dating in the k-pop industry: a video essay
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Also, I wanna clarify a few things that I forgot to mention or don't feel that I elaborated enough on. These are the following:
1. As I was editing this video news broke out that Blackpink's Jennie and BigBang's G-Dragon are dating and have been for a year. I haven't looked too much into that so I can't really comment on it. Also, I don't even think YG has addressed it, but Dispatch could not have timed this better when I was already halfway done editing. 🙄 In all seriousness, if they are together I wish them all the best and as I stated on my Twitter ya'll better not be using this as an excuse to take out your internalized misogyny on Jennie.
2.I did state this in the video but in case someone didn't watch that far I'll say it again. I am aware that I did not mention LGBTQ+ relationships or idols in this video. I don't want you guys to think I ignored them. I didn't want to mention them as just a part of this big video because I feel like that topic deserves the respect of having it's own video if I or anyone else were to ever make one rather than being an aside in this video. I also wanna make it clear that I tried to not say girlfriend or boyfriend when referring to an idol's potential significant others as I never want to assume someone's sexuality or gender. Those are very important things to me as a person. I just wanna say we all better be aware of the fact that there are definitely LGBTQ+ idols out there who haven't come out yet, so if I see anybody ever being homophobic in my comments I will personally say some not so nice things to you. Not even just for idols, but for anyone. If you are being rude to another commenter simply because they are LGBTQ+ I will kick you down the nearest flight of stairs. So be nice. :)
3. I REALLY wanna stress this because I don't think I made it clear enough in the video. I am not shaming any fans who have crushes on idols. I promise I am right in that boat with you. So, if you are someone who reads or writes fan fictions, finds an idol hot (as long as they aren't a minor), watches fan edits, or even daydreams about that idol, YOU ARE VALID IN THAT. I promise a large majority of fans have or will do that at some point. Hell, I do that. So there is no shame there. I do the same stuff. I realize that many fans find K-pop in their darkest moments and these idols help them out of that so naturally some fans catch feelings and have an attachment to these idols. I understand that and have been there myself. That is okay. My point on where the difference between what is okay and what isn't lies in fiction vs. reality. If you are at a point where you feel so possessive of an idol that you can't find happiness in the real world anymore or you purposely go leave vicious hate comments on any girl's profile that he is within a 1 mile radius of, please step back and seek help. These things are not healthy and can lead you down a dark path. Many idols themselves have said don't make us the most important thing in your lives because that should always be yourselves.
Okay I think that covers it. Thanks for watching! Love you guys!
I hate toxic exo-l's so much
Because when i found out about Chen i was so glad but i felt like i was by myself because everyone wanted him out of exo and wanted a public apology
And i was just shocked like people dont care if their idols are happy they just care about their own fantasies
Thank you for all your hard work and time it took to research this. 🙌🏾.
The idea of BTS dating SCARES ME. My sister always say, "I PRAY for their safety because I am terrified that they would be hurt"
Omg same. After the jungkook tattooist incident, I'm honestly terrified of what these toxic armys will do if they’re actually dating someone.
But LITERALLY I don't think they can ever be honest about their significant others or children even when they are like 50 years old. It's so scary!
@@baby_duck00 not to mention people started to hate IU bc JK said she was his type.
I'm Army and not interested in any other kpop groups. I would be very very happy to know that my boys have a relationship bc I know it's hard to be alone, in anyone's life. I want them to be happy with a person they love. not to go through all the hardships in life alone. it's their right as a human being. it won't be me and that's okay for me. sometimes I think BTS could break all the rules you mentioned in your video and it wouldn't harm their carreer. but I'm not there to help that poor boy or girl who is BTS' partner, so I hope they are successful to keep it secret.
@@smorghann i've never seen anyone hate on IU cuz of jungkook, yall are kind of reaching this time
Someday someone will cause a huge scandal, and it won’t be pretty. I’m not talking about a simple dating scandal, I’m saying someone will flip the fuck out because that’s what happens when you push people to their breaking point, they break. And that’s when someone consider that they don’t have anything to lose that they can turn dangerous, we already had idols who killed themselves, one day we will have an idol who will ruin everything they had including their life and career because people always end up to break free from whatever chains they have. And then it will be hard for everyone, we will all fall from a very very high place including the companies including the obsessive fans, everyone. Because repression brings rebellion, and the longer will be repression, the harder will be the rebellion.
I totally agree with this. It'll happen one day for sure
I have a bad feeling that this scandal would be related to BTS
@@swatideshmukh2280 It could be, due to their popularity... but the idol doesn't even have to be very famous, look at Mina and Jimin, they weren't really famous but the scandal blew up. I'm talking about a Jimin scandal x100, in terms of impact I mean, not necessarily a bullying scandal. It probably won't be a bullying scandal, but I had this in my family, the situation went on for decades and nobody wanted to end it, one day my father left us and never came back, and we're nowhere near to recover from this. We're not famous, but it's the same type of issues, when you try to silence people there's a point when they feel like they have nothing to lose and they do dumb, sometimes dangerous things
@@paige4443 It will be huge because the companies won't be able to do anything, like it's gonna be THIS huge
its coming, one of these days this is definitely goin to happen, its going to be like a revolution
There will be a time when BTS will be able to date with less backlash than we currently expect. It’s a cycle that every hugely popular bg goes through. The older they get the less the fans act crazy. BigBang’s Taeyang is one example, when he announced he was dating the majority of the fans were happy for him. It sucks that it takes this long for some fans to chill but It is going to happen :)
Yes… I think it’ll probably be after their military service. When fans had a few years to cool down.
With BTS their on this trajectory that no one could expect. Because if they were just a regular big K-Pop group they’d be publicly dating most likely by now and doing other projects, so sometimes this level of success has got to be stifling for them.
Yep, I was thinking the whole time it was a lot like when The Beatles got mega-famous- John had to hide his wife & baby to begin with, & it was exactly that idea of "marketing" them as possible boyfriends to the fans.
@Cenestpasmapersonnalité most of their stans are young adults you know right?
I Mean As Long As They Chill Out About It Then It’s Okay And It’s Not Really Sad It Took Them Time To Calm Down But Now In 2021 If Y’all Still Mad About Korean Celebrities And Korean Idols Dating Then You Need To Get A Life And Do What Makes You Happy 🗣 💯 . ! 😃
@Cenestpasmapersonnalité Y'all will type words to seem smart but will just be displaying your stupidity. I literally just told you that most BTS fans are older than 20 and you are being condescending for what??
This is a token response recognizing the time you took out of your day. It is also the only one you'll get. Cheers.
I really despise that these ppl are called “idols” and are marketed as such. They’re just ppl and ppl shouldn’t be worshipped
I am really uncomfortable using that word too. Also, it makes me think about bible verses warning against having false idols. I just say my fav artist or something like that. Also, the word stan makes me uncomfortable because the origin of the word is based on Eminem's song about an obsessive fan who kills himself.
“I am a female who happens to find men attractive for... whatever disgusting reason” *PERIOD*
Lmaoo right like the story of my life 😅😅
It's crazy to know that some people really think that they can control the lives of their idols. They're not puppets, they are human beings and they should be treated as one.
I truly believe HyunA and Dawn will get married one day and I’m 100% here for that
Edit: AAHHHHH ITS HAPPENING YALL
Edit 2: 😐💔
I think they're already engaged now
they're awesome and quite seriously one of the hottest couples ever. like i feel like the two of them in one room would break the metaphorical thermostat
@@milktea2740 their not
@@sincerely_sana5 WHAT AWWWW
@@milktea2740 yeah
If idols reveal their relationships/marriages someday after their respective group's popularity goes down I will forever support them. I'm 22 so in a couple of years I've grown more mature and can understand more of where they are in their lives + the kids who are fans of those groups today will also grow to be more mature as well. If most idols want to keep it secret and live a silent life with their wives/husbands/children after their idol-career then I can assume they are happy regardless. The sasaeng situation is difficult to discuss in this matter, however. Great video btw!!
Thanks so much! I totally agree with everything you said. Hopefully most people can grow out of any immaturity in this situation, and I do think time helps like you said. I mean I'm 19 and I'll be 20 in a few days, and my opinions have changed drastically just within a couple of years.
I'll be honest about what I've thought: I became a BTS fan in 2018, and immediately got hooked onto everything related to Jungkook. I noticed him immediately, and you know how it goes, once you JIMIN you can't JIMOUT. So I watched his fancams and videos about him, run Bangtan episodes etc etc. I never even thought about BTS dating anybody, like it never crossed my mind. I should've seen this as a red flag, but my stanning life kept going like that for about a year when I met another BTS fan, she was Namjoon biased. We watched some videos about past dating scandals of idols, and then one of us was like "What is BTS was dating", and both of us were confused. We didn't have any intense reactions, but we were, for a long minute, struck with the thought that these people are, indeed, people who date, excuse my language, but also pee, poo, sweat and whatnot (Idk why but toilet activities are almost always the most humanizing ones I can think of).
So, Jungkook dating, at that point, felt really wrong in my mind. I couldn't shake my mind off of it and kept thinking about why I'm feeling this way. It didn't feel hostile, it just felt utterly wrong. I felt like I'd simply unstan and keep going with my life... As I kept discovering other groups I realized that what I was spending my time on wasn't just fun content, but I was being sold a fantasy the entire time. And I was buying it without questioning my actions whatsoever. I'd watch fun clips on instagram and youtube, guides on real-life people, theory videos, videos about someone's personality whom I've never really met, looking at their photos and praising them for their looks and wanting to be them at the same time, and wanting to befriend them as well. I don't really know what really broke it for me, but I think it was some of the clips of members crying- in particular, I was very shook by a video of Jhope crying on that award show (yeah we probably all know which one) where I started realizing how brainwashed I was being the ENTIRE time. And this isn't BTS doing this intentionally, this is the NUTSHELL of kpop. They're selling you an image of a romantically available great-looking doll who is also a great and fun person, with no problems in their sparkly life, kind towards everyone, shy when needed and blunt and flirty when needed... I failed to realize how much of an ILLUSION SELLING factory kpop is! So it took me a lot of time to "unbrainwash" (is this a word) myself from this sick illusion that kpop companies keep selling. Now I follow BTS, but I only follow their music, and occasionally I check up on other groups. I'm quick to dismiss any songs I don't like, and I don't follow any kpop content on social media, except for watching some youtube videos occasionally. At this point I feel freedom from any of this. I've distanced myself from problematic parts of kpop, as well as groups that just bring along MORE AND MORE problems into my life. Which I don't want and don't need. I'm starting to listen to music instead of watching the music (or, music videos) and tone down on other content, and I'm realizing more and more about the marketing and illusion selling in kpop.
I do have to say, that, if you feel weird about a kpop idol dating, you should take a step back and question why you feel like this. It's okay to have feelings about the issue, but you can't just sit there and not think about why you feel the way you feel, especially when it's about a REAL LIFE PERSON, who, although a celebrity, is still a person. You do need to realize that you having any type of negative feelings about other's happiness are a result of something toxic in you that needs to be cured.
I’m glad you ended up reflecting and rewiring how you felt about Jungkook, BTS, and Kpop as a whole. As you said, Kpop is built to drag you into this type of mindset, before coming to capitalize off all the energy and effort dedicated (and obsessed at times) fans put into these idol’s success and lives. It’s good that you’ve started filtering out groups and content you know aren’t beneficial for you and will not help you in anyway, I’m all for curating your own experience in anything. You’ve matured greatly, and it’s nice to see that you’ve come around, has made have so hope for other people who were similar to what you used to be. Hopefully they’ll take a step back and realize what’s going on, and how it improve themselves.
The best era of being a kpop stan is becoming a kpop fan.
@@yorukaadams940 Ngl true, once you’re well versed in kpop you have to get used to a shit ton of bullshit
I can’t believe I read the whole comment
@@yorukaadams940 Yes that's actually so true now that I think about it. It was the best era for me anyway.
in America dating can help your career but in Korea it can affect your career
Another thing about dating:
Most people keep their dating lives quiet. Especially if they’re going on a lot of dates with different people. No need to allow loved ones to get their hopes up. Once they’re in relationships, then they let people know.
It’s insane how fans react to idols dating. I think fans forget that idols are also living, breathing, and normal humans. Like how fans petition to get Chen kicked out of Exo, Baekhyun and Taeyong having to break up and apologize for falling in love with each other, or ‼️‼️TW: mention of death‼️‼️
even the actor who’s girlfriend was m*rdered by crazed fans. She was st*bbed to de*th due to fans not being able to handle the actor dating someone.
It’s sad and honestly frustrating how fans get over idols having a personal life and love life
I'm sorry... did you just say a person was murdered for dating an actor?? I hope that 'fan' is serving life in prison. Absolutely disgusting shell of a human.
Was that murder in Another country? I think i remember hearing this happen in another east asian country😳
I'm sorry but it's Taeyeon, not Taeyong
I will definitely love to see my idols and idols dating and start their own family. I mean we love them right. So i want to see them happy in everyway. I wish every fan will support their idols to date. If they want to keep it secret okay its fine as long as they are happy.
can you make a video essay about sexism/misogyny in the kpop industry? i think it’s really interesting and it’s also scary how much harder it is to be a female idol.
I feel like its inevitable that one day at least one partner of a BTS member will be revealed or everyone at some point being in confirmed relationships even if the person is not known. Their too big worldwide for this to be a secret for too long. I think them being respected cultural icons and global pop stars will actually help lessen any potential loss of popularity and backlash from crazy fans. However their intense amount of fame will draw so much attention and speculation, which I think will mainly be positive but it would be overwhelming. It would be especially traumatic if the person was not also a celebrity.
Man i remember watching a vid about an idol in the 90s that apparently was killed by his gf,,i think that also is a reason for the typical dating bans but idk
I actually only heard about that after I posted this video when something about that came up on my tiktok fyp. It's so weird that that story isn't bigger, but that probably does play a huge part in the bans.
yea and she got didn’t even go to jail she’s i think a doctor right now it’s so fucked up
@@armyswhoblinkonce2711 It's because she's rich and she can pay people to make her seem innocent or defend her.
@@user-jj4dx8yo7u i hate that the rich can do whatever they want just cause they have money
@@armyswhoblinkonce2711 same
I love that you touched on the validity of having romantic feelings for an idol, in the sense that we're human and experience attraction, physical and mental/emotional. But there's a line, one that cannot be crossed. We have no claim over our idols. You have to be realistic. They don't know you. You're never going to have any sort of relationship with them. You're not entitled to any aspect of their personal life either.
I don't understand dating bans, at all. People say that is to help them focus more, honey: THOSE DUDES WHERE TRAINEES FOR YEARS, they wont throw all the hard work for a girl/boy, it just does not makes sense. And even if they do is their loose and not yours, idols are replaceable. I know it sounds bad but if is not something bad like death or disease, idols can be replaced by others and its fine. Kpop fans really thinks that those people are theirs, you should look at them as entertainers or virtual friends at the most, but not romantic interest, is just really sad for yourself to really hope on people you will never meet, extremely sad, and egotistic wanting those people to stay alone, more the teenagers, we all know how hormones are and even so we are keeping those 16-25 young people at home without partner, that is hell for an active person. It is not even about kpop fans cause we all remember the Selena case, fans in general need get out of that bobble of romance they created in their head, they need help.
I’m new to the k-pop world and I didn’t know how serious dating was , is just really heartbreaking how some fans won’t understand that idols are also human and are allowed to fall in love like any other celebrity or regular person. Is really important to understand that we are the fans and we are just here to support them at the end of the day .
Your voice is very nice on the ears, like listening to asmr, don't ever be ashamed of your voice, embrace it and make it your own.
Thank you for this video. I loved how you extensively explained this and gave your opinions which are so reasonable and rational. Keep it up!
also KEEP THE REAL VOICE omg...💕
Thank you so much
As someone already commented, I'm scared by both BTS and their future/current significant others if someday their relationship become public, not just about some hateful comments online, that will be the lesser of their concerns, and they can always block or take time off social media, but I fear actions that can endanger their own lives, for example: exposing their adresses, their personal documents, actual de**h treats, and so on. Even if they would be less famous that could still happen, specially if they are part of the so called "maknae line", I don't have proper inside knowledge of the fandom, but judging about things I've read about people who do, they have the biggest amount of crazy fans, those are the ones that, unfortunately, have to be even more careful. If we compare the situation with other boybands, we could take 1D as an example, they could date when they were at their higher point in popularity, and even with that, they had to deal with the consequences due to jealousy of their fans, imagine what could happen with bts if that for most of their career they were seen as singles?
The way they are portrayed toward the fans are also a thing to consider, the whole kpop and boygroups do take advantage of having a boyfriend image, but i feel the way BTS (as a brand not the members) act helps their fans have this crazy behaviour. The way they are marketed to armys, how they answer questions related to relationships or other stuff regarding this matter, I don't know how to properly put into words so I can properly express my opinion on this, but it feels like they enable an extreme possessiveness of their fans, in exchange of their loyalty, however
I don't think they needed to go this far, since there were other successful groups that seemingly were more open about these topics, in the end it will probably cause irreparable damage for the boys wellbeing.
The 0 dislikes show how true this video is
Thank you!
This isnt even knew for pop stars, john lennon was shot to death by an ex fan who felt betrayed when he married the Japanese woman (i forgot her name, apologies) if there's anyone bts can be compared to its the Beatles and it scares me alot of what will happen if they reveal their relationships. Hence i high key hope they keep it secret for as long as they can
Yoko Ono I think
Dating bans CANNOT exist legally however they are definitely enforced through pressure and guilt tripping by companies. Basically from my knowledge, most developed countries have laws regarding personal data and the right to a private life in relation to society/ employers (as long as they respect other right like -age consent limits)
Also NDAs are nullified once laws and rights are broken, never think somebody can take your constitutional rights away through a piece of paper from a company.
Your voice is literally so soothing. That's the first thought that came to my mind when I first heard your voice.
This video was so interesting and well written! I very much agree with what you said, and I also think that most idols are probably dating in secret. Idols shouldn't have to be public with their relationships if they don't want to, it's their personal lives and in my opinion they don't owe fans any kind of information about that. Plus, knowing the kinds of consequences it could have, it's so understable why they'd rather keep it quiet. I really appreciated what you said about LGBT+ issues and would be very interested in a video on that topic.
PS: Your voice is very nice to listen to!
Thank you so much!
Here's my perspective on age gaps in dating: I go more by brain development (full brain development happens around early to mid-20s), so while dating a barely-legal adult is, well, legal--if you're like 10 years older or more that feels skeazy to me, for the reason that the younger party is still neurologically underdeveloped and easily manipulated (again, just my opinion as far as the ethics side of things, yes I still understand that it's legal and in the long run my opinion doesn't really matter...) But I didn't see anything wrong with Momo and Heecheul because she's a grown woman. Biologically speaking her brain was basically fully developed. She's fully capable of making her own decisions, including romantic ones. And it's not like Heechul is some middle aged sugar daddy. He's still pretty young.
I disagree on the BTS part. I think they are so big that them dating will be fine with minor backlash. They have already dropped hints to let their fans know how they feel. Like J-Hope saying he wishes to "become someone valuable to someone else. Someone who will love me." and Suga defending their fans during an interview about how ARMY will react when they start dating.
I think it will be mixed opinions, rn we couldn't know but i do think theres gonna be a toxic comments and also the ones that are going to get more hate are the maknae line partners bcs even tho this may hurt we know that Jhope is (sadly) not as famous as the maknae line also ARMY is filled with Jikooktae biased
Also the Sugas comment i think what he meant by that is that people tend to generalize ARMY as really toxic 13 y/o fangirls wich ofc is not true so theres gonna be variaty of opinions in this but somethin they may believe of us could be really different in real life, im afraid the toxic comments will be there
yeah that's how i feel too. I feel like, especially now more than in the past, a group as big as BTS will overall be fine. It won't be a career ender like it was for some other idols. I think it's important to note that they aren't like other kpop groups in the sense that in korea they are greatly appreciated by the general public, especially adults, whereas kpop idols are often c or D list celebrities that adults view as stars for teens that they don't take seriously. The general public won't loose their shit as much in my opinion as long as their partners are decent people. By general public, I mean GENERAL PUBLIC, not just knetz who are often antis, jumping on a "scandal" to attack someone. Unless there is a huge scandal with massive repercussions like the Burning sun scandal, knetz aren't often represented of the general public in korea, cause the general public often doesn't care enough about trivial kpop stuff to comment on it online.
There will always be the toxic fans talking shit but overall, Army is sooooo huge and diverse that the people supporting the couples would have a significant voice as well. Obviously, I expect more backlash for some members rather than others because they are younger and more popular, but i don't think it would even reach the levels of Baekyun and Taeyeon, they're more likely to be viewed overall like Hyuna and Dawn. It's also worth mentionning that, bc those precedents exist, future reactions will not be the same as what we have seen so far bc idols dating is become more and more normal.
@@KookiesNolly I think this will only go down okay if the first ones to be revealed to be dating are among the hyung line, remember how jungkook hugging a girl went? Yeah, hell on earth
I think that if BTS dated it would be similar to the GD Kiko dating scandal around 2014, some VIPs hated Kiko and to this day continue to make up rumous about her - its suspected to be part of the reason they broke up
I think the entertainment industry, and from my limited insight Japanese and Korean industry especially, thrive on parasocial relationships.
I think nowadays dating/having families is slowly getting more normalized in the kpop industry many couples coming out and getting support and recently a new couple joy and crush! and bobby getting engaged and having a baby and both of them are getting so much support. I love seeing these baby steps to dating getting normalized in kpop which sounds so weird because it should be normal like its funny how ppl actually think they are not dating or have never dated. and honestly im so scared and sad for bts i am an army and i cant even imagine what will happen i just hope that they could be happy with their loved ones!
As kpop idols careers last longer its inevitable that many will get married and eventually some will be exposed as dating. Its slowly becoming normalized.
im glad i found you through everglow up😁
Thanks for your support!
and now, bobby's getting married and becoming a father. i couldn't be any more proud TT
Her voice is so calming
Omg. I have the exact same stanscr as you in the dating bans are not real thing. It was in an unpopular opinions draft I made back in summer last year I’m glad to know I’m not the only one
If idols help their fans in bad times, then why not have couple idols who can create marriage songs, etc.
Seeing people in love and in a relationship makes me happy so why not give people like me some cute couple moments?!
Using your own voice is always better than the robot voice since it helps to connect with the listener better imo + your voice is relaxing to listen to ❤️
'Artists have the right to a private life' is a sentence I've gotten a lot of hate online. Glad to know someone agrees.
Thanks for opening about this topic ! I'm not even stanning boygroups like bts, but I'm impressed by everything you've said !
Often fans are getting soooo possessive over their faves for groups and I can't even imagine members of groups like BTS being in a relationship because of these fans.
Also we have the same name boo
Thanks for the video, keep up what you're doing, lots of love ✨
Your voice is so soothing and relaxing 🥺 Please continue with your voice
11:40 I HAVE ALWAYS THOUGHT THIS OMG
also i agree with this video 100%. you have literally the exact same thoughts as me 😩
edit: and the 12 fans thinking they will date there idol like bro your lucky (theoretically) there not looking for some 12 years olds to date-
edit: bts are probably dating (or have) because jin is approaching his 30s and for fans to think he has definitely has not dated someone (or will date them) is delusional.
edit: i also think it’s really upsetting that fans attack idols (the people they supposedly love) to literally the moon and back if they date. like if they really wanted there idol to “date them” they should not be hating on them or there partner (and in general they shouldn’t)
Hi! Don't know if you'll ever see this, but I started watching your videos literally today and I love the mature and respectable stance you take on everything. Thank you for actually being a good kpop stan who's mature and respectful while still speaking out on these types of issues. I got into kpop about a year ago and still consider myself pretty new to the world and its kind of overwhelming tbh with all the issues in it ranging from the scandals, to the fanwars, the companies, etc. So I really appreciate that you take such a grown up approach to talking about kpop. Alot of fans can learn from you. I watched some of your more recent videos and I know you said you're 20, so I guess I can relate to you a bit more and agree with most of your opinions . I'm 22 and feel like alot of the things I've been hearing about kpop since I got into it, is kind of scary, especially with some of the not so great fans. I also love that you do ACTUAL research on these bigger topics and aren't just here to give your opinion on the music and why you like/dislike something. Your kpop videos really stand out to me and as a newbie to the kpop world, I appreciate them and am learning more about the industry and its issues thanks to you. I've been searching for a kpop youtube channel to subscribe to and I feel like your views on the industry are so raw and open yet you're still so respectful and I feel like its sometimes hard to find that. Also, I think at the start of the video you said you don't like your voice, I love it. Its so calming to listen to. I look forward to watching more of your videos!
this channel is so underrated, this channel deserves more love
Love your voice and your opinion
Please keep it in the next one 👌🧐❤️
Love your voice!!! It’s so ASMR! And kpop is a stressful topic all around honestly. Love your voice, love your voice. Keep using your voice!!
No I love your voice, it’s like ASMR to my ears :)
I think your voice is lovely and I think it is also more fit for sensitive topics like these
I love your voice though, it's so soothing
I love your voice I think it sounds calming!
I dc of idols date whether it’s each other or someone outside the industry, they should be allowed to find love and be happy anyone stuck in this delusion of thinking celebrities belong to them and can’t be happy for them finding love, get your priorities straight and see a shrink
Btw, your voice is beautiful.. can’t wait for more videos featuring it! Awesome video!
Awesome video.
ehy, i love this intro! ;)💜
You have a great speaking voice. The only thing I might add to it is software to dampen the p and t letters a little but that's a problem for literally everyone
i love your voice its so smooth!!!!!! don't change it
im not really interested in kpop songs, i enjoy them here and there but i don't really go out of my way to listen to it, that said it is really interesting and informative watching all of your essays. I'm not familiar one bit of anything about Kpop culture, just knowing classmates who are into it but I find myself easily following through the things you are telling, its really nice
You're so correct about the whole BTS dating thing... When I say I'm _terrified_ for their future partners (especially the maknae line), I mean it wholeheartedly. With how huge the fan base is now, yeah they'll get a ton of support, but there's a massive portion of the fandom that's extremely possessive & will want to cause both mental & physical harm towards their partners. After what happened with that one tattoo artist & Jungkook, there's part of me that hopes that the BTS members *never* make their relationships public.
seems like Taehyung is the most one dedicated to make his partner public. We freaking love that for him but the consequences are very risky. Esp his side of the fandom is crazy. Like they're borderline delelu.
This was interesting,! but I wish the visuals were related to the topic you were discussing
There is also "media play", when companies agreed that one member from each group would "date" each other for popularity. Big companies help smoll companies thanks to it ye? I don't want to assume but I believe most "dating scandals" are "media's play". Like Jennie and Kai. They broke up quickly which is sus for me. But if they were happy then sorry for assuming. This is just my humble opinion. Heechul and Momo too, they broke up pretty quickly, but if this relationship was true, not media's play, then alr, still sus for ME.
Momo and Heechul dated for over a year. That to me isn’t breaking up pretty quickly
@@seulgisknife8155 For you, it isn't, but for me, it is. Like I said, it's my small opinion. You have yours, okey, I don't realy care. I will not change it👁️👁️
I get how you don’t like the sound of your own voice, and it’s completely normal. I like it however. It’s very soothing and pleasant to listen to! !
Omg the first couples i thought of when you mentioned the most known dating scandals
Baekhyun x taeyeon
Kai x Jennie
Not dating but a relationship Chen x his wife
Jennie x Gd
These few are the first ones that pop up in my head
i love your voice
ur voice is really nice omfg i love it but u really need a new mic 💞
Saw this just now in Oct 2023. The amount of people insisting that JK is still an 'innocent bunny' after he released Seven and 3D is absolutely delusional. They 100% think that he doesn't know what he's singing about, since its in English. If it was just a few fans like this, I'd shrug it off. But I've encountered so many fans that will straight up fight you for saying that he's had 'relatons' before, is insane. A lot of the fans are obviously very young (due to how they write/speak) but there's older fans like this too. Yeah, I worry for their romantic partners if it becomes public knowledge.
That's so true ! Jungkook said himself that he's an adult and that he isn't innocent anymore but his fans still treat him like a baby !
And the same is happening with other bts members, mostly Jimin and Suga (and dude this man is 30..)
WELL SAID
I don't really care if idols dates or not it's their lives anyways but if it's literally stipulated in your contract at least respect that term for that time period. It's not the end of the world if you're not dating anyone because they're still young and attractive.
You encapsulated all of what I think about this issue; I think this is one of the worst issues in this industry. I really want to ask those delulus if they REALLY THINK these idols stay single for years? When they have attractive people all around them ? Yall delulu. It is so messed up that they get put under fire for dating! DATING! Idk i have better things to worry about that who they’re fucking :/
However, my anger mostly is targeted to the companies for marketing these idols as products. They should not complain, just be lil packaged bfs/gfs for consumption. I feel like low key it also affects me mentally because I feel like low key I related to the ‘fill-in bf) comment you made. I obv stay grounded in reality but it becomes depressing knowing that no one will be able to make me feel as nice and comforted as my biases…which makes me not even try to find an actual s/o (many of my twt moots relate to this) which just leads to loneliness.
This industry could also damage the consumer this way; i understand I should take this problem into my own hands but it is hard knowing that no one will be as nice and comforting as these idols…as sometimes their on-screen behaviour could be staged too :( (I’m not saying ALL BEHAVIOUR but we can’t kid ourselves, the companies manage the hell of how the idols act)
I wonder why we never hear about Lisa, Jisoo or Rose dating, just Jennie. I am sure they dated someone at some point.
Ur voice is 🙂 👌
If you get angry about a celebrity dating as if it's any of your business whatsoever... I think you need serious mental help. I cannot imagine being so unhealthily obsessed with a stranger and weird enough to send hate to people for their relationship. Some Kpop fans are in serious need of time outside, talking to real life people 😭
I am so worried about the future partners of kpop idols…just think about the hate towards IU after jungkook said she’s his ideal type.
I agreed with everything you said especially the part where BTS will never be able to have a public romantic relationship because of how big they're fanbase is and the bigger the fanbase, the more toxic fans. Didn't toxic armies harass a female tattoo artistic because she interacted with BTS once?
I know that there's a CZcamsr named Gina Everything, she was a kpop trainee for over 12 years before she quite, and in one of her video's she said it's really easy to get someone's number. She made a interesting video about kpop and mental health, I think that you would be interested in: czcams.com/video/-CkoSCqDuRk/video.html
Thank you so much! 💖 Yeah I think another commenter mentioned the thing with the tattoo artist which I didn't even know about until recently. Thanks for the video. It definitely sounds like something I am very interested in watching. I'm gonna go check it out now!
@@katerinarose No problem!
I think another scenario for companies not to publicise their idols dating is people hating on one of the partners because they're less famous and are "stealing the bigger idol's fame/money".
It's all about crazy fans.
I rlly thought I’ve been mishearing her intro of “welcome back to hell” bc of how lovely her voice is but apparently not lmaooo
Lol while I was listening I was questioning why I liked man and then superhuman started playing and I remembered why
off-topic but where did you find the thumbnail pic jennie literally looks surreal and i need it in my life
Pls pls do a video about LGBTQ+ community and the kpop industry 🥺
Plz don't change your voice to the robot. Also great video 👍
Re: Idol is dating
I am going to be honest: I would break out the popcorn and watch the shit-show, if news of a popular idol is dating an equally-famous (or more famous), celebrity from the western world.
The risk of dating I really think comes at the fault of obsessive fans/sasaeng because I think even in an average sense no two people are perfect, just living their own lives but at the immediate news whether theres anything wrong or not with these individuals are just an added token to fuel their obsession when they research/stalk into their lives or people start looking in too deep and going too far such as interfering/harassing people in real life. With the news also comes the loss of their fandom because of how idols are presented to us that if they untouchable that their still ours or the sexual i action of them and belong almost to us because were fans of them. Not saying all actual fans but a lot of that behavior and intense heat/hate comes out especially when they get exposed and the image they once portrayed gets tarnish from certain fans such as getting shamed, slut-shamed, both get compared to each other like their level of fame and if they match, their personalities and old interviews will be nitpick.. It’s all to say that along with the companies, we also all play a big role in essential give idols their rights back and to protect them from ridicule of having their own private life. They endure through enough pressure and stress to keep their careers going through their intense schedule and fans happy with every performance and comebacks so once they’re off hours they should be able to participate in their own life/endeavors. I just hope for some to open up their minds even if idols are in an odder pair to hold your comments even if your not as happy. Many idols lose the interest of the fandoms but i hope that you’ll at least hold back from attacking them or to help these idols but also do it respectfully especially in protecting idols instead of creating more tension even with a more stubborn sasaeng
i just wanted to point out its saseang not sesam=ng and the way u pronounced it sounds like the word for "world" in korean not hating just wanted to point it out
Thank you so much! :) I thought I probably pronounced it wrong.
it's like sesaang
the idol never lies if they don’t tell fans about their relationship it’s their business 🙁
I´d rather they share than drop a bomb one day "Btw I´m married". Like wha?
ALL kpop idols date in private including.........bts, blackpink. Stop being delulu
I know you said you don't really follow Super Junior, and I assume not a lot of your subscribers do as well since they're kind of an older group and their fans skew older. I mean they were one of the biggest groups of their day but with these new K-pop fans who have only gotten into the genre in the last, say, five or so years, they barely look like a blip on the radar when compared to the numbers BTS are doing. But, anyway, I feel like this video and comments section are leaving a big elephant in the room unaddressed, which is Sungmin, who married in the end of 2014, just before enlisting, but has been actively boycotted since the group's big 2017 single Black Suit, which was the first post-military comeback for a LOT of their members. Black Suit era had a lot more scandals and disappointments for fans at the same time, which varied a lot in nature and culpability. It was fucking depressing to observe, as I was there and Super Junior was and still is my favorite group. I don't have or want to go into it ALL, but Sungmin still isn't involved in group comebacks and the members don't address him, because the fans are still so divided on him to this day.
And all he did was marry an actress. That's it. Super Junior has a long, tumultuous history. They had members taking military breaks constantly for a full decade. Many scandals and lost members and car accidents and trauma. It's touched almost every member. It's crazy. And it's been almost constant since they were rookies. And they're relatively open about a lot of what they've gone through in interviews. They're one of the "realest" idol groups in several ways, especially as they've gotten older, started their own label, and gotten a lot more freedom of choice. It's kind of a breath of fresh air. But Sungmin is still just not fucking there. He's cranking out a modest solo career under LabelSJ these days and his wife has a vlog channel on CZcams which he sometimes features on. He's still officially considered a member of the group but there's so much he's missed. The last time "he" appeared on stage was in 2015 for their tenth anniversary song "Alright" as a cardboard cutout (along with Shindong, who was also in the military at the time). Seven years ago. Seven years since he's been acknowledged, without a peep on if he'll ever come back. It's sad.
why do i think that taeyeon and baekhyun are still dating...? i mean, im not sure...
i don’t think they’re dating now still, but i definitely do think they were dating a little while longer well after their scandal and when it was announced they broke up
sasaeng fan = 사생팬 :)
h-yawn-a, tey-yawn, se-saang, beyk-h-yawn.
this isn't exactly how they're pronounced but similar.
My opinion, i do better then kpop industry to be the better boss (sorry for bad English, but i can't find the right name for it)😁😁😁😁😁
Or help them helping them to better idol, maybe bigger 🥰
IS ROSE Date one of guys from BTS YES R NO MAYBE ,
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Hi ! I love your videos! But can you please put a flash warning at the beginning of your videos(esp ones with fancams that flash a lot-ex: the dreamcatcher ones around the 2/3 mark)?/gen
Edit: Also please stop using “falling on deaf ears”! I know it may be a common phrase to you, but it’s meaning and use is very ableist. /srs
My EXID bias Hani just annouced that she has a boyfriend. Finally, i have another couple to be happy for aside from T-ARA Soyeon, Hyuna and Crayon Pop Soyul.
I seriously hope that BTS does have secret families because they deserve to be happy.
They can't even have girls in their music videos so the idea of them being in a public relationship is honestly terrifying. BTS shouldn't have to put their personal lives on hold to satisfy millions of parasocial relationships.
SO BTS AND BLACK PINK CANT DATE NO ONE , BECUSE OF THEY BOSS ,
Fun fact: nobody is entitled to their opinion.
You are only entitled to what you can argue for. Period.