Oh bloody hell Paul, I imagine many choice words were muttered during that trouble shooting. Thank you for persevering and remember: A Paul's Hardware video is never late, it arrives exactly when it should do.
Thanks Adrian! Not gonna lie, I was pretty upset going through it. Mostly because I had only just put down on paper all my upcoming video plans, scheduled out through the first half of May, and of course the first thing that happens is hardware problems that put me behind schedule right off the bat 😭 It's OK though! Catching up this week...
@@paulshardware Oof. That really does compound it all, but at least you nailed the issue. I hope you can get back on your schedule without any further stress 😁
Would definitely wait for your take, Paul. I love how you don't just do what everyone else did, which was keep things in spec, an even apples to apples comparison. You enabled PBO, MCE, etc. as applicable to give every CPU its best chance, which is what most enthusiasts would do with their own chips. Strong work.
It worth the wait, great video. This reminds me the stories about old cpus introducing the ALU or the cache inside, instead of depending on external chips.
Paul, I love the late review as you actually get to put some perspective on how difficult it can be sometimes to troubleshoot when things go wrong. Not keen on the background music as it is a bit annoying. However, "Great Job". I'm also glad to see that you kept family time in perspective. Family matters! Another cpu review can wait.
It was originally something I decided to do in order to take a slightly different approach towards my 12900K/12600K reviews, but I feel like if you're going to drop $150+ on an AIO cooler why wouldn't you be turning on stuff like PBO/MCE
@@paulshardware Exactly, but not only with an AIO. I run a 5950X with an BeQuiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 and if I leave it on stock temperatures stay well below 70C during benchmarks, leaving a lot of room for improvement. With PBO enabled and playing a bit with a negative curve optimizer setting my Cinebench R23 multi score is 29287, with cpu temperatures around 85C. Like you said, building an expensive system it's not very realistic leaving so much performance on the table. Especially with most of your viewers being computer enthusiastics.
It’s honestly the only way you should. PBO is on by default or set to auto. Similar to how Intel has let’s you unlock the power limit or turbo boost. I’ve seen a lot of the benchmark has intel with turbo boost and power limit Unlocked and PBO turned off. I’m like is that really how you are going to compare these CPUs? Only Paul and Steve accurately compare and benchmark these brands of CPUs. Other channels have people believing that the 12900k completely destroys the 5950x in every category and production work load because of it 😂
@@paulshardware Yep and that's why I get annoyed with reviews that focus on power efficiency...like it all doesn't matter the moment you activate the auto OC. Normal users spending this kind of money are not interested in saving a few watts here and there.
@@theholt2ic219 Yes, even a very good channel like Hardware Unboxed test Ryzen cpu's with PBO disabled. And especially the 5950X suffers in the results because of its relatively low base clock.
I gotta say, I'm very impressed how far AMD has come in the last 5 years! I'm waiting until the first of next year to upgrade again so I hope some awesome stuff will be launched later this year...I always buy the best parts available and then run them for 4 years, I really think its gonna be good this time! I just got lucky that my upgrade cycle didn't land during the shortage/scalping this time!
@@marloncanas6221 I love building my computers! I started a separate savings account, and I just stick $5 or $10 in it here and there for 4 years and thats what I use to build my next PC...It's hard not to spend that money when I'm broke but I just have to pretend like it doesn't exist! lol
I too lucked out and built my latest system shortly before the shortages and scalping. I will upgrade to this CPU and the GPU, but I think I'll just wring everything I can out of this AM4 platform and wait for AM6 (or whatever they call it after AM5) before building the next.
Just ordered a 5800X3D to replace a 3800X. It'll be the last chip my X570 rig will ever have, and hopefully when I get a decent GPU, will stay a solid gaming platform for at least 2-3 more years.
You need a very powerful GPU (at least 3080 level) and low resolution to see any difference between the 5800 vs 3800. Even then you will most likely notice it only if you have a fps counter running.
@@innocentiuslacrim2290 Yes, and it's my intention to add an RTX 4000 series to this rig when it's available. I think AMD will be offering 3D cache on later gen CPUs going forward, so app/game support for higher cache might become the norm.
Doing the same. This CPU is going in my living room HTPC (current 5800X) due to PCMR regulations requiring "The one box to rule them all" because emulation likes fast CPUs over GPUs. So I have this position where my living room PC has the fastest CPU, while the mancave PC has the fastest GPU (current 3800X).
Very very good to know. I wonder if they'll be able to improve mixed use, like video edit performance for example, over time. Great to see AMD trying this new thing! Mega cache sounds so nice.
Thanks for this Paul, not sure about others but I personally like the slightly delayed video - it allows people who aren't day 1 buyers to have mulled over the launch day videos and thought "but what about this?" To then get answers
Awesome content! My desktop started life with a 2700x and a vega 64, I've since upgraded the same system to a 3600xt and a 2080ti ftw3 and I just ordered a 5950x. I'll probably move to another platform next generation for my gaming desktop and move this cpu into my server since 16 cores and 32 threads clocked that well should last me in a server basically forever. And in the meantime it's still a meaningful uplift over my 3600xt which while running other processes in the background feels a little anemic at times.
Appreciate your time in making the video. I'm not a rush out and buy something on the first day kinda guy so no worries releasing it after the other tech-tubers.
Great review, what i like from Paul's reviews is you always get the idea fast and even conclusions and thoughts before getting to the end of the video.
Impressive. Impressive in showing how important the amount of cache can be in boosting performance. Hopefully manufacturers can work this I to newer CPUs to boost performance.
I'll say just one thing: I am subscribed to all the other major channels but yours was the only review I was compelled to click on and watch in its entirety. Out of all of them, for some reason you are the one whose opinion I value the most. You just have a way of presenting the logic of your tests and why one should or should not opt to buy the new piece of hardware that is superior, at least in my eyes. So, all in all, it was worth the wait.
My good man how could we skip to the end , we luv you and i enjoy watching all your thoughts and comments as always Paul ............Excellent luv from AUS
I love your committment to your craft, Paul. The 3D thumb screws on your tee as a not-so-subtle nod to the 3D in the product name, is a case in point! 🧐😁
Love the benchmarks, I've been rocking a 5900x sinse shortly after launch. But my brother is has a 3800x and is considering the 5800x3D, but given how MSRP continues to fall he will likely wait until AM5 and see if it's worth the $ to upgrade the platform.
And the reality is, by the time AM5 is here the prices of these CPUs will be even lower. Honestly, considering the release timeframe, this is probably the worst time to buy a CPU if you're upgrading: we're roughly 4-5 months from the expected release and the price WILL go down. Especially on something like the X3D, where it's probably going to look fairly weak compared to the 7000-series and it's currently riding on the high of being new and cool.
@@rustler08 AMD has been consist about dropping prices over time. I actually got a 5600x on launch and used if for a few months. I knew I could wait and get a 5900x later for cheaper but when my my 5900x order finally shipped I wa threw it and never looked back. I was upgrading from an i5 3570k so I justified the cost because I keep my computers for a long time and I had been budgeting for a solid upgrade.
Good video, Paul! I would never have expected the cables. First I assumed the motherboard if RAM wasnt the issue.. then perhaps the power supply itself.. but not the cables 😅
I am still going through therapy over the price drop of my 5900x from the sickening $560.00 I paid to it's current price of $379.99 (give or take 20 if on sale)
Prices in the EU are EUR409 for the 5900X and EUR479 for the 5800X3D. EUR70 more for a CPU that is sometimes faster but mostly slower overall. I really want to stick a CPU with a giant L3 in my system but this just doesn't make sense. I wish there was a 5900X3D with 192MB cache, I would have gladly forked over EUR600 for that one. Thanks for directly comparing it with the 5900X. Most other reviews are focused on 5800X vs 5800X3D but they are not in the same price bracket.
I was surprised to see the temps not go down compared to the 5800x given the lower power draws. As you mentioned, looks like th extra cache keeps it toasty still. Thanks!
It was a late video but right on point. My son uses his rig specifically for gaming and wanted to upgrade from a Ryzen 5 5600X to a 9 5950. He solely games on the system and the performance and price differential points directly to this chip. It’s on sale right now for $300 so it’s the same price at the 5600 when we built the system. As always, thanks a great review! Much appreciated and have a great holiday!
You guys do a lot of work to make these videos, so I better sit down, watch the whole thing, and I will be enjoying it. Also, I enjoy "hanging out" with you, it's nice company for the more mind-numbing tasks at work, so yes, even if I've seen benchmarks, seen the reviews and don't plan on buying a 5800x3d, I'll watch the whole thing.
would be interesting to revisit 5800x3d once AM5 comes available. Heard rumors that the new ryzens will all sport the 3D cache tech so interested to see how the 5800x3d stacks up then (hopefullly with a discounted price for it too lol) Great video as always!
That's what I came to this video for to find out. I want the 5800x3d but if they come out with a 60003d or 70003d series next month id rather just wait
in a local store, I can find at the same price the 5800x3d and the 5900x. I run my pc with a 4k monitor, (and haven't seen benchmarks at 4k between those two cpus). considering the almost identical price, and for gaming at 4k, would you still recommend the 5800x3d instead of the 5900x? thanks.
Love your videos; one small bit of feedback for your benchmarks: Can you put "higher is better" for the scores and "lower is better" for the times? This would make them a lot easier to digest as the slides go by.
Think your videos are best served both hot and cold and anywhere in between. No worries about being late you have always professional provided us with expertly crafted tech videos. Cheers!
From one Paul to another i wouldn't worry about being late. The videos you and Joe make are great. i love your Tech news videos its great to have all the news for the week in one place. btw send me a message if i can make some cool graphics for your videos or merch. :)
This seems to be a running theme of the 58003D reviews I've been watching, with people having issues with power supplies and incorrect cables on the i9s.
Nice overview, and nuanced conclusion. What I would like to see is the suggestion for a someone with a mid tier gpu. Should they upgrade to a 5800x3d or upgrade to a 5600X and spend the extra money on upgrading the GPU. I think upgrading to the 5600x and spending the rest of a GPU upgrade would give more fps. To me the 5800x3d is only a consideration for even gaming only use cases if you've nearly maxed the GPU.
I wondering if the 3D V-Cache will be increased on the next Gen Threadripper series (above what the Ryzen lineup will have which im sure will be included on AM5) to bolster its performance against Intels “rumoured” return to HEDT CPUs 🧐🤔?
The fact that people don't think a 16-24 cpu is hedt is mind boggling. Almost nobody can use a 32 or 64 core cpu, maybe 1% of the population using pcs.
I wonder how would a 5800x3d perform against a 5800x and 5900x in gaming + streaming setups. Will that massive cache help? Or will it be hindered by slower clocks.
I bought a 5900x for ~$300 (was $400 but had a $100 in points). I do a little more than just gaming and plan on using this until the 2nd gen AM5 CPU's (to also allow DDR5 to come down in pricing). I heard around that the 5800x 3D is going for a bit above MSRP, so for me to get the 5900x for well under $150 less than this new chip, I feel quite good about it. The 5900x has been a nice bump from the 3700x I was rocking since it launched. Great review though! Sorry about the lame issues in testing.
I'm torn between a 5700x and 5800X3D. I want to squeeze as much remaining life out of my x470 chipset before I take the leap to AM5 or Intel in the future.
that's a very tough call. 5700X is $300 right now, 5800X is $340... If you're going with an RTX 3070 or lower I'd say just save $ for next gen stuff and go with the 5700X or 5800X.
@@paulshardware Thanks for the reply :) I hope to pair it with a 3070 so I think it would be logical to go with a 5700X and put the rest towards next gen :)
Check the used market as well, people upgrading to 5800X3D's will be getting rid of their old 'plain' 5800X's ;) Not like CPUs really break from old age or use. ( I picked up a 5800X for £200 on facebook marketplace before these 3d versions were even released))
You could also get a next gen GPU, which are looking to be 2x stronger than current gen, later this year. Paired with 5800x3d, 3d will shine even better with no GPU bottle neck. But... The prices. Yeah, stick with 5700x
When you said that a 3070 will likely result in minimal difference, does that also cover the TI version, or do you think a 5800X would be better to pair with the 3070TI?
If you have for example a Ryzen 1000 series CPU on an X370 board, and primarily game this could be a way to upgrade to something very competent without switching platforms entirely.
Currently i am using the Ryzen 9 5950X in my Main-Rig. I thought about using the 5800X3D in this rig because i like the position that the 5800X3D has. It´s a standout CPU with the 3D-Cache and thats what i like, something special. But after this video i become grounded, thank you very much! :) Have a nice day! Subscribed.
Thank you for including the benchmark for the 5600x it seems to me that it is by far a better value as the additional cost for a casual gamer isn't going to translate into a better gaming experience. I'd love to see how bottlenecked a GTX 1060 6GB would be with that processor. I'm guessing it would make the CPU completely redundant for gaming applications. At least for me.
thanks for the review :) I think it's hard to find a final verdict on this CPU. What games do you play? what are you typically using while gaming (discord, youtube, etc)? AMD showed the potential of their new cache technology and to me atleast it seems like a nice finale for AM4.
Its not worth unless you have something as fast as a 3090 ti. And if you have a 3090 Ti Idk why you wouldnt have a 12700K/12900K or 5900X/5950X, moving from any of those to a 5800X is stupid. Its bad value for something that at best rivals a 12700K/12900K. Something tbh Zen 3 already did, and does cheaper
It's pretty cool what they managed to do,but I already have a 5800x so they'll have to do it to at least a 5900x to give me more compute performance too before I'll buy.
They were already using this chiplet in the thread ripper pro lineup. My guess is they had a bunch that didn't meet spec but were still good enough to sell as this. That's what's great about the chiplet design.
Hi Paul, please dont stress out over longer upload times. Could you please provide further game testing in a follow-up, like other channels did? Please make sure to include Warzone, it is a game that is quite poorly optimized for pc but made for an 8-core-console-cpu.
Good things take time. Glad we can get your opinion on it. Worth the wait.
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Agree with this. Sometimes I can't see the videos as they come. I watch it when I get a chance. 🐢🥰 Thanks for the video.
@@timothyandrewnielsen I think we
The 5800x3D is beating the 5900x in StarCitizen by 20-40% despite the lower clock speed. Thanks for the research Paul.
Paul, I appreciate the comprehensive 5900X numbers. Some other reviews oddly missed that CPU out when it is obviously very strong competition.
As is 12700K.
Even more so now that both chips are priced within $5-10 of each other.
Oh bloody hell Paul, I imagine many choice words were muttered during that trouble shooting. Thank you for persevering and remember:
A Paul's Hardware video is never late, it arrives exactly when it should do.
Thanks Adrian! Not gonna lie, I was pretty upset going through it. Mostly because I had only just put down on paper all my upcoming video plans, scheduled out through the first half of May, and of course the first thing that happens is hardware problems that put me behind schedule right off the bat 😭 It's OK though! Catching up this week...
@@paulshardware Oof. That really does compound it all, but at least you nailed the issue. I hope you can get back on your schedule without any further stress 😁
+1
@@paulshardware the 5800x3d does provide a benefit in workload it's just depends on the workload then usual suspects
@@paulshardware Sorry to bother that way, but is this gift legit? What if I dont use telegram?
Would definitely wait for your take, Paul. I love how you don't just do what everyone else did, which was keep things in spec, an even apples to apples comparison. You enabled PBO, MCE, etc. as applicable to give every CPU its best chance, which is what most enthusiasts would do with their own chips. Strong work.
You always bring a unique style and perspective to the Techtuber world, so I'm always willing to watch your videos even if they are "late"
It worth the wait, great video. This reminds me the stories about old cpus introducing the ALU or the cache inside, instead of depending on external chips.
Paul, I love the late review as you actually get to put some perspective on how difficult it can be sometimes to troubleshoot when things go wrong. Not keen on the background music as it is a bit annoying. However, "Great Job". I'm also glad to see that you kept family time in perspective. Family matters! Another cpu review can wait.
Glad you benched the AMD systems with PBO enabled. It's just a much more realistic scenario for comparison.
It was originally something I decided to do in order to take a slightly different approach towards my 12900K/12600K reviews, but I feel like if you're going to drop $150+ on an AIO cooler why wouldn't you be turning on stuff like PBO/MCE
@@paulshardware Exactly, but not only with an AIO. I run a 5950X with an BeQuiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 and if I leave it on stock temperatures stay well below 70C during benchmarks, leaving a lot of room for improvement. With PBO enabled and playing a bit with a negative curve optimizer setting my Cinebench R23 multi score is 29287, with cpu temperatures around 85C.
Like you said, building an expensive system it's not very realistic leaving so much performance on the table. Especially with most of your viewers being computer enthusiastics.
It’s honestly the only way you should. PBO is on by default or set to auto. Similar to how Intel has let’s you unlock the power limit or turbo boost. I’ve seen a lot of the benchmark has intel with turbo boost and power limit Unlocked and PBO turned off. I’m like is that really how you are going to compare these CPUs? Only Paul and Steve accurately compare and benchmark these brands of CPUs. Other channels have people believing that the 12900k completely destroys the 5950x in every category and production work load because of it 😂
@@paulshardware Yep and that's why I get annoyed with reviews that focus on power efficiency...like it all doesn't matter the moment you activate the auto OC. Normal users spending this kind of money are not interested in saving a few watts here and there.
@@theholt2ic219 Yes, even a very good channel like Hardware Unboxed test Ryzen cpu's with PBO disabled. And especially the 5950X suffers in the results because of its relatively low base clock.
I gotta say, I'm very impressed how far AMD has come in the last 5 years! I'm waiting until the first of next year to upgrade again so I hope some awesome stuff will be launched later this year...I always buy the best parts available and then run them for 4 years, I really think its gonna be good this time! I just got lucky that my upgrade cycle didn't land during the shortage/scalping this time!
I'm on the same boat. I usually use my systems for 4-5 years before upgrading. Only difference is that, it's not by choice.
@@marloncanas6221 I love building my computers! I started a separate savings account, and I just stick $5 or $10 in it here and there for 4 years and thats what I use to build my next PC...It's hard not to spend that money when I'm broke but I just have to pretend like it doesn't exist! lol
@@brucepreston3927 with high prices today u wil need to save 8 years 🤣
@@wolfkane1986 I know, Its ridiculous!
I too lucked out and built my latest system shortly before the shortages and scalping. I will upgrade to this CPU and the GPU, but I think I'll just wring everything I can out of this AM4 platform and wait for AM6 (or whatever they call it after AM5) before building the next.
Just ordered a 5800X3D to replace a 3800X. It'll be the last chip my X570 rig will ever have, and hopefully when I get a decent GPU, will stay a solid gaming platform for at least 2-3 more years.
Happy for you
You need a very powerful GPU (at least 3080 level) and low resolution to see any difference between the 5800 vs 3800. Even then you will most likely notice it only if you have a fps counter running.
@@innocentiuslacrim2290 Yes, and it's my intention to add an RTX 4000 series to this rig when it's available. I think AMD will be offering 3D cache on later gen CPUs going forward, so app/game support for higher cache might become the norm.
Doing the same. This CPU is going in my living room HTPC (current 5800X) due to PCMR regulations requiring "The one box to rule them all" because emulation likes fast CPUs over GPUs. So I have this position where my living room PC has the fastest CPU, while the mancave PC has the fastest GPU (current 3800X).
@@innocentiuslacrim2290 some of us have that fps running almost 100% of the time, is it a sickness? Maybe
You go Paul! Good job for getting the video up :)
Hey Paul, great video as always, insightful and informative. Thanks so much for doing what you do.
Very very good to know. I wonder if they'll be able to improve mixed use, like video edit performance for example, over time. Great to see AMD trying this new thing! Mega cache sounds so nice.
Thanks for this Paul, not sure about others but I personally like the slightly delayed video - it allows people who aren't day 1 buyers to have mulled over the launch day videos and thought "but what about this?" To then get answers
Great video! So happy you included compute benchmarks which I didn’t see as much as in other reviews
It's been interesting to see the range of testing. It does excite me for what AM5 will bring.
Awesome content! My desktop started life with a 2700x and a vega 64, I've since upgraded the same system to a 3600xt and a 2080ti ftw3 and I just ordered a 5950x. I'll probably move to another platform next generation for my gaming desktop and move this cpu into my server since 16 cores and 32 threads clocked that well should last me in a server basically forever. And in the meantime it's still a meaningful uplift over my 3600xt which while running other processes in the background feels a little anemic at times.
Appreciate your time in making the video. I'm not a rush out and buy something on the first day kinda guy so no worries releasing it after the other tech-tubers.
Love ya Paul! Your effort and enthusiasm is always appreciated.
Great video Paul!
Great review, what i like from Paul's reviews is you always get the idea fast and even conclusions and thoughts before getting to the end of the video.
Impressive. Impressive in showing how important the amount of cache can be in boosting performance. Hopefully manufacturers can work this I to newer CPUs to boost performance.
I'll say just one thing: I am subscribed to all the other major channels but yours was the only review I was compelled to click on and watch in its entirety.
Out of all of them, for some reason you are the one whose opinion I value the most. You just have a way of presenting the logic of your tests and why one should or should not opt to buy the new piece of hardware that is superior, at least in my eyes.
So, all in all, it was worth the wait.
Thanks for powering through for us Paul!
Great video Paul, watched the whole thing too ;)
Nice. Good recovery, we appreciate your quality work and transparency.
My good man how could we skip to the end , we luv you and i enjoy watching all your thoughts and comments as always Paul ............Excellent luv from AUS
I love your committment to your craft, Paul. The 3D thumb screws on your tee as a not-so-subtle nod to the 3D in the product name, is a case in point! 🧐😁
Very Nice salvage job Paul!
You're quickly becoming my favorite tech CZcamsr. I love the content!
Thank you for including the results with PBO2 and MCE enabled. 👍
Love the benchmarks, I've been rocking a 5900x sinse shortly after launch. But my brother is has a 3800x and is considering the 5800x3D, but given how MSRP continues to fall he will likely wait until AM5 and see if it's worth the $ to upgrade the platform.
the 5900x has been on sale for $379. thats something to consider!
@@rozzbourn3653 AMD also dropped the 5950X price by $250! I’m looking to upgrade from my 3900X
@@Johnny2Gats $519 on amazon, great deal! i think this is happening because we are so close to the am5 launch, and competition.
And the reality is, by the time AM5 is here the prices of these CPUs will be even lower. Honestly, considering the release timeframe, this is probably the worst time to buy a CPU if you're upgrading: we're roughly 4-5 months from the expected release and the price WILL go down. Especially on something like the X3D, where it's probably going to look fairly weak compared to the 7000-series and it's currently riding on the high of being new and cool.
@@rustler08 AMD has been consist about dropping prices over time. I actually got a 5600x on launch and used if for a few months. I knew I could wait and get a 5900x later for cheaper but when my my 5900x order finally shipped I wa threw it and never looked back. I was upgrading from an i5 3570k so I justified the cost because I keep my computers for a long time and I had been budgeting for a solid upgrade.
Well done persevering and getting the video out even if late.
Just excited to be excited about tech again, thanks for the review Paul.
Thank you for another wonderful review video! I'll always watch your content even if it's a little later than the rest of tech tube
I'm still contemplating what to get. Thanks for the review!
Watched to the end... Looking forward to those 3090 ti Sli benchmark tests! 👍😎🍻
Good video, Paul! I would never have expected the cables. First I assumed the motherboard if RAM wasnt the issue.. then perhaps the power supply itself.. but not the cables 😅
Awesome! Thanks for your perseverance in making this video.
Thanks Mike! I considered scrapping it or taking a different approach but I decided to go through with it as planned 😅
Thanks as always for all the hardwork Paul. Stay blessed
There is no skipping around. I came for the whole video intro to outro!
Pleasure as always my good Sir, i hope you had a splendid easter weekend
Thanks for the review Budd
I am still going through therapy over the price drop of my 5900x from the sickening $560.00 I paid to it's current price of $379.99 (give or take 20 if on sale)
Yea I hear you I paid $350 for my 5800X
Prices in the EU are EUR409 for the 5900X and EUR479 for the 5800X3D. EUR70 more for a CPU that is sometimes faster but mostly slower overall. I really want to stick a CPU with a giant L3 in my system but this just doesn't make sense. I wish there was a 5900X3D with 192MB cache, I would have gladly forked over EUR600 for that one. Thanks for directly comparing it with the 5900X. Most other reviews are focused on 5800X vs 5800X3D but they are not in the same price bracket.
I was surprised to see the temps not go down compared to the 5800x given the lower power draws. As you mentioned, looks like th extra cache keeps it toasty still. Thanks!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I find them most valuable even if they were not released on Day 1.
It was a late video but right on point. My son uses his rig specifically for gaming and wanted to upgrade from a Ryzen 5 5600X to a 9 5950. He solely games on the system and the performance and price differential points directly to this chip. It’s on sale right now for $300 so it’s the same price at the 5600 when we built the system. As always, thanks a great review! Much appreciated and have a great holiday!
You guys do a lot of work to make these videos, so I better sit down, watch the whole thing, and I will be enjoying it.
Also, I enjoy "hanging out" with you, it's nice company for the more mind-numbing tasks at work, so yes, even if I've seen benchmarks, seen the reviews and don't plan on buying a 5800x3d, I'll watch the whole thing.
Thank you for including 5600X data! You definitely helped narrow my decision!
would be interesting to revisit 5800x3d once AM5 comes available. Heard rumors that the new ryzens will all sport the 3D cache tech so interested to see how the 5800x3d stacks up then (hopefullly with a discounted price for it too lol) Great video as always!
That's what I came to this video for to find out. I want the 5800x3d but if they come out with a 60003d or 70003d series next month id rather just wait
@@JoseCuervo11 well they didn't and in a few games the 5800x3D still beats the new amd flagships so I'm glad I got it
@Adama.1 thank you for this comment I didn't want to Google what you said
If you're only gaming, 5800X3D wins easily over the 12900K when you take price into consideration
Exactly. It's way less money. Uses like less than half as much power. With amazing platform support (AM4 and DDR4).
And does so at 1Ghz lower boost frequency.
in a local store, I can find at the same price the 5800x3d and the 5900x.
I run my pc with a 4k monitor, (and haven't seen benchmarks at 4k between those two cpus).
considering the almost identical price, and for gaming at 4k, would you still recommend the 5800x3d instead of the 5900x?
thanks.
@@parajuanjo if specifically aiming for gaming, then yes the 5800X3D is the better option, that's where the Vcache shines.
@@michaelkeudel8770 yes, gaming and general use as any regular person (general use that my old 7700 is still more than capabel of).
thanks!
I always watch your vids no matter what the subject is my man, much love.
Thx Paul, liked the video, be well.
Love your videos; one small bit of feedback for your benchmarks:
Can you put "higher is better" for the scores and "lower is better" for the times? This would make them a lot easier to digest as the slides go by.
Thanks for sticking with it Paul. I appreciated your review.
Great video as always Paul. RIP AM4 ey? Might be the last ever review for it, unless Intel 13th gen comes out before AM5 (which it might)
Great review. Thanks
Think your videos are best served both hot and cold and anywhere in between. No worries about being late you have always professional provided us with expertly crafted tech videos. Cheers!
Thanks Paul!
It was well worth the wait Paul!
Love your videos and am proud that you have your priorities right.
Cheers good sir, thanks for the video. All good things come to those whom wait.
From one Paul to another i wouldn't worry about being late. The videos you and Joe make are great. i love your Tech news videos its great to have all the news for the week in one place. btw send me a message if i can make some cool graphics for your videos or merch. :)
your review is the first im watching, so you are still right on time XD
Think you and Kyle need a colab video on PSU issues! 😅
lol I've seen what he's putting my RTX 3090 through, good thing I am still holding his white ASUS 3090 hostage 😂😂
Still worth the wait Paul. Good effort with all the stress.
This seems to be a running theme of the 58003D reviews I've been watching, with people having issues with power supplies and incorrect cables on the i9s.
No worries for the review.
Nice overview, and nuanced conclusion.
What I would like to see is the suggestion for a someone with a mid tier gpu. Should they upgrade to a 5800x3d or upgrade to a 5600X and spend the extra money on upgrading the GPU. I think upgrading to the 5600x and spending the rest of a GPU upgrade would give more fps. To me the 5800x3d is only a consideration for even gaming only use cases if you've nearly maxed the GPU.
I wondering if the 3D V-Cache will be increased on the next Gen Threadripper series (above what the Ryzen lineup will have which im sure will be included on AM5) to bolster its performance against Intels “rumoured” return to HEDT CPUs 🧐🤔?
likely not.
for tasks that is game latency sensitive aka games etc..
question is always if its worth it elsewhere
The fact that people don't think a 16-24 cpu is hedt is mind boggling. Almost nobody can use a 32 or 64 core cpu, maybe 1% of the population using pcs.
I wonder how would a 5800x3d perform against a 5800x and 5900x in gaming + streaming setups. Will that massive cache help? Or will it be hindered by slower clocks.
I bought a 5900x for ~$300 (was $400 but had a $100 in points). I do a little more than just gaming and plan on using this until the 2nd gen AM5 CPU's (to also allow DDR5 to come down in pricing). I heard around that the 5800x 3D is going for a bit above MSRP, so for me to get the 5900x for well under $150 less than this new chip, I feel quite good about it.
The 5900x has been a nice bump from the 3700x I was rocking since it launched.
Great review though! Sorry about the lame issues in testing.
Good review.
Tell your sponsor in this video their ad placement on your video was worth it for them. Been looking for something like that.
Great to see it compared to 5800x and 5900x as these are on sale on release day of the 3Dvc. Thx!
It's 20 minutes before "that time" on this glorious day, guess I'm watching your video while i prep lmao
Love your videos man, even if I have no interest in the product, I will still watch! Thanks for all that you do, keep it up! 🤟
Im always amazed with the videos of paul. It always to the point en very prof. Keep it up
Well done man.
your videos are just so damn good
I'm torn between a 5700x and 5800X3D. I want to squeeze as much remaining life out of my x470 chipset before I take the leap to AM5 or Intel in the future.
that's a very tough call. 5700X is $300 right now, 5800X is $340... If you're going with an RTX 3070 or lower I'd say just save $ for next gen stuff and go with the 5700X or 5800X.
@@paulshardware Thanks for the reply :) I hope to pair it with a 3070 so I think it would be logical to go with a 5700X and put the rest towards next gen :)
Check the used market as well, people upgrading to 5800X3D's will be getting rid of their old 'plain' 5800X's ;)
Not like CPUs really break from old age or use. ( I picked up a 5800X for £200 on facebook marketplace before these 3d versions were even released))
You could also get a next gen GPU, which are looking to be 2x stronger than current gen, later this year. Paired with 5800x3d, 3d will shine even better with no GPU bottle neck. But... The prices. Yeah, stick with 5700x
Buying anything now is a waste of money. better off just buying into a ddr5 platform and sticking with it all the way through ddr5s lifespan
When you said that a 3070 will likely result in minimal difference, does that also cover the TI version, or do you think a 5800X would be better to pair with the 3070TI?
If you have for example a Ryzen 1000 series CPU on an X370 board, and primarily game this could be a way to upgrade to something very competent without switching platforms entirely.
well would you look at that...i have not watched ANY of the reviews for this CPU...looks like i was waiting for the best video to come out 🤟
Currently i am using the Ryzen 9 5950X in my Main-Rig. I thought about using the 5800X3D in this rig because i like the position that the 5800X3D has. It´s a standout CPU with the 3D-Cache and thats what i like, something special. But after this video i become grounded, thank you very much! :)
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Thank you for including the benchmark for the 5600x it seems to me that it is by far a better value as the additional cost for a casual gamer isn't going to translate into a better gaming experience. I'd love to see how bottlenecked a GTX 1060 6GB would be with that processor. I'm guessing it would make the CPU completely redundant for gaming applications. At least for me.
We will watch it anyways, Paul! Your reviews are the only ones that matter!
It's ok Paul I saved my review watching just for your channel.
thanks for the review :)
I think it's hard to find a final verdict on this CPU. What games do you play? what are you typically using while gaming (discord, youtube, etc)? AMD showed the potential of their new cache technology and to me atleast it seems like a nice finale for AM4.
If you were CPU encoding with OBS is a not unlikely scenario.
Its not worth unless you have something as fast as a 3090 ti. And if you have a 3090 Ti Idk why you wouldnt have a 12700K/12900K or 5900X/5950X, moving from any of those to a 5800X is stupid. Its bad value for something that at best rivals a 12700K/12900K. Something tbh Zen 3 already did, and does cheaper
Worth the wait.
Oh that is too funny. Did you and Kyle both get the case of the brain farts?
It's pretty cool what they managed to do,but I already have a 5800x so they'll have to do it to at least a 5900x to give me more compute performance too before I'll buy.
Upgrades within the same gen almost never make any sense. On CPUs, most likely, should jump a few gens before you get the need to upgrade.
Good work
14:40 I see this CPU as a “Trial Run” for the next generation of CPUs. Therefore it should be viewed as an overwhelming success IMO.
They were already using this chiplet in the thread ripper pro lineup. My guess is they had a bunch that didn't meet spec but were still good enough to sell as this. That's what's great about the chiplet design.
@@GregReavis no silicon goes to waste
Thanks paul. Yes I had already watched HWU's great video as a reviewer I value your opinion so I watched this as well.
Thanks for this very well done informative and detailed video.
So would it be okay to enable PBO for the 5800X3D? I have one on the way and will update the bios to make sure it works out of the box.
Hi Paul, please dont stress out over longer upload times. Could you please provide further game testing in a follow-up, like other channels did? Please make sure to include Warzone, it is a game that is quite poorly optimized for pc but made for an 8-core-console-cpu.