As an engineer, I’m just wondering how much was saved by not applying an easy sheet of metal below the trim hole. And then I remember it’s probably like $1 for materials and $1 for assembly (or something like that)
Literally would have been better if they dropped that phrase all together at this point. Also that plate should simply not exist, as well as the holes, then the screws should be rivets
"unexposed holes" I will forever remember this, you actually made my jaw drop in under 2 minutes. This is why I love your channel despite having no interest in locks.
Stealth: "There are no exposed holes!" LPL: "So what you're saying is there are some unexposed holes." --gets out prybar--- Stealth: "Damn you and your lawyerly logic!"
I won't lie, I don't have lawyerly logic myself, but when LPL mentioned the thing said "no exposed holes", my own mind went "So, there's some barely covered ones?"
I've been subscribed long enough to read (and indeed write) the "it never is" comments. So it wasn't that surprising that he didn't say it. Also, he may have given the security flaw its worst critique by simply assuming his audience knows it's not a fluke.
I think it absolutely was a fluke. His second try took maybe twice as long (not that that's much longer lol), so I think he accidentally bumped the mechanism when he was still just trying to get enough wire into the hole.
It sure feels like often the design is more about fulfilling legal obligations than to actually act as a safe. Aimed at people who want to leave their handgun unsecured but are legally required to at least pretend to care.
They do the job they were designed for - covering your legal liability about having unsecured guns lying around the house - so that's all the manufacturer cares about. (Note I am not a lawyer.)
Eh. "Scam" is too harsh in this case. Yes, it's an oversight that they should fix, but it's not an obvious flaw, and they clearly tried to make something decent.
This reminds me of when I was a "Curious adolescence" trying to crack my own safe, I couldn't see the mechanism but I knew where it was so I grabbed an old coat hanger and opened it. I do have to note that this was a safe children got from the bank to promote saving so safety wasn't it's main objective.
Did that with a car I was about to sell as I'd locked both sets of keys inside because the keys in my hand were actually for my new 4x4. Used a wire coat-hanger down between the glass and window-seal, hooking the linkage on the 1st attempt!
I had a plastic safe from a bank once. But the adhesive they used to glue in the back was pretty shoddy(probably because the thing was vintage), so I started removing the back panel whenever I wanted to get to my money, because I was too lazy to put in the combination. But it was also pretty easy to open by feel.
Yea I totally broke into my safes as a kid. To be fair first one had a easy release built for parents that forgot the code. The second one was the old trustee pocket knife in key spot trick. The third one was actually a locker style lock, required googling the pull and turn technique.
That's how hobbies usually start. You start to wonder how it works, next thing you know the TV in the living room is completely disassembled and your mom is screaming her head off.
This channel is more or less a way to promote Covert Instruments. Most of the single pin pickings are done with something from the Genesis Set, while specialized tools are done with something from the Covert Companion. Even this video, which is usually done with everyday objects, worked a Covert ad into it. Pretty much the only time he doesn't use a Covert tool is when he's doing tubular locks.
When I was 8 years old, som 30+ years ago, I destroyed a locked 5-drawer steel file cabinet to see what was inside by pulling on the drawers until the locking lever bent. That took about 20 to 30 minutes of concerted effort, so I don't think this safe would have kept me out for half that.
"That got the lawyer in me thinking..." This got an audible laugh out of me as someone who, for a living, works with very specific technical language. No "exposed" holes huh... wonder if I can expose some. And judging by the state of that flashing after removal, I bet you could replace it in such a way that the owner doesn't know it has been opened, so this definitely fits my definition of "non-destructive entry."
He broke the glue joints off camera, then made it look easy with his pry bar he sells. Epoxy that plate back on. Looks like a good safe to me. A lot better than other's he's given a pass to, like that piece of sht Vaultek from the other day
@@CaptainRon1913 better look again plastic push on tabs that simi lock it in place, and it's easy to see the pry bar was a perfect chose to press it open 😺
@@darrellhart9363 if you look "again" you can see the spots where glue was originally applied on the plastic cover plate. LPL may have put some force into separating the glue spots , or it could be poor glue, poorly applied. We can't tell.
@@stevevernon1978 Simi stick glue is the only one that would not snap that thin plastic as most plastic glued weld the plastic. If you look it has push clips on four corners and line on slots and pins In the middle. I have taken apart similar fronts and they seam to all use the same lay out.
I LOVE LPLs thought process of, "Well if there aren't exposed holes, are there hidden ones?". To not say that's thinking "like a child" it's just keeping in mind more possibilities than an average adult. While (imo) an "average" adult would read 'no exposed holes' as a feature. Others could see it as a challenge of, "what secrets are you hiding? What can be exposed?" Love your vids dude, keep up the good work!
And the wording sounds very much like it's contrived to not mention something that should be a feature but isn't there yet, such as "no holes" or "no exposed things that shouldn't be". That's the lawyer thinking.
as seemingly easy as you make these methods look i'm sure there was a discovery phase before you made the video's. it would be interesting to see you go through how you figured out how to find the weakness in the first place. like in this video, how did you know to remove that panel? and it would give you an access hole? as informative as these are and i'm sure your trying to keep it short , sweet and to the point, how you got to this point would be interesting to see too :o)
My guess is he opened the safe and took note of where the catch holding the lid closed was and its direction of movement. Then examined the safe for features likely to conceal a hole (e.g. the trim piece), ideally near the known location of the catch. Finally having found a hole (or holes) feel around inside each for anything that might be part of the catch mechanism, and see if it can be pushed in the correct direction and if the box springs open when you do. Remember, he has a key so he can see inside and look at the mechanism, it would be much harder if you were given a locked one and asked to open it. He might also buy a second one and cut into it to get a closer look at the internals, gaining info that could be used to nondestructively open the other one. There’s a video where LPL opens a puzzle lock which might be illustrative of his process for attacking these.
Given his stated reason for looking for unexposed holes, that the amazon tags said no exposed holes, the thought process is relatively simple. It's "where can i find something that might be concealing a hole". From there, the trim piece, being clearly not an intergrated part of the safe, is the most obvious thing that could be concealing a hole. So you take it off, a trivial matter, and discover a number of holes. Stick something into the holes and you've found any exploit which exists. Could be to do with the code, the traditional cylinder, the lock mechanism, or the fingerprint scanner.
Bosnian Bill gave a pretty positive review of this same safe, pointing out a lot of things that had been done right. The interesting question is why did LPL notice this vulnerability and BB did not? I suspect that the answer to that question would tell us much about why the designers (who on BB's analysis had taken quite a lot of care) failed to notice and block this vulnerability (when they had noticed and blocked several others).
If I'm not mistaken: BB was giving a more general review, while LPL is specifically focused on picking anything he can (and released this video years later), and also BB didn't destructively break the bezel off (or instinctively destructively test anything for that matter) -- I myself assumed that the bezel was going to be fastened from behind in a way that would be somewhat durable.
LPL, I got to ask, how often do you leave reviews on Amazon for stuff like this and if so, how do you express yourself about the product? Also, how often do you get messages back from sells, if you get any. Curious to know how that tends to play out.
SwiftVault: we have an advanced security feature - no exposed holes in the safe. LPL: what a shame! Let's see how I can punish them for such expressions...
Over on TVTropes, that's called a Suspiciously Specific Denial. "There are no exposed holes!" "What about holes hidden behind something?" "We didn't say anything about those." It's similar to the way that if you see something like a product is guaranteed "under normal conditions", you really need to determine what they consider "normal".
I think you're shorting MacGyver here. "Look for something that conceals screws/holes/access mechanisms" is one of the first steps I take when trying to work on something I'm not familiar with and don't have a manual or schematic for. Give ole' Mac a bit of credit!
I honestly feel at this point that most lock manufacturer/designers are under the impression that thieves or curious adolescents, will only ever attempt to attack a device in the most obvious way possible. Like putting a 5ft thick steel door in the middle of a horse pasture and then acting completely shocked when someone just walks around the side of it.
Wow, one might think that they would at least have the plate bolted on the inside with welded bolts on the plate itself! I've picked all my life in public service and still l learn a lot from watching your videos. Great job 👍
Depending on how long it takes you to discover these vulnerabilities on new products, I'd love to see a video of your discovery process for a new item. What your thought process is, what you are looking for, etc. Do the actual first open of a new item and search for its weaknesses in real time. I'm betting manufacturers know that these vulnerabilities exist, but are banking on the fact that it takes someone with advanced skills and knowledge to search for, find, and then exploit them.
It's amazing what you can do with wire! Did anybody read the kids book The Great Brain, I believe it came out in the 1970s? That how I got into lock picking, in 3rd grade or so, 1974.
This is comic relief for those of us who are mechanically a simple piece of simi hard wire. I remember when you could use a coat hanger to open some of the older cars and pickups just needed to know where to go to unlatch the bar.
SwiftVault Engineer 1: "How can we prevent people from using these screw holes to break into our safe?" SwiftVault Engineer 2: "Let's drill some more holes so we can cover them up with a piece of plastic." SwiftVault Engineer 1: "Brilliant!" LPL: "You have become the very thing you swore to destroy!"
I'm always confused when a company does eveything except the basics. Like, would it really cost that much to put in one more plate to shield the mechanism from external attack? Is this really the kind of security people want to control a gun in their house?
Okay then. So, if the easily removed panel were to be glued down with say, an epoxy adhesive, would it then be a reasonably secure gun safe? Or better still, tamper screws or rivets?
Safety screws (tamper bits) are VERY easily removed. Rivets take a hacksaw and a flathead screwdriver. I mean, that's the non-destructive way to do it.
Yeah, it would be reasonably secure. At that point your not getting the plate off without doing a huge amount of damage with epoxy. The same goes for tamper screws as long as they are decent ones, just a tamper bit isn't going to do much since most of them are pretty easily bypassed but one way screws are a bitch to remove since you need to cut a slot in them to back them out. Rivets are probably overkill if I am being honest. The easy solution is just pop it off put a little bit of epoxy on the hole nubs and in the middle and push it down. At that point it is pretty much not coming off.
"California Approved." Guaranteed to be inadequate or have major flaw. *I'm a fifth generation native son of the Bear State. I get to make this assertion.
One thing they could have done was not put the holes there and use a self adhesive plate. Or even easier, it's a vanity plate and doesn't need to be there at all. Design the front panel so that it looks good without it, which eliminates the holes, and saves cost over the current design.
Oh blast, I missed you passing the *4 Million* number. Congratulations on reach that number Harry, you thoroughly deserve it and *Thank You* for all the enlightening and educational videos. You never fail to surprise. 👍👍
There was hardly any delay with the biometric, I thought that was a nice feature. Then of course, the wire was just as fast. Sorta a glorified shoebox at this price point. Always a thumb-up!
@@riba2233 I said nothing about trump and for the record california has had a very bad reputation(particularly for product approval) for decades You should look into the "known to the state of california to x,y,z" tests because often times they expose substances so far beyond natural or typical exposure to the point of being *meaningless*. To the point of if they applied it to sugar it would be a banned or extremely controlled substance.
@@riba2233 Largely it's that out of touch rich kids & smug assholes like creating insufferable amounts of bureaucracy and stifling anything that doesn't personally enrich them or further their power or means. All while shooting everyone else in the feet to ensure no competition can threaten their monopolies. The "Known to the state of California" thing is a "thing" precisely because it's a symptom of decades of stupid decision making and is indicative of the larger problems there. Anyway you go ahead and keep feeling superior while people exploit you, land and everything else in that psudo-intellectual Heroine-needle dumping ground. I'm outta here.
I wasn't pumped to see the gun safe I own on this channel with that thumbnail image and such a short video length lol. To their credit, I reached out to Stealth about this and they emailed me back right away, saying they were aware of this exploit and had redesigned the safe to address it. They then shipped me a new safe for free. So thanks, LPL, for helping to keep me and mine a little safer (pun intended, of course). Looking forward to your April Fool's video 👍
It is amazing that in the recommended to the right of this video is a Bosnian Bill review of this gun safe (1790) Review: Stealth SwiftVault 2.0 from October 10, 2020 in which he gives it very high praise.
@LPL with as much knowledge as you have with defeating locks, you could probably invent a lock that could never be picked. This SwiftVault hack is appalling… I think how easy it would be for a curious kid to get into this “safe”. Thank you for another “buyer beware” video!
A video I'd like to see is one with some advice on modifying a safe/lockbox to make it more secure. For example, the safe in my office is a fairly cheap ($100) model I bought off the shelf at a sporting goods store. The security features in it were basically laughable, but it was a steel box with an electronic lock. As a result I spend about another $30-$40 modifying it so that it is fairly secure. I replaced the locking cylinder with one that took more than a paperclip to open (probably the most expensive part of the upgrade), I used a bent piece of sheet metal to shield the combination change button, and moved the solenoid wires so you couldn't access them by pulling off the keypad. Ad a result I feel like I have a pretty secure lockbox for about $140. Granted, it's not so secure that It would stop someone who is really determined, but It's also not something you can just pop open if a couple seconds either
@@littlehills739 I adjusted the solenoid to mitigate the bump attack (I tried several times and couldn't get it to open). However I'm not sure how to prevent a magnet attack, without replacing the solenoid with something like a servo. Doing something like that would probably require reprograming the microcontroller, which is a bit out of my skill set.
@@jabradford32 can u epoxy a chopping board to the door to create stand off. or brass sheet or alum to divert the fields. or just not tell people u have a safe or have a 2nd cheap safe as a brake this diversionary safe with coins wrapped up in covers to think there collectors.
0:15 "And features three opening methods." The only thing more absolutely brutal than this already solid beating presented in video format would have been to apply a verbal beating of, "And features FOUR opening methods."
What I like about LPL is that he purely focuses on curious kids when it comes to gun safes. Frankly, the boxes aren't that secure on their own. A thief could probably force it open or just outright take the whole box.
It's now the day after this video was posted and I no longer see this safe on amazon, it was there yesterday. Hopefully they are addressing the issue and not just pulling it until the publicity dies down. There definitely were people discussing this video in the q&a section for the product.
Not to mention the screws that hold the buttons in place are right there, remove them & the buttons will most likely drop in and give you four more larger holes to access the locking mechanism.
It should also have a bypass notice, so that if its not opened with the scan or code then there is an indicator that stays on untill its cleared using the code.
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The fact the manufacturer says "no exposed holes" suggests to me that they are aware that the unexposed holes pose a serious security threat.
As an engineer, I’m just wondering how much was saved by not applying an easy sheet of metal below the trim hole. And then I remember it’s probably like $1 for materials and $1 for assembly (or something like that)
They literally just covered up the issue.
Literally would have been better if they dropped that phrase all together at this point. Also that plate should simply not exist, as well as the holes, then the screws should be rivets
Or there was a previous version which was vulnerable via exposed holes, which was mitigated by covering the holes instead of fixing the vulnerability.
At least it wasn't covered with a sticker
"i was completely unaware that the absence of holes in a safe was either a new or advanced security feature" LOL
One of the best LPL quotes ever.
As an LPL fan and an employee of Stealth, this has been a really interesting day at work.
They gonna leave an official response here? Could be a great PR chance.
😂😂😂 rip your workplace 😬
Wait, they are still in business?
I would have thought they would file for bankruptcies.
@@bertjesklotepino MasterLock is still around, regardless of how often LOL pwns them....
just get rid of the trim and the holes for it's plastic legs (easier said than done, going to cost a lot to retool manufacturing, i know)
"unexposed holes"
I will forever remember this, you actually made my jaw drop in under 2 minutes. This is why I love your channel despite having no interest in locks.
Have you seen any of his Valentine’s or April Fool’s day videos? 😁
He needs to work this phrase into his next April 1 video.
Until you forget your key to a locker 😂
Also rule 34 is not a lie, you just aren’t looking hard enough 🤷
Same thing here with me. Not a locksmith but more a puzzle hobby make/break interest. 😁
Stealth: "There are no exposed holes!"
LPL: "So what you're saying is there are some unexposed holes." --gets out prybar---
Stealth: "Damn you and your lawyerly logic!"
We heard what he said, no point in repeating it
Those holes failed their stealth check.
I won't lie, I don't have lawyerly logic myself, but when LPL mentioned the thing said "no exposed holes", my own mind went "So, there's some barely covered ones?"
And I Would Have Gotten Away With It Too, If It Weren't For You Meddling Lawyers
@@Berat_Bora_Karakus ZOINKS!
LPL: "Let's do that one more time." Audience: "So you can see it was not a fluke! What? He didn't say it?"
That a fluke. That he didn't say that is.
🤣 I thought the exact same thing 🤣
I've been subscribed long enough to read (and indeed write) the "it never is" comments. So it wasn't that surprising that he didn't say it. Also, he may have given the security flaw its worst critique by simply assuming his audience knows it's not a fluke.
I think it absolutely was a fluke. His second try took maybe twice as long (not that that's much longer lol), so I think he accidentally bumped the mechanism when he was still just trying to get enough wire into the hole.
🤯
After watching LPL for a couple years now I’m pretty confident none of these gun safety manufacturers are watching the channel. They should.
You've got an inadvertent double negative there...
@@MaineHomeShop Thanks! Fixed it.
It sure feels like often the design is more about fulfilling legal obligations than to actually act as a safe. Aimed at people who want to leave their handgun unsecured but are legally required to at least pretend to care.
That Vaultek one he recently reviewed got fixed pretty quick, that's a positive. Some try, most give up and put more money into marketing.
LPL probably saved a few lives so far.
"If there aren't any "exposed holes", well, how about unexposed holes."
I think that's on this year's LSAT.
The little chuckle at 1:38 when he immediately opens the safe with the wire lmao
Yes, his amused surprise was great
Quicker than expected.
I missed it 'cuz I had an audible WOW come out of me.
He's so good he opened it by accident.
Maybe he chuckled because it was a fluke...
Master locks: Finally! A worthy opponent! Our vulnerabilities will be legendary!
Seems like you forgot about gun locks unlocked by twig or lego part
It's shocking how much of a scam these lock boxes are. These companies should be ashamed of themselves.
They are only meant to keep honest people away from their own guns. Because the government doesn't want honest people to have firearms.
They do the job they were designed for - covering your legal liability about having unsecured guns lying around the house - so that's all the manufacturer cares about.
(Note I am not a lawyer.)
@@DanStaal And honestly, that's all the customers really care about too
Eh. "Scam" is too harsh in this case. Yes, it's an oversight that they should fix, but it's not an obvious flaw, and they clearly tried to make something decent.
@@cuthbertallgood7781 Nothing about the product or video implies they 'clearly' tried, if anything it implies they know it's garbage ...
This reminds me of when I was a "Curious adolescence" trying to crack my own safe, I couldn't see the mechanism but I knew where it was so I grabbed an old coat hanger and opened it.
I do have to note that this was a safe children got from the bank to promote saving so safety wasn't it's main objective.
Equally as safe as this gun safe.
Did that with a car I was about to sell as I'd locked both sets of keys inside because the keys in my hand were actually for my new 4x4. Used a wire coat-hanger down between the glass and window-seal, hooking the linkage on the 1st attempt!
I had a plastic safe from a bank once. But the adhesive they used to glue in the back was pretty shoddy(probably because the thing was vintage), so I started removing the back panel whenever I wanted to get to my money, because I was too lazy to put in the combination. But it was also pretty easy to open by feel.
Yea I totally broke into my safes as a kid. To be fair first one had a easy release built for parents that forgot the code. The second one was the old trustee pocket knife in key spot trick. The third one was actually a locker style lock, required googling the pull and turn technique.
That's how hobbies usually start. You start to wonder how it works, next thing you know the TV in the living room is completely disassembled and your mom is screaming her head off.
I just love how google's auto CC calls you:
"This is the lock bikini lawyer..."
When he says "Covert Instruments pry bar" my mind immediately regress back to "Spaceballs: The Flamethrower"
Don't laugh, merchandising is everything. I remember the first merchandising product I bought: "Spaceballs: The Condom Variety Pack"
@@ohger1 but don't forget Kids Love the Flamethrower! And I'm sure Adults Love Covert Instruments: The Crowbar ;)
Spaceballs: The Doll. "May the Schwartz be with you." Isn't he adorable?
This channel is more or less a way to promote Covert Instruments. Most of the single pin pickings are done with something from the Genesis Set, while specialized tools are done with something from the Covert Companion. Even this video, which is usually done with everyday objects, worked a Covert ad into it.
Pretty much the only time he doesn't use a Covert tool is when he's doing tubular locks.
Indeed. I wonder if he at some point will open an Overt instruments as well, featuring thermite, a ramset and a .50 cal :P
When I was 8 years old, som 30+ years ago, I destroyed a locked 5-drawer steel file cabinet to see what was inside by pulling on the drawers until the locking lever bent. That took about 20 to 30 minutes of concerted effort, so I don't think this safe would have kept me out for half that.
0:50 i love his calm but sarcastic voice when he quotes the product description 😂
One wonders what sort of chaos that loosening those "non exposed" screws would cause
"That got the lawyer in me thinking..." This got an audible laugh out of me as someone who, for a living, works with very specific technical language. No "exposed" holes huh... wonder if I can expose some. And judging by the state of that flashing after removal, I bet you could replace it in such a way that the owner doesn't know it has been opened, so this definitely fits my definition of "non-destructive entry."
He broke the glue joints off camera, then made it look easy with his pry bar he sells. Epoxy that plate back on. Looks like a good safe to me. A lot better than other's he's given a pass to, like that piece of sht Vaultek from the other day
@@CaptainRon1913 better look again plastic push on tabs that simi lock it in place, and it's easy to see the pry bar was a perfect chose to press it open 😺
@@darrellhart9363 if you look "again" you can see the spots where glue was originally applied on the plastic cover plate. LPL may have put some force into separating the glue spots , or it could be poor glue, poorly applied. We can't tell.
@@stevevernon1978
Simi stick glue is the only one that would not snap that thin plastic as most plastic glued weld the plastic.
If you look it has push clips on four corners and line on slots and pins In the middle.
I have taken apart similar fronts and they seam to all use the same lay out.
@@darrellhart9363 that is a plastic to metal interface. Probably cheap glue.
I LOVE LPLs thought process of, "Well if there aren't exposed holes, are there hidden ones?".
To not say that's thinking "like a child" it's just keeping in mind more possibilities than an average adult.
While (imo) an "average" adult would read 'no exposed holes' as a feature. Others could see it as a challenge of, "what secrets are you hiding? What can be exposed?"
Love your vids dude, keep up the good work!
"I didn't know that a safe having no holes was a new and advanced feature."
And the wording sounds very much like it's contrived to not mention something that should be a feature but isn't there yet, such as "no holes" or "no exposed things that shouldn't be". That's the lawyer thinking.
I literally just bought one of these after seeing a Bosnian Bill review of the same safe calling it fairly secure. Now I'm... I don't know. Not happy.
Video number?
@@johndododoe1411 1790
bill walked so LPL could run
"No unexposed holes" seems like a perfect theme for an April Fool's Day video :)
MANUFACTURER: "No exposed holes."
LOCKPICKINGLAWYER: "...and I took that personally."
No exposed holes?..... sounds like his valentines day, ex gf, no backdoor entry video.
The spankings you give lock manufacturers is always a joy to watch.
as seemingly easy as you make these methods look i'm sure there was a discovery phase before you made the video's.
it would be interesting to see you go through how you figured out how to find the weakness in the first place.
like in this video, how did you know to remove that panel? and it would give you an access hole?
as informative as these are and i'm sure your trying to keep it short , sweet and to the point, how you got to this point would be interesting to see too :o)
He has a few videos about puzzle locks that are in that format. None about any "serious" locks though as far as I'm aware
My guess is he opened the safe and took note of where the catch holding the lid closed was and its direction of movement. Then examined the safe for features likely to conceal a hole (e.g. the trim piece), ideally near the known location of the catch. Finally having found a hole (or holes) feel around inside each for anything that might be part of the catch mechanism, and see if it can be pushed in the correct direction and if the box springs open when you do. Remember, he has a key so he can see inside and look at the mechanism, it would be much harder if you were given a locked one and asked to open it. He might also buy a second one and cut into it to get a closer look at the internals, gaining info that could be used to nondestructively open the other one. There’s a video where LPL opens a puzzle lock which might be illustrative of his process for attacking these.
I think most his discoveries have been made decades ago...
Given his stated reason for looking for unexposed holes, that the amazon tags said no exposed holes, the thought process is relatively simple. It's "where can i find something that might be concealing a hole". From there, the trim piece, being clearly not an intergrated part of the safe, is the most obvious thing that could be concealing a hole. So you take it off, a trivial matter, and discover a number of holes. Stick something into the holes and you've found any exploit which exists. Could be to do with the code, the traditional cylinder, the lock mechanism, or the fingerprint scanner.
Well, yeah, obviously. He's not here to waste our time, he just wants to show us the good stuff.
So it has 4 opening methods, not 3. What a bargain.
Mista hate that
🤣🤣🤣
Bosnian Bill gave a pretty positive review of this same safe, pointing out a lot of things that had been done right. The interesting question is why did LPL notice this vulnerability and BB did not? I suspect that the answer to that question would tell us much about why the designers (who on BB's analysis had taken quite a lot of care) failed to notice and block this vulnerability (when they had noticed and blocked several others).
If I'm not mistaken: BB was giving a more general review, while LPL is specifically focused on picking anything he can (and released this video years later), and also BB didn't destructively break the bezel off (or instinctively destructively test anything for that matter) -- I myself assumed that the bezel was going to be fastened from behind in a way that would be somewhat durable.
LPL, I got to ask, how often do you leave reviews on Amazon for stuff like this and if so, how do you express yourself about the product? Also, how often do you get messages back from sells, if you get any. Curious to know how that tends to play out.
part of me wish he return those safes with a notes mentionning the flaws
At this point I believe that lock companies and any company involved with secure storage should have a mandatory seminar where they watch your videos.
Next episode :
Pentagon vault door opened with icecream cone
I think he is the one guy that kept the skeleton key in Skyrim.
😂😂
Come on, you know he'd need a screwdriver for that one.
Or the ice cream scoop...and all the loot loaded into the EM-50 outside...
Fort Knox. Not sure what you would want from the Pentagon vault, if there is such a thing...lol ..
This channel is the gift that keeps on giving years after my first video!
*"no exposed holes"*
Stealth just out here using a self report as advertising material
SwiftVault: we have an advanced security feature - no exposed holes in the safe.
LPL: what a shame! Let's see how I can punish them for such expressions...
Geez! How do these companies get away with building garbage and false advertising. Thank you for the videos sir 🇦🇺
The description was pretty accurate. There are no exposed holes. So he went after the unexposed holes.
No. No. They were advertising nothing false. Those holes were certainly not exposed in the intended configuration of the safe.
What was false? I think you misunderstood the video
Over on TVTropes, that's called a Suspiciously Specific Denial.
"There are no exposed holes!"
"What about holes hidden behind something?"
"We didn't say anything about those."
It's similar to the way that if you see something like a product is guaranteed "under normal conditions", you really need to determine what they consider "normal".
The majority of this junk is made in china. They do not care whether their products are of good quality or not - they just want your money.
All 6 of those holes are used to secure that plastic face. They literally made the safe unsafe just to put a plastic cover on it.
"The lawyer in you" is very insightful
He literally “MacGyvered” that safe.
I think you're shorting MacGyver here. "Look for something that conceals screws/holes/access mechanisms" is one of the first steps I take when trying to work on something I'm not familiar with and don't have a manual or schematic for. Give ole' Mac a bit of credit!
Hey, he sort-of likes the backup lock key!
Well at least that's something in their favor.
I honestly feel at this point that most lock manufacturer/designers are under the impression that thieves or curious adolescents, will only ever attempt to attack a device in the most obvious way possible. Like putting a 5ft thick steel door in the middle of a horse pasture and then acting completely shocked when someone just walks around the side of it.
Wow, one might think that they would at least have the plate bolted on the inside with welded bolts on the plate itself! I've picked all my life in public service and still l learn a lot from watching your videos. Great job 👍
Once again, you have left me speechless Mr. LPL.
Depending on how long it takes you to discover these vulnerabilities on new products, I'd love to see a video of your discovery process for a new item. What your thought process is, what you are looking for, etc. Do the actual first open of a new item and search for its weaknesses in real time.
I'm betting manufacturers know that these vulnerabilities exist, but are banking on the fact that it takes someone with advanced skills and knowledge to search for, find, and then exploit them.
Nice video love these!
Your videos are so straightforward and educational. Thank you.
Thanks for the video, always enjoy watching!
It's amazing what you can do with wire! Did anybody read the kids book The Great Brain, I believe it came out in the 1970s? That how I got into lock picking, in 3rd grade or so, 1974.
That was a good series.
He opens things with pieces of aluminum cans, forks, soda bottles, etc. His hammer tap trick is funny.
I don't know what is worse - the "advanced security" of this safe or the way it looks
it looks like a ps3
@@kitsooneesther8338 ps3? noooo. even ps1 looked better
a grade schoolers lunch box looks more secure than this thing
Music wire shaped like a note to pick a lock. Bravo
This is comic relief for those of us who are mechanically a simple piece of simi hard wire.
I remember when you could use a coat hanger to open some of the older cars and pickups just needed to know where to go to unlatch the bar.
SwiftVault Engineer 1: "How can we prevent people from using these screw holes to break into our safe?"
SwiftVault Engineer 2: "Let's drill some more holes so we can cover them up with a piece of plastic."
SwiftVault Engineer 1: "Brilliant!"
LPL: "You have become the very thing you swore to destroy!"
Manufacturer covers holes with removeable trim, LockPickingLawyer can see right through the disguise.
But can he see why kids love the taste of Cinnamon Toast Crunch?
@@Dexaan If the secret is behind a locked area than yeah.
Worse than that, those holes only exist to hold the protective trim.
Boy you amaze me with these gun safes you're the best brother
Also just poking fun I love the covert instruments cliché and the convenience of the website and show working together.
Manufacturer: "There are no exposed holes."
LPL: "Hold my prybar."
I'm always confused when a company does eveything except the basics. Like, would it really cost that much to put in one more plate to shield the mechanism from external attack? Is this really the kind of security people want to control a gun in their house?
Or just glue the plastic to a metal lid with no holes. Probably cheaper. It would be even cheaper to replace the plastic and glue with a sticker.
LPL, I really like it when you describe a few modifications to improve a lock. You sold me on ABUS padlocks, nice quality
That was straight up crazy quick to open!
Their claim was true. No exposed holes. They never claimed “no concealed holes”.
Okay then. So, if the easily removed panel were to be glued down with say, an epoxy adhesive, would it then be a reasonably secure gun safe? Or better still, tamper screws or rivets?
Safety screws (tamper bits) are VERY easily removed. Rivets take a hacksaw and a flathead screwdriver. I mean, that's the non-destructive way to do it.
Yeah, it would be reasonably secure. At that point your not getting the plate off without doing a huge amount of damage with epoxy. The same goes for tamper screws as long as they are decent ones, just a tamper bit isn't going to do much since most of them are pretty easily bypassed but one way screws are a bitch to remove since you need to cut a slot in them to back them out. Rivets are probably overkill if I am being honest.
The easy solution is just pop it off put a little bit of epoxy on the hole nubs and in the middle and push it down. At that point it is pretty much not coming off.
Auto generated captions introduced you as the "lock bikini lawyer" today. Which makes me extremely happy.
Thanks LPL
"California Approved."
Guaranteed to be inadequate or have major flaw.
*I'm a fifth generation native son of the Bear State. I get to make this assertion.
I sympathize with your pain.
Actually, it's really hard to shield that mechanism...when you're trying to pinch every penny possible.
One thing they could have done was not put the holes there and use a self adhesive plate.
Or even easier, it's a vanity plate and doesn't need to be there at all. Design the front panel so that it looks good without it, which eliminates the holes, and saves cost over the current design.
Oh blast, I missed you passing the *4 Million* number. Congratulations on reach that number Harry, you thoroughly deserve it and *Thank You* for all the enlightening and educational videos. You never fail to surprise. 👍👍
Over 4 million subs. CONGRATULATIONS!!! Keep up the great videos!
There was hardly any delay with the biometric, I thought that was a nice feature. Then of course, the wire was just as fast. Sorta a glorified
shoebox at this price point. Always a thumb-up!
"This California approved product..."
Ahh say no more, say no more.
California bad trump good reeeeeeeeeee
@@riba2233 I said nothing about trump and for the record california has had a very bad reputation(particularly for product approval) for decades
You should look into the "known to the state of california to x,y,z" tests because often times they expose substances so far beyond natural or typical exposure to the point of being *meaningless*. To the point of if they applied it to sugar it would be a banned or extremely controlled substance.
@@heartysquid ok, so that is the biggest issue? Lol
@@riba2233 Largely it's that out of touch rich kids & smug assholes like creating insufferable amounts of bureaucracy and stifling anything that doesn't personally enrich them or further their power or means. All while shooting everyone else in the feet to ensure no competition can threaten their monopolies.
The "Known to the state of California" thing is a "thing" precisely because it's a symptom of decades of stupid decision making and is indicative of the larger problems there.
Anyway you go ahead and keep feeling superior while people exploit you, land and everything else in that psudo-intellectual Heroine-needle dumping ground. I'm outta here.
Lock bikini lawyer!! Auto generated text was perfect at the beginning. I had the volume down and I had to turn it up just to check.
My man unlocked the mechanism so fast, he didn't even finish explaining how he was going to do it
I LOVE YOUU
Thank you LPL for making the home safer
Superb! A system that worked perfectly up until the moment it was needed
I wasn't pumped to see the gun safe I own on this channel with that thumbnail image and such a short video length lol. To their credit, I reached out to Stealth about this and they emailed me back right away, saying they were aware of this exploit and had redesigned the safe to address it. They then shipped me a new safe for free. So thanks, LPL, for helping to keep me and mine a little safer (pun intended, of course). Looking forward to your April Fool's video 👍
It is amazing that in the recommended to the right of this video is a Bosnian Bill review of this gun safe (1790) Review: Stealth SwiftVault 2.0 from October 10, 2020 in which he gives it very high praise.
You have an amazing talent sir, amazing. 👍
The lawyer in you is strong lol
Company “non exposed”
You “so there are..”
@LPL with as much knowledge as you have with defeating locks, you could probably invent a lock that could never be picked. This SwiftVault hack is appalling… I think how easy it would be for a curious kid to get into this “safe”. Thank you for another “buyer beware” video!
The safe wanted to open so badly it caught an expert locksmith off guard
I keep forgetting the lawyer part. Hell of a mix.
A video I'd like to see is one with some advice on modifying a safe/lockbox to make it more secure. For example, the safe in my office is a fairly cheap ($100) model I bought off the shelf at a sporting goods store. The security features in it were basically laughable, but it was a steel box with an electronic lock. As a result I spend about another $30-$40 modifying it so that it is fairly secure. I replaced the locking cylinder with one that took more than a paperclip to open (probably the most expensive part of the upgrade), I used a bent piece of sheet metal to shield the combination change button, and moved the solenoid wires so you couldn't access them by pulling off the keypad. Ad a result I feel like I have a pretty secure lockbox for about $140. Granted, it's not so secure that It would stop someone who is really determined, but It's also not something you can just pop open if a couple seconds either
Good idea! I'd also like to see tips on how to inexpensively upgrade an existing lock/safe. I think that fits into LPL's goals for consumers.
moved the solenoid wires so you couldn't access them by pulling off the keypad.....
did u stop it from having the bump open solenoid or magnet attack
@@littlehills739 I adjusted the solenoid to mitigate the bump attack (I tried several times and couldn't get it to open). However I'm not sure how to prevent a magnet attack, without replacing the solenoid with something like a servo. Doing something like that would probably require reprograming the microcontroller, which is a bit out of my skill set.
@@jabradford32 can u epoxy a chopping board to the door to create stand off. or brass sheet or alum to divert the fields.
or just not tell people u have a safe or have a 2nd cheap safe as a brake this diversionary safe with coins wrapped up in covers to think there collectors.
The fact that all the brands featured on this channel haven't been humiliated enough to improve blows my mind.
Oh man! You are the destroyer of all locks.
lol... "inner lawyer in me" - that was a good one "unexposed holes"
Quality Control work at it's finest.
0:15 "And features three opening methods." The only thing more absolutely brutal than this already solid beating presented in video format would have been to apply a verbal beating of, "And features FOUR opening methods."
What I like about LPL is that he purely focuses on curious kids when it comes to gun safes. Frankly, the boxes aren't that secure on their own. A thief could probably force it open or just outright take the whole box.
*now with new security feature* 🤣
Never picked a lock in my life, I'm just here for the standup comedy act.
It's now the day after this video was posted and I no longer see this safe on amazon, it was there yesterday. Hopefully they are addressing the issue and not just pulling it until the publicity dies down. There definitely were people discussing this video in the q&a section for the product.
it's like a cartoon villain that exposes their weakness on their own.
This needs to be A series… hand gun safes
Lockbox: No exposed holes!
LPL: Aha, you must have some unexposed holes then!
Now THAT is some lawyerin' there!
Love your videos, smooth as glass!! 607am and made me laugh when it popped open in a split second 🤣
Not to mention the screws that hold the buttons in place are right there, remove them & the buttons will most likely drop in and give you four more larger holes to access the locking mechanism.
Dang it. This just blows my mind. Looks like they worked on the wrong things. Gotta return mine.
It should also have a bypass notice, so that if its not opened with the scan or code then there is an indicator that stays on untill its cleared using the code.
Manufacturer: No exposed holes.
LPL: Hold my lockpicks.
product lives up to name. so stealthy youll never even know it was broken into
thank you
It’s insane that they actually told you what to look for
LPL: The bane of lousy engineers and quality control personnel. At the meeting of executive board today: "DAMN you, LPL!"
Of course a lawyer would find the loop hole in the company's claims.