sharing your Lock Right Locker install! I am debating whether or not to put one in mine. Does it seem to work well? I do about 50/50 street/off road traveling. How does it do when you try to make sharp turns in parking lot and off road??
I will be doing a review on it soon, but here’s the summary.
In a 2 door tracker it has some characteristics on the street that feel odd. Sometimes it’s a bit of a pull sensation from a stop, sometimes what feels like bad spider gears.
Parking lot stuff is great. Yes it clicks while turning, but it’s not clunks, it’s clicks. You still have the weird feelings above, but you’ll get used to those.
A longer wheelbase would make the weird feelings less noticeable, as would also an automatic.
Off road, it’s great!
@@DeathTollRacing Great! thanks so much! Lot forward to seeing your review!
I installed this locker on my 96 tracker a year ago. ( Mechanic licensed) I had to remove some of the side gear shims/washers in order to get the pins for the block to go in. Instructions never mentioned that. I see yours went together much easier. Also mine does not unlock when turning and skidding tires. I wish I had manually tested that unit before I got it back into the vehicle. Now I will have to dig into it again to see what's going on...
That is odd. The only thing you could have done is make a mistake with the pins and springs. If not that then I wonder if at some point the diff may have been swapped out with an aftermarket one that may be slightly different??
@@DeathTollRacing I ended up having to shave the pin block down on the lathe, there wasn't enough room for the locker teeth to jump over, reassembled and bench tested, now it works great.
After 1/2 day of brain grinding I finally figured out that the .030 inch side gear thrust washers needed to go back in. Took them out because the pin would not go through the center block. So I had to machine .035 inch off both sides of that center block, now everything fits and works like it should. What was happening is the lock rite 1/4 inch pins were climbing out of their slot, jamming the two plates tight against the side gears making it impossible for the unit to ratchet.
Right on! So glad you digit out!
Im having this issue right now!! I have a thick and a thin washer on either side, used the thin concave one. Am i supposed to use both or the thick one grinded down? They do not both fit.
I am on the same boat! I have .030 thrust and a .007 shim each side. I have attempted to install with just the .007shim did not work. And the thrust is way too thick.. i will remove material from the block...
So I have a truck with a short wheel base.
Your wheel base is shorter than mine.
I was told that lunch box locker tend to NOT open the diff on turns because of the short wheel base.
Have you had any issues with turning corners under power ?
So what it does when you give it throttle in a corner is try to push straight, and you can definitely feel it. It's different feeling for sure, but now than I'm used to it, it's definitely not something that creates issues driving it, just some characteristic's that are different. Assuming your in a Landcruiser by seeing your name, I think you would be okay with it, however you will notice it for sure. And they do click in parking lot turns, so if you want it quiet, that's also a concern.
So I got the rear diff carrier out again and found all pins broken and springs mashed up on the 1512 Lock Rite. Installed new pins and springs and the thing still won't unlock while doing a bench test with the axles. I can easily push the center lock rite half with a small screwdriver and that allows the side gear to rotate but it won't do it on it's own. How is your unit holding out and operating?
Mine is still fine. I beat the crap out of it daily since it's my "farm utv". I really wonder what would be causing that if the pins and springs are in correctly. Sucks man. That's frustrating.
nice little Tracker , i am building a 4Dr on my channel
Awesome! I’ll check it out!
Is this the way the axles come out on all trackers or was there a mod done to keep from taking the whole brake/axle assembly off?
The trackers axle in the video wasn’t modified. You should be able to do it the same way I did.
I bought 2 of these and installed them both into the rears of 2 of my Geo Trackers. On my daily driver, I had no issues. I did the test, it functioned fine. I have been driving it for months, about 100 miles a week. As I turn, i can hear a slight click as the outside wheel overruns the inside. So I know how to do it.
The one in my rock crawler keeps giving me trouble. Just before I left for Moab, I realized the rear was locked solid. I opened it up and found that I had put the pins in the slot and the springs in the hole. I don't know why I did it that way. I know better. So I put it back together the right way, after straightening the springs a little and threw it back into place. Did the test, pressure forward on one wheel and the other ratcheted the other direction. Seemed fine. Halfway through the Moab trip it started clicking louder and louder, getting harder to unlock. Eventually it locked solid and would no longer unlock. As I turned, the tires would chirp and scratch. When I got home and owned it up, I found the pins and springs all broken. I got new parts, cleaned everything up, reassembled but it won't unlock.
That's interesting. I'm guessing that it has to have something to do with the pins and springs or the holes they go in.
it could also be the couplers. I can't find if you can buy the side couplers by themselves, but there may be something wrong with the factory spider gear couplers. amzn.to/3OOfYuI has the couplers with it. You may want to try seeing if you can buy just the couplers from powertrax??
Can you put a link to where I can get that center punch?
Certainly! They are made in this little town called Spokane in Washington state. Only losers live there though. springtools.shptron.com
www.amazon.com/Spring-Tools-50X08-Hammerless-Mechanics/dp/B01N7RT5KZ
Can you do an update video on the locker since you installed it.
Yes. I have one for the front to put in yet. I'm going to have a bit of down time soon, so I can do that. It's still working good in mine so far. It's pretty much only off road, with occasional street driving.
Great video. Do you daily your Tracker on the road? I'm on the fence as my Covid toy has turned into my daily at ~30 mpg :)
I drive it on the road often, but not daily. I probably should start driving it more though with fuel costs. Mine also gets extremely good mileage. I'm not sure what it gets, but I'm constantly bragging at how long it goes on a tank. Mine is mostly in 4 low off road doing tree work, fence mending, etc.
@@DeathTollRacing Thanks. I'm thinking front only for the times I go wheeling as I do daily the vehicle. Looking forward to that video.
@@DeathTollRacing Did you do the front? Also, why the 1512 vs 1532? Took a gamble that the couplers where OK?
@@Meche697 I haven't done the front. I plan on doing a steel center at the same time. My couplers were good. I think usually they are, but you never know.
What are the benefits of the locker 1532 lr with side couplers? Or if any?
This is my first time without the side couplers. I believe there are a few sacrifices without.
1- smoothness. I think it’s a bit smoother with the couplers.
2- longevity. I believe longevity will become an issue at some point. The material of the locker is far superior to that of the side spider gear, and I suspect eventually the spider gear is going to wear out.
bough mine last week 200$ to get it here in canada hope they lock righ lol
Mines still working great. It’s off-road daily, and hasn’t failed me yet!
@@DeathTollRacing good to hear
What is holding the roller pins in and why do you need to use the punch
Roll pins hold themselves in. They are made of spring steel and fit tight in the hole because they are trying to always be a bigger diameter than the hole they are in.
any issues with the lock right on pavement?
You know it’s there, but you get used to it.
So is it a lsd for the geo cause thats really looking for
a very crude lsd, yes. I don't believe any true lsd's are made for it currently. There are lock right, spools, and air lockers. I think that's the only options. The lock right is the closest to a limited slip of the 3. The air locker is obviously the best, but is expensive.
This one will click in parking lots, and feel weird in slow turns when it grabs once you start accelerating. At speed it's not really noticeable.
It’s weird I can’t seem to get mines to unlock…. It just stays locked all day lol I mean it’s not to bad on road driving just a lil noisey around turns 🤣
That is weird. I wonder if one of your side gears broke and jammed it up? I’ve never ran these retaining the stock side gears like I did on this one, but it was one of my concerns with doing it that way.
@@DeathTollRacing I’m thinking about opening her up and checking it out eventually but it’s not really bothering me now lol it gets the job done
Can you give me a hand finding the front and rear lockers for a 2014 Grand Vitara 2.4?
I don't see anything listed for it unfortunately. They are not the same as what I installed, I did confirm that. Sorry I wasn't any more help.
Would it be worth converting a 2wd tracker to 4wd? This one only has 30k miles on it.
I don’t think it would be very hard with a parts car. Or you can make a little hot rod out of it. It’s on my list of future builds…..
@@DeathTollRacing I'll look in to it. See what it's gonna take. Thanks bro
This will work for a 1991 sidekick JLX?
It should absolutely. You should have the same setup as the one in this video.
@@DeathTollRacing nice! Thank you
I wimped out and took it in my local diff shop.
Going to try it out this weekend!
@@blindstudios1082 at least it’s done. Now go enjoy it!!
Bro…when I took my sidekick for a test drive,
Really loud clanks and bangs occurred.
I turned twice in my neighborhood.
I was driving straight and loud pops would continue until my gears would not engage.
(I have a standard) my reverse and 1st gear would not engage and a continuous clicking noise would just keep going until I let off the gas.
Upon opening the diff back up.
I found the mangled tiny springs that came with the locker in the diff and oil pan.
Any idea what happened?
I took my stock diff with the locker in the box to my local diff shop. They did the install.
6.9 differential? Pinion gear : ring gear teeth? Where you find it? The lowest i know 6:35 means 5.8 fg ratio (calmini) and 8:45 means 5.6 fg ratio ('83, 2 door 1.3L carb). Nowhere to find both combo.
6.9 is the ring gear size (in inches). It’s how the gear companies label this gear set, not the ratio.
So it’s a “Suzuki 6.9” differential. Kinda like “Dana 44”, “ford 9”, “ford 8.8”, etc.
Does that make sense?
@@DeathTollRacing thanks for your time to reply sir. I'm not a mechanic anyway. Trying to know any suitable stuff possible about regearing '83 vitara. Good to know you explain gear size in inch, dana type. This is new for me, or maybe tons of vitara lover here in indo. Thanks alot.
@@rhinosaputera4778 I was looking to lower diff ratios on my 96 Tracker instead of going with the transfer case low gear alternative. In high range and tall tires, the engine could use a bit more advantage. Any idea on axle gear ratios available on these units? I was also reading that Suzuki used a cast iron front diff instead of the Geo aluminum one and was wondering if that would be worthy of a swap.
Dam no demo?? WTF?
Next video in the series I believe.