Automobilista 2 vs rFactor 2 DUEL - Which Sim Handles BEST?
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- We shoot-out the EXACT same car and track on both games. Which of these two racing simulators is the best?
0:00 Start
1:31 rFactor 2 - Metalmoro AJR V10 @ Brand's Hatch
4:44 AMS 2 - Metalmoro AJR V10 @ Brand's Hatch
10:24 Outro/Summary
Laser-scanned Brand's Hatch for rF2: www.internationalsimracing.com...
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Quick revision: I may have been thinking of another 3rd party track in regards to the AMS mesh. It's possible the rF2 version of Brand's Hatch is based on a different scan than AMS 2's, so bear that in mind. The tracks are marginally different. For the next shoot-out I'll take one of the lower aero cars, and a track from the Reiza pack, so they're completely identical!
It would be good to see how the new AM2 V10 F1 content stacks up against RF2s Maclaren MP4/13, a truly epic car. Laser scanned Spa is available for RF2 but not sure about AM2.
can you please do a review on raceroom
@@1968CraigUK laser scanned spa comes to ams2 in december
If the developers or rfactor, ams, r3e, acc and iracing joined forces, we would have one hell of a sim!
maybe too many cooks, though? :)
But you need variety to improve.
I went PC2 to AM2 and it felt like going to a game to a sim. Really love AM2 specially in VR
@@kolysion164 I think you haven´t really played AMS2, it is not because AMS2 doesn´t have 150 cars (that never seem to impress me because PCARS FFB is garbage) that it doesn´t have variaty, it just has different one.
Thanks for always having awesome content! 👍 Keep it coming. Not sure if it’s your thing to put a cam showing your rig while driving but it would be interesting to see the rigs communication during your commentary
Thanks for the comparison!! Much appreciated.... and looking forward to more AMS2 and ALSO ACC (I hope) comparisons to RF2 and AMS2 re: handling & track feel. I get very little understeer feel with ACC and SC2. Still working at it, but even though I'm retired, I only seem to get to the rig once or twice a week. Waiting to see what I can do with ACC before I start working in earnest at either AMS2 or RF2 (although I have both). Thanks again!
Honestly you are right on line with Chris Haye with your videos. Your content quality is of the best in the sim racing community. Your production quality has massively improved and with more time I think and probably money, you could be eye to eye with Chris Haye.
Cheers
Great video, timely too as I've been wondering how AM2 sizes up to rfactor2 for handling and FFB. I think in summary they must be close enough that either are a safe bet and as RF2 isn't the best performing VR sim then possibly AM2 is a good option.
Thanks for the download link for Brands Hatch too 😁
I'd like to see a comparison of the Caterhams in both games. They are steered a lot on the throttle, so it would test how controllable they are in comparison to each other. Having driven the Caterham Light on a track day a while back, I can say the Caterhams in AMS 2 really surprised me, in that I felt instantly at home with them and drove them how I drove the car in real life.
@Ben T. It is amazing mate. The developers take a lot of time transferring the physics of real life cars into the simulator.
Hello Ermin,
Great video as always buddy! I am in need of a bit of help, I am struggling to get AMS2 to respond even remotely naturally at the moment and I do't know what to try. There is no real latency issue from what I can detect, all aids are off but I feel like the sensitivity of steering is really low and it requires far too much lock to get the car to turn (far more than I would typically use). (Speed sensitive steering is off). I've only really tried the F1 cars so far, it may be an issue with them? I am running different amounts of lock ( setting it so it matches on screen). It actually feels best when I set it so that the on screen wheel is moving more than my real wheel, about 360 degrees on my wheel. Is there anything else you would recommend trying? I've sacked off the game twice now and gone back to ACC, Assetto Corsa and RF2. AMS1 was the absolute king of physics, I can't get AMS2 to feel even playable yet. :(
Ermin, hello! A month ago, after watching your videos, I decided to buy myself rfactor 2. This is a real racing experience. Yesterday I decided to turn on ACC and was amazed at how different the sensations are. I didn’t feel that the car came about at all has a suspension. It seemed as if she was riding on rails. The difference is really felt. I ended up turning rfactor 2 back on.
Yes, I feel much the same when jumping between them. Glad you're enjoying it!
Acc has still ffb problem. AC much better especially with lut file
@@cakarbilal What is "lut file"?
On the subject of what sim has the most "advanced" tyre modelling/physics:
- rF2 tyres are a hybrid dynamic and steady-state model, with a dynamic brush model for the contact patch and a steady-state 3D modelled carcass (look-up table of baked-in pre-calculated values; it can't do anything that's not already accounted for)
- AMS2 tyres use the Seta Tyre Model, where both tread and carcass are dynamic, being calculated in real-time based on what's going on with the car/track.
It's difficult to directly compare the capabilities of each tread model without looking at them really closely, but both are excellent. rF2's steady-state carcass has limited dynamic range and might not respond to all situations properly, but since it's not run in real-time it can be higher resolution for the situations it is set up for.
It’s a lot more than static vs real time carcass or thread more modeling. iRacing NTM v7 calculates almost everything real time based on physical tire model, but is still considered its weakest point. Seta is not that advanced as SMS would like you to think. rF2 static lookups enable to account and calculate much more things than in pCars2 TM. I believe only downside of rF2 approach is that you have to spend a day or more generating/calculating a tire on an average PC. Pre calculating to lookups in rF2 is not really limiting - I believe only in extreme circumstances, like crashes.
@@JanKowalski-kb1hd Do you have sources explaining details of the physics in the mentioned Sims? Hard to find.
I do not agree on NTM v7 being the weakest point though. How so? It is probably the most advanced tire model in any Sim. Just takes time to get it set up right for a specific car (for the developers) -> took over a year to get it right with the Skip Barber only. But when properly done, it beats everything on the Sim market IMO.
Concerning AMS2 I would be much harsher: That physics engine completely failed. Every car no matter what class has the same stupid oversteery feel out of corners, just feels plain wrong. I give it a shot after every update again and again... never with a better verdict so far.
@Marcel I guess you’re an iRacing fanboy who defended and will defend NTM no matter what. If so then perhaps one of these will shake your confidence:m.czcams.com/video/eUklObi3Jeg/video.html.
Assuming Skippy tires are now close to real, why it took whole year? How do you know values didn’t have to be fudged to give realistic behavior? If NTM7 or whatever it’s now called is based on first physical principles , then why they just don’t roll out this new NTM update on all cars? Why the need of extensive testing and tuning for each car?
I propose you to listen to the independent opinions of racing drivers, rather than iRacing marketing posts of how revolutionary their TM is.
@@JanKowalski-kb1hd Did you watch any of the Race All Stars series back in the summer? I don't think I saw a single real driver say it felt like the real thing when asked. They seemed to be relying on what the visuals, rather than the the FFB was telling them. Not saying anything is better, just I think were kidding ourselves with all this 'my sim is better than yours' talk. They're just different from each other, people just prefer different things. I'd wager that if all the sims looked the same, and we picked random cars and tracks that we weren't familiar with, no one could consistently identify which is which from the physics alone.
@@puckletruscot7562 Exactly.
How do you decide tire pressures in AMS?
Great video as always!
I'd love to see a modern F1 comparison between AMS2 and rFactor 2 mods (IRG, ASR or FSR).
In the tracks department, I expect rF2 to be ahead of AMS2 as of now, but is there hope for the future? :)
Would highly suggest using an EQ to roll off the low end of your voiceover audio below the like 150hz range. So much boom.
I would suggest you a proper headphone, not something boomy and muddy.
@@omeee That has nothing to do with this.
You know this guy's day job is a world renowned mastering engineer, right? Lmfao
@@MustakimAlMahdi Okay? That doesn't change the fact that the VO in this is pretty bad.
I'd love a comprehensive Nordschleife lap guide please. I too mostly hot lap the Green Hell, (Assetto Corsa) I am however considering getting the rFactor 2 version as the FFB & physics model seems to suit me better than AC's which altho' is good I find challenging. I also found that after some time in Ams2 I was better able to cope with the AC's model (a nice unexpected bonus). I'd definitely appreciate your insights into the Nordschleife tho'. Great video, thank you
Why did you not use tracks from the Reiza rf2 track pack? Eg Imola in AMS 2 and their rf2 version of the track, there are a few others in that bundle that are also in AMS2. I would think this would have been better for what you were trying to test?
Hi Ermin, really stoked on your videos, these are what made me jump into rfactor 2 and sim racing in general, coming from a hardcore flight sim background.
I have a newbie issue though, regarding LMP cars (both URD, endurance mod and the oreca).
I get a crazy amount of oversteer all the time and especially at high speed.
I've got the hang of the GTE cars quite nicely and absolutely love the AM Vantage and the F 488, and can keep up/ and sometimes beat 110% AI, so these cars I can drive decently imo. Mostly driven SPA and Le Mans.
But the LMPs No fucking way, any settings or something Ive mightve missed?
Using a T300 Alcantara and T3PA.
Peace
Nice comparison. I definitely prefer exact same car/track comparisons (for next time too), as the differences are in the details these days making comparisons with different car/track combo's about useless.
So what was the result exactly? The same car made by the same devs drove entirely differently on the same track, eventhough it isn't the same track because you talked about the bump in that one corner not being there on any other version of Brands Hatch? Why didn't you use one of the tracks from the Reiza rF2 pack? Did you even check to see if the cars used the same setups in both games?
Comes down to game physics and mod it’s self
This comparison is like figuring 2 of which one is better with the 2 best swords in the world with a duel
Great video
11:00 i don't think you should ever compare two sims to figure out which one "handles the best" based on a single car/track combo.
obviously it takes more than that but this is youtube and this one track one car comparison is still great for those of us juggling which titles to buy
I have every sim. It all depend on wich track/car combo you drive and which settings.
But since I run tripples 3 x32 inch 1440p automobilista 2 is the best for me. Ams2 runs butter smooth. From the other sims I get a little bit dizzy, but not from ams2. Graphics are amazing, sound,ffb ect. But the best driving experience is the new bmw m4 on the Nordschleife at Rfactor 2. And offcourse many combo's in Assetto corsa, csp.and sol.
The dream sim would be a combination from them.
I had rF2 running beautifully, then I installed the new Ferrari 488 GTE, and now it runs terribly. As a result I've lost all enthusiasm for rF2 again. I don't understand why everything is so painful with this title. So disappointing.
With AMS2 on the other hand, everything is so easy to get going! AMS2 is my goto sim atm for sure.
Congrats on the sponsorship man! That's great!
buahaha
@Not your Subscriber Thanks - I'll give that a go.
FYI - You can easily change the granular details by using a custom FFB.ini file... I get very detailed road surface and engine details.
Ermin, if you want to research the car you drove, it is a Brazilian prototype, the first to be more accurate. Metalmoro JLM Racing AJR! The LMP2 monster on the Brazilian tracks. It is worth researching about.
For a car with so much downforce, the main weakness in A2 is not to obvious, that being the tyre model. On the limit you get those constant micro slips that do not unsettle the car. Similar to PC2 I would say.
Just a personal feeling, I haven't played A2 too much, but A1 felt better on the tyre model in my view. Curios how others view this.
Agreed. Every car handles the same in A2.
Rf2 is ugly and not so polished. But damn it feels amazing to drive.
Laser canned track mods in rF2 which come from mostly ac have really higher grip than other mods or official contents.
So you should try out this in official tracks like Imola or Virginia or Suzuka.
i cant get rfactor2 to work with my DD1. it finds the wheel when i detect it but i have no response from any of the controls.
no problem with other games. any tips
thanks
I think you have the issued. If not.
Same problem with my CSR v2.5.
You have to learn every control yourself.
Double-click on the control setting, then für example turn wheel.
The MetalMoro AJR does feel "OP" compared to others, but IMHO its definitely the most fun out of every sim that exists. On Sebring...oh man, its pure joy!
I agree, the AJR on Oulton Park in AMS1 is like a drug. So fast, so direct, you can correct slides in a super realistic manner. It just drives like a race car should drive.
Cadwell Park in the Formula 3 is my fav combo in AMS 2 so far.
Would be great to see Suzuka with F1 comparison.
The curb as Sterlings in real life isn't dome lifted like in AMS 2 but it isn't flat like in RFactor2. It is raised at an angle but not massively. I would say if you run the curb a bit you will be fine, so too high on the curb and it will spit you out. So it is sort of in-between the 2 games.
More AMS2 videos tutorials and track guides 👍🏻
Does am2 play more like ac? I tried a rfactir demo and it felt like a 90s game...no real feel to it at all...
Hi I need help. My g29 pedals are very strange when I press the throttle it shows that I hold the clutch and when I brake it shows that I accelerate and when I clutch it slows down. Anyone know how to fix this?
Yeah mate, had the same problem, you might have dust in the pententiometers (not spelt correctly), your gonna have to clean them, search on youtube how to clean potentionemeters
@@deanparaskevopoulos2409 thx for answering my comment but my pedals works fine on ps4. so that shouldnt be the problem but thx anyways
Check your gsuite setup. Could be that combined pedals is set on the profile.
@@heinrichetsebeth157 combined pedals is not on but thanks anyways.
@@FAKURA321 i had that problem, it happened randomly and i couldn't find the fix for it but then i had some problems in f1 2019 with the feedback and i changed the registry values in regedit, which fixed that and my feedback thing (i read that f1 2019 writes directly to registry and it changes them, so it applies them for all games afterwards). Maybe google for default registry values and change them but DONT FORGET TO BACKUP THE REGISTRY. dont do anything before that. hope it helps
edit: checked again its project cars 2 not f1 2019 my mistake
Good video. I was really enjoying the Rf2 1975 Silverstone before the AMS2 DLC came out. I could get 2 seconds faster in the RF2 BT44. Comparing the two tracks in terms of loading screens, Rf2 is hands down the winner.
What do you mean "comparing the two tracks in terms of loading screens". How is loading screen important to anything?
@@Ewooy I'm guessing you havent seen the loading screen for Rf2 1975 Siverstone then. :D
@@simonolsen9995 I haven't. Will have a look next time I play rfactor. Cheers!
@@Ewooy Good on you. 1975 Rf2 Silverstone is honestly a really good track too. Perhaps I was even a little disappointed by the AMS2 track in comparison TBH. Thats why I threw it up as a serious suggestion for Ermz to review. But the loading screen really is better too. ;-)
The custom FFB for AMS2 are a game changer, has anyone else tried them? You can tweak things like kerbs and scrub and ground effects etc as well and its not to difficult to do so.
kolysion what custom file do you use for project cars 2 because there are various options? I agree that the content is great in PC2. AMS1 is great as well and good value for money particularly with the many mods available.
I use Lexx v1.59 (watch Mikk Schleifer’s channel to see it in action) and absolutely love it: forum.reizastudios.com/threads/new-and-improved-lexxvrs-custom-ffb-for-ams2.10540/
@@gjdriessen1 For PCARS2, try Chrisiaan's Pure FFB with Standard FX and anti-oscillation. I've found it to be pretty good on my TMX Pro, YMMV on a different wheel. But it's the best I've found so far.
I just realized that I may not have Brands Hatch for Rf2....!? I can't seem to find it in the Steam workshop?! Perhaps it's under another name? Thanks! Ok, sorry, just found the link in the description...Thanks again! Now I'm wondering how many other major laser scanned tracks I don't have...hmmm
Take a look at this mate.
forum.studio-397.com/index.php?threads/all-aviable-laser-scanned-tracks-rf2.66814/
Best regards 👍😆
@@memoNo1719 Thanks!...;)
Formula Vee @ Ibarra would be a great comparison.
Yes Nordschleife comparison please!
I’m not a hardcore sim driver. I own rF2 and both ACC sims - interesting to hear you say that ACC is more “realistic” in force feedback and power steering modeling.
Would be awesome if you did this video again in 2023 with all the AMS2 updates that have come out.
hi, you could compare the caterhams on rf2 and am2 ond brands hatch.... both sims do have these cars in stock content...
No! The rF2 catheram is absolutely not official + have ULTRA old physics.
Would be an ultra not fair comparaison!! 😉
Can you do this again... but with AMS2 now
Ermin, would love to see you do a video comparing the default vs. different custom FFB options for AMS2, and seeing if one of them can surpass rf2. I use LexxVR’s ffb file ( forum.reizastudios.com/threads/new-and-improved-lexxvrs-custom-ffb-for-ams2.10540/ ) and the crisp micro detail it surfaces on my DD1 is fantastic. Check out Mikk Schleifer’s youtube channel ( czcams.com/users/MikkQUICKMIKK ) to see it in action - he lists it on the description of each of his ams2 videos, which he posts more often than using his other go-to, which is rf2.
They both good i think?
You should race with the guys at xfactor racing. You obviously love rfactor and it beats hot lapping by yourself
He really used Maximum Tune ost
I keep trying and trying but AMS2 still just doesn't do much for me, especially tin tops. Cars are too whippy and pcars2 like. Still prefer AMS1 vs AMS2.
Same. I think i'd get back into AMS 2 if they add mods
@@MrTripsJ I actually recently fired up AMS1 for the first time in at least a year, probably more....I forgot just how good the open wheel cars in that game drive. AMS2 just isn't to that level yet for me
@@MrTripsJ No mods for AMS 2, Madness is unmoddable outside of skins.
@@MichaelJP madness engine is modable but there are a lot of limitations. It definitely won't be the same as AMS1.
@@Jt7166 Do you think we'd ever be able to bring tracks and cars from PCars2 into AMS2?
one of these has a DOS prompt HUD
I think you don't need to compare the exact same content to notice a very different approach in these two sims. I suggest anyone try Corvette C6R GT2, Nissan GT1, Nissan GT500, EVE F1 1968 and feel the very good physics, sound, and FFB that you will not encounter in any other sim despite these content age. I Like AM2, but I don't know if it will reach the level of AM1 in physics regards.
Maybe through updates.
compare the brabham BT44's
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Yes i lift ACC after hard brakes in on that sharp left hander
Compare GT3 cars from ACC and AMS2. Technically, ACC seems ahead, but i like how GT3s behave in AMS2 and the sound is just to fall in love with. There is so much creaking from the chassis and gearbox screaming, i just love that. Especially in the Porsche.
I’ve only been sim racing for two months and have bought all the games. Ie AC, ACC, rF2, iRacing, Race Room, and AMS 2. I think AMS has lots of potential. Just a shame it has PC in its shadows.
You could do Silverstone and Ibarra - McLaren MP4/13 and Formula V10. Silverstone because it's, well, Silverstone. And Ibarra to compare how they handle understeer/oversteer rotation in long, slow corners.
I came to conclusion that AMS2 cars drive like motorboats - enter corner at reasonable speed, turn in and smash throttle. Rear will steer the car around the corner like on rails.
In real life AJR runs at Imperio Endurance Brasil and don’t use a V10 it use a V8
My salary arrives on Tuesday. --》 I'll finally buy AMS2.
Reason: Your video 🕹🦄😊
I test both,both are good but i'm brazilian and i like opalas so...i pick this one,now not just cause of it but i think AMS2 overhaul is better both games are master piece.
Could have used VIR or Oulton Park instead..
Why isnt this released on Console?
rFactor 2 probably because like 90% of the content is downloadable workshop stuff and mods. Wouldn't work well in the console format. AMS2 because it's pretty new, only came out of early access over the summer. With next gen releasing, it probably wasn't worth it to port and Reiza is a small indie team I think.
rf2 has more physics being simulated and is definitely more realistic. AMS 2 is undeniably fun though with it's excellent ffb. Loving both at the moment. Try rf2 Brittus 49 vs AMS 2 Lotus 49c at Reiza's Virginia Raceway for a great comparison.
Yep but will say ffb in rf2 is amazing
rF2 doesn't simulate dirt on tyres and track-temps have no influence on tyre-temps. Also there is no real clutch in rF2 and puddles in the rain, but I love both.
When GT3 cars come to AMS 2, it would be cool doing a comparison to the official Studio 397 GT3s along with ACC and could even throw iRacing and Raceroom in there too. They all have Silverstone and the Nurburgring GP.
I love rF2, have had it ever since it first came out and I'm glad S397 took ahold of it and brought it back to life. IMO it has the overall best car physics of all sim racing games out nowadays. BTW I play iRacing the most out of all simracing games I have.
AMS2 is also good but there's one thing that irritates me- the lock to horizon settings, I like to lock to the car and it's super annoying to have the road wobble like crazy (same in PC2) and having it set the other way around, it's just as bad even when locked to the road especially when you go off the track onto dirt/grass and the world and car both wobbles in a weird way.
Well phyisics in rf2 are bugged as hell.
But the ffb is very good.
Can you ask real life racing drivers which game is the best?
rfactor 2 it's impossible to control with a keyboard, AM2 it works fine. Tried both demos.
Even if rf2 drove better I still wouldn't prefer it. The UI and the general difficulty in setting up a single quick race is a pain in the ass. On my fanatec csl elite F1 ams2 genuinely feels better to.
You should try FIA GT1 2010 mod for rFactor2. The Lambo RSV GT1 on the Nordschleife. FFB strength 60-65, smoothing 4, low force boost 0. Basically, the lower the values are, the more realistic the steering feel is. Once you tune this mod up, you will have a hard time getting back to AMS 2. It is that good. And don't let the rudimentary UI drive you away from this wonderful sim. It's all about those 3 sliders I mentioned.
Automobilista 2 is on sale this week. Smart move Reiza, especially after the disastrous abomination called Project CARS 3.
We know the answer is rFactor does.
I don't trust the madness engine to be realistic.
Still no AMS2 for me. No madness engine ever! AMS is still the best. rF2 was good but Studio 397 is neglecting the AI
@Andrei C Tried AMS2 again but oh boy..what a mess. Comparing AMS 2 vs 1 i find AMS2 a major downgrade on terms of sound(!) Physics and ffb. Probably the major advantages of the Madness Engine are rain and VR. Such a shame Reiza has put themselves into this state were they want to be as good as AMS1 at least but my oh my
...working on that madness engine must be a total hell. Especially the GTR3 class felt even worse than GRID.
Really dude? RF2 DA KING
rfactor..
None of them, Raceroom makes the race.
Dat juicy click bait title lol
To much publicity impossible to see the video bro
Also its a pirated copy of Assetto Corsa's Brands Hatch.
rF2. AMS2 really doesn't have good FFB although it's getting better.
The answer: iRacing.
Rammy lol yeah if you can’t drive
Rammy cry more because you can’t drive
What is this BULLSHIT you're talking about?
Where on earth did you read that the version of Brands Hatch in AMS2 is created from the rF2 version?
And this rFactor 2 version is a MOD, RIPPED from Assetto Corsa.
Reiza is a very small studio and they would not risk a lawsuit for a stupid reason like that, so they make their own tracks and cars from scratch.
AMS2 has SO MANY tracks, why can't you choose one that both sims have and is made from their teams, Studio 394 and Reiza?
AMS 2 is a disappointment to me, havnt bought silverstone yet, and won't until it becomes a proper sim like AMS 1