It's IMPOSSIBLE To Fail College in China
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ADVChina, I think it's quite clear that college degrees in China are useless and, despite the supposedly tough high school exams their students go through the fact is, only 23% of foreign Chinese students in the US are able to get US degrees and despite being helped by Chinese underground network of providing test questions and extra help for doing reports.
This is proof as well that Western and Asian university rankings have no bearing on reality when they place some Chinese universities among the top universities.
I'm about to start my 3rd year teaching here, and I gotta say - the Chinese parents don't view tuition fees as paying for the professors' time, use of campus facilities etc. No. In thier minds, they are paying for/buying the degree, and won't accept anything less than a pass. Most of the classes I teach are for specialized (and expensive classes). These spoiled rich brats fuck around constantly, because if they fail, and the school refuses to give them a free pass, they'll just take their money to a differnt university who'll be more than happy to take the money.
- so that's why it is impossible to fail.
whoa, it's more than easy to fail in canadian college or university, and they don't give a shit if they fail us.
Why are you making fun of underwater basket weaving? Took me four years to get that degree and $80,000
Or computer science
Doesn't it go by the more sophisticated name of Sub-Aquatic Wickerware Fabrication nowadays?
@@Shenzhou. It's digital sub-Aquatic Wickerware Fabrication now.
$80,000? Where'd you go, I paid $200,000 but mine included artisan basket weaving and an introduction to extreme knitting
"French Medieval Literature" yes, that is a real degree.
It was totally C-Milk's fault.
I hope that C-Milk understands all these up-votes for this comment are made with smiles on our faces :)
Really wish you guys had made this video before I came to China to start my masters in international relations...
"International Relations." Sounds like a porn I'd watch.
Can you go into a little more detail how your experience was?
"International Relations" Masters in China..................You are having a laugh!
I wonder what you intend doing in your life after that waste of time.
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I'm interested also
I'm currently studying medicine in Europe. After a trip to Hong Kong, I looked into studying in HK. What I learned was that 95% of people trying to work in the UK after their studies did not pass the test for their licensing. Before 1997 a HK medical degree was equivalent to a UK degree. Either the standards have fallen drastically or they were never that high, which I don't believe.
It's more difficult to get into medicine in HK than UK.. not sure what you are saying
@@jy-gb3nh that doesn't mean the quality of the teaching is good, like at all.
@Ummer Farooq let's hope! sooner is better!
It's likely due to language barrier.
If we decided to take a License exam in chinese, I'm sure most of us would spend the whole time trying to understand what we're looking at.
I don't know much about HK's education, but if it was like China's, they might be putting most of their doctors through an accelerated program.
So becoming a doctor can take only 5 years, rather than our typical 8 years in western institutions. Less time->more cramming->fewer indepth knowledge retained
The information in this video is not well researched, what they state does not apply to all of China.
I don’t have the facts either but probably the top medical schools in HK are equivalent, Plus the system might be based on the UK system since you know it’s HK
Speaking of studying Chinese in China: when I was studying Chinese in Taiwan I had some classmates who initially started to study in Beijing, but didn't like it and moved to Taipei; all of them agreed studying Chinese in Taiwan was a much better experience in terms of academic quality but especially regarding the quality of life, people's manners, development, etc, and on top of that you can legally work in Taiwan while you're studying. I've never studied in China, so I can't compare how is it to study Chinese in China vs. Taiwan.
Another fact: in addition to people from Chinese-speaking countries like Malaysia or Singapore, more and more Chinese are moving to Taiwan to pursue a university degree. The vast majority of foreign students in Taiwan come from these 3 countries. As the population in Taiwan is decreasing, universities are welcoming more Chinese students. I wonder what will be the impact of Chinese students in the academic quality in Taiwan in the long term.
As stated in the video, virtually every graduate in China went to "no fail" university.
This includes all of their doctors that went to med school, among other professionals.
I've been teaching at a university here in Guangzhou for over seven years. During this time, I have failed over 200 Chinese students from my classes. Many of these students had not even taken the Gaokao exam, but the school still admitted them because they came from wealthy families and could cover the full tuition. These students were totally unqualified for university/college level classes. When these students reached their senior year, the school still allowed them to graduate with their class and receive their diploma/certificate. As a western waiguo ren this has always been difficult to accept. A good example of the differences in Chinese culture vs Western culture.
I'm from the Baltic states and started learning English from second grade. Other than the middle-aged folks, everyone in the Baltics speaks great English.
and old folks as well obviously lol
But the real question is: Can Estonia into Nordic?
I disagree that doing a science degree in China is not recognized in the west. I am a Physicist in Germany and we have really good collaborations as well as PhD students from China. Their degrees, as well as the research in China, are very well respected!
I studied in both mainland China and New Zealand majored in computer science. To be honest, one of the best unit in my province taught me 10% percent of what they taught me in NZ. However, I'm so desperate to study, so I taught myself all the skills I need in programming(without google)... I feel like I almost lost 4 years of my best time, but that is how it was and I need to accept it.
Every time I ask my colleagues in NZ, how their uni was and whether they study themselves to get into the industry, I realized how much better their uni was, I felt they are fortunate.
On the other side, the 4 years in Chinese uni told me how to study by myself, how to overcome that sense of decaying young. That may be good, so I know how to learn no matter I'm in school or not. But many people didn't do the same, they just wasted.
Similar thing in Japan. High school is very stressful, tests to get into the best universities are incredibly tough, but when you're in, university is a piece of cake
i gotta disagree on this one. I'm Korean that goes to a top Korean university but I have friends that go to Chinese universities. Your comments would be true only to foreigners, as it is easy for foreigners to get in a top school. And while it is true grad requirements are laxer than American universities, C-milk's experience is only true in bottom tier schools, that would never happen in a decent university.
I agree, NEVER NEVER NEVER come to China to get a degree except for a Chinese language degree, this is my 6th year studying here, and to be honest it’s not worth it. They have very smart professors and all that, but most of them don’t know how to teach in English, but just to be fair China is changing a lot in terms of teaching international students, so maybe after no less than 5 years, MAYBE it would be a good idea to come here to study.
Hameed Mahdi I would just like to add that not all universities in China are the same, if you go to a good university you’re going to get a good lecturers if you go to a bad university of going to get bad lecturers what you need to look out for is the universities ranking and the universities internatinonal activities such as exchange programs
what make you to expect a university in China to teach in English for a Chinese language degree?
jzprft Zhang in my university most of the Chinese lecturers have spent a considerably long amount of time studying abroad, Canada, USA and UK so their English is considerably good for non native speakers.... like I keep preaching its all about the universities ranking and international activities... I guess I should also add that the university must have an English bachelor degree program to expect better English standard
Degrees taught in English are pretty new so their quality may not be as good as those taught in Chinese
Hameed Mahdi where did you study? And what was the major?
The best Chinese students usually stay in China because it is very difficult to get into good Chinese Universities. Many rich Chinese parents, therefore, choose to send their kids to the West where they can get into top Universities very easily. To say it's impossible to fail college in China is simply nonsense.
What saying is true Chinese will pay or giveh brides if there kids fail college or university then they pass when my brother was teacher at university he got offered money all the time when the Chinese would not turn up for class when he refused the university would accept the bride and would pass .
There's a big caveat: this rule doesn't quite apply for the top-ranked universities in China. Top universities in China that make those 'top world universities' (paraphrased) rankings are comparable to their similarly ranked international counterparts. For reference, the random Inner Mongolia, Huizhou, and even Shenzhen universities don't make those top world rankings.
I would say that the university experience of Winston and Matt would be comparable to a community college experience in America. By the same token, we would not compare an American community college to an Ivy League university.
Similarly, if you're doing an international exchange at a top ranking Chinese university, don't expect a free ride.
Insightful comment! Based on the video I was under the impression that every Chinese uni was like that.
Yeah I am in agreement with this, I am seriously doubting this type of shit can get away in a large state university.
Please do not spoil the fun.
Everybody is having a great time lampooning the Chinese and no one here wants to hear the truth.
China has become a top destination for international students and as of 2013, China is the most popular country in Asia for international students, and ranks 3rd overall among countries, surpassing even Japan and Korea for international students.
Source: _China ranks third among countries that host the most international students_ usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/articles/2013/10/08/explore-the-worlds-top-universities
Have colleagues at top tier universities and cheating is just as bad and plagiarism should be offered as a degree based on the proficiency of the papers you see there. Yes, it really is that bad. You can find the scandals in the western papers and academic journals if you look for them, but usually blocked in China.
I don't necessarily agree with this. I just finished my exchange at Tsinghua university. As an engineer, I would say it is quite a waste to study Chinese there as an exchange student.
Tsinghua has great engineering faculties, with disproportionate funding in comparison to other chinese universities. Although, you cannot fail, indeed, the professors I've had were great. Besides that, I was in class with Chinese students, which you won't get if you're studying Chinese. You get to work with arguably the smartest people in a country of 1.4 billion. The laboratories were also great due to (i guess) the budget they have available per student.
Anyway, that has been my experience. I think many universities here are getting a better and better international reputation. Degrees would not be worthless anymore. I must say that I enjoy my home university in The Netherlands more, due to a more pleasant student life, and more reliance on personal responsibility. Education wise, the quality is not that different from my home university. Mind you that Tsinghua is one of China's top universities, though.
My hypothesis here, it's their cognition that has been confined.
Cmilk has worked at universities where literally anyone could go, no prerequiste. Same went for serpentza.
yeah I can't blame them because they've been honest and told us what they seen and experienced. And ofcourse their knowledge about where they have worked is 100% true, that is indeed part of China. However, there are also the parts of they never know about, Tsinghua is one.
Actually if either of them had ever been working for a better place, just any colleges better than "二本", they would have seen much more efficient education process. Though there'd be higher requirement for employments.
After watching quite many videos of this channel, most Chinese people we can find are the fat bald guys drinking beer at street restaurants, middle aged customers in vegetable markets, and hookers etc. Are they aware there are fancier guys in China? They are, but they rarely met one of those.
I believe this is the very reason why they once claimed "China has no pop music".
I came to this conclusion based on the experience I had. The first half year I spent in Germany, the whole world mainly consisted of kabab(Döner), language courses and several German films about multiculturalisim I’d watched. That led to quite a misunderstanding for me to this country I currently lived in.
That's kinda what "thinking outside the box" means.
I think he was saying more that getting a degree *in Chinese* from a Chinese University is the only way to go if you're set on getting a degree in Chinese, as opposed to doing Chinese as a subject for an unrelated degree.
raggedcritical I'm not sure if I understand you correctly. Do you mean that you should only study Chinese in China?
I think that still holds truth. You will learn it way faster. I am just stating that IF you plan to do this, and you're studying at Tsinghua, there is way more interesting subjects than Chinese.
The quality of education is a lot better than gets portrayed in this video.
not to mention they're in the top 30 best universities worldwide
David de G awesome! What did you study? And where do you study in NL? I’m considering to go the same route! (From Delft to Tsinghua)
6:35 I'm from one of the Baltic States (Lithuania), pretty much all of the young generation that come to China can speak English pretty well, and there aren't many people from there coming to China anyway 😂
Legend says Winston's hair still smells like that fermented rice water shampoo.
lmao
Bald winston incoming
Seems that recently, that stuff finally kicked in!
Is that common in Asia? I've read in the past that it's about the same in Japan -- primary and secondary schools (and/or the private cram schools everyone goes to) are hard, but University is a total joke.
I heard the same from my japanese teacher, which explained us that uni is the only time in their life that japaneses can enjoy
Yeap, it's.
East Europe primary and secondary were super hard. I didn’t finish secondary until i came to US. Major culture shock. Then i go to University and get my head fried getting an engineering degree. This explains why US colleges are so desirable.
In Korea you study your ass off to go to a good university, but once you're in people just drink, get wasted, get a diploma and leave. In Asia all that's important is the school's brand and reputation.
That's why Asia produces fewer Nobel Laureates. All the students are burnt out studying for entrance exams and in university they just party and do nothing. It's a system that creates drones and retards, not intelligent academics.
This so explains the inflation at the college level in the US.
"Baltic states" says an African
I was thinking the same. Also to presume that just because English is not your native tongue you are not qualified to teach. Anyway enjoyed video
That’s what“以偏概全”means in Chinese. You can’t use your personal experience to judge all the unis in China. You mentioned Tsinghua university in the video, which is a top university in China . I am following a Malaysian CZcamsr who is studying at Tsinghua university right now@锦堂生活空间. He often wakes up at 3am to do the revisions in order to get a good degree. The study is far more intense at those universities than you think. No need to mention the difficulty of getting into a university like that in China. Even in some 2nd or 3rd tier universities, a lot of students are trying their best to get qualified for applying postgraduate course. Think about the influence of your video and the reputation of those hardworking students after they finally got their “fake degrees”. I’ve watched your channel for almost two years now, this is the first time I ever disagreed that much with you. Plz don’t think you already know everything about this country, what you see is just a part of it.
You are wrong. I'm from Sweden and I have never met a Chinese person here with a bachelor degree or a masters degree, it's just too difficult for the Chinese people to get one, I'm not a racist, these are just facts. Swedish students are more hardworking and maybe more rational thinking. I have also never met a Korean or Japanese person here with a degree. The only foreigners that managed to get a degree in Sweden were a few Persian people. But then again people say our universities are harder than in the US so that's probably why, extremely few people have a degree here.
I want to go to China to study to be a brain surgeon and then come back to the US and open my own ER in my shed. Do i have anyone who wants to be my first patient when i get back?
Fem Latra I will be your first patient so long as you promise to put my brain back where you found it and not sell it.
I’m just high key disappointed in the lack of research you guys made before making this video, with such a title and with such a message, China wouldn’t be where it is without its education and we need to remember that not all universities are the same and this message does not cover the big picture
To be honest at this point I kind of feel like you guys are just spreading negative propaganda.... lol #semifakenews
Studying in Shenzhen, Peking University PHBS Business School. Definitely possible to fail. Many students do fail their thesis here actually.
Rick Nobels those are real universities.
hey guy, I'm a student from HITsz here, same campus with u.
mikeissjr Same toughts as Rick, also a student there. During their discussion they do not make the distinction between schools, they just agree that it is bad overall which is obviously not true. But I agree that there is a lot to say about the bad parts :)
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Bullshit. It was a cakewalk for everyone I know that graduated from PKU. Not to mention the inflated amount of "research" articles generated.
I don't mean to be rude, but if no one fails anything , your wife isn't really a doctor, she would have to go to university/medical school elsewhere to actually qualify as a real M.D.
In China, there are doctors and then there are ' doctors'. Not all are highly skilled or even at GP level.
His wife studied a lot of her degree in australia
She’s from Hong Kong. A Dictors degree in HK is basically a UK degree.
Of course you mean to be rude, if not you would have emitted less stupid with your keyboard.
New York is the only state that does not require a Chinese doctor to take additional classes and study before taking a state licensed exam to practice medicine. but it's not required of doctors from India, Philippines and Taiwan, I think that answers your question.
As a student of chinese language and a fan of both of your channels I want to thank all of you for these videos. Amazing content, always!
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From what I've heard, school in Japan is pretty similar. Not to quite the same extent, but still high school is so crazy hard that university is kind of a break. I'm from the US myself, and university was pretty hard for me, although I didn't exactly make it easy on myself (double major, Linguistics (which is very math heavy when you're learning things like Optimality Theory) and Classics (which is, ironically, all the dead languages TV makes you think you'll learn in Linguistics)). Having gone through that, I honestly wish that students didn't have to work while going to school here; I think I would have done much better if I were just a student and not both a student and a manager. Granted, that's not the same as saying that a student shouldn't be _allowed_ to work, but it'd be nice if they didn't _have_ to, like maybe government-subsidized education up to the bachelors level in state universities, with room and board part of that subsidy if you live and eat on-campus? Somehow, I doubt China does anything like that either, though it'd be pretty cool if they did.
Studying Chinese in China for a year is exactly what I'll be doing commencing in a few weeks. Good to hear I made the right choice.
Chinese characters have been continuously in use since 1200 BCE and Mandarin Chinese is the world's most spoken language today by number of speakers. There are also many Chinese ethnic enclaves located near major cities in other countries, where people can enjoy Chinese culture and language, and sample Chinese food. These ethnic enclaves are commonly known in the West as "Chinatowns".
They are going to feed you to the fish.
I wonder if medical schools are the same because here in the U.S.there are many Chinese doctors with Chinese medical degrees. They do have to take some sort of equivalency examine in order to become a licensed physician but it's about the same as GED is to a highschool diploma.
That's a rather scary possibility.
That's how it should be. If you are going to pay tens of thousands of dollars, then you deserve the degree. No one should be allowed to fail. Degrees are already meaningless. All the college kids with degrees are still idiots, even engineers and doctors.
Degrees are pure technicality. Nothing but a lottery ticket for a chance to win a job.
I'm retired. I taught at Waseda University, Tokyo. One kid would always bring a Heineken Lager Beer to class. His father was Yakuza. I approved of his choice of beer. I wish I could have drunk in class, too.
teaching English, one of the easiest jobs??? Yeah if you don't take it seriously
I’m an English teacher and I’ve never thought of it as easy. It can be extremely stressful actually, and it wears you down. I think any office job is way cushier
i take it very seriously and its so fucking easy. but you have to love what you do and any job will be easy if you love it
@@EvilKris It may be easy for him, you do not know that, but then you go on a rant about being self-employed. That is completely different from a standard English teacher.
@@AkathrielAK
Depends on so many factors. I get a pretty decent salary and benefits, but I work my ass off.
he generalized, I generalized
I studied international economics and Mandarin for one year at 华师大学 in Shanghai. My "upper level" courses in economics were easier than my introductory econ classes from high school. The Chinese professor relied heavily on us, as international students, to fill in the spaces. If you were a well-spoken English-native, you received an A - even if you never went to class. The Mandarin language classes were top-notch, however. The best place to learn Chinese is in China - go figure.
True. Many Chinese colleges need the share number of international students to increase ranking. They have double standard of course. That's why getting into Tsinghua or Peking University as a foreigner is easy af comparing to local students (3000 out of 9 millions students will be accepted each yr).
Rambo4505 like I have been preaching throughout all these comments your university’s professors skills depend on it’s a ranking the greater the ranking the greater the education of the professors they hire resulting in the greater education you will receive
Just like anywhere else in the world you have good schools and you have bad schools you just need to learn how to avoid the bad ones
Mostly agree here. I am finishing my 2 year master degree in International Trade in Beijing and frankly, its not hard to see that the grading and the tests are designed so you can pass no matter what. I even have a friend working in Shanghai for the last 2 years, just coming back for the mid terms and final exams each semester, he will probably also get his degree.
Why it is so easy to pass? Its a mix of different things:
-In general, group project presentations, mid terms and final exams grades are inflated (they often follow a logic of "grade starts from 100 and each time there is a mistake I remove a point instead of each time there is a correct answer I give a point"). I had more than average group presentations that were graded 98/100... I mean when you're in a class where half the students are never there and the average final score is 90, its a tad ridiculous.
-Cheating is often not punished, I saw some people just getting a warning. Another problem is that some professors are ok for instance if you say you use your smartphone as a calculator... Professors sometimes also "mistakenly" publish answers for homework on the online platform.
-Many international students are often sons of ambassadors and can put pressure on the administrative staff so that their final score is increased. They also use their influence to get rooms in the dorms when other have to wait one or two semesters before a room gets freed (Not joking).
The end results is quite sad cause most students just stop taking seriously their studies after a few months. Fortunately there is still a handful of professors that are actually interesting and more strict. To conclude, studying in China is not a pleasant experience.
BUT you do not need the prerequisite of 2 years of work experience if you want to get a working visa in China if you have master degree in China, so that only is a huge reason why it is still worth it, + the usual Chinese classes your university should offer you.
Yeah. I met a Chinese boy whose father was chief of police. They passed him. The kid is a idiot. He does not even know much about his own culture. The kid asked me if I will take him to the US. His teacher ran to me and said. OMG. No. She told the boy to stop talking to me. But the other kids in the class all seemed educated
Where did you go to study?
@@NicolasDuqueMrDuque Beijing, UIBE
It's also impossible to fail at Harvard, Columbia and every other over priced, fancy smancy Ivy League school I know about.
It you pay a fortune for a degree (sometimes just to get accepted) you get a degree.
Many Universities are going this way, thanks to high cost, affirmative action, commie politics, etc.
Real education is dying fast, but still exists in some of the STEM and business fields. This will NOT END WELL.
It makes me wonder how Alexandria ocasió-Cortez passed Columbia, it seems that academically they have lowered their standards.
Nah it is possible to fail at IVY leagues, but they make it VERY difficult for you due to inflation.
@@mikeyKnows_ If her name happens to be Katty Smith she won't get no chance to even passing one single course !
@@mikeyKnows_ Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez went to Boston Univ., not Columbia. That's why.
Harvard and the Ivy League schools have actually been discriminating against Asian American applicants, by marking them lower on traits like "positive personality,” likability, courage, kindness and being “widely respected. Even when Asian Americans scored higher than applicants of any other racial or ethnic group on admissions measures like test scores, grades and extracurricular activities.
_Harvard Rated Asian-American Applicants Lower on Personality Traits, Suit Says_ nytimes.com/2018/06/15/us/harvard-asian-enrollment-applicants.html
We were looking at shipyards to convert a tanker into an FPSO. A couple of Chinese ones were looked at, and one of them boasted having 200 PhDs on their staff. We just laughed our arses off. 200 PhDs and all friggin useless. Went with a Korean yard.
Converting tanker into an FPSO? Why not go to India? It's cheap like hell !!
China is home to some of the world's largest shipbuilding companies, so what's wrong with the boast of 200 PhDs?
Source: _List of the largest shipbuilding companies_ wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_largest_shipbuilding_companies
In the west, Phd, means nerd, professor, or researcher, or "you could not get a job in your field of humanities and your daddy warbucks just kept paying for you to obtain more degrees, ie... bs bullshit degree, ms more shit degree ...phd, shit piled higher and deeper degree. Braggin about your phd 's in the west does not get you any respect. I once had a Chinese friend who always introduced himself by mentioning his phd and he was an insurance salesman. we were not friends very long, arrogant self righteous prick was my first impression and strangely I was correct.
Lets see how that turns out for ya lol. You would be pretty stupid to turn down coeec and went for Samsung.
@@Shenzhou. I thought youtube was banned in China?
Having graduated from a Power 5 conference school I will say that University was challenging, but I also spent a lot of time goofing off and should have taken my studies much more seriously. I saw more than a few guys flunk out whereas in high school it was a push for everyone to graduate, so in my experience University was much more difficult. Great vid guys always look forward to them every week and coming from a guy who spent his years in University studying film your production value is top notch, great job as usual.
It's so ironic as a Chinese to see foreigners(whatever your academic achievements) can enroll and graduate from a top tier Chinese University like Fudan or Qinghua. And it's super difficult for a Chinese who live outside of major cities(Shanghai, Beijing as a perfect example) to enter such a university. And according to official data from the Chinese statistics department, only less than 7% of the whole population had the opportunities to receive higher education. What to say..
Tsinghua exchange student here. I partly agree on this. It's a problem of supply and demand in my view. Within China, many students want to get in, and there's only a few spots. These universities want to become international as it will boost their rankings. There is, however, from outside still less demand for the spots that tsinghua has for internationals. This leads them to choose for maybe less excellent students as their chinese counterparts.
Mind you that on exchange level, students from all american ivy league universities, top european and asian universities come ;). These students had to fight for a spot in their home university, plus fight for an exchange spot (usually 5 students in the entire uni that are allowed to go to tsinghua in one academic year). It's not THAT easy, although there's maybe less people who are interested in an exchange in China when you can go to other top unis around the world. China still scares some people off.
@@daviddeg9633 For exchange students, its quite difficult because the fierce competition. As far as I know, a example of my friend, who is a Dutch Chinese that only speaks English/Cantonese got accepted by Peking University, still fairly easy for her. And I know that she was not the top students in her class/school either.
@@user-kp6px4zd2m Hahaha, that's interesting! I am Dutch myself. Is she doing her entire degree at Peking University?
When we're 12 years old, we have to do some kind of gaokao, which will determine to 'which level' of high school we go. Only at the highest level of high school, in which the top 17% enrolls, you are allowed to go to university. We are allowed to go to every Dutch university we want, no selection, just by passing this high school.
If you're doing average at a high school that allows you to go to university in my country, you're already in the top 9% of ALL students. The culture does not feel as competitive. No one even studies for this 'gaokao' when we're 12.
Now, I know that top 9% differs a whole a lot in comparison to the Chinese students who get selected for Peking University.. But a top 10% student that can speak Dutch, English, (probably German or French, as this is mandatory at a Dutch high school) and Cantonese, and has the motivation to learn Mandarin... I think she's too humble on herself ;).
David de G haha I know the dutch education system becaude mysekf also graudte from a dutch uni. Hahs
@@user-kp6px4zd2m Which university? That's awesome ^^. I hope you had a great time in the Netherlands.
I've had two different experiences in foreign universities. When I studied at UNAM (National Univ. Of Mexico in Mexico City) I went to the School for Foreign Students - it was by far the easiest year I ever had in College - I only had 1 language class, the rest were in history, anthropology, architecture and drama. Very little homework, final exams were so easy. Even though I earned the only 4.0s I ever made, and I did learn about the subjects, it was a waste - what I learned from living in Mexico and traveling was far more valuable.
By comparison, I attended a semester at Cambridge in the UK - diff was night and day. It was a struggle. I did pass, and even got As in a couple of classes, but I had to work as hard as I ever have. I had more fun in Mexico, but valued the classroom education I received in the UK far more.
In spite of my Indian name I was brought up in the UK since the age of 2. The difference between school and university can be very high in some subjects. I got an A in A Level Chemistry and had been offered a Scholarship (pre-A Level) at Oxford to read Biochemistry (which I turned down) so I was a top student. However, studying Molecular Biology at London University, I and many others found some of the Chemistry courses we had to do in the First Year, way too advanced compared to what we had done at school. Luckily these first year courses were not relevant to the main degree where I came top of the year. This was back in the early 1980s. Since then school exams have become easier and schools are judged on pass rates thus the gap should have become greater. But tuition fees and the scramble to fill places means that the lowest-ranking 'universities' are handing out loads Firsts to appear 'value-for-money'. So whereas a few percent got Firsts back then, when a much smaller percentage of students went to university, much lower calibre students now go to university but the percentage of firsts has increased to about 25% or so in some universities.
@J G Alexander Von Humbolt used to disagree with that statement in the 1600'-1700s (not sure which year) Spanish America had proven physic laws that the brits blindly followed were wrong and after having a 2 hour conversation with the president s of Harvard and Yale he said the best that they said have talking 2 hrs was good bye... it was unberable to hear such ignorant people. This German traveled to European and American Universities and compared the. now because of black legend we do not know Paraguay was desroyed for having Jesuit education that allowed them to have railway trains contemporary to the US and England but that history was erased so most in the US and Europe non SPanish would have some selfesteem. Spain had the Manila Galeon for 200 yeas rules the Pacific Lake (Ocean) and global commerce from Asia to America to Spain (Europe) and the pirates could not find a way from the Atlantic to the Pacific Oceans (1600s) read this article of houw Spain gave money and everything to help the US indepence even defeated the brits in the South so Washington would only worry from the north front and sent the prisoners to NY so the 13 tiny colonies could recover soldiers from the brits. Erased history doing a come back LEASE aboue Bernardo de Galvez on the link below. Also the first US dollar was back by the Spanish Court so one Peso in the Americas was the same as un Continental dollar which had Spanish text it. Paper money. the first Global coin andthe only thing China wanted form the world Silver.... No offence I like British culture and everything but they used to be pirates in America and poor comparing to the quality of life and education Spanish Americans had 400 years before the US grew up. Spanish Luisian and New Spain even included Filipians amigos! an carribbean, central America and West Coast of the US. www.huffingtonpost.com/guillermo-fesser/united-states-of-spain_b_5618526.html
www.huffingtonpost.com/guillermo-fesser/united-states-of-spain_b_5618526.html P.S> maybe the US Continental dollar was named that way because they integrated to the Continent of America. Recently in 1985-86 the US and Japan adopted the North America and South America are two different Continents. Hey NYC Columbia University changed names from Kings College from England. It was because of Italian. Teddy Roosvelt in 1890s wrote an oped on the NY times showing happines the Italians were massacred in Luisiana spelled correctly (Orleans) and Italians recent;y were accepted into mainstream white status as recently as the 1970s i think no sure which decade but very recently. And DC the capital from Philadelphia moved to District of Columbia not because of Italians. A spaniard placed the first stone to build it and BErnardo de Galvez governor of all of Luisiana middle of the US marched next to Washington on the first parade ... Hail Columbia which was the song for president back then and now reserved for Vice President when they enter a room. Finally read the Newspaper. Even Las Floridas were Spanish they included 3 or 4 current day states. www.huffingtonpost.com/guillermo-fesser/united-states-of-spain_b_5618526.html P.S. 2 : The Merit System was adopted from China and used by the Jesuits in Europe and America Before the US became a country. Cheerio Amigos! and keep up the Awesome videos!!!! Pls We love them
I did an exchange year to 上海交通 university 2017/18. I studied engineering and I can agree that the courses I took on engineering was mostly very easy to pass (with a couple of exceptions) and the quality of education is a bit lower than my home university. The exceptions is what you guys already mentioned in the video, namely Mandarin Chinese. The situation was a bit more difficult for the Chinese students though. They had a harder time passing the courses, and were required to work in their assigned lab more than full time in addition to taking said courses. All in all your points mostly agree with mine :) so thanks for a great vid! The value of my exchange year to China definitively lied in the adventure of it and the chance to learn/improve my mandarin. Stay awesome!
I also aggree for the most part. I did a full Master's degree in Taiwan in engineering. As I studied at one of the most popular universities there, the motivation of the students was high and most of them did a lot of lab work. While I think the courses were quite good, several of them were easy to pass as professor give students the chance to improve their marks. So yes, I think it's possible to graduate eventually without investing much work (especially when visiting one of the countless less prestigious universities). And compared to Taiwans junior- and senior high school, university is a piece of cake.
@@Kopptopus because in asia its who u know anyway, high marks ? Contacs secure jobs more
Do you know anything about University of Michigan - Shanghai Jiaotong Joint Institute? Is it any better than the regular SJTU?
A friend of mine actually completed a year abroad at the University of Beijing just now, studying international business studies or some such. One of his stories included a group presentation with an assigned group: 3 Europeans (including him), 1 Kazakh and 2 Chinese.
So they left the assignment somewhat last minute (they started like 2 weeks prior to the deadline) and got together in a room to plan their assignment out. The Kazakh was off on an internship somewhere else, so it was just the Europeans and the Chinese. The Chinese brought no ideas forth and seemed rather clueless (just nodding whenever spoken to), so my friend pulled out all the stops, showed graphs, analyses and all that and made a detailed suggestion for how to divide the project up.
The Chinese just kept nodding, so he asked if they had something to add, they just kept nodding. As it turned out, any English skills they may have had were so woefully inadequate that they may as well have no English skills. Luckily one of the other Europeans had some Chinese language skills, so he was able to bring my friend's point across. They agreed to the plan and that seemed to be that.
Only that the Chinese just dropped of the radar. They didn't appear to any other meetings, they didn't reply to messages, nothing. So two days prior to the presentation, the Europeans had another meeting to bring their points together, just for a complete Chinese stranger to walk in and identify herself as the assistant of one of the students, saying she was supposed to help create and hold a presentation in the place of one of the Chinese students. They sent her home and pushed another message out, telling the person who sent their assistant that she needed to appear herself and that her assistant wouldn't do. She didn't reply. Rather the other Chinese replied, saying if that's the case, then he is out.
Like, what the hell? Your assistant didn't even show.
They got together with the Professor and basically cut the Chinese and the Kazakh out of the group. On the day of the presentation, the assistant appeared again, in another attempt to take over the spot for the student and was turned away again.
If you sticked with me thus far, then let me ask you this: What the hell? Pushing through such lazy brats only works to undermine the reputation of the university, all its students and the entire Chinese Higher Education system (they mayy have been diligent during their high school years, but then and there they are lazy).
Thanks for the memories guys. i lived in Taipei for a few years back in the 80's and loved to ride my 125cc Kawasaki up into the mountains.
I personally failed college. The whole experience was a waste of my time. The professors did not understand what they were teaching. They would spend half of the class sharing their personal experiences. One professor had to teach the class signal and system in Mandarin when it is supposed to be taught in English. The professor lied that she watched the entire course series offered by mitopencourseware and read the entire book when she could barely speak English.
One of the things I was most surprised by when I met chinese studying in American universities was how the hell they pass. I read a couple of their essays for peer review and it was incomprehensible English and demonstrated little knowledge. Cheating was rampant as well. They would routinely stay up all night working really hard so I wasn’t mad at it , but I feel like it’s kind of a hustle in the US too. They pay 3-4 times as much for tuition as I do as an in state student, so I feel like that’s gotta be part of it. I will say to be clear that it’s wildly hard for them, most of them even as juniors or seniors in undergrad (having done all of their college in the US) still don’t speak English very well. It seems kind of bizarre to me. Like we need to increase the standards for English first. Some of them are very knowledgeable even if they cheat and have poor English, some not so much, and the grades don’t seem to reflect that. I highly respect the difficulty they go through but I would be extremely wary of hiring a recent chinese college grad from most US or Chinese colleges. I’d be moderately wary of hiring almost any recent college grads
6:24 Hey guys, update your biases: Baltic nations (Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia) took their freedom seriously and replaced Russian with English as a second language. English is being taught at some schools even since the first grade.
Taught at a private university in Indonesia. The worst student spent most of each class outside smoking and chatting on his phone. He'd pop his head in the door to say "bye" when he was leaving towards the end of the lecture/session. I gave him an "F". That's an outright fail with no redo possible the next semester. A couple of others I gave "D"s. That entitled them to retake next semester with credit for some satisfactory work done. But they were obviously lazy too. Some others got a basic pass "C". A couple got "A"s which meant they qualified to entry to a course offered by a handful of American universities. The rest got "B"s - solid satisfactory completion and an invitation to apply to said American universities but without my "stamp of approval" of an "A".
Sound okay? After two semesters of this I lost my job. I refused to bend the knee so to speak when hauled before a senior administrator. I was told that the money from the families of these students was important. I was informed of the family background of several of my failed students. I was basically ordered to adjust my marks up to "A"s for the majority. I refused.
I’ve been very lucky to get quite a unique experience of university in China. I studied at Xi’an Jiaotong University and joined their rowing team, just as the Chinese government was putting an emphasis on team sports. They pumped money into the sport with new boats, oars, ERGs and winter/summer intensive training periods that had all accommodation and food paid for. As a result, what started as a 6 month Chinese course, turned into a one year Chinese course, followed by an MBA, all paid for on a Confucius Scholarship that I was basically gifted on behalf of the rowing team. My Chinese bearly improved during the classes as I was also having to teach on the side, so keeping up with the classes and training was tough. But, after three years with the team there weren’t many everyday convos I couldn’t participate in. In fact, my Chinese teachers were surprised to see me turn up in the university Chinese language competition at the end of my Masters and beat the majority of the foreign Chinese language majors, getting 2nd place out of 32 entrants. I agree there is no incentive for Chinese universities to fail students, a few foreign students on my course almost managed to fail because the university was so desperate to take foreign students that it even took people that could bearly speak English on a course taught using English as its medium. For me personally it was the best time of my life and whilst I agree Chinese is one of the most valuable degrees you can get from China as foreigner, I was lucky that the culmination of these experiences made me stand out in the job market, which was a very different reality when I left the UK having just graduated my BA. (btw there’s evidence of everything I’ve mentioned in my videos, not that I consider myself to be a CZcamsr or anything). Thanks for sharing, guys!
People from Baltics usually know 2-3 languages including English... A little update guys to your knowledge
Super nice scenery. I watched this video on a 4K monitor. Great job producing 4K content. Thumbs Up
I work at a private High School, and it's the same. Most of the students don't work, and the school won't fail anyone, even if the students refuse to take exams.
Love you guys
Japan has a similar system, where high school, and college admissions are incredibly tough, but college/university is really easy. During the Vietnam War, many US colleges and universities would never fail their students, giving out "gentlemen's C's". If you flunked out of college, you lost your deferment and there was a good chance you would be drafted and sent to fight in Vietnam. This is the explanation for how Trump graduated from UPenn.
President Trump received 5 deferments during the Vietnam War; 4 while working towards his undergraduate degree at Fordham University and when he transferred to the University of Pennsylvania, and 1 after college graduation, claiming to have heal spurs (calcium deposits on the heal bones, creating great pain while walking) on each foot. He later said the deposits resolved on their own after the war, and then the mandatory draft, ended.
Seriously doupt anyone wanted to be drafted and america was not even for the war so i do not even care to blame him about that. If they really wanted him they would have just got his medical records
@@probablynot1368 Except Trump couldn't even remember which foot had the problem. As someone with Plantar Fasciitis, I don't think I'll ever forget which foot has the condition.
I spent $200,000 to study liberal arts in a top university in china. I have a degree in b00ger picking. You can also take masteral and choose among the two degrees offered, either left handed or right handed b00ger picking
Sounds a heck of a lot easier than my old University life; tough assignments, swatting for exams, stressing out waiting for the examiners to call you in, lacking sleep to finish work by the deadline. So I was forced to know something of the subjects I studied. Hmm, I could study Chinese in China (except they would never allow me there now probably, being a rebel against INGSOC), because I could apparently get away with getting a degree in Chinese without knowing a written word of it. Cheers :-)
What's up with all the cables at the side of the road?
I would like to know as well. Kinda have me curious
Probably power or phone lines.
Well, if we are making WAGs here, I'll guess black polyethylene water lines.
It's usually powerlines and/or telephone lines. I live in Taipei so I don't usually see them laid out like that, but as you get into some of the harder to reach places with people, infrastructure is harder to set up.
A lot of them are actually water pipes. Sometimes the government isn’t able to provide some of the areas that aren’t easily accessible with water, so the locals set them up themselves.
At Nanjing University they did not help at the tests. If you fail, you fail, period.
@anythingnew I don't know them, but probably yeah 😄
B*ll-shit. I KNOW a Chinese professor teaching there,
@@kennmossman8701 I can only tell my personal experience.
@@TrangDB9 And me from mine.... I worked as a teacher in China for TEN years in four cities for several different schools/colleges. Had/have many good friends/contacts who are teachers/professors/educators.
My lover was a Chinese History professor at Nanjing (at the new campus). Besides which I lived exactly opposite the Nanjing campus for five years and talked (or tried) to students there, and was on the campus many times.
@@kennmossman8701 so you know the talking 2 bar? It's a classic bar for foreigners to meet. 😄
Anyway, I'm not saying that you're wrong... Apparently I just had uncorrupted teachers. Besides, I did a none degree study of Mandarin, paid by myself and done for personal interests, so it's pointless to bribe anyway.
I believe these guys are telling the truth based on their observation. I think the observations of laowhy86 etc. are based on low-class Chinese life, also the observation of their Universities (inner Mongolian universities etc.) are Chinese "community colleges".
Winston etc., I believe your credits, but please do not claim your conclusions to WHOLE China. You'll mislead these people wanna know China better. And I graduated from a Chinese University, and I am working in a world ranking top-10 university in US, I know what you are telling is not the truth for the Colleges in China, at least it is not truth for the University I graduated from.
I know youtube videos are not the publications, you don't need to do serious investigations or have references , BUT at least try to be objective, you may claim the credits for these colleges you experienced, but not for all Colleges in China.
I have friends, a couple, and both are PhDs and they have an adopted daughter from Chinese. The wife was offered a position to teach Advanced Mathematics while on her sabbatical in Beijing for a year. They decided to do it as it would give their daughter an opportunity to see her birth country. The first day of class, the student told her they did not need to learn Math from her and she should teach them English. She said I have a PHd in Mathematics and I am not an English teacher. Long story short, after 6 months, they returned to the US.
It's not entirely impossible to fail college in China! :o I just failed my chinese exams for the semester! /rip
Another great video, you are convincing me to go to Taiwan!!!!
I have taught all levels in China over the course of a decade and cheating is just standard operating procedure. I don't know how it started but I see the causes. Some students are just stupid and some people are just evil, but these 2 truths are not allowed in China. If you little crumb cruncher in grade 2 is an idiot that should fail and repeat a grade, this will not happen.
Parents says my child is the same as all the other children, you are just a bad teacher, it's not my child. Teacher not wanting to lose face and status passes the child, some teachers to look good for promotions never score any student below an 80 score out of 100. The teacher that stands up to the system, ( the nail above the floor gets the hammer), gets chewed out by a boss and just says "screw it", and just passed the kids. Every teacher hears about the troublemaker and does not want the same problem, pass them along.
The same thing happens with criminals here, nobody is evil, he or she was temporarily crazy when they committed a crime, it was not their fault, admit you were crazy and get a sentence reduced by 50 percent because my kid is not evil, no such thing as a bad person.
Cheating is so bad I give them a test and a pencil and don't allow anything brought into a classroom they normally don't use. I have to make 4 different exams because of the copying.
I have had to actually fail everyone and give oral exams before because of cheating.
I once gave an open book exam for hotel and tourism English with answers highlighted and explained for a week and the highest score achieved in a 2nd year college course was 65 out of 100. I once actually threw a students phone out the window of the fourth floor because he thought it would be fine to call his gf from another class for some answers during the exam.
Echoes my experience.........."I once gave an open book exam for hotel and tourism English with answers highlighted and explained for a week and the highest score achieved in a 2nd year college course was 65 out of 100. I once actually threw a students phone out the window of the fourth floor because he thought it would be fine to call his gf from another class for some answers during the exam."
This has to be Taiwan, too clean, drivers aren’t sucking...I love Taiwan, much rather study Chinese in Taiwan!
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there shouldn't be any trees at 4000 meters
I didn't believe it either and blamed it on the fact that C-milk grew up in this weird, non-metric country. However, the tree line on Taiwan appears to be at 3600m according to wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_line
I've checked and the highest point in Taiwan is 3952, so they are definetely not at 4000 meters in this vid :)@@uwezimmermann5427
Busted, Professor Milk!! xD
So he rounded up slightly 😂
was probablyh 4000 feet.
Hey you guys, I have a quad and it’s fantastic! I *think* it’s Chinese, it’s a CMoto Quadzilla 800 and I have so much fun on it. I’m disabled and haven’t been able to ride a bike for several years. I did have a 50cc Yamaha scooter for fun but I came off it as I wasn’t used to having a single gear and no clutch. So for my birthday 3 years ago, my husband surprised me with ‘Zilla’ brand new, shiny and super fun, road legal with lights etc. I also have cars but what I like about the Quad is being able to ride out with no helmet. On a bike I prefer to be off-road a good s it means I don’t have to wear a lid. I’m summer time it is such a head turner and my hubby and I get held up when popping to the shop. I hope vb weeweewe r re eereerèe rerreree rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr tryet girlfriend Tesco
High school was so chill, I never studied. Undergrad was not so bad, but I definitely had to study. Masters program was flat out traumatizing, and my doctorate program I studied the most, though I still had a life and it wasn’t that bad.
I failed my college...in Tongji Universtiy in Shanghai. Haha. But I become an storyboard artist finnally. Thanks for my failure.
Absolutely true. University is largely a joke in China - my students would look puzzled when I asked if they would study hard at uni. They said, "NO teacher!". It is party time, shopping time, play time - a 4 year holiday". Just go to any campus in China - you will NOT see anyone actually studying. Even my ex-lover - a Chinese professor at Nanjing University said the same thing; students don't come to class, or if they do; they sleep, or play on their phone, or doodle - anything but study. Yet they ALL pass.
I studied one semester at SWUPL in Chongqing (exchange program for Masters in Business and Economic Law). We had one chinese teacher that had taught in Australia before. She was just as professional and expected the same from us as my professors in Germany did. She was a real deal! But other teachers were very basic and the foreign students could do anything and still pass... so there are chinese teachers in university that take science and teaching seriously too.
Besides being one of 20 foreign students on a 20.000 students campus was a hell of a time :D
I would have liked to see more of those vistas that C-Milk was so excited about. WOW what a cool place.
I have my doubts regarding Chinese universities - when the majority of upper middle class Chinese parents YEET their children off to the US and Europe to study. I mean, it makes me feel like they prefer our universities if given the option.
YES WE YEET YOUR ASS
To get into good university in China, or even get in the university hard in China. The university only rely on your examination score for the fairness. That lots of rich parents send their kids abroad, because those universities also look at other facets of the students.
Why did the farmer win a Nobel Peace prize? Because he was out standing in his field!
Cool format! I lived in Shanghai, Jinhua and Ningbo between 08 and 12 working as an automotive consultant. Speaking of the lack of creativity, at one point I asked the top guy why I never saw him out on the engineering floor, and his reply was, "the last time I went out there I told them that we were going to build a car like the Toyota Camry. When I reviewed what they were doing 6 months later, they had copied it line for line. That's why I brought you here." I asked the Chief Engineer what kind of car she owned and she told me that she didn't own one. When I asked her if she had a drivers license, she told me that she used to but gave it up when she became pregnant. I asked her how many of the 25 or so engineers had drivers licenses and she told me that none did. After reviewing their interior package models, I figured I should take them all to the nearest Volvo dealer in Shanghai. I set up the trip and when we all arrived, the Chief and the dealer manager seemed to get in a big argument. Needless to say, they all got to sit in Volvo's and experience what good ergonomics was all about. Afterwards, I asked her what the argument was all about and she told me that the manager didnt want any of them to sit in them because none would ever be able to buy one.
I enjoyed walking around when I stayed over there. I saw some amazing architecture and since I tended to live away from the "western" areas, got to have one hell of an experience. Bijo enters into it but the rest is foggy in some instances. At one point I spent a couple of weeks traveling around the province in a 2012 C6.3 AMG with no limiter. They liked Jimi and claimed to never have heard of him before they heard "Machine Gun" at 180 mph. Loud. I didn't take the time to learn much Mandarin because I usually had a translator and car design is sort of a universal language. I have some funny stories about the fake western toilet that we had in a closet at the engineering office and "new" visitors......
It's true. I personally know a Chinese lady who has a very long list of college degrees in business. And I mean massive college degrees. But they are of no value in the US. She is 60 years old now and works at Walmart stocking shelves. She did try in the US to use her Chinese college degrees bit it was very evident she know nothing about anything of the business fields. And the company who hired her told her to leave.
Winston seems so much more positive lately
Also his new documentary is awesome
Good thing I wanted to Study MBBS Medicine in Beijing but I heard a youtuber explain the english version is watered down and unless you learn in the chinese language at the top universities like Pekin or Fundan forget about it! :) I am planing on Spain now or Argentina.
hey there, im in the same boat and was wondering if your view on this has changed two years after you posted the comment
This is true! I am a senior doing Computer Science in China and my University doesn’t care about our (foreigners) education quality. All they care about is making as much money as possible off us, then proceed to take away most of the things they are supposed to be teaching us as well as resources and give them to the Chinese students instead. If I knew this before I enrolled, I would have never come here.
I don’t mind having bad lecturers who are lazy, but at least give us the classes that are on the study plan so that we teach ourselves at the very least. We are used to it anyway. The only few good classes I had where the lecturers took their jobs seriously were; computer organization, operating systems, data structures, database design and implementation, networking, systems analysis, and Enterprise Resource Planning systems. The rest were really awful and I was so disappointed. It was still better than having those courses taken away though because as awful as it was, we taught ourselves using online resources. What I hated the most is them not giving us every course as outlined and not giving us lab access to work on embedded systems and micro controllers, etc.
I worked at a university in Shanghai for a while, as a visiting English teacher. I wasn't allowed to fail anyone - even if they didn't turn up for 99% of the classes.
You can actually work in some cities in china as a student through city programs. They're a bit hard to find, but the city can sponsor you for some specialized jobs. Some people I know worked as promoters, HR interns, and tech interns. I took chinese and business classes and worked for a couple months
I'm an American w/ a Japanese visa until 2023. can I get a Chinese degree too?
I am studying international business in China, and I am studying my major in English. Most of the books we use are from the USA or England. most of universities allow foreign students to do a part-time job, they get a temporary work permit. But I don't have that permits and I pay the university. I am running out of money. I hope to graduate soon. The experience is ok. People are respectful in China.
I do think there's some exceptions to this. While I would never do a Bachelor's degree in China, I was looking into getting a finance Master's from Fudan, and most people that studied there said it was worth while. There's a heavy emphasis on subjects that border the Chinese economy and urban development, and at the end of the day for a lot of subjects your Master's is nothing more than a piece of paper.
"Chinese" degrees in America actually have more weight than one from China, simply because what you learn about China, its language, and history isn't censored and controlled by the Chinese government. Moreover, many of the premier experts and authorities on Chinese linguistics are from the West.
They talking the languages instead of history
Ähem... A friend of mine in mainland China failed at the college and then his parents made him to change to college so he could suceed in the end.
Those mountain roads in Taiwan, they remind me of Colombia! I noticed that also, with a carburetor in a gutless Renault on the rare overtaking opportunities at altitude. It can be dangerous when you suddenly realize you have no acceleration to get past! And the cyclists here are a phenomenon!
Beautiful scenery, love the riding through those clouds!
Are you guys riding in taiwan? Looks like your heading to Taroko National Park. Just them roads look so familiar when I was riding through Taiwan. I could be wrong...
I watch ADV CHINA and Serpenza regularly . I KNOW ONE THING; I sure wish I had all information about Chinese culture and knowledge I have now after a failed marriage with a Chinese Woman who’s only agenda was to marry a Western man, drain their assets as a marital spouse then leave; irregardless of the harmonious relationship you were enjoying until the day the permanent residency status date arrived and passed.
I included her in every detail of property ownership, banking, business. She had every legal right to sell off everything close the business and close all banking and leave. The law; there are no laws protecting the man.
The police said. “You got what you paid for.” That’s it. A damn insult.
Where are the ISIS rebels when you need one? Lol
Really sorry to hear that man :( I have heard worse stories out there, even for Chinese men. So know that you are not alone. I think their values are very different and I'm not trying to excuse such bad characters but overall I think most Chinese people have bad values because they were never taught good values growing up. If you were able to walk away from a marriage consider yourself lucky. I hate to say this but I'm quite sure Winston will end up divorcing his doctor wife eventually. Most interracial marriages fail.
My Chinese ex girlfriend told me since she was training to become a national sportswoman professional in swimming, she didn't even need a high school degree or to pass an entrance exam to go to study English as major in a college.
Glad you enjoy mountains in Taiwan that much
As a German... this sounds like in the US, Canada, UK, or Australia then. Getting a university degree is ridiculously easy in those countries. The hardest part is getting in, afterwards it's practically impossible to fail (except you are literally mentally deficient or don't do any work). Studying at Wharton for a year was the easiest part of my entire education, straight As without much effort. Completely different story in Germany. lol
That's interesting actually. In a way I wonder if it has something to do with the cost of education, because in all of these countries (China, US, Canada, UK, Australia) education is rather expensive, while in Europe it's free or almost free for people from EU/developed countries (but not for oursiders most of the time).
At my university in the U.S, more than half the incoming freshman fail out before reaching degrees. It is definitely not easy or guaranteed.
I agree. I went to a top 10 uni in the US. Anything outside STEM courses are a complete joke. Wharton kids take a bunch of BS courses like industrial organization and entrepreneurship that even high schoolers can pass
It really depends on the major you're going for.
STEM is usually tough (WE CLAPPED YOUR ASS IN FSAE LAST YEAR, but you'll beat us again, as always)
But if you're going for some liberal arts major, it's just about doing your work and you'll get your degree.
I have consistently heard this. Very high quality of European tertiary education. Is it any wonder that Germany is an economic powerhouse?
In Australia over the past 10 years I have seen a dramatic slide in the quality of education... or perhaps more a slide in the expectations of students. People DO fail here (and I am in the biological sciences) but they fail later. That is to say that the entrance bar has been set lower across many fields and I strongly believe this is just because more students = more money. But really, the quality of students coming out of the final year of the degree is such a mixed bag, with many not knowing seemingly anything, and the other 1/5 being excellent.
There isn't much incentive to work hard or excel because there's so much uncertainty about being able to get a job, yet so much certainty that 'she'll be right' and you don't have to worry. And to be fair, just about everyone I grew up with has done pretty well for themselves, and even those who haven't done so well still seem to have a roof over their heads and weed in their bongs.
You can verify your university degree in Beijing, for using it abroad. Also you a not really qualified of talking about it, since non of you have Chinese uni degree. I think for topics like this, better to have a guests, who had experienced it first hand. Also calling people morons is quite something... yeah.
At first I thought these two are interesting and informative, now I find that they’re really uneducated “foreign trash” and keep becoming more biased. Btw, a science bachelor degree of Tsinghua might be 10 times harder to get than a bachelor degree of Stanford or MIT
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Fantastic video, gentlemen!! Definitely my favorite of your recent topics, and it was interesting to hear about from both the university professor and university student perspective.
Interesting take on Chinese Universities. You should do a video about returning Chinese students that have left China to attend Western Universities and returned to China.
No, I disagree. I studied Chinese at a chinese university and then I switched to Mandarin Blueprint, a company started by foreign Sichuan University graduates. Take a guess which one taught me more. Sure, go to China and spend a year learning Chinese at a uni, but you won't make actual progress learning under the chinese education system.
As someone who knows nothing about Chinese, just curious, why? What is it about the Chinese education system? Also I didn't quite get where the Mandarin Blueprint thing was located.
@@valeriavagapova Eh, now this looks like I'm trying to advertise for them. Not my intention.
@@valeriavagapova The Chinese education system is very much focused on exams, grammar and repetition. Painfully slow to learn and very inefficient, especially if you take into account all the new techniques that have been developed in the last 50 years. Mandarin Blueprint (they're on facebook and youtube) is a course started by two guys who went through doing a degree in chinese and got sick of it. In the process researched a bunch a different techniques for memorisation and came up with their own approach. It's genuinely very good.
@@jellyandme I only asked in order to understand which two education systems you were comparing - one was Chinese and what was the other one. Just to get a point of reference.
@@jellyandme Interesting, thanks! Honestly it's surprising because I would expect it to be a lot easier to learn Chinese in China compared to online, especially considering that living in China also means being immersed into the Chinese-speaking society and having to use it daily. Interesting.
In South Korea, it is IMPOSSIBLE to fail in college as long as you do what professor told you to do. Also it is IMPOSSIBLE to get high paying and stable job immediately after graduating college. Youth unemployment rate is rising in South Korea right now.
The US is having this odd problem as well. More US people are having problems finding jobs after college as well. Then after that more people are not working minimum wage jobs because they dont earn enough so now staffing problems also exist its stuuuuuupid.
Sometimes it can be tough to be an English teacher. Homer Simpson once said: " English? Who needs that? I'm never going to England."