I do like the idea of cutting a small amount, it creates freaks in the divisions which builds hype, I just think it shouldn't be abused by fighters as much as it is. I don't mind fighters coming in 5-10lbs over their division
Watch an average unranked heavyweight fight on the prelims, the UFC’s heavyweight division is still really really bad outside of the top 10. It’s fat blokes without a single bit of muscle definition swinging.
Or an “open weight” class where anyone could complete. Of course it would mainly be massive guys but normal heavyweights could also compete for that belt if they were skilled enough to make up for the size difference.
But because there's such jumps in weight classes this forces bigger weight cuts. For example, if you're 215 and don't like cutting to 185 but feel a little undersized at 205, a 195 class might be perfect for you.
UFC need to make weigh ins year round, If a fighter walks around at 200 he’s not allowed to fight at 170, If a fighter is 170/180 he’s not allowed to weigh in at 155
If a fighter weight cuts year round and is dedicated to fighting at 155 when his natural bodyweight is 170 but he commits to always dieting and being in weigh in shape that’s his choice but I don’t fighters would do that, Also weigh in on fight day, If you weigh significantly more than on official weigh ins you can’t fight
Exactly. Weigh in hrs before the fight to limit how much one can gain after the Friday weigh in. Guys would learn to stay closer to their fighting weight between fights.
@@oxcide5888 No one thinks ONE is better than UFC. And if it is, it’s not because of weight cutting Edit: the guy below me talking about being “deluded” is woefully unaware that ONE fighters get paid Monstrously less than UFC signed talent, like literally 15 hundred bucks to fight… The ONLY metric that ONE beats UFC in, is revenue percentage split, but doesn’t change the fact that they still get payed far less.
@@lanceanthony198 actually a lot of people outside of america do and even fighters have talked about it. But you people have been fed so much advertisement from big daddy Dana that you deluded yourselves into thinking UFC is better. And here I'm not talking about the level of their respective fighters, on that front both org have legends. I'm talking about how the orgs treat their fighters : One pays them more fairly ( Demetrious Johnson is a good exemple on that front), bans weightcutting which is better for short term health and long term (dehydration puts u at higher risk of CTE). I guess i'd just rather watch an org that hosts muay thai on the side rather than one who hosts something as dumb and dangerous for fighters health as slap competitions (paying said slappers a couple hundreds of bucks for something so dangerous is insane btw). But go off king, tell me why the UFC is better ? you're just infatuated with the brand they have created on the back of underpaid fighters.
Weigh ins on the day just leads to fighters dying. It happened in boxing regularly back in the day which is why they moved weigh ins to the day before. Fighters will cut just as much for same day weigh ins and be dehydrated as hell in the fight which can lead to brain damage quickly.
@@wanmanrmymaybe we shouldnt be cutting 40 pounds then if you cant handle it, im sure they train at the weight the walk around at so they should have no problem fighting there too
@@J4D97 the problem is that fighters STILL dehydrated and didn’t fight at an easier weight class, it’s isn’t a hypothetical. There is 60/70 years of evidence in boxing that shows that boxers still drained and fought dehydrated and that it led to a large number of fighters dying.
Not the problem. The problem is weight cutting and guys wanting to jump divisions based on their success or lack of, age, etc. More weight clasees just means more division hopping.
@@huntehrerrhr6581 Having more weight classes won't reduce the problem of people cutting weight. People will still cut weight for the advantage of fighting bigger on the night. It will just give them more options with which to do it but it wont solve the problem.
@@lazarusmv1973Yeah if anything it'll make them cut that extra few pounds they didn't have anyway just to make it to that new division (185 fighter would cut extra now to make 180 or whatever)
This would create too many champions and make the general competition level lower since fighters would be able to pick and choose what weight classes they want to challenge
People cutting 30-40 lbs is ridiculous. I know many people wouldn't like the idea but your weight is where you should fight. What weight class you are in determined by random weight test during the year.
Nah bro that’s just dumb. We don’t have “weight cutting USADA” to do that and even if we did, what if someone who is not a weight bully gets fat and gets randomly tested? They’re screwed now cause they have to fight up a weight class! That would also mean they have to be around their fight weight all year round just in case they get tested. Instead of watching the UFC, we are watching “Weight Watchers” of all sudden.
@@Lucaz99 dont be a professional fighter then. Going from 185 to 150 just to weight in you think is representing that weight class? Not to mention cutting and dehydrating so extreme tons of fighters get heart diseases that the industry dont publicize.
@@thetruthalwaysscary yeah but most people aren’t cutting 30+ pounds, so you’re just punishing everyone for a few “weight bullies”… when weight bullying isn’t really that much of an advantage. It still takes a toll if you’re cutting so much of your weight off your total body weight. Your measure doesn’t even end weight cutting, it’s hard to stay at peak conditioning all year around and what’s gonna happen is instead of doing it that… people will just cut weight to match their recorded weight. Don’t underestimate people’s laziness, even professional fighters lol
@@tylertheimmortal5934 I disagree personally. Maybe in a few years they could add more out of necessity to have more fighters on the roster. But the UFC could easily get bloated
I agree like it logically makes sense but as a fan I don’t want to see or keep up with that many champions and Lord Jesus the amount of triple champ wannabe Pacquiao arse Mfs we would see in MMA
I’m good with adding 165, changing 170 to 175, 195 , and maybe 225 but dont turn it into boxing where there a champion every 3.5 lbs every 5 lbs is too much
165 would be a great idea. Changing 170 to 175 to accommodate is also good. Iffy on 195. Who the hell will fight in 225? There's not enough talent for it, and at the higher weight classes size does have diminishing returns. Smaller LHWs are actually capable of holding their own.
@@TheNEOverse agree that’s why I said “maybe” but the sport is only growing. There are some big people that are 14-20 choosing MMA over other sports right now. Could look wildly different in 5-10 years.
@@MickeyOphelan Not any time soon. Dudes that big and athletic are playing in sports that actually earn them money. If you are a big 6'4 heavyweight dude and you see the disrespect that Francis got, why would you ever see MMA as an option when you could make six figures in NFL.
yeah but there are multiple belts per division in boxing and boxing is like every 5 lbs , Pierra is not 185 that is complete bullshit, you shouldn't fight at a weight you wouldn't be able to love at, if pierra tried to walk around at 185 every day doctors would be pleading with him to add 40 lbs because hed be anerexic
You mean belts? Yeah there is to many belts and weight isnt the issue in boxing. Its the corruption at the top. Different sports with different issues😊
As a boxing fan, this just recreates one of the major issues boxing has - far too many weight classes which waters down the value of championships and it also creates a justification for guys not to fight each other.
@@jlev9513 it’s not that big of a jump considering most guys fighting at 155 likely walk around at 170 naturally anyway. Again, it just recreates boxings issues. If you start adding in a 165 class then fighters will want a 130 lbs weight class, 180 lbs weight class using the same arguments.
Problem isn't number of weight classes, it's cutting weight. IMO they should do a hydration test, and maybe even a body fat % analysis instead. Increases fighter longevity as well.
Yay-- let's get even more bouts that people were going to pay for cancelled. 🙄. How about you just let grown adults decide for themselves how much weight to cut instead of treating them like children that need to be constantly monitored?
@@j.menapace625in any sport people will push their bodies to the extreme to get any advantage, ultimately hurting their performance and the reputation of the sport because every fighter is much bigger than their weight class. These restrictions need to be in place to ensure fair and safe competition
Hydration tests have been proven to not work because their easy to trick with distilled water which doesn’t hydrate you. Instead weighing the day of the fight before they enter the octagon or right after would be safer
I will say something else, "hydration tests are not based on science and are easy to pass". So many nutritionists on the Internet have debunked the ONE hydration test. Just using the eye test, DJ was not the same size as the guy he recently beat.
@@somdutroy was not aware of that, thanks for sharing. Still, i would argue they are closer to the right direction wrt the issue of weight bullying than american boxing and mma promotions are.
@@Bigkahkistan I don't know, man. People will always find a way to gain the slightest of advantages if possible. If you create new restrictions, there will be people who will use science to game the new system. I am of the belief that if you cut more weight, you are also depleting yourself making it a level playing field.
Perfect example of this was, Anthony 'Rumble' Johnson (RIP). When Anthony first got in the UFC, he was fighting at as a welterweight. Once he kept missing weight, he moved up to heavyweight and shined.
They used to do that but it'd way to dangerous because when people cut a lot of weight the chances of getting brain damage because their is less water between the brain and the skull
I do think you need more weight classes for that to be viable, because otherwise there's some people especially in the higher weight classes who simply wouldn't be able to really compete, for example the jump from Light Heavyweight to Lightweight is 15 pounds for each class, that's a ridiculus amount of weight and there's people who end up being too small for their natural division that's why they end up cutting weight
@@lxndon_3854not how things work. Replacements rarely come in at one day notice. There are always back up fighters, and fighters are weighed CONSTANTLY way before weigh ins nowadays.
I saw Pereira in person when I went to a Glory event in which he was fighting. He's a huge dude, and the fact that he's was cutting al the way down to 185 must have been hell for him.
Saw a guy say that weigh ins should be a few hours before the fight which makes way more sense because the fighters will just start skipping 2 classes instead of 1
Ikr it'd just end up being like boxing. I want the middle ground not having a weight class for every 4lbs or whatever it is in boxing maybe have a division every 8 to 10lbs which could maybe go 12 to 16lbs at the higher weight classes.
Exactly why 195/215/225 is a horrible idea the weight classes past 170 are already really limited with good talent. Middleweight has some exciting prospects but it’s still not as stacked as the lower classes. Heavyweight is still obese men for gods sake lmao it needs the athletic guys that could cut to 225 like Cyril Gane and Tom Aspinall who weigh in at like 240-250 without a weight cut
I have been reflecting on the problem of dangerous weight cutting ever since I wrestled in high school and your suggestion is excellent. If you can't maintain the weight long term you do not get to compete at that weight class.
You're on the right track, but that is abusable too. Fight at 145, weigh in at 145. Don't bother cutting weight the next fight, fight at 180 against 145.
@@Schantsman when you fight your fight, they weigh you, then that the weightclass you have to meet for your next fight...if you come 20kg heavier thats a DQ
@@runayswarts970 Oh i got you. OK that could work, but what if you want to go up in weight classes? Seems more complex than it needs to be, you could just weigh in 10 minutes before a fight instead of the day before or whatever garbage they do now.
#1 thing I’d do is only criticize the guys who won’t come on my podcast and point out their weight while never pointing out someone who’s been on my podcast
At lower level weighing is 2 hours before the events and if you don't make it, you get disqualified. That's the way it should be. And believe me, they will all make the weight once it's implemented since if they don't, they won't get paid
Exactly. Same day weigh-ins are actually more common in combat sports. Which means most of the UFC fighters have previous experience with same day weigh-ins. They'd adapt to it quickly. Especially to protect their payday.
If they dont, the UFC will get less paid. Wtf happens if an event is going on with fans in the arena are waiting, and finding out fights are getting called off because if weight? Lmaoo like do yall think at all?
@@ninog9737 Fights already get cancelled at the last minute. If you do same-day weigh ins, fighters will adapt with no issue. Most fighters already have experience with same day weigh-ins. It's actually way more common than the way UFC conducts weigh-ins. As a fighter, if you don't make weight, you don't get paid. That's incentive enough for anyone to make sure they show up ready to fight. Just because you can't imagine things being different doesn't make other people that can stupid. It makes you unoriginal and kind of a dick for no reason.
Just replace the 170 weight class to add a 165, 175 and 195 pound devisions, so there could be more champ champs and to make the pound for pound list finally make some sense.
@@olamidelawal5585so by your logic we should eliminate more weight classes & just have everyone in the same weight class basically. Stupid take, little man.
I think the only thing the UFC needs for weight classes is to add a 165 lb and 195 lb then change welterweight to 175 lb. 10 lb to the next weight class is perfect. Once you get more than that then it would get oversaturated like boxing where a majority of the divisions and fighters are forgotten and talent is spread apart too thin.
You don't wanna see those fights. Athletes are training constantly but when they're not getting ready for a fight, they're drinking, eating whatever and relaxing. Their walking around weight is not in fighting shape. That's why they have fight camps. Fights wouldn't last long cause endurance would be an issue and definitely less action. Don't see a problem with it. Everyone does it and been part of all combat sports, forever.
@davidpignatore6532 yeah the problem is people including kids are dying from it. If everyone's fight weight is their walking around weight everyone will be on the same platform and dangerous and deadly weight cutting won't need to happen.
@@matthewIhorn are more children dying from it? I honestly don't know. That's horrible and sadly, that's on the parents and coaches. No athlete is in shape all year long and alot of weight is lost just from the training camp. Everyone holds water differently. I've lost 6lbs in an hour before wrestling and jiu-jitsu. I'm 5'4 and walk around 200lbs, with abs. I had to go to 180lbs for cage fight cause the height and reach difference and cardio. I had to cut. I think it depends on the individual and how they hold weight and if they have any to cut. Even some heavyweights have to cut to make weight. I'm so used to it but its weird what you can get used to.
@davidpignatore6532 not only the death issues but also damage to the body. Fighters cutting water weight literally put themselves on IV's many complaining they are gassed for fights because of weight cut. If you devised a system that supported athletes being at a sustainable weight all year, you'd see less crash dieting and deaths and an over all better product in the ring, because the fighters don't put back on 15 pounds of water weight between the weigh ins and fight night.
Not only would it allow for fighters to fight at their natural weight, it would eliminate a lot of the brutal weight cuts we see fighters put themselves through.
Scrap 170. Add 165, 175, and 225. Remove the weight limit on Heavyweight or add a 266+ Super Heavyweight division. Most of the issues are around the LW to WW and LHW to HW.
no point in superheavy. The same guys would compete just more out of shape. No more weight classes, if anything they should be reduced. There should be one 150 lbs class instead of 145 and 155 and then 130 .
People have to remember that it’s not just about who you draft, but how you develop and use them. We sucked at using and developing WR. Hopefully this new coaching staff can turn Polk into a true number 1.
They don't need to add more weight classes. They just need to make weight cutting illegal and introduce hydration tests. Make them weigh in and take a hydration test hours before the fight and people will be fighting in their real weight class.
@@jesustitan-qf9un too many belts too many champions. People care less. It never helped boxing. This is not the kind of thing that makes the sport better. It is the same as how pro wrestling nerds have their opinions that end up making a worse less attractive product for the public. Even more champions that end up not having any fan connection or making any money because they don't sell cards making the sport look bad. All the extra belt noise muddies the water for the guys that actually move the needle.
@@jesustitan-qf9undude, we are BLESSED with so many super fights, this would happen way less often if the top guys are all spread out in different divisions.. like cmon man I know your not that dense lol making more divisions is splitting the talent level up
There’s no way you’re an actual fan of the sport if you think the deepest division in the sport should be cut. Even unranked 135ers put on better fights than most of what you see out of 185 and above
Adding more weight classes would not only dilute the strength of the individual classes but I think it would promote even more dangerous cuts fighters thinking they can cut that extra 10lbs to get that advantage
Idk y but this had me think about the weigh in for Nate Diaz and Jake Paul. Diaz was a 155 fighter in MMA and Jake Paul is usually over 200 and he had to cut nearly 20 pounds. Cut that much weight just shouldnt be a thing. yes for an acting roll not for a Xtremely physical sport!! Its like Conor McGregor should be a 180-190lb dude but he cut down to 145 ...jeezus he looked scary but like a crack head or homeless dude on pcp
Get rid of weight classes and make people fight within a weight range like we do at heavyweight. Stop weight cuts more than 4 to 9 lbs, depending on your size.
Heavyweight and a Super-heavyweight absolutely need to be implemented!!!! I'm 6'3 and weight 220 comfortably. And it wouldn't be natural for me to cut down to make light heavyweight... The fact that guys of my stature would have to fight other heavyweights that are 250lbs+!!!! That makes no damn sense.
I’d like to see a mix of restrictions on weight cutting (a la ONE FC, with a hydration test + a cap on dehydration - 5% max of walking weight) and a weight class every 10 pounds…I think that will open up some interesting matchups and possibilities in the heavier weight classes… it would go 125,135,145,155(same as today) plus 165, 175, 185, 195, 205, 215 and 215+ That would create 3 new weight classes and give guys opportunities… someone that walks at 200lbs, with some dieting and just a slight dehydration could compete in good terms at 185, 195 and 205… A guy like Pereira, that walks around 225-230, could compete at 195, 205 and 215…that would be really nice
#1 should be weigh ins 2 hours before fighting
No more cutting
I do like the idea of cutting a small amount, it creates freaks in the divisions which builds hype, I just think it shouldn't be abused by fighters as much as it is. I don't mind fighters coming in 5-10lbs over their division
thats very dangerous and an uneducated take dont speak when you dont know what your talking about
@@law4546please elaborate.
If it does happen. Colby covington will be the welterweight champion
@law4546 so your take is starving and severly dehydrating yourself is safer than not starving and not severly dehydrating yourself?
I wanna see the walrus dudes fight. We need a ultra heavy weight class 255+
Watch those old Japanese open weight tournaments lol
Watch an average unranked heavyweight fight on the prelims, the UFC’s heavyweight division is still really really bad outside of the top 10. It’s fat blokes without a single bit of muscle definition swinging.
*265+
Or an “open weight” class where anyone could complete. Of course it would mainly be massive guys but normal heavyweights could also compete for that belt if they were skilled enough to make up for the size difference.
Lol
Problem isn't the amount of weight classes, it's the fighters want to fight in lighter weight classes by cutting
But because there's such jumps in weight classes this forces bigger weight cuts.
For example, if you're 215 and don't like cutting to 185 but feel a little undersized at 205, a 195 class might be perfect for you.
UFC need to make weigh ins year round, If a fighter walks around at 200 he’s not allowed to fight at 170, If a fighter is 170/180 he’s not allowed to weigh in at 155
If a fighter weight cuts year round and is dedicated to fighting at 155 when his natural bodyweight is 170 but he commits to always dieting and being in weigh in shape that’s his choice but I don’t fighters would do that, Also weigh in on fight day, If you weigh significantly more than on official weigh ins you can’t fight
How about one size fits all, and we just paint it red with no rules.
How is that a problem? They are sacrificing stamina for size...
When they enter the octagon, they should be the same weight they were for the weigh ins. No gaining 40 pounds before fighting.
Yup! Weight should be taken a week before the fight and you you've gotta be within a few percent on the day itself.
@@Cubeforc3 no lol, they should be stepping on the scale no more than a few hours before the cage doors let them in
@@juter1122 They're gonna fight malnourished, exhausted, and dehydrated?
@@spongeebobsquaretypants2270 or they could not and fight in a higher weight class? 🤯
@@maytricks3969Crazy right?😂
People will still be weight bullies, they'd just drop two weight classes instead of one lmao
Yup
Exactly. Weigh in hrs before the fight to limit how much one can gain after the Friday weigh in. Guys would learn to stay closer to their fighting weight between fights.
Have two weigh ins and days apart
@@JJ-zr6fu why two?
@@WestCoastAce27that would be dangerous, because people would still cut weight and being that dehydrated can be dangerous in fighting.
Regardless of how many weight classes you make people will always cut weight to have an advantage
not if u ban cutting, this is why One is better than UFC imo
@@oxcide5888 No one thinks ONE is better than UFC. And if it is, it’s not because of weight cutting
Edit: the guy below me talking about being “deluded” is woefully unaware that ONE fighters get paid Monstrously less than UFC signed talent, like literally 15 hundred bucks to fight… The ONLY metric that ONE beats UFC in, is revenue percentage split, but doesn’t change the fact that they still get payed far less.
@@lanceanthony198 actually a lot of people outside of america do and even fighters have talked about it. But you people have been fed so much advertisement from big daddy Dana that you deluded yourselves into thinking UFC is better. And here I'm not talking about the level of their respective fighters, on that front both org have legends. I'm talking about how the orgs treat their fighters : One pays them more fairly ( Demetrious Johnson is a good exemple on that front), bans weightcutting which is better for short term health and long term (dehydration puts u at higher risk of CTE). I guess i'd just rather watch an org that hosts muay thai on the side rather than one who hosts something as dumb and dangerous for fighters health as slap competitions (paying said slappers a couple hundreds of bucks for something so dangerous is insane btw). But go off king, tell me why the UFC is better ? you're just infatuated with the brand they have created on the back of underpaid fighters.
@@lanceanthony198I don’t think you saw the “imo”
@@lanceanthony198One is going crazy bro there’s way more competition in that org than UFC rn Rodtang and Superlek was fuckin goated 😂
they should get their weight tested before the fight in an hour not a day 😅
Weigh ins on the day just leads to fighters dying. It happened in boxing regularly back in the day which is why they moved weigh ins to the day before. Fighters will cut just as much for same day weigh ins and be dehydrated as hell in the fight which can lead to brain damage quickly.
@@wanmanrmy But more fighters would start fighting at a weight they can fight comfortably at they wouldn’t fight completely weight drained
@@wanmanrmymaybe we shouldnt be cutting 40 pounds then if you cant handle it, im sure they train at the weight the walk around at so they should have no problem fighting there too
@@wanmanrmythat’s their problem.
@@J4D97 the problem is that fighters STILL dehydrated and didn’t fight at an easier weight class, it’s isn’t a hypothetical. There is 60/70 years of evidence in boxing that shows that boxers still drained and fought dehydrated and that it led to a large number of fighters dying.
The bongo sounds bruh💀
Get a life. Stop scrolling CZcams. I’d almost bet my house you been scrolling all day just random shit. Get a life or just watch your life waste away.
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Killed me reading this then hearing the bongo soubf again
I have that sound fx as my message notification 💀
That sound always kills me 😂
Not the problem. The problem is weight cutting and guys wanting to jump divisions based on their success or lack of, age, etc. More weight clasees just means more division hopping.
His point is it will reduce the weight cutting problem as divisions are closer together then weight advantage will be smaller
Nvm I changed my mind U right
@@huntehrerrhr6581 That good good. Just cause he's an influencer it doesn't make him right. We are the opinion. Thanks brother.
@@huntehrerrhr6581 Having more weight classes won't reduce the problem of people cutting weight. People will still cut weight for the advantage of fighting bigger on the night. It will just give them more options with which to do it but it wont solve the problem.
@@lazarusmv1973Yeah if anything it'll make them cut that extra few pounds they didn't have anyway just to make it to that new division (185 fighter would cut extra now to make 180 or whatever)
This would create too many champions and make the general competition level lower since fighters would be able to pick and choose what weight classes they want to challenge
Not really.
They are already doing that xd
Boxing perfectly explains my point
I’d agree, but for the casuals it would be way too confusing to keep up with each weight class.
I’m fairly certain it’s higher the competition as they’d all be healthier and full of more energy with better stamina lol
Not the bonks on jiri 😭😂
Double bonk 😂
Uncalled for 😂😂
People cutting 30-40 lbs is ridiculous. I know many people wouldn't like the idea but your weight is where you should fight. What weight class you are in determined by random weight test during the year.
Nah bro that’s just dumb. We don’t have “weight cutting USADA” to do that and even if we did, what if someone who is not a weight bully gets fat and gets randomly tested? They’re screwed now cause they have to fight up a weight class!
That would also mean they have to be around their fight weight all year round just in case they get tested. Instead of watching the UFC, we are watching “Weight Watchers” of all sudden.
@@Lucaz99 dont be a professional fighter then. Going from 185 to 150 just to weight in you think is representing that weight class? Not to mention cutting and dehydrating so extreme tons of fighters get heart diseases that the industry dont publicize.
@@thetruthalwaysscary yeah but most people aren’t cutting 30+ pounds, so you’re just punishing everyone for a few “weight bullies”… when weight bullying isn’t really that much of an advantage. It still takes a toll if you’re cutting so much of your weight off your total body weight.
Your measure doesn’t even end weight cutting, it’s hard to stay at peak conditioning all year around and what’s gonna happen is instead of doing it that… people will just cut weight to match their recorded weight.
Don’t underestimate people’s laziness, even professional fighters lol
We don’t need more weight classes. “Every 5 pounds” sounds like a nightmare
Probably, but can we at least agree that we need a 190 to a 195 weight class? 😂
@@tylertheimmortal5934 I disagree personally. Maybe in a few years they could add more out of necessity to have more fighters on the roster. But the UFC could easily get bloated
I agree like it logically makes sense but as a fan I don’t want to see or keep up with that many champions and Lord Jesus the amount of triple champ wannabe Pacquiao arse Mfs we would see in MMA
@@Idkchangethislater Exactly. Also Joe Rogan doesn’t realize that more weight class increments would make weight cutting even worse
There should be a weight class every 10 pounds
I’m good with adding 165, changing 170 to 175, 195 , and maybe 225 but dont turn it into boxing where there a champion every 3.5 lbs every 5 lbs is too much
165 and 175 lbs are enough imo. The talent pool is not deep enough for 195 and 225 lbs divisions.
165 would be a great idea. Changing 170 to 175 to accommodate is also good. Iffy on 195.
Who the hell will fight in 225? There's not enough talent for it, and at the higher weight classes size does have diminishing returns. Smaller LHWs are actually capable of holding their own.
@@TheNEOverse agree that’s why I said “maybe” but the sport is only growing. There are some big people that are 14-20 choosing MMA over other sports right now. Could look wildly different in 5-10 years.
@@MickeyOphelan Not any time soon. Dudes that big and athletic are playing in sports that actually earn them money.
If you are a big 6'4 heavyweight dude and you see the disrespect that Francis got, why would you ever see MMA as an option when you could make six figures in NFL.
@@JSamad I would be good with changing 185 to 190
Pereira making 185 has always blown my mind
People should fight at the weight they fight at,not what they were the day before
Joe: We need more weight classes in MMA
Also Joe: There are too many weight classes and titles in boxing
hes never said that.
He did
He's not talking about boxing here but MMA. Full video on CZcams
yeah but there are multiple belts per division in boxing and boxing is like every 5 lbs , Pierra is not 185 that is complete bullshit, you shouldn't fight at a weight you wouldn't be able to love at, if pierra tried to walk around at 185 every day doctors would be pleading with him to add 40 lbs because hed be anerexic
You mean belts? Yeah there is to many belts and weight isnt the issue in boxing. Its the corruption at the top. Different sports with different issues😊
As a boxing fan, this just recreates one of the major issues boxing has - far too many weight classes which waters down the value of championships and it also creates a justification for guys not to fight each other.
We’re not asking for a weight class every 5 lbs. But the Jump from 155 to 170 is silly.
Should have a 165lbs weight class at least
@@jlev9513 it’s not that big of a jump considering most guys fighting at 155 likely walk around at 170 naturally anyway. Again, it just recreates boxings issues. If you start adding in a 165 class then fighters will want a 130 lbs weight class, 180 lbs weight class using the same arguments.
Real
@@jlev9513I don't think that 170lbs man has lots of advantage against 165 lbs man.
Facts.🎉
Problem isn't number of weight classes, it's cutting weight. IMO they should do a hydration test, and maybe even a body fat % analysis instead. Increases fighter longevity as well.
there have been some deaths in boxing because of people cutting and dehydrating themselves making themselves more vulnerable to brain damage
Not bodyfat, loads of fighters are at their best when they are lean
@@fionnhogan5328 you don’t understand body fat percentages, even “lean” these guys are 6-8% body fat
@@AsianNIGMA I don't understand
I just love the “bonk” sound effect they add to those hits. Gets me everytime
We should have mandatory hydration test during weigh-ins
Yay-- let's get even more bouts that people were going to pay for cancelled. 🙄.
How about you just let grown adults decide for themselves how much weight to cut instead of treating them like children that need to be constantly monitored?
@@j.menapace625in any sport people will push their bodies to the extreme to get any advantage, ultimately hurting their performance and the reputation of the sport because every fighter is much bigger than their weight class. These restrictions need to be in place to ensure fair and safe competition
Hydration tests have been proven to not work because their easy to trick with distilled water which doesn’t hydrate you. Instead weighing the day of the fight before they enter the octagon or right after would be safer
Hydration test is not a real thing.
The test is easy to pass. One fc just does it for exhibition purposes.
@@j.menapace625 bro cares about people losing money more than the fighters damaging their organs and health
Say it with me now, “HYDRATION TESTS”
You mean they would need to be at a certain hydration level? Is that to rule out just shedding a shit ton of water weight?
@@At76812 yeah, like in ONEFC they have to piss test before weigh-ins and if they can’t produce enough or it isnt clear enough, they’re disqualified.
I will say something else, "hydration tests are not based on science and are easy to pass".
So many nutritionists on the Internet have debunked the ONE hydration test. Just using the eye test, DJ was not the same size as the guy he recently beat.
@@somdutroy was not aware of that, thanks for sharing. Still, i would argue they are closer to the right direction wrt the issue of weight bullying than american boxing and mma promotions are.
@@Bigkahkistan I don't know, man. People will always find a way to gain the slightest of advantages if possible. If you create new restrictions, there will be people who will use science to game the new system. I am of the belief that if you cut more weight, you are also depleting yourself making it a level playing field.
Perfect example of this was, Anthony 'Rumble' Johnson (RIP). When Anthony first got in the UFC, he was fighting at as a welterweight. Once he kept missing weight, he moved up to heavyweight and shined.
Imagine a 400 lb category
For me there should be no changes in weight classes but weightins should be right before the fight
They used to do that but it'd way to dangerous because when people cut a lot of weight the chances of getting brain damage because their is less water between the brain and the skull
Hydration tests are where it’s at
Right answer. Or hydration tests
@@user-jt7th3ej4ntheir fault, they starved themselves? Then they bare the consequences.
I do think you need more weight classes for that to be viable, because otherwise there's some people especially in the higher weight classes who simply wouldn't be able to really compete, for example the jump from Light Heavyweight to Lightweight is 15 pounds for each class, that's a ridiculus amount of weight and there's people who end up being too small for their natural division that's why they end up cutting weight
That and also weight in could be done right before a fight to prevent weight cutting
Only problem is if they aren’t at the weight they should be at right before the fight, there’s no time to get a replacement
@@lxndon_3854They should get a fine for missing weight then. Maybe a pay cut or 0 ppv points
We gonna cancel the fight when the fans already bought the tickets? That's when the only safe place is inside the cage😂
Yes, this comment!
@@lxndon_3854not how things work. Replacements rarely come in at one day notice.
There are always back up fighters, and fighters are weighed CONSTANTLY way before weigh ins nowadays.
I saw Pereira in person when I went to a Glory event in which he was fighting. He's a huge dude, and the fact that he's was cutting al the way down to 185 must have been hell for him.
Saw a guy say that weigh ins should be a few hours before the fight which makes way more sense because the fighters will just start skipping 2 classes instead of 1
"So tell us, what u did differently to make it to super teacup featherfly middle bantamstraw lightweight division?"
"Take shits before weigh ins"
Lol
Ikr it'd just end up being like boxing. I want the middle ground not having a weight class for every 4lbs or whatever it is in boxing maybe have a division every 8 to 10lbs which could maybe go 12 to 16lbs at the higher weight classes.
I had to hold it in to achieve that weight class.
Sounds like a good way to decrease the talent pool in each weight class lmao
Innit
Exactly why 195/215/225 is a horrible idea the weight classes past 170 are already really limited with good talent. Middleweight has some exciting prospects but it’s still not as stacked as the lower classes. Heavyweight is still obese men for gods sake lmao it needs the athletic guys that could cut to 225 like Cyril Gane and Tom Aspinall who weigh in at like 240-250 without a weight cut
Yeah this is an awful idea
Yup, we'd get wayyyyyyyy less super fights that we've been spoiled with
@@ninog9737how
I been saying this for years. Weigh them once a month and the average weight over the year is the weight they fight at. No more cuts
I have been reflecting on the problem of dangerous weight cutting ever since I wrestled in high school and your suggestion is excellent. If you can't maintain the weight long term you do not get to compete at that weight class.
Or just check their fuckin hydration status, what they have in blood and how much they lose through kidneys (pissing).
This is actually a good idea
"Pereira is so huge", Well everyone looks tall to you Joe Rogan.
Pereira is like 6ft5 so he's pretty big
Joe Rogan is like 4,9@@CarlosGonzalez-xv5mx
The bonk at the end 😂😂
I would weigh them immediately after a fight and that's their weight class for their next fight
So fights fight a year later and 20kg heavier?
You're on the right track, but that is abusable too. Fight at 145, weigh in at 145. Don't bother cutting weight the next fight, fight at 180 against 145.
@krugerstan no if you fight at 145, that's the weight you'll have to meet for next fight, so if you come 180 to next fight thats a DQ
@@Schantsman when you fight your fight, they weigh you, then that the weightclass you have to meet for your next fight...if you come 20kg heavier thats a DQ
@@runayswarts970 Oh i got you. OK that could work, but what if you want to go up in weight classes? Seems more complex than it needs to be, you could just weigh in 10 minutes before a fight instead of the day before or whatever garbage they do now.
#1 thing I’d do is only criticize the guys who won’t come on my podcast and point out their weight while never pointing out someone who’s been on my podcast
He just cited the guy in front of him as rhe first example
this is one of the best takes of all time there’s huge people fighting way above weight because of weight cutting
It would do nothing to stop that though. All you'd get is more Weight Bullies.
Make them walk the scale on the way to the cage and you'll see the weight bullying stop
Wrong, scrap weight classes entirely and may the best man win!
Lmaooo.
So basically just the heavyweights would be good. Add rehydration clauses.
You’ve been watching too much Baki
😂
And let woman fight with men
More weight classes doesn't solve the problem of weight cutting.
3 random weight checks over a period of a month. Then the UFC gets to decide what weight you fight.
The ending ☠️
At lower level weighing is 2 hours before the events and if you don't make it, you get disqualified. That's the way it should be. And believe me, they will all make the weight once it's implemented since if they don't, they won't get paid
Exactly. Same day weigh-ins are actually more common in combat sports. Which means most of the UFC fighters have previous experience with same day weigh-ins. They'd adapt to it quickly. Especially to protect their payday.
thats dangerous.
@@markekar6021 Ure just repeating someone else words without thinking, don't you?
If they dont, the UFC will get less paid. Wtf happens if an event is going on with fans in the arena are waiting, and finding out fights are getting called off because if weight? Lmaoo like do yall think at all?
@@ninog9737 Fights already get cancelled at the last minute. If you do same-day weigh ins, fighters will adapt with no issue. Most fighters already have experience with same day weigh-ins. It's actually way more common than the way UFC conducts weigh-ins.
As a fighter, if you don't make weight, you don't get paid. That's incentive enough for anyone to make sure they show up ready to fight. Just because you can't imagine things being different doesn't make other people that can stupid. It makes you unoriginal and kind of a dick for no reason.
As a wrestler that started out at 200lbs and cut to 138, I look huge but don’t weight as much as I look. That’s most ufc fighters today
There's so many divisions we can't tell who the Ultimate Fighter in the Championship is anymore.
Just replace the 170 weight class to add a 165, 175 and 195 pound devisions, so there could be more champ champs and to make the pound for pound list finally make some sense.
And disperse the absolutely stacked LW division. There's so much talent there, shit will still be competitive.
Remove 170 and add 165 and 175
That's why boxing sucks now
@@olamidelawal5585so by your logic we should eliminate more weight classes & just have everyone in the same weight class basically. Stupid take, little man.
@@olamidelawal5585 Boxing sucks because of all the 5lbs differences between weight classes along with all the promotions.
165 is a great idea.
10 lbs difference in classes... yeah great idea...
@@yno7396I never said that tho with your silly attitude
The sound of Poatan's punches on Jiri got me dead 😂😂😂😂
the sound in the end got me
I think the only thing the UFC needs for weight classes is to add a 165 lb and 195 lb then change welterweight to 175 lb. 10 lb to the next weight class is perfect. Once you get more than that then it would get oversaturated like boxing where a majority of the divisions and fighters are forgotten and talent is spread apart too thin.
With less weight classes, it tightens the heard, and gets more potential fights and talent facing each other.
Those knocks at the ending was funny
Them Donkey Kong punches at the end 🤣👍🏻
Year-round weight-ins only way you can't cheat the system. The highest weight you post in the year is your division.
You don't wanna see those fights. Athletes are training constantly but when they're not getting ready for a fight, they're drinking, eating whatever and relaxing. Their walking around weight is not in fighting shape. That's why they have fight camps. Fights wouldn't last long cause endurance would be an issue and definitely less action. Don't see a problem with it. Everyone does it and been part of all combat sports, forever.
@davidpignatore6532 yeah the problem is people including kids are dying from it. If everyone's fight weight is their walking around weight everyone will be on the same platform and dangerous and deadly weight cutting won't need to happen.
@@matthewIhorn are more children dying from it? I honestly don't know. That's horrible and sadly, that's on the parents and coaches. No athlete is in shape all year long and alot of weight is lost just from the training camp. Everyone holds water differently. I've lost 6lbs in an hour before wrestling and jiu-jitsu. I'm 5'4 and walk around 200lbs, with abs. I had to go to 180lbs for cage fight cause the height and reach difference and cardio. I had to cut. I think it depends on the individual and how they hold weight and if they have any to cut. Even some heavyweights have to cut to make weight. I'm so used to it but its weird what you can get used to.
@davidpignatore6532 not only the death issues but also damage to the body. Fighters cutting water weight literally put themselves on IV's many complaining they are gassed for fights because of weight cut. If you devised a system that supported athletes being at a sustainable weight all year, you'd see less crash dieting and deaths and an over all better product in the ring, because the fighters don't put back on 15 pounds of water weight between the weigh ins and fight night.
@@matthewIhorn maybe check weights at end of fight camp, when in shape and lose a few lbs just from training more but before dehydration.
#1 thing I would do is paying the fighter decent money
The bonks at the end are hilarious
Not only would it allow for fighters to fight at their natural weight, it would eliminate a lot of the brutal weight cuts we see fighters put themselves through.
Scrap 170. Add 165, 175, and 225. Remove the weight limit on Heavyweight or add a 266+ Super Heavyweight division. Most of the issues are around the LW to WW and LHW to HW.
266+ titan weight
no point in superheavy. The same guys would compete just more out of shape. No more weight classes, if anything they should be reduced. There should be one 150 lbs class instead of 145 and 155 and then 130 .
They should just weigh fighters along the year unannounced like a drug test and place them in wtv class they fit in with their normal weight
People have to remember that it’s not just about who you draft, but how you develop and use them. We sucked at using and developing WR. Hopefully this new coaching staff can turn Polk into a true number 1.
They don't need to add more weight classes. They just need to make weight cutting illegal and introduce hydration tests. Make them weigh in and take a hydration test hours before the fight and people will be fighting in their real weight class.
An example of a fan perspective that would harm sport profitability.
How would it harm sport profitability? this is an example of a bold statement with nothing to back it up.
@@jesustitan-qf9un too many belts too many champions. People care less. It never helped boxing. This is not the kind of thing that makes the sport better.
It is the same as how pro wrestling nerds have their opinions that end up making a worse less attractive product for the public. Even more champions that end up not having any fan connection or making any money because they don't sell cards making the sport look bad.
All the extra belt noise muddies the water for the guys that actually move the needle.
@@katlynklassen809 Okay
@@katlynklassen809 they should just call them.heavyweights lol
@@jesustitan-qf9undude, we are BLESSED with so many super fights, this would happen way less often if the top guys are all spread out in different divisions.. like cmon man I know your not that dense lol making more divisions is splitting the talent level up
Anything under 150 lbs should be called twinkweight
I know "twinks" who could embarrass you
Why
That donk donk noise is so funny it gets me everytime 🤣
The head bonk sounds get me every time, fucking love it.
They definetly need a 165 division
125, 135 divisions should be removed and 2 new weight classes above 155 should be introduced
Why remove flyweight and bantamweight? Just get rid of 170 and add 165 and 175
125 maybe. But 135??? Nah
Getting rid of the second most stacked div is crazy
There’s no way you’re an actual fan of the sport if you think the deepest division in the sport should be cut. Even unranked 135ers put on better fights than most of what you see out of 185 and above
@@nev12345678910
125 is too small and irrelevant. 135 should move up to 145 and make it more stacked
The sound effects at the end 😂
More weight classes won't really solve the problem of cutting weight.
Adding more weight classes would not only dilute the strength of the individual classes but I think it would promote even more dangerous cuts fighters thinking they can cut that extra 10lbs to get that advantage
Losing weight for the weigh in and regaining it before the fight should be considered cheating
That’s a bad idea, weight cutting would still be extreme and fights would be harder to make
the cartoon SFX at the end hahhahahah
He was right about alex fighting better higher up
Heavyweight shouldn't have a limit imo. Like boxing
When youre worried youre no match for people in your weight class, cut like no tomorrow
The end with those sounds😂😂😂
Joe looking like a kid going to schools next to Pereira hahaha
They should do something similar to ONE FC where they assign fighters a weight class based on their walk around weight
100% Joe Rogan should run the entire show
Idk y but this had me think about the weigh in for Nate Diaz and Jake Paul. Diaz was a 155 fighter in MMA and Jake Paul is usually over 200 and he had to cut nearly 20 pounds. Cut that much weight just shouldnt be a thing. yes for an acting roll not for a Xtremely physical sport!! Its like Conor McGregor should be a 180-190lb dude but he cut down to 145 ...jeezus he looked scary but like a crack head or homeless dude on pcp
Get rid of weight classes and make people fight within a weight range like we do at heavyweight. Stop weight cuts more than 4 to 9 lbs, depending on your size.
More weight classes just means more people seeking double champ, triple champ, quadruple champ status
He didn’t want more weight classes until his friend Izzy started losing weight
I'd rather see the weigh in be inside the octagon. "Okay both of you hit weight, let's get the scale out of here and start round 1."
Heavyweight and a Super-heavyweight absolutely need to be implemented!!!!
I'm 6'3 and weight 220 comfortably. And it wouldn't be natural for me to cut down to make light heavyweight...
The fact that guys of my stature would have to fight other heavyweights that are 250lbs+!!!! That makes no damn sense.
Weigh ins on fight day would change the game and make it fair
Weigh in close to the fight so a weight cut negates the effect of being dydrated
Alex would have like 5 title defenses simultaneously
That and the time you “weigh in” is the moment you step in the ring
I’d like to see a mix of restrictions on weight cutting (a la ONE FC, with a hydration test + a cap on dehydration - 5% max of walking weight) and a weight class every 10 pounds…I think that will open up some interesting matchups and possibilities in the heavier weight classes… it would go 125,135,145,155(same as today) plus 165, 175, 185, 195, 205, 215 and 215+
That would create 3 new weight classes and give guys opportunities… someone that walks at 200lbs, with some dieting and just a slight dehydration could compete in good terms at 185, 195 and 205…
A guy like Pereira, that walks around 225-230, could compete at 195, 205 and 215…that would be really nice
I agree. I’ve always said that 185lbers look like heavyweights. Man, I miss open weight fights.
It's not weight classes, it's weight cutting.
This would create soo many weight classes that the talent pool will be all over the place. A division may end up only having like 4-6 fighters
Two weigh ins:
First: 24 hours before the fight
Second: Day of the fight
Alex standing next to Rogan 😂😂
Joe wants a weight class for bears, i just know it
Those fuckin bonk sounds 😂😂
Wow Alex looks enormous next to Joe didn't realise he was that tall 6 4" killer 💪💪💪
Love him or hate him Colby Covington is the only fighter with this mindset
Weigh in an hour before the fight.
the ending lmaooo