Kurt Cobain 3d model crime scene greenhouse Seattle april 1994 dead body (update 03-04-2011)
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- I used google sketchup 7 to create this 3d model.
It's based on original photos and video material from the greenhouse on april 8th 1994.
private investigator Tom Grant said in november 2008 about the stool:
"I'm the one who took the photos of that stool in the greenhouse that most have seen on the internet. It had an extra leg built onto is which protruded out from the side. It was a gag stool. That's why Kurt bought it."
For more information about the case please visit www.cobaincase.com/ Thank you!
the saddest part is the family who lives there now has a swing set on the very spot where the "greenhouse" / apartment was I sadly watched the kids playing on it back in 2006 as the parents gave me a shitty look as we looked over the back fence how disrespectful to even sell the house in the firstplace
God forbid they turn that nightmare of a place into something positive where creeps that get a hard on for death scenes dont wanna hang around
this family is fed up with this i think. The house is for sale.
@@jebstuart4004 I like how this person seems to think they are the hard done by one because they got a dirty look when they were the ones trespassing, creeping around and looking onto another person's property and at their kids because a stranger once committed suicide on the property.
@@Danathemathey had to of realized that would happen. It’s not like they didn’t realize who had owned the house prior or what happened there. That would be like moving into Graceland and expecting fans not to show up at the gate
This is fantastic! I love how my first drawn sketch way back in 2000 to a friend of mine on one of the first Kurt Cobain message boards has come to this point :) Kudos!
The 3D image is only slightly wrong. Kurts head was laying to the left which allowed for the blood to flow out of the left ear and pool on the floor. This shows his head leaning to the right. Sorry just pointint it out.
How do you know it was pouring out his left ear?
@@loganmcfar530 Gravity, when someone lays to the left, the bodies fluids will pool or flow to the left.
20ga shotgun would've laid the head wide open like a split melon, the fact there isn't "splatter" across the floor and on a portion of the back wall should've raised eyebrows.
@@patrioticconstitutionalist735 was already dead from huge heroin overdose when shot thats why it didn't make a mess of his head no blood pressure from beating heart = no blood splatter plus the shotgun was set up for light load bird shot. Kurt bought it for protection from burglars but if discharged in the house the light load would not penetrate the walls.
@@ste6298 Some of what you say holds weight, but regardless of blood flow there is still plenty of blood and brain matter it would've made a mess. And yes if a 410 low brass bird shot will penetrate a wall, a 20 ga. will too the pressure from that round at the point of exiting the muzzle would've been enough to make one helluva mess best believe that, just take a look at the dude that got his arm damn near taken off while trying to shoot that Kyle Rittenhouse, that round never touched his arm that was from the pressure exiting the muzzle. Kurt would've had to been dead over 24 hours for all the blood to clot and not make a mess, may ask how I know well I been a butcher for 17 years now on the kill floor, also an avid hunter and gun enthusiast my entire life hell the shotgun I learned to hunt with wasn't any different from the Rem. Model 11 kurt had, the gun I grew up shooting was a Browning A-5 with a poly choke but was a 12 gauge. But regardless once those investigators walked in and seen the layout should've sparked a full blown investigation, why it wasn't fully investigated should be a question everybody should be asking the Seattle police department.
@6aokan The stool is located in front of the french doors which leads to a balcony. This door was not the entrance to the room.
Hello! this is much better than other one!. Many things mysterious things on that scene
All I have to say is that the truth is definitely spooky. It's , like, in our face. This was a murder!!! Troll on me all you want naysayers....but...it is what it is...
Heidi C. Franks i hv done so much research on kurt cobain's death. i agree with you tht high profile cases should not be handled in this manner. but i go 1 better than tht, the SPD should investigate his body regardless who he is. doesnt matter. i also learned but im not sure if this is true, kurt cobain left leg down his knee is broken by the time his body is found. very interesting.
We need justice for Kurt.
Right, no prints on the gun is what got me on this one tht something wasn’t right about this so called suicide among other things
100%
@@jennifercleland4852 I’ve done a lot of research and I’m 100% sure all those theories are debunked
He was right handed, he just played guitar left handed.
idiot
@@KenMabie even 8 years ago, I was right and still am.
@@schnozberries98 no you are an idiot and wrong 8 years ago and today .. Kurt was left handed in everything he did .. his writing is in backscrawl something only left handed people do when writing ..
idiot
@@KenMabie No, he was right handed. He only played guitar left handed. Look it up, lol.
@@schnozberries98 it's in the book "Come as you are" he was left handed was forced to learn to be right hand and thus became ambidextrous maybe you should look it up...
Thanks for this. Wasn't there anywhere to sit in the room?
I'm not sure why the police don't release actual pictures instead of just weird pictures of his hands and shoes
Because it’ll show it wasn’t suicide
The main problem is that there are opioid receptors in your brainstem which controls your heart rate and your breathing. The higher you get the lower your heart rate and the shallower your breathing gets. If you just have slightly too much it can take hours until you die, if you die at all. If you get a monster dosage like Kurt then it's game over before you even know it. It's over so quickly that you don't even get to pull out the needle from your arm, leave alone pick up a gun!
Interesting facts,[about there being a point where tolerance stops]you definitely know your stuff pacovl46!
@negativecreep1993: I just wondered if there were any chairs or a seating area, such as a bench by the wall.
There was supposedly stools in there
The one up against the door. Looks look it has a box of something on top of it
Please explain to me what may have happened to have caused the recoil of the shotgun to NOT be so subtle and not jolted so far away from his body just as ANY OTHER shotgun would with just the pull or push of a trigger WITHOUT anything to secure the butt stock in a tight position.
I've never known a fire arm, especially a shotgun to lack re-coil
while he was on enough heroin to kill 3 everyday users.
The type of gun used has a weaker recoil that guns of a different gauge and the butt stock was likely wedged between his feet. It did recoil as it jumped and flipped but it would be nowhere near enough to send it flying across the room like some theorists think. If he was standing up when he fired, that would be different. But he wasn't.
It would have
Ok, so what's more than just fingers around the gun? As far as I'm concerned all muscles relax if you shoot yourself in the head because the brain seizes to function and therefore loses its control over the muscles and tendons. A link on the matter that supports what you just wrote would be greatly appreciated. I googled it and found nothing so far that even mentions your statement!
I found this to be somewhat interesting to look at but I have a couple of questions. 1) The note that you have marked laying on the counter is mising something. It was officially stated that the note he wrote out before his tragic end was found lying on top of a small potted plant. The pen he used was stabbed thru the note itself into the dirt of the potted plant. Whereabout on the note whether it was a corner, near the middle etc, I don't know or least remember anyway but that was a fact stated
He was murdered, bro
He dumped the soil out of the pot to lay it flat on there
User-pl..... Suicide is REAL!!!
What he was going through at the time! The isolation from everyone he was close to... the pressures.
I've been where he was wanting to LEAVE FOREVER and tried a few times!
Just like the OD's I've been through!
I was VERY VERY lucky!! to still be here!
Going though those things! You KNO how it gets to that and what runs through ur head to get to that point!
And with the OD's... you see that you have an amount of time before it's too much and you nod till you don't wake from the nod....
That's hope people kno ITS SERIOUS from just the normal use time
Was that stool on the balcony side of the room or the stair side?
on the balcony side
Not necessarily! If he was sitting upright and had the gun against the floor it probably wouldn't have gone anywhere, especially because the ammo he was using was the light gauge, non-wall-penetrating home protection shells.
But the spent shotgun shell was on the wrong side of his body..
Too soon
@wastelandsoldier1 Yes, of course.
What are you trying to imply?
One more mind fuck for you: If Kurt shot himself/was shot while lying on the floor the gun was basically already lying on him and therefore couldn't fall anywhere else but on himself. In any case there should've been at least partial fingerprints on the gun, but there weren't any. So where did they go? Did they just miraculously vanish into thin air? I don't think so. Someone other than Kurt handled the gun and wiped it down!
There were fingerprints on the shotgun they just weren't eligible, still doesn't change the fact that everything about it is sketchy, after seeing Soaked in Bleach and doing more reading on it, I definitely believe he was murdered
Don’t you guys think it’s weird that as empty & barren as that room was, that the disposable camera they found in it… wasn’t developed for like .. what.. 20 years?
Yes this is a very
Damning thing.
And they still didn’t show us all the photos from that film. The photos of Kurt’s head , which would definitely spark some questions into the
Murder
what about the heroin box and needle?
the earth belongs to the living.
i totally agree with you man...she did that indirectly...
But i thought fox news said, that the room had no furniture in it???
@judyleasugar97 What you mean my friend?
As I said before, countless people have been found with the gun still in their hands. That does neither prove that it was a murder nor does it prove that it was a suicide. Where the gun ends up in the case of a suicide all depends on the position you're in when you shoot yourself and how far it is to the ground. That's what I meant before with you contradicting yourself constantly! Maybe you'll understand it this time.
@dueliman Thank you!
:(
no just no
good work mate. i sent a msg your inbox.
no she didn't
If the muscles Relax then the shutgun would have fallen and not stay grabbed to is hands and fingers.This is common sense.A human could not involve is hands and fingers to look like he had kll himself.Also the muscles,bones,fingers and hand position in the gun could not be "manipulated" by other person.Is not possible in any way.This is the prove that he did not kill himself.Is not even possible by hypnosis.There is no way!I dont know any link and i will not search it for you.Do your home work.
and the new owners have thier kids swing set on the very spot where the greenhouse was sad that they really dont even undrstand how important this house is to fans ....the snobby ass people in medina /madrona dont want the fame of being kurts neigborhood and will run fans off if you hang out to long ....courtney herself asked us to leave (nicely) when we were looking in the front gate ( 96) he only lived there for 3 months before death but its still all fans have to look at in seattle
I did not understend you first point " of all,numerous people who shot themselves were found with the gun still in their hands!"...SO What???He was not incapacitated from the valium since he has few seconds to grab the shotgun and shoot before staying unconscious.I did not write about any theory i just write about facts.On the contrary Kurt hands where grabing the gun and this is the prove that he kill himself.Are you trying to use the old Jedi Trick on mw now?LMAO
Hopefully NOW OR ON JUDGEMENT DAY,OOPS
Nah, I wouldn't put it that way, parts of it are very true. But I think he had bad luck. It just happened too much in a short time. Got to know Courtney -> regular heroin use -> Courtney pregnant -> heroin habit -> marriage -> habit made public and so on...and realizing courtney was not that kind of wife he wanted and the bad image of him that was created by the media put him down
Facts backs what i say....If the muscle relax after a shoot then the gun would fall and not grabbed in is hands and fingers.Also if a finger trigger the gun you have all the position of the hand and fingers in the right place something other human would not be able to do and the muscles and bones are contracted.No human can do this to other human.My source is Human Anatomy goo buy a Book and start reading.
How come the experts who investigated the case miss that???You are a genious LMAO
I think it was murder Castaway 2 gone was misfires chess there's no way someone send that room with him I thought that gun there's no way he could have done it good night my heart heroin in him but that probably will kill him first I think how I shot the gun on
Kurts too small compared to his surroundings
He was never a particularly tall guy
@negativecreep1993 a chair for example?that's what he means
I totally believe he did it himself,there IS NO standard lethal dose of heroin for someone with a tolerance.A dose that could kill 6 people without a tolerance[most of us]could,and I stress "could'possibly,not even stop,the withdrawal's of a person with a very high"tolerance"[Kurt's was said to be $500 a day of very high quality=a huge/large tolerance],OR only get them high,IT ALL DEPENDS on the TOLERANCE;Medical fact.
I can see you never study Human Anatomy back to classes please.If you wrap your fingers around the gun that is what will be fingers around the gun sure a murder can do it.But when you actually trigger the gun there is more then simple "fingers around the gun".Studying Human Anatomy will clear your mind about the subject.
Of course it was due to rigor mortis that is the point.It was the hands and fingers this is a prove that he trigger the shotgun and nobody else.But keep fedding the conspiracy theories if it makes you happy the Conspiracy Industry appreciates.