Expanse Propulsion!! Saturn in 60 days!! NASA Helicity Fusion Drive!!
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- čas přidán 3. 04. 2024
- Helicity Space has been generating lots of buzz lately, and NASA has been investing millions in their Fusion Propulsion. But is this really the ultimate interplanetary drive? If so, how does it work?
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Forget the Voyager and Pioneer spacecraft -- launch one of these to track down Omuamua!
Yeah we are bringing the synthetic nano-parasites back to Oumuamoua ! Right ?
Excellent idea!!
Need closeups or better
Now this is the kind of crazy-ass technology I like!
Me too!!
Never underestimate the value of crazy.
It sounds like a -type propulsion.
Indeed!
The Epstein drive is a 'super' fusion drive that can deliver accelerations of 1g for several days, reaching speeds in the order of 3 to 10 million kph, allowing them to traverse the solar system in a few days, and this proposed drive would be like a more achievable lower thrust version, but even accelerations as low as one fiftieth g maintained for 2 days reaches 125,000 kph and can coast the 65 million kilometers to Mars in just 24 days.
My guess is that the Expanse is pretty realistic and attempted to use as much real life science as possible UNLIKE Star Trek or Star Wars.
But the Epstein Drive in “The Expanse” was able to produce 10-15 G for an hour,
On TE they use the term reaction mass
We seem to be witnessing today in space travel was seen in the early days of powered flight during the 1910-20s: lots of enthusiastic people trying different things to see what works. Exciting times!
After one hundred years, someone thinks about giving it a try. With a funding of 1%. How long till we see?
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Not sure if anyone has addressed the elephant in the room. Yes, you are travelling at 500,000 kph but then you have to slow down for orbit or re-entry, which also consumes energy. Like my ex-wife stomping on the gas pedal between stop signs, only to destroy the brakes in a few months and pissing away fuel, but I'm not bitter
Just an engineering problem :)
That is something that i also wonder, thoses peoples always are talking about the speed and the acceleration but never about the whole journey, like the deceleration phase, the orbital insertion or even the landing or just the return with the sames phases right down to the launch from that other destination. This is just them dreaming about some theories that could very well get suddenly destroyed tomorrow by a team of regular scientists.
Depending on the mission, you could just have a lander and let the ship just keep running between earth and mars
reverse the spacecraft and gently throttle up in the opposite direction
To the moon Alice
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Ditto! Jordan deserves our support.
Naughty confession, I turn the sound off and the screen away. They are also only 30 seconds here, even with tracking on.
Thanks for the content. Cheers.
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wtf is wrong with you, people are starving and you do this, stupid times are here
@@TheAngryAstronautI wish I could give like that, but unfortunately the money has to go to slightly more important things.
However, I'm considering getting CZcams Premium - that should help as well !
My question is, how does it actually help the content creator?
I create content every so often, and I have about a half a dozen videos I have been uploaded yet
Are you a Premium user, Mr angry?
The expanse fusion technology was a pellet fuel laser fired fusion engine and it powered the entire ship.
Science fiction is fiction. It isn't and usually can't be real.
With battery backup
@@robertanderson5092 that part applies to any decently designed spacecraft real world or fiction.
Hey Angry, thank you for another very interesting video!
I have two questions for you:
1) you mentioned a few times in the video about the power needed to power the lasers and the electromagnetic field but you didn't say where that power would be coming from. Is it expected it would be coming from the fusion reaction? If so, don't we have the same problem where we're getting less energy out of the fusion reaction than we're putting into it? Would really like to hear your input on how they are handling the power needs for this type of propulsion.
2) I loved how you gave advice on simply watching commercials longer would help you. I went to do that and then realized that I made CZcams premium member so I don't get commercials. How does that work for creator such as yourself? Do you simply get more of the subscription fee since I consume your videos?
The idea of of Star Ship heavy lifters docking with one of these fusion transit ships and being met by a fully fuelled Star Ship for a propulsive landing in mars orbit would be more effective quicker and safer than Star Ship being the sole maid of all work.
What I say all the time. Raptor may become three times better than now, but it is no good beyond the Moon. Worthless.
Look this way: a chemical engine will push Starship for the first six minutes. And then it must roll all the way up the gravity well until Mars. Sounds stupid? It is!
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I'll be watching the ads bro, I've been enjoying your content. Just found you a few days ago.
One should also mention the VASMIR Plasma Drive...
Get to mars in a few weeks
VASIMR (Variable Specific Impulse Magnetoplasma Rocket) seems far more plausible than this Helicity Fusion Drive
A Pedant writes: in the little graphic for pulsar fusion, the labels for deuterium and tritium are reversed. Great video, though - and I am watching more of the ads!
You said it! Money talks and Bullship walks!
The more people trying so called crazy ideas, the more likely one of them will work, or at least point the way to something that will....I like the " edge" videos such as this one...
Awsome chan yh
We should use it to study oumuamua.
All right Angry, I will watch at least 30 seconds of all ads.
It's like Rolls Royce was making a nuclear engine right?
They still are. Nuclear Thermal propulsion.
Thanks! Appreciate everything you do, Angry!! Also will be watching your ads now.
Thanks so much for your support!
Really interesting alternative propulsion vid again! Well done! 😀
Nice video and the ads were actually informative to watch
Outstanding, and actually plausible 😊
@12:00 I know you probably got that animation from somewhere, but the text and the molecules were swapped.
Excellent video introduction !
Good content, thanks for this video.
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Thanks!
Leaving a comment here, but watching you on ODYSEE! Thanks for supporting alt-tech
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But Vasmir ION drive promised the same - if it had the power and that had paper level power just over a long time... think still being worked on ,,, but last test was 80 hours... i think they used rf generator to generate plasma -- but had heat sinking issues --- and kinda exists now
VASIMR (Variable Specific Impulse Magnetoplasma Rocket) seems almost ready to test in space
but this Helicity Fusion Drive sounds like it will need far more research. eg. They'll need some tech breakthroughs to reduce the mass of the ignition lasers. Plasma control will take them decades to develop and test.
Maybe try raising additional funds through some simple merch, maybe a cool little Angry Astronaut figurine riding a rocket :), promote some harmless little tech gadgets like the ridge wallet or that cool floating pen for example, relying on CZcams income can be a real mixed bag, most need to shill something for a little extra, you could also have someone 3D print some nice models of the Saturn rocket or the Space Shuttle and sell these, I'm sure plenty of the viewers of this channel would love something like that as display item,
Globes with cross-sections, and 3d models of the galaxy and systems of galaxies would be nice.
Yea.This Tech is exciting stuff. Let’s hear more soon!
The concept of using a fusion torch is exciting to us space buffs! Unfortunately, I missed the part of your video that discusses the source of power for the lasers and focusing coils required to make all this work. With the vastly increased velocities, lets add a magnetic shield to attenuate solar and cosmic radiation. Where does the power come from?
I value your channel and will make a practice to view at least 30 seconds of the skippable commercials.
Thanks for the insights on ad revenue.
Very interesting propulsion news. I’m glad they’re not using the name of the drive from the Expanse.
NIF achieved ignition around 2 years ago, so I do see Helicity working quite well.
So inspiring
🎉thank you
Thanks! Be Happy. Boy i screwed this all up.
Woooh Cant believe this type of propulsion it powsible today hope it gets alot of more interest & investment sounds amazing !! bit like a linier propulsion engine 👾😮
Love your content! Btw the loud background music is somewhat distracting IMO (around 10:00 ). Also, your mic quality could be upgraded too. Thanks!
Took your advice on the ad watching. Hope it helps.
Watched every ad to the end! It wasn’t a big deal at all! Thank you for making us aware of the 30 second ad watch. Easy peasy!
What do you get from youtube premium viewers?
I was just wondering the same..
So started watching the ads to try and help out.
Thx
Finally, people are thinking about what I figured out decades ago. Theoretically, it is possible to use thermal fusion for propulsion. So what I believe is needed is an X-prise race to the asteroid belt! Pit these technologies head to head to autonomously get to an asteroid and do a sample return mission. My concept is even more hybridized. Use free neutrons from a fission reactor. Spike your propellant with deuterium, tritium, and helium-3, tune your magnetic fields to a resonant frequency that enhances a fusion reaction at the resonate peak of each isotopes max probability of fusion suspending each isotope momentarily and like the delayed neutron fraction in a fission reaction, delay the atoms long enough to clump in the helical plasma enabling fusion collisions to occur. Once the reaction occurs, the fusion byproducts are no longer in suspension and go on the heat of the pure hydrogen ions for thrust. Simple mathematically. But, this company is on the right track, especially if Z-pinch regions are created to cause additional fusion reactions. Way to go, people. Finally, research is on the right track!
Love the content - some feedback: When talking about “bleeding edge” technologies, could we talk about them in terms of their Technical Readiness Level (TRL), which helps us understand how far out these technologies are. Thanks!
2027: orbital proof of concept test planned. For both, NASA/darpa fission and this UK based fusion drive.
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@@MichaelWinter-ss6lx so would that be considered TRL level three?
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I like you Angry, I like your enthusiasm, even if you’re hard on my SpaceX, that’s okay. You’re your own man, and I that’s a good thing, actually.
I’ll send you a few when I can, and STAY ANGRY, ABOUT SPACE!
They should make this space fusion engine an independent module that docks in orbit with any payload.
The payload supplies the fuel. The fusion module accelerates the payload to its destination. When it's nearing its destination the fusion engine fires again slowing down the payload.
Once in orbit the fusion module undocks, leaving the payload unencumbered to enter the atmosphere and land on the surface.
The fusion module remains in orbit until needed for any return. This approach makes this module capable of being fully reusable.
well yea that's the better way to do it, you leave spaceships in space and have landers goto the ground.
ok, I am going to listen to your adds. Thanks
If they can’t create fusion, it sounds like a VASIMR. Let’s start there.
We should use the TR3B black tangle
Hey 👍 content. So my question is, How do power the lasers and magnetic systems? Thanks.
Have someone else shoot the things you don't want, like a sidekick. I think it could make you feel better about those things you don't want to talk about and it will refresh the vibe of the channel. Big fan here, bro!
If you're using deuterium as fusion fuel, then you're going to produce a lot of neutrons, potentially damaging the engine and payload. How do they plan to deal with these neutrons?
Great video! I will definitely watch the commercials to help the channel. Please keep up the great content 😎
Love this concept. The engine could also double as a weapon. Point the trust of this engine at a target and it will pretty much melt anything within a given range. The fusion magnetic confinement field could be varied to control the concentration of the plasma.
I know this isn't a talking point people in the space community likes to have, but if aliens do exist out there, and they suddenly see us blasting around in fusion based space craft, they may take interest.
Making sure we can defend ourselves to some extent may not be a bad idea.
Why on earth would it double as a weapon? If we ever do have battles in space we'll be engaging each other from many, many thousand times the distance of a drive plume.
@@CoffeeFiend1 a plasma engine ejects plasma at a fraction the speed of light. if you can confine the plasma into a focused toroid then yes, it is a weapon. after a reasonable distance it will disperse, but that is an added bonus.
Bullets or high velocity projectiles may be very undesirable in space as they will not stop until they hit something and also create debris fields when they do hit their targets.
You could use the physics of a vortex cannon, but instead of air, you use a vortex ring generated by the plasma itself. the field would eventually fail due to the plasma cooling. Plasma generates magnetic fields and that field being shaped into a vortex ring would create a toroidal "bolt" that would fly many kilometers until the plasma cools to the point of the magnetic field failing. At which point the toroid would disperse. If the fuel is hydrogen, Tritium, or helium, then the gas would just blow away in stellar winds.
if the super heated plasma toroid hit it's target before dispersing, it would do considerable thermal damage to what ever it hits. If the toriod is compressed enough, it could even do considerable kinetic damage. Not as much as a bullet, but you could shoot many toriods a second if you just pulse the engine to produce these toroidal bolts.
Love human ingenuity when exploration is on the table. I assume they do but do the energy budget calculations include deceleration at the destination?
How is it being powered? Where is the energy coming from for the lasers and electromagnetic confinemen? Is it all solar? Will there be large battery banks onboard? Will there be a seperate fission reactor attached to it?
Sounds like steady thrust accel (& decel) which will also solve the zero-g health issues
Where does the power for the EM field and laser come from? Sounds energy hungry.
Did they say how much energy the laser needs to produce? I'm sure it scales linearly with the number of engines. Maybe suitable if we start manufacturing fission reactors again to power the ship. We have no capacity to refine plutonium currently. We need to get on that.
Fusion is one of the most interesting options considering energy amount released. But it also has problems.
iirc, one of major ones being many fusion products being very short lived. They are losing energy and mass and most of that within like nanoseconds or less. Some crazy particle sh!t. So the challenge was to use all that energy fast enough before it falls apart diminishing to a fraction of initial efficiency. And then directing some of the craziest particles like neutrinos anywhere at all. Because those don't interact much. Something along the lines. Quick decay and crazy particle products.
those magnetic currents actually look like Birkeland currents, they are stable space currents, so would make sense to copy them to improve efficiency
I think "listening" to an ad now an then is a good idea for your favorite programs. If nothing else just pull up a second screen, select a channel, turn down the sound and let it play long enough to convey your portion of ad revenue. I like that idea myself.
Gotta go fast!
CZcams should get their crap together
This would make an insane weapon.
Marko Rodin would be great to get his idea of the flux thrust atom pulser.
Do you still get credit for the add if the sound is turned down?
sounds great... seems like the power source would have to be nuclear fission to gen all the power for lasers and electromagnets, right?
Angry did you forget that you made episode about other fusion drive? It had bank of capacitors and it used fission that produced fusion.
Where you getting all this power from to power the lasers and the magnetic containment. It has to come from somewhere and will be it's biggest limiting factor.
Gotta figure out the heliosphere next
For the near future manned missions won't need to go past the asteroid belt, allthough a round trip to Jupiter would be a fantastic showcase for these technologies.
The onboard a.i. computersystem will have to be named HAL for obvious reasons.
Or an unmanned towing vessel taking asteroids nto Mars, slowly making it an earth sized planet :)
pie in the sky sci fi
Be interesting to go after Oumuamua.... It's a bit over 6 billion km out apparently. (assuming no further course changes lol)
We need the sustained ~.7G thrust for a ~7 000 ton vehicle to explore our system.
That would be nice.
hopefully one of those systems can do the job of getting real work done by spacecraft
What is used to generate the power to create the plasma in the first place?
Been waiting for this! But theres one point you got wrong: the microgravity ;•) it is gone! You can leave the engines ON at constant 1g. You also have to deccellerate before you're there. Turn the ship around and you still got your 1g.
This constant 1g may reduce your achievable speed within a certain time amount, but it still sums up to unbelievable speeds. And in an emergency situation, it can still do 5g or more for short times.
So what we need is an engine bundle, which can burn at millions of degrees for several years non stop. Let it produce 1g at 20% and that will determine the size of the ship. Of course this is only relevant with crewed missions. A robot mission can take much higher g forces. That is the reason why the SpaceShuttle could not launch with full power!
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Hot rod it!
I do have one question, how do you stop the ship once you get to the destination 🤔
What effects would the thrust have on the body. Would it be enough to negate the effects on a mars bus ride
cool.. but where is the energy coming from to power the lasers ?
Being that I am a premium CZcams subscriber I don't see ads at all. Do you get paid better for viewers who buy into CZcams?
I'll believe it when I see an energy positive fusion reactor, any such fusion reactor, run in orbit.
I commit to watching the ads from now on
Isn't a 1000au close to the sollar gravitational lensing distance?
Many things conduct through superconductive materials other than electrons. Gamma particles also conduct, neutrons, helium 3, and helium 4. In the background radiation of space, a space platform could harvest from the sun, Helium 3 which liquefies with only slight compression requirements. When needed, He 3 is pumped into a superconductor in liquid form using the 3-kelvin temperature from the background radiation of space. A high voltage could electrostatically pull the atoms into a superconductive lattice with theoretically unlimited conductivity. Gamma particles from space also conduct in superconductors and will deflect gamma radiation from the living quarters. Since the polarity of helium 3 is slightly positive a small amount of uranium could create the electrostatic charge with up to a million electron volts. Gamma, also positive would direct itself toward such a high voltage negative charge impacting the stacked helium 3 atoms with the lattice as a suspension. There would be no need for coils as a multilayered superconductive skin could produce its own gamma particles from this reaction and the thrust could be maintained directionally. Copper and silver laminations could also create a strong structural suspension. Helium 3 pairs, with each conversion to helium-4, would produce 600 joules of thrust and a gamma particle with enough energy to trigger adjacent reactions. Pressure distribution at 600 ft/lbs would be uniformly distributed to the adjacent supporting lattice structures. So imagine fueling helium 3 from a star and propelling your craft that is also capable of gravitational instability. If you want to throttle back, slow down the helium 3 supply.
How many joules of He-3 fusion could be stored in one of those storage tanks explosively jettisoned off of that rocket, hold? Let's build one that runs on collected stardust, and is refuelable in space like a UFO.
There 3 main types of NTR, including "the nuclear lighbulb" light thrust from a particular type of closed cycle reactor :P
Does it have enough energy to slow it down in a timely manner?
I thought some scientists had already figured out the recipe for fusion power. They are just currently refining so it'll be fiscally appealing to companies to buy into fusion.
No word about where all this rare fuel is going to come from??
I must be missing something. What's the power source for the lasers and magnets?
Especially since the magnets must provide the same energy as the gravitational energy of at least 16 Jupiter masses for any fusion to occur at all, even for a microsecond.
Even if by some miracle we manage to get a ship to move at these velocities, the ship and crew/payload need to be able to survive the trip. I haven’t heard of any major breakthroughs that would allow the hull survive the physical punishment it would be subjected to at high velocities.
Im sure someone has already thought about this, but what if a very small payload (say just a few KG) with instruments for measuring interstellar space (whatever that is) is launched by Falcon Heavy with a super large chemical upper stage to attain 500,000 kph or better? Not something like the "starshot" mission but more in between. What would it take in terms of propellant to payload mass using traditional chemical engines?
I love your discussions about future technology for rockets. You do a great job of research.