debuting children in k-pop, hollywood, & beyond: a video essay
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I think a good modern example of a “stuck” child star is Jojo Siwa. She’s 20 now, but because she built a large part of her career as a kid and with most of her audience being young kids, it’s been clear online that it’s been very hard for her to change her celebrity persona to reflect the adult woman that she is.
I think Jojo is going back and forth. It wouldn’t be easy for her to completely change her persona because her entire fanbase are kids.
@@neb.9489 and if she dose, the kids will get upset. Like when is Jojo going to drop the kids?
Definitely!
Well....
@@POOKIPOOKIBEAR Karma's a b*tch 😅
I keep thinking how many of my faves debuted as children. Taylor Swift debuted at 15, Ariana Grande started on Broadway at 14, Billie Eilish debuted at 14, most of Little Mix debuted in their late teens, Dua Lipa has been a model since she was in her late teens, Yeri from Red Velvet debuted as a minor - fifteen.
So many of them have been sexualised and cyberbullied online, for pretty much nothing - Dua was bullied for her dancing, Taylor was slut shammed and has grown adults saying weird things about her, Ariana was sexualised and has been infantalised for a long time, Billie Eilish had been disrespected as a teen and then sexualised, Yeri is still one of the most ignored idols and Little Mix where abused for a DECADE straight by the media.
Also, with your society's obsession with treating celebrities like rubbish and not acting like they have feelings. You either love and adore celebs or you treat them like shit. And I feel scared for any child star reading the things that people think are okay to say about famous people. There are so many NASTY channels and websites acting mean, or fake woke on celebs for no reason. It's scary enough for an adult to see that, but imagine being a child or a teen? It's enough to mess you up
It's one of the reasons I'm scared for BabyMonster. YG hates women enough and he met his wife via one of his idols videos and fell in love with her despite her stilll BEiNG at SCHOOL.
@@arianawendymangagirlWAIT ARE YOU FR? HE ACTUALLY MET HER LIKE THAT?? 😦
@bea from what I can remember, one of his idols was like washing the dishes and his younger sister appeared. She was in the second year of Korean middle school and he was way older
@@arianawendymangagirlYeah and I heard he purposely ruined her chances to debut because he wanted to get with her. She was 15 at the time. Let that sink in.
This grown adult man, ruined the dream of a 15 year old kid because he wanted her in seggsual way…sick
I read Jennette McCurdy’s memoir “I’m glad my mom died” when it was released and have reread it multiple times since. After seeing everything she had to go through growing up in the entertainment industry, I don’t think any kid should ever be famous, and I’m incredibly suspicious of any parent who thinks it’s right for their child to be subjected to the horrors of this industry
I’m so glad that you integrated the conversation on kids in Hollywood with kpop. Usually in conversations about minors in kpop, stans tend to ignore the minors in Hollywood and act like minors being in the public eye is new and only applies to kpop.
Get these kids back in pre algebra 😭
But seriously fans look over minors debuting so much its sad. Like leeso went from being protected to fans litterally bashing her. Yuna, the nj girls, wony, etc; and even jk and taemin. All bashed and bullyed and fans really just add on to it. The fans make it worse 💀. They dont see what can happen to these idols in the long run. Literally people like BoA have talked about how debuting so young messed them up. Fans care but dont care to stop supporting these groups and coumpanys 🤧
And a wonderful video as always 💕
just yesterday i watched about a 2nd gen group and the youngest member was 19. these days the oldest member is barely 18.
i also remember my mum telling me that i will be too old to post dance covers on youtube after i hit 30 as i wouldn't be able to compare to "the 15-year-old girls that look like dolls" and won't look as good which is absolute nonsense. no wonder that companies debut such young artists to prolong the life of the group when especially women are tied with an expiration date and seems like this mindset has been deeply rooted in many people.
Yeah people act as if 30+ is old like bro. To me actually being old is around late 50’s early 60’s then I consider someone old. But literally people in their 30’s haven’t even reached their midlife yet. Midlife starts at 40+ because humans live on average until 80+ year old.
That’s why most people who go through a midlife crisis, it happens around age 40-45…
This is way too true, i think im going to quote u in a school assignment, is that ok?
@@catsicle8477 sure, you can.
I myself as a 21 year old can say im glad i had my childhood as a child and wasnt forced to be matured. I feel once you grow older than your teen years...you slowly start realising how much responsibility you have or going to have in future....then these childhood years feel precious and nostalgic about the carefreeness and innocence you had. Stealing this from kids by putting them in a brutal industry (even if they themselves want to) is a crime. They dont know the repurcussions of what they r deciding to do by forgoing the experiences of a normal child/teen. It falss upon the adults to put a limit to this and slow these children down and pace them rather than rush them into debuting.
It also alters their brain chemistry too. Because being under so much stress, so much pressure, so much scrutiny and so much competition is very Very damaging for these children.
It’s usually the children who had good parents around them throughout their careers that manage to somewhat grow into mentally stable adults, the ones left to be “raised” by adults in the industry all end up messed up.
35:31 - this reminds me of the Blackpink book that I have. In an interview, Jisoo said that she couldn't relate to Playing With Fire directly so they thought of stuff in movies and TV shows.
Jisoo debuted at the age if 20, and if even her and the rest of Blackpink can't relate to PWF, what about groups like New Jeans, who sing songs like attention and hurt, relate to it?
Attention and Hype Boy are more about teen crushes. Just look at their mvs.
@@neb.9489it’s not about the mvs. Do you not have reading comprehension? The comment is about if young idols can even relate to the things they’re singing about when they are overworked to the point of barely having any actual freedom to comprehend what’s being written for them. Read the comment again. And pay attention to the video! 32:20
I hope you all enjoy the video!!! It's my first video essay in a long time, so I'm really excited. I know that I focused a lot on stuff outside of just Kpop this time, but I do think that it was all really important stuff to mention. Also, the video quality should be better in a few hours. CZcams is trying to process the video right now. 💖
Hi, I know you up loaded this essay, but I was wondering if you have time. Please bring back reacting to your K-pop opinions because I love them so much, and you have great opinions on them (also I'm subbed)
I don’t agree with debuting children. The idol industry or even Music industry as a whole isn’t built for children and It never will be. Not about jealousy or envy or anything of the sort. It’s okay to dream big, that’s fine. But you should never put a child in that situation. The amount of stress, Trauma and lack of self worth isn’t worth the money and fame they can have. Almost every single child star have grown up to wish they waited longer to Pursue their dreams or that there parents hadn’t forced them to do it out im of a thirst for money. And how much they hated it. many of them end up having insane addictions or dramatic changes in behavior(not to mention developing dozens of different mental health problems)and or Killing or harming themselves due to pressure, feeling alone. Abuse, bullying, ect. it’s not a shock to anyone who has a brain and can actually think. People need to stop putting children in situations to not be able to grow and mature at a normal pace with family and Friends around them that can help ground them and create healthy adults mentally and physically. I don’t trust anyone who supports the idea of child stars and I don’t trust anyone who “Stan’s” groups that have literally children half there age. Like your creeps. Especially if those children have “sexy” concepts and wears “Revealing” clothes.
Edit: I also want to add everything I have said is about all Child star industries. Children should not be “working” and should not be put in the public’s light in such a way. There is a way to nurture there dreams without putting them on a TV screen at the age 13
@@mork4971 or they should just not have children being played in movies and shows that don’t really need them in it. However the acting industry isn’t what I’m talking about. I’m specifically speaking on the music industry. The acting industry is a tad bit more safer then the music industry despite popular belief.
@@Bunnybunny5656 how is the acting industry a little bit safer? Because Arina Greenblatt dresses like an adult (by her stylists obviously) and the same with millie Bobby brown when she was still a minor
@@aussiefurbymogwaifan6621 parents are more involved. Doesn't stop the parents from abusing their power over the child's money but for the most part parents are more involved in the acting industry and can sheild their child to an extent from certain aspects of the industry and life. In music specifically korean music industry's and even american the parents basically sign their rights to their child over to the company's. The company's basically become the children's guardian and have allot of power over the child and after such a time the child will owe the company thousands of dollars due to training and schooling expenses and if the parents where to try and interfere that debt would be put on the parents basically leaving them in financial doom so they often dont. It's basically the worse situation for children. Adults can sign these kind of contracts and be in this kind of industry with more of a solid idea of what they are getting into but a child isn't aware. They don't fully understand even if they are told outright. They often lose their whole childhood to training and schooling to be the perfect celebrity. And we have seen many instances where that has gone horribly wrong. Take britney spears as an example. She was exploited by the industry and her very own father who proved exactly what I mean as he didn't only exploit his daughter but others signed under him that were also children. Many kpop idols even come out and say they never had a real childhood and hardly made any friends growing up as a trainee. There is almost no instances where child musical stars haven't come out and spoke of horrible things they had to endure in which they never should have. Entertainment as a whole isn't really child save but I still beleive acting is slightly safer. Even modeling which is a bit of a controversial take
Thank you for spending the time and effort into such a serious yet overlooked topic in today’s modern industry. Speaking of the music industry, so many people and young adults are AWARE of the child abuse, grooming, and other horrid behaviors done to minors in the industries (especially music), yet nobody does ANYTHING because actually, those children are molded into the industry to make it seem like they’re adults. I know some celebrities seem like their in their 20s, despite being much younger. We don’t realize it consciously but our generation looks much different than the previous. Children have access to social media, so it’s not uncommon for children to be influenced by others to make it seem the norm. It may look like Taylor Swift, NewJeans, IU, and other artists who have debuted as a teenager have a beautiful outcome (and yes, they do have a successful career). But so many fail to realize how demanding and tiresome it is. Seriously, I do not doubt the top stars have faced depression or anxiety. Not even surprised they do drugs.
When I was less mature, I wanted to be a star! I thought it I had the face and everything, but then I compared myself to others and felt ugly. I felt less talented because how come these young girls are up on stage and I’m sitting in school? Then I began to look around me and realize everyone my age is doing the same as me. Learning at school, interacting, and having a childhood. People don’t realize idols never had a CHILDHOOD.
Haven't finished it yet but great video as usual! I'm not an expert by any means, but I find while people may not exactly agree with minors as young as 13/14/etc. debuting many just end up ignoring/overlooking it, either because the group makes good music or is popular, or the majority of fans are kids in that age range as well. Like they recognize it as an issue but don't feel compelled to stop supporting a group because they like it too much to detach, or don't really understand the implications of entering an industry that young.
This content need to go viral.
I grew up watching American tv. That one tv show bother me the most I can't even stan five seconds of it is Toddlers and Tierra. One of the most disgusting even to think about. Those mothers .. Oh my gosh
I don't listen, stream, support or follow any too youg idol. This is uncomfortable knowing what are the bad side they got.
Fans who enjoy too young idol they themselves don't care and don't even have awearness about mental well-being especially in Asia. I'm an Asian. My whole country have almost zero knowledge about mental health.
I apologize for this being long.
Coming back to this, I’d also like to add the girls from Dance Moms into the the conversation. I watched the show throughout my preteen-teen years up until the end of season 7. I’ve recently gone back to rewatch it and hearing of the experiences and the trauma the girls went through can also be related to this conversation. Especially how they were sexualized, mostly by Abby and were thrown into the spotlight at young ages. The girls had a lot of pressure to be 100% perfect much like a kpop idol.
I liked your video and and the research you put into it but I think the point of the sexualization of minor idols, how insidious and subtle it can be and how much it plays into the increase in minors debuting in kpop, should have much more explored.
your content remains superior!
honestly, your views and the way you discuss things are so admirable to me. i love your channel so much, and i feel that this is so well made! great job! definitely will be adding this to my playlist because i actually fall asleep to your video essays, which is really weird, but true. i told you this before on twitter (i think) but yeah, amazing video!
this video is excellent but especially 20:07! so many people need to listen to that whole section and reflect! thank you!
OMG A VIDEO ESSAY I LOVE THESE
This video essay is so spot on! This is exactly why i love your content; you're giving such amazing insight on how the entertainment industry has grown to become even more toxic and dangerous for children
What a fantastic, well researched video! I was so excited when I saw you posted and I definitely wasn't disappointed
Love the video but I have to suggest that reading out long sections of text isn’t very engaging - the inclusion of academic sources is great don’t get me wrong! But like while discussing pageants there was a page full of text being read without any interval and visually it can be monotonous too :)
this is such a banger video, so many fantastic points made
Kago Ai was only 12 when she joined Morning Musume...
Born 1988(4th generation,2000-2004)
You're so right in saying that no other industry makes you feel more like an old hag than K-POP. Im 17, and I feel ANCIENT sometimes knowing im not an internationally famous and successful person.
Oh my gosh I missed you *so* much! This is an incredibly well done video essay and the time and effort you put into it clearly shows how much thought you put into a topic like this ❤️
Your content is always so amazing! I love this vid so much! Great job! Keep it up! ❤️
you're genuinely my favourite youtuber. i love all of the content you share and how you discuss it. your voice is so relaxing and i love how you structure everything you say 💝
Related: Alyson Stoner is making a podcast about growing up as a child star (with Disney) and all the baggage that comes with it. Highly recommend!
Great video
It's important to talk about it
Thank you ❤
Your video brings up such important topics, thank you very much for the work you did in researching and bringing all this information. This video added a lot to my reflection on this topic. As i also don't agree with debuting such young kids.
Yoooo ur back
How could you not mention the king of pop, Michael Jackson? He was only 8 when he debuted and nobody lost their mind over that.
8?!
He started his music career at the age of 5 or 6 as a member of Jackson 5 in 1964.
As a professional recording artist he debuted at the age of 9 years old.
3:47 - 3:56 I immediately thought of Sulli. ☹️
Not sure if this came out when your video was released but Russel Brand (17:25) has been exposed for having relationships with minors and abusing his power within the British entertainment industry, so it’s not surprising he said that disgusting comment about the Jonas Brothers. The whole entertainment industry hushed it up for years because he brought in bank 🥴
It’s great you included Britney Spears in here and the normalisation of minors (especially female minors) debuting in Western entertainment. Another countdown to 18 occurrence was about the Olsen Twins, which is especially perverse when the twins have been famous since they were toddlers. This is a huge systemic issue.
No one can replace Jennie because , " Jennie was the queen of k-pop ❤️ Jennie is the queen of k-pop ❤️ and Jennie always be the queen of k-pop ❤️ no one can replace her 😊
all of this could also be applied to adult idols being an adult does not shield you from anything im open to counter argument to help further my view on this
4:00 It's not the kids' fault they're stuck, so we should focus more on how to fix society's view on how people are allowed to grow up. I'm totally for kids having a good time being entertainers, and when they want to quit, they can. If people assume that kids don't grow up or shouldn't, that's their problem, and we shouldn't just stop kids from growing up in the entertainment industry, or being in the entertainment industry at all simply because of others' immaturity in their mindset.
It's the company's fualt