Is this the Ultimate AM4 Upgrade?
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- čas přidán 12. 06. 2024
- So you are looking for an AM4 upgrade for gaming. Is AM5 a good option? Maybe not because right now the AM4 CPU prices for the Ryzen 7 5800X3D and Ryzen 5 5600X are the lowest they've ever been.
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2:26 - The Ultimate Upgrade for GAMING?
3:21 - 1440p Gaming Benchmarks
4:50 - Understanding FUTURE GPU Upgrades
5:42 - 4K Gaming Benchmarks
6:54 - Ray Tracing Performance
7:22 - A Drop in Upgrade....EXCEPT
8:09 - 5800X3D, Its Place Right Now
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5800x3D is the epic gaming conclusion to a legendary platform
AMD still plans on releasing other CPUs for the AM4 platform btw. There was a leaked roadmap showing sometime in 2023, AMD plans on pushing out more 3D V-cache chips. Lisa even stated in the RX 7000 reveal that AM4 will continue on for a long time.
I managed to snag a 4090 for my becket list PC and I’m going to “downgrade” my 5950x for a 5800x3d
@Astariol It's odd because it sounds like a downgrade, but it's actually a massive improvement. Although I think the 4090 was a mistake tbh since more and more cases of melted 16 pin connections are surfacing. Even the new PCIe 3.0 PSUs that come with these 16 pin connectors by default are melting. So it's not a Nvidia problem, but a spec flaw.
The wattage/frame is best in class.
Until the 7800x3D comes out
The 5800x3D is the 2600k of this generation.
I just upgraded from a 3700x and I'm very impressed.
Jupp. this chip will perform great down the line
Exactly what I am about to do. My "final" upgrade for my rig is 5800X3D and RX6900XT with no other changes (I might retire my current PSU too). Then I'm done for a few years.
May i know what gpu you were pairing it with? I have a 3700x and am looking to buy a 6800 or maybe one of the next gen cards that havent been announced. Playing at 1440p so im not sure if the purchase would be justified
@@tofuteh2348 i play 1440p UW, with 6800xt + 5600x .. 144fps in every game :) all ultra (shadows Medium) :)
2600k wasnt the end of that socket, and 3770k had a solid 15% advantage on stock, and i personally ran it stable at 4.8ghz for 7 years, others achieved stable 5.2ghz with delid
Can confirm. Had a 5800x and while trying to diagnose a WHEA/Black Screen error I picked up a 5800x3D and was surprised at the improvement across the board. Every game especially those CPU intensive games felt like I had an entire system upgrade. This makes me feel like I can sit on this processor upgrade for a few years and sit out the first or even 2nd generation of AM5.
In what type of games did you the most notable differences? Also is the 5800x3D easier to cool or its about the same as the 5800x?
I have a gold sample 5800x. I still don't see the need for this unless you game at 1080 and never have your gpu above 95% utilized, because after that, it doesn't really gain anything
will the 5800x3D be good at 1440p gaming cause i was going to upgrade from a ryzen 7 2700 to it?
@@sausage5774 i've owned a 2700x, 3800x and 5800x. Yes, you will notice a MASSIVE difference. Do it.
@@Vantastic4thewin I'll give you a great example: I upgraded from a 5600X to the 5800X3D and even with a 3070, my frame rate doubled in Ark Survival Evolved around my base and others' heavily built up areas. Granted thats a super unoptimized game. Like a literal travesty, but another good one is Total War games, especially in the heavy large scale multiplayer or late game single player battles on Extreme Unit sizes. You can be running 10k to 20k soldiers sometimes and chug down to a halt. But my 5800X3D just soldiers on without barely flinching.
I don't really see any big differences in games like Dying Light 2 or Assassin's Creed games, but where the CPU really matters, the 3D v cache shines so much more than these reviewers are showing off in their benchmarks.
The thing is everyone is now waiting for a x3D chip from the 7000 series. AMD really made this 5800x3D "too good"
Eh. 5800x3D was the solution to DDR5 and the socket change. There are people that are going to buy a 7600x system and wait in line to get a x3d chip ASAP. (due to 5800x3d)
People doing work are fine with 7950x and go that rough and do not care about 5800x3d. And there big market of AM4 users have had allot of options to upgrade for many years. If not to 5000 then they do it when 5800x3d launched. And if not AM5 then people still on AM4 upgrade to 5000. If not for 5800x3d allot of unnecessary upgrades had not happened. People today are thinking about building new AM4 computers with 5600 / 5800x3d's. Like AMD have done some good work with Zen3/AM4.
But still AM5 is just to bad that people go to Intel. Funny aint it that AM5 is making Intel look good. It is not 5800x3d that makes AM5 look bad. It is AMD.
I think AM5 is just fine. I paired a 7700x with my 4090, and it’s flawless. The 7700 is my placeholder for when the new 3D chips drop early next year.
Went from a 5800x to the x3d and it got me a really good uptick in 1% lows, even at 3840x1600. Crazy how much of a difference the cache can make, I'm excited to see how the 7000 series will do with v cache
In what type of games did you the most notable differences? Also is the 5800x3D easier to cool or its about the same as the 5800x?
@@Vantastic4thewin i made the same CPU switch and i noticed way better 1% lows with the 5800x3D in almost all open world games at 3440x1440p. Regarding the cooling: i got a 5800x right at launch and it runs hotter than my 5800x3D now... i think thats due to the fact that AMD changed its stepping processes in january/february this year and optimized production processes... so out of the box i experienced way better cooling performance but there are several different factors you have to take into account like BIOS Updates, case cooling, etc...
I think they will be even better because they won't have to nerf the clocks speeds so you still get the great performance in production workloads while getting even better gains in gaming. To make the 5800X3D work they had to shave down the dies before they put the 3D cache on top to keep the height the same. This time around they designed the chiplets to be a lower height from the get go and made the IHS thicker than normal so I suspect they did that so when the add the 3D cache on top instead of shaving down the die they'll make the IHS thinner on top which could help them to keep from having to drop the clock speeds.
The wins in 4K are the least talked about when it comes to the 3D V-cache chip. Anyone playing sims, VR and/or games like MSFS in 4K all report a massive improvement in stability and 1% lows. Even at minimal average FPS. That's actually big! but not reviewed...
I did the same upgrade and the difference is noticeable.
Very nuanced take and I agree. I'm running a 5800X3D and a 6900 XT from a 3700X and GTX 1080 but if I was more budget constrained, then picking a $150 Ryzen 5 5600X would still be a major upgrade.
The 6900XT is the upgrade the 5800X3D was a waste
Man great follow up video. I was one of the people who commented on the last video and glad to see Mike (and the HC team) take community feedback.
To be fully satisfied with 5800x3d you have to use pbo tuner tho. Slap that -30 curve and enjoy lower tdp/temperatures and higher clocks under load. It gives around 8-10% boost in all core workloads and better/more stable single core boost. Add slight bclk OC (1-2mhz) on top of that and you will have optimal performance. Untill amd unlocks those options in the bios that is the only way to fully utilize potential of this great cpu.
You got a guide on how to adjust pbo?
Do you need an x570 motherboard to take advantage of pbo?
@@torshee touch bclk - if you feel lucky :) I heard for example x570 is not stable even after 1mhz bump tho. I myself got x470 and +2mhz offset. It's non issue for now - so I'm keeping it. It gives almost 100mhz SC boost.
@@shawcobra no, pbo is disabled by default in the bios when you get 5800x3d. You need external program to access it (unless your board manufacturer unlocked it). Also afaik x570 handles poorly bclk overclocking. You are better off with B550 or something even older.
@@shawcobra Just search for PBO2 tuner. Its super easy to use. You can start with -20 CO and test for stability and go from there. I've not heard of any of these that aren't able to be set at -30 though so you should be good. I'm at -30 and the temps went down and performance went up.
The 5800x3D is most likely becoming the CPU-version of the GTX1080ti: ultra durable und will be enough gamingwise for at least 3-5 years. The amazing power draw (you can even undervolt it with PBO Tuner without losing much performance) and the easy way to upgrade make it such a good product for AM4-owners and pc builders who just want to enter the pc world with a budget build.
You can undervolt it via PBO? I thought it was locked
@@mparagames yes, PBO is a Third Party Tool which enables manually undervolting per core... it's simple but effective 👍🏻 you can google how to do it
@@normaldude5960 No, i mean, i'm aware what PBO is, i'm even using i on my ryzen 5 5600 and it's wonderful... the thing is that afaik the 5800X3D was locked for overclocking / undervolting due to the strict volages required by the 3D v-cache (or something similar), it was the excuse AMD gave at least
@@mparagames yes, i know that. If you would try to undervolt in the BIOS settings you would get nowhere, it's locked there, but in Windows you can use it and it's working 🤷♂️ i can imagine that AMD locked it intentionally to give the consumer a reason to switch to AM5/Zen4. I wouldn't be surprised if Zen4-x3D-Chips, which are expected to launch next year, will be overclockable.
@@normaldude5960 hmmmmmmm, i see
i use PBO2 undervolting via bios, never tried via the OS iself, but then again my cpu has no such restrictions (which to me is very weird, you'd expect the most expensive CPU to have more features avaliable, not less, but what can i say)
Reminds me of the fact that the core i7 2600 had VT-D support (for passthrough of pci-e devices and usb connected to the system to a virtual machine so the vm could use them directly), while the i7 2600k... didn't, for *some reason* that i can't understand up until this day. I messed around with that feature with my i7 2600 back when i was using it, i had my fun with it, but had i been using the 2600k, i wouldn't be able to do that. Pretty weird.
(also even more weirdly, only the Q series motherboard had that feature available. H series, P series and even the premium Z series didn't! It was considered back then to be a business oriented feature. But by pure coincidence, i was using a Q67 motherboard 😅. At least with AMD, b-series mobos do not lack features other that stuff like amount of pci-e lanes)
I just got one of these last week on the day the price reduced to $329 and dropped it into an X570 board that was sitting around doing nothing, and it's amazing. With all that cache and some RAM with good timings, the overall averages & frame consistencies of all the games I play the most are better than they've ever been. I always tweak the settings in my games in such a way where the GPU has about 15-20% average headroom to deal with variances in different areas of a game in order to eliminate unexpected frame dips, so I tend to be more CPU-bound than GPU-bound the majority of the time, and the improvement the 5800X3D made over the 10850K I was using before was immediately noticeable.
Nice bro!!😁 I have a 10700k rn with an Rtx 3070ti and 32gb of 3200mhz ram. I’m going to wait for the 3D cache versions of zen 5 and the Rtx 5000ti series to come out before upgrading again.
If going from a 10850k to a 5800x3d is already such a major jump in performance, then imagine how big the performance increase will be going from a 10700k to an 8900x3d will be?
Especially if I upgrade my 3070ti to a 5080ti and go from 32gb of 3200mhz ram to 64gb of 7200mhz ddr5 ram? It’s going to be a huuuuge difference. Hell even going from the 10700k to next years 7900x3d or 7800x3d will be a massive improvement, I can’t wait!
@@darkhaven9119 - Yeah the 7000-series X3D chips are going to be insane. I doubt they'll have the same overclocking limitations that the 5800X3D has so they're gonna be out there just stomping everything.
Thank you. Was looking for exactly this!! Such a timely content.
i recenly upgraded from 3600 to 5800x3d and its just mind blowing how big of a jump it is.
honestly felt like a whole new experience in all games plus in 4k its so much smoother. its a legendary chip!
Thank you for this. I'm on a 3600 and was wondering if upgrading to 5800x3d is worth it. What GPU are you on?
@@4Leka it is no matter what GPU you have and is good enough even for 4090.
@@4Leka i have 6950 xt pure.
you should totally upgrade considering it just works without throwing expensive ram at it. drop it in and your good to go
@@simptrix007 It does matter if the GPU is the bottleneck.
@@Pierrelikeskipe I'm on a 2080 Ti so I wouldn't get as much benefit out of a cpu upgrade as you do, but I think the 5800X3D would last several years into the future.
The 5800X3D is just outstanding if AMD does the same with the 7800X3D and the other 7000X3D CPUs were in for a real treat. Right now the RTX 4090 plus 5800X3D PC is an AAA-killing gaming experience.
I upgraded my AM4 rig and went from a 3700x to a 3D and wow what a huge gaming difference! All my games are just flat out way more stable. I use to dislike gaming around 60-80 frames bc the 1% lows were terrible and now......I don't have any issue what so ever.
Thank you for putting this together
I was there with the rabble rousers agitating for 5800x3d inclusion under the last video. Just wanted to say great job here, this rounds out the coverage and really completes the picture for the am4 upgrade landscape.
Well, I've gotta say thanks. :)
Yeah the 3D cache SKU showed simply amazing performance uplift in certain games that can use it more.
One and main reason I'm waiting for 3D cache 7000 series, also by then mobo and better DDR5 kits will go down in price as they should.
5800X3D is great if you care only gaming, since it has to make compromises elsewhere. If you game only casually or just sometimes, it'd strongly recommend the 5800X instead. The prices on the mid tier Ryzen 5000 have been slashed significantly and the 5800X is almost the peak you can get out of AM4 (excluding X3D) gaming and single-core performance wise.
I'd go a big step further and say, if you're only gaming a 5700X or even 5600X is plenty as long as you don't play games that specifically stress the CPU.
People concerned about a decent system for casual gaming should seriously consider the 5600X more because those ~80€ (local prices) difference between 5600X and 5800X are better used in a better GPU for most players. 5700X is kind of too close in price to 5800X so I wouldn't really recommend that now that I think about it.
Yes 80€ is a debatable money window where it makes sense to pick the better one, but when we're looking to build a system of say 800€ total, 80€ can be huge.
I just threw together a custom build for fun and having that extra 80€ from the CPU can make the difference between picking a 6600XT and 6700XT within that budget, neither of which are bottlenecked by CPU really.
better get a 5700x. You can still use your 5 year old budget motherboard and a 5 yr old shitty CPU cooler and it will run fine due to 75W TDP
This is exactly the video I was looking for!
Glad you covered this. it was a big missing piece of the first video
Great video and I love this 5800x3D of mine, came from a 1700@3.75GHz desktop with a RTX3080Ti.
This CPU was made for me since the games I play are VERY CPU heavy and generally unoptimized.
I especially found WOW, SWTOR, Kenshi, Skyrim AE and D2R among other games like SOTTR/HZD to really love this CPU.
Having zero problems with my CPU and it sips power generally around 60-80watts while gaming and between 60-80c on my Scythe Fuma 2 air cooler with no throttling.
Recently upgraded from a 2600 to a 5600, i doubt i'll need anything more for a few years to come. Very happy with the performance uplift.
omg i just did the same and the difference is considerable in productivity and some games (Still using a RX570 Nitro GPU and i want to upgrade to a 6900xt and a B550 Motherboard) (Still rocking a B450)
@@simaothekid Oh, lol, you're doing better than me, I have a a320 motherboard... But from what i saw, the vrms barely go over 60 in games so no problem there.
@@zer0366 i want the B550 so i can use SAM (Smart acess memory), but it's incredible to skip 2 generations and a BIOS update allowing me to use a 4 year old Motherboard...
I went from a i5 6600k to a 5600x. This is an amazing upgrade for me.
@@simaothekid I have B450 Tomahawk and I have SAM and it is enabled
Nice video man, I liked the Be Quiet ad quite creative
thanks for helping to push the price up
Excellent topic and comparison. I upgraded from a 5800X that I got on day one release with a 5800X3D. I felt I notable uplift in my games. No worries, the 5800X found a new home. =)
Best upgrade I have ever made. I play shooters/racing and the difference in FPS is just unbelievable compared to my old 7 3700x processor. I saved enough money on this processor to start looking at Graphics card upgrade.
Thanks for reading our reviews and following up. This is appreciated! (and you're welcome for giving you more content to make ha!)
Yeah. I upgraded to the X3D _because_ I game at *4k* and the experience is much smoother (better 1% lows). Love that this will hold me over for another couple years as opposed to a new mobo & RAM.
8:10 If you have any other than a 5800x3D then memory speed is important. If you're planning to use a 5800X3D, 3200 will be more than OK. Several tests have shown only marginal difference of ram speed on performance, I think 2-3%, that's usually not worth spending money.
And the reason for the low influence of ram speed is quite easy: only 1 CCD, so no cross-CCD-communication that benefits from higher IF frequency. And with a large chunk of cache, much more data can be stored locally in L3 cache, hence less necessity for slow RAM access (and RAM access is always slow comapred to local cache)
I actually upgraded to 5800X3D a few weeks ago from intel i57600, I was waiting to see the new generations from intel and AMD but with the power consumption and the pricing I told it will be way better investment to go with 5800X3D and have a 3080TI update too. Did not regret the choice, it is over what I expected. Justice FYI, this is gaming only station, I have other machines for work related tasks
I just bought the X3D to switch from my old i5-6600k. I wonder how it will perform with my old GTX 1070 before I will replace it with something from the 3000 or 4000 series.
Do you have a recommendation for a AM4 Mainboard?
Thanks for including CDN pricing too. It was refreshing.
These videos are so clean 🫧
AM4 will survive at least this next gen of GPU's but after that.. not sure... lots of new features being added with the 7000 series may be expanded upon in the 8000 series and be intertwined with better gaming performance... right now Intel is actually kinda winning this gen of cpus.. even if I refuse to upgrade to windows 11 for now.
I ended up getting the 5900X for $329 at Amazon a few weeks ago. A hell of a price for a simple drop-in replacement for my 3900X. I can sell my 3900 who has an old 2600X. He gets a bump in performance. I'm happy with the performance from the 5900X in gaming and photography work that I do. Not only that, but I ended up getting Uncharted legacy of thieves collection as part of the purchase so consider that $60 I didn't have to spend lol.
Thank you for the 4K benchmark, most games are gpu limited at that resolution.
That add on 2:00 Was awesome it was actually a cinematic more than a add.
I have a 5900X. I'm not going to go from that to the 5800X3D, but it would have been nice to see that in the mix as I'm sure those considering an upgrade might value other things besides gaming.
4sure 5800X3D is way superior in gaming, but gaming only
I just picked up a 5900x myself after considering it or the 5800x3d. Seems like even though the gaming performance is good, it just doesn't excel enough in other areas to justify it. The only way it makes perfect sense is all you do is game, but if you do anything else, it's quickly out taken.
@@TheeFlyingK Yep, but most people who even are enthusiasts don’t stress their systems enough for that to matter as much. If you know you’d need multicore (VMs, video rendering, code compilation, etc) Then the 5900X is a much better value.
But I would argue even if you do those things, if you don’t do them as much as gaming, the X3D is the way to go. Uses less power, gives an overall smoother gaming experience and (take with a massive grain of salt, but I believe) it’s probably a more refined version of Zen3 which AMD was able to make more stable in general. Dropped my X3D into a system that had a 3700X, my AIO doesn’t work as hard and my max framerates have shot up even a little further because I have a 3090. I debated between 5950X or X3D for the last “Hurrah” of an upgrade, and realized I just don’t use this computer the way I thought I would. So X3D it is.
@@johnbuscher Solid comment. Thanks. I do a lot of multitasking which is why the 5900x looks like a better value, but I haven’t installed it yet. I’m still on the fence about it. Also do triple screen simulation MSFS2020 and Forza, which essentially at that resolution is 4k, so the 5800x3d seems to be less enticing with that in mind.
Some games actually benefit from more cores
Nice video! I do wish the 5900x would have been included in reviews considering the price point of the 5800x3d is toe-to-toe with it.
This is the question I have. I'm a G2 VR guy (including sims) who's wondering if he should 'downgrade' from 5900x to 58003d.
Thank you so much for this. I was on the fence, did not want to purchase everything again. 5800x3D fits right in for now. :)
I’d love to see results from the new standardized modern warfare 2 benchmark in the future. Great review!
I’d love to see a similar video with mid-range graphics cards to see how tight the margins are when more GPU-bound. If you’re looking for a budget/value CPU you’re probably not going with an RTX 4090
basically the big Gap you see on the X3D compared to the 5600X shrinks significantly.
Actually the 5800X3D is way less sensitive to RAM Speed than the rest of the 5000 lineup. The difference between 3200 CL16 and 3800 CL14 is less than 3%, in most cases even more less. Even in 1080p! So one more reason to upgrade to this legendary CPU :)
Great comment! I think more people should see this.
Great you listen so carefully to your audience even at the size of your Channel.....👍👍☀️
Yep, after I watched your previous video I went to my local Micro Center and picked one up for $370. I don't mind the premium as the other stuff I picked up was SO CHEAP! With my Sapphire Toxic 6900XT I am gaming like I have a new system vs. my 5600X and 5700XT. They will go in another build with my Crosshair Hero VI x370. I am leaning towards picking up a 2nd one. I have a Lan Party pc i am piecing together too. Thanks for this.
The x3d appears to really shine in MMOs and simulation based games. I don't see these included in reviews all that often. :(
Would love to see a video on WoW, GW2, FF14, ESO, popular strategy games, etc.
I know that is a tall order due to the difficultly in benching those (e.g., the FF14 benchmark is simply not representative of in-game performance), but that is where I think the x3d will really dunk on the 7th gen and potentially even Intel's 13 gen chips.
Good point. We'll look into adding one or two of those by the time the next X3D chip comes out.
Agreed, fellow Michael. HUB started adding ACC to their bench, but seeing more simulation title would be great. That being said, very very hard to "review" MMOs...
@@HardwareCanucks PlanetSide 2 is a very good example too, a MMO FPS where heavy battles have 200+ with on foot, ground and air vehicles players in a single area.
Agree. It feels that much of the benchmarking revolves around competitive high fps shooters, but that's only a tiny segment of the games people play.
@@JavoCover that's a name I haven't heard in a long time
I went from the 3600 to the 5800X3D . Superb chip. Get on it, saves a fortune on Ram and motherboard on AM5
Great video. I spotted the Jim Butcher novel in the background. That series was such a great one, and it should be way more popular!
I wish he committed to a follow up series! Need to know what happens with Tavi afterwards.
That is exactly what I did, I scooped up one of the 5000 series upper echelon chips as I already had a real good AM4 system and this chip was still finishing top 5 or top 10 (depending on the test or game), and said this should stretch my AM4 system out another couple year on top off the fact that it was still going to be good for another couple years as it is.
Ended up upgrading from the 5600G to the 5800X since its X3D counterpart ended up being outside of my spending constraint.
With that being said, the 5800X3D looks outstanding!
should've got a 5700x instead
I'm actually upgrading my 8 year old i5 4670k system to a whole new platform, and I've chosen the Am4 5800x3d as my new rig. Intel 13 series of am5 just isn't worth the extra money if you're gaming at 1440p or 4k. So I've saved about 300 dollars compared to a 7700x that I can now throw towards badass gpu.
Same here brother except I am going for the normal 5800X, cause for what I have seen unless you got the best card on the market the X3D gap shrinks and even more on higher res. At least to me It ain't worth the loss in productivity for 5 to 15 more FPS
@@mrsuperselenio5694 when it comes to bang for the buck, totally! And yeah, the higher clocks and overclockability of the regular 5800x help it in productivity. Good choice!
wish the charts showed the ryzen 5900x in the comparison because its the same price as the 5800 x3d
Will definitely be picking up this cpu. (Still rocking a R7 1700x).
When the X3D went down to $329 I jumped on it. Keep in mind, the used hardware market is still pretty solid for sellers. It's not at the scalper levels of the pandemic but it's still fair to both parties. I sold my 5600X for $130 so $200 total for the upgrade felt fair enough to me. I was already on B550 so I have PCIE 4 which I think is the other thing that AM4 users need to consider, the older boards with PCIE 3 are still viable for most GPU performance but if you are thinking about stretching it another couple years I'd probably hold off on spending more than say a 5600X on a drop in upgrade to an older Zen CPU because I think in a year or two you will really get the itch to change out the motherboard anyhow. If you are on a B550 or X570 though, I think the 5800X3D for non production mainly gaming focused upgrades, it's going to make your purchase good for the next few years easy.
Pcie3 vs 4 with a 4090 @ 4k is 0-3%. We're talking about 140 fps vs 143 fps. I mean if you can afford it sure. But it's not necessary. Better performance gains elsewhere.
@@Dassick89 I’m assuming a user will want to get four or five years more out of a higher cost CPU upgrade. I think in two years gen 3 is going to be more significant bottleneck. Right now it may limit you in direct storage options as that tech rolls out.
Been holding on to my 2700 since launch excited to upgrade soon to 5800x3d.
I did a small upgrade (from 5600X to 5800X) about three weeks before the price drop. No hard feelings, though - I had traded in a bunch of old hardware so the net price was pretty good. Running it on an Asus ROG X570 mobo with 4x8gb 3600 DDR4 and two nvme drives. This'll keep me happy for a couple of years.
Does 2 vs 4 sticks RAM change the speed? Or is that just AM5?
I think I'm sticking with my 5600X since I want to replace my 1080 Ti with a 7900XTX (possibly after benchmarks on Dec 13). But if the 5800X3D drops significantly in the next year or two it would make sense.
Depending on what games u play, your 6 core CPU will bottleneck the 7900XTX and be running at 90-100% while gaming
@@GeForceArena You may be right. I am watching 5800X3D prices like a hawk.
@@packetcreeper You should upgrade...Got mine last week..waiting for the xtx now or 4080
The 5800X3D is absolutely legendary (reminiscent of the incredible Q6600 days). I have it paired with 3800CL14 RAM and it blows the new CPUs out of the water in terms of price/performance. If you are on an older AMD platform, all you have to do is swap for this discounted CPU and you will be off to the races!
I decided to stay on my old 32GB DR 3200 CL16 and bumped them to 3600 CL16. Top DDR4 RAM cost like the CPU itself. I rather decided to save that money towards new platform upgrade when the time comes.
3800CL14 RAM?? You'd have to pay over $300 for the RAM alone! That's not good value for money regardless of performance.
@@selohcin You don't need 3800CL14, I just like to get the absolute best performance I can. In fact the 5800X3D runs great on cheap RAM.
I still have a 2600X and running 32gb of DDR4 3200 memory; it would be nice to not have to get new ram as well; is the difference between 3200 and 3600 a big deal with a 5800X3D?
@@mclovin11769 It's not, honestly you can go straight to the 5800X3D and you will get 95% of the performance. Go for it!
I just purchased the x3D after watching this video, you convinced me
I'm so glad my Asus Hero VII first gen MB has a bios update that allows the 5800x3d to work on it with ZERO issues. My 1800x is tired. It stopped allowing overclocking a couple of years ago. This is definitely my upgrade path as the rest of the system is still running great.
I paid over 500 dollars at micro center the first day it came out. Been loving it
very nice.
Over $500?? Didn't they launch at $450?
If Mike is making a video, you know it will be a banger.
Such a nice presentation style for this normally perceived “boring” stuff.
Thanks!
The Ryzen 7 5700X was $200 a few weeks ago on Newegg and I grabbed one to replace my 2-year old R5 3600. Happy with my purchase
The funny thing is I remember seeing comments saying 3700x -> 5800X3D wasn't a worthwhile upgrade. I felt that difference immediately. Made my 6800 feel like a new car despite having it since launch basically.
I am seeing the 5700x out there for around $200. I think that is a great buy.
I'm happy with the 5800x3D. I upgraded from a i7 4790 so this CPU will last a long time for me.
Thank you so much for this 😭
The 3D is also supposed to improve slow memory as the cache allows less transfers
I purely went with a 7600x because I needed a entirely new system and wanted upgradability in the future. But don't get me wrong I was tempted to build with the 5800x3d.
I've heard that the 7600x makes a big difference in total system responsiveness, in ways that are hard to measure. No system pauses or stutters, just click and it's done. What have you found in that regard?
@@deansmits006 I will find out when I build it this Tuesday.
@@deansmits006 I noticed an improvement going from the 3600x to the 5800x in general system snappiness, and thankfully the 5800X3D feels similarly responsive. I'm sure the 7600X will feel great too.
I am about to replace my R7-3700X with the R7-5800X3D, so I found this very helpful. I have been more than pleased with the 3700X & 32gb of 3600 ram (which I'll be retaining for now) and I can get decent framerates on "Elden Ring" but I do realise that it will rapidly lose ground as the new-gen tech comes in. I am not an "Early Adopter" of next gen tech as it tends to have a LOT of issues at first and is way overpriced generally so I prefer to wait at least 3 years before moving to a new platform or upgrade which means that I'm not someone to wave my brand-new technology around in a "Dick-Measuring" contest! (Heck it took me 7 years to move on from Intel 4790K to Ryzen 3300X!! And I went from a GTX 980 to a RTX 3080 in the same upgrade!
If i were you, id just wait it out till 2023 and see what both amd and intel offers as they both will be introducing very new architecture: intel's attempt at chiplet and amd's attempt with big little cpu.
3700x to 5800x3d pretty much a waste of money for really tiny gains.
@@bingbing3464 Too late - I have had the 5800X3d and bits (280mm AIO and new PSU)
for almost 2 months, just awaiting a chance to get 3 days in a row to install it all. This video just confirms my thoughts, so was a big help.
I upgraded from a 3700X to 5700X solely for power efficiency. My GPU draws to much and the productivity performance of a 5800X or 3D wasn’t that much of an improvement.
What motherboard are you using?
@@shawcobra Gigabyte/Aorus X570 Master
I just changed 5800X to 5800X3D. Game changer in VR and flight sims.
I upgraded from 3700x to 5700x and used the same wraith prism cooler. $200 or less is a great price to pay and IMO is a good sweet spot given the overall performance.
I'm running DDR4 3200, and see no real reason to upgrade the memory. The X3D is very forgiving. That cache helps.
Yeah you're right. It's important for the none-3d chips, but for the x3d it's 3200 is fine
I stand by the absolutely critical part, especially for 1440p.
@@HardwareCanucks how much % is the critical for 1440p?
I would like to see a 5800x3d vs a 5900X both using tuned 3600mhz ram to see which is actually the better overall CPU.
The 5800x3d doesn't require tuned ram. U can actually get cheaper, slower ram and still see great numbers due to the added cache. So save some $$$.
The 5800X3D will do better in gaming while the 5900X is miles better in production-workloads. And a 5600X for example isn't much slower than a 5900X in gaming as well. All 5000's CPUs are quite close in gaming, except the 5800X3D due to it's big cache. Long story short: The high end 5000s models (5900/5950) are for productivity. The 5800X3D for just gaming. And you won't need to upgrade from a 5600x to a 5900x when you're just gaming.
@@GipfelKreis 👆🏾 +1, I concur. I was trying to keep it short lol
backordered! coming from 2600x, hopfully itll be a huge fps upgrade for 1080p
I went from a 2700 to the 5800X3D and man I love it worth the money especially since it's just a drop in. Also was able to build a pc for a friend with the 2700. So no waste.
I have a 5900x and its too much of a sidegrade to consider. I'll hold onto this until the next platform
Yea just stay with the 5900x.
It be good for a while.
It's a beast, for sure
Don't forget to undervolt. PBO2 makes this chip even better!
3600 to 5800x3D here. It is a GREAT price right now. Have mine paired with Thermalright PA120 and its great for gaming. Just waiting on a video card upgrade and looking to go AMD for that. People have been very worried about temps. Yes the temps can get high. I tried to reuse my VetrooV5 that I had on my 3600. It would work fine for gaming, but any Cinebench loads or high CPU load would crank it up to 90C within seconds. It reminded me a lot of using the stock 3600 Cooler on the 3600 in Summer. I decided on the Thermalright because of price, and it has been great. Regular gaming loads such as MW2 avg about 65c temps. More CPU intensive games such as Mount and Blade bannerlord Can crank that up to low 70C. Cinebench R20 can still run hot over 80C but I don't play Cinebench for hours. No undervolt/PBO2 Tuner necessary. Vids on my channel.
I have to agree. As I am running a high refresh 1440p (240Hz), I recently picked up the 4090 and in MW2, on mostly high settings, I am only getting 180-200 avg fps. This is when I am pairing it with the 5800X, ram is 3600 C15 I think Trident Z Neo. XMP profile.
Picked up the 5800X3D and now my FPS is hitting 240-260 range. A really large leap and titles like MW2 really have good gains. I have not tried on other titles though but I mainly play MW2.
I think it would be great if AMD came out with the 5900x3d soon. I'm sure it does better than the 5900x I'm gaming, even if the 5800x3d may be better due to core-core latencies. Some people would have fun with a gaming best AND stronger multi-core. Release with 7xxx3D so AM5 doesn't get blown out of the water
Hard to justify an upgrade if you already have 8 cores and only do casual gaming. However more cores + the 3d...
I can't see that happening since it would invalidate their whole 7000 lineup.
@@HardwareCanucks maybe they should release a 5900x3d along with zen 4 vcache so that it doesn’t kill the AM5 platform…
Just got a 5600x and I game at 4k so I see that there is no advantage to upgrading. it keeps up with the 5800x3D and 7000 series.
Didn't quite have enough to go that high, but I did just pick up and upgrade from the 3600 to 5700X. Feeling very happy that I decided to go with the AM4 platform a few years back, not intel.
Went from a 3700x and 2070 to a 5800X3D and a 4080 a few weeks ago. Needed to upgrade my cooling from stock but aside from that it was the perfect drop in upgrade. The performance gains were insane.
What a lot of people forget is that this CPU will push the 1% lows massively and "cure" the dips of the AM4 CPUs thanks to its 3D cache. I´m on 1440p with a 5600x+6900x and definetly gonna upgrade to this CPU whenever black friday drops here in europe.
Great Video thx - could you pls do an dlss Benchmark with those ?
Just bought the 5800x3D being delivered today hope to see a bit of a performance upgrade over my zen 3600 paired with a RTX 3060Tti
I pulled the trigger on a 5800X3D a hair bit too soon at $389 but, the good thing is if either NewEgg or Best Buy gets them back in stock within the next two to three weeks for say $329-$349 then, my local Micro Center that I bought it from with refund me the difference :)
MSI B350 tomahawk with ryzen 5 1600 replaced with ryzen7 5800X and waiting rx6800 to replace my gtx 1070ti, build works excelent.
I’m always curious on how do these handle a heavy performance using audio engineering software like Logic, Studio One or Pro Tools. Curious on how much it can handle with heavy, cpu intensive projects.
Excellent job
two weeks ago i had Microcenter price match Best Buy's 5800x3d of 329 bucks, i got home and swapped out my 3700x with the new chip and saw over a 50% performance uplift in most of my games.
i have the 5600x. upgraded from the 2600 and i never looked back. the next upgrade i want is a complete switch to ddr5 and so far, the next generation still needs to mature a little more.
i have gotten a 5800x3d, b550 mobo, a scythe fuma 2 rev.b and still have to find some better 3600mhz cl16 ram because everything was sold out. I haven't put them in my system because i had no time yet but i can't wait to play without stutters in game compared to my 1700!
upgraded to 7600x from 5600x and its been a good one.
awaits the next gen x3d memory on chip for a big boost 2023.
I’m still rocking the 1600 but on b350 with the limited bios size. No matter what I gotta upgrade my mother board so I’m waiting for the following generation so AM5 issues may get ironed out and lower DDR5 prices.
Very nice CPU. If I wasn't looking to make a new build from scratch I'd've already picked up a 5800X 3D by now. At this rate, I'm just holding off for the next gen 3D CPU.
I've been looking for a used 5800x3d for when I get a 144hz 4k monitor but with my 3070 my 5600x will get to stay for another few years thanks!
Whic software do you use for video editing and can you do the same video using a lower CPU like RX6600 or RTX3060, because, There are a lot of viewers that don't buy high end GPUs. Watching you from The Dominican Republic.
Just upgraded to this yesterday! Didn’t think this was worth it from a 5600x but it totally was. Plague tale Spider-Man and a few others lows was SOOOO much improved. Totally different experience
how the lows in spiderman? i was thinking of getting a 5600x since my current i5 struggles horribly that game
I've been on AM4 since its beginning, having built an R7 1700 / 1080Ti system as my primary machine in the spring of 2017. That's been replaced by a 3900X / 2080Ti which is still getting it done adequately. The 5800X3D almost makes me wish I needed to upgrade, but to leverage it for gaming, I'd need a new graphics card as well. That doesn't make a lot of sense on an "end-of-life" platform. My next upgrade will be to AM5 or Raptor Lake DDR5.