Why The Titans Used The Hizack [Question of the Week]
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Anaheim Electronics are the true villains of Universal Century.
Military industrial complex selling to both sides?! Who would believe that? *Stares at US military contractors*
@@justinjacobs1501 😆😆😆😆😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
+ VIST.
@@justinjacobs1501 it's literally stated in Universe... MULTIPLE TIMES.
The first half anyway post UC 100 it's the Jovian Empire
"It's not about how the mobile suit looks"
Gunpla Modelers: I'm gonna stop you right there chief...
"GUNPLA IS FREEDOM!"
-some modeler idk
@@ryuuohdeltaplus7936 to be fair there are some freedom gunpla...
Syd Mead: *laughs in Sumo*
G-Reco suits: *looks around uncomfortably*
@@ryuuohdeltaplus7936 That would Meijin Kawagushi, a fictional modeler
who is based on a real person lol the first 1 tho not the third from what i read
I always thought the HiZack's design was a 'joke' by the Titans since the Zaku was a symbol of Zeon, and the Titans were basically a Spacenoid oppression unit, a little psychological warfare goes a long ways. I grant this is just a head-theory of mine.
I thought they were simply using designs and parts from captured Zeon forces and bases. The Gelbaldy was a cosmetic upgrade of the MS-17 Gelbaldy which was being developed at Zeons Hell's Gate asteroid base. Why throw away a perfectly good MS?
Your not the only one I had this thought too.
Remember that machine you made to fight for your independence well now it’s what we’re gonna use oppress you.
More like the Feddies wanted superior mobile suits :^)
The Titans are a black ops unit. They would probably need Zaku-aliked for false flag operations.
@@allengordon6929 that works to an extent until you realize they're mass producing then.
Titans: we are the new monoeyed robot master race!
Zeon Remnents: *hold my Heat Hawk*
Here's another reason: AE didn't just acquire Zeon's mobile weapon _engineers,_ they got the manufacturing plants and existing tooling as well. These facilities could probably make Hizack parts with minimal modification but would have required a fair bit of investment to retool to federation-style suits. A similar thing happened in France after it was liberated in WW2: When they rearmed, what they had around were facilities and parts for german-style tanks, so that's what they started out building as a stopgap measure until they had the time and resources to refit everything. Their first self-produced tanks (as opposed to ones received from other allied forces) near the end of WW2 were german Panthers put together from existing parts, and their first post-war designs had a number of distinctly german design elements.
The longest users of panther tanks in an army were hands down the french. Because a bunch of them were sitting around and they happened to be occupying the factories at the time :)
A brilliant extrapolation!
yeah that was basically my assumption too. the Federation needed cheap Mobile Suits, and Zakus were both cheap and mass produced in factories they now occupy, so it makes sense to just slap some new features on the Zaku and call it a day
Also in a Meta way the Hi Zack sucking also parallels this as they hated the Panther for being slow to fire and unreliable.
8:59 I have to admit, I do like how Anaheim was so good at playing the Titans.
Whoever Anaheim backs will win the war, this is true for all UC wars.
@@dappercrow1454 nop, AE wins every war no matter which one they back up.
Yeah that’s why they back all sides. No matter who wins, they get to stay in business. Kinda scummy, but all things considered, they’re pretty much impartial just as long as they get paid in the end.
Is it just me or does Anaheim Electronics responsible for manufacturing the weapons of a lot of conflicts
war profiteering....it's a beautiful thing if you are the one getting rich off of it
Why stop a war, when there’s money to be made.
They literally try to extend conflicts, a clear victor is starting to develop? Start making nicer suits for the other side to even it out.
Stonks
@@thatoneguy1085 Anaheim Electronics, as long as we get paid it doesn't matter who wins.
Zaku(II) was the most produced mobile suit in UC history when the OYW ended there is still a lot of suits, parts left not to mention the half-finished suits still on production lines. The HiZack was designed to reduce the cost for both production and maintenance by reusing the parts from Zaku as much as possible.
Wouldn’t that mean other Zeonic suits would be around with very Gouf or Gelgoog like features? Though there was the United maintenance plan which standardized parts
Zaku2 production might have been stop at the late stage on the OYW, but restarting the production line with similar parts seems a much more effective way of producing cheap MS.
@John the Skub miner Maybe they wanna finish the remaining green paint? At least in my mind ^^
Agreed. Same reason so many T-72s and earlier Soviet tanks are still around.
@@Xeno-The-Wanderer Gelbaldy. It was a Very late war Zeon MS prototype developed at Hell's Gate.
Honestly, the Hizack always gave me the impression that it was meant for either late in the OYW, or the interim between it and the Titans conflict. It's an in-between suit, roughly on par with a Gelgoog, but not good enough to keep up with better units. Kinda the same situation as the GM 2.
A bit worse than the Gelgoog since it can't run a beamgun and beam saber at once and needs to choose beamgun and heathawk or beamsaber and machinegun
@@DIEGhostfish True, but do mind the state of Zeon's supply line at this point. They kind of didn't have much in the way of options but to do that(and as it stands, it may have been a measure to cut costs on the Hizack to crank more of them out).
Also for a "Peacekeeping" force like the Titans, you don't really need to give them that good of a machine so giving them a Hizack which is Cheap but good enough of a Machine also makes sense,
Another reason could be similar to the French in the Interwar and Post War years,
During the Interwar years France didn't Invest Heavily on it Military as they lacked the Economy to Build it up after WW1, Command was also slow to adopt and improve on Tactics, Communications and Weaponry for example the French in the interwar period for the most part still used Signal Flags over Radios because they feared that the Radios would be tapped by the Enemy,
In the Post War Era, France had a Shortage of weaponry as they were Occupied in WW2 and had to Restrore the State after the war so they had to rely on Captured and Lended Equipment, so in the late 40s France was able to use The Panther of WW2 fame and began complaning about it.
The thing i loved about zeta gundam is the fusion of Zeonic suits and federation suits between the two sides. Amuro piloting a zeonic like suit the dijeh and rick dias(spirital rick dom successor) and Char/quattro piloting a gundam and later a gundam prototype in the hyaku shiki. Titans fielded two Psychomu gundams and the GM 2 was still seen being fielded along side the hizacks pretty late into the gryps conflict. Felt natural for the fusion of MS design to make it to that point.
For all the seeming absurdity of the Titans fielding lots of Zaku-looking Hizacks in Zeon colors, there are plenty of occasions in Zeta when you're reminded that it's the Earth Federation the heroes are fighting against. GMs, Guncannons, and Tin Cods (those crappy Federation fighter jets) appear in decent numbers in the early story arcs. It's surprisingly late in the series when the remaining Earth Federation forces are absorbed by either the Titans or the growing AEUG, and the heroes end up killing rather a lot of loyal non-Titan Federation soldiers before that point.
I was under the impression that the Hi-Zack had some sort of connection to the Act Zaku which was supposedly stolen by the Earth Federation along with the Gabaldy Alpha. It was a Zaku that used a beam rifle and beam saber, and coincidentally the beam rifle the Hizack and Marasai uses are the same design as the Act Zaku. Would’ve made sense for the Federation or Titans to build a machine based off Zeon’s own design just to give them the middle finger.
Is was Act ZAKU using Hizaku and Murasai's beam rifle, not the opposite. The Act ZAKU do have its own beam weapon back to OYW era, which is a beam machine gun.
Also, it's not only Hizaku and Gabaldy beta. They also made refined Gelgoogs, ZAKU Marine type and etc.
I love how the act zaku is able to use more than one beam weapon while the hizack can't.
AE: "We have these mechs sitting in storage, ready to go right away, cheap."
Titans: "It's free real estate."
For the exact same reasons:
Apple: "We have these computers ready to ship, cheap."
School systems throughout the U.S: "We'll take'em!"
This dude’s brain is on a whole new level. I can’t be bothered to search the internet for instructions on how to make a burger much less search through hundreds of manga. This dude is truly committed to this CZcams channel.
The Irony for me is I love the Hizack in GBO2 with nothing but its Machinegun and Heat hawk.
The beam rifle is a serious contender, despite its poor fire rate. The beam saber just sucks, though. less damage and a poor animation that leaves you prone to knocking down allies.
The Hi-Zack doesn't seem too bad. It has the thrusters on the side of it's legs for precise handling. However, at this point everything needed beam weapons.
And protection against them. But... There's plenty of older MS the Zeon forces were stuck with these would work just fine Against. I'm guessing the Hizack was supposed to be going after Zakus and Dom's not newer machines.
@@JeanLucCaptain that's what I assumed, the Feds/Titans honestly didn't expect their enemies to be producing anything to really worry about. To that point the remnants had fielded what they had on hand, either stock or modified and the Hi-Zack would have faired well against that. No one predicted the Gryps war sadly.
@@banebeard How could gassing an entire colony possibly start a war?! Who would've thought 😂
@@JeanLucCaptain tbh I'm baffled by it, some folks are so sensitive about the weirdest crap.
@@banebeard like having thier Homeworld blown up just to make a point 😂
2:03 I believe Anaheim was divided into 2 different branches, Granada and Von Braun. Granada was mostly Zeon engineers and Von Braun was Federation
real world was that when they designed the MS someone said that the villains of the show (the titans) couldn't use GM derived MS because it would confuse people that watched MSG. really.
That's pretty typical of most franchises, when you have that definitive/iconic "look" for the villains, you kinda want to stick with it, even when the new villains aren't the same as the old ones, we see this in the alternate Gundam timelines, 9/10 times the main villain MS will be green and have a single eye
The Titans DO use GMs in the show, though. Quite a few of them.
Though, now that you mention it, it is noticable that when Titans GMs show up, usually Char is the one to kill them. Kamille does kill some GMs at Jaburo though and, I think, one of the moon battles as well.
I can't imagine the Titans saying" we are not bad guys now let's pilot mobile suits that look like the enemies that we fought in the one year war" nothing suspicious about that.
Because Bask cares so much about public opinion, right?
8:00 there's also another reason that links with that one. there's no need to make a "high end" unit either. they arent at war, they just needed basically "police worth gear", and even if it gets stolen, they wont risk being nuked again.
its kinda like today, the US is looking to revive the mid tier fighter, even if, in a dogfight, it holds no candle to the top fighters, it will be cheaper to produce, cheaper to refuel and cheaper to maintain. for a massive army, a weapon you cant use because it needs repair is less usefull than one that is only a third as good, but can actually get the job done.
Except the point of having top tier aircraft means you own the skies and require less aircraft filling the skies to be damaged in the first place, stepping down makes as much sense as shooting yourself in the foot. Yes, you'll get disability payments but you can now no longer do what you once could do with impunity.
@@Feiora except, not really, top fighters are absurdly expensive to fuel, and have pitifully low flight times.
nobody is saying that there shouldnt be top fighters, just that they arent as needed for like anti-helicopter, or just border patrol.
for example. an Super tucano costs around 6M, is easy to train, can stay in the air for 8 hours straight, costs around 500 bucks per hour to stay in the air and is pretty cheap to maintain. now compare it to an f35. 90+M each, with 40k per hour, requires intense training, has a much shorter flight time between 2-4 hours, and requires pretty specialized constant maintenance.
@@marcosdheleno And theres the rub, sure the Super Tucano has 8hrs flying time and whats the point of that if it takes you forever to get to where you need to be? Why must the soldiers on the ground need to wait and die for the slow prop instead of the fast jet? Economics is a poor excuse for the families of the guys on the ground that die waiting for CAS... On the flipside, theres no reason to keep pushing for more expensive jets, F-16s and F-18s should be perfectly fine considering that most airforces have similar or older aircraft, there really is no reason to goto F-22/F-35 level of air control unless its First World vs First World...
@@Feiora but that's my point, also, the super tucano is basically a weaker but cheaper A-10. and i used it as an example because it is a pretty cheap combat aircraft that has alot of use nowadays exactly because its "underpowered" in comparisson.
besides, in many situations, using a f16 or f18 doesnt actually means a better result.
The thing I liked that was mentioned in Advance of Zeta was that they had so much more combat data for the Zaku compared to the GM and that's another reason why the Hizack looks more like a Zaku.
Do you know where I can read a English version or where I can buy and English copy Advance of Zeta.
@@garmr2512 sadly I don't know where one is anymore. I just Googled it years ago. There were tons of incomplete chapters in the one I read and i don't remember the site.
@@Xarco90 thank you anyway seems all traces of it are gone. :(
The Production of the Hi-zack is. Covered in Advance of zeta flag of the Titans where the Titans test team use the prototyoe hi-zack. By that point the efsf had been using Zaku II F2 units and Luna II was operating the Galbaty beta. It was made by AE to be a cheap production unit for the normal federal forces based on the zaku frame and able to be made on leftover zaku production lines. The Titans test it because a organization there size requires steady me supply so with the adoption of the Hi-zack they ran there own tests to see if it was worth using. It wound up adopted to fill ranks like the GM II.
I think it's also worth mentioning how well the Zaku F2s performed in the Delaz Fleet crisis considering how antiquated and relatively cheap they were compared to the more advanced GM Kais and Augusta Project GMs like the GM Custom. It's safe to say that probably made a difference in discussions of cost-effectiveness following the nuking of the naval review.
@@jeremyscherer8828 www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/aoz/yrms-106.htm
Here is the YRMS-106 HI-Zack pre-production general purpose mobile suit as seen is AOZ : FOT
Manufacturer: Anaheim Electronics/Earth Federation Forces (Confeito Arsenal)
Built as a joint venture by AE and the MS plant at the former Solomon base hence the 10 in the 106 code as zeta Era ms used by the Federation the first two digits are the plant code the hobby version of the suit is retooled at Luna II plant 11 production site of the Beta and the Custom.
The mahq profile on the pre production type is below.
The RMS-106 Hi-Zack was the first mass production mobile suit created by Anaheim Electronics. Its external appearance resembled that of the famous Zaku II series used by the old Principality of Zeon, and this design could only have been created by Anaheim, which absorbed the Zeonic Company that was once Zeon's major mobile suit maker. Zeonic's development know how was incorporated in the machine's inner construction as well as its outward appearance, giving it the same high operating reliability and ease of production as the Zaku II. Naturally, it could use beam weapons, and it was the first mass production machine to include a linear seat and panoramic monitor as standard equipment. The Earth Federation Forces made a tentative decision to formally adopt this machine, and a test evaluation unit was assigned to the Titans Test Team to investigate whether it should be adopted by the Titans as well. Its resemblance to the Zaku II made the Hi-Zack unpopular with the Titans, but their need to ensure a sufficient number of mobile suits for their growing organization ultimately left them with no alternative. The YRMS-106 Hi-Zack typically carried an energy pack holder on its left arm. Its backpack and leg thruster units lacked the deflecting plates seen in the final production version, and this early version of the Hi-Zack was armored with Luna Titanium alloy.
One of the first new mass production model mobile suits developed by the Earth Federation Forces following the One Year War, the RMS-106 Hi-Zack was closely based on the old Zeon MS-06F Zaku II used during the war. However, it did incorporate modern design features tested in the YRMS-106 Hi-Zack. Protected by lighter titanium alloy/ceramic composite armor, the Hi-Zack's solid weight was greatly reduced, allowing it to carry larger capacity fuel tanks and more powerful thrusters to take advantage of the extra fuel, with the result of greater speed and mobility. The Hi-Zack was also the first mass produced unit to incorporate the new 360-degree panoramic monitor with linear seat style cockpit. The Hi-Zack proved to be a popular model among pilots, as it was easy to operate and maintain. Its only major drawback, however, was the fact that its power generator wasn't good enough to allow it to effectively use multiple beam weapons. Despite this, the Hi-Zack was one of the most heavily mass produced units found in the field during the Gryps Conflict, and its design served as the basis for many future mobile suit models
www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/z/rms-106.htm
What if it was simply reusing Zaku parts?
@@JeanLucCaptain The Zaku line was easier to maintain and operate and less accident prone than the GM.
The in-universe idea of the Hi-Zack as possible Republic SDF machine is actually a pretty cool idea, and something that makes a lot more sense back when Zeta premiered in the 80s before a lot of the extra material was released like 0083. Additionally, the "product dumping" idea really rings true seeing as how Anaheim was nearly a monopoly until the SNRI came around.
I've noticed that engineers have generally viewed the Zaku as a fine machine regardless of their personal political opinions, and after the one year war it seems very clear that the federation Pilots got very comfortable with their aquired Zeon mobile suits, so it seems natural that they would be comfortable with a zaku style suit
In particular it would've made sense to use captured zakus as training mobile suits for new cadets, since they needed their GMs for garrison work after losing so much materiel in Stardust.
On a related note, I would really like a 2.0 version of the MG Hizack.
True.
Funnily enough the Hizack works great in Gundam Battle Operations 2 because the in-game mercenary company all players are a part of, the PMU, simply switched the Hizack's weak reactor with one with a higher power one.
Though it's mostly irrelevant because the heat hawk for it is the higher damage weapon, so as long as you have it, theres no need for 2 beam weapons.
@jmkhu3421Naw Hizack Definitely has good movement and damage specs from the start. They dropped the ball with Marasai and Gabethley though.
I prefer the Custom Variant since I excel at Support Units but both are real monsters in the hands of a seasoned player.
This is a great one that I've put a lot of thought into myself. You hit a lot of good points I hadn't even considered. I kind of wish Zeta Gundam had stuck with the idea of giving the AEUG the Zeon inspired mobile suits and the Titans the Federation ones. It would have made the whole thing about how the Earth vs. Space conflict gets flipped on its head in Zeta Gundam seem more poignant. Granted it makes the most sense the way they did it. With AEUG taking on the Zeon mobile suit engineers it's not surprising that both sides have a mix of suits from both since there's now a very diverse set of engineers with different backgrounds and different design ideologies at work at the same company.
I've had a headcannon that part of the reason the Hi-Zack was used by the titans was because it's appearance would be useful in sneaking into the bases and ships of Zeon remnants. Would Zeon remnants realize that Hi-Zack was a federation suit or just assume it was a funky Zaku? That would also explain the color scheme. The job of the Titans was to hunt down Zeon remnants after all.
This makes sense to me. Less sneaking into bases, but remember lots of UC fights are visual range due to Minovsky Particles
So when Zeon remnants see the green, silhouette of the Hizack, they might pause for a second and wonder if it's a friendly
Act Zakus are boss in GBO2. Nothing better to take into a 350 Cost battle. 😁👍
It's clear that hunting Zeon remnants was *never* an actual priority for the Titans leadership, especially Jamitov, who was a closeted Contolist himself. Aside from Axis, which they could've attacked at any time and chose not to, there were also Zeon remnants running around on Earth itself in places like Africa, which the Titans never bothered doing anything about. You can actually draw a parallel to the Syrian civil war, where Assad's Syrian Arab Army was more interested in destroying the Free Syrian Army while mostly leaving ISIS and Al Qaeda alone until they were the only opposition left, since those were the 'unacceptable' alternatives that justified their own heavy-handed regime.
Question:
Why there are still Tank based Mobilesuits? (AFTER OYW, people are ignoring the *"Still"* part in my question)
If this is UC-era, I'd assume it's because a lot of the earlier battles of the OYW and even before that, tanks were seen as the mainstay of any military force. By having tank-based mobile suits, it makes it easier for veteran tank pilots or even pilots with a preference for tanks rather than full mobile suits. It would probably also be cheaper and easier to manufacture due to having a tank as a base to work from instead of developing new mobile suits for each situation that arises.
They are still effective in ground combat as a heavy bombardment platform. Hildof did beat 3 zakus and a few tanks after all.
Stationary firepower to counter flight MS or jets or mobile firepower.
Ground base MS/ Tank MS always will be effective in long range support, artillery & fire support. Even so they don't much use in space but you need all the available tools at your disposal.
Loto is a great Example for the ECOAS special forces, tank type MS. Effective use in colony atmospheric gravity, also effective on the Asteroid rock during their rescue mission.
Tank have more ground coverage than mobile suit it makes tank more suitable on the rough terrain like sand also lower height makes tank harder to shoot at and tank track is more suitable in urban combat than two legged machine
The Hi-Zack always seemed like they took a bunch of old Zaku IIs and simply upgraded them to cut costs. I imagine the Titans needed something quick and cheap when they first formed.
Question:
Which Mobile Armor do you consider practical?
Mobeius line.
Mu La Flaga's Mobile Armor.
The Ideon....oops! Wrong anime.
But yeah, none of the MAs in the UC were practical. Despite their high potential kill counts, they’re expensive and take forever to maintain. To be generous, the closest you might get are the Biggro or Grublo since there were multiples of both. One suits Zeon’s hit-and-run tactics for space battles while the other is enough to discourage the Federation from sending suits underwater. Even then, there are probably mobile suits that can crank out as much speed as the Bigro and can be produced in rapid succession. Plus, there’s not enough battle scenarios where a Grublo is needed when a Gogg can do the job while strutting along the ground with utmost swagger.
Eins Mobile Armour from Iron Blooded Orphans seems accepting
@@YukitoOnline i dont think the MA category for Seed and UC matchup as the zero is somehow in between a mobile pod and a space fighter with gun barrel gimmick
I want to see your take on why Johnny Ridden (AKA Lesser Char) never tried to kill Char Aznable after Hamans death. Surely at some point he had to have figured it out. Also while was better (Zaku 2) wise. Johnny was upset that the Crimson Lightning was always called the Red Comet and only feared because people believed he was Char.
By MSV-R Ridden is in full fuck-this-shit-I'm-out mode, and before that he's just trying to make do as a regular Karaba grunt. He's with Karaba, not Axis.
Question:
In any of the Gundam Universes, was there ever a case for Mobile Armors or (jets) to be the more practical than Mobile Suits?
Sometimes. In 0079, it was easier to use a jet for reconnaissance and taking out infantry, including Core Fighters, since they were more difficult to spot than your average mobile suit. In water combat, based off of what I saw Mobile Armors are a lot better than Mobile Suits since they're able to rely on more armor and power for beam weaponry.
In Gundam SEED, there was a weird case there for MAs being better for the Federation since they couldn't figure out how to make a useable MS for normal people. That changed when they got Kira to provide vital data and programming for a new Naturals system so any military personnel could use a mobile suit, and not just Coordinators.
Yes in Gundam SEED Destiny
The Core Booster which was part of the original units aboard the White Base. Actually Kakorat did a video on that exact thing, explaining why the White Base didn't get more Mobile suits added to their ranks.
Core Booster.
From what I understand, according to some material, most of the land battles in the OYW was actually won by tanks. The things we see in the show are just the battles that mobile suits won.
I always thought the Hi-zack was a means for the federation to save money. By using Zaku molds and parts they can litigate cost and forfill their numbers. After all, the zaku II was kicking the federation's ass just fine until the Gundam came around.
It would not suprise me if the bulk of the hizak's parts came from scraping zaku's
AE be like: We have those Zeonic engineers and loads of zaku spare parts. What do we do? Why don't we just make Zaku 2 with latest GM Quel' engine and call it Hizack.
And it would be also a chance that the Titans were supposed to be a red team in the federation ranks when they were made, so they had to use and mastering enemy machines.
Question: The faction called "True Federal" (Gundam Katana) was able to recreate certain mobile suits (mostly Gundams) that were lost to time, like a Full Armor Gundam Alex.
How did they do it?
Finally someone brought up True Federal!
The original units may have been lost in combat but the plans still lives on and they are able to reproduce it.
@Esteban Capulin They had a Dolmel which is similar to the Kampfer and Marasai in looks but was a very different machine. However, due to the machine's weapon layout it was used similarly to a Kampfer which may explain why you were confused.
@Esteban Capulin No problem :)
@@shannenh.l265 Gundam Katana doesn't seem that popular, you know?
Figure there was something to Stardust Memories that the Federation kept Zeon Machines as test beds.
Question:
In UC, while all these wars on and around earth and later with jupiter happened, what did the peoole of Mars do? As i understand it, in UC, Mars is colonized, right?
Mars Zeon.
There are a war between Mar Zeon and Earth.
Mars Zeon was way later tho. I think he is referring to everything before that through the OYW, Gryps conflict, both Neo Zeon wars, ect. Which tbh, is actually a pretty good question considering that humans were out as far as Jupiter and we know more about the Jupiter Fleet/Colony than anything on Mars.
There was a Mars conflict called the "Oldsmobile War" were after the far surviving Zeonists fled to Mars regrouped and rebuilt and started another war. It happened in Gundam F90 btw
Even the Asshimar had me fooled when I hadn't looked into the history of it. Damn Anaheim and their Zeon-esque mobile suit designs.
Wow, didnt expect my question would be the only one answered (lol)
Anyways, thanks for the really nice discussion with alot of really good ideas rooted in post-war (WW2) events, especially the idea where Anaheim just takes and gives whatever it can use. Ive never read AoZ nor any sidestory set between OYW and Gryphs War, so it was really nice to know that there was atleast one guy who was aware that the Hizack looks and feels like a Zaku. I must say, very insightful video, you really know your history (well... atleast military history). Keep up the amazing work that you always do, looking forward to more discussions Kakarot!
The Hi-Zack, I think, is symbolic of the fact that the Titans are very much like the thing they hate: Zeon.
Guessing Barzam review next with it being in the chair, same as the flying armor mk2 being in the chair last time
Very good video! I remember discussing the Side story of Zeta Gundam when it was being serialized in B-Club magazine back in the 80's.
This explanation is wayyy better than on the fandom website. Great work Kakarot in explaining your combination of opinion and other facts
Question:
what happened to job john after the one year war?
Leading SNRI and develop Gundam F90.
In my head cannon this is what happen:
1. The federation need zeon mobile suit to keep superiority because even fed mobile suit is more advanced zeon mobile suit have more custom and specialized mobile suit that can possibly outgun the standarized fed ms because of that fed ask anaheim to upgrade zeon ms to see how much potential does zeon ms have in order keep the standarized ms more stronger than the zeon counterpart also to integrate the potential on the fed ms if possible so some of the upgraded zeon ms is pushed to the military
2. For anaheim this give them opportunity to profit while giving fed zeon ms they collect combat data and sell even beter machine to anyone who can buy it because it give the costumer feeling that their ms is the best for example they have hizack and also selling the gm that have better spec to the fed and makes them think our mobile suit is better than zeon but also selling even beter mobile suit to aeug then repeat the process this will keep demands coming and the customer got a feeling they got what they demands
Great break down, thanks for the content.
Oh a barzam review is coming, nice. I like this little sneak peek to next reviews.
If Lieutenant Jarid fought Fa Yuiry who would lose first?
Fa.
Jerid in his byarlant would wipe the floor with fa
That sounds like a completely one-sided match in Jerid’s favor, don’t you think?
Incidentally, in ZZ Gundam, she couldn’t even beat some junk mech when she was temporarily piloting the Zeta Gundam and she somehow lost the beam rifle in that fight. If she can’t beat an opponent that even a cadet would have no problem taking down, what chance does she have against the poster boy of the Titans?
TheHiddenBoss it was just a joke not really gonna put up a match between them. Jarid in any of his suits could potentially beat Fa even when she’s given a Gundam. I’m just making the joke due to both of them always taking L’s
@Shadowfogkiller Ah, okay then.
Question:
Where is the right arms fist of your zaku kai and your zaku warrior
You pretty much nailed my understanding of it, my answer was always "the same reason the kar98k was used after the nazis were defeated. There were a lot of them and they still worked, and updating them is cheaper than redesigning from scratch."
A lot of lore for this series I never knew gundam was so deep I've been watching it for 20 years never knew until recently that it goes this far.
Why did the Zeon Remnants and Neo Zeon use Federation/Titan mobile suits after the gryps war?
The scattered remnants of zeon had stolen them and put them into use. It would be a waste to just toss a decent mobile suit aside when you have outdated things from the one year war.
Mirrør imagine M7 though that didn’t stop them from busting out their walking war museum with a surprisingly effective Zaku 1 Sniper, not trying to debunk just saying that they still had to bust them out
After the titan loss a few of them Titan join zeon later and some rejoin the earth federation.
Titans is actually forced into an awkward situation at the end of the gryps war after being denounce by the EFF and they are on the hunt by AEUG. Making them no choice to join up with the other factions to stay alive, which is the neo zeon. Which resulted such units fall into Neo Zeon hands. as for Zeon Remnants, they are indirectly supported by Neo Zeon and you will see how this goes.
@@Xeno-The-Wanderer I mean it's kinda impossible to capture or steal every single enemy mobile suit you run into so zeon didn't have a choice and had to use the older MS. Zeon remnants only had like 3 marasai, a single ewac zack, and a stolen zaku mariner. Can't really have a strong enough force with just 5 pseudo up to date with just 5 mobile suits. Not that it really mattered all of the zeon forces that stormed the federation base were veteran pilots. Especially the efreet pilot being an ex feddie Gundam pixy pilot.
Question: Why are we (the Germans) still portrayed as Evil?
You never were
Combination of general public knowledge of history (blamed for one world war and the country that spawned the most hated political organization/regimes in history even though there are some that have come after have done far worse atrocities) compounded with tropes of evil mad German scientists and such are kinda the reason
German were never portrayed as evil. The nazis on the other hand.....since many people associate nazi with German. So yeah. Or so that what i understand
German technology is the best in the world though
It's less the Germans than specifically the Nazis. I've never really seen any media portraying modern Germany as evil or historic Germany as evil. It's always based on the Nazi era.
Love these lore/history videos👍🙂.
Let's appreciate that kakarot's video does not cut almost every sentence.
I remember reading somewhere that Hizaks were refitted Zakus that were surrendered in mass after the one year war. So thay were refitted to keep up with other MS of the times.
Can you do a Development video of the Extreme Gundam and all of its variants? Also I love your videos and it just proves how large the gundam universe is as well as your insights or thoughts on gundam things is fun to see and hear
There is a pre-Zera manga about a Titans Test Team, and when they get the first Hizack. The pilots are very sceptical, but as their superior points out, Zeon did have a headstart in MS development, and it would be foolish to not learn from them. And when their jury-rigged Gundam is out of action, they are forced to deploy the Hizack. Something the Zeon remnants take very personally.
And if there is one thing we can say about Anaheim Electronics, it is that they make quality MS Suits. They make AEUG suits based on the stolen Gundam Mk II, and Titans suit based on a stolen Rick Dias. And both sides leave generally good reviews.
Oh I have to find the anime somewhere, the manga is absolutely fantastic. Love the suits, love the characters, the plot, the conflict, there being three or four factions (+AE).
Anaheim aquiring the zeon manufacturers kinda reminds me of project paperclip where americans aquired loads of nazi scientists and some of them actually designed rockets for NASA
I figured the Hizack was adopted mostly for training purposes. The Titans were created to flush out Zeon remnants, so at the time they were most likely to go up against OYW Zeon suits. Hence, it would make sense if the Titans used a Zeonic-looking suit to practice on, since it would more or less embody what the Titans would be shooting at in live fire scenarios. This also explains why the Titans have their Hizacks colored in Zaku green. Of course, when the Gryps Conflict broke out, the Titans had to deploy every suit they had to contribute to the effort, including Hizacks.
Excellent work!! I've always wonder why Hizack was Titan's grunt suit of choice. Your explaination makes a lot of sense. Looking forward to your next vid.
Ps: Can you please also mention about GM III along side GM II? I personally love the design of GM III, but it is seldomly discussed. Thanks.
The Grips War was probably the most confusing time in UC Gundam history. It just seems like MSs are just tossed around to who ever and go from there. At least things settle and get more organized by Zeta.
Thanks for touching on AOZ. More please! 👍
Hey just wanted to say I really LOVE your videos! You give out so much information on story and mobile suits that I didnt even know about and I've been a fan since 0083 hit America before Gundam Wing came out. But my question to you is what are your top 10 mobile suits from UC and why? To me my top 10 are (favorite to least)
Rx-93 Nu Gundam
Zeta Gundam
Ez8 Gundam
GM Sniper 2
Unicorn Gundam
Sazabi
Gouf Custom
Gelgoog Yeager
Rx-02a physalis(which I still cant pronounce the name to and wanted to know how did the zeon remnants get ahold of the information on them producing the 2 gundam and why was the Gp02a only taken compared to both being taken?)
Marasai (mainly because I still remember the battle on the moon against kamille)
Kakarot sure likes bringing up the GM II a lot in his videos. I'm not complaining mind you! I find its worthy of discussion!
Also, how long has that HGUC Barzam box been in the background? I just noticed it. XD
I think you hit on most of the main points, though I think there's also the factor that some of the designers, while they COULD just switch to GM-like designs, doesn't necessarily mean it'd be their comfort zone, especially if they had lingering pride.
great insight !
Great video man, I got something to add to this. I dont remember if I read it somewhere or if it was in the anime; but part of the reason they went with the Hizack is the Federation and AE had a lot of Zeon parts after the 1YW. Remember too Zeon had rolled out the Untied Maintenance Plan too. Supposedly it shares a lot of parts with previous Zeon mobile suits, and the other thing I read said something like; Titans are there to fight Zeon remnants, so why not use something like what they have but better, and keep costs low.
I still dont understand how they wouldnt just stick with the GM 2s. They were better and if I am not mistaken arent they just overhauled GM 1s?
Another great example of Enemies using Tech from each other also comes from the Soviets,
The PPSH was inspired by the Finish PPD 40
The AK also took inspiration from the German STG 44
I've always just figured that the plans and maybe even a prototype design for the Hizack had already been on the minds of Zeonic's top engineers around the end of the one year war as it doesn't seem that much better than a Gelgoog, that it was just easier for them to build it in the Zeonic style than give it a complete design overhaul adding more time and cost to the project when the Fed's really just needed stopgap units until they could come up with something better. Maybe there was also a psychological factor in the design choice seeing as the Titan's would be operating in space hunting rebels you know before they went mad with power as their commanders intended. That someone figured that by giving them a "Spacenoid unit" that Spacenoids civilians would I don't know be more at ease with the more familiar look keeping the peace and you know come to think of it it's also a perfect unit for false flag ops.
My headcannon was always that it was to keep maintenance/production costs low in the post-1YW Era, when most of the Federation's funds would be diverted to reconstruction efforts, thus leading to budget cuts to military spending to offset reconstruction costs.
The Federation doesn't have a war to fight anymore, so a cheap mobile suit that likely has a lot of parts commonality with the Zaku 2 (the most mass produced MS of the 1YW and thus there's probably a TON of Zaku 2 parts scattered around and factories still tooled to produced Zaku 2 parts at the time the war ended) would actually be ideal for them to field a military that can fend off Zeon remnants while still being pretty cost effective for the massive amount of needed post-war reconstruction.
At the time of the Gryps Conflict, the Federation has clearly started to spend more resources on rearming and fielding newer MS prototypes with better capabilities because of events like operation Stardust, but are still somewhat in the early stages of turning said prototypes into mass production units, hence why much of the Federarion's military (specifically the Titans) are still fielding large quantities of Hizacks.
Speaking of "Not about it working, it's about it keeping you alive", a good example is the U.S military's use of Silly String on the battlefield. It's lightweight when sprayed and brightly colored, allowing it to be used to detect traps.
I do remember in the series 0083 if I'm correct in the second episode Nina being a mobile suit engineer states that the Zaku is a pretty high performance machine, as well as in Gundam Zeta mono eyes seemed to be really efficient optics e.g. The Gaplant and The Hambarbi. So that also maybe we a reason to why the Titans used zeonesk mobile suits as they were pretty much all of the Federation and Zeon tech fused together, in other words the best of both worlds.
6:50 another example would be the Panther since some of its prototypes (the VK30.01/02 [D] specifically) were almost an exact copy of the T-34.
love these episodes
I agree with the product dumping but I think it was a move towards standardization as well. The Zeon forces already did that with their units, meaning that their parts could work with newer builds. Now make a federation that could use the zeon parts and you have mass of spar parts allowing you to build an army of newly labeled machines on the cheap and sell them off for a profit
#1 reason from the purchaser at Titans "Look how fucking cool this thing is!"
Zaku is my favorite MS design and I love any and all MS that is based off the Zaku.
Hi-Zack being my one of my favorite designs along side the Sazabi, Sinanju, Marasai and Xeku Eins.
So. That's why post oyw feddie grunt suits has a monoeye plus added sensors like the jegan, jesta, etc under the visor.
Question for down the line, ranking the grunts from each series from the Zaku and GM, to the Death army and Leo, and the Enact/Flag/Tieren of 00 and all the other season start mooks
Not sure if you've done it before but could you do a video on all of the factions and accompanying branches of the U.C. because im quite new to the Gundam series and I can't rap my head around much of it
I recall RMS106 was mostly converted from MS06. The machine is actually quite at disadvantage even compare against GM II. Especially the generator is underpower. That is why it was quickly phase out during the Titan up rising.
Makes me wonder if the 82 was developed initially with the standard frame but updated to the mk:2 frame years later but was never re-designated since nothing else was altered.
I also think that they had a lot of surplus parts..and just wanted to make the parts they have work with some of the newer stuff...
For me, I instantly went to aggressor squadron/RED FLAG type exercises as a potential purpose for the Hizack, like what we saw in Stardust Memory with the aggressor Zaku II F2s, but that these were repurposed for front line usage by the Titans once they rose to prominence. It’s a visually similar suit to the Zaku II that can keep pace with the GMs/GM IIs it’s doing exercises with and is cheap enough to produce in large quantities so that replacement parts/suits are easily available. That just gets up and hollers “I’M A REDFOR SUIT AND I’M DAMN PROUD” if I ever saw it do so.
The Republic of Zeon contract would’ve just been gravy had it gone through. I’m not sure if the thing would’ve fit within the RoZ doctrine, but that’s a problem for the military higher-ups to figure out, not me.
I just saw the Hizack as a mix of leftover parts. We have the Zaku Production line building so many of them and suddenly stopped and we have the GM production line. For example sovjets made 50k T34 Tanks between 1940 and 1940. and americans idk how many Sherman’s. So they just used these 2 assembly Lines + some improvements and the Hizack was born. Federation itself probably didn’t want that suit because it looks how it looks but the titans didn’t care they wanted a cheap suit to produce
Would you make a video about explaining GN Drive-based mobile suit in every generation? And I'd love to know your opinion about Gundam 00 too, since you made a lot of UC videos but a bit lack of another universe stories. Cheers from Indonesia
Miss these older videos … and I am again reminded that on a scale of 1 to 10, Anaheim's evil corporate bastard rating is about a 14.
My take on this issue is, alot of Zaku 2 Fs are still in stock and un-upgraded. The manufacturers were probably inspired by blueprints of Zaku 2 high mobility and also because they are easy to maintain, cheaper to modify and produce parts in huge numbers. Not to miss, new pilots are easier to train too.
I just always thought the Hizack was Zaku-like because of the plethora of Zaku parts they had, and did it as a cost saving measure to focus production on the performance and upgrade the Zaku design so that A) it looks a bit different and B) to improve the design so it can handle combat with newer mobile suits like the Rick Dias
In regards to the example of Anahiem Electronics making a Zeon-esque mobile suit because they acquired the plans, personnel, and factories post war actually has some real life examples. Operation paperclip aside, the Czech's post war inherited a bunch of German run factories and with the tooling, plans, and parts left behind they started churning out their own re-engined version of the Messerschmitt BF-109 called the Avia S-199. The S-199 ironically would end up being sold to the state of Israel in the late 40s and ended going against Supermarine Spitfire's the British exported to countries like Egypt in the 1948 Arab-Israeli war.
Anaheim Electronics probably gave the Feddies a similar business offering to what modern-day defence contractors offer to modern militaries: offer the weapons system at a discounted price, but keep the maintenance and parts supply contracts and squeeze out the profits there. It works for the EFF for a simple reason-the acquisitions budget would be much smaller than the budget for maintaining force preparedness and battlefield asset viability, which could both cover the costs of servicing the contract nicely.
Couple that with selling compliance licenses (licenses to access information that would help make a system work on a proprietary platform basically. Stuff like access to firmware source code and OS sdk's would be covered by this) to the other EFF weapons manufacturers and you have a very good money-maker going for a long, long time.
And if that also means that the Zeon guys get one last nose-thumbing in, that's probably worth a discount all by itself.
I think the best answer is the Federation was slow in the mobile suit development versus Zeon. Keep in mind that Zeon mobile suits where much more advance in the beginning. Assuming that there was a lot of surplus Zeon mobile suits, it would be just much cheaper for the Federation to just modify them since there is a lot of compatibility in parts anyway. You can see this in action in 8th MS team when Aina gave Shiro some parts from her mobile suit to fix shiro's gundam.
Is it possible for you to do a development history of the guncannon
Anaheim is a city in USA. With a fancy Disneyland resort. 🤔 What if AE is an alternative timeline Disney.
I think the HiZack was partially in production as the conflict was winding down. It probably used several existing parts for the Zaku and therefore molds/other development were not needed. Kept costs very low and actually did have an increase in performance.
希望Up主看一眼。
那本漫画最后是个if路线，是在“Char因为妹妹被Titans扣为人质而被迫为Titans卖命”的前提下一个平行世界，所以出现了双方采购了与原本不同的MS。而Rms-108原本是要卖给AEUG的，因为死亡商人阿纳海姆电子对Titans和AEUG两面投资以确保战后自己的利益而卖给或者送给了Titans。
I think the Federation/Titans using Zeon mobile suits would have been easier to accept in Zeta if they had been painted to Federation/Titan color schemes the way they did with the Zakus in Stardust Memory.
This is probably a repeat but I'd love something like the development history of non MS weapons like the Type 65 and the mangellan attack tank, or even the armored hovertanks seen in 08th