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Lol remember when they closed Lionshead? And then they said they regretted it and they they wish it was a viable studio now? I didn't even play Hifi Rush, but I have a feeling they'll feel that way eventually.
12:10 for Xbox talk
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I think it’s time to admit that while GamePass is a blessing for consumers, it is an economic curse for the company and industry as a whole.
The graph behind Sarah Bond doesn’t seem to support this take…
Greed is a curse on the industry.
@@tylerottenis that why hifi rush studio is shut down 🤡
Game Pass isn’t the problem here it’s sales. You make a $200 million game who do you sell it to. They don’t have a large enough platform base to sell games like that too and when they said hey guys, can we sell some stuff on another platform what did we tell them exactly? We said no we got upset. You can’t blame them for the money is because it cost money to make no money no games.
@@tylerotten the graph is the revenue growth, which makes sense since they adquired Zenimax and than Activision, that's "artificial" growth.
@@jermelpurse3018so you don't understand why games dont sell? IT'S BECAUSE OF GAME PASS
That guy at PlayStation, I can’t remember his name, he was the main boss at PlayStation, he said this on day 1 that a Netflix-style video game subscription service for 9.99 is not sustainable because the games cost too much.
I think most people said this. Most people understood this.
Besides... even worse imo is the quality setup here.
In a gamepass you dont need individual games to be the very best of the best. Your package just needs to be 'worth the price'
So you could end up with a bag of 6'es instead of just buying a few 9's
I hate the concept completely
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DEEPLY respect Blessing's honesty and objectivity with the XBox stuff. Thank you so much for that!
Tim, you talk about the hope of XBox Studios making CoD special. Isn't that what they should have been doing with their OWN IP's (Halo, Gears, HiFi, etc.)???
Love this take 💯
He made clear it was the hope he used to have, not now.
Good God, Tim trying to even make the suggestion that Call of Duty could become more of a Last of Us prestige-type game under Microsoft, after they just totally ruined everything with Bethesda and admitted that they have too many studios to reasonably manage...that's just a wild place to go right now. There is no good here. It's going to be another Call of Duty, exactly as we would have gotten last year, or the year before, or the year before. It's just making Microsoft money this time.
He knows that, he was just speaking about the hope he had before everything went to shit.
Hifi rush was the last/only time I turned on my series s, I literally have no reason to own this box now
Paris kinda cooking on the call in.
No food was made. Stop with the cooking
Xbox has proven that whatever they say can’t be trusted at all anymore, so much double speak and backpedaling from this company recently. Phil convinced the team that gamepass and acquisitions would be the future but time has shown that they bit off way more than they could ever chew with their failed attempt to strong arm Nintendo and PlayStation in to this new era. This company deserves the hate right now.
Forward thinking: Imagine Xbox is narrowing their focus on next generation hardware with a top tier launch lineup... Imagine a PS6 equivalent Xbox releasing in 2026 with a handheld counterpart... Imagine Elder Scrolls 6, Gears 6, Blade, Perfect Dark, State of Decay 3 are day one launch titles. I think they're looking to the next generation rather than trying to dig their way back in this generation. Imagine all 5 of those launch titles as being bangers. What if that's the goal? Release Gen 10 over a year before PS6 and follow the Sony blueprint of a winning launch lineup of games. I believe their big titles stay exclusive to Xbox and PC. Older smaller titles go multiplatform. Gamepass is still in play. And we get a handheld Xbox. I think they're putting resources into that main goal of winning in 2026.
Great conversation. If a game like Hi Fi Rush can't keep your studio open, then no one is safe.
People would be a lot more open and responsive to an actual reason even if they were upfront that it's about the money instead of just falling back on PR speak to deflect that we KNOW it's about the money. Just give some genuine honesty about things.
“What about the Fallout? The conversation has already died down.”
Good. Xmen ‘97 has proven that most people just want to post spoilers and it’s fucking annoying glad that the Bear is launching all at once and people aren’t going sit and spoil it because they haven’t digested a single thing.
Nintendo made over a billion dollars on just mario last year and still let little games and studios do their own thing.
For the love of God, Tim!!!
Please STOP thinking that Dusk Golem is an accurate leaker or insider. He is not, he steals credit for other people's leaks and/or completely makes things up.
You thinking he has a good track record just makes you look foolish, please do your research and STOP GIVING THAT PERSON MISPLACED CLOUT!
3:50 I kinda wanna hear Bless's poetry 😅
Xbox needs to just go third party at this point. They are done
why though? their games won't magically be good if they go multiplat. they will still be the same.
@@p.ukem0n327Not about being “good” but they’ll sell better too. That’s the issue.
Xbox lacks quality and sales numbers. Hi-Fi Rush was anomaly that Xbox themselves didn’t predict.
The Xbox camp for the last couple years has refused to accept the reality that you cannot spend 80 billion dollars on studios and then make them exclusive to 1 machine. The number of Xboxes they would have to sell will never be enough to make those billions break even.
Look what happened with FF7, there are reports that PS5 sales alone isn’t enough to make that game profitable, and we’re talking about the undisputed champion of exclusives together with the more beloved franchise of all time and still it wasn’t enough.
We’ve been hearing about needing to do things for the success of Xbox for years and giving power to devs to make games and all they’ve done is waste money and force devs to do things out of their comfort zone and blame them for it. They did it to the good folks who made fable and now Arkane studios. We’re not even mad anymore it’s just straight up disappointment.
I'll push back on the Arcane Studios take, Bethesda pushed for it to be Live service, MS was hands off and took a black eye for the lackluster product.
@@CheefChaos I didn’t know that thought it was a full on Microsoft situation. Still sucks as a whole but I appreciate the clarity. 👍🏽
"Is gamepass going away or not?" It crazy to hear these words. I don't believe it's possible, because the entire Xbox community simply walks away. Yet I hear that question so much the past week. I feel gamepass needs to change, the new AAA and high profile AA games need to NOT be on GamePass Day 1. But people need that library to stick around or they walk.
The exclusives being there Day 1 is what makes Gamepass better than Sony's Catalog, though. For consumers, at least.
I think if you change it, it still tanks. Not 100%, but a decent chunk
This is just a defeatist way of thinking for xbox. Are you saying their to dumb to charge an extra 30 bucks on top of a gamepass monthly charge for super premium games....holly crap they're stupid
@@thesamuraiman your just a entitled crap bag. Your telling me you wouldn't pay a onetime transaction of 30 bucks on top of gamepass costs for cod? You have absolutely lost your mind...and that's why I absolutely loath the xbox community.
@@thesamuraiman actually, my response was pretty harsh and I apologize. But the essence of my post remains the same. Apologies again. ❤
i would say no, it'll get more expensive, they'll add another tier, or they'll change how some first-parties like COD arrive on the service, but hey, after this last week, month, year, who the fuck knows what they'll pivot to next smh.
I know the focus is on xbox atm but can you say any studio in the world is safe at the moment and especially north American studios with no union.
excited for the Roger Ally X
GamePass needs to change. Day1 games need to be multiple platforms, and all other games should be given a one year period to garner their own sales before going to GamePass. In other words all "AA" games can be day1 but should also be multi-platform, and "AAA" games just can't be day1 for GamePass to continue.
Most people don't care about the people making video games. I'm more worried about my kids' teachers getting laid off. As long as Phil and Sarah appeal to their bosses, their jobs are fine. Stop being fanboys to products. People get laid off every day B.
What are the plans for Screencast or In Review for Xmen 97'? Excited to hear everyone's thoughts
The ABK Acquisition caused all this, cost too much, took too long, and put immense amount of pressure to deliver results fast. They should have just stuck with Bethesda for the time being.
For Xbox to stay alive they need to get rid of gamepass ... Maybe leave it for small indie games or games that already sold well, but the offer was and still is too good to be true. And no one is paying 30 to 40$ monthly subscription, in fact they lose the bulk of their subscribers as soon as they surpass the 20$ barrier
At some point the discussion needs to be had about what happens if this June showcase is a “flop”. Don’t wanna be a downer but that’s feeling like company/ brand altering disaster at that point
It really felt like she did not want to do that interview at all. I don’t really think she even agrees with these decisions to be honest.
Part of me wants to defend the Xbox leadership (Bond, Spencer, etc) as they seem to understand the history of Xbox and the mistakes made but then I think that this same leadership must have put forward the idea of buying activition which is causing this mess.
As I am typing this Phil Spencer hasn't tweeted a single thing since these closures happened. Damn usually he loves flapping his gums but nothing but silence although I can't blame him 😆
it's worth noting that, not by malice, tim seems to be insisting that hi-fi rush/tango is at fault because they didn't hit some mystery metric for microsoft when the reality is honestly far bleaker: they were a number on a spreadsheet picked at random to be closed. not even two months ago sarah bond herself was congratulating tango on some anniversary of the studio and now they are completely gone under the guise of "protecting the business" while pulling in tons of new money. it had nothing to do with success or failure, tango was simply a name pulled out of a hat by someone holding a very large knife.
Tango and Arcane were chosen cause their next projects were the furthest away, so for example Ninja Theory might be next since HellBlade isn’t gonna be doing “high priority title” numbers. Tim doesn’t think they failed, he thinks MS’s expectations became too unrealistic, which is true, HiFi Rush WAS a success for them BEFORE the Activision acquisition went through, but now, it no longer is.
This all boils down to optimal shareholder value, expanding market share, & copyright laws. Until all those elements are revolutionized or eliminated entirely, nothing will fundamentally change. Soon enough, every publisher will consolidate all their studios into one big entity to work on the likes of ESO, WoW, COD/Warzone, or mobile games, maximizing MTX output, retention rates, and corporate profit margins. The games industry is being bastardized for a casino, and every industry is likewise suffering under the shareholder economy at an accelerated rate.
It seems like and what Xbox should do imo. Focus on exclusives and game titles you know ppl will come to play. Use blade as their Spider-Man. Hope this Indiana jones game hits. It can’t take halo and elder scrolls another 8-10 years to come out.
O noooo! What could go wrong!!.... who the hell thought that MSFT coming in, spending 100 billion dollars, just to call themselves tall and MATTER at all in gaming, was going to end well.....
Phil has always been full of shit. This time he threw Sarah under the bus to save his own ass.
It was less of a response and more of a non answer. She literally avoided the questions.
Nick Calandra from Second Wind has a great insight on the Sarah Bond clip where he mentions that her body language and deflection sounds like someone who *knows* the true answer to the question but can't speak it plainly because the decisions were placed upon the Xbox leadership from higher up in Microsoft and the true answer is one that would be even more damning for Xbox or get her fired.
I believe in what Skill Up recent video about Xbox and Microsoft
That instead of Xbox Microsoft changing Activision Blizzard King, It's ABK that changing Xbox Microsoft
does this mean sverytime a studio releases a game xbox is gonna chop them off like a bum leg? this is extrneely unhealthy and everyone should look at any future xbox moves with even more scrutiny. every dev should be scared for their next release. no matter how amazing the next game is their jobs could be cut withut a second thought. not only making a great game but imagine being forced to port your game and then once that done xbox cuts you off? wow a slap in the face with a kick in the head. abox are destroying the industry.
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5 years ago the gaming media, CZcams personalitys and gamers loved game pass and Phil Spencer
Now everyone hates them and says they should have never been this prominent and game pass shouldn't have been created
It's hilarious.
At least people like me who hated game pass and Phil Spencer 5 years ago still hate it all today and are finally proven right 😂😂😂😂😂
💯 for me I wouldn’t say hate but everyone kept labeling anyone that criticized this idea as “jealous Sony fanboys” and now here we are.
If it's not (open) AI, Microsoft just doesn't care anymore.
At times I think we live in a bit of a bubble around gaming. I am wondering if the general gaming audience who plays COD or FIFA actually care about these closures as these are the highest selling games year on year.
Look at FIFA/EA FC, the amount of discourse around the loot boxes in gaming media. Yet it still sold through the roof and generate EA a massive amount of money just in micro transactions alone.
Hi Fi was fun, but its not on a pedestal flag ship game. XBOX hasn't had a must play game in years. They made thier money and dont care.
While I like to be foolish and act like we live in a normal world, there is always lies, deception and trickery all around us. Tim, roughly at 24:05 (or so) you're not exactly off with your ideas, call it a crazy man idea wearing a tin foil hat but honestly i think you're onto something. However as one poster said:
MasterJazz09 - if Xbox shows good games at the showcase no one will care about this,
and... if that does happen everything will end up being moot, as history will constantly repeat itself.
But anyway great video as always!
I personally think these publisher acquisitions weren't about the studios but about the IPs. I believe that Sony was in the process of making Starfield and COD exclusivity moves and Xbox purchased the publishers as a Defensive maneuver. Sony was killing them with these exclusivity moves and Xbox felt like their only option to prevent it was to buy the publishers and their IPs. Now that you've signed the high priced free a free agents (NFL Analogy) you gotta cut some roster depth. Even very good players [studios] who were starters for you last season. I also think that major IPs like Elder Scrolls, Doom, Fallout, Everwild, Gears, Fable, Perfect Dark are alot further in development than anything Arkane Austin or Tango was working on. And resources are being funneled into finishing these games that are closer to completion. It sucks. I hate it. But perhaps some studios have become too lackadaisical under Microsoft hands off business model. Idk. But people always say Xbox has no major exclusives and funneling resources into these bigger IPs is a reaction to that. Maybe they love the idea of smaller and indie games but the consumer isn't supporting that idea. The consumer wants known quantities and Playstation/Nintendo evel exclusives. And as amazing as Tango and Arkane Austin are, their potential to do that is less than say ID, BGS, Treyarch, etc...
Xbox is playing their own version of fallout where they nuke their brand into irrelevance
Why is everyone thinking Call of Duty HAS to be on Gamepass? If Microsoft puts COD on Gamepass, it will LOSE TONS of revenue and will have trained its players to never buy that game again. The math doesn't work. You can't make AAA games and spend AAA money and give it away on a subscription service -- and ESPECIALLY not one with only 20-30 million users. No way. MS is going to lose SO MUCH money.
Because from the user's perspective is the best move, people don't care if is not the best bussiness move as long as they have what they wish for. I'm just hoping they do something in between, like putting at least the X360 CoD games on there and let people play those with no issue, they already make you buy Gamepass for the online anyway, and the best thing they can do now is not piss off the people even more
man im so over indie games in which a sad girl has to jump around in pixel art.
I think there has been a long fighting war at xbox with mircosoft suits. The xbox team wants to the best for xbox as a brand and the ms suits just care about the profit margins. They way you get the xbox team saying one thing and yet do things that contradict what they are saying. Corporations are going to corporate i just need them to stop talking about stuff they have no control over. And yes cod will not be going into gamepass but the plain level maybe only ultimate with a price increase
I don't think there is a good human answer to the Xbox situation. It's just cold hard Business. While hard to take these studios when held up against Microsoft's internal metrics they just didn't cut the mustard on ROI. Even though these titles are fan loved and some managed to reviewed well they just didn't move the needle financially. The subscriber count from all available reports seems to have stagnated or even dropped some. As a result of introducing Games Pass, they have or are training people not to buy games or at least purchase them at a low cost. Similar to how Apple trained everyone that all games and apps cost 99 cents, a race to the bottom if you will. Also, everyone likes to equate Games Pass to the Netflix of games, well how many shows does Netflix cancel or fail to renew after one or two seasons because the algorithm says so the answer is a lot.
I think Tim is wrong with the idea that Xbox have an actual plan. There is no plan no except making back those vast amounts of money. And that does not include putting out lots of quality games. It’s putting out big hitters with battle passes. Unfortunately for them you can’t reverse engineer that, evidenced by the grace yard of looter shooters and Fortnite clones.
This was a stupid comment from her. Wtf
This is what i and a lot of people said, they just wanted the IP's and a big money maker. They give a shit about smaler studios and there games. Thats so fucked up... sorry for the hard words.
Oh and about Call of Duty. The only way how they bring it day one on game pass, is to make a free to play hardcore monetized game out of it.
That will get interesting😅
I honestly have never had any interest in Xbox, and even less in call of Duty. So the two of them together for me is very low on my priority list. Now Hi Fi Rush, however, was on my radar. So more call of duty and Bethesda games is a loss in my opinion.
You are def the minority no offense
What pollock crap i heard heard from Paris and cod is she said yesterday
Jebus. watching Sarah Bond talking to Dina Bass over at Bloomberg yesterday. She looked utterly defeated and exhausted. seems Microsoft's learned nothing. gliding past the question about closing *Tango* when *Hi-Fi RUSH* was a critical success - it's simply a "tradeoff" is some cold honesty. makes me real nervous for studios like *Ninja Theory, Double-Fine, Compulsion, inXile, Undead Labs,* if their survival hinges on "line goes up!" and nothing more now 😐
Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t putting CoD on GamePass immediately make it the worst selling CoD?
You guys are the best Xbox PR team for sure! Always giving them the benefit of the doubt! LOL
Gamepass is dope but just pointless in business. Consoles dont make you money, so making exclusives and passes for your own system is just silly in 2024, especially if you're buying all the studios now they have to make the choice to increase the price of the pass or go against what you told everyone about day one releases, weird strategy lol
Game Pass is the dumbest thing since day one. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
PlayStation and the fans have been saying it for years that doesn't make sense.
Y'all praised it saying it's good for gamers but now y'all are seeing the repercussions, don't cry now lol.
To this day, I still buy the games I play on Xbox.
When Xbox pulls a Sega don't cry and say you wished they never did gamepass. Just remember y'all wanted to be cheap and not pay for the games you so called love.
Game Pass has conditioned ya to not pay for shit. Y'all don't even pay for a game on sale. And y'all talked so bad on PlayStation for not doing that but in the same sentence say you love Nintendo for their exclusives. Make it make since. You can't have amazing exclusives without supporting the industry.
The thing that recently exemplified the Game Pass issue was Visions of Mana on Xbox. It was first incorrectly speculated / bullshitted it would be on Game Pass and when it was later announced to not be on Game Pass on twitter, all the replies were "Will wait for Game Pass"
As a publisher, if you're looking at those replies to a game you've ported to the Xbox, despite the market there for such games being limited, and all you see are people essentially saying "I'm not gonna pay for it" then you're gonna wonder why the hell have you bothered to port it to Xbox in the first place. The userbase is literally telling you they will not buy your game.
A majority of 25m users who have been conditioned to not pay for games. And since they're now in the cost cutting phase, Xbox won't (for much longer) be able to make sweetheart deals with major third parties to get their games day 1 on Game Pass.
So you've now got a business model that won't be as generous to get major games onto the service while at the same time has taught your customers to not pay for games outside the service. It's beyond fucked.
I couldn’t agree more! I game on PlayStation and PC and in just the last month I bought dragons dogma 2 first on PlayStation and then I like it so much I decided to buy it again on PC. We gamers have to show up with our dollars for the things we love otherwise it will disappear. Game pass is going to go down the same path as all these streaming services, it is unsustainable !
@@ooombasa5080 exactly I haven't even touched on the "I'll wait for Game Pass". And then they complain when they see this.
Even now, the only reason I have Game Pass was because it was free whenever I got my ROG Ally and my Dads new Alienware. The only reason I used it was to download the EA version of Jedi Survivor cause the Xbox copy I bought didn't come with the PC Version like my Starfield did.
Xbox literally trained their consumer base to not purchase games anymore and it's bitting them in the ass big time. And the same people who praise game pass will turn around and buy every Switch game but complain about a game not being in gamepass.
And I bet you Xbox is gonna double down on game pass cause that's what they promised. But I guarantee you developers are about to stop making games for Xbox.
Just like you said why would they sit there and wat h people say "I'll wait for it to drop on game pass". Why would I risk making a game for Xbox and get nothing in return.
Hell at least on PlayStation when a game is put on PS Plus, the check is way substantial and then their next release is a guaranteed hit. Just look at the people who made Dont Starve, or the people who made their indie debut on PS Plus. Their game went to sell big time once it dropped on PC.
Hell with gamepass indie developers don't even get to look forward to the PC release making money cause they tied in PC releases too.
It's crazy how they want to complain now.
@@eb1900 Bro exactly! We have to show up with our dollars! Especially when we support something and they make great games.
Look at how PlayStation made their new PS Plus tiers. They brought back a shit ton of classics and games that have already sold hella numbers and added it to their list.
I love being able to stream classic games on PS5 now on top of the added extra discounts on PS Exclusives. Sony and Nintendo are playing it smart.
Make your classic games the games on the subscription base. Add discounts or in Nintendo's side those game tickets and then we get a plethora of games while still supporting the new releases.
Even Steam, they don't have a subscription base but how theyve been responding to the Steam Deck and making the games we already own work for it on their end instead of relying on the developers. It's a win win.
I can go on and on about how the other companies have been doing good on their end for the players but yet all Xbox fans will see is stuff like Sony was making them have a PSN account to play a PSN game. And even still with that being blown up to an extent that wasn't that necessary, Whenever Sony does something that they didn't know they affected something that the higher ups don't pay attention to. They always fix it.
I don't see how Xbox can fix this unless they come out and say not every game can be on game pass
I was opposite. I was buying the games I wanted, and didn't use game pass much. I still had the mentality of wanting the game if it was one I thought I would like. Their announcement made me rethink and be like why am I paying for this still when I don't use it much. Fixed that problem
I think alot of us knew xbox game pass wasn't sustainable an we were just kept being told it was the best deal In gaming year after year when there video game output from there own studios from within was slow an non existence the proof was in the pudding for years...its sad to see that it took a bunch of consolidation an people losing there jobs for everyone to finally admit it
Who will actually listen to what anything the Xbox team says?
Crooked liars man. Sick of them.
Tim still buying xbox exec bullshit makes me 😂😂😂
On the tango question she actually looked as if she didn’t believe what she was saying herself.
Shows should just release week to week. If you want to binge, then just wait. It's not like you care about the weekly conversation. Win-win.
COD is not a Michelin star meal, it's McDonalds for the masses. seeing a lot of smartasses in every comment section telling everyone "it's just business, get over it, artists don't deserve to be treated well, etc." like we're all stupid and don't get that this is just how capitalism works. we do get it. most people angered about all this are angered about the lying about it all, and the cruelty of it all. it could have been handled a thousand times better, and they never had to lie to everyone about their intentions. not that hard to understand, if you have an ounce of empathy in your being.
Xbox is going where the money is. We seem to think that if they build it money will just come but that’s not true. These studios have made great games before and we did not buy them. Dead Space was great. Guess what we won’t get a sequel because not enough people bought it. FF7 Rebirth is amazing. Square is wondering right now how are they going to make this venture profitable. We love the game, but they’ve realized not enough. People are buying the sequel and if not enough people will buy the sequel. What happens to the game that comes after that you know the third part that we need to finish the story. How many people are going to buy it? Xbox is doing what needs to be done. All the other major studios have said how hard it is to make money in a market that’s not growing get mad at them for saying in this market that’s not growing we are going to go where the money is.
Look at what the consumer has told them. As soon as Xbox said, we would like to sell games on other first party platforms. We got out the pitchforks. They wanted to sell games that needed more sales games that we had got enough of and we said don’t you dare. Well how are they the group that is in last place as a first party developer going to develop AAA games that cost $200 million or more and turn a profit. They have the least amount of customers to sell to how do you make money? You have to go where the money is that’s it You as a group of gamers need to let this fantasy go that they can just develop a $200 million game and sell it to this small audience that ain’t happening. Anyone with half a brain knows that so don’t blame them for going where the money is. We told them, don’t develop your games and try and sell them to other people on different platforms. We literally boxed them in and then got mad when they said well let’s turn the box upside down.
In reality, these studios were likely headed for closure regardless of Microsoft's acquisition. As Sarah Bond mentioned, at the time of purchase, the gaming industry was booming and seemed poised for rapid growth. However, things have since stalled, and the industry's outlook has dimmed. Microsoft initially projected growth to justify the acquisition, but when targets weren't met, adjustments had to be made. From a business perspective, it makes sense to cut jobs in areas that wouldn't generate returns for several years or weren't performing well. It's reasonable to wish that a large corporation like Microsoft would prioritize doing the right thing, even if it meant taking occasional losses. However, pretending there's no rationale behind these decisions doesn't help anyone. The economic landscape changed, so plans had to adapt accordingly.
Perris really dropped the best insight into this today. I know he’s dealing with how to talk about people he has some relationships with but he really spoke to the reality of the situation today. Great work.
Funny hearing all these people talking about this that are a. Surprised. B. Thought they could trust the mouthpieces of one of the most greedy companies in the world. C. Think this isn't exactly what Microsoft knew was going to happen with the Activision/every other acquisition. Any one that has any basic understanding of business should have known they weren't buying these studios for the good of the studios, it was so they could get cash cows and cut all the rest of it.
I don't understand why i should continue to stay in the Xbox ecosystems when they actively butcher any studio capable of anything unique or creative. Why would I continue to put more money into a company that actively makes the gaming ecosystem so much worse. Thousands of people out of the job just so Microsoft can make more money from harvesting mobile data and CoD macrotransactions? Nah man.
I'm still on Xbox because gamepass is a good value that was supposed to allow studios to do smaller and interesting things. Let them make art. But now gamepass is just a subscription fee for CoD and Gears. Halo is free to play. CoD has a free to play mode that gets the primary focus of development. I'd be shocked if gears multi-player isn't free.
What the hell is the point now? So I can get access to indie games I've owned on steam for years?
I think I saw Hi-Fi Rush took 50 devs, 5 years to make...
If that's true, I think Xbox probably look at the current wave of incredibly successful indie games with much smaller teams, and much less time which are producing similar to Hi-Fi Rush results.
I don't think every game needs to be Call of Duty for them, but as a business they could spend an amount of money equal to 5 years X 50 devs on a Hi-Fi Rush style approach... or they can scatter that capital across multiple indie/smaller studios and they'll probably end up with more than one similarly-sized success story for the same money.
Voice your concerns with your wallets! These comments on a CZcams channel will do nothing.
I can't lie, I checked out complete when we started talking about Microsofts mobile plans. I can't fake the energy to give a shit about their monetization plans when they're gutting everything else
Is Xbox really relying on Call of Duty players to subscribe to Game Pass just to play Call of Duty?
I know I'm painting with a broad brush here, but I'd estimate that a sizeable amount of CoD players only buy CoD (and maybe 1-2 other games) each year. Why does Xbox think they'd prefer to subscribe to something for $20~ a month instead of just buying the game for a one-time cost?
“This sucks” is not a sufficient analysis of the situation.
What is Greg talking about? Blessing is right. Xbox CHOSE to buy Activision and all these other studios. Xbox COULD have sought other ways to secure exclusives. Greg seems to think Microsoft HAD to buy ALL the studios and shut down these other companies to keep what they want. That's just not true. There are other ways to secure exclusive talent. It's called second party games -- something Nintendo and Sony do ALL THE TIME. Xbox, however, has no leadership and no talent in curating creative and game studio. If this wasn't obvious before (e.g., Rare, Lionhead), its buying of studio after studio after studio, and the sheer lack of production and now closure, just establish the idiocy of this leadership. Bond, Booty, Greenberg, Spencer - they're all overpaid executives who only know how to rattle their mouths. They're all 101 case studies of imposter syndromes.
It's so funny to watch all of KF's cheering on of Microsoft buying up these publishers and devs being thrown back in their faces lol.
^ this
All they care about is clicks.. and opportunities
They are so out of touch with what general gaming audience. They live in their california bubble..
Remember when these guys said google stadia was going to change gaming
Microsoft buying up devs would only have been good if they had showed good stewardship of development teams in the past. They had never proven that, so I’m not sure why anyone ever thought consolidation under their banner was a good thing for games.
Game Pass is cool, but not at the cost of losing Microsoft and their studios. It might be weird to opt for traditional cycle of system launches, but in my opinion, it’s what keep’s the gaming landscape competitive. Both Sony and Nintendo have shown that this generation.
Without ms bethesda close down more studios by now. @@SodiPopMedia
Tim's point about Xbox inheriting Hi-fi rush is quite flawed. What was the point of acquiring the studio if not for what they were already working on??
And if they acquired it for a different project, then why not just scrap it and get to work on the new thing that would, supposedly make millions??
So this whole thing of Xbox not planning on having Hi-fi rush as a stellar game makes zero sense
It’s wild to me to think of Sarah Bond as anything but in complete control of that situation and this just being exactly how those questions were planned to be answered.
If anyone thinks she felt tense, it’s because that’s a planned action she already thought several steps ahead from even more angles than anyone here can consider.
Microsoft gaming now, Xbox gaming is over.
It's almost like prioritizing year over year infinite revenue growth for shareholders doesn't actually work... Record company profits, also record mass lay offs. This isn't even late stage capitalism anymore, we've moved well past that.
This is not meant to be a slight against kind of funny, but it’s quite often that you guys talk but don’t say actually say anything.
It’s just part of talking for a living I imagine.
Yeah that’s how any live radio talk show is
If you think they're bad, you need to venture out
@@jaybeeme That's not what I said at all.
@@Kmaitland89 you didn't say "it's quite often that you guys talk but don't say actually anything", and it didn't come from you thinking it happens too much or often? Hmm....
As much as some don’t like it. It actually was smart to have call of duty be the big showcase game at the end cause then it will hopefully make ppl sit through it to see what other games Xbox is doing.
Why try to make excuses for Sarah Bond? We wouldn’t mince words if it were Jim Ryan.
If you haven't already dropped xbox as a primary platform, you get exactly what you deserve....which is nothing
I hope the console space does not turn into the mobile space with a race to the bottom.
The Sarah interview WITH the YoY growth of Xbox behind her is completely damning
Honestly Xbox needs to be purged, the leadership is complete shambles, & if MS want to save Xbox as a console, that leadership needs to go, it’s failed.
Thing is I suspect it's these leaders that are keeping XBox from being scrapped entirely. Because it was Phil who saved it from the garbage bin in the first place. If they go, Xbox likely goes.
So get rid of Phil, Sara and Matt and just let Satya and the typical MS bean counters run Xbox? You think Xbox is cutthroat now? Imagine if they didn't have Phil begging Papa Satya not to throw his toys (Tango, Arcane Austin, etc) in the trash for a quick buck.
@datsneakysnek if they go I'm pretty sure Xbox goes with them. It's only because of Phil that Xbox still exists, let's not forget they wanted to kill it long ago.
@@jeffcarrier9808100% for better or worse, it feels like Phil is the only thing keeping Xbox together. Without him it all falls apart.
Everybody’s been saying this for years, but nobody listened. Same old song and dance from these guys.
I think it can be simply summarized: closing Tango invalidated the vast majority of what might be considered Xbox's mission statement. Tango checked nearly every box of what they claim to want (and continue to claim to want even after closing them), and yet they were closed. Their mission statement is now proven to be an empty promise, and there's no reason to believe anything they claim to seek. I say this as a LONG time Xbox fan. In one action they managed to burn every ounce of trust one could possibly have in them, because their actions were completely senseless.
Critically Acclaimed does not equal Critical Success.
Movies, Music, Games.
success can be measured in more ways than money, Nintendo knows this, Sony used to know this, and Microsoft seems to have never understood this.
@@NF_Reduxnailed it. Thats why Metroid still exists.
Hifi showed Xbox might not be completely soulless. Now they ripped that out. Congrats guys. Well done. You dont get gaming..... at all.
As far as you could give MSFT or Xbox actually credit for Hifi in the first place
I think Tim was right about Xbox just dumping Hi-Fi Rush and then being surprised that it had a positive reception. Xbox was probably planning on axing the studio the whole time. Xbox needs to have a huge shakeup of leadership.
At this point, just shut Xbox down
Mark my words, 2024 is going to be a make-or-break year for Xbox.
They already broke
i dunno, i've been hearing this for a decade.
Just watched the Sarah Bond interview on Bloomberg: that's not an exec. being unprepared, that's a person trying to put on a brave face while shriveling up inside. Yeah, I know, she'll be fine when she gets ousted in a bit, but still hard not to empathize.
In theory, call of duty would make more money with gamepass if they get new players and they spend on MTX
Isn’t that was PlayStation did. Used the marketing and exclusive cod content to help fund other games
I do agree with what KF has said the last few days, that if MS didn't have front facing public figures, they wouldn't get the same type of flack. This sucks, but it's industry wide so it's wierd to me to come down harder on Xbox. And I loved Hi Fi Rush
Another thing that sucks about all of this, regarding Xbox's upcoming showcase: if they show off a cool game, I'll be excited about it because I plan to play it on Game Pass day one. I'd imagine that most people on Xbox have Game Pass as well, and plan to play it there. But if success on Game Pass is no longer a metric that Microsoft cares about, then that thing is doomed. And in terms of support, those of use who HAVE bought into Game Pass shouldn't be expected to buy these games in addition to playing them there, because being able to play them there is the entire thing we're already paying for.
Game Pass is a value play, but value hasn't been a barrier to growth in the industry for two decades. The largest barrier, by far, that keeps people from buying more games is the time they have to play them, and really it's the time they are willing to spend on them. Quality is king and has been for a very long time. When a game gets a 70/100, the reviewer labels it "good", but the community calls it mediocre. That's because there are too many other options out there that are a better use of their time. People don't consume video games like they do TV. And even if that wasn't the case the long term result of a subscription model is the reduction of investment in the games in order to increase revenue once subscriber numbers plane out.
i don't want Xbox to exit the market like most people seem to these days. i want them to start over from the ground up, fix their shit, and be better on all fronts. if they leave the space, and no new player enters the market, it's bad news for Playstation customers, because Sony will have nobody to compete with. they barely have someone to compete with now, honestly, and the anti-consumer bizness they pull even now will just happen more and more. same for when Microsoft emails talked "Spending Sony out of business", everything i just said about Sony applies to Microsoft as well, and then some at the moment.
I think Gamepass can work if they get titles like call of duty and blade in there. If Gamepass goes away you can go ahead and close Xbox’s doors. As of now there’s no reason to have an Xbox if you don’t have Gamepass
You guys need to stop using financial terms on your podcast if you don’t know what they mean. Revenue is not a good way to measure the success of a business instead, you should be looking at profit. Revenue - expenses. You need to look at how much money you took in how much money you had to spend to bring in revenue and then what do you have left over? That’s your profit. That’s how you guys do business just look at how much money you made you have to pay lights you have to pay gas. You have to pay employees and after all of that, there’s money left over. Xbox has to do the same thing when they make a game every year they say revenue is going up that’s because prices are going up so naturally every year revenue increases for a company but the question is were you able to generate a higher profit margin. That’s not just profit that’s division profit/ revenue. One year you could have great profits and low revenue. You get a really high profit margin. The next year you could have really high revenue and low profit. You have a really low profit margin. You’re doing worse one year than you did the last year, but somehow your revenue went up. It’s something most people don’t know how to do very well. It’s the reason why this decision had to be made numbers do not lie. These studios could’ve made some great games for $200 million but they wouldn’t have sold well. Xbox has the small list to sell to And that base told them we don’t want you selling our games on third-party platforms. We just did that a few months ago when they announced four games were going to third-party platforms people were upset. They said we can’t do that again. How are they going to make money then.
Everyone’s going to say well Microsoft has money. Microsoft isn’t supposed to have a division where they have to fund it completely and the division doesn’t generate revenue or profit. Nobody makes an investment and watches it. You want to see some black if you don’t then you cut. These studios had to be cut because they couldn’t generate black. They were in the red.