The SECRET INVASION Avengers Movie We Never Got to See
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Secret Invasion started off as a decent spy thriller, before the show devolved into underused plot devices and cheap visual effects. But what if things had been different? What if Secret Invasion had been the Epic Culmination of Phase 4?
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This is a story that would have been
the perfect Avengers movie after Endgame. And it should have been the climactic event of Phase 4.
The reaction to Secret Invasion wasn’t great, for so many reasons. The biggest letdown, though, is how one of the coolest concepts from the comics was adopted.
Secret Invasion is one of the best crossover events in Marvel comics. And it’s a story fitting a big crossover event.
So we came up with how Secret Invasion should have been done in the MCU.
And Avengers 5 in phase 4 would have fixed so many things for the entire multiverse saga.
Alright, we all know that Secret Invasion was really disappointing, so I’m not going to pile on too much.
If you want to hear our thoughts on the show, watch our review that explains what went wrong.
Instead, let’s start by explaining why Secret Invasion needed to be an Avengers movie.
The comics version of Secret Invasion was about the Skrulls invading Earth. What makes it so unique is the reveal that Skrulls shapeshifted into many heroes. They infiltrated every team, as well as agencies like Shield.
But the really massive twist is that some heroes were replaced years before this event. Meaning that the Skrulls were pretending to be established heroes for a long time.
Doug: So that’s like Rhodey was a Skrull since Civil War, right?
Well, they tried to do this Skrulls twist with Rhodey in the show, but they messed it up. The reveal feels so empty and sloppy.
Anyway, the Skrulls were a huge threat, so all the Marvel heroes had to join forces and defeat them.
Secret Invasion was awesome, and it led to another great story that gave us supervillain teams like the Thunderbolts and the Dark Avengers.
A story that would have been a perfect fit for phase 5.
So you can see why Secret Invasion would have worked much better as an Avengers movie.
The MCU making a small-scale show that feels cheap and insignificant ultimately feels like such a waste of the fantastic story.
And there are some good adaptations of the story. The animated show Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes did the story really well. In fact, they did some things even better than the comics.
And Agents of Shield already made a much better version of Secret Invasion on television.
The fourth season deals with characters being replaced by imposters. Now while it’s robots and not Skrulls, the concept is the same.
There is that intense paranoia, characters we know and love might have been replaced. Take for example one of the best scenes of the season.
Fitz and Simmons - a couple who are in love - can’t trust each other because they believe the other might be an imposter.
This is exactly the kind of scene that would have saved Secret Invasion. This is the staple of the body snatcher concept.
This is pretty much non-existent in the MCU’s Secret Invasion. But we will have that in our version of the story.
Granted, doing a faithful adaption of Secret Invasion isn’t easy. Because there are a lot of characters, many of them are imposters, and it won’t be cheap.
But Secret Invasion cost over $200 million, that’s as much as most MCU movies.
Doug: This cost 200 million? They spent all that money on the Drax baby arm?
Well they basically filmed this show twice, instead of filming an Avengers movie once.
And this brings us to why we needed an Avenges movie in phase 4.
I understand why Marvel wants their Avengers movies to be these huge crossover events.
But by the point Avengers Kang Dynasty comes out, it will be 7 whole years since Endgame. 7 years!
This is the same time gap between the first Avengers and Endgame.
And it’s more than just the long wait, there’s a bigger problem.
We don’t know who the new Avengers even are. Is there even a team, or is it just an army of heroes now?
What is the dynamic between these heroes? Who’s the Tony of the saga, who’s the Steve? Can these heroes co-exist as a team in a world that lost half of the original Avengers? - Krátké a kreslené filmy
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Moon Knight should've been a movie.
The new average suck bad
Dang Ryan, Kevin fiege should call you for Marvel ideas, yours are better than theirs.
This Video is nonsense. All of teh Events, Secret Invasion, Dark Reign, Civil War, SecretWars etc should have been like the infinity trilogy and overarching Arc like in the Comic Books! Thats why the first 3 phases were a sucess but they now rush it all!
How many supplements and hangover cures does this joker take
Bro casually wrote an insanely better secret invasion script than marvel themselves
And the actual writers want more money
@@Ivan_Ooze I think part of the problem is the writers are being made to churn stuff out quickly.
Yup
And of most of phase 4, too
they hire writers who didnt read comics, kevin feige said.
Instead of the multiverse, this should have been the main idea after Endgame spread over the movies and tv shows.
Easily
Thank Disney for ruining Marvel from the start
Yup
Or instead of jumping 5 years to get to the end game show us skrull invasion in those 5 years
nah that would get old quicker than the multiverse stuff. We don’t need an entire marvel phase about skrulls lol
Love the new concept you all have drawn up. The MCU team at Disney should be hiring you for story write ups
YESSS
They should hire anyone besides the people they’re hiring. Feige had success creating writers and directors with no experience into high profile names.
The people he brought in for phase 4-5 have been so terrible.
im legit so so so confused why he changed it after it was SO PERFECT for up to 3 phases, u know how much movies that is in that period@@westcoastavenger
For real bro💀💀 I was hooked
Totally agree, this would have made a better movie just like The Eternals should have been like a 6 part series
It’s called eternals, not “the eternals”
@anonbinarylemon1556 its called "Eternals", not "eternals"
@@bangeranginretroman3064 it’s spelt “It’s called “Eternals”, not “eternals”
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Petty ahhhhh mf’s. The whole lot of ya. I love it.
Yet again Screen Crush has better ideas than the actual movies
Love how easily the story can be fixed, by simply one person, yet Disney lacks the feel to do that
Should Secret Invasion have been Avengers 5?
Ofc
im 50/50 on this
Yes. But they need to learn their old mistakes with Secret Invasion.
Absolutely. That’s how Reed Richards could have formed a machine to identify skrull that the government would later use on mutants. PERFECT Avengers, given that the Super Skrull was one of the Fantastic Four villains.
Heck yeah I didn't like how it was a 6 episode show I wish it was a movie because in the comics the avengers are part of the secret invasion storyline
Frankly Secret Invasion should have been Captain Marvel 2. Carol isn't very familiar with Earth's super heroes so her having to figure out who's a Skrull would have been more realistic especially with a budget that would have let them use more high profile characters. Plus her versus Super Skrull would have been more epic. Plus they could have back doored the Fantastic Four's origin with Gravik's machine. "The Marvels" should have been the plot of Ms Marvel season 2.
Wdym by Fantastic 4 origin by Gravik's machine?
@@loystonveigas9369Gravik's machine grants Skrulls powers. He had a database full of super human and alien powers. The extremists thing causes heat powers. Korg's powers were there which will be rock skin and super strength. Goot's powers grants stretching ability. Invsibility can be finagled from almost any source. Since humans don't have the ability to shape-shift it would serve the reason that if powers were granted buy the machine the person would only be able to phenotypically express one. These Powers could secretly be hidden with the characters until they go visit Nick Fury in space and then the Van Allen belt could activates them. But what do I know?
I'm actually even more sad that we won't ever see this dope story on the big screen
We just gotta wait for 50 years when they reboot the MCU and make a movie about it
@@AC-si2uu yup when I'll be happy to take my grandchildren then. Lmao
@@mwaigiftsalama5503 I think I'll wait a little longer for it to come out on streaming cause I probably won't be able to walk or drive or speak
@@AC-si2uu Yup, when it's on Disney+ extra.
Skrulls are boring
You came up with a better story than a bunch of Disney/Marvel writers did. Although I think almost anybody would have come up with a better plan than what they actually did.
This sounds soooo good. Definitely wish we’d gotten a secret invasion saga. There was so much potential that the show didn’t quite live up to!
What sucks is that it did a huge disservice to newer heroes such as Shang-Chi, Ms Marvel, Moon Knight, etc with the lack of an Avengers movie
Yeah it's really unfortunate because Shang-Chi was one of the better received projects post-Endgame, and he's not getting another movie until after Avengers: Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars. Sure the director of Shang-Chi will be busy directing the next Avengers movie, but Marvel is not following-up on Shang-Chi soon enough. Iron Man in contrast, had a lot more appearances in a short amount of time after he was introduced.
Why does everyone think every hero has to be an Avenger?
@@JDRamos213 Not every hero has to be an Avenger, but in the MCU, the Avengers movies are the connective tissue and the major events. The MCU makes most of the heroes Avengers.
Even Spider-Man and Black Panther are Avengers. And in the comics, Shang-Chi was also an Avenger as well as a member of quite a few other teams.
@@matthewk4912 If he wasn't an Avengers before the end of Avenger Vol. One then he's nothing more than a participant trophy Avenger
I think we'll see a lot more cross over stuff in phase 5, so, even though shang aint getting another movie for a while doesn't mean we won't see em for that entire time.
The other thing is, just like the previous commenter pointed out, not every character has to be an Avenger. They're absolutely setting up more team movies, but different teams. I can admit phase 4 wasn't the greatest but, I look at it like they're starting from scratch again with a slew of new heros. Comparing phase 4 to phase 3 ain't fair, ya gotta compare phase 4 to phase 1, but even that ain't a one to one.
I guess I'm just getting a bit tired of folk writing the mcu off as dead, when this new arc hasn't reeeaally gotten outta the gate yet. I'm sure by the end of phase 6 a lot of nay sayers will be eating their words.
I think it is a big error to treat the new Avengers as "the new Tony", "the new Steve", etc.
i think he just means who is going to fill the role of the leader/decision maker.
The new Avengers could never be Tony or Steve
he means "the new [character]" in a narrative sense. in the infinity saga, tony stark and steve rogers really were the 2 main characters. their comradarie, and later their conflict, is what tied the story threads together. of course, there were movies that had nothing to do with either of them (i.e the guardians and thor franchises) but they had their own individuals connections to the impending conflict (thanos for the guardians, the entire character of loki for thor) which ultimately led up to endgame, which is the finalization of rogers' and stark's character arcs.
Bilbo has a great line in The Lord of the Rings saying "Butter scraped over too much bread". I feel like that encapsulates Secret Invasion. A smaller story stretched over 6ish hours. Come to think of it, it describes The Hobbit film series as well. Peter Jackson should have been paying better attention.
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I love this idea so much more than what they are currently doing. They got away from plotting out high points and focusing on character development in exchange for more content to milk their consumers. They could still adapt some of this idea to right the ship. Great job, Screen Crush.
Instantly getting goosebumps from the Fitz-Simmons LMD scene from AOS just shows how great it was!
Imo, secret invasion should've been a two film event with teases in 2-3 films prior in which one of them shows a skrull replacing one of our heroes like how captain America was replaced by a skrull in earth's mightiest heroes
For the new Avengers, I nominate:
1. Nasty Canasta
2. Patrick Star
3. Wayne Knight (leader)
4. Sonny the Coco Puffs bird
5. A guy named Bob
Getting the rights to all these characters may be difficult. Except for Bob, he's down for whatever.
I can’t believe how badly they misused this story line… This could have been an amazing phase 5.
This is literally such an epic story, Is way better than what we actually got.
See that's the biggest difference between hiring writers/directors that know and love and respect the comics. You don't need to copy what has been done but you need to know it well and why it is important to adapt the material correctly.
I have to say that I like this idea much more than what we actually received, as it doesn't end with one brand new character seemingly being all powerful and going off to work for another shady individual. And having it be an Avengers film at least gives off some hope that when Kang shows up to lay waste to all, that he'll at least be met with some measure of a challenge instead of just mowing down the Avengers like what we're probably going to get in The Kang Dynasty.
Let’s be honest, they’ll defeat him with the power of friendship and feeling like pieces of shit.
You think mcu kang will mow down and lay waste? More likely they will dispose him the way they disposed him in Quantumaina
I think the only thing that would stop a Skrull invasion being a major event is how easy it is to find out who’s a Skrull. Once the first Skrull is found out, the Avengers or Shield would likely have an immediate test to verify actual humans vs skrulls from then-on.
I just bought the comic to read and the way they adapted it was tragic one of the best stories I’ve read in a while
What if they just use secret Invasion as a kickoff for the full story? Perhaps they will unfold more events and later movies and shows
So much has alrdy been used in the show sadly :(
Loving the AOS recognition in this post-SI discussion, cuz AOS deserves so much more credit
Louder! 👏🏼 for the people at the back!!
i'm rewatching shield at the moment and it is so damn good. season 4 especially.
It would have been to make this during the blip timeskip... which would allow room for the confusion because we wouldn't know who actually got blipped vs who was a skrull...
Man, if you were the show runner for all of marvel things could be so awesome! It's a shame that this isn't going to be the plan. Great work Ryan and Doug, as well as the rest of your off screen team at screen crush.
They could’ve kept most of their phase 4 slate with all the street level projects to lead up to avengers secret invasion, whilst still set up the multiverse on a smaller scale to be a big part of phase 5 and 6. This show should have been a nick fury show which would build to the avengers film, which it kinda did feel like set up
A+ Ryan.
I’m steaming mad over here that Feige, Bergman, and Iger/Chapek didn’t have the foresight to put this into motion.
I don’t even know if I’d tweak much with your idea (I might use it as an opportunity to post credit the Fantastic Four cast?).
Great work as always. Now I’m going to use AI to create this movie and pretend it really happened 😂
I totally agree it should've been an movie secret invasion show has so much potential sad it didn't live up to its expectations.
I do agree Secret Invasion should have been the closing movie for a phase (whatever phase), and developing the plot trhu said phase (letting us few, or most, characters are now Skrulls in different movies/tv shows).
But I also liked the Disney+ series. No, I didn't said it was perfect. I didn't said you should like it because I liked it. I only said I liked it.
Yes! Preach!! This is what I was expecting for the MCU. I’ve been saying for the past year that Marvels should be a show, and Secret Invasion should be a movie series. This is 100% what I wanted. I don’t even think the show runner read the comics.
This is literally what the MCU needs rn, a storyline like this would fill up and polish the current saga so well. Ig we gotta wait and see what they decide to do
Oh my god this is what I’ve been so awesome! they could’ve had a Civil War scene with the new avengers, fighting the OG‘s, not knowing if it’s their friends! imagine Sam and Bucky having to fight Steve, or T’Challa‘s Black Panther dressing down Shuri for killing their mom!
It didn’t need to be a movie. It just needed to be done well. Or at least started in a show and spilled over into the movies.
Pretty sure it was mentioned somewhere that Secret Invasion was supposed to be a feature length movie but "Certain high up execs" decreed it be made into a lower cost streaming series to PUSH the Disney+ service.
Cause we all know Execs ALWAYS have ONLY the best ideas to justify their out of touch salaries and such.
I love this idea because it makes sense. Just like phase 1, they were setting up the avengers and ended the phase with an avengers movie. I do believe that marvel has lost their way due to rushing things, putting out too much content, and just not good writing in general. I hope Marvel cleans up their act and make me feel as excited as i was when the first avengers movie cam out or when thanos snapped or when they brought everyone back. I miss that from marvel and i believe they can do better
Wow! This is well thought out! I really like this lay out and line up! I hope they are doing something similar, or along the line of what you said at the end about not having scrolls and being more pointed to a multiverse direction.
I'm not going to down this series. I see this being a bigger story. I'm going to trust Marvel to set up a big movie
I agree! I think it would've made a better movie! We definitely need to see the future team connect besides in Avengers 5. Also want to say i thoroughly appreciate the clip of Uruk-hai to represent Super Skroll creation !
love love love this whole concept, its scarily practical how easy it would have been, and also a super entertaining video that I rewatched multiple times. Thank you!
6:29 Mark's response to Ryan's Comment 😂😂😂
THANKS for this, Doug and Ryan!!!! I agree with what you said about Avengers animation and "Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." Your ideas are excellent but a) is waaay too expensive and b) would not build up Disney + :)
Screen Crush: "This should have been a movie."
Me: This shouldn't have even been made.
LMDs and the Framework was ingenious, glad AOS is getting so much love recently!
Agents of SHIELD already did all of this MCU stuff. Seriously under-rated and ill appreciated.. and honestly I prefer it over so much of the new 'cannon'.. they ripped, rode and returned through the time-lines.. it's better told in that show. Thanks for giving them recognition!❤
Thank you. I now consider your version as canon.
Why Fan Fictions / Theories Are Always Better Than What We Actually Get
I swear Kevin Fiege needs to bring you on staff. It literally bums me out that your ideas and “what if’s” are uniformly extraordinary and will never come to fruition. Oh well, Keep up the good work. I’m addicted to this channel now that the strike is on an poppin and there is virtually no tv or daily topical shows.
Holy cow, I wish the MCU could retcon to this amazing storyline you describe here.
This was very well thought out.
Great job! I would def have been on board for a storyline something like this. Would have been a much better impact that the show we got, and then Maria Hills death wouldn’t have felt pointless, and would give us a better avengers connection.
16:31 - I *still* get chills seeing this...
Berric Donderian did a excellent job in that opening monologue ............ SKRULLS
Ryan... I think we should get a petition going to have you and the team write for the rebooted universe after Secret Wars, or for its upcoming slate after the strike. This vision in your just created more intrigue about Secret Invasion than what we all recieved on Disney Plus
I have started thinking of the Disney+ shows as transition vehicles for the films. However, the Skrull storyline isn't finished yet, as we know there are a million skrulls (minus Gravik, Telos, & a few more) out here in 616, and we know some are already world leaders. Perhaps the rampant paranoia is a good plot line for one of the upcoming films.👍🏾👍🏾
this style of video is pretty different from the usual. But actually the enthusiasm and the story is actually intriguing i like it!
This storyline gave me goosebumps I wish Marvel thought of this or something similar
You earned my subscription with this analysis!
Disney should start hiring you guys this story was amazing
15:46 would love to see a second video tackling this story
Its interesting how these team of new avengers would have had a theme conection to the skrulls core idea of replacing. As they all (aside from spiderman maybe) replaced or continued the mantle of other heroes, and watching them struggle with them carrying on an stolen mantle and the skrulls stealing that mantle to create chaos in the world they were sworn to protect. Sort of as the avengers not thinking themselves capable of stopping the first invasion but trying regardless. Idk, it would have been really cool imo.
in my opinion, it shouldn’t have been just a movie. it should’ve been a whole saga.
Thanks for the AoS shout! Small but active fanbase 💪🏽
I feel like phase 4 should have been around exploring the aftermath of the blip and the skulls exploiting the vulnerable earth for that, going into secret invasion as you planned. Kang takes a side seat, like those little post-credit scenes that teased Thanos, and 2-3 projects (Loki, Antman, MoM?) Should have stuck to the multiverse concept. That way, we'd have a brief intro to cosmic and multiverse plotlines, while a nice secret invasion angle is explored through a couple of movies and TV shows. That'd have been so good
I like that. Secret Invasion orienting everyone to earth and the avengers post endgame and other plots setting up the future.
Dude, what you presented is way better than what we got. I was really hoping Secret Invasion was going to turn things around.
Loved this Ryan!!!! This is what we need from the mcu!
Phase 4 would’ve been a good slot for the overall secret invasion story instead we got what we got
bravo!! I still mostly like the latest MCU projects but this would've been so much better, and addressed the main separation issue of this phase.
It would have even been fine to have a 6 episode mini series that leads up to a movie that concludes the conflict in order really get at the heart of the storyline.
Jesus man Avengers EMH really deserves a season 3 ; Disney really dropped the ball with it
Thank you! Someone needed to say it!
I agree that Secret Invasion should have been an Avengers thing, but if they gave a movie budget to a tv-show, and the fan base speculated the crap out of everything like Wandavision, it would have been much better than a one-and-done movie.
I think we need to accept that the MCU up to End Game was a once-in-a-lifetime cinematic experience/story and that there is nothing they can do to recreate it or rival it. Trying to do it again is just a waste of time.
This is pretty brilliant!
Good job! Yes I think your story would have been super fun. At the same time, had the smaller story they were trying to tell stayed with a story about Fury and his friendship with Talos, and had the two of them outsmarted gravik in the end, I think the show would have worked. Having said that, I don't know the comics, so perhaps the secret invasion shape-shifting storylines call for a larger story. At the same time, who else but Talos was a friend of Fury's to explore that dynamic? Maria always felt more like an employee. Anyway.. rambling now... 😊
What got me was that timeline was for all the DNA to be collected,they had to already be in place well before they decided to act..Because I found it weird that they went out to collect everything but already were against Fury as he was collecting it, which makes it curious as to why it was turned in and this didn't happen sooner..
At which point they could have done a version of Dark Reign and acted like heroes taking over during the blip.
I must say I love this concept from Ryan
Get this man a [shield] writing contract!!
the 'rewrite' you came with around 8:30 is way better however that 'also' could be done through a tv show; that one needs 10 episodes tho
This definitely could have been a great show & follow up movie as you described
THIS IS EXCELLENT
They could’ve had the current lineup of movies and shows and just include plot points of the skrulls taking over which should’ve concluded with the Secret Invasion Avengers 5 movie. They could’ve made Cap Sam a Skrull or even brought back Steve Rogers out of nowhere as a skrull, Wasp could’ve pushed Scott back into the quantum realm later revealed to be a skrull, happy hogan could’ve been replaced in spider man, department of damage control could’ve shown to have a skrull, Bruce banner (since he was restricting himself with the device) could’ve been replaced by a skrull, kingpin as a skrull after echo shoots him, Val, and maybe even Maria hill as her story seems cut short especially with how secret invasion turned out. It should’ve been built out through Phase 4 as a smaller conflict uniting the heroes while still building the multiverse for Phase 6. It’s so disappointing that although it’s okay to focus on the whole multiverse concept through the Saga, they still needed the Phases to build towards smaller conflicts as appetizers before Kang Dynasty and Secret Invasion.
Man, I really wish this is how the MCU did secret invasion.
Good one bro 😎
That was an excellent pitch!! That they won’t ever do - but loved your zeal and approach to improving the phases. I really enjoyed Agents of Shield too and hope one day it’ll be cannon. 😢
Every end credit scene should've been skrull related. Utilizing the actors from each movie, and expanding the secret invasion.
Agreed we need a avengers movie now. Nothing is tied together. Just constant new stories with no follow up. It seemed like we had something in a post credit scene in shang chi but that was a super long time ago
Good ep recap here, but I’m wondering about something that was quite noticeable that you fail to mention here: what was with all that purple coursing through the trunk of that tall tree Kahhori & Atahraks climbed to get closer to the portal? Could that violet hue signify the presence of purple-heart herb or even traces of vibranium within that tree? It didn’t appear anywhere else in Sky World so I could be grasping, but I find that an odd choice of color to have present in a place thriving with Tesseract-blue.
I really like the Sam vs Bucky wearing caps suit and shield it’s so perfect
I love this pitch! ❤❤❤
Nah this was amazing! They need you in the team ASAP
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This is brilliant.
Thank for avengers 5 bro it was really good imagining
First of All, i totally agree with that Secret Invasion should have been a avengers movie also i like called Disney plus show " Secret Warrior" before the movie you mentioned. the rest i love your idea that you took inspiration from comic and cartoon to make your Secret Invasion. it make lot of sense. i also like some of your twist and turn as well. Great job bro.
Any different Multiverse Ryan now runs the Marvel cinematic universe, and it’s glorious.
Having the skrulls invade during the blip is very smart. Feels like this was all a huge missed opportunity
Holy crap. Now I’m mad this is not what we got. Thank you. Such a better story than what we got. And how it should have been done. Save the multi verse for later and focus on a smaller story like secret invasion to connect all your movies and shows in between leading up to avengers. Well done!!!
I think a better way to explain Fury not bringing in the Avengers would have been something like this:
"Fury, why haven't you called in any of your...special friends?"
"I did."
"Oh, good. Where are we meeting them?"
"You misunderstand. I called who I could. Some I can't reach. Some are kids; and I'm not bringing them into this. But most of 'em didn't pick up. The ones that did told me to pound sand. I think any good will I once had withered on the vine while I was away. We'll have to do this one on our own."