If you take Seles and Sampras(in their prime) and drop them into any era of tennis, they would both dominate. That is a fact. Most major titles doesn’t make anyone GOAT.
The transition between the eras Navratilova/Evert & Graf/Seles, left the best stage in the history of women's tennis. What a players!, how much competitive intensity!
Serena has won 23 slams. Seles would never have won that many and probably at best 1 Wimbledon even without the stabbing. Since Serena is the GOAT (not Graf) no she would not have ever been the GOAT.
Nobody had won as many slams as Seles did as a teenager. She wasn't even at her peak yet and not even 20 years old when the stabbing happened. And if her career hadn't been interrupted by the stabbing, she wins more than one Wimbledon. If Conchita Martinez could win Wimbledon, and Arantxa Sanchez Vicario could push Steffi on grass, Monica definitely would have been able to win there.
Douglas Varley pretty ignorant comment; this girl was stabbed when she was still a teenager. For all we know she could have exceeded 30 GSs and been the clear GOAT
Yes it is possible Seles could have won 30 slams and it is also possible purple pigs will start flying in the sky tommorow. Neither is remotedly likely however.
Connolly won more slams than Seles did as a teenager and was more dominant, so your first comment is wrong. Seles lost her only Wimbledon final (at her peak) 6-2, 6-1, only once made it past the quarters of Wimbledon, and had numerous early losses to no names throughout her career. She would be lucky to win just 1 Wimbledon, never mind winning more. Your Martinez example means nothing, as by that logic if Bartoli wins Wimbledon of course Henin would have. Ooops.
I watched only two players by my heart and with passion.. 1st Sachin Tendulkar.. great Indian batsman and second charming Monica seles.. both are awesome..
I'm a big Serena William and Novak Djokovic fan, nevertheless, I think Monica Seles was even greater than Federer, Laver, or Margaret C, Graff or Serena. Why? Because in addition of living in a sexist society, she had to endure a personal attack, blocking her success. You have to be the greatest to be violently stopped, because they knew she was going to continue winning titles. Serena and Venus dealed with sexism and racism, that's why both are greater than Graff in my view, but not greater than Seles. Besides, Slams being a teenager? That's unbelievable! #TeamMonicaSeles
@@WhiteWolfBitcoin I think that playing the victim for that attack didn´t help Seles and will not help your argument either. Seles wasn´t strong enough to make the transition from teen wonder to mature consistent player and she had other problems too, so the stab was not everything in Seles life and much less in women´s tennis.
@@WhiteWolfBitcoin Your arguments are not based on serious stats but only on fallacies. Would you think that that the 365 days of the year the temperatures will remain boiling hot just because you´re in the middle of July and you experienced it the last weeks? would you say all cats in the world are black just because you saw a couple of black cats? You´re just focusing on the best facts about Seles in a short period, which are indeed remarkable but doesn´t say anything about Sele´s whole career and much less about the rest of the tour´s players
@@WhiteWolfBitcoin Again, just fallacies, I could also say at the end of 88 that Graf would have won 3 golden slams more, or at the end of 1997 that Hingis would end up with 15 slams, or in 2002 that Serena would win all RG, Wimbledon and USO the next 10 years but you can´t make a serious prediction being biased towards a single player´s achievements in a certain period of time, that´s just a fallacy
@@franstar1730 You assume the worst of Seles because you're unfair as a Graf fans and Seles hater .. At the time of stabbing, - Seles had just won a convincing victory over Graf at the AO where the final set was a 6-2 drubbing of Graf. - She was on a roll winning 7 out of 8 slams she entered ... - She had not even reached her physical crescendo as all these occurred before her 20th birthday. Obviously she will only get stronger and more powerful ... - Seles had the same focus and determination as Graf, thats why she was able to beat Graf in 3 slam finals within 2.5 years ...... why would you assume she will never be able to improve on all aspects of her game including her footwork if without stabbing ? - Even after the stabbing .... when Seles came back to tennis, although she had weight issues from PTSD eating disorder due to the trauma of the stabbing and her dad's cancer, although she went 1-4 against Graf, if we look at the matches in terms of who won more games within a match, she still lead Graf by 3-2 (in 2 of Graf's wins, Seles actually won more games than Graf) ..... What does that tell us ... ask yourself what Seles could have done to Graf if she did not have to deal with the PTSD eating disorder due to the stabbing....
I love Steffi and Martina Navratilova. But Seles gives me goosebumps. She caused me to stay put in front of TV. Her intensity to finish off a match is second to none.
Not even the Big 3 had Monica’s combination of mental toughness, accuracy, power, and angles. She never threw her racquet, threw a tantrum, or constantly looked up at her box even when she was 15. The best ever! The true GOAT!
it would be like if someone stabbed Nadal or Djokovic or Federer today....we will never know how many more grand slams they would have won. Monica has the undisputed best player in the world. and she was stabbed at her peak.
@Illya Kuryakin Not necessarily. And keep in mind, Seles was 19 years old, and she, like everyone else, thought a tennis court would be a safe space. It wasn't just the stabbing injury, which was just a flesh wound, but it was the fear that the tennis court was no longer safe. That took longer to get over. And when she came back, you could tell she was different. She was more serious and not as care-free.
@Illya Kuryakin Because a tennis court is the last place you expect to be attacked. It's a place where you're doing what you love to do, and then the sacred place is violated. This wasn't a back alley mugging or a robbery at a liquor store.
@Illya Kuryakin Not all, but some. Trauma effects people differently. Some people, after a violent crime, are afraid to leave their homes. Some people who are attacked on a subway, will never ride the subway again, and choose to ride cabs instead. Some people want to avoid hospitals at all costs if they saw a loved one go into a hospital and then die. People who survived a fire or sinking on a ship or oil platform choose to never go out to sea again. Trauma affects everybody differently. And Monica being off tour for two years because of the attack is not abnormal.
@Illya Kuryakin Nobody is saying that it is Steffi's fault. But the fact of the matter is that she did benefit from Monica's stabbing, as nobody else on tour was pushing Steffi, consistently.
@Illya Kuryakin Her binge eating was AFTER the stabbing. Not before. And name another all-time great player that benefited from their main rival being attacked? Never happened with Martina and Chrissie. Never happened with Pete and Andre. Never happened with Roger and Rafa or Novak. Steffi is the only one mentioned because this is the only time something like this has happened. And any tennis player or tennis expert from any country can see that Monica was the only player that was an equal to Steffi, and had the stabbing not happened, Steffi and Monica's slam counts are much different. Probably even with Monica having more than 9 and Steffi having less than 22. They would have been trading GS much like Chrissie and Martina did, and the Big Three are currently doing now.
@@adar601278 Her ground strokes were so punishing and they just kept coming. She was a backboard. She wasn’t trying to hit a lot of winners. She was more just pounding your weak spots.
Unfortunately, we never even got to see a peak Seles at just age 19 when she was stabbed. She would have won many, many more Grand Slams. She was only getting fitter, stronger, faster, and adding more to her game when she was stabbed. She looked better every time I saw her play, so there is no reason to think she would have all of a sudden suffered a career threatening injury right before the French Open, or burnt out, as all Graf fans keep saying, especially at just 19 when she had won 7 of the last 8 Grand Slams she competed in. Why would she just suddenly lose total interest when she was racking up those types of records at just age 19 like all Graf fans believe? Most of which are probably from Germany where they all idolize Hitler, Satin, and the man who stabbed Seles. Yes, they believe they come from a country with a really glorious past. They are walking shit people, and who even gives an f about the crazy things they say?
I read in the paper, back then, that the German people were all cheering when one of their own stabbed Seles. And of course, they ruled against Monica Seles in their court system. I'm from the US and I hear the Germans are always calling Americans "Those dirty Americans." Obviously, they are too dumb to know about their own past, or are just Hitler worshippers.
It's not Steffi Graf fans, but logic ans reason, intellect, that says it's possible. If you don't have a window into Seles's brain then you can never know what was happening in her mind. What we DO know is this. She is human not a god and therefore CAN succumb to mental breakdown. What: do you know why many teens commit suicide, are addicted to smoking, alcohol, sex, social media, hate, bigotry, racism, violence and more? But for you, it's impossible because evidence, science, is like hearsay and rumors. Secondly, it DOES happen to many athletes from all sports that they are Good for a few years but then they are not as good anymore, although effective, and Seles appears to have been one of those. As I've said, it happens to many athletes and Seles is not different. Thirdly, I love how feeble Seles fans exaggerate with "total interest" and such terms, because I don't think I've ever read that from any other tennis players' comments. Fourthly, Seles STILL had what she did before that paper cut (yes I exaggerate but it is relative) because she won one more slam and various other titles. She just wasn't as good anymore JUST LIKE OTHER ATHLETES from other sports come to some sort of curve on the road. Lastly, her competition figured her out, her weakness: her always double-handing everything, and they went for it. It's no bodies fault because this is a sport, a competitive sport. But you wont see to this because the truth, reason, are not your strengths.
@reparata11 after reading your comment I don't think I've ever seen a more disrespectful and offensive comment towards Germany and the German people. You mentioned Hitler in your comment I noticed. There's 2 accounts of what happened during World War 2 - the official history and the secret history. I suggest you look much deeper into the forces that were behind starting WW2. But do not condemn the most civilized and benevolent country in Europe. Do not condemn her people. Unless you know something the rest of us don't know?
That no one will ever know. Many, many athletes from all other sports do Great for a few years, then they drop some, and this happened to Seles: she is as human as any one of them. It was simply Seles's time to stop being good, and again, the same has happened to many other athletes.
@@markuse3472 Here again? WHAT THE HELL YOU WANT IN MONICAS VIDEOS? WHAT THE HELL YOU WANT? Please, take your noisy burps and stinky farts out of there, do you understand? DO YOU UNDERSTAND, TROLL? 💩🦨🤮
Exactly and then there's the people that like to pretend Monica was always going to start losing. ! I think the knife on the tennis court should be as prestigious as 10 wimbledons . I mean you have to be unbeatable to earn the knife award
@@WhiteWolfBitcoin Monica lost her father and I think he was very important to keeping her game together and I think the loss of him the knife was just enought to dent her enough for someone always to be in the way . But she would of won ten or more she was less aggressive after the stabbing still good but a bit more bearable I'd say her father could of helped her I'd say the knife affected him so much he got cancer I don't know that but maybe it did who knows
Monica Seles beaten Steffi Graf on a regular basis... some old guy (richard evens) says in this docu. 1 1989 French Open Clay SF Graf 6-3, 3-6, 6-3 2 1989 Wimbledon Grass 4RD Graf 6-0, 6-1 3 1989 Brighton Indoors F Graf 7-5, 6-4 4 1990 Berlin Clay F Seles 6-4, 6-3 5 1990 French Open Clay F Seles 7-6, 6-4 6 1991 San Antonio Hard F Graf 6-4, 6-3 7 1991 Hamburg Clay F Graf 7-5, 6-7, 6-3 8 1992 French Open Clay F Seles 6-2, 3-6, 10-8 9 1992 Wimbledon Grass F Graf 6-2, 6-1 10 1993 Australian Open Hard F Seles 4-6, 6-3, 6-2 11 1995 US Open Hard F Graf 7-6, 0-6, 6-3 12 1996 US Open Hard F Graf 7-5, 6-4 13 1998 New York City Indoors QF Graf 1-6, 6-4, 6-4 14 1999 Australian Open Hard QF Seles 7-5, 6-1 15 1999 French Open Clay SF Graf 6-7, 6-3, 6-4 Not true. Only once she won two times in a row. Once. I have no problem with people saying that Monica would have won so much more and Steffi might not have.. that is an opinion. But stick to the facts in a docu...
no one is saying that graf would have not won anymore but obviously she would have not won 22 slams with monica round it is just mathematic but both remains great champions and in sport "what if" does not exist:)
You're including matches after the stabbing. Before the stabbing, they had played just 10 times, with 8 of those being in finals, which is rare. And the first 3 wins came against a young, inexperienced 15-year-old Monica. And in the 8 finals, they split the meetings, but Monica did win the bigger finals. She was 3-1 in their GS finals.
Woah-woah woah! Jordan is my favorite basketball player (I like The Bulls), and for me he is the best player of all time, but as a competitor? Intellect disagrees. There just can't be ONE best competitor. There are many, many equally competitors at the top, not just one. In that, Seles can't also be, according to that guy, the best tennis competitor of all time. Its not possible. There can't also be One best guitarist in popular music of all time: there are a handful equally at the top. More so, just because Monica introduced that double-handed fore-and-back-hand with power, doesn't mean it made her untouchable as they make it seem in this video. Its a very, very, very simple tactic: she was trained and coached to do so. There is nothing genius about it. They say heavy metal would not have come but for Black Sabbath, but they are wrong. It was coming no matter what. Other bands had already sampled the sound. It was bound to take root and grow. Its the same with athletes and all sports: things grow. Its not genius. Genius is something hardly anyone else can do, and we know many others are now doing it. An introduction is a basic idea and that is it. I love Monica, but its evident pop culture stupidity runs through most peoples' minds regardless of their profession and its evident here (Chris Clarey, an obvious prejudice man). Richard Evens, the same. Fact also is that many seem great but end up only being at the top a short time. But no one pays mind to them. Monicas time was up. Players, including Steffi, figured out her weakness. A huge weakness. It wasn't Hingis' nor Capriatis and sure as many foods are toxicated, not Steffis. But Monicas time was simply up. Its obvious she still had what it took after the stabbing, very obvious, but she was not meant to have risen much more. The stab on Monica was so minute its ridiculous thinking that was what made her physically less of a player after 1993. Completely absurd. The other players simply figured her out, her weakness (if I have to explain then her fans are surely closeted people). Steffi 6-4 in her favor, pre-1993, H2H. M J's father was murdered yet, he came back and led the Bulls to 3 more titles. Many, many other athletes have suffered more serious physical injuries and mental hardships than Seles, yet, they came back and regained their top-semi-top status. The announcer that said Seles was beating Steffi only shows how stupid professional people (he) can be. People are overall educated with pop culture (biases and prejudices) stupidity more and more, and real reason and intellect are frowned upon. Steffi showed she was the best, and she still is the GOAT. The Williams' are cheats, not technically, but virtually and reasonably. Their dad taught and instructed them to Scream and Howl when playing, ONLY TO ANNOY and FRUSTRATE their competition. It worked. Many say "well, Monica did, too"--NO: Monica obviously Grunted, sometimes loud, but they surely weren't screams. They also took PEDS/Roids and that is obvious.
Woah-woah woah! Jordan is my favorite basketball player (I like The Bulls), and for me he is the best player of all time, but as a competitor? Intellect disagrees. There just can't be ONE best competitor. There are many, many equally competitors at the top, not just one. In that, Seles can't also be, according to that guy, the best tennis competitor of all time. Its not possible. There can't also be One best guitarist in popular music of all time: there are a handful equally at the top. More so, just because Monica introduced that double-handed fore-and-back-hand with power, doesn't mean it made her untouchable as they make it seem in this video. Its a very, very, very simple tactic: she was trained and coached to do so. There is nothing genius about it. They say heavy metal would not have come but for Black Sabbath, but they are wrong. It was coming no matter what. Other bands had already sampled the sound. It was bound to take root and grow. Its the same with athletes and all sports: things grow. Its not genius. Genius is something hardly anyone else can do, and we know many others are now doing it. An introduction is a basic idea and that is it. I love Monica, but its evident pop culture stupidity runs through most peoples' minds regardless of their profession and its evident here (Chris Clarey, an obvious prejudice man). Richard Evens, the same. Fact also is that many seem great but end up only being at the top a short time. But no one pays mind to them. Monicas time was up. Players, including Steffi, figured out her weakness. A huge weakness. It wasn't Hingis' nor Capriatis and sure as many foods are toxicated, not Steffis. But Monicas time was simply up. Its obvious she still had what it took after the stabbing, very obvious, but she was not meant to have risen much more. The stab on Monica was so minute its ridiculous thinking that was what made her physically less of a player after 1993. Completely absurd. The other players simply figured her out, her weakness (if I have to explain then her fans are surely closeted people). Steffi 6-4 in her favor, pre-1993, H2H. M J's father was murdered yet, he came back and led the Bulls to 3 more titles. Many, many other athletes have suffered more serious physical injuries and mental hardships than Seles, yet, they came back and regained their top-semi-top status. The announcer that said Seles was beating Steffi only shows how stupid professional people (he) can be. People are overall educated with pop culture (biases and prejudices) stupidity more and more, and real reason and intellect are frowned upon. Steffi showed she was the best, and she still is the GOAT. The Williams' are cheats, not technically, but virtually and reasonably. Their dad taught and instructed them to Scream and Howl when playing, ONLY TO ANNOY and FRUSTRATE their competition. It worked. Many say "well, Monica did, too"--NO: Monica obviously Grunted, sometimes loud, but they surely weren't screams. They also took PEDS/Roids and that is obvious.
Woah-woah woah! Jordan is my favorite basketball player (I like The Bulls), and for me he is the best player of all time, but as a competitor? Intellect disagrees. There just can't be ONE best competitor. There are many, many equally competitors at the top, not just one. In that, Seles can't also be, according to that guy, the best tennis competitor of all time. Its not possible. There can't also be One best guitarist in popular music of all time: there are a handful equally at the top. More so, just because Monica introduced that double-handed fore-and-back-hand with power, doesn't mean it made her untouchable as they make it seem in this video. Its a very, very, very simple tactic: she was trained and coached to do so. There is nothing genius about it. They say heavy metal would not have come but for Black Sabbath, but they are wrong. It was coming no matter what. Other bands had already sampled the sound. It was bound to take root and grow. Its the same with athletes and all sports: things grow. Its not genius. Genius is something hardly anyone else can do, and we know many others are now doing it. An introduction is a basic idea and that is it. I love Monica, but its evident pop culture stupidity runs through most peoples' minds regardless of their profession and its evident here (Chris Clarey, an obvious prejudice man). Richard Evens, the same. Fact also is that many seem great but end up only being at the top a short time. But no one pays mind to them. Monicas time was up. Players, including Steffi, figured out her weakness. A huge weakness. It wasn't Hingis' nor Capriatis and sure as many foods are toxicated, not Steffis. But Monicas time was simply up. Its obvious she still had what it took after the stabbing, very obvious, but she was not meant to have risen much more. The stab on Monica was so minute its ridiculous thinking that was what made her physically less of a player after 1993. Completely absurd. The other players simply figured her out, her weakness (if I have to explain then her fans are surely closeted people). Steffi 6-4 in her favor, pre-1993, H2H. M J's father was murdered yet, he came back and led the Bulls to 3 more titles. Many, many other athletes have suffered more serious physical injuries and mental hardships than Seles, yet, they came back and regained their top-semi-top status. The announcer that said Seles was beating Steffi only shows how stupid professional people (he) can be. People are overall educated with pop culture (biases and prejudices) stupidity more and more, and real reason and intellect are frowned upon. Steffi showed she was the best, and she still is the GOAT. The Williams' are cheats, not technically, but virtually and reasonably. Their dad taught and instructed them to Scream and Howl when playing, ONLY TO ANNOY and FRUSTRATE their competition. It worked. Many say "well, Monica did, too"--NO: Monica obviously Grunted, sometimes loud, but they surely weren't screams. They also took PEDS/Roids and that is obvious.
Seles being ranked over Connolly, Lenglen, and Wills Moody is a joke. She is at best the 10th best women player of all time, not 7th. Maybe even 11th behind Venus.
Seles is nowhere near Serena, Graf, Navratilova, or Evert. Douglas is right that she should not have been ranked over Connolly, Lenglen, or Wills . Connolly especialy since Connolly is a what if case just like Seles but she was much more dominant aged 16-19 than Seles was, against tougher competition too. Seles faced only Graf and granny WAY past her prime Navratilova, and Graf was even in a slump most of that time. Connolly faced peak Hart, peak Bueno, prime Fry, Gibson, and Du Pont, a far deeper and stronger field.
@@rodelmanalo9063 Hart is 1 of only 8 women to complete the Career Grand Slam. Fry is another of 1 of only 8 women to complete the Career Grand Slam. Something the likes of Seles, Henin, Venus, Hingis, all failed to do. Brough is a 3 time Wimbledon and 6 time Slam champion. Du Pont is a 4 time U.S Open and 6 time Slam Champion. Both would have won ever more without World War 2 and if they played all 4 slams which players didnt do then.
If Sheffield wasn’t involve? How come she never comes in shows like these and say something nice about Monica? We all know she had something to do with this!! I want ask Martina, Mary Carrillo, an even sabatini! They know something…
I'm a big Serena William and Novak Djokovic fan, nevertheless, I think Monica Seles was even greater than Federer, Laver, or Margaret C, Graff or Serena. Why? Because in addition of living in a sexist society, she had to endure a personal attack, blocking her success. You have to be the greatest to be violently stopped, because they knew she was going to continue winning titles. Serena and Venus dealed with sexism and racism, that's why both are greater than Graff in my view, but not greater than Seles. Besides, Slams being a teenager? That's unbelievable!
I saw Seles was so amazing with her comeback within first five months. She won Canadian, finalist US Open 1995, won Sydney 1996 and Australian Open 1996. And She started lose her confident when she lost from Iva Majoli QF of Toray PAN Pasific. And after that we didn't see Seles again until she come back to circuit in FO and she lost again in 4th Round of French Open from Jana Novotna, Won in Eastbourne and Lost again in 2nd Round of Wimbledon by Katrina Studinakova. So actually what happen with her. Is there any problem beside got stabbed? Did she has problem with agency or sponsors?
It´s well known that her father and coach had health problems and she also had eating disorders. I think the stab as an excuse for her poor results is largely exagerated, she just couldn´t make the transition from teen to adult player and she had other problems too. It´s horrible what happened to her but it´s not an excuse, she could have comeback in weeks but she didn´t want to
Steffi said nothing? Neither did any other player, snail-for-brains. Steffi DID reach out but she wasn't allowed to connect with Seles, and neither were any other player. Seles fans are among the most senseless of all, if not the most.
@@markuse3472 Both Martina Navratilova and Sabatini were very sympathetic and supportive of Seles and they wanted Seles to come back so they supported for her to come back with the no.1 co-ranking which was robbed from her .....
im a huge seles fan, but even i have to admit that prior to her stabbing, she was NOT "beating steffi on a regular basis" as one of the interviewees claims... the HTH prior to the stabbing was 6-4 in favor of graf - there's no question seles was winning the bigger tournaments in 1991 and 1992, but it has little to do with beating graf regularly. graf's career indeed began a renaissance post-seles stabbing, but that's not graf's fault
In the big matches, Monica was beating her on a regular basis. 8 of their first 10 meetings were finals, which is rare that early on in a rivalry. They split those 8 meetings, though in the bigger GS finals, it was 3-1 to Monica.
wwecoowner Remember, Monica is 4 years younger than Steffi and Steffi beat Monica when she was still a child prodigy. Four years may not sound like a lot but when you are that young it is a huge difference. Monica was only going to get better and stronger...she was well on her way to being the greatest.
6-4, Steffi's favor: all titles are important. No one ever sees any player on the court, say, at the Japan Open, looking like they care less. It does Not happen.
Woah-woah woah! Jordan is my favorite basketball player (I like The Bulls), and for me he is the best player of all time, but as a competitor? Intellect disagrees. There just can't be ONE best competitor. There are many, many equally competitors at the top, not just one. In that, Seles can't also be, according to that guy, the best tennis competitor of all time. Its not possible. There can't also be One best guitarist in popular music of all time: there are a handful equally at the top. More so, just because Monica introduced that double-handed fore-and-back-hand with power, doesn't mean it made her untouchable as they make it seem in this video. Its a very, very, very simple tactic: she was trained and coached to do so. There is nothing genius about it. They say heavy metal would not have come but for Black Sabbath, but they are wrong. It was coming no matter what. Other bands had already sampled the sound. It was bound to take root and grow. Its the same with athletes and all sports: things grow. Its not genius. Genius is something hardly anyone else can do, and we know many others are now doing it. An introduction is a basic idea and that is it. I love Monica, but its evident pop culture stupidity runs through most peoples' minds regardless of their profession and its evident here (Chris Clarey, an obvious prejudice man). Richard Evens, the same. Fact also is that many seem great but end up only being at the top a short time. But no one pays mind to them. Monicas time was up. Players, including Steffi, figured out her weakness. A huge weakness. It wasn't Hingis' nor Capriatis and sure as many foods are toxicated, not Steffis. But Monicas time was simply up. Its obvious she still had what it took after the stabbing, very obvious, but she was not meant to have risen much more. The stab on Monica was so minute its ridiculous thinking that was what made her physically less of a player after 1993. Completely absurd. The other players simply figured her out, her weakness (if I have to explain then her fans are surely closeted people). Steffi 6-4 in her favor, pre-1993, H2H. M J's father was murdered yet, he came back and led the Bulls to 3 more titles. Many, many other athletes have suffered more serious physical injuries and mental hardships than Seles, yet, they came back and regained their top-semi-top status. The announcer that said Seles was beating Steffi only shows how stupid professional people (he) can be. People are overall educated with pop culture (biases and prejudices) stupidity more and more, and real reason and intellect are frowned upon. Steffi showed she was the best, and she still is the GOAT. The Williams' are cheats, not technically, but virtually and reasonably. Their dad taught and instructed them to Scream and Howl when playing, ONLY TO ANNOY and FRUSTRATE their competition. It worked. Many say "well, Monica did, too"--NO: Monica obviously Grunted, sometimes loud, but they surely weren't screams. They also took PEDS/Roids and that is obvious.
1. Serena 2.Steffi 3. Martina 4. Monica 5. Chris This is my opinion, I know that many people say Seles would have won so much more than steffi, but nobody thinks of other things, The father of Steffi had to go in jail so she had a very hard time to go trough and she lost most of her matches against other players than Monica so I think that steffi would have beaten Seles
Not only that, there are lots of factors to consider to make a reasonable analysis instead of being biased towards Seles in saying she would have won so much more without the stab. Why nobody says that the stab healed in weeks? or that Seles had other family and eating problems? or that no player can sustain so many time at the top and her slump would have come regardless? Monica was great, but just not great enough and the stab is not valid as an excuse
Wow, an echo chamber of Graf superfans .... even if we do not talk about the stabbing benefitting Graf by x number of slams, MARTINA NAVRATILOVA had so many all time records that Graf cannot match that its ridiculous to put her below Graf. Navra's 6-straight slams (most in history), 167 singles titles (60 more than Graf), longest winning streak in tennis history, highest winning percentage ever in a year, the only player ever who lost only once after playing more than 80s matches in a year (she's the closest anyone has ever come to zero loss after playing more than 80 matches in a year), won many of her singles slams while winning the doubles events too, had to do everything while dealing with another 18-slam GOAT Evert. Graf basically only have 1 thing better than Navra, her 22 singles slams, even this is due to her enjoying free slams after Seles got stabbed. So, let me ask you all here, how can Graf be greater than Navra when Navra has so many records that Graf couldn't break even when those records were right in front of her as a target ?
I love Monica and I think she played amazing at her peak, but boy, to say that the stab changed the course of women´s tennis, that made Graf return to the top and that she would have won tons of slams without it is being far too exagerated and too biased, it sounds nice and obsequious to Monica but it´s far from being a reasonable analysis. Sure, Seles was at the peak when she was stabbed but "what if" the aggressor just saved Monica from a natural slump from which she would not come back anyway? after all, the injury healed in a couple of weeks and Monica by herself decided not to come back for years. The tour was not Monica alone, Steffi was working very hard to get back to the top and it´s not like Steffi could not beat Monica or Monica was easily beating Graf, she needed to play 100% and more to do that. Besides, no player has so many consecutive years at the top, not Steffi, not Serena, not Nadal or Djokovic. Monica´s slump was a question of months if not weeks, and she also had her personal problems, it´s not guaranteed she would have continued dominating as she did. Who would have said in early 1999 that Hingis would never win another slam? or that Venus in 2002 would only win 3 more and her sister would be the one with much more slams? or that Henin would retire in early 2008 at her age and at the top? Again, I love Monica and the attack to her was horrendous and should never happen again, but it doesn´t change the fact that she could have come back soon and she didn´t and that she had other familiar and eating problems too and could never win as much as she did in her teen years.
@@WhiteWolfBitcoin There are hundreds of things that any human being "never expects" to happen and has to overcome without being "RAMBO", it´s absurd to compare that superficial wound with the injuries an army sargeant has to be trained for. I take that the circumstances of that injury were unique, yet as I said it was healed in a few weeks. The attack was terrible but Seles showed she was not mentally strong enough and as you said, mentality is 90% of the game so.. with or without the stab, Seles was mentally weak and I highly doubt she would have won much more than what she did had the stab never happened
@@WhiteWolfBitcoin Maybe she was traumatized after the stab, who wouldn´t be? but to say that was the only reason she dropped the sport in which she was so successful for so much time and she was traumatized for life, I just don´t buy it.
Pre-stabbing, 3 of Graf's wins was during Seles's first year on tour as a skinny tiny 15 yo little girl.... how is it fair to count those ? Also, its incredibly biased to say Seles will slump anyway even without stabbing .... but fact is she was on the brink of reaching physical peak in 1-6 years time. Thats a long stretch of time for her to improve her footworks, power and game. Seles had the work ethic and focus on the same level as Graf, why would she not be able to maintain that focus to improve in every aspect of her game ???
@@88feji It´s simple, because she didn´t. For me there´s no question that Graf benefitted directly from Monica´s stab, the question is if Seles had continued playing without any attack, would have she remained injuury free?, how would have an injury affected her? would becoming adult have affected her psyche? would have she kept her weight considering her eating disorders? would her family problems have affected her too? Would Graf have benefitted equally from other Monica´s problems and taken any opportunity to leave Monica behind even without any stab?. Too many what ifs.
I think that Steffi Graf is the best female tennis player of all time. Monica was amazing and winning regularly but her game was very one dimensional. Eventually Steffi who is a better athlete and player would have figured out a way to beat her. I never liked Monica Seles, but what happened to her was tragic for the game. I think she should have been ranked higher than 19 for sure.
Please Steffi had Monica stabbed and still has been passed in slams by Serena even with that. Serena is hands down the best ever, with nobody coming close. Without the stabbing both Graf and Seles would probably only have about 16 slams each, not 20+ for Seles as nutty Seles fans delude themseves, nor Graf still having 20+ as retarded Graf fans delude themselves.
Woah-woah woah! Jordan is my favorite basketball player (I like The Bulls), and for me he is the best player of all time, but as a competitor? Intellect disagrees. There just can't be ONE best competitor. There are many, many equally competitors at the top, not just one. In that, Seles can't also be, according to that guy, the best tennis competitor of all time. Its not possible. There can't also be One best guitarist in popular music of all time: there are a handful equally at the top. More so, just because Monica introduced that double-handed fore-and-back-hand with power, doesn't mean it made her untouchable as they make it seem in this video. Its a very, very, very simple tactic: she was trained and coached to do so. There is nothing genius about it. They say heavy metal would not have come but for Black Sabbath, but they are wrong. It was coming no matter what. Other bands had already sampled the sound. It was bound to take root and grow. Its the same with athletes and all sports: things grow. Its not genius. Genius is something hardly anyone else can do, and we know many others are now doing it. An introduction is a basic idea and that is it. I love Monica, but its evident pop culture stupidity runs through most peoples' minds regardless of their profession and its evident here (Chris Clarey, an obvious prejudice man). Richard Evens, the same. Fact also is that many seem great but end up only being at the top a short time. But no one pays mind to them. Monicas time was up. Players, including Steffi, figured out her weakness. A huge weakness. It wasn't Hingis' nor Capriatis and sure as many foods are toxicated, not Steffis. But Monicas time was simply up. Its obvious she still had what it took after the stabbing, very obvious, but she was not meant to have risen much more. The stab on Monica was so minute its ridiculous thinking that was what made her physically less of a player after 1993. Completely absurd. The other players simply figured her out, her weakness (if I have to explain then her fans are surely closeted people). Steffi 6-4 in her favor, pre-1993, H2H. M J's father was murdered yet, he came back and led the Bulls to 3 more titles. Many, many other athletes have suffered more serious physical injuries and mental hardships than Seles, yet, they came back and regained their top-semi-top status. The announcer that said Seles was beating Steffi only shows how stupid professional people (he) can be. People are overall educated with pop culture (biases and prejudices) stupidity more and more, and real reason and intellect are frowned upon. Steffi showed she was the best, and she still is the GOAT. The Williams' are cheats, not technically, but virtually and reasonably. Their dad taught and instructed them to Scream and Howl when playing, ONLY TO ANNOY and FRUSTRATE their competition. It worked. Many say "well, Monica did, too"--NO: Monica obviously Grunted, sometimes loud, but they surely weren't screams. They also took PEDS/Roids and that is obvious.
Why didn't Steffi figure out her game at the Australian Open in 1993? Sure enough that was enough time to figure out Seles' game. Yet that match ended with Monica slamming Steffi's weak 2nd serve for a winner lol.
Not just at the AO in 1993 but before, too. I am giving you more space to work with. I am not in this as a Steffi or any one else's fan, I am here, as I am in everything I do and think, to display reason and intellect, since its obvious you people don't invest in such matters but instead in pop culture (prejudice, biases, bigotry). I do research. I study these matters of athletes. You people don't or else wisdom would show in your comments. Taking a look at all sports, all athletes, all circumstances and dynamics, its easy to see and know many times time must pass by for some to really grasp what they can change, for others its faster to see and work on their game and expose another's weakness. Its life. Its fact. Its science. Your short statements displays lack of intellect, much like a hateful spoiled person yelling at others since they (you) can't talk in peace and reason. "lol"? Really? In a court room, you would be kicked-out on your ass for using such feeble terms in an area where logic and intellect top everything else. As for you "Steffis weak second serve..." Well, I agree, it was weak, and I agree because we have evidence. But, Steffi holds a 6-4 overall winning record over Monica, whom I love (unlike you prejudiced idiots who can't tolerate others selectively). Science, evidence, obviously shows Monica was not meant to have lasted at the top/near top for too long. This is reasonable because we see many other players who last for 1, 4, 10, whatever years at the top but are brought to an end in whatever amount of time (as I just mentioned). Seles was figured out and for me its that obvious.
@@markuse3472 My comment wasn't directed to you but to the OP. I didn't read your rant, you need to learn to edit your thoughts and be more concise. I'm laughing at you out loud by the way.
Selestials who make up 0.001% of the human population, but the craziest 0.001% by far, call her the best ever. The rest of the world and real experts call her the 19th best player ever, sounds more about right.
Woah-woah woah! Jordan is my favorite basketball player (I like The Bulls), and for me he is the best player of all time, but as a competitor? Intellect disagrees. There just can't be ONE best competitor. There are many, many equally competitors at the top, not just one. In that, Seles can't also be, according to that guy, the best tennis competitor of all time. Its not possible. There can't also be One best guitarist in popular music of all time: there are a handful equally at the top. More so, just because Monica introduced that double-handed fore-and-back-hand with power, doesn't mean it made her untouchable as they make it seem in this video. Its a very, very, very simple tactic: she was trained and coached to do so. There is nothing genius about it. They say heavy metal would not have come but for Black Sabbath, but they are wrong. It was coming no matter what. Other bands had already sampled the sound. It was bound to take root and grow. Its the same with athletes and all sports: things grow. Its not genius. Genius is something hardly anyone else can do, and we know many others are now doing it. An introduction is a basic idea and that is it. I love Monica, but its evident pop culture stupidity runs through most peoples' minds regardless of their profession and its evident here (Chris Clarey, an obvious prejudice man). Richard Evens, the same. Fact also is that many seem great but end up only being at the top a short time. But no one pays mind to them. Monicas time was up. Players, including Steffi, figured out her weakness. A huge weakness. It wasn't Hingis' nor Capriatis and sure as many foods are toxicated, not Steffis. But Monicas time was simply up. Its obvious she still had what it took after the stabbing, very obvious, but she was not meant to have risen much more. The stab on Monica was so minute its ridiculous thinking that was what made her physically less of a player after 1993. Completely absurd. The other players simply figured her out, her weakness (if I have to explain then her fans are surely closeted people). Steffi 6-4 in her favor, pre-1993, H2H. M J's father was murdered yet, he came back and led the Bulls to 3 more titles. Many, many other athletes have suffered more serious physical injuries and mental hardships than Seles, yet, they came back and regained their top-semi-top status. The announcer that said Seles was beating Steffi only shows how stupid professional people (he) can be. People are overall educated with pop culture (biases and prejudices) stupidity more and more, and real reason and intellect are frowned upon. Steffi showed she was the best, and she still is the GOAT. The Williams' are cheats, not technically, but virtually and reasonably. Their dad taught and instructed them to Scream and Howl when playing, ONLY TO ANNOY and FRUSTRATE their competition. It worked. Many say "well, Monica did, too"--NO: Monica obviously Grunted, sometimes loud, but they surely weren't screams. They also took PEDS/Roids and that is obvious.
Is and always will be my favorite player of all time.
If you take Seles and Sampras(in their prime) and drop them into any era of tennis, they would both dominate. That is a fact. Most major titles doesn’t make anyone GOAT.
The transition between the eras Navratilova/Evert & Graf/Seles, left the best stage in the history of women's tennis. What a players!, how much competitive intensity!
She would've been the greatest female tennis player with more than 9 slams titles if she wasn't stabbed. The history was contorted.
Serena has won 23 slams. Seles would never have won that many and probably at best 1 Wimbledon even without the stabbing. Since Serena is the GOAT (not Graf) no she would not have ever been the GOAT.
Nobody had won as many slams as Seles did as a teenager. She wasn't even at her peak yet and not even 20 years old when the stabbing happened. And if her career hadn't been interrupted by the stabbing, she wins more than one Wimbledon. If Conchita Martinez could win Wimbledon, and Arantxa Sanchez Vicario could push Steffi on grass, Monica definitely would have been able to win there.
Douglas Varley pretty ignorant comment; this girl was stabbed when she was still a teenager. For all we know she could have exceeded 30 GSs and been the clear GOAT
Yes it is possible Seles could have won 30 slams and it is also possible purple pigs will start flying in the sky tommorow. Neither is remotedly likely however.
Connolly won more slams than Seles did as a teenager and was more dominant, so your first comment is wrong. Seles lost her only Wimbledon final (at her peak) 6-2, 6-1, only once made it past the quarters of Wimbledon, and had numerous early losses to no names throughout her career. She would be lucky to win just 1 Wimbledon, never mind winning more. Your Martinez example means nothing, as by that logic if Bartoli wins Wimbledon of course Henin would have. Ooops.
I watched only two players by my heart and with passion.. 1st Sachin Tendulkar.. great Indian batsman and second charming Monica seles.. both are awesome..
Then your mind is very short and narrow visioned.
@@markuse3472 Here again? What the hell you want in all Seles videos? What the hell you want?
bear it’s the same guy Ilya/Marcus etc. just ignore lol 😂
Monica the best female player ever
Which is why Tennis Channel ranks her as the #8 female player of all time.
I'm a big Serena William and Novak Djokovic fan, nevertheless, I think Monica Seles was even greater than Federer, Laver, or Margaret C, Graff or Serena. Why? Because in addition of living in a sexist society, she had to endure a personal attack, blocking her success.
You have to be the greatest to be violently stopped, because they knew she was going to continue winning titles. Serena and Venus dealed with sexism and racism, that's why both are greater than Graff in my view, but not greater than Seles.
Besides, Slams being a teenager? That's unbelievable!
#TeamMonicaSeles
@@grantdesjardins764 because they hate serbians
Monica definitely would have changed the record books if the attack never happened. No offense to Steffi. Chris Evert is one of my all time favorites.
Not really, that´s just pure speculations
@@WhiteWolfBitcoin I think that playing the victim for that attack didn´t help Seles and will not help your argument either. Seles wasn´t strong enough to make the transition from teen wonder to mature consistent player and she had other problems too, so the stab was not everything in Seles life and much less in women´s tennis.
@@WhiteWolfBitcoin Your arguments are not based on serious stats but only on fallacies. Would you think that that the 365 days of the year the temperatures will remain boiling hot just because you´re in the middle of July and you experienced it the last weeks? would you say all cats in the world are black just because you saw a couple of black cats? You´re just focusing on the best facts about Seles in a short period, which are indeed remarkable but doesn´t say anything about Sele´s whole career and much less about the rest of the tour´s players
@@WhiteWolfBitcoin Again, just fallacies, I could also say at the end of 88 that Graf would have won 3 golden slams more, or at the end of 1997 that Hingis would end up with 15 slams, or in 2002 that Serena would win all RG, Wimbledon and USO the next 10 years but you can´t make a serious prediction being biased towards a single player´s achievements in a certain period of time, that´s just a fallacy
@@franstar1730
You assume the worst of Seles because you're unfair as a Graf fans and Seles hater ..
At the time of stabbing,
- Seles had just won a convincing victory over Graf at the AO where the final set was a 6-2 drubbing of Graf.
- She was on a roll winning 7 out of 8 slams she entered ...
- She had not even reached her physical crescendo as all these occurred before her 20th birthday. Obviously she will only get stronger and more powerful ...
- Seles had the same focus and determination as Graf, thats why she was able to beat Graf in 3 slam finals within 2.5 years ...... why would you assume she will never be able to improve on all aspects of her game including her footwork if without stabbing ?
- Even after the stabbing .... when Seles came back to tennis, although she had weight issues from PTSD eating disorder due to the trauma of the stabbing and her dad's cancer, although she went 1-4 against Graf, if we look at the matches in terms of who won more games within a match, she still lead Graf by 3-2 (in 2 of Graf's wins, Seles actually won more games than Graf) .....
What does that tell us ... ask yourself what Seles could have done to Graf if she did not have to deal with the PTSD eating disorder due to the stabbing....
Monica was better player then Steffi Graph but the unfortunate stabbing changed the record books.
We love you Monica, from india.
Monica, simply the best ever
Monica Seles the best playes!!!♡
I love Steffi and Martina Navratilova. But Seles gives me goosebumps. She caused me to stay put in front of TV. Her intensity to finish off a match is second to none.
Not even the Big 3 had Monica’s combination of mental toughness, accuracy, power, and angles. She never threw her racquet, threw a tantrum, or constantly looked up at her box even when she was 15. The best ever! The true GOAT!
In my books she is simple the best player all time.
seles best ever female tennis player
The GOAT!!
Awesome player.. love from core of heart..
it would be like if someone stabbed Nadal or Djokovic or Federer today....we will never know how many more grand slams they would have won.
Monica has the undisputed best player in the world. and she was stabbed at her peak.
@Illya Kuryakin Not necessarily. And keep in mind, Seles was 19 years old, and she, like everyone else, thought a tennis court would be a safe space. It wasn't just the stabbing injury, which was just a flesh wound, but it was the fear that the tennis court was no longer safe. That took longer to get over. And when she came back, you could tell she was different. She was more serious and not as care-free.
@Illya Kuryakin Because a tennis court is the last place you expect to be attacked. It's a place where you're doing what you love to do, and then the sacred place is violated. This wasn't a back alley mugging or a robbery at a liquor store.
@Illya Kuryakin Not all, but some. Trauma effects people differently. Some people, after a violent crime, are afraid to leave their homes. Some people who are attacked on a subway, will never ride the subway again, and choose to ride cabs instead. Some people want to avoid hospitals at all costs if they saw a loved one go into a hospital and then die. People who survived a fire or sinking on a ship or oil platform choose to never go out to sea again. Trauma affects everybody differently. And Monica being off tour for two years because of the attack is not abnormal.
@Illya Kuryakin Nobody is saying that it is Steffi's fault. But the fact of the matter is that she did benefit from Monica's stabbing, as nobody else on tour was pushing Steffi, consistently.
@Illya Kuryakin Her binge eating was AFTER the stabbing. Not before. And name another all-time great player that benefited from their main rival being attacked? Never happened with Martina and Chrissie. Never happened with Pete and Andre. Never happened with Roger and Rafa or Novak.
Steffi is the only one mentioned because this is the only time something like this has happened. And any tennis player or tennis expert from any country can see that Monica was the only player that was an equal to Steffi, and had the stabbing not happened, Steffi and Monica's slam counts are much different. Probably even with Monica having more than 9 and Steffi having less than 22. They would have been trading GS much like Chrissie and Martina did, and the Big Three are currently doing now.
The greatest player I ever saw play. Nobody played like her and nobody ever will.
@@14u2ponder You actually saw her play? I wasn't lucky enough to see her play in person. How hard was she hitting the ball?
@@adar601278 Her ground strokes were so punishing and they just kept coming. She was a backboard. She wasn’t trying to hit a lot of winners. She was more just pounding your weak spots.
Tennis got screwed when this bastard stabbed her. Unforgivable.
Unfortunately, we never even got to see a peak Seles at just age 19 when she was stabbed. She would have won many, many more Grand Slams. She was only getting fitter, stronger, faster, and adding more to her game when she was stabbed. She looked better every time I saw her play, so there is no reason to think she would have all of a sudden suffered a career threatening injury right before the French Open, or burnt out, as all Graf fans keep saying, especially at just 19 when she had won 7 of the last 8 Grand Slams she competed in. Why would she just suddenly lose total interest when she was racking up those types of records at just age 19 like all Graf fans believe? Most of which are probably from Germany where they all idolize Hitler, Satin, and the man who stabbed Seles. Yes, they believe they come from a country with a really glorious past. They are walking shit people, and who even gives an f about the crazy things they say?
I read in the paper, back then, that the German people were all cheering when one of their own stabbed Seles. And of course, they ruled against Monica Seles in their court system. I'm from the US and I hear the Germans are always calling Americans "Those dirty Americans." Obviously, they are too dumb to know about their own past, or are just Hitler worshippers.
It's not Steffi Graf fans, but logic ans reason, intellect, that says it's possible. If you don't have a window into Seles's brain then you can never know what was happening in her mind. What we DO know is this. She is human not a god and therefore CAN succumb to mental breakdown. What: do you know why many teens commit suicide, are addicted to smoking, alcohol, sex, social media, hate, bigotry, racism, violence and more? But for you, it's impossible because evidence, science, is like hearsay and rumors. Secondly, it DOES happen to many athletes from all sports that they are Good for a few years but then they are not as good anymore, although effective, and Seles appears to have been one of those. As I've said, it happens to many athletes and Seles is not different. Thirdly, I love how feeble Seles fans exaggerate with "total interest" and such terms, because I don't think I've ever read that from any other tennis players' comments. Fourthly, Seles STILL had what she did before that paper cut (yes I exaggerate but it is relative) because she won one more slam and various other titles. She just wasn't as good anymore JUST LIKE OTHER ATHLETES from other sports come to some sort of curve on the road. Lastly, her competition figured her out, her weakness: her always double-handing everything, and they went for it. It's no bodies fault because this is a sport, a competitive sport. But you wont see to this because the truth, reason, are not your strengths.
@Illya Kuryakin lol
@@markuse3472 Here again? What the hell you want in all Seles videos? What the hell you want?
@reparata11 after reading your comment I don't think I've ever seen a more disrespectful and offensive comment towards Germany and the German people. You mentioned Hitler in your comment I noticed. There's 2 accounts of what happened during World War 2 - the official history and the secret history. I suggest you look much deeper into the forces that were behind starting WW2. But do not condemn the most civilized and benevolent country in Europe. Do not condemn her people. Unless you know something the rest of us don't know?
THE BEST EVER. Love you Monica.
I love you monica
monica.👩. miss you.
DESTINED TO BE IN TOP 2-3 ... NOT 19... HAD NOT THAT GERMAN PSYCHOPATH..
Who faced no punishment and wound up getting exactly what he wanted. One of the worse crimes in sports history.
That no one will ever know. Many, many athletes from all other sports do Great for a few years, then they drop some, and this happened to Seles: she is as human as any one of them. It was simply Seles's time to stop being good, and again, the same has happened to many other athletes.
@@markuse3472 Here again? WHAT THE HELL YOU WANT IN MONICAS VIDEOS? WHAT THE HELL YOU WANT? Please, take your noisy burps and stinky farts out of there, do you understand? DO YOU UNDERSTAND, TROLL? 💩🦨🤮
Monica seles is the greatest ever
Monica u were the reason to watch tennis 🎾, also ur retirement from game was the reason for me to quit from watching tennis 🎾.
FUCK no.19 !,, she is one of the greatest!!! PERIOD!!
la migliore ..
Mi jugadora favorita .. desde ella empezó el juego femenino a ser más atractivo
Anyone know what match is being played at 1:52??
It was a match in Los Angeles 1992.
Thanks Mate, I will have to see if I can get a copy of it somewhere :)
Exactly and then there's the people that like to pretend Monica was always going to start losing. ! I think the knife on the tennis court should be as prestigious as 10 wimbledons . I mean you have to be unbeatable to earn the knife award
@@WhiteWolfBitcoin Monica lost her father and I think he was very important to keeping her game together and I think the loss of him the knife was just enought to dent her enough for someone always to be in the way . But she would of won ten or more she was less aggressive after the stabbing still good but a bit more bearable I'd say her father could of helped her I'd say the knife affected him so much he got cancer I don't know that but maybe it did who knows
Of course Seles haters and Graf fans would assume the worst of Seles .... who are you people trying to fool ?
Monica Seles beaten Steffi Graf on a regular basis... some old guy (richard evens) says in this docu.
1 1989 French Open Clay SF Graf 6-3, 3-6, 6-3
2 1989 Wimbledon Grass 4RD Graf 6-0, 6-1
3 1989 Brighton Indoors F Graf 7-5, 6-4
4 1990 Berlin Clay F Seles 6-4, 6-3
5 1990 French Open Clay F Seles 7-6, 6-4
6 1991 San Antonio Hard F Graf 6-4, 6-3
7 1991 Hamburg Clay F Graf 7-5, 6-7, 6-3
8 1992 French Open Clay F Seles 6-2, 3-6, 10-8
9 1992 Wimbledon Grass F Graf 6-2, 6-1
10 1993 Australian Open Hard F Seles 4-6, 6-3, 6-2
11 1995 US Open Hard F Graf 7-6, 0-6, 6-3
12 1996 US Open Hard F Graf 7-5, 6-4
13 1998 New York City Indoors QF Graf 1-6, 6-4, 6-4
14 1999 Australian Open Hard QF Seles 7-5, 6-1
15 1999 French Open Clay SF Graf 6-7, 6-3, 6-4
Not true.
Only once she won two times in a row. Once.
I have no problem with people saying that Monica would have won so much more and Steffi might not have.. that is an opinion. But stick to the facts in a docu...
no one is saying that graf would have not won anymore but obviously she would have not won 22 slams with monica round
it is just mathematic
but both remains great champions and in sport "what if" does not exist:)
You're including matches after the stabbing. Before the stabbing, they had played just 10 times, with 8 of those being in finals, which is rare. And the first 3 wins came against a young, inexperienced 15-year-old Monica. And in the 8 finals, they split the meetings, but Monica did win the bigger finals. She was 3-1 in their GS finals.
Woah-woah woah! Jordan is my favorite basketball player (I like The Bulls), and for me he is the best player of all time, but as a competitor? Intellect disagrees. There just can't be ONE best competitor. There are many, many equally competitors at the top, not just one. In that, Seles can't also be, according to that guy, the best tennis competitor of all time. Its not possible. There can't also be One best guitarist in popular music of all time: there are a handful equally at the top. More so, just because Monica introduced that
double-handed fore-and-back-hand with power, doesn't mean it made her untouchable as they make it seem in this video. Its a very, very, very simple tactic: she was trained and coached to do so. There is nothing
genius about it. They say heavy metal would not have come but for Black Sabbath, but they are wrong. It was coming no matter what. Other bands had already sampled the sound. It was bound to take root and grow. Its the same with athletes and all sports: things grow. Its not genius. Genius is something hardly anyone else can do, and we know many others are now doing it. An introduction is a basic idea and that is it. I love Monica, but its evident pop culture stupidity runs through most peoples' minds regardless of their profession and its evident here (Chris Clarey, an obvious prejudice man). Richard Evens, the same. Fact
also is that many seem great but end up only being at the top a short time. But no one pays mind to them. Monicas time was up. Players, including Steffi, figured out her weakness. A huge weakness. It wasn't
Hingis' nor Capriatis and sure as many foods are toxicated, not Steffis. But Monicas time was simply up. Its obvious she still had what it took after the stabbing, very obvious, but she was not meant to have risen
much more. The stab on Monica was so minute its ridiculous thinking that was what made her physically less of a player after 1993. Completely absurd. The other players simply figured her out, her weakness (if I
have to explain then her fans are surely closeted people). Steffi 6-4 in her favor, pre-1993, H2H. M J's father was murdered yet, he came back and led the Bulls to 3 more titles. Many, many other athletes have
suffered more serious physical injuries and mental hardships than Seles, yet, they came back and regained their top-semi-top status. The announcer that said Seles was beating Steffi only shows how stupid
professional people (he) can be. People are overall educated with pop culture (biases and prejudices) stupidity more and more, and real reason and intellect are frowned upon. Steffi showed she was the best, and she still is the GOAT. The Williams' are cheats, not technically, but virtually and reasonably. Their dad taught and instructed them to Scream and Howl when playing, ONLY TO ANNOY and FRUSTRATE their competition. It worked. Many say "well, Monica did, too"--NO: Monica obviously Grunted, sometimes loud, but they surely weren't screams. They also took PEDS/Roids and that is obvious.
Woah-woah woah! Jordan is my favorite basketball player (I like The Bulls), and for me he is the best player of all time, but as a competitor? Intellect disagrees. There just can't be ONE best competitor. There are many, many equally competitors at the top, not just one. In that, Seles can't also be, according to that guy, the best tennis competitor of all time. Its not possible. There can't also be One best guitarist in popular music of all time: there are a handful equally at the top. More so, just because Monica introduced that double-handed fore-and-back-hand with power, doesn't mean it made her untouchable as they make it seem in this video. Its a very, very, very simple tactic: she was trained and coached to do so. There is nothing genius about it. They say heavy metal would not have come but for Black Sabbath, but they are wrong. It was coming no matter what. Other bands had already sampled the sound. It was bound to take root and grow. Its the same with athletes and all sports: things grow. Its not genius. Genius is something hardly anyone else can do, and we know many others are now doing it. An introduction is a basic idea and that is it. I love Monica, but its evident pop culture stupidity runs through most peoples' minds regardless of their profession and its evident here (Chris Clarey, an obvious prejudice man). Richard Evens, the same. Fact also is that many seem great but end up only being at the top a short time. But no one pays mind to them. Monicas time was up. Players, including Steffi, figured out her weakness. A huge weakness. It wasn't Hingis' nor Capriatis and sure as many foods are toxicated, not Steffis. But Monicas time was simply up. Its obvious she still had what it took after the stabbing, very obvious, but she was not meant to have risen much more. The stab on Monica was so minute its ridiculous thinking that was what made her physically less of a player after 1993. Completely absurd. The other players simply figured her out, her weakness (if I have to explain then her fans are surely closeted people). Steffi 6-4 in her favor, pre-1993, H2H. M J's father was murdered yet, he came back and led the Bulls to 3 more titles. Many, many other athletes have suffered more serious physical injuries and mental hardships than Seles, yet, they came back and regained their top-semi-top status. The announcer that said Seles was beating Steffi only shows how stupid professional people (he) can be. People are overall educated with pop culture (biases and prejudices) stupidity more and more, and real reason and intellect are frowned upon. Steffi showed she was the best, and she still is the GOAT. The Williams' are cheats, not technically, but virtually and reasonably. Their dad taught and instructed them to Scream and Howl when playing, ONLY TO ANNOY and FRUSTRATE their competition. It worked. Many say "well, Monica did, too"--NO: Monica obviously Grunted, sometimes loud, but they surely weren't screams. They also took PEDS/Roids and that is obvious.
@@markuse3472 get a life man
was steffi ever questioned about her potential involvement in the stabbing?
Woah-woah woah! Jordan is my favorite basketball player (I like The
Bulls), and for me he is the best player of all time, but as a
competitor? Intellect disagrees. There just can't be ONE best
competitor. There are many, many equally competitors at the top, not
just one. In that, Seles can't also be, according to that guy, the best
tennis competitor of all time. Its not possible. There can't also be One
best guitarist in popular music of all time: there are a handful
equally at the top. More so, just because Monica introduced that
double-handed fore-and-back-hand with power, doesn't mean it made her
untouchable as they make it seem in this video. Its a very, very, very
simple tactic: she was trained and coached to do so. There is nothing
genius about it. They say heavy metal would not have come but for Black
Sabbath, but they are wrong. It was coming no matter what. Other bands
had already sampled the sound. It was bound to take root and grow. Its
the same with athletes and all sports: things grow. Its not genius.
Genius is something hardly anyone else can do, and we know many others
are now doing it. An introduction is a basic idea and that is it. I love
Monica, but its evident pop culture stupidity runs through most
peoples' minds regardless of their profession and its evident here
(Chris Clarey, an obvious prejudice man). Richard Evens, the same. Fact
also is that many seem great but end up only being at the top a short
time. But no one pays mind to them. Monicas time was up. Players,
including Steffi, figured out her weakness. A huge weakness. It wasn't
Hingis' nor Capriatis and sure as many foods are toxicated, not Steffis.
But Monicas time was simply up. Its obvious she still had what it took
after the stabbing, very obvious, but she was not meant to have risen
much more. The stab on Monica was so minute its ridiculous thinking that
was what made her physically less of a player after 1993. Completely
absurd. The other players simply figured her out, her weakness (if I
have to explain then her fans are surely closeted people). Steffi 6-4 in
her favor, pre-1993, H2H. M J's father was murdered yet, he came back
and led the Bulls to 3 more titles. Many, many other athletes have
suffered more serious physical injuries and mental hardships than Seles,
yet, they came back and regained their top-semi-top status. The
announcer that said Seles was beating Steffi only shows how stupid
professional people (he) can be. People are overall educated with pop
culture (biases and prejudices) stupidity more and more, and real reason
and intellect are frowned upon. Steffi showed she was the best, and she
still is the GOAT. The Williams' are cheats, not technically, but
virtually and reasonably. Their dad taught and instructed them to Scream
and Howl when playing, ONLY TO ANNOY and FRUSTRATE their competition.
It worked. Many say "well, Monica did, too"--NO: Monica obviously
Grunted, sometimes loud, but they surely weren't screams. They also took
PEDS/Roids and that is obvious.
I've always thought Peter may have had something to do with it.
Seles being ranked over Connolly, Lenglen, and Wills Moody is a joke. She is at best the 10th best women player of all time, not 7th. Maybe even 11th behind Venus.
Douglas Varley are you fucking serious?? Venus better than Seles?? Hahaha
Seles is on the league top ( Serena, Graf, Navratilova, Evert)
Seles is nowhere near Serena, Graf, Navratilova, or Evert. Douglas is right that she should not have been ranked over Connolly, Lenglen, or Wills . Connolly especialy since Connolly is a what if case just like Seles but she was much more dominant aged 16-19 than Seles was, against tougher competition too. Seles faced only Graf and granny WAY past her prime Navratilova, and Graf was even in a slump most of that time. Connolly faced peak Hart, peak Bueno, prime Fry, Gibson, and Du Pont, a far deeper and stronger field.
Seles would have smoked all of them, that's why.
@@ralphbourgeois5875 who is hart, bueno, fry, gibson and du pont, enlighten us AF
@@rodelmanalo9063 Hart is 1 of only 8 women to complete the Career Grand Slam. Fry is another of 1 of only 8 women to complete the Career Grand Slam. Something the likes of Seles, Henin, Venus, Hingis, all failed to do. Brough is a 3 time Wimbledon and 6 time Slam champion. Du Pont is a 4 time U.S Open and 6 time Slam Champion. Both would have won ever more without World War 2 and if they played all 4 slams which players didnt do then.
Please, help! What's the name of the music in the beginning at 00:10?
If Sheffield wasn’t involve? How come she never comes in shows like these and say something nice about Monica? We all know she had something to do with this!! I want ask Martina, Mary Carrillo, an even sabatini! They know something…
Szeles Mónika Hungarian 🇭🇺
I'm a big Serena William and Novak Djokovic fan, nevertheless, I think Monica Seles was even greater than Federer, Laver, or Margaret C, Graff or Serena. Why? Because in addition of living in a sexist society, she had to endure a personal attack, blocking her success.
You have to be the greatest to be violently stopped, because they knew she was going to continue winning titles. Serena and Venus dealed with sexism and racism, that's why both are greater than Graff in my view, but not greater than Seles.
Besides, Slams being a teenager? That's unbelievable!
19? They lost their damn minds SMH
這也是我為何更敬畏小威的23座大滿貫冠軍，葛女士某種程度是得利於對手的缺席才得以繼續稱霸網壇的!!
并非如此，Seles会在没有刺伤的情况下暴跌。 格拉夫完全应得她的所有大满贯，塞雷娜必须演奏更长的时间才能获得她的记录
If she wouldn t have been stabbed she would have been the GOAT and all of you know that but you re too frustrated because you re not her fans😘
I saw Seles was so amazing with her comeback within first five months. She won Canadian, finalist US Open 1995, won Sydney 1996 and Australian Open 1996. And She started lose her confident when she lost from Iva Majoli QF of Toray PAN Pasific. And after that we didn't see Seles again until she come back to circuit in FO and she lost again in 4th Round of French Open from Jana Novotna, Won in Eastbourne and Lost again in 2nd Round of Wimbledon by Katrina Studinakova. So actually what happen with her. Is there any problem beside got stabbed? Did she has problem with agency or sponsors?
It´s well known that her father and coach had health problems and she also had eating disorders. I think the stab as an excuse for her poor results is largely exagerated, she just couldn´t make the transition from teen to adult player and she had other problems too. It´s horrible what happened to her but it´s not an excuse, she could have comeback in weeks but she didn´t want to
@@franstar1730 yes... I think Seles had other problem not only stabbing.
@@enjangyusuf2ndchannel468
Her binge eating disorder was due to the PTSD trauma of the stabbing and also her dad's failing health ....
@@88feji oic. Thanks for the info
Steffi's mother was behind the. Stabbing
nº one is Monica Seles...women tennis is poor quality today
An Graf says nothing! I believe her dad had something to do with the whole stabbing issue
I hope not...but you may be right.
It's very disturbing if it's true.
Steffi said nothing? Neither did any other player, snail-for-brains. Steffi DID reach out but she wasn't allowed to connect with Seles, and neither were any other player. Seles fans are among the most senseless of all, if not the most.
@@markuse3472
Both Martina Navratilova and Sabatini were very sympathetic and supportive of Seles and they wanted Seles to come back so they supported for her to come back with the no.1 co-ranking which was robbed from her .....
im a huge seles fan, but even i have to admit that prior to her stabbing, she was NOT "beating steffi on a regular basis" as one of the interviewees claims... the HTH prior to the stabbing was 6-4 in favor of graf - there's no question seles was winning the bigger tournaments in 1991 and 1992, but it has little to do with beating graf regularly.
graf's career indeed began a renaissance post-seles stabbing, but that's not graf's fault
Amen whitewolf
In the big matches, Monica was beating her on a regular basis. 8 of their first 10 meetings were finals, which is rare that early on in a rivalry. They split those 8 meetings, though in the bigger GS finals, it was 3-1 to Monica.
wwecoowner Remember, Monica is 4 years younger than Steffi and Steffi beat Monica when she was still a child prodigy.
Four years may not sound like a lot but when you are that young it is a huge difference.
Monica was only going to get better and stronger...she was well on her way to being the greatest.
6-4, Steffi's favor: all titles are important. No one ever sees any player on the court, say, at the Japan Open, looking like they care less. It does Not happen.
Woah-woah woah! Jordan is my favorite basketball player (I like The Bulls), and for me he is the best player of all time, but as a competitor? Intellect disagrees. There just can't be ONE best competitor. There are many, many equally competitors at the top, not just one. In that, Seles can't also be, according to that guy, the best tennis competitor of all time. Its not possible. There can't also be One best guitarist in popular music of all time: there are a handful equally at the top. More so, just because Monica introduced that double-handed fore-and-back-hand with power, doesn't mean it made her untouchable as they make it seem in this video. Its a very, very, very simple tactic: she was trained and coached to do so. There is nothing genius about it. They say heavy metal would not have come but for Black Sabbath, but they are wrong. It was coming no matter what. Other bands had already sampled the sound. It was bound to take root and grow. Its the same with athletes and all sports: things grow. Its not genius. Genius is something hardly anyone else can do, and we know many others are now doing it. An introduction is a basic idea and that is it. I love Monica, but its evident pop culture stupidity runs through most peoples' minds regardless of their profession and its evident here (Chris Clarey, an obvious prejudice man). Richard Evens, the same. Fact also is that many seem great but end up only being at the top a short time. But no one pays mind to them. Monicas time was up. Players, including Steffi, figured out her weakness. A huge weakness. It wasn't Hingis' nor Capriatis and sure as many foods are toxicated, not Steffis. But Monicas time was simply up. Its obvious she still had what it took after the stabbing, very obvious, but she was not meant to have risen much more. The stab on Monica was so minute its ridiculous thinking that was what made her physically less of a player after 1993. Completely absurd. The other players simply figured her out, her weakness (if I have to explain then her fans are surely closeted people). Steffi 6-4 in her favor, pre-1993, H2H. M J's father was murdered yet, he came back and led the Bulls to 3 more titles. Many, many other athletes have suffered more serious physical injuries and mental hardships than Seles, yet, they came back and regained their top-semi-top status. The announcer that said Seles was beating Steffi only shows how stupid professional people (he) can be. People are overall educated with pop culture (biases and prejudices) stupidity more and more, and real reason and intellect are frowned upon. Steffi showed she was the best, and she still is the GOAT. The Williams' are cheats, not technically, but virtually and reasonably. Their dad taught and instructed them to Scream and Howl when playing, ONLY TO ANNOY and FRUSTRATE their competition. It worked. Many say "well, Monica did, too"--NO: Monica obviously Grunted, sometimes loud, but they surely weren't screams. They also took PEDS/Roids and that is obvious.
1. Serena
2.Steffi
3. Martina
4. Monica
5. Chris
This is my opinion, I know that many people say Seles would have won so much more than steffi, but nobody thinks of other things, The father of Steffi had to go in jail so she had a very hard time to go trough and she lost most of her matches against other players than Monica so I think that steffi would have beaten Seles
No more like:
1. Serena
2. Court
3. Graf
4. Lenglen
5. Connolly
6. Wills
7. Evert
8. Navratiilova
9. King
10. Seles, Venus, Henin or Goolagong
Steffi also suffered through some physical matters: her knee, back, hand.
Not only that, there are lots of factors to consider to make a reasonable analysis instead of being biased towards Seles in saying she would have won so much more without the stab. Why nobody says that the stab healed in weeks? or that Seles had other family and eating problems? or that no player can sustain so many time at the top and her slump would have come regardless? Monica was great, but just not great enough and the stab is not valid as an excuse
Wow, an echo chamber of Graf superfans ....
even if we do not talk about the stabbing benefitting Graf by x number of slams, MARTINA NAVRATILOVA had so many all time records that Graf cannot match that its ridiculous to put her below Graf.
Navra's 6-straight slams (most in history), 167 singles titles (60 more than Graf), longest winning streak in tennis history, highest winning percentage ever in a year, the only player ever who lost only once after playing more than 80s matches in a year (she's the closest anyone has ever come to zero loss after playing more than 80 matches in a year), won many of her singles slams while winning the doubles events too, had to do everything while dealing with another 18-slam GOAT Evert.
Graf basically only have 1 thing better than Navra, her 22 singles slams, even this is due to her enjoying free slams after Seles got stabbed.
So, let me ask you all here, how can Graf be greater than Navra when Navra has so many records that Graf couldn't break even when those records were right in front of her as a target ?
Seriously? Serena is no better than Navratilova and Graf
I love Monica and I think she played amazing at her peak, but boy, to say that the stab changed the course of women´s tennis, that made Graf return to the top and that she would have won tons of slams without it is being far too exagerated and too biased, it sounds nice and obsequious to Monica but it´s far from being a reasonable analysis. Sure, Seles was at the peak when she was stabbed but "what if" the aggressor just saved Monica from a natural slump from which she would not come back anyway? after all, the injury healed in a couple of weeks and Monica by herself decided not to come back for years. The tour was not Monica alone, Steffi was working very hard to get back to the top and it´s not like Steffi could not beat Monica or Monica was easily beating Graf, she needed to play 100% and more to do that. Besides, no player has so many consecutive years at the top, not Steffi, not Serena, not Nadal or Djokovic. Monica´s slump was a question of months if not weeks, and she also had her personal problems, it´s not guaranteed she would have continued dominating as she did. Who would have said in early 1999 that Hingis would never win another slam? or that Venus in 2002 would only win 3 more and her sister would be the one with much more slams? or that Henin would retire in early 2008 at her age and at the top? Again, I love Monica and the attack to her was horrendous and should never happen again, but it doesn´t change the fact that she could have come back soon and she didn´t and that she had other familiar and eating problems too and could never win as much as she did in her teen years.
Not to forget that up to the stabbing incident, Graf won 6 out of 10 matches against Seles, Steffi was the real GOAT.
@@WhiteWolfBitcoin There are hundreds of things that any human being "never expects" to happen and has to overcome without being "RAMBO", it´s absurd to compare that superficial wound with the injuries an army sargeant has to be trained for. I take that the circumstances of that injury were unique, yet as I said it was healed in a few weeks. The attack was terrible but Seles showed she was not mentally strong enough and as you said, mentality is 90% of the game so.. with or without the stab, Seles was mentally weak and I highly doubt she would have won much more than what she did had the stab never happened
@@WhiteWolfBitcoin Maybe she was traumatized after the stab, who wouldn´t be? but to say that was the only reason she dropped the sport in which she was so successful for so much time and she was traumatized for life, I just don´t buy it.
Pre-stabbing, 3 of Graf's wins was during Seles's first year on tour as a skinny tiny 15 yo little girl.... how is it fair to count those ?
Also, its incredibly biased to say Seles will slump anyway even without stabbing .... but fact is she was on the brink of reaching physical peak in 1-6 years time. Thats a long stretch of time for her to improve her footworks, power and game.
Seles had the work ethic and focus on the same level as Graf, why would she not be able to maintain that focus to improve in every aspect of her game ???
@@88feji It´s simple, because she didn´t. For me there´s no question that Graf benefitted directly from Monica´s stab, the question is if Seles had continued playing without any attack, would have she remained injuury free?, how would have an injury affected her? would becoming adult have affected her psyche? would have she kept her weight considering her eating disorders? would her family problems have affected her too? Would Graf have benefitted equally from other Monica´s problems and taken any opportunity to leave Monica behind even without any stab?. Too many what ifs.
I think that Steffi Graf is the best female tennis player of all time. Monica was amazing and winning regularly but her game was very one dimensional. Eventually Steffi who is a better athlete and player would have figured out a way to beat her. I never liked Monica Seles, but what happened to her was tragic for the game. I think she should have been ranked higher than 19 for sure.
Please Steffi had Monica stabbed and still has been passed in slams by Serena even with that. Serena is hands down the best ever, with nobody coming close. Without the stabbing both Graf and Seles would probably only have about 16 slams each, not 20+ for Seles as nutty Seles fans delude themseves, nor Graf still having 20+ as retarded Graf fans delude themselves.
Woah-woah woah! Jordan is my favorite basketball player (I like The
Bulls), and for me he is the best player of all time, but as a
competitor? Intellect disagrees. There just can't be ONE best
competitor. There are many, many equally competitors at the top, not
just one. In that, Seles can't also be, according to that guy, the best
tennis competitor of all time. Its not possible. There can't also be One
best guitarist in popular music of all time: there are a handful
equally at the top. More so, just because Monica introduced that
double-handed fore-and-back-hand with power, doesn't mean it made her
untouchable as they make it seem in this video. Its a very, very, very
simple tactic: she was trained and coached to do so. There is nothing
genius about it. They say heavy metal would not have come but for Black
Sabbath, but they are wrong. It was coming no matter what. Other bands
had already sampled the sound. It was bound to take root and grow. Its
the same with athletes and all sports: things grow. Its not genius.
Genius is something hardly anyone else can do, and we know many others
are now doing it. An introduction is a basic idea and that is it. I love
Monica, but its evident pop culture stupidity runs through most
peoples' minds regardless of their profession and its evident here
(Chris Clarey, an obvious prejudice man). Richard Evens, the same. Fact
also is that many seem great but end up only being at the top a short
time. But no one pays mind to them. Monicas time was up. Players,
including Steffi, figured out her weakness. A huge weakness. It wasn't
Hingis' nor Capriatis and sure as many foods are toxicated, not Steffis.
But Monicas time was simply up. Its obvious she still had what it took
after the stabbing, very obvious, but she was not meant to have risen
much more. The stab on Monica was so minute its ridiculous thinking that
was what made her physically less of a player after 1993. Completely
absurd. The other players simply figured her out, her weakness (if I
have to explain then her fans are surely closeted people). Steffi 6-4 in
her favor, pre-1993, H2H. M J's father was murdered yet, he came back
and led the Bulls to 3 more titles. Many, many other athletes have
suffered more serious physical injuries and mental hardships than Seles,
yet, they came back and regained their top-semi-top status. The
announcer that said Seles was beating Steffi only shows how stupid
professional people (he) can be. People are overall educated with pop
culture (biases and prejudices) stupidity more and more, and real reason
and intellect are frowned upon. Steffi showed she was the best, and she
still is the GOAT. The Williams' are cheats, not technically, but
virtually and reasonably. Their dad taught and instructed them to Scream
and Howl when playing, ONLY TO ANNOY and FRUSTRATE their competition.
It worked. Many say "well, Monica did, too"--NO: Monica obviously
Grunted, sometimes loud, but they surely weren't screams. They also took
PEDS/Roids and that is obvious.
Why didn't Steffi figure out her game at the Australian Open in 1993? Sure enough that was enough time to figure out Seles' game. Yet that match ended with Monica slamming Steffi's weak 2nd serve for a winner lol.
Not just at the AO in 1993 but before, too. I am giving you more space to work with. I am not in this as a Steffi or any one else's fan, I am here, as I am in everything I do and think, to display reason and intellect, since its obvious you people don't invest in such matters but instead in pop culture (prejudice, biases, bigotry). I do research. I study these matters of athletes. You people don't or else wisdom would show in your comments.
Taking a look at all sports, all athletes, all circumstances and dynamics, its easy to see and know many times time must pass by for some to really grasp what they can change, for others its faster to see and work on their game and expose another's weakness. Its life. Its fact. Its science.
Your short statements displays lack of intellect, much like a hateful spoiled person yelling at others since they (you) can't talk in peace and reason. "lol"? Really? In a court room, you would be kicked-out on your ass for using such feeble terms in an area where logic and intellect top everything else.
As for you "Steffis weak second serve..." Well, I agree, it was weak, and I agree because we have evidence. But, Steffi holds a 6-4 overall winning record over Monica, whom I love (unlike you prejudiced idiots who can't tolerate others selectively).
Science, evidence, obviously shows Monica was not meant to have lasted at the top/near top for too long. This is reasonable because we see many other players who last for 1, 4, 10, whatever years at the top but are brought to an end in whatever amount of time (as I just mentioned). Seles was figured out and for me its that obvious.
@@markuse3472 My comment wasn't directed to you but to the OP. I didn't read your rant, you need to learn to edit your thoughts and be more concise. I'm laughing at you out loud by the way.
Selestials who make up 0.001% of the human population, but the craziest 0.001% by far, call her the best ever. The rest of the world and real experts call her the 19th best player ever, sounds more about right.
Woah-woah woah! Jordan is my favorite basketball player (I like The Bulls), and for me he is the best player of all time, but as a
competitor? Intellect disagrees. There just can't be ONE best competitor. There are many, many equally competitors at the top, not just one. In that, Seles can't also be, according to that guy, the best tennis competitor of all time. Its not possible. There can't also be One best guitarist in popular music of all time: there are a handful equally at the top. More so, just because Monica introduced that double-handed fore-and-back-hand with power, doesn't mean it made her untouchable as they make it seem in this video. Its a very, very, very simple tactic: she was trained and coached to do so. There is nothing genius about it. They say heavy metal would not have come but for Black Sabbath, but they are wrong. It was coming no matter what. Other bands
had already sampled the sound. It was bound to take root and grow. Its the same with athletes and all sports: things grow. Its not genius. Genius is something hardly anyone else can do, and we know many others are now doing it. An introduction is a basic idea and that is it. I love Monica, but its evident pop culture stupidity runs through most peoples' minds regardless of their profession and its evident here (Chris Clarey, an obvious prejudice man). Richard Evens, the same. Fact also is that many seem great but end up only being at the top a short time. But no one pays mind to them. Monicas time was up. Players, including Steffi, figured out her weakness. A huge weakness. It wasn't Hingis' nor Capriatis and sure as many foods are toxicated, not Steffis. But Monicas time was simply up. Its obvious she still had what it took after the stabbing, very obvious, but she was not meant to have risen much more. The stab on Monica was so minute its ridiculous thinking that was what made her physically less of a player after 1993. Completely absurd. The other players simply figured her out, her weakness (if I have to explain then her fans are surely closeted people). Steffi 6-4 in her favor, pre-1993, H2H. M J's father was murdered yet, he came back
and led the Bulls to 3 more titles. Many, many other athletes have suffered more serious physical injuries and mental hardships than Seles, yet, they came back and regained their top-semi-top status. The announcer that said Seles was beating Steffi only shows how stupid professional people (he) can be. People are overall educated with pop culture (biases and prejudices) stupidity more and more, and real reason and intellect are frowned upon. Steffi showed she was the best, and she still is the GOAT. The Williams' are cheats, not technically, but virtually and reasonably. Their dad taught and instructed them to Scream
and Howl when playing, ONLY TO ANNOY and FRUSTRATE their competition. It worked. Many say "well, Monica did, too"--NO: Monica obviously Grunted, sometimes loud, but they surely weren't screams. They also took PEDS/Roids and that is obvious.