We could build this huge Space Station in 6 months
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- Can a new space construction machine called Sargon build a huge torus-shaped space station in six months or less? We show you how it can.
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I feel like I just watched the most expensive episode of shark tank ever
Space Habitat Market is coming!
Yeah, and 2 years later, we still have crickets!
As an Australian, may I use an American turn of phrase I've heard used for a different reason, "Thank you for your service." The implications of what you've acheived...seriously, thank you. You guys are paving the uphill road.
Man you made a grown up guy cry. It was a childhood dream to visit space. God bless you for success
@@charles_preston noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Okay there may be holes or gaps here but what can we do to fill them in, stop being a naysayer and join in making Humanity better💪🏽💖♾️🖖🏽🙏🏻
Everyone calling out this guy for being 'too ambitious'----are too comfortable where we are today. We have lost our way and people like this are what we need to awaken innovation and exploration, so that our species can thrive. Otherwise, we will continue pushing our planet to the limits with no plan B.
Yeah we have to remember the U.S army had plans drawn up using the knowledge obtained from the Apollo missions to build large bases on the moon housing a few dozen soldiers. The funding (which was a lot) never came and that was 50 years ago. This stuff can be done if it is funded resourced.
No you NPCs would rather be lied to and delude yourselves than to face the harsh realities of physics. You know you’re going to die soon so it feels good to hear sweet lies about space flight because that’s what you WANT to see/hear
Sounds good in the future time line. Station's good ideas home sweet home
@@Bitchslapper316 Militarizing the moon is not the answer and will only cause problems between other countries, on the moon and here on Earth.
What should be done, is the creation of a united nation space exploratory alliance, similar to NATO on earth, so as to leave geopolitical strifes on Earth and for focus and resources to be sourced to the bigger picture, human survival and expansion.
Realistically, humanity should've at the very least set up some kind of moon base and or refueling station on the lunar surface by now. This could've been done during or shortly after the apollo missions, but again funding and politics got in the way of our species' growth.
@@russellwilliams3209 I'm never said they should militarize the moon. I'm saying they have had the ability to do so for 50 years.
Can't fault the ambition, but the timeline is Elon level optimistic.
Its really not that hard ;)
@@jeffhaggarty9879 dunno about you mate but the FSD beta is damn good right now, barely need any disengagements
as far as the Boring Company goes, they have delivered in all of their contracts so far, what's the problem there?
Musk has never been involved in Hyperloop more than giving prize money to college students for a competition, I fail to see how is that a bad thing
@@jeffhaggarty9879 Daft argument.
@@SlimStarCraft Serious accusation! Any proof?
Yet Elon hits most of his goals.
Excuse me for being skeptical, but I've been seeing these stations promised since 1968. I have no doubt they CAN be built, the method isn't all that different in theory than building the Saint Louis Arch. Build a section, and put sections together.
I want to see this built certainly no later than 2029.
It appears to be using practical designs borrowed from constructions as diverse as the Arch and tunnel construction. I'm sure the principles are sound.
The question comes in when trying to fund it.
The more that can be done the more quickly, the more investment will follow, but you have to get the first one made.
I'd like to see both Bezos and Musk support this endeavor, but even if you only get the backing of the Arab Emirates, I want it to get built.
I can hope to see such a station completed by my 70th birthday in 2031.
I'd certainly like to see us go from the moonshot to orbital stations with artificial gravity before I'm gone.
But that's a future I have been promised my whole life, and everyone has always said we were within ten years of achieving it. So excuse me for being skeptical.
It's hard tp keep building hope and having it crushed.
The. America zog government is more concerned about homosexuality than building space station's
The reason we didnt have space stations, is that we didnt have comercial space programs, Nasa and other agencies have burocracy and Bad administration, musk could do it fast, but it is not his priority now, if he were yo announe it, them You could actually hope for it.
2031 is still a long time to wait for
The thing that will make this a reality exist now (or very soon). Big reusable rockets, that will drive down the cost of going to orbit dramatically.
@@jeffhaggarty9879 Not SpaceX fault though. The FAA refuses to approve any more test flights.
How does the Torus remove itself to build the last section? Absolutely love the vision, can't wait to see it a reality!
Perhaps the torus is flexible enough to leave a gap for the builder to exit before the gap is closed. Alternately the builder could be split and be removed in two parts.
The real problem is the cost of stations and the insurance against space impacts.
The torus has to be assembled and thus will be disassembled roughly the same way.
It becomes part of the structure
Great question. would be funny if they hadn't thought of that, but I'm sure they have. Too bad, that he does not reply here in the comments. He gives a play book presentation, but this one seems to be without question-time for the audience. What if I was a multi billionaire thinking about donating 10 billion to his company but I'm too shy to send him mails and instead do it anonymously here on CZcams? He'd loose 10 billion, just because he thinks I am a random idiot on CZcams, who plasters the comment sections with stupid things. Which couldn't be further from the truth. Questions over questions. Anyhow. We need people who think big. And when these people are also engineers, the better that is! Good luck "Gateway Spaceport"!
PS: This guy is bold. "Mr. Bezos, this is your dream, we should meet.... Mr. Musk,... let's get together and talk about that". And the best is: I believe him, that he means it honest. Any maybe he would be capable.
Separates in half or opens up on a point on a hinge if technologies are available then anything can be possible to have the job done. Or it could work as multiple drones that can separate when the job is done. These are just my theories and could be practical if real execution is carried out.
Cool and sound ideas as previously seen from Gateway.
However, the lack of indepth information, seen as they have been around for 10 years now, is troubling.
Where is the hardware?
Where are the cost projections of the "Tree" cargo pods which are sending the panel segments up with starships?
Design and cost of the "Hatship class pods"?
Design and cost of the prefabricated panels?
Design and cost of the welding machines?
Design and cost of Sargon construction segments?
Estimated cost of a space station?
How will the fully welded station be pressurized?
How with the pressurized station be leak tested?
How is the funding situation right now?
... Do you have anything but flashy youtube vids?
Suggestions from my side:
1st: Show a design for the panels and the sargon segments, including costs
2nd: Make a prototype square builder (4 segments instead of 32) and build prototypes: single 1x2 panel line, 2x2 panel squares, square "circles" of boxes, a full tube rectangular cross sections... down here on Earth
Heck, i would consider a 3D printed plastic Sargon with some hot glue guns for "welding" plastic panels a step forward!
other suggestions:
- Build the panels in double layers (each panel effectively being a flattened cube/a parallelepiped) with an integrated sensor package inside. If the outer or inner panel wall is punctured (from space debries or a clumsy station dweller) sensors will be warning you of a panel failure, but it is not necessarily a life threatening situation. The panels can also be filled with some material for added "bulletproofness" (woven kevlar-like materials)
Great comment and feedback
The fact that he’s asking for donated time for someone to render interiors and such shows how much of a pipe dream this company is without funding.
This man really makes me feel like going to college to get my engineering degree just to try to get hired to this company
And this is why you go to school, go ahead apply. 😔
@@jewellcarpenter6764 Probably won't! sad but often we see good things but fail to embrace/chase them.
@Denzel Fortune I felt like quitting smoking many times but never did, so are you going to college to become a Spacial Engineer or like me your going to chicken out?
Yes, join!!! 👍🏼Up!!!
Trust me guys I want you so badly but I'm poor and can't afford to accrue more debt. I wish higher learning wasn't behind so many walls. Especially STEM, there should be guilds, free as fuq. I'm 25 and I'm focusing more on building streams of income. Want some rich I could take all the classes I want! That's the plan at least. I'm a smoker too but if I'm immersed in an environment I'm hands on learning I'm a really good student.
This "company" is a UPS delivery adress XD it doesnt exist, its a CGI generated scam, making ppl believe big things are coming to gather funds and then bale
The real issue here is not space and the dangers of space, but rather the skill set and knowledge to maintain the sustainability of these projects.
ur name suggests poppy pants
The maintenance is what I would be worried about
You forgot about deep pockets.
Conspiracy Theorists argued that there are already superhuman beings who will be running this projects. They are Hybrids of human and aliens DNA and Intelligent beings from other worlds.
dear martin brown, if you are part of the team that got me fired for doing a good job and harassing for your goals you blow. And yes, like with the way you ignore the fact that youth need be fixing their own problems and not always the old glucks of times past swooping just to secure more short term money deals. If there are people like you in charge, how do you think Nasa space program looks today? These guys just use cell phones for videos today. I would be shocked if they still knew how to make refrigerators. And i mean the good ones.
Let’s build one for Venus and Mars before we try to land men on Mars. This way we have the secure technology to keep humans alive in Space for long periods.
I just love the fact that someone is putting forth effort to go forward. Time is short overall, but especially when it comes to me and stagnant thinking people. Just the amount of things that can take us out is mind blowing without even factoring in our damn selves. I only hope that this isn't what incentivizes the bad actors of this world to destroy it even more. I worry about those who won't be able to leave... IJS
I love the optimism! That's what humanity needs.
Agree,...the explorer spirit needs boosting !!!!!
Vera looks great to me 👍
@@charles_prestonsays who? Humanity would have never gotten the idea of traveling to the moon or sending millions of satellites and space probes out of this world without the U.S. and what was the USSR deciding to compete against each other in the space race
Optimism....ugh.
How about we start fixing our existential problems here on Earth first... All you dreamers are on about is leaving the planet behind.
If we ever get to leave this planet (AI will be our great filter anyways), then we'd just start the same s*** all over again just somewhere else.
Maybe its for the best that we'll get replaced by AI. Mankind is too inferior and barbaric to challenge the universe...
Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its five-year mission: to explore strange new worlds; to seek out new life and new civilizations; to boldly go where no man has gone before!
This introduction began every
I think space tourism is great but would love to see it designed to allow people to live there on a permanent basis. This is the way we should move to space and with these built further and further from our earth we can use them as stepping stones to the universe. Now hopefully we will see this in the near future.
Please call the little transporter the StarBug in honour of Red Dwarf!
Kat, Lister and Rimmer would love this!
and have stations named after them too!
That Spacecraft design is so cool looking, I'm a SciFy modeler and I think I'll try to scratch build a model of that thing :)
Odo can run security, and Quark can have his own bar. Live long and prosper, and may the Schwartz be with you. 🚀
If Gateway Spaceport reaches fruition it will become the industry standard for attaining rotation induced gravity. No need to build larger diameter units bc the Tori can be center linked by corridor tubes ( envision a dual hub pickup with the tires representing Tori ). There could be any number of linked Tori, separated by Kilometer wide space sleds that that can be conjoined to form solar array configurations several Kilometers in length.
Big space craft is great yet so close.
You'll are smart & well good Luck in that thing you'll need it for sure. Yet don't stop trying or believing.
These are great ideas and presented well, but a few questions do occur :
1. How low would a seat cost at lowest price predictions ?
2. Have there been plans to protect against small meteors like up to the size of a bowling ball ?
3. Will the spaceport be able to travel by itself to its final stationary position and move out of the way to avoid large passing space rocks ?
These are the first questions I thought of. There's probably a lot more from other followers .
Micro meteors could be a big issue. And the larger the structure, the greater the chance of collisions. Thin aluminum structures are far from bullet proof. And impacts of tiny meteors are comparable to bullet strikes.
Are there plans to test a smaller prototype? How would you power the electron beam welders? I like the idea but it needs to be proven first then scaled up.
you can make small modular reactors to power just about anything for decades in space. The problem is that they become obsolete before they're run dry.
Something I don't get is why we don't use an older yet easier to design power generation system. You see, space might be cold, but direct sun exposure is well in excess of 250 degrees. Hot enough to boil water. using the shadow of a station would be a condenser. So the question is, why not use older technology to power stations for the life times of any station?
@@justingreen8572 One of my college teachers did work on the Canadarm project. He told us how liquids in zero gravity are damn near impossible to control. One side of the machine is as you said is at +250'C, the other is the opposite at close to absolute zero, so you have massive expansion/contraction/warping if the machine is rotating. Liquids are pumpable but if any air enters the system it's air locked. He said trying to lift water into space for steam was going to be super hard to work. Solar panels have no moving parts.
@@runsolo7418 but what if it would be rotating balloon, expanding and contracting. or even series of balloons pushing each other
This is a good question. Electron beam welder would require massive electrical input. As one of the commenters said: nuclear might be an option, but that has it's own set of problems. I'm wondering if a purpose built power supply might be possible. I'm picturing something using existing, proven technology (solar panels) connected to banks of heavy duty capacitors. The entire power supply would store electricity in the banks of capacitors and then the capacitor banks would act as the power supply. That way if there were problems with the capacitor banks only being able to store enough electricity to do pulse welding instead of continuous welding, it would just wait until it recharged and then do another pulse weld. If there were a problem because the solar array for some reason stopped working, then the electricity would remain stored in the capacitor banks until the problem was resolved. You're right to point out the need for testing and small scale prototypes... This is going to require a huge financial investment to get going... In fact it seems to me that this video is more or less a sort of "open letter" to Elon Musk... Pitching this system as an investment. The speaker pointed out at the beginning that he has patents. He owns the patent... Not a functional system. So this system is a good idea but it needs money. A few weeks ago Elon musk might have had enough to find this man's system, but with his purchase of Twitter, I don't think he's gonna have enough ready cash lying around to lay out another big investment on unproven technology. I also wonder if there are any working priorities around to see and play with.
According to my calculations:
total surface area for the outer ring is 365,672.84m^2
volume=18,283.64 m^3 or 1,828,364 cm^3
2219 aluminum alloy = 2.84 g/cm^3
totaling in 519,255.43 Kg or 572.38 tonnes
starship cargo volume = 1,144.53 m^3
starship cargo weight capacity = 150 tonnes
16 trips by volume not including the machine and your volume is so high that you'd fill the ship before reaching optimum volume/weight. So I'd recommend shipping the panels and the machine to save money :)
Thank you! That was my question... ballpark how many launches
I always see big open spaces In these ship designs and think that surely they'd have to be many separated zones to minimise damage/loss of life in the event of a collision from debris meteors etc
Not only that but the entire complex interior in general. That’s will have to be done manually by humans and will take much longer unless we’re just going to live inside of a giant empty ring. The inner construction here is missing.
@@ITech2005 in theory everything is possible, in practice, and reality (cost), there will be compromises and fantasy to reality, things will scale down massively.
certainly he would benefit from studying submarine design.
@@mytester6208think ships and how small the cabins. I think that this is more likely. The torus design is for larger concepts with more permanent settlements
There is only one problem. CMEs from the sun. Specifically CMEs with the strength of the Currington event that occurred in 1850s…and which took out the Earths fledgling electrical grid. That event melted the transatlantic cables. That was approximately an X30.
This is EACTLY what we need. This would be the start of how we could start building Starships in SPACE and not be limited to what can be built on earth.
@@jessepollard7132 Yes, but the welding part and what not has been figured out.
Very ambitious design. The production of a ground-based sample section would be very convincible by demonstrating the welding technique and the strength of the structure.
It's not designed to withstand Earth's gravity and would buckle under its own weight.
the problem not how you do it but more about who will fund it.
I'd like to see the pressurized safety doors that will go in it every 20 yards or so in case something hits it.
If you install a water sprayer system with some type of filler you have a sealer for any small leaks. The cold temp of space will be the catalyst to seal it. Just something i thought about one day.
A demonstration project would need to be done in space, but that shouldn't really be overly difficult other than the decent chunk of cash required. A perfect demonstration would simply have a far smaller torus made, either using far smaller machines doing a to scale version of the full project(lower weight) or more likely, using mid sized construction drones using say quarter radius panels into a small torus just to prove the principal (lower complexity and weight).
There is a very good reason to use a segmented design; in the event of a collision or structural failure, airlocks can be sealed, saving inhabitants.
Hi Pickle, the sheer volume of VERA Station would allow for big holes to leak air for days and still have plenty of air pressure. But we do have multiple plans to patch any holes, big and small quickly.
@@TheGatewaySpaceport while smaller space debris is fine, what about incidents of larger holes being made? Such as a two meter rip. Unfortunately space debris is getting more and more common, so having segmented airlocks as a safety is a necessity, and simply having extra air isn’t the answer, no one wants to loose that much.
@@TheGatewaySpaceport Let's hope no one will be blown out into space until such holes are fixed. That's the problem with that air pressure, it's no good to you once you're out in space unprotected. But I'm sure you're not forgetting about that, or are you? ;-)
@@omsi-fanmark All debris bigger than 1cm are tracked and warnings are given for any possible conjunction. VERA will move out of the way for the big ones just like ISS does.
@@TheGatewaySpaceport theres also the posibility to use lasers to decompose and change trajectory of any incoming materials as well as small drones that would kamakazi into them. For the airthing a system of airlocks would still be preferential, just in case. Also you should look into production of oxigen in an oxygen farm, cause supplying such a big station regularly with oxygen would be a big hurdle. In the best case the stations would even be able to grow their own food on plantages.The space would be given
Thank you for your innovative visions of the possible. I probably won't be alive to see this come to fruition, but I have followed developments for over 73 years. Make it happen.
Yes , Mr. Musk and Mr. Bests and other Space Visionaries, let's MAKE IT SO ! Let's start moving on this incredible project NOW !
If this is real, and I don't mean fake, this is a revolutionary and innovative way to construct something in space. Wow, hats off!
An appealing idea but a few questions off the top of my head. How do you close out the torus (requires some disassembly of the machine making it)? The illustrated machine would not be able to do it because the unattached side is many metres of straight machine tangential to the torus so it would interfere with the oldest section when trying to add the last few sections. How durable/what is the expected lifespan? What is the mass of the torus and the method of manoeuvre for raising the orbit as it declines, and for collision avoidance? What is the expected rate of meteorite/debris impact and what systems are in place to mitigate or prevent losses causes by same? What reserves of supplies (air, water at least) would be necessary for certified safety? Apart from space tourism, what use is this form of space station? It is not zero-g so has no manufacturing advantages over production on earth unless dedicated, non-rotating tori are built. But a dedicated, non-rotating sphere would be a safer and more efficient use of materials for zero-g manufacture. I'll stop there.
Sorry I asked this same question before I read your comment.
Your thinking mirrors mine. The machine would be great for the bulk of the work but the problems come at the end. For the last of the segments, that machine would never work. Now two machines gets to be a bigger problem as one would have to get out of the way before the second would also have to get out of the ring. Depending on how big the machine is, that would determine how big a segment would have to be made that would be used to plug the gap. And then pushed into the gap. There you would need some kind of a ring that would be bolted/cam locked together to a mating ring on the larger portion of the torus. Once welded from the inside, those parts could be removed. I also think that you would want to do a complete weld of all the segments from the outside. When installing the last segments, you would need some sort of jacking mechanism to spread the torus a little for the final segments to fit in. Then release the jacks so that the ring closes in on the final segments. Maybe even have to pull the segments together depending on the temperature of the units at final assembly. It isn't insurmountable but that machine can't do it all. It will take other types of machines also.
I also noticed that there was no indication of how the finished space station was going to power itself. That one part of the video where it showed a mast with a mirror sure isn't going to do it.
You build only half tori, then you install all the flooring and ducts that are needed from the open ends. Then you fuse two halves together.
As for power 18:43 shows that the side towards the sun will be covered by solar panels. But I am also sure that nuclear power will eventually be the solution.
Seems like the Sargon machine is really just a ring of smaller assemblers that act as easily manufactured "space tractors". I'm guessing they probably just disconnect, let go, and push off from each other when they reach the end. Then maybe they just hover above the last ring and place the last ring from above, or maybe they stay at the end and leave it open as a passage to bring supplys/robots to work on the inside until they finaly close it?
Yeah.. and how do you build the builder in the first place... That's 1ks of hours of EVA isn't it?
This all seems rather nice and promising in a perfect world, however the larger problem is not the method of constructing large stations but the hostile environment around them at the moment. I'm referring to the debris and not the vacuum. Time and again we see the ISS and satellites having to adjust their orbits to avoid collisions with orbital debris. I think the first step NEEDS to be solving the problem of cleaning up after ourselves and developing a method of disposing decommissioned satellites that are unable to relocate themselves and collecting smaller debris without endangering other orbital assets before we start thinking about building gigantic structures anywhere near that shooting range. How will these large stations avoid debris strikes, would they be able to adjust their orbits quickly enough, etc. The possibility of a scenario such as depicted in the movie Gravity becomes exponentially larger and more dangerous when you start cramming gigantic structures with limited mobility into the equation. I just think that if we want to do this then the first thing we need is orbital waste management and NOT vacation destinations and hotels until we have cleaned up our planet's back yard and mitigated the risks to the best of our ability. Around the moon, possibly, Mars - better candidate, LEO - definitely not ready for commercial zoning and occupation.
You can solve the debris problem by moving this enormous station much farther away from Earth than orbiting satellites in the debris that orbits Earth
@@thats_my_comment Yeah, I was thinking that it wouldn't be that close...
we can make small drone satalites that attach to debrees and fling them away from earth
Still have to deal with micro meteoroids though
@@thats_my_comment in high earth orbit
Finally !!!
I've been waiting decade's & I'm sure others feel the same way !!!
Thank you !!!😘💖
Will be sharing!!!! #SharingIsCaring❤
This is exactly the sort of thinking and engineering we need to get off this rock. Tunnel boring machines were considered crazy and impossible, until one was built. Diff environment, bigger challenges, greater danger but the same idea. Excellent
This is exactly how this could play out. They would be the tunnel boring company for space. The difference being that they would construct a pressurised torus every month.
Yes. NTBM's have been around for decades.
? This is exactly the thinking for why we will never get of this rock..BS cgi and gormless fanbase .
@@MyKharli Gormless? Me learn new word thank you massah!
Yeah but it's already nonsense. They are showing people walking around, and that won't be possible. This concept for artificial gravity doesn't work because of how the spinning object may create a "similar" feeling of gravity, it completely fucks your inner ear, and balance. It has been considered before it would not work.
this sounds almost too good to be true. To visit space as a tourist is one of my biggest desires in life. Seeing that is already happening while I‘m still in my 20‘s is amazing and gives me a lot hope for our species !
yep, hold that thought.
I will never be able to visit one of these due to my age, but I will love to see it come to fruition!
Does any of your "claims" being tested and proven ??
The inner torus would be a good deep space habitation ring with 5 megawatt reactor driving a VASIMR ion drive mounted well back on a truss structure. A Starship could still be docked in the center for resupply and even come along for detached local service, landing craft and/or lifeboat.
If I've learnt anything in construction, It's that NOTHING ever goes exactly like it's planned, and that's under normal conditions here on Earth. Imagine building this, in space and trying to meet your deadlines.
I agree - I have been in construction 40 years and not a single job was every completed without problems. I wonder how the solar heating of these panels that will expand and contract the panel which could stress the ring as it is built would effect the fit and even after completed. Tight welding joints will mean there will be large stresses on these joints as sun hits some panels and not others.
@@larryheath1195Seems the station will always be in the sun… Maybe, temperature remains stable 🎉
@13:00
Can't wait to see your company's thought on when the first O'Neill cylinder stations will be built.
My thought ran to that- but I see a way to build these torus shaped rings as a stack, which would finish as an O'Neill ring. That would want torus's to be many hundreds of meters larger than this. One run up seems to say they would need to be a mile in diameter and rotate at once per hour to achieve a Ig inside surface. The torus starters would give much space for housing, manufacturing and recreation and the interior would be for herbiculture and husbandry, as a thought.
@A. G. Sounds just like what they told Elon when he started talking about his Starship project.
Noticed a design problem with Sargon. Maybe you can speak to how it closes the torus with the last ring. It appears to be both inside and outside the torus as it assembles the shell. How will it get out of its own way to place the last ring and remove itself from the torus? If it will require manual labor to finish the ring and disassemble the Sargon I volunteer. ☺
I'm sure it will split in half
All technology sounds good in theory. However, in practice, problems must be fixed on the Starship. A reentry crash and a suborbital explosion of Falcon and Falcon heavy Starship are extending the wait time for building torus large space stations. Everything is going to change after fixing safety troubles. Thanks.
Wonderful, I just hope we can find a way to work together long enough to get this done!
really cool project and concepts. here we can definitely imagine an exciting future! very well done!
I guess a few worries:
1) vibrations across the hull/harmonic balancing
2) safety bulkheads to seal compartments in the event of an emergency
3) dynamic load balancing... Smaller stations would be more susceptible to mass (mostly the people) concentrating on one section. This will not only strain the structure itself but could possibly destabilize the rotation of the station.
4) redundancy... What makes aviation, and particularly space flight, so expensive is the redundancy. Everything I mentioned above (and then some) needs backups on backups.
5) startup pressurization... Just like a submarine, the ISS depends partially on air pressure to maintain structural integrity. This design seems to assume the volume to be empty during construction. This may not necessarily be a problem but how does the design account for what's going to happen when it *does* become pressurized?
6) I forget the name so let's call it a crawler, but can it handle variable designs? At some point the uniformity of the torus needs to be interrupted to allow for structural supports, service access, ingress/egress, and other basic design elements.
I think it's a good start but idk if everything can be "assembly lined," unless the interiors are also homogeneous, throughout.
Where will they get all the materials needed to build this in the next decade? Who would be funding this?
This is great stuff, and as an engineer, I think very doable and ingenious conceptually. I would like to hear how you plan on delivering and installing systems like life support and power, atmosphere, and water. I would very much like you to succeed.
I'd like to know how the materials needed for fabrication will get there? This is huge in my mind. There are no transport vehicles that can cost effectively carry the volume of materials into LEO.
The system required for this havent been Made yet. he would have to wait what 20-40 more years til we got a fleet for asteroid mining n melting in space. cause jesus guy gonna kill earth with all this shipment
@@c.gorgas5277 Wasn't it heavily implied (outright told) that Starship will enable this? If Starship goes online and actually works, then there's the issue of leasing a few for the project. I can see the bottleneck being the logistics first and foremost. How many launches will be needed? And will the Starship need constant refurbishing? Many questions
@@praktikantnss5728 Yes, you are right. It was outright told that starship will enable this.
John , you come up with the most awesome designs to work in space. definitely I'll be following every move you make thanks for making our dreams come true.
Thank you, Benny
Nice, now we can make star trek saucers (joke)
I don’t think people understand that these types of ideas and plans are a necessity for the survival of our species. We don’t actually have a choice if we want to continue, humans MUST become a multi planet species.
Great video I've learned enough from watching this repeatedly, I'm seeing the connections with the ancient world and however I'm impressed with the goals here and the manner and timing in which it is being completed.
One huge and crucial design flaw; You cannot rely on one giant pressurised hull. It has to be lots of smaller compartments with sealed door in between!!!
Imagine the catastrophe of a debris hitting and the whole hull gets de-pressurised! It must be built in sections.
It's got a force field like starwars pewpew pew
There was an image showing internal decks. That’d divide up the ring and then all you need are partitions/pressure doors perpendicular to the decks.
Ships, submarines and pressurised aircraft hulls tend to be singular and still considered safe. Building bulkheads within the structure to contain a major pressure loss would be a given, even for a structure in the benign (compared to ocean and stratosphere) vacuum of space.
Not really, the hull does not depressurize quickly. the pressure differential is very low, so air evacuates surprisingly slowly. the iss famously had a puncture 1/3 inch in diameter and the crew waited a day to repair it. When talking about hundreds of thousands of cubic meters of air, it would take well over a week for air to drop to dangerous levels from even a basketball sized hole. So two sections, along with evacuation craft, is all that should be necessary for a very safe design.
probably gonna have a self sealing exterior similar to fuel tanks on planes
I have sort of armature skills in Sketchup as well as Blender, and most of it is creating interesting curved geometry and structures, including the torus. I would love to work on some interior stuff if possible...
Learn how to let your spell-checker get amateur properly spelled and your proposal will sound a bit more rational.
@@everettlwilliamsii3740 WOW you are so small-minded!
@@everettlwilliamsii3740 he's talking about armature, you amateur
I love his optimism. We need more folks like this in the world
We need visionaries like this to make the future a reality. A genius with practical applications. This is true American innovation. Go for it!
Thats really cool , i love it , and while the current old space station was a good learning device , building something big like this is the only way forward imo.
To make progress in building more space habs , you need to have plenty of space move around , live and work , and you need more worker bees .
The construction idea is brilliant .
You need at least 1000m of diameter or you spin faster than 2rpm which can cause motion sickness
I always dreamed of making habitable stations like this but instead have them underwater or underground, of course they would need to be more structurally sound for the weight on them..
These designs are awesome, keep making them you legend.
This building method sounds very cool. I'm wondering are welding these panels together or is there another method of putting it together.
Wow! Very ambitious. Good luck! God speed. 🚀🙏🏼
Ambitious is quite an understatement frankly. It's a cool idea but there isn't much here beyond a few big ideas without the foundation of real-world research. Don't get me wrong, though, I think this is a really cool idea! I mean who doesn't want to see a giant artificial gravity space station in orbit right?
@@SebastianWellsTLhow do you know they don’t have real world research on this? Just because they don’t include all information in a video covering just the concept doesn’t mean they don’t have the information. +most of it is most likely proprietary information.
Be ambitious @@SebastianWellsTL
This is great thinking, we are going to have to seriously start considering how to build very large stations like this. Maybe not in our immediate future but maybe a hundred years away as we move past Mars.
And who says there's 100 years left?
Affordable fossil fuels will run out sooner. Sorry, no Mars for humankind. We spent all our resources on cars and phones.
@@Grace4_AllHPC maybe not for you but for the rest of humanity...
Ambition drives innovation, innovation drives creativity, and creativity drives effort, and finally effort drives success. This generation needs to understand how space is important. We are too comfortable with being average.
Colonel Gerard K O'Neil documented some of this back in the 50's. His concept was to use something like starship as the actual components of the torus. You remove the nose and tail and use the remaining tube and pressure vessel. You connect them head to tail to make a ring.
I love this. I think it’s a fantastic solution. I also tend to agree with the timeline if its approached with the same level of gusto as Space X applies.
I also think in the long term the manufacturing of space ports will occur in the Mars orbit not Earths. The level of energy/effort differential between escaping Mars orbit vs Earth is huge. Also a lower terrestrial “normal” gravity value means there’s a lower amount of energy to achieve that level in artificial environments.
I have some questions:
*How many tons are needed to be delivered to space to construct the Vera space station?(to understand how much money is required for the delivery)
*How is the Sargon transported and assembled in space and how much does it weight?
That's the big question. In the video we see starship carrying packs of module plates. It seems that each pack is 10 pcs and the rocket carry about 15 packs + some batteries. So let's say 150 plates. (It feels very little but as we don't have the size of the plates it's hard to say.)
The small thorus has 84 panel rings. Each ring is made of 32 panels. So 2688 panels. So that would be 18 starship launches for the small thorus. The big one is probably 100 starship launches.
Then add the floors. There's probably twice+ as much surface in the floor than in the thorus. So let's say 40 starship for the floors. Though maybe floors are lighter than thorus wall? Hard to say. So let's add maybe 40 starships for the interior and extra margins.
That's a total of 100 starships to make the small thorus. At $10M a launch that would be $1B investment. Without material cost, engineer cost and so on and so on.
I think logistics is going to be the hardest or most time consuming part of this. I guess once the factory and panels are placed in orbit which will take a good year or so minimum building will go quick. I'm a little confused on how assembly is done. Automated through a program or remote or will there be a astronaut team overseeing from the iss for the first section u til its livable?
@@TheSTARGATER1 Costs are a much bigger problem than time.
@@isaacdorfman At this level, what even is money?
@@pierreboyer9277 ..or only 5 starships from Moon surface, I guess. Assuming there are mining and production facilities on the Moon surface.
I understand your concept and it is quite viable; I have a couple of suggestions that may help:
Build a modular station as a jumping off point. Use said modular station as a dock and storage for materials. design a mining ship that is remotely monitored and controlled by a small team and then build a dozen or so of them. The trip to the asteroid belt is a while on its own and you may need a refueling station at least once, maybe twice, along the path, depending on how much burn time is needed. Near the belt have a refining yard that will be manned by the operators of the miners and another dozen or so personnel. to operate the refineries and the station itself. Use the mined materials to build and shape the panels, sending back a load at a time to the dock & storage location. It will cost you less in the long run to do it this way than to keep sending materials from the surface. As a bonus, any excess/unused material can be sold off and lowered into orbit.
Ice can also be extracted to make at least 3 required items: Water, oxygen, and hydrogen. The hydrogen can have multiple uses, not the least of which would be fuel for the thrusters on the ships and to power hydrogen power plants to help offset solar power. The hydrogen power plants would also be able to run induction furnaces for refining the minerals in the asteroid belt.
Creating a hydroponics system will help scrub out the CO2 and provide vegetable foods. Raising animals such as rabbits and fowl will also provide non-veg protein which will be required to help maintain muscle mass. The human and animal waste can be dehydrated and chopped up to become a basis for fertilizer for said hydroponics system. The additional animal products from the rabbits (fur, bone) and fowl (eggs, feathers, bone), will also be useful to those above systems.
Your biggest issues would be entertainment and ensuring positioning. The latter is easy enough if beacons are placed at key points to help guide astro-navigation.
Just the way i would approach the situation.
Amazing stuff!! Keep up the great work!! 🌌
What about twisted "grid" for equal sized panels, and vertical (instead of frontal) feed of the construction machine ( like the new starlinks will be deployed )
and cold welding? (screwing the panels together and leave the rest to the metal bonding phenomenom)
Cold welding would work if the panels were manufactured off-world/in an oxygen-free environment, but since they're shipping it up from Earth they would need to remove the oxide layer. Additionally, AFAICT cold welding is less controllable/precise than doing it the old-fashioned way, and that's something you don't want when you're forming a pressure vessel to support life
Quite a vision. I would love to see it happen.
Great, at LMSC we analysed similar configurations ad simulations showed the need to put in plane rails in the radial tubes to accomodate the lateral coriolis side forces proportional to the velocity to the outer torus travel and on the opposite side to return to the hub docking facility. A significant lateral load, when transfering 'heavy' equippment. That determined the lateral missalignment , a relative rotation of the inner hub to the outer torus, best using cables like the spokes on a bicycle wheel.
One thing popped out at me from the animation.
Going to have to capture /control all the splatt:er from welding or it will become dangerous debis.
Will be interesting to weld in space.
Love the confidence and ambition, the future needs these commodities.
I've said for years that dedication to expanding into space would be an economy boon for the entire planet. Even if a company is not directly involved in the space realm, they can support and cater to those who are. Affordability is key. You can have a veratine but it will still need supplies to manufacture orbital stations. Those supplies will have to come from Earth or viable asteroid mining. My lifetime seems a great deal shorter than the reality of this / these projects becoming a reality by 2030.
Tube stations or Egg stations do sound like intriguing ideas.
Adding gravity could definitely enhance the experience, whether through a gravity pulse field, turbine driven, or something similar involving iron balls with magnetic aid.
It's a fascinating concept that could revolutionize space habitats.
Wow, this is some next level stuff. Great ambitions, I hope they become realized.
a vessel of this size would be affected quite substantially be tidal forces which would have an impact on the construction phase significantly.
This is an incredible vision and I can’t wait to see this incredible machine start pumping out space stations and spaceports!
@@jessepollard7132 Good point. Completing the last section would be tricky, but I imagine it would break apart in sections then reassemble and move to the next location.
Just amazing how nobody in the world have never thought about it.
He must be a genius.
Not saying this is impossible but it’ll be a damn fun challenge. I’d absolutely love to be part of that team.
Props to you we need more people like you!! Keep the ambition alive
I waited until orbital construction made a truss-a-lator ended up buying stock at almost double the initial offering. Which makes it all the more tempting to buy Gatewayspaceport stock now!
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Like Elon bought into startups and made the money he has now
@@TheSilmarillian Do you need money to buy into something. I hear owning Emerald mines going to help with that especially if you use child labor. Or your mom or successful model or your family just so happen to be part of the ruling race in the country you live in you know using the other races as second-class Citizens . Or you know maybe that's a Mandela effect
@@jeffhaggarty9879 Elons father invested in a company that dealt wtih blood diamonds, no one was really aware of it at the time and he lost all his money on the deal anyway. Elon never personally benefited in any way from that and its a pretty big reach to say that its somehow responsible for all his success. Quit your bullshit.
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How many launches to get the "builder" into orbit, how long to build it and how far along is the company with the "autonomous drones" as shown in the video, how many launches to get the materials into orbit particularly as your expecting to build a ring in a hour? Your seriously going to need a LOT of starships. Good luck to you but I really think your massively overestimating your build and safety schedule, let alone R&D on the ground before even a panel is launched.
You really wouldn’t need that many starships to get feed the construction bots.
You don't like engineering challenges? This looks doable for the right group of engineers
@@Justin-pb8sx I have no problem with engineering challenges but the time scale they are working to is way out there when you look at what they are promising in the video.
@@devilmaycare2809 true, 👍
I think the biggest issue is the durability of the welds, and a lot of the space based physics of the machine itself. When you move the builder, it will cause movements in the entire structure, because there is nothing to push off of in space, without thrust. If you use thrust, the problem with that is it would cause a plethora of small forces here and there along the stream of the thrust, which can cause some potentially catastrophic issues. Another issue is you would need a completely different apparatus to finish the final segments to close it off, and you would also have to install everything inside. Now what about things that need to be inside, that need to be built inside? You'd need those things in there before completion, which means they'd be exposed to the vacuum of space, which for many components is a bad thing, because vacuum can cause things like cold welding, electrical discharges, massive temperature shifts, etc. So you'd also have to design these things effectively encased in their own space suits to be removed after the station is up and running. There's just so much more to the logistics than the panels.
But the real issue is this doesn't really do things any better than we could do with inflatables. With inflatables we can create huge volumes in a single go, using the atmosphere itself as a support structure, and from there we can reinforce it in many different ways, both from the outside and inside, even adding the ability to attach a shell around it to completely enclose inflatables.
And another issue is, do we really need a giant space station? We'd be better off creating a series of smaller inflatables that can be chained together in a ring.
VERA should still have airtight bulkheads to be used to isolate segments of the station if necessary due to decompression damage caused by any errant projectiles or machines.
A ring space station could be done thru extruders .. Then a second machine can produce the internal truss structure with a third machine laying or extruding wall panels
Thank you for sharing your vision
And yes what an exciting time to be alive.
I wonder how much material mass is required for Sargon to complete the paneling for a torus construction… Also how do you check for quality ensuring the panels are welded or fastened correctly?
Probably send astronauts on a crewed dragon
Talk about the materials and how the station will keep the crew safe from environment and emergency's. Stations also need a way to maneuver how will this work? How will you keep the orbit constant if the construction is constantly moving?
I love everything about this pitch. I am down and willing to become a member and a crew... I see this guy doing big things. Hell next he's gonna be building space crafts.
Suggestion: for each of those cartridges (the yellow compartments that you load stacks of panels into), maybe you could design them to be tall enough to fit a few more panels more than the quantity of panels that will be loaded for each delivery. That way, production won't have to stop while you reload cartridges with new panels, because a cartridge won't have to first be emptied for a new stack of panels to be reloaded.
Good idea in general, however I could imagine that the so-called panel cartridges may be replaced with a full one once the last panel has been taken out for mounting and welding, so there would be some time before contruction would need to stop. This time span would depend on the time needed to mount and weld a single panel. That may be a short time window, but of course, w/o more information, we cannot say for sure how long that time spam would be.
The system would, of course, be completely dependent upon its supply chain stability.
This is amazing. I want to get involved with this industry. The pace of advancement is accelerating fast and every new technology is multiplying that pace. Just like aviation! In the beginning it guys like Hughes did everything. But as more and more people got on board aeronautical technologies expanded at light speed. I expect the same to happen with space!
Hell yes!
@@bIametheniIe Yeah it's a total scam.
If all this is possible right now, why are we not all working together to reach a common goal. What's holding us back. Are Space X and Gateway working together, and if not, why not? Remember, united we stand, divided we fall. if we want to lead in the Space race, we need to work together.
The issue is not the design or the manufacturing capability, but rather where are you getting all the raw materials from? From a materials standpoint iot would be easier to capture a reasonable sized asteroid and convert it.
Ever since I was little, I've had it in my mind that I would at least be a large part of what creates the first large construction structures in space such as shipyards. Seeing that this tech is coming along nicely only increases that feeling that it will all line up for me properly with a bit more time.
Make sure you spend a great deal of time in electromechanical engineering and Technology. Definitely learn how to troubleshoot complex Electronics and have a thorough understanding of robotics.
Invest all your money.
I am sure you will get great returns.
And then you will be able to build your own base.
Good luck, hope you get to do that!!
This type of project begins as a dream, a vision. We made it to the moon in less than 10 years with the limited technology of the '60's and intense focus. With today's level of technology and similar focus how can this not cause enough excitement in us that we turn away from it?
That's the main problem, lack of focus. Back then our main goal was beating the Russians, what goal do we have now? Making humanity a multi-planet species, a nice dream, but that's not going to loosen Congressional purse strings.
I agree, but im skeptical because this type of technology has always been “ten years away”. Theyve been promising cool space stations and moon bases since the 60s and we havent even as much as stepped foot back on the moon, much less set up a permanent base there. Our international space station is also going to shit with old age and is in dire need of a replacement. Im mainly skeptical because of our lack of interest and progress when it comes to space in the last 5 decades. Hopefully it will change will this renewed focus, but im not holding my breath.
Can you see the building of the space stations and getting them transported to other major planets in our solar system? WOW!
This is the foresight we need at NASA!
Forgetting the basic engineering rule. Plot out your most reasonable timeline to completion. Then multiply that by 4 for all the unexpected disasters, problems and general unplanned for bits that turned out to be totally necessary but wasn't really inked out in the initial design. "Know all those load bearing struts that make up part of the core structure... yeah, turns out the alloy wasn't mixed right due to a mis-communication with the fabricator. What we put together will have to be taken apart and redone." That sort of thing always happens on a major new project.
I have high hopes for this, and will be watching with great interest
Can you expand more on what safety procedures and measures you have in place internally, for example a small rock hits the outer ring and knocks a few panels out also what preventative measures as in radar and will the base be completely run by AI and what safety measures will be put in place regarding that.
Fantastic project and obviously a step in the right direction.
Kesler syndrome.
Every micrometers can start such a chain reaction .
Great ideas though
Not AI, no. Each station is so big it would be like it’s own city, so I assume it’d have its own government
@@gravneyrichardson3507 Should be built with Escape Pods in a few rectangular shells in the circle torus so in an emergency they can jettison out and of course you need a way to either move the pod to the next inner or outer torus or to another torus via internal jets or emergency vehicle.
I also see that you can use the center portion for more scientific and zero gravity manufacturing processes
It would be fascinating to get a general idea of the cost of the first one.
Would it be possible to connect a dozen or more of these stations together along the Z axis to form a 'cigar' - and then give it propulsion sufficient to get that cigar to - say - Mars and then put the cigar into orbit around Mars as a staging post for the colonisation of Mars? Rather than sending 1000 starships send one multi-torus cigar propelled by - say - a few dozen docked starships - which then act as the ferries to and from the Mars surface?
We’d need a fusion engine the size of newyork to power that 😂😂 I’m not saying it’s impossible I’m just saying we could first connect them along the X axis and make it smaller as we go up in either direction, boom, Gita station, and a moon lol plus itd has its own gravitational center it would spin on its own and have enough mass to pull dust in from space to form a ring or rings…
@@RandomGamer-qy6ys "We’d need a fusion engine the size of newyork to power that"
Oh - you did the maths did you?
And how exactly does a "fusion engine" work to create thrust?
Project Orion spat nuke bombs out the back - what would a fusion engine spit out the back? (assuming we don't have to wait another 30 years for fusion to work - if ever)
@@ejbh3160 not bombs this time we’d need a tokamak reactor that was really big 😂 to funnel out its power into a magnetic field which we could concentrate into a beam of pure plasma hotter than the core of the sun. Then we’d need enough deuterium to power it and a energy field to stop the radiation of a reactor the size of new York from designating us. The cigar would then have to not get shredded by dust since it’s so big. Going at those speeds would me lethal. Without an energy shield (:
@@ejbh3160 reactor size is a rough estimate for a ship that size it would be like moving the United Kingdom on a boat with one engine using the starship idea you proposed plus they wouldn’t have enough fuel or power
@@RandomGamer-qy6ys what makes you think tokamak's will ever achieve a sustained fusion reaction?
You know I just realized this but the orbital construction ring could also build an O’Neil cylinder as well
I loved this video. Yes, the ambition is infectious, and that's what's needed for commercial space development. First toruses then ships and cylinders. Gateway facilities are launch points for asteroid and planetary colonies. The dawn of the 22nd century could be far more optimistic than the slow decay that has plagued the dawn of the 21st. I hope all of us dreamers can see his futuristic vision as I do. Commercial space infrastructure can save this planet in ways that social welfare never could. His goals are an epiphany that breeds hope for humanity. We are destined to become the first interplanetary species!
So many acronyms! Problem with continuous volume, is depressurization. Multiple small modules, are compartmentalized, lose one without losing the whole.
Lots of issues with the ring builder. It speeds things up, but would require many launches before building one sub ring.
Easier to modify starships in space and use them as modules.