Intel vs AMD Laptops in 2024 - What a Mess...
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- čas přidán 23. 05. 2024
- The question of whether the AMD Ryzen 8000 series can beat Intel Core Ultra in laptops depends on a lot of things like battery life, overall performance and gaming. The problem is finding laptops with the same design for a true comparison has been almost impossible but we've finally been able to find laptops with the exact same specs from both AMD and Intel....but then things didn't turn out as planned.
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0:00 - Intel vs AMD on Laptops
0:40 - Apples to Apples - ASUS Zenbook 14 OLED
1:20 - Apples to Apples - Lenovo Yoga Pro 7
2:26 - Sponsor Spot
3:01 - Battery Life SHOCKER
4:28 - Port Selection is SO CLOSE
5:56 - The Laptop Testing Challenge
7:00 - ASUS has an AMD Bias
8:37 - When things go Wrong....
9:19 - Real World Performance Testing
10:29 - Intel Creator Domination
11:11 - Gaming Benchmarks
12:16 - AMD Dropped the Ball in 2024
13:27 - My Recommendation
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Add international measurements (kg alongside the pounds) for future videos, please
Good suggestion. Will do!
@@HardwareCanucksThank you
@@HardwareCanucks We're Canadian
I'm 155 lbs
5' 5"
I can run a kilometre pretty quickly
A bag of milk has four 1L bags
And we bake bread with a few cups of flour
We mix up our units ALL THE TIME
@@bkhleung Not wrong lol, but when it comes weighing people I'd say it can be both, but with groceries, produce etc, it'll definitely be in lbs lol.
@@NootNoot.Instead of lbs you could royal everything. "Royal amount of flour"
Intel: *renames 13000 series as '14th gen'*
AMD: WRITE THAT DOWN! WRITE THAT DOWN!
I'm pretty sure it went the other way. AMD skipped 4000 and 6000, depending on whether you count laptops.
@@ulamss5 its referring to the fact that the 8xxx series from AMD does not bring meaningful improvements (if any) over the 7xxx series, I saw benchmarks where they perform within 2% of each other.
TBF, they have an NPU. What does it matter now? Absolutely nothing. It's like ray-tracing for the RTX 2000 series, in that it's still underpowered and has piss-poor adoption.
@@deeomayall the fact I had forgotten about the NPU shows how important it is 😂. But yeah, will probably come in handy in a couple of years, but at that point I wonder what 40TOPS will be able to do. Didn't intel already announce 100TOPS or something? And AMD won't stay behind... First gen products will become hugely underpowered real fast
Raptor lake > Raptor lake refresh;
Phoenix > Hawk Point;
Now this make sence
Just wait until the Snapdragon X Elite laptops come out. It will make things even more of a mess!
it will be a huge stepup for battery outside of macbooks
but for typical windows users? qualcomm laptops will be something very nishe.
I can bet we will see more Linux users with those for at least 1-2 years..
Windows for ARM is just bad - and emulating x86 on Linux is just painless
@@Karti200you technically don't even need to emulate in Linux, the build tools are native to ARM and you can compile pretty much anything you want. tho it's not convenient
not when qualcomm been releasing fake results
Definitely looking forward to see how that goes. The thing is there are more ARM vendors and if it is a success x86 might be dropped for good. It'll be interesting to see what Nvidia can cook up if it wants to throw its hat in the ring.
But you will be shocked at their prices. Flagship SoC for Qualcomm has been increasing in prices by 20% every generation. SD 8 Gen 3 is $200 now, previous SD 8 Gen 2 was $160 . SD X Elite is a bigger chip , it'll probably cost like an Intel Core Ultra 7 CPU.
Thank you for highlighting the platform bias problem in seemingly identical laptops. We may be missing out on extra performance, stability and/or battery life because OEMs don't put enough love into one platform.
First time?
Hey guys. Small correction. At 5:00 the arrow is mistakenly pointing towards the USB 3.2 Gen 2 port and NOT the USB 4 port. The USB 4 port is on the RIGHT in that image.
1:35 the names/images are flipped
temprature you dont analyse,,,, temp. after 10 loop cinebench important for us,,,,all new intel very hot,throttle
@@raminpro9765 by the way i tried to find any temp test and battery life for i9 laptop and i could not find it. is that really hot? almost no videos may be intel take them down?
@@goodstan1260 under 10 loop cinebench in new asus G16 intel cpu reach 110* and performance drop near 50% ,,,, intel think with change name and add more core its bad architecture solve
@@raminpro9765 you saved me because i prepared to purchase it, what would you recommend?
Honestly the biggest issue is the lack of AMD laptops anywhere.
I tried to buy the Zenbook in this video, its not available anywhere.
It's a Walmart exclusive
The Intel one goes on sale at Best Buy for $800, but I don't see that from the Walmart one. That makes the Intel one a better deal IMO. 1TB drive, cheaper, and you can just walk into a store to get one. I've never seen the Walmart one on display around me. For me, the higher battery life is worth it, but I'm sure others feel different. I am choosing the ultra light Asus so I can easily carry it around.
Finally some good charts and comparisons when conparing laptops. I like how you test the battery life. Keep up the good work and keep innovating
Wow, intel has improved a lot with meteor lake
But this is just tip of the iceberg. More is yet to come.
I had obviously seen that Meteor lake had IMPROVED battery life over older Intel CPU'S, but not better than Ryzen?! WILD. 😅👌
Watch Just Josh review. This review is not honest.
Just Josh is very transparent about power usage for each task, benchmark, battery life. You will be surprised.
It's basically the same but Intel wins in pushing it up a bit more.
@@nhanNguyen-wo8fyit is honest. People forget that it's not just CPU that makes a difference but also optimisation. You can have the most efficient CPUs but if a company doesn't optimise for it, it's basically just running battery like wild.
@@joelconolly5574 No, it's totally different. Cinebench 2024 show ryzen 7 8840hs achieved 24 points per watt while Ultra7 achieved 21 points per Watt.
@@joelconolly5574 Hardware Canuck just carefully manipulates viewer.
HC just shows power usage in 1 Blender task without any performance number take the ultra7 average is 33W, ryzen 7 is 41W.
From then on, assuming that the ultra7 ran at 33W, ryzen7 at 41W in any test, and of course, it's not true.
Bad luck for them. Just Josh make the same comparison review before them and show power usage for each task.
I didn't skip the ad lol, gj that was well made :)
He's lowkey the king of comparison videos
Great video, great listen. Thank you Ser
Beautiful video. Thank you very much. Watched with pleasure.
Recommendations were EXACTLY ON POINT , Well done 👍
You have my sympathy in testing laptops. No wonder one brand have better battery life if it also throttles.
They won't throttle during video playback lol, very small load...
@@K543he just said they were tested at high loads when they noticed the throttling
Excellent deep dive into the importance of hardware and platform context around laptop reviews. Subscribed!
What a great video guys. I hope everyone appreciate the time and effort that goes into one like this.
Just watched your review too, was fantastic. Both of you guys put a lot of effort into your videos, and they turn out extremely well :)
I was missing this kinf of videos. Great!
The best comparison video ever. Thanks sir🎉🎉
Good review. Glad to see good competition from intel on the battery life front finally
the one thing I dont understand is that all these AMD models here in western EU max out at 16GB RAM. The intel ones go up to 32GB. Both zenbooks and yogas. They seem to artificially handicap AMD models for prosumers to sell them Intel laptops. I really wanted the AMD Yoga with 32GB. Strange no youtuber seems to talk about this, Im pretty sure the RAM is worlwide.
Another comment suggested that this may be due to memory bandwidth making 32GB on some AMD chips unavailable at higher megahertz.
@@andyH_England thats really strange considering last years chips had 32gb options and its basically the same chips. I also dont want to believe that it happened because of 5600MTs vs 6400MTs
@@Burbanana Maybe AMD reduced the bandwidth to save money? I have no idea, but I suspect the reason is technical rather than conspiratorial.
Same on the US Lenovo site, only one option, 16GB.
It seems manufacturers position AMD laptops at lower price points than Intel’s. They strip RAM, display resolution and sometimes the finishing materials to position the two otherwise similar products at clearly separate price points. I too would prefer they offered fully specd AMD models.
How many years has it been since the last time I saw a real serious comparison between CPUs of the same tier and generation ?
It's more informative and much more objective than the hundred of videos comparing Ryzen 7 and i9.
Very clarifying. Thank you for the video.
Thank you so much! These are exactly the laptops I wanted to buy, so this comparison came at the perfect time. Hope to see you do the same next year ;)
Very informative and interesting comparison, thanks 👍
Hey there is a mistake in 1:34, the logos are not matching the names correctly, the 7i has the AMD logo when it should be the intel one.
The arrow markers at 5:10 for the AMD Zenbook are pointing to the wrong ports when describing which port offers which spec. The USB icons for 40 gig and power are aligned to the left of the port they are describing. You can literally see physical differences in the cheaper 3.2 port and the 4.0 port from how they are integrated into the chassis
Thanks for noticing. I'll make sure there's a pinned comment.
@@HardwareCanucksYou forgot about the pinned comment
I just bought the Intel Zenbook for $799 from Best Buy. So you CAN pick this laptop up for much less than even the recommended Ryzen 7000 series laptops. Expect sales around Father's Day/Graduation day again.
Awesome analysis on the topic. Thank you.
Enjoyed this, a good comparison. Interesting to see the potential differences. It's sad, that depending on your laptop you're still never going to truly know if you bought the right one 😅. Great advice at the end too!
thanks for this wonderful information... thumbs up to your channel
Well those horrible battery life on AMD is due to buggy power management drivers. They simply push lot of power on light and medium load pushing the thermals to far 95C and sustained workloads takes a significant frequency drop. Usually uninstalling it restores the correct power+frequency scaling for better battery life.
How did they manage to bottle those drivers?
@@israellewis5484 those are made by Asus that deviate from AMD recommended power and frequency values
do you guys hate it when manufacturers max out only one port like 5:33 ?
if it's a usb-a (on a desktop, for example), i want it to be 3.2 x4, not 3.2 x1 and 3.1 x3.
if it's a usb-c, it has to be 10gbps x2 or 40gbps x2, not 40gbps x1 and 10gbps x1.
same with m2 slots, lan ports (on a motherboard).
am i the only one like this? i just don't want to think which one to use. lol. that's not crazy right?
It has to be a cost thing, but it is very annoying. I wonder how much it really is though, you would think it would only be like another $2 or $4. It must be a fair amount more though. since they could just say we are only buying USB 3.2 x 2 minimum because of Economies of Scale and be done with it. Let other lower end products deal with it. IOT and the like, many other devices still are fine with lower end USB. Still millions and millions worldwide, but not really needed on 13th Gen or AMD 7000 series laptops or higher. Desktops should just have one USB 2.0 A port ( keyboard / mouse ) in case there is interference for something since USB 3.0 can cause that for some wireless mouse and keyboards for instance (Logitech). Desktops now need to come with one 10G LAN port ( GbE ), preferably 10G SFP+ to save on heat and electricity. I hear more and more places are going over 2.5 G internet for the home, some have 8G and 10G, let alone more people should be doing their own backups at home which you would really need 10G LAN ports then if you want fast internal speed in your home or apt. Since what you "purchase" isn't really yours apparently. Having your own NAS or small server for some self hosted things may be the way to go. It is a PITA, but this most likely ALL has to do with the PCIe lanes on the motherboard and the CPU and what they can handle, they probably just can't handle that much. Just like what I found out like a month ago, a Dell Precision workstation laptops since 8th Gen Intel's have had the capability to have 3 NVMe's in there, yes Three!! Like what WTH. So if they could of done that back then, maybe even 7th Gen, haven't looked at 6th, but the 9th, 10th and 11th for sure can as long as it's a big enough screen. Can't expect it if it's a Dell Precision 14" screen since not enough room. So they are basically using server grade mother boards which have more PCIe lanes which means it CAN be done. If the mfg's wanted to they could all say, this is THEE standard, no BS.
different ports are prices differently. so they have to balance it out. but imagine the thinkpad x1 latest model. it has multiple thunderbolt and consistently all of their ports are latest.
Could you include more comprehensive benchmarks like geekbench or spec? These should deliver a more complete picture for use cases not covered and are better for a general benchmark than cinebench
Awesome job reviewing these!
The lengths you guys went to make the test as apple to apple as possible is truly amazing. This is true testing. Respect!!
Keep up the good work
Do you think the core ultra chips will get better through bios and firmware updates?
Thanks for this detailed explanation, extremely helpful. I'mma pass on this gen and try to wait for next year.
Is there more to processors more than their raw performance that could be deciding factor? All the other specs and encoder performance etc?
On the Yoga Pro's the memory on the Intel is actually technically ''faster'', Although the AMD set is tighter, 6400MT/s cl50 = 15.6 nano seconds, and the 7467MT/s cl64 = 17.1 nano seconds.
To give you a reference my DDR4 4600MT/s CL18 = 7.8 Nano seconds.
I know that DDR5 is double the bandwidth, but my DDR4 would do 2 transfers in less time than the 7467MT/s DDR5 would take to do 1, does that make my DDR4 ''faster'' than this DDR5?
Also I know they seem to get away with slower timings on laptop ram, because for my sons laptop, it was a hunt to find 32gb kit of DDR4 3200MT/s CL16, most are CL22,
CL16 = 10 nano seconds CL22 = 13.75 Nano seconds.
I found 2 kits, tightest was, 1 kit from Mushkin, Redline (CL16,18-18-38) and the other was, 1 kit from T.Force, Zeus (CL16,20-20-40).
My son got the Mushkin, and my mothers laptop got the T.Force, their identical, but I know the Mushkin are technically better lol.
Always look past just the MT/s speed, and use a latency calculator.
Great video! I have an itch to go into one of those current laptops on a convertible platform because they already are ultra versatile.. currently on an envy x360 OLED with an i5 1135 g7 and while it works fine, it lacks some things to be a truly versatile machine (just 8GB of ram and the graphics are not that great)
I'm going to wait for amd strix point mobile, it will get a signigicant architecture in all 3 compute core units (CPU NPU and GPU) as well as the introduction of efficiency cores... seems to be worth the wait big time, so i think you are absolutely spot on with your recommendation.
The ASUS' AMD bias isn't surprising, knowing they're the only ones so far selling full AMD laptops worldwide and using the "AMD Advantage" label. Their pricing is really crap though, it's unaffordable in most of Europe for the performance you get, to the point even going for RTX 3060 laptops is viable against a 7600S laptop because you'd be paying twice more for the 7600S and not getting any "advantage" (except battery on idle).
Asus is notoriously expensive indeed. ROG Zephyrus latest release has soldered RAM.. not upgradeable.. despite the price tag
Excelente comparación ! Gracias.
Thank you for the amazing review of the current mess of a laptop market! Just wanted to point out that the 7000 Ryzen series laptops that were recommended, they sneakily use zen 3 architecture from 6000 series. I don't think buying them even on such discount is a good idea. Recently got a lenovo ideapad slim 3i for my friend mostly for school. I was torn between ryzen 5 7530U or intel core 5 150U. Ultimately went with the latter after doing a ton of research and it has been great so far!
Great to see mike reviewing laptops too! And good for intel to finally catch up, even if it takes 2 years 😂
I guess already by the end of the year we'll get zen 5 so the wait for new stuff shouldn't take that long ❤
Really good review and recommendation
Great video, thanks! 👍
So would you recommend a yoga 7i oled i7-1360P or a Yoga 7 oled Ryzen 7-8840HS, currently at the same price? Or maybe a similarly priced Vivobook S oled Ryzen 7-7730U instead??
Ryzen 100%
Man thanks for this! I really appreciate this review!
Very thorough testing, well explained and represented with graphs. Not only that but actual useful advice in the end to the consumer. This is top notch content!
Fr!
Thanks!
Great and important video. Could you please do a video on Intel Arc Graphics vs GeForce RTX... essentially something like the samsung galaxy book 4 intel arc graphics vs asus zenbook 14 rtx 3070.
Great stuff really!
I didn't want to buy a new laptop even though I am in great need, so I had my company doing it for me. I almost went for the Ryzen here but ended up with Lenovo Yoga Pro 7 Ultra i7 155H.
So far I am still waiting for it, and the day I never thought would come is getting closer where I am replacing my Zenbook 13 with Intel i7 8565u.
Sir would you recommend HP Aero Laptops? Are they good?
8840hs goes with ultra books for lower price, but recent sales make laptops with ultra core 5 a very tempting deal. But it is by no means a 8840hs
Best comparison of Intel and AMD on laptops I have ever seen, excellent work!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I am glad you have a benchmark on dota 2. thanks
Great job! Thank you!
Exactly what i was looking for thanks
Appreciate the time it took to benchmark and edit this video ❤
Amazing review, analysis and recommendations!
Haven't been following the laptop CPU market very closley so this video came in dummy clutch.
Cool Wallpaper. Where can I find it?
Going off your advice in the video, I found this laptop on sale at a big box retailer for $999. Thoughts?:
Lenovo Slim 7 Pro X 14.5" Touchscreen Laptop - AMD Ryzen 9 6900HS - GeForce RTX 3050 (4GB VRAM) - 120Hz 3072 x 1920 Display - 32GB RAM - 1TB SSD - Model: 82V20003US
I need to run poorly optimized, processor and memory intensive apps that deal with large datasets up to 10GB each. I value a small durable chassis, good battery life (when I’m not taxing the CPU/GPU with heavy tasks), and a high resolution screen to view large graphs and charts with minimal scrolling.
great in depth comparison
I just watch Just Josh video review the Asus zenbook 14.
He very transparent about power usage and power efficiency of the 2 cpu in every test.
I checked Josh and he showed like a graph of avg power use, while these guys show graph of power usage over time. Which part should they include more though?
@@mcslender2965 First this video was clearly manipulating lied. This video show 1 power usage of Blender task with no performance measurement then use it as the power consumption for every other task which is 100% sure was not true.
Just josh show how much power usage for benchmark exactly which benchmark by average point/power.
I am using a Lenovo IdeaPad 5 Pro with Ryzen 5 5600H since nearly 2 years on a daily basis for work - not one single crash. The battery duration is no thing, since it won't be more than a couple of hours on battery anyways. Imho of most importance is the display frequency which is 120Hz and makes the difference in the daily work for your eyes more than any other feature.
Good advice about 7000 series, but I still got chinese model Thinkbook 16" since it has Oculink port on Intel models.
Now, let's talk about lagging and stuttering issues that occurred with pc build intel cpus, does this also happen to intel mobile processor or only desktop processor?
So meteor lake did improved a lot.
On the CPU side. The GPU (Arc in them) is buggy as hell and has a lot of drivers issue in the games. Can't even open major games like Doom, Warzone and so on. If someone wants games as well they should forget about this Intel Ultra chips with just Arc inside them.
@@mariussm7797 True, Ryzen does still have the edge in gaming (although Intel does put up a surprisingly decent fight)
is 7735hs good to buy rn ? i mean it was the only option cheap enough paired with 4050 so i bought it
This kind of illustrates my issue with laptop and specifically laptop shopping. Almost everything is "buy it as is, or don't buy at all. You should be happy." Aesthetics and IO definitely come into play for so many shoppers, and most of the time you find something so close to what you want; if only you could just go to a configurator and just change one thing. But most of it only has a "buy now" button with no "customize" option(s). Say you find a line of laptops that looks pretty good, but it doesn't have the I/O you want because you really need plenty of USB-A and an SD card, and you find something powerful enough, but no SD card reader.
But you find a line that does have SD card readers, but it cuts USB-A to only one in favor of adding I/O you've never heard of, oh and it looks ugly as hell and isn't nearly as powerful as the other line. And even if you only visit one seller's sight and only look at that one sight, it's like every laptop has a different chassis. Oh, look, two models whose only difference is one has 8GB of RAM and the other has 16GB of RAM... and for some reason their chassis is completely fucking different between the two, and there is no option to take the 8GB model and customize it to increase the RAM. Whoever is making the decisions on how to add more SKUs to the website is a money wasting moron. Apple's stuff might not be worth the price for most people, but at least if you look at macbooks, the chassis and I/O doesn't completely fucking change just because a lower RAM model doesn't have the option to double the RAM to match a high model with different I/O. (I have no idea if this is making sense through text.)
It's why I looked into framework. Especially because I can actually customize the I/O. Kind of sucks they don't have Intel options for anyone who prefers Intel, but they are still fairly new and doing something beyond what anyone else even dreams of doing, and I applaud them for having as many options as they have already.
But seriously, imagine looking at these laptops in the video and thinking "yeah, I'll totally pay for which ever one had better power even if the battery life is a bit worse." But then looking at SKUs and realizing you like the I/O of the weaker one better, but there's no way to customize it to get the best of both worlds. Laptops really freaking suck in that way. The price of portability.
Can u use distinct colour or pattern or some sign when lower is better in charts
how do you set laptops to 150 nits for your testing? do you use a light meter ?
But what about for Davinci Resolve? AMD isn't a great choice, so would you still recommend the '23 laptop with AMD or a current-gen Intel?
I got a R7 7840u Yoga Slim 6 for €650 (that's after the insane 25% VAT my country has too). It works excellent as a school laptop and can do light to even medium gaming on the side.
Great video!
Great video thanks
Regarding the gradual clockspeed decrease on the zenbook with intel, asus hasn t done anything to address it in the past FIVE years. I have a 2019 zenbook ux434 with an i7 10510u, and the same behaviour happens. It starts at 30w turbo, which naturally decreases when it switches to PL1 (15w), then it slowly goes down to around 8w, sometimes even 7 when rerunning cinebench, and temperatures are around 65C. The fix is either using throttlestop or using linux which is way more consistent.
now we need proper gaming performance comparison between msi claw and rog ally. Especially when alot of msi claw videos are when it's using old bios and igpu drivers
the asus with intel cpu has probably an overheating vrm. that doesn't necessarily show in the cpu temperature chart, but leads to throtteling anyway.
10:34, How did lenovo AMD model gone lower even if its jigher wattage.
The idea of this notebook comparision in the same chassis is awesome. I don’t fully agree with some of your conclusions but you are mostly right
This is Important: Did you use the updated BIOS for Intel Zenbook?
I actually enjoyed that arctic add, was fun
I feel for the Intel chips in the Zen books, we should stage a sitting, to get them fed properly. This is CPU abuse, and should not be tolerated!
The best conclusion for this generation is what you said at the end.
Totally agree 👍💯
At 11:44 not sure how amd zenbook at 41w gets 132.6 fps while the amd yoga at 63w only gets 118 fps ?!
I've already decided that if I'm getting a new laptop anytime soon I'm either going all the way to a 4090 equipped powerhouse or I'm getting a Framework. No in betweens.
I want to see a similar comaparision video once the Snapdragon Windows laptop are in the market. Thanks
Interesting comparison. I note this was for the latest Intel and AMD H series processors. Is the same true for the latest Intel and AMD U series processors? A saw video comparing Minisforum V3 with AMD 7 8840U Vs Microsoft Surface Pro 10 with Intel Core Ultra 7 165U. AMD outperformed Intel especially with respect to graphics (+40%), and Intel needed more watts (44W) when matching AMD performance (31W).
Kinda sad when a brand new architecture can barely beat a refresh
most of the meteor lake architecture isn't new tbh, it's mostly their packaging method and IGPU that changed. the CPU itself only has fairly minor changes. imo the real improvements will come with arrow lake which on desktop supposedly has a 25% IPC gain and something stupid like 40% performance gain even after removing hyperthreading
@fantasypvp Yeah I know all that. It's using "chiplets" in the worst way. Just for packaging. The 2 small cores that save all the idle power is the only decent thing. I think Arrow Lake might bust given some of the core designs that are proposed if they can't get their cpu to work at 15w with sustained clocks. But maybe they'll get their garbage power consumption figured out
yeah true. At least the good thing is that the battery life is massively improved, which shows that intel does care about higher efficiency now.
@@fantasypvp40% performance uplift. Sure man, you're dreaming
@@karl5010 Don't think 40% will be the average gain, although it will definitely happen in a few areas like Multi-Core. Some official sources have said that Zen 5 is expected to bring around ~10% IPC uplift(although we need to wait till release day to say thats actually true.
Arrow Lake performance gain should more likely be something like 20-30% in most scenarios, maybe more in select scenarios, similar to what Alder Lake was. They have a chance of beating Zen 5 in performance(due to using a superior node), but again, only time will tell if Arrow Lake is a monster or a failure.
I think for the stress tests in battery life, you should do a fixed load. Eg. Running the Witcher 3 with an FPS limit (30fps), or equivalent benchmark.
That's not the sort of workload you'd be expected to run often on battery. I think we browsing / video playback is a more useful information.
@@Pamani_ perhaps, but then this video (and others) shouldn't have a battery life under maximum workload figure. A simply FPS cap or other 'pacing' restriction will allow CPUs to be compared for efficiency at that given workload.
If an RTX 4090 does 4 times the amount of work for 3 times the power consumption compared to a RTX 4060, then it doesn't actually answer which is better since performance and power don't scale linearly, and the RTX 4090 still consumed 3x the power of the 4060
If they did the same workload, then you could at least say that at a fixed wattage (or fixed output {IE. FPS}) one did better than the other.
Just got a zenbook duo 2024 with a core ultra 9. That thing is insane and It gets like 12 hours of battery with 120hz high brightness
Nice! Isn't zen book the one with two displays?
How about temperatures and noise?
That's zenbook duo @@Shadowzz.
Dayum. My yoga pro 9i with the same CPU gets like 5hrs
@@jeffersonmp4 dead silent, runs a little warm but no overheating. It has two oleds so that was to be expected
You are right about problems with the ARC drivers. Forza Horizon 4 crashes on every Intel Core Ultra + ARC laptop I've tried (Zenbooks & Vivobooks). No problems with the AMD-powered Asus Zenbook 14 OLED.
Ive had both of those zenbooks plus a spectre x360 and i had reliability issues on both of the core ultra chips. Just a bunch of weird bugs and and slow downs for no reasons at all.
Sorry to hear that. I've used intel's processors but personally never faced any problems with them at all.
I guess you will be switching to AMD then?
I love your fair review, another strange thing is that AMD in 14 size never comes with 32GB only 16GB giving a credit to Intel, which is strange
True... that’s why I’ll be going for Intel probably
@@PlatinAviation im waiting Snapdragon X Elite
@@goodstan1260 yeah, that will be interesting :)
I’m excited for the yoga pro 7 with snapdragon that was leaked a few days ago
This could be due to memory gearing. Intel is transparent with their specs wherein 64GB and above would lead to their IMC running at 6400 speeds. Meanwhile. AMD doesn't publish their gearing table that I've seen so it could be the higher spec LPDDR5x-7467 is only available at 16GB and below. Butt hats just supposition on my part.
@@HardwareCanucks I think Snapdragon is best what would happen this year to laptop market, i'm ultra book user 13-14-14.5 at max. And without Snap they wont improve anything , i waited 24 to purchase 8000 series and this is weak, may be if they release zen5 this year i would purchase it. Something interesting should happen this year , crossing fingers for Snapdragon competition
Good on intel. While i am currently all AMD (still happy with 5800x3d on pc and 5800h on laptop) we need good competition. Waiting for snapdragon as well as my laptop could do with better battery life.
7:37, Maybe INTEL SOCs with multiple components it may bad to push higher.
And there I was, thinking this is the year I'm gonna upgrade
I am in the market for a new laptop. My current laptop runs a Ryzen cpu & gpu and it has served me well over the years. It is also my first AMD powered laptop as all previous have been Intel. I chose my current laptop over an Intel model and I have had no issues. Contrary to your take on battery life, I use my laptop always plugged into power and this I have always done regardless with all my laptops. The battery resources are barely used and I would expect most purchasers to do the same. If battery life was a must for the work I do such as a mobile banker then my choice would be an Apple using an ARM cpu. What is exciting could be the new range of laptops with a Qualcomm cpu & gpu running Windows, and using Windows has it's advantages.
what a crazy statement, what's the point of having a laptop
@@BankruptGreek Owning a laptop allows me to interact with my family while using it rather than hiding in a room all secluded when using a pc. I can also take it outside when I take my meds and can also take it to hospital.
I never thought plugging into power will save the battery from degrading, is that true?
Maybe the power mosfets are at their temp limit?