Why rFactor 2 Is Still The KING of Car Handling
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- čas přidán 15. 07. 2024
- After spending a week deep-diving into Assetto Corsa Competizione, I came back to my long-time favourite sim, only to find its charms resonating more strongly than ever.
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2:29 - See if you can spot the birds going 200mph 😂
That was the french planes for the 14th july not birds x)
How can i get this track ?
@@ACFUN34 steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1621253575
pozdrav ermine! kao Balkancu jako mi je drago vidjeti da polako postajes najbolji jutjuber po pitanju simracinga, svaka cast (nadam se da razumijes jezik, nisam siguran). A question for you, you mentioned some rally sims in the video, would you say that Richard burns rally or some of it's mods are still the best rally sim? That game gave me all the neccessary rally techniques and skills, i enjoy playing dirt rally too, but rbr is something i was always in love with
@@oliver.faerber Thanks alot !
Just played rf2 for the first time yesterday. Most amazing feeling thing I've ever come across in my life when it comes to simulated racing. Flat-spotted my tired one lap and felt it in the wheel! Just the most accurate feeling race sim I've ever experienced. I'll have to try this combo out!
Big deal, even the original Assetto Corsa has FFB effect for flat spots.
Also, in AC you can't drive a GT car through the sand without losing any speed, the ability to do that in rf2 is NOT a positive point. And so far in AC I haven't seen the bottom of the cars go through the track surface like they do in this video.
But ACC isn't as good as AC anyway.
@@ueberlicht_ I don't know what rf2 smokes, or what you do.
@@mikke73 "But ACC isn't as good as AC anyway." Jesus Christ. That is a take and a half.
Rfactor2 with Assetto Corsa’s online race hub would be awesome
If ACC had rFactor2's FFB I'd never play another sim .. and I'd probably only ever see the Nordschleife - all other tracks would cease to exist.
Try JustRace.Net great new thing for rF2 online racing
@Ermin Hamidovic - I have an idea for video for you. Try out the Porsche cup car in ACC. It is a car that was missed by a wider public and it was tweaked (better brake modulation, remodelled tire compound) with the GT4 update. It's a blast to drive.
Great idea. It can be a shoot-out between ACCs and rF2's respective Porsche Cup cars. Now if only 397 would give us the same Nurburgring layout as ACC..
@@Ermz That sounds like something I'd definetely watch! :D
@@Ermz You can use Silverstone
I'm so happy seeing content of this quality from a CZcamsr being made about rf2. GG
THANK YOI VERY MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO. I was new to sim racing in pc, downloading/ brought every top sim available right now. I was stuck play acc, & iracing then finally optimized my refactor2 brought some tracks & downloaded a few mods. HONESTLY WHEN I DROVE OUT ONTO THE TRACK FOR THE FIRST TIME. IT PUT THE BIGGEST SMILE ON MY FACE. AMAZING WORK THAT TEAM HAS DONE! Just insane. DEFF THE KING!
This is why I love r factor 2 I had it for close to a month and it is so good. I love the handling and physics it feels so much better than any sim I have used before.
That was a really great video. That Tire Cam view was an original and inspired bit of work there Ermin. Kudos. I've spent the most of my last week's driving time on Nords, which I think has been recently optimised. Rf2 AI are the best. Only in Rf2 have I been so immersed as to start to step out of the cockpit to fully road-rage-punch the other driver after an open wheeler tangle... only to be jerked back to reality by my headset cable! AMS2 has a certain something in the driving still but doesnt come close in the offline racing or track selection. Can you please do a video on how to set up a quick multiplayer server for friends like in AMS2 next please ;)
Odlican klip, kao i uvijek, svaka cast samo naprijed:)
I used to ride Bridgehampton with my friends on our bicycles back in the 60's . Im racing on it in Rf2 and its like going home again. Thank you Rf2 for this wonderful track that unfortunately was sold to developers for houses.
This track looks great I'm definitely going to download it! I get my daily fix of sim driving from rFactor2, and during, I find myself doing laps and smiling from being so impressed with how it feels!!
I would like to see more beamNG and rfactor 2 in VR.
Note to self: download this track.
I've only recently got Rfactor2.. I have no clue. :) seems like I'm paying a lot of money to get anything extra into it so I'm just on the standard game for now.
The mod-version for AC is absolutely fine, but the rF2-version is just superb. Ofcourse depends on which car mod.
gibe link pls
@@thomassmith4999 That track and Longford are the best....!!! and yet its free llok at the workshop both traks are the best
Thomas smith nah you dont need to pay for the dlc’s, there are amazing freeware mods and tracks on the steam workshop and race department
Best sim racing channel on CZcams
Loving this game at the moment thanks to you. Legend as you say 🤣
RF2 needs some classic first party content. GrC, Gr4, Gr5, Gr6, Classic touring cars, maybe some old IMSA GTO/GTU.
I LOVE that Bridgehampton circuit. You can lap it over and over and over again and just laugh the whole time.
Great driving, always fun to watch race cars pushing the limits on these bumpier race tracks. PS, I had to double back when you mentioned BeamNG to make sure I heard right. Happy to hear more people recognizing BeamNG's potential in rally driving!
rF2 and ACC are so close in FFB quality that it really boils down to personal preference. rF2 adds a lot of forces into the wheel you don't feel feel in a real racing car, and it does communicate those forces extremely well. ACC has opted to go for a more, dare I say, realistic feel in the wheel, where oversteer for instance isn't felt (like it is in real life, you feel it in your 'behind', not in the wheel). I switch back and forth between ACC and rF2 quite often, and can just say how happy I am I have two sims with excellent FFB with enough minor differences to keep things interesting. Now all I need is for AMS2 to actually offer some content I care about...
Can't wait to try ACC with a full motion rig. That should fill in the oversteer blanks.
Ermin Hamidovic motion definitely helps you feel what isn’t coming through on the FFB. Even with motion, I’d say tactile is the final piece of the puzzle for driving at the limit.
Whenever I drive and forget to turn the buttkicker on, I can immediately tell something is missing.
For reference: using Accuforce DD wheel, Next Level V3 motion platform, buttkicker Gamer2 transducer.
I don't know about ACC being close to rF2 FFB-wise. I find it very irritating that as I enter a corner in ACC and push the car a bit, the wheel starts going progressively emptier until I feel nothing, simulating understeer by turning the forces off. That ain't right and neither rF2 nor AMS2 do this. This "empty FFB on understeer" effect is very old and I'm disappointed ACC doesn't have more communicative FFB about what the tires are doing in a corner. I run a T300RS BTW.
MadMaxBLD are you using a LUT file? I was unhappy with the FFB on a TS-XW until enabling / using a LUT file and also raising the minimum force to ~7. Worth a shot
Maybe it's matter of your settings? I definitely can catch even small glimpses of oversteer on T300RS in ACC. Switch off wheel damping in wheel and game options.
100% agree!! That 488 GTE drives so well, lap after lap!
I totally see your excitement, that tracks looks pure adrenaline and the alive.
It's an old Assetto Corsa mod that was converted to rF2.
Its also the KING of empty public servers too..... well that and raceroom.
One can be confusing for new comers so they look else where and one is just too expensive (unless you get one car and buy a couple of tracks)simple as that ,hence ghost town servers.
yeah, rFactor 2 has the best driving experience (I hate the semi-useless clutch) but lacks in multiplayer
RF2 has always been league based so if public servers is your thing or what you had been taught then looks elsewhere.
There is so much league racing going on you wouldn't have enough spare time for it.
Also they are working on a competition server, now that the new UI has been released, all in due time.
@@christosswcSo basically it's a "league based" i racing then Without the huge price tag...
If a company makes a game just for or mainly for league racing on a already niche market then don't expect to grow a community, i mean it obviously will but at a very slow rate. So if that's there business model the fair enough 🤔🤷♂️.
@@t8365 The sim is constantly evolving.
Like I said there's a competition system in the works, now that the new UI has been launched.
Also the economics are going to change.
A few months ago there was not a single paid DLC in RF2.
So they started being released and with the COVID situation turning things into a race the paid DLCs kept coming out at a fast rate.
This created this messy situation that is already being addressed, with all the cars now being added into multi-car DLCs etc, it is a situation that is not intended to be like it is and is going to be improved on.
I am not an RF2 spokesman, but it is my favorite sim I have been doing for the past 3.5 years so I have seen it develop and happen to be somewhat informed of what the future holds in store.
rFactor 1 and 2 has always been about league racing . I do a majority of my sim racing in rFactor 2 . Endurance races, sprint races, etc. Just do some googling and you will find them.
Great vid mate. May have to give this RF2 thing a crack. Can you put down in the description what songs you are featuring?
Love your passion. We really need to get more people racing with Outlaws rfactor2 community so we can all get away from iRacing
Great vid! Did you happen to like the Race 07 series of sims? I have them all and the FFB is awesome. Runs smoothly on older rigs too
Love this track I just did a video running the 1966 Can Am cars in AC. Good fun.
There's nothing nerdy about watching tire deformations. It cn teach you a lot about what's actually going on.
You mentioned Sebring and going on the grass. That's what happened at the IMSA race over the weekend. I think it was Stephen Simpson trying to make an impression; he got two wheels on the grass while passing a slower class car.
Just like in the TV ads. The car and the road is enough to enjoy the experience of driving. And when it's not, use the AI, join some league or race with your friends. But the fact that just driving to the limits of the car and track is already fun talks about the goodness in this simulator.
Mario Andretti's debut in 1965 at the 500, he said it was a tricky circuit, look where he ended up! Magic track been playing it since GPL, this is a Dream Racers Track... :)
You should do a video about the weather in rfactor vs acc
I could have sworn I heard you say "you understand what murder-sport is" at 7:49 ........took me a sec to process, lmao
I feel Reiza should have used RF2 for AM2 instead the Project Cars engine.
I agree. I still much prefer the physics of ams1 to ams2. Ams2 with the floaty disconnected feel, especially the tin tops . It has to be the madness engine doing that.
Absolutely agree 100%. Also, due to using the Madness engine, there'll be NO MODS for AMS2. UGH! Terrible decision IMHO. I think this will hurt AMS2's longevity.
Unfortunately, I think that was never a viable option for Reiza. You can't really blame them. They got an opportunity with the Madness engine and grabbed and they are trying to extract the best of the engine.
@Andrei C ISI and now Studio 397 always wanted to keep the rF2 engine exclusive. Reiza tried to negotiate the engine already for AMS1 and it was no go, so that's why I said it was never a viable option.
@Andrei C Very interesting, thanks for the info! It's a shame S397 and Reiza couldn't come to an agreement. Imagine if they worked together as one team and fully developed rF2 into a proper sequel. rFasta 😎
Yeah for sure I’ve had long gaps away from rf2 but when I come back I’m always like wow this sim is top notch every time lol
Really love your videos. Still on Xbox so will have to make do with ACC, AC1 and PC2 for now...
Have they released the console patch for ACC yet?
No don't think so.
@@gingersnaps7186 Yes they have now!
This is my favorite track in all of simracing. I love it in AC and in rFactor 2.
What is the Name of this track?
Love this track too. Riverside , another US track is awesome too if you havent driven it. Typical US track, with cracked tarmac and fast sweeping sections a bit rough round the edges and little concern for safety.
Hell yeah love these northlane tracks!!!
Always loved rf2 ffb n physics it really is rop notch,
And with the right combination rf2 is probably the best for pure driving experience, meaning feel, changing gear with a old open wheeler with all the road detail through the wheel
God I wish Bridgehampton still existed. Obviously it'd be unsafe for modern racing but it's one of the most fun track
You are Still the King of Kings rFactor Ben Hur
1:13 How am I suppose to focus on what your saying with that sick metal in the background? 😂
Already sold on rFactor 2, but now sold on that track.
You got me to buy RF2 and I am thankful to you :). All the things about the tires and FFB are amazing. I can feel a surprising amount of detail even with my low end wheel. Thanks!
It literally takes 2 seconds in rFactor 2 to understand why people love it so much
I'm halfway through following ur notes on installing rf2... all recommended cars/tracks bought, now to fire it up and work through that gastly menu gui...
But will get back to it once I'm done with ACC OOR 6hr Spa enduro as I'm really interested if all ur crowing is legit :)
Yeah the UI is terrible, just close your eyes until you hear the engine start lol
Finally got his game working great and I have to say it’s bloody amazing. Puts a smile on my face from start to finish. Played with the variable weather aspect and it’s great. I play iracing and ACC and AC and Automobilista 2 and 100% agree the force feedback is unrivalled. I just wish it had an online experience like iracing and ACC. Does anyone know if they are planning to improve this aspect because if they did no one would play any other sim!😜And I love them all😀👍✌🏼
Great video.. I had just driven a few laps in the LMP2 at Sebring after a few weeks of neglecting rF2 and man does this sim feel great!
BTW, why the hate towards Codemasters? I recently bought F1 2020 but requested a refund after 90 minutos of driving, since it isnt really what I look for in a racing game, however I recently bought a real handbrake lever for Dirt Rally 2.0 and I am having lots of fun throwing rally and rallycross cars sideways... What exactly makes you actively not support CM? Just curious.
Bro did you actually open this video with Northlane?
Subbed.
"Driving feel" is everything...otherwise you just playing Mario Kart.
You must try richard burn rally mate! :D
Until recently, I was in the Raceroom camp. It took feeling a car sliding in RFactor2 to get me to realize the error of my ways.
Now that is not to say that I will never play R3E again. It simply means that I will be running RF2 when I have a racing itch.
Question: If the shining aspect of a racing sim is its physics (handling/FBB) at what point does that aspect depreciate on cheaper steering wheels? I love rF2 for how well it runs but I constantly fight it as a VR driver (UI) and the don't really like the lack of consistency with regards to assets (cars/sounds/tracks) and I wonder if I should just give up on my starter G920.
Our tracks are still very old school in nature. To me, they feel similar to mid-90's European circuits.
One thing that game misses ist accessibility. I like to drive from time to time. Ach worked finde from start, ACC very fine, Race room has quite confusing menu. Ac an ACC needed 20min after first start to run, rrr about 30min. But rf2 is a pain in the ass. After an hour of checking and getting my T-GT to work, i still have no ffb Feeling. And it's not clearly understandable why. This is a point they really need to work on. I mean, due to family time ist limited and not everyone is willing to invest such amount of time until you can start driving.
@@ueberlicht_ thank you. I really appreaciate IT.
@@ueberlicht_ later that day I will write to you about my issues with the Game. Thank I'm looking forward to really enjoy this game
@@ueberlicht_ One problem is, that I don't know what is modded stuff and what is oringal stuff. I installed it and it downloaded a lot from the workshop. After desubscribing everything, nothing was left in the game. But ok. Main big reason I dropped the game: I set up my wheel and ffb like some youtube vids said. So driving Zandvoort with 2012 F1 car was ok. But then I downloaded track Bridgehampton and Muscle cars. I didn't change a thing in the settings. But there is no ffb left and the car just keeps accelerating alone. I just can break. No reaction to steering. The change view buttons don't work. I change to zandvoort and F1 cars, everything is normal. And this is the same with other cars and tracks. And I don't understand why this is happening, is there a difference between modded stuff and original stuff. Where do I see what is original. I wanted to buy Reiza tracks and cars and other stuff. But with this problem I won't do it. YOu know AC and ACC start , set up FFB a bit, some buttons und let's go. DOn't know if anyone else got problems like this
What do you think of Automobilista 1? For me RF2 & AM1 are the sims that put the biggest smile on my face. I gave ACC a break & now I cant get back into it, even with the gt4's.
Just watching, You can visually feel (is that a thing) just how bumpy and broken up it is! Wishing I had a wheel, and pedals, and rig... and and... But paying in Rands HURTS!
Thanks Loved this vid, and the rF setup (Helped me, could not figure it out, went back to ACC, P2, to RR, to ACC...)
I bought it during the Steam sale. It has the new Zandvoort layout and a Radical. Good deal! I really like how you can balance the Radical on the edge using the brakes and throttle. The physics model is great. I could feel that immediately from the feedback I got from my motion simulator. No tuning required. I could drive it on the egde in a few laps thanks to great FF and motion physics. One of the most 'authentic' sensations. But it highly depends on the car and track details. I still like Assetto Corsa very much (everything can be tuned to perfection). Not a fan of ACC however; the GT cars feel 'sterile'.
Thanks for the video! Do you know if there is any online platform commin for rfactor 2? Something simple like a timetrail on AMS2 would be amazing on rfactor.
Yes its true North America has some excellent tracks but, in response, I would like to personally thank the Aussies for their undying support of the slightly outdated, mostly overkill, and 100% magnificent V8 passenger car.
It'll be great when someone combines all of the best components from the best sims in order to make...that ultimate , in your face, seat of pants realism.
Short of climbing in a gas powered version at least
Maybe I'm insane, but I want to race this IRL.
Still waiting to learn what your preferred Fanatec DD1 settings are for this sim. The Fanatec provided ones are fairly useless! I'm not experienced enough yet to dial them in myself. Please help.
Apart from all that - there is NO POP up anywhere. Thats AMAZING. Is it like that on all tracks?
Completely agree here. As much as I love ACC, which happens to be my main sim of choice, rFactor 2's handling is just on another level. After playing RF2 for an hour or 2 and then switching back to ACC the steering / ffb just feels so dead and numb. It's insane the amount of detail they're able to put through the wheel in this game. I still go to ACC for my favorite circuits / multiplayer but when I want an insane driving experience I hop in RF2. And whenever I have people over that want to try out the sim rig RF2 is what I fire up for them. RF2's VR is also fantastic as well and runs super smooth. I had to do quite a bit of tweaking to ACC's VR to get it run right (and I'm on a 2080 super / i7-7700K @5ghz / 32gb RAM). These 2 games are basically what take up all of my free time outside of guitar / production.
Ohh the Northlane music makes sense now...
Nice vid!! what's the name of this track? sorry for the dumb question, not an english native speaker here, so didn't manage to catch the name correctly to look it up.
I'm with you on Americans know how to build a racetrack, F1 US should move to Belle Isle! so they had to have some spring settings instead of just setting up for perfect sleek tracks.
Which track is this (he only said it once but didn’t quite hear it, sounded kind of like Richard Hansen but can’t find it on Google)? How many mi/km is a lap?
Looks a lot like one of the mod tracks for AC I saw in one of Jimmy Broadbent’s vids (I think he said it clearly, but don’t remember exactly which vid it was).
What is the Track called at 2:30 you love? i didnt understand the name :(
Regarding what Ermin mentioned about Americans making phenomenal road circuits, it's dumbfounding to me that they have several awesome road courses that see so little use in major series. I would pay a lot of money to see NASCAR at Lime Rock Park or IndyCar on the full layout at Watkins Glen, or even IMSA or Indy heading north of the border to race at Circuit Gilles Villeneuve in Montreal. There are so many great circuits which could easily be considered among the best in the world, but they just haven't been fit into a regular spot on schedules that revolve heavily around oval races.
loving the DOOM music :D
I re-downloaded from Steam and it wouldn't even run correctly. It tried to run in Windows 8 mode. Is it still not working on no more than 8 gigs of ram? Looked like it was going to take a month of work to get it up to snuff for new PC so I removed it and upgraded AC with new mods. They need to seriously update it.
Fairly new to Rfactor 2, what are everyone's favorite track mods? Thanks!
ALL DLC TRACKS
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Some free S397 tracks
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All these modders are good :
- Pixsim
- Senormen
- heikki21
- lemax
- Nibiru
- odb (lot of good tracks)
- da-digga
- schumi21
In VR and motion rig it is so immersive....
Do you have tire wair in this game and pitstops
#DaleYeah 🏁
I'm American all I know how to do is turn left, I have rfactor 2, for the NASCAR mods!
Quick question does RF2 still use the same physics/ physics engine for RF1?
Fuck I want your tune for this track.
BEST track: bridgehampton period!
Wait which track? Where did you find it?
I feel ACC has what I think as the "correct" handling. I don't know why but I just can't dial in RF2. Subjective of course.
is the 488 a delivered car? or workshop? i cant seem to see it in the standard list!
There are a couple. The official one is the best. You have to purchase it from sector 3 in the workshop. It’s like $5 usd I think.
RC Heli Pilot thanks. My bad I was only looking at packs. Not individual cars. Just had an offline race with the 488 on this track. He's right. It's amazing!
ShinjukuSensei : i agree, the GTEs in rf2 are in a really good spot now. I think i read that they are giving the same treatment to the GT3s soon as well!
Wow, that track looks so unfinished (the track itself, not the mod, lol) - I love it! I definitely have to add that to my inventory...
The one thing that has continued to draw me to rF2 since I picked it up again (last drove it before Studio 397 took it over) is that I can FEEL the car when it's at its limit, and if you back off a bit, you can easily regain control - and I'm still driving with my ancient Logitech G25! I can only imagine what this must feel like with a modern wheel that has much better fidelity. The biggest common issue with other sims I've tried (including ACC) is that you get to a point where you've lost grip, and NOTHING you do gets you that grip back... That "endless slide" syndrome. Sure, I've lost the car a couple of times in rF2, but in situations/areas with enough tarmac, you eventually get some grip back, and you can continue on. With "endless slide", you pretty much have to wait for the car to come to a stop.
Try original AC, I've regained control from slides more times than I can remember. As far as I know it generally has better feel than ACC, although I have not tried ACC myself - too narrow focus.
I have played about 1200 hours in AC because of SRS and great modding comunity :). Now I am playing ACC and I like the rating system and safety rating. There is none ot this in RF2...
Ermin man you have to play AMS 1.
You don't get on throttle steering in any other sim? That and trail braking are the first two things you need to be able to do and control to be fast in any sim.
@@ueberlicht_ So why make a stupid remark like he did.
how are his graphics so clean? reshade? if so can someone link me a tutorial thanks!
Well, no words are better about RFactor 2.
Rfactor 2 is a father, stubbornly not wanting new stuffs that can make himself better, yet his experience changes him instead.
You don't feel fun with him at first, in fact you will despise him, but later on in your journey, you starts to gain more respect about him, regardless you feel fun with him or not.
I can go on about this metaphore, but you guys know.
This game ultimately inspires most sim that we all love and play today, yet the very existence of Rfactor 2 in today's world really felt something special, something you don't get playing other sims.
IMHO, despite all the shortness of Rfactor 2, it truly are the game that makes me feel like a racecar driver the most.( Sidenote: Studio 397, go on with Rfactor 3 already)
Sorry for the long text.
4:44 graphics have nothing to do with physics
You are right about that. He spent a lot of time on that explanation for nothing
Are you aware of any guides that make it easy to find good RF2 content as I’ve found the quality... variable. I’ll be checking out the track you mention here though so thanks! I have to say I’ve been enjoying ACC too but RF2 performs much better in VR.
I think Ermin made a video on that a couple weeks ago
@@Jt7166 Cheers I'll dig through his videos...
@@Zeeflyboy no problem, you are right mods can be hit or miss in rf2. Depending on what kind of stuff you like driving I can recommend a few cars and tracks if you'd like.
@@Jt7166 Very kind, I would happily take suggestions as I'm both relatively new to proper sim racing and time poor at the moment! Currently enjoying GTE/GT3 the most.
@Zeeflyboy here is Ermins vid which is a great start czcams.com/video/U71yI8jCvdY/video.html.
Official content such as Sebring, Nurburgring Le Mans in the rf2 store are excellent. Some good mods are the Global endurance cup, which gives you all the Liveries from the WEC roster, plus some tracks like Spa and Shanghai steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2110884303
PLEASE HELP! can anybody recommend me good realistic settings for DS4 controller for rfactor 2? I recently started using my ps4 controller on PC for rf2, since I can't afford steering wheel
What music is this? I need it!
Extra points for Northlane.
totally agree, RF2 is king !! just imagion RF2 and ACC had a baby, what a game we would have
I agree 100% with you Ermin , Rf2 has the best physics out there .I can tell you from first hand at least out of the perspective of an ex 996 GT3 RS Track Tool Owner with many laps on the Ring ,Zolder and Spa back in the Days Rf2 gives you a real good feedback pretty damn good ( as a Sim ) close to the real thing compared to other sim titles ( i have all the mayor once on PC ) Rf2 is always a pleasure to drive with a grin on my face .After i migrated full to an remote Caribbean island the Rig is the only thing around what can get me a close Fix. Rf2 makes my day all the time .
It would be great to do the Title with a kind of an AC CM and tweak the Graphics up with something like SOl and CSP.
By the way keep up the good work here with your Channel you do a great Job !
Greets from Aruba .
Can you cover RRE?
What GPU do you have??
Why am I the only one having a cartoonish graphics even with highest settings? Any tips?