Selecting A Bathtub - 3rd Time's A Charm?
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I love how if there is something that has a piece broken, it’s almost a universal desire to hold that broken piece back in the hole it came from.
that plumber should have his own channel. he shoots right from the hip. i love it
I thought attorneys were the only ones who think they need to bill every hour??
I feel like we've been robbed of some amazing B roll footage of fixtures in the shop, Nate 🤔
most definitely lol
Having worked at the trade of plumbing for 55 years I can tell you that a schooled and properly trained plumber does not need the tub in place or even on the job site to rough in the drain or water lines. All one needs is a rough in book , put out by the manufactures with all the dimensions of the fixture . If he can't do it without the fixture , he's not a plumber , he's a handyman . 55 year retired plumber👷🏻
Yes and the handyman plumber charges way more than he should. I was givena quote of $300 to remove a kitchen faucet and install the new one I bought with the same hole usage as the old one etc. That seemed high unless he was going to be there all day long.
@@Garth2011 Faucets are easy. DYI
@@YSLRD They are however, I wanted a labor price for kicks as I'm not as flexible as I used to be. I was surprised so it got done by me regardless.
Half way through my day here in Ireland....... perfect time for some wise words from EC during lunch break........
@T.H. HoughtonHello to all in the beautiful County Clare from a cold and windy County Derry .......
Hello from Wales 👍🏻😎🏴 (stay safe, what a shitshow!)
@@ljones396 you're not kidding....... you couldn't make it up........ stay safe guys
Dublin here
Dublin here too.
From someone who does 5-6 full remodels a month, this is a very frequent problem. Always open the box at the store. Ceiling fan globes are another one.
Smart idea
100% agreed 👍🏼
Thanks for the tip, we didn't check on a toilet seat, of course it was missing all the hardware when we checked and the store had a no returns policy. Made do with the old hardware, but not nice dealing with that at all.
Wow, EC is at 815k subscribers. I hadn’t looked in a while. If anyone deserves to hit that million mark, it’s you guys. So tell your buddies, everybody.
Gosh darn it, Phil's a hoot!
I have American Standard fixtures in my house from when it was remodeled in the 1960's they still perform today.
Thank you for sharing your wisdom, my brother!
I just installed one of those tubs... Good advice Mr. EC!!!
Had to watch it twice, but someone had previously tried to install that tub and sent a screw through that corner. Packed it up and brought it back to Lowe’s.
3:47
@@denisrhodes54 Totally agree, and the problem with the big-box-stores is that they accept returned items, some damaged or missing parts, and put them back on the shelf for guys like us to have to deal with later.
I love AM Standard
I use on every job
I loved the forensic group discussion over the damage to the tub in the montage at the end.😃
What a timing! I am currently looking for a tub and this video pops up :) great information as usual, thank you sir
At least you found it early. I had the lower half of a fiberglass shower in place and was starting to screw it in when I put my finger through a thin place next to the seat. It was about as thin as paper. I was really glad that I found it before the whole thing was installed or even worse after the drywall was installed.
that last tub you landed on is the exact tub we got for our kid's bathroom, and we love it!
hey when i install bathtub, on the under side in stall coating of spray foam, it sound better and cheap the bath water hot
The last tub I did had installing in a bed of mortar in the instructions.
I’ve got that exact same tube and yes, spray foam instead of mortar keeps it hot for hours.
Great idea
Thanks for sharing and take care. 👍
i installed the first tub you showed and i love it
Luck of the draw on the tub and great job American Standard💚💜
Have had damaged items delivered so many times. I was doing a complete remodel on a ladys bathroom, and she had special order fixtures being delivered from Lowe's. I told her I wanted to be there to inspect every thing before the delivery men left. They were not happy having to wait while I opened every box and inspected everything, but I was glad I did. When I opened the box for the toilet, it was completely shattered, bowl and tank. By checking before they left, it proved it was delivery damage and not done by us. The delivery guys called and explained the situation, and the manager located another toilet at another store and arranged to have it delivered that day. The workmen took the damaged item, and a few hours later we had our replacement and no delays in me completing the job.
Glad you have another company stepping up and providing materials 👍. It's always a drag when stuff arrives damaged... Have ran into this several times with tubs, sinks, and toilets - I guess shipping damage must be very common with these heavy items. It will be interesting to see the bathroom and kitchen finishes. 😀
American Standard is my go to! Good job.
The American Standard products in our house have given us many years of good service...I wouldn't hesitate to buy/recommend their products and thank them for supporting this project!
2:10 Same exact thing happened to me during my last bathroom remodel. As you said, other than a little hassle from the time and trip back to the store, it was no issue at all to have the big box store take care of it.
Third times a charm must be in the air. I'm currently building a home for my wife and I and the first combo delivered was a right drain when I ordered a left. Second one delivered was damaged behind the pine frame installed for protection in delivery. Third one I removed the wood and thoroughly inspected it before the Keller driver left. Good thing is the plumber is one of my best friends!!! Thanks for sharing your wealth of knowledge. Bill/Tumwater, WA
I love the to the point matter of fact short videos. Thanks and keep up the good work and the longer more in depth videos are also great. Won’t be long before you reach the magical one million subs
I just replaced my cast iron tub that's been there since the 50's with another cast iron tub. I figured that the first one lasted 70 or so years, so it must be good. Acrylic....hmmm....I suspect they'll scratch easily.
Amazing craftsman calm cool and collective like we have came to know. I would love to hear some life advice for after work. You’re like the grandpa everyone should have.
Check out their other channel, EC2.
Good info.👍
I have the same tub. (The second one) I love the little bit of extra room that curve in the front gives you. It also gives it a more pleasing look then just a straight tub.
What model is it?
Have a couple American Standard sinks in my house-they’re great.
That's why I like Phil!
Tells you how it is
No bull-bird ! Hahaha 🤣
I love this channel.❤
Have been there myself on the return and wait. Was a job that homeowner order fixtures and had delivered. Had a lavatory basin had to send back and replace 4 times for damages on unboxing. Frustrating when are trying to finish the job and get delayed 10 days waiting for replacements
Your video is timely! I have to replace my porcelain over cast iron tub. 80 years old. I never heard of acrylic and that is what I'm going to do. Thanks for your channel. :-)
AKA fiberglass
Would you consider refinishing the old tub?
@@paultennis9414 Probably not a bad idea.
Be sure to inspect before accepting delivery, and especially before carrying up the stairs. Keep up the good work!
Yeah, I learned my lesson the hard way. Carried a Koehler archer jetted tub up three flights of stairs only to find the pvc pipes destroyed. Was more annoyed there were no pieces so it had to happen at the factory.
Then the HD guy gets pissy when the replacement came two weeks later and I requested opening it before taking it home.
What no cast iron tub on the 2nd floor! LOL! American Standard stepping in to help. Not bad.
I had to replace a tub a while back, because the builder grade steel tub began to rust after about 20 years, to the point it was bugging me. I managed to find one from American Standard that had the same footprint, it was a slide in, not a drop in, but this saved me any re-framing. I did a new tile surround as well, plus all the standard waterproofing used back then, roofing felt, a layer of the water resistant drywall, then a layer of Hardy Board 3x5 panels, using fiberglass tape and mortar to fill in the joints, then the tile. "Younger me" was able to manhandle the old tub out and the new tub in. Now, I'd probably have to at least get a friend or hired hand to assist. But frankly, the replacement tub will be there long after I'm gone, and that is a good thing.
Just in time for my bathroom addition👍
Please show how you set it. Would love to see your tips and tricks!
American standard makes great fixtures imo. I’ve set many of their toilets in my first year as an apprentice plumber in new construction. I’ve also set that same soaker you showed. There’s still a lot for me to learn but I’ll go to their page to let them know they were right to sponsor you. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience with the rest of us, especially the future generation of American tradesmen( and tradeswoman).
Hey guys you really should go for cast iron tub. They don’t buckle and they are much quieter than acrylic. For then long cast iron can’t be beat ! Love your show. Is there a way to post them in chronological order on CZcams. Thanks.
Click on playlist on his channel. They are sorted by subject and time.
I like American Standard toilets. They are easy to install, and a nice product.
Loved the Lowe's comment. Their errors cost time and money. Of course, problems and mistakes can happen with any vendor, but locally owned businesses used to do a better job of making things right, even if it cost them time and money to resolve the problem quickly. Decades ago, I was a partner in one of those and (had we sold tubs) we would have found the product locally, picked it up and delivered it to the customer to compensate for the problem. Of course, in those days everyone kept real inventory. Inventory control is critical for a business, but "just in time inventory" only works if supply lines are open and someone is really watching the inventory instead of relying on a POS system. I can't tell you how many times I traveled the 25 miles to town to get an item at a big box store only to discover it wasn't in stock like their website indicated. "We're sorry for the inconvenience" is an insufficient response for costing a customer time and money.
If I need to drive more than 5 minutes to get something they say is in stock, I call the store and make someone physically check.
When I was a plumbing contractor working on an apartment building, the carpenters would use the walls of the one-piece fiberglass tub-shower unit for target practice for their nail guns. Ended up repairing almost half of the the 60 units we installed.
As a trim contractor, I would usually see the drywall guys drop screws and nails in the tub and keep stepping on them until the tub either had to be pulled or a tub repair company could get there to repair it
Not to mention stray hammer blows.
I wish I could bill Lowe’s for my hrs of wasted time lol. Happy to hear I’m not the only one who is frustrated by that.
mine was a flush mount wood medicine cabinet. opened it in the parking lot, saw the damage and walked right back into the store. The year before it was a bath vanity but I just fixed it and used it. Both were lowes.
I’ve noticed more of these issues from Lowe’s recently. I’m buying mostly from Home cheapo nowadays
Thanks Scott, and while you’re at it keep those fingers out of harms way I see one with the black-eye!
Phil!👍🏻
I bought a Kohler cast iron bathtub from Amazon. It came from California to NY without a chip. It was cheaper than buying it locally!
I weigh around 260 lbs and broke three toilet seats after about a year each time, I bought an American Standard toilet seat and it has worked perfectly for a couple of years already. Great quality product and the price was the same as the ones that broke.
There is a good practice to unbox everything coming on to a remodel job make sure no damage and or missing parts or screws. I have come to jobs where the stuff has sat for a year + in the garage and you cant find the mounting hardware. And in mansions the get all this imported stuff like fancy fixtures and the escutcheons are gone. The grub screws gone and the cap to hide the grub screw also gone. I got pics of this remodel if any of you are interested.
First tub too big, second tub has a blemish, so I guess it's a wash
Nobody thinks this is funny except me? HA!
I used that same tub when I remodeled the bathroom in our old house. The wife picked it because she likes the bowed out side. She says it will make bathing kids easier (it also adds elbow room for a shower ). It made sense to me since we were getting ready to sell the house and the size of the home and the location are great for a young family. Then she wanted the same tub in the new house. Honey we have no kids I remrk. Her response without missing a beat, I want grandchildren.
Where did you get your suspenders?
If you don’t mind me asking.
One nice thing about acrylic tubs...a guy got aggravated on a 20-house development and pounded a dozen hammer-holes in a few installed tubs; they were big tubs and were installed before the framing was done and I thought it would be expensive to tear out walls that were already drywalled, textured and painted to replace the tubs but instead the company sent out a guy who patched the tubs, perfectly matching the rose color and for months afterward I kept looking for the patches and never could find even one. Years later got to do the same thing myself in a 24-unit apartment building that had tubs with blisters that broke through during the first year of use. When I was young I thought any tub that wasn't cast iron was a fake...I luuuv fake stuff now. Plastic type stuff is just amazing.
i hate it, feels cheap and tacky like you're inside an ice cream tub, makes loads of noise too.
@@gramursowanfaborden5820 Agreed. Nothing is as quiet as cast iron is. I'm too used to it to see any benefits in the newer and cheap grade products. I can't stand those all in one fiberglass tub/shower clusters. The noise and the cleaning of them is extra work plus over time they fade colors, especially the white.
Will we get to see the attempted fitting of the first one? Would like to see the tub being installed in the fuff in space and floor and wall interface. What material goes above the tub, tile or other, and are u ysing green sheet rock?
3:59 Even a NASA engineer was summed up to solve the problem. hahahahah
I have that same Tub. Americast.
What do you think about putting insulation on the bottom of the tub to hold in heat so it does not cool off as fast if you want to soak for a while?
He broke it 😆
I special ordered a shower base from a big box store and it arrived with a fine crack that was not visible. Took a bit more than a week to get it replaced.
thanks, I'll stick with my American Standard porcelain cast iron tub, and I packed the empty space around it with fiberglass insulation to keep the hot water hot.
Was that Phil I heard in the background!!
I had a central tap bath NEVER AGAIN, when the tap washers needed changing in a relatively short time what a nightmare. Had to remove the bath to get at the taps. Unless you have a palatial bathroom those taps will be at the back against the wall since you won't want to step over/around them when getting in/out. Now you cannot get to the taps to unscrew the back nuts because of the belly of the tub.
How do you protect it?
Many tubs since the end of the 20th century, Are near there final location before the framing.
I don’t like built in tubs because of the water intrusion possibilities. We went to the junk yard. Found an old cast iron claw foot tub. We refurbished it! $40 and the cost of paint and filler. Jim
Hey sorry this is off topic but could you do a video on how to get into carpentry, construction and or framing type jobs. I’m having a hard time with small wages for tools. And very little experience. I’ve been applying on indeed with no luck. and some flooring and tile companies in my area but they are pretty much looking for sales associates. Everyone wants experience and you to have all tools already
'... the real problem is you can't bill lowes for two hours of screwing around' 😂
You, my sir, inspire me to work harder everyday and be unafraid of issues and new challenges each new light brings along. My burning desire to be a jack-of-all trades is only further fueled by studying your experience and expertise. I promised my family sometime ago that I'd build us a home from ground up one day, partially thanks to you and your family, friends, and workers I intend to comply fully to the promise made. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your consistency and dedication to this channel. Keep up the great work, the only easy day was yesterday.
Hi, Bwana Sibu here, in the U.K. Who is the artist performing the musical outro? Thank you.
Besides the fantastic content of your videos I could be your identical twin brother! No wonder I enjoy the content so much.
I was sorry to see that you had to go with a more narrow tub to fit the room. As I age, I like to have more elbow room in the shower. If I were to have a house built, I would insist on a roomier shower/tub install. Have you thought of a "shower only" install upstairs with a shower/tub installation in the downstairs bathroom?
Just spent about 3 hours at 3 different stores picking out a tub .
Due to hard water where i live i had my 2 year old water heater fail. I called the 800 number on it. They said take it back to the Box Store and get another one. Thanks to a 10 year tank warranty.
I bought American standard high rise toilet from Home Depot the other day and the bowl was shattered but it was Home Depot falt
I'm not sure if y'all have fiber high-speed internet in that neighborhood or if broadband is available. I'm curious, will you be putting in a data cabinet and ethernet wiring (RJ45) throughout the house when you go to do electrical? I think this is crucial to every new home given the old telco has been replaced with coaxial or VOIP. I guess the homeowner could always put up a bunch of WiFi access points(AP) but you got to have some good equipment for that to be a better experience than a wired connection and wired APs will work so much better than an AI mesh network. But that mesh network will also work worlds better with the wired APs too! Also, there's smart home stuff that can work using power over ethernet(POE). There are so many benefits! I feel like putting in the RJ45 should be a building code, lol.
code is perscriptive, not speculative
As a plumber's son I have long wondered: Why not fill all the voids around the bathtub, with insulation? Wouldn't that keep the bathwater hot longer?
That is done sometimes.
@Ken MacDonald There is a considerable amount of loss from the sides. If you ever tried the difference, you know that the tub gets colder quicker when there is no insulation. Not good.
You didn't dry fit the chipped tub? That's a paddlin'. :D
Never got anything out of the fiberglass and stainless steel bath and kitchen fixtures. Stainless is noisey and more work to keep clean and just about the same goes for the fiberglass and acrylic versions of tubs, showers and sink. There's just something about cast iron that goes best with durability and running water. They're heavy monsters for sure but they get much usage and are built just for that. viva cast iron and solid brass faucets.
I can play guitar for American Standard after I play the guitar for your intros in the bushes
Check the next one in the store. That's what I do with those guys. At least for me it seems like about 75percent of their tubs are damaged
I need to replace my 30 years old metal build in bathtube with acrylic one, would that be complicated, I have never done such thing...
It is doable, but you should have et least some experience with plumbing and caulking with silicone.
I would strongly advise to start with something smaller, like a sink.
If you decide to do it, two things: the old tub will be a chore to get out, and keep the access panel open for a while.
Leaks under your tub, where none notices can be a big problem.
Check out the EC podcasts for some great chats with the plumber Phil.
When he refers to the small bathroom and the little bathroom, does he mean an ensuite bathroom off the master bedroom?
So the damaged tub is just going on the rubbish pile, is that progress?
At the very end “you can’t bill Lowes for your 2 hours of screwing around “. The same lightbulb went off in my head today, while discussing with my guys. I bought a faulty keypad lock, installed, removed, exchanged and re installed. They make good on the product, but on your end everyone has their hand out. There’s no consequence to them except loss of product. The cost of the lost product is built into the price of everything else
I have always found it disconcerting to see how the big box stores handle returns so easily. It's like they know they're selling low quality stuff and 25% is going to be coming right back.
it's more so the fact that they know if they get blown up on social media they're going to lose a lot of business, so they make the returns process very forgiving.
It's not much of a problem for them. They just put the return in the back somewhere, and it's up to the supplier's rep to cart it away. In terms of financials, they probably automatically deduct the value of returns before even paying the supplier.
I was siding new construction and, while up in the rafters cutting a hole for the exhaust fan, I dropped my hammer on to the newly installed, cast iron and porcelain tub. I was sure I'd just lost all my wages for that job. Turns out, the developer took it in stride and forgave my boss, who forgave me. Very scary for me.
That's why when EC said "protect your tub after it's installed" I thought of placing a section of wrestling mat on any exposed sides (EDIT: Especially the top of course). If a wrestling mat on a concrete floor can take a human body falling on it and not injure the human, it can take a hammer falling on it from a significant height and not shatter the tub underneath.
44R0Ndin i used to experience the double layer of mats
Have you ever been asked to put a garbage disposal unit in the tub drain?
I'm a 20 year old residential plumber by trade. Not sure what your tile/sheetrock plan is but will it not cover that chip in the tub? At work we almost never have a tub in perfect condition, but sheetrock always covers it.
@Ken MacDonald this is a good point. Just trying to help
It will but my guess is they are using tile or something else ceramic for the walls. I'd guess it could be used however, at full price, I'd return it or get a discount for keeping a damaged/defective item. I think they were also worried the gloss finish would crack from that point and migrate outward over time.
@@Garth2011 ah. Didnt think of that
Looks like you’re cleaning up with American Standard giving their products to you, haha pun intended.
👍👍
I prefer cast iron tubs. Every plastic tub I've ever seen sagged in the bottom over time.
There's 3 brands of plumbing fixtures I'll buy (specially if I'm not the one living with them) American Standard, Moen, and Kohler. Everything else feels like it's gonna fall too soon. Also it's pretty neat to only be the 9th comment 😂
I agree with that. Everything else is garbage. Did you know Waltec is the commercial devision of Moen? Same standards. I had a wall mount faucet in the kitchen from them that was installed in 1942 when the house was new. Just replaced it a month or two ago with the same model. Awesome quality.
@@greatitbroke You know that they know that they have a winning product when it's still being sold after all this time. So much of the stuff we have these days is just "new for the sake of new" when the old stuff worked 99% as well and the new stuff costs 200% as much.
70’s delta single handle kitchen faucet, rebuild it with 2000’s parts unit found on the curb
There is also Gerber...good stuff too.
@@denisrhodes54 this too, my parents had a delta shower valve from the 50s no pressure balancing or anything. Just went to the plumbers supply house with the model and manufacture date and got a modern cartridge to fit and pressure balance. You just can't beat that. Would have had to tear it out otherwise the opposite wall is the neighbors shower 🤣
The coffee brewing , the socal sun yet to break but old man craftsman here to show , something worth wild !
I've been following you for more than 2 years. This is the first time I hear somebody in your channel putting someone down by name, 3:42; Even If it's a valid criticism, it's something not expected to be heard in this channel.
From time to time we make an exception for corporations! Thanks for the comment though! It’s a good reminder.
@@essentialcraftsman no problem, I just brought it up because it's so rare.
Keep up the good work!
Where I live, Lumberyards are few and far between (almost extinct except for those that diversified with carrying superior products to the "orange or blue big box home centers). And what I have found is you NEED to have a good rep at those lumberyard+ places (typical good ones are family run, not just owned). I've had nothing but horror stories from two local lumberyard/home supplies where they fail to order on time, fail to update the customer/contractor, fail to have knowledgeable or competent staff, etc. I will gladly drive another 10 miles or more to find a yard/supplies that knows what they carry, what they can get, and provide great customer service. Those two box centers (HD/Lwes) fail at everything quality (in lumber) and where I live, you can't just open the box up in the store. And Lord help you if they deliver and its damaged or missing parts (it can take weeks to months to get corrected). AS for tubs, I have cast iron currently (great but heavy as ----) and was told to look at solid surface tubs (retain heat but priced more than acrylic).
Why don't they package these items better? It doesn't add that much to protect something like this (or is it cheaper to write off and make another?).
I always open the box and inspect the product before any purchase at a big-box store. Unless there's an employee who just happens to be nearby, who's going to say anything? If they ever did, I would just do the same inspection right outside the store, before loading it in my truck.
Their forgiving return policy is a double-edged sword. It means people often get away with returning things after breaking them, so you have to be diligent about checking for damage. Employees generally understand this necessity, and won't object unless you're destroying the packaging or creating extra work for them (e.g. not putting it back in the package).
It was not always so, (amongst other more important work) I specified plumbing products on construction projects from the 1970s to 2000s, the drive for smaller fixtures is another part of the "energy conservation" effort along with low flush (flush twice) toilets and low volume shower heads, all mandated by government and generally despised by consumers.
Duh, this reply was meant to be to Andy Marshall below.