A Short History of the Sub-Flight-System and How They Work [QOTW]
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Another use for the Dodai Kai that I came across was using it to evacuate civilians before the colony hit Dublin. It had an orange container installed on it.
Kakarot197 was captured federation technology use in the development of later zeon mobile suits
I'm shocked how big the Kessaria in Hathaway's Flash is
There was also the time several Base Jabbers were used to evacuate the crew of the Sudori before it was destroyed. Though I wonder how many extra people can the Base Jabber, or the Dodai Kais, carry without that mounted container. As I am sure there where a couple hundred or so crew onboard the Sudori.
Me be like: hand controls goes out of the window when the two Unicorn siblings control the Jabber via their feet 😂😂😂 while Jestas has their hands in their base jabbers most of the time 😂😂😂 so is that chucks out to Gundam plot armor, pscychoframe doing full control of the jabber? 😂😂😂
As far as the "shackles" are concerned I think controlling it is similar to the catapult controls for ships
"Thicc thighs save lives"
Truly a man of culture.
yeah i can agree with that claim😍😍
Love the half built dautress, and Graze swapping back and forth in the background, always interesting to see what's being worked on at the moment
Makes it easy to tell what was filmed when :D
@@kakarot197 and gives a preview of what's coming soon :D
@@Agarricus Heh, I read this comment just as it switched to the Daughtress.
15:23 There's also that bit in Unicorn, where the Banshee and Unicorn are wrestling on a Base Jabber. The Base Jabber does indeed fail to maintain stability when the Banshee lets go.
the Base Jabber is likely to be piloted by some sensors on the mobile suit's feet rather than the handles. the Unicorn was able to kick off one of the Jestas and commandeer it's base jabber just by standing on it.
There is also the one SFS that briefly appeared in Zeta Gundam, it looks suspiciously like the Waverider, and it carried a Hakushiki piloted by a man who looks suspiciously like Char.
Let me correct it.
It the Waverider and it carried a hyakushiki piloted char in disguise
@@william0471 I don't buy it
If I had to guess, remote controlling a Base Jabber through handlebars works the same way you can make a mobile suit move like a real person with nothing but two foot pedals, a throttle, and a joystick.
I mean it's just like driving a car.
Most fighter aircraft right now flies by wire, aka a computer handles most of the issues to keep the flight incredibly level and even prevents the pilot from doing things that could risk his life and the airframe. The same would apply for these dodai in my opinion
Type 89: Alright buddy, where am I suppose to go?
Jegan: Drive us straight into them!
Type 89: Alright! Wait WHAT
Jegan: YA YEET
Type 89: YOU SONUVA---
Wow. That's so cruel.
Thunderbolt really showed just how dominating a coordinated team of an ace ms pilot and their partner sub-flight pilot can be in the right situation.
Kakarot praising the motto we believe in.
I think the Pickup Truck utility extends to something very important, too: Reinforcing the front line. A squad of manned SFS can quickly sortie a number of Mobile Suit teams that may be in suits that don't have the best time in their environment, or need to conserve their own energy for combat that they can't waste getting there. On top of the resupply truck allowing one to fall back, get ammo or energy cels, come back and act as a supply line. The problem is it's also a major target. But if they're looking up, they're not looking at the enemy in front of them.
11:27 that could be referring to traditional Japanese footwear. I know the shorter form of that word; "Geta" means a type of wooden, boarded sandal.
I very much appreciate you answering my question to the best of your ability
I appreciate the advancements that Unicorn introduced for sub-flight systems by effectively removing them in favor of dual-purpose machines that could be carriers and then flip to being combat machines in the ReZEL and Anksha. Saves space in the battleships/carriers/transports too.
And those were actually made that way on purpose.
The Federation was in a period where they had to disarm and lower the amount of weapons they had, so having suits double as sub flight systems allowed them to cheat a little bit by having the mobile suits - definitely the more important of the two - be able to function as both, and then go into full combat after a different suit hitched a ride.
Touch Controls: I think Gundam Unicorn showed that communication through hands was a primary way of controling devices. More specifically when the Unicorn was taking a Sleeves gattling gun and had to wait till the drivers installed before he could use it. So it makes sense that a MS could controler a Base Jabber that way.
How many Mobile Suits were in the Zeta project? There are of course the Zeta Gundam representing Zeta, the Rick Dias for Gamma, the Double Zeta for Theta, etc. But what about Alpha, Beta, and other skipped letters. Also are suits like the Nu and Xi Gundams also part of the Project, or did they just have coincidental names?
If my memory serves correctly there were no Alpha and Beta Gundams since Rick Dias gets its name from Gundariam Gamma. So technically Gundariam Alpha and Beta represent those letters in the Zeta series. For the other skipped letters I believe they are mostly covered in MSV and other spinoff material.
I checked the wiki for it so here should be all of it.
Hyaku-Shiki is built upon the original plans of the Delta Gundam, which was never made due to simulations failures.
Eta Gundam is officially known as the Z Rapier I and was from a MSV like book called Gundam Wars I: Project Z and data was used for the mass produced Zetas.
Iota Gundam is the S Gundam from Gundam Sentinal
Kappa Gundam is from another hobby magazine called Original Gundam Story: Inner Gundam Space of Ageta and is like a weird hybrid of the MK-II and Psycho Gundam with a gattai
And the Lambda Gundam is mentioned to exist in Sentinal but it's only appearance is in an SD Gundam game
After Kappa they stop considering part of the Zeta Project but continue the naming scheme
Mu Gundam is a prototype of the Nu from the Mobile Suit Gundam: Advanced Operation game
I think that's all of it
QotW: as a follow up, how about a video of the aircraft of Gundam? and I mean Aircraft, no waveriders or transforming MS From the Earth Federations OYW helping fighters to the Stringbags of Turn A. Bonus points for a Non Transforming Valkyrie Joke : D
life saberfish flyarrow dopp and so on?
@@lucafabbrini6710 yeah
He has a video that's kind of like that, talking about the vehicles the federation relied on to fight Zeon before they developed mobile suits.
I doubt it was beers, but it was undeniably paid for with salaries (or unlisted other income) from the military industrial complex.
We've had some crazy military concepts IRL, so this isn't the outlandish thing to me.
What are those green abominations with them, though?
I can actually see a scenario where, at some point in the war some guy in a prototype Gouf accidentally stepped on a Dodai and someone in that room got an idea.
@@theonewhowatches869 That probably explain it all.
Add some heady military spending and strong intoxicants, and voila!
The big one is a Dabude-Class, which is basically a mobile command center. The flying ones are Dopps, which are Zeon's fighter jets. The Dopps are about as terrible as they look, since Zeon had kind of forgotten how to design an aircraft that works in Earth's atmosphere due extended living in space.
This video is well needed. Literally a topic where there is a severe lack of knowledge about
aslo the spaceships we never get lore about.
I always figured that the unmanned flight units were just set to go forward and controlled more or less like skateboards or snowboards
I'm currently writing my own Gundam fanfic and your videos are an absolute GODSEND, without them I'd be screwed. Keep up the outstanding work.
Fuunsaiki is the best support unit.
Just accept it.
The real question is if Fuunsaiki would be better with a human pilot or keep the horse
@@user-xb8cf6xd5l Of course we keep the horse. Fuunsaiki the horse is a better Gundam fighter than most human fighters
Still debatable in my opinion.
Haha, did you add that Wilhelm scream or was that in the original source? Because that's hilarious. 0:50
That was me :D
Gee, if only there was a cheap-to-mass-produce robotic companion to fly a SFS for you instead of a human being liable to get caught in the crossfire. You know, something round and compact with hidden arms to man the controls.
Yeet the Haros
Man, you're the only channel that answered some of the questions in the back of my head for a decade now and this are the parts that i love in the UC timeline.
A list of sub-flight systems and what makes one count and not count would be interesting.
"Don't worry, they were unmanned... I hope" LMAO! That made me laugh much more than it needed to.
you know, i never knew i needed an answer to this specific question, but the way it's presented makes me feel like a preschooler all over again, in the best way possible.
now, if only i can figure out how the Gouf's original heat sword worked *hint hint*
I like how in Hathaway flash the base jabbers were litteraly the uc equivalent to the unsc's pelicans...
I have a lot of questions about thesecond century of gundam.
And a lot of questionable weapons...
But I guess a short answers it could be that they could re-make Gundan F91 and launch Crossbone vanguard finally.
“Some Zeon engineers have some few to many beers and have some amazing drunken ideas”
*I mean, they did call an aircraft “Fat Uncle”*
Sir, you are a public utility.
Type 89 is my favorite Jabber base. One classic. Long Live to Earth Federation.
now, this gets me thinking, since Base Jabbers and Dodai Kais were meant to specifically carry mobile suits, how the heck were the Zeta Gundam and Delta Plus also able to do so. Surely, being mobile suits themselves, they'd either have little to no room to accommodate for any sort of suspension system nor would it be easy to have it work as such, although this may be mitigated in that there would be two pilots involved anyway
Always like your style of explaining
I always imagined the handlebars of the SFS were the controls, kind of like a flightstick
I swear i really needed this video about the sub flights.
Call me crazy but I always thought that the Geta was named after the traditiional footwear... hence the MS being about to use it to move about. No, I have no source to verify this. As to the Shackles, that version REALLY looks like something that Mamoru Nagano would have used in L.Gaim (and since he was also a mecha designer for Zeta). [BTW... do love the Five Star Stories mecha from Uncle Mamoru... totes amazing!).
Thoughts?
Geta sounds like Getter Robo in my opinion.
in 08th MS team, there is a scene where they showed Shiro's gundam hand integrate with the beam saber via a chip on the palm. one can assume the same chip techknowlogy is being used on anything with a handle bar for remote control.
Dang, two videos back to back, sweet.
I'm now picturing mobile suits surfing on the Getter Machines.
Tem Ray: "Okay so I've figured out a system for the Gundam, basically, not only can it do all this cool stuff, it can also house a jet so it can fly around without any delay!"
Everyone else after the OYW: "Hehe, Flying platform go schrrrrroow!"
11:39 Imagine if we had 3 of those with cockpits in different colours and they combine into 3 different MS modes and they'll be piloted by the 3 most questionable titans pilots who are menace to society
nice content. love it . keep it up!!
I love those flight platform things
what I really want to know is what kind of speed that the ship used for traveling between planets ... how long it needed to travel to mars or Jupiter from earth at that time
I 100% agree with the automatic flight course idea. Especially with what happens in unicorn gundam during the garuda transfer. The Unicorn is caught by a base jabber multiple times during that scene.
His small beat at 07:20 was funny (yeah I hope they're unmanned too)
Just when i saw the 2 birds meme with Zeta gundam's bgm
The timing is good ahahah
I like your logic when you said the sensor on the MS hand
What instantly came into my mind is the Mega Bazooka Launcher for Hyakushiki
While he didnt went ontop of it
He still held into it
So the logic still stand
Edit :
Also the place where Hyakushiki put its hand, becoming his foot rest when in aim mode
Maybe we can stretch that same technology with the flight system that can be controlled using MS feet (like the yellow one in the video)
Im interested in the Subflight Lifters of Thunderbolt
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The only real benefit with subflight that i can think of is to save fuel, this way the mech will have more uptime because on the way to it destination, It use the subflight fuel instead of the mech thus saving the fuel
That is actually the reason the spacebound SFS like the Getta and the Shackles, later the Space Base Jabber, were developed. They give their assigned mobile suit, or mobile suits in some cases, extended operational time. Unlike the ones used on Earth which give their assigned mobile suit, again mobile suits, the ability to fly through the air. At least till the introduction of dedicated mobile suit flight system like the Minovsky Flight System and the Beam Rotors of Victory Gundam. Speaking of which the spacebound SFS can even be given its own extended operational time by the attachment of boosters which are seen with the Type 89 and Type 94 Jabbers. Later on in UC we really do not see anymore Spacebound SFS outside of dedicated support craft for mobile suits, that maybe, are thanks to improvements in thrusters and the fuel they use.
Hmmm... You know another use I saw with SFS was the Doubey and Catsith from G-Reco. As the Catsith was already flight capable but I guess the Doubey carried the Catsiths to give the mobile suits a longer operation time when they arrived forcombat. Also I loved the whole thing where we saw the Catsiths launch from the Doubeys. Instead of jumping off or just stepping off the SFS the Catsiths are launched backwards from the Doubey where their wings are then extended and now able to fly on their own. I guess that is easier, stress-wise, on the Doubeys. Also in G-Reco we have seen the SFS in there saving the pilot of their partner mobile suit a couple of times after they bail out of their machine. The most notable of course being when Mask did it sometime early in the series. Though I am sure there were a couple of other times that happened. Also in G-Reco we got the SFS being used to carry cargo to resupply a ship, mostly seen when we first get introduced to Gusion, Aida's father.
For the shackles sub flight unit, i like to think of it like a snowboard where shifting the feet controls the unit.
Would be cool for other sub flight systems like the Corvette Booster or the Guncarry.
The base jabber has a shock abosrber
I think it's possible that the frames get damaged but not outright destroyed if an MS docks too quickly, or is docked overweight. A damaged or bent frame might alter the flight characteristics and prevent immediate reuse after landing for service, but still be sufficient as its current inertia overcomes any instability caused by said damage.
The touch communication would only work in space. It's like if you pressed your space helmet to someone else's. You'd be able to hear each other due to the vibrations. Gundam may be pushing it a little with being able to do it with mobile suits, but the theory is the same.
Sub-Flight systems are all about adding tactical flexibility to the already powerful mobile suit. In atmosphere it seems to be about deployment speed and range as a secondary. Sure you could toss you MS in a transport aircraft of some sort but then they have to deploy from that aircraft and in that process they're vulnerable and lose flexibility as they're no longer, you know... flying. In space it's almost all about deployment range. By itself a MS has to burn its limited supply of fuel to get where it needs to go reducing the amount it has for combat and the trip home. This added range also gives the possibility of conducting off-axis attacks again adding to tactical flexibility. My personal conclusion is that sub-flight systems are the Gundam equivalent of attaching external fuel tanks to a F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and heck it's even better you can slap a gun/missiles on it too or turn it into a bomb itself.
same logic as Green Goblin's glider from Spider-Man, lol.
I'm pretty sure it's that kind of logic.
Interested in your take on combining mechs, Along the lines of say the Thrones and the Archer Arios from 00, or perhaps humanoid ones like the Super Shock from Divers and the Kouten The O from Brave Battle Warriors?
Great video. I just wanted to point out that I think the beam rotors on alot of the BESPA MS are considered sub flight systems even if they are much smaller and more integrated into the MS far better. If you do a follow up video it could be worth mentioning this fact as it's pretty important to those mobile suits' ability to fly when not in mobile armor mode
i think later version of SFS like the Dodai also have the function to have a return to base/carrier after the MS jumps off.. or stay in a holding pattern near the suit
provided there's a nearby signal to lock on to..
i think episode 14 of Zeta gundam shows the Dodai Kamille was using was flying nearby when he jumped off to grab onto the Gaplant
and when he landed back on, the control of the Dodai was done in the same way as the Shackle.
Always thought that particular Dodai was piloted along with the second one used by Quattro. As they used them like the Goufs did with the original Dodais.
In the same vein that they can be used as "Pickup Trucks" They can also be used for just general transportation of suits around. Given that they're significantly faster, at least in atmosphere than a lot of suits, they can be used to transport around suits much more efficiently, particularly when a larger ship to carry them is unavalible or simply considered excessive for the task at hand.
Would the RX-78 GP-03 Stamen& Dendrobium combination from UC0083 be similar to the sub-flight systems described here?
Since the Dendrobium is using Stamen as it's "core block" system, technically yes. Like how the Neo Zeong uses Sinanjuu as it's core as well.
@@playedit0ut290 Thank you for the clarification. My foray into the Gundam series was through Stardust Memory. Back in the early 90's, Viz published a comics run on it using the cells from the animation.
QOTW: if you could put an already existing mobile suit into a different canon which one would it be and why?
That semi striker box in the background makes me jealous...
The one Mafti uses is my favourite!
This is something that I've been really wondering for a while, how do mobile suits walk? it doesn't seem like there's enough controls for the pilot to manage the legs on a complex scale so it has to be computer based, but how does that computer work if there even is said computer? (talking about U.C. because I know seed uses an O.S.)
Much like the boston robotics of real life, the mobile suits of the early and pre oyw had to painstakingly develop an adaptable, environmentally and context sensitive learning algorithm for balance, walking, and all the context sensitive actions like jumping, crouching, dodging ETC, Etc
@@emperorhadrian6011 that does make sense but what if they want the ms to specifically do something with their leg? Like if the pilot wants the ms to kick for example
@@Disgaustang
Space magic.
So basically sub flight system like Base Jabber can be piloted or autopiloted? Now that's make sense for me.
Also a Gouf without a fun looks cursed
I mean. Even if they are manned, the crew could always bail or eject depending on airspeed and altitude (in atmosphere) or speed (space use). Or there could be a pod like in 20th century supersonic bombers.
I would assume the SFS space units would be piloted by the ms pilots so they can have somewhere to eat, sleep, and refresh on extended missions.
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5:50 Now that's an odd GM III.
I oftentimes marvel at the change of aesthetics across the UC continuity and think: are people in the fictional universe supposed to notice how much less funky military tech gets between UC 0079 and UC 0087?
Nice mate..would love if you could add in the kits made available aswell in future.
There are chameleon logos that come with the HG GM custom and MG GM sniper custom which I've not been able to identify, are these meant to be for the same squadron, and what squads are they for?
My favorite Universal Century Sub-Flight System would have to be the Mega Rider from ZZ Gundam. Not only got a powerful Mega Bazooka Launcher, but also able to function as basically a mobile base of operation for the Gundam Team, in addition to being a support unit for the Gundam MK.II after the loss of the G-Defensor.
Another thing to keep in mind about post OYW stuff is that the use of Minovski particles were massively regulated in both space and nearly banned for use on Earth as it left rather large areas dead zones for a lot of military as well as civilian tech. So in later years the need for touch or hard connections for military hard ware may have shifted from the days when everyone was yeeting Minovski weapons all over the place. It's not so bad in space as they just keep spreading out lessening their affects but on Earth they tend to hang out where they are deployed causing the issues which led to it being banned for use on Earth. ...Insanely realistic actually as after the first use of the Nuke in WW2 the rules for using them became a thing and are so bonkers today it's rather pointless to pursue them as well as all the new ways to counter them. Either way interesting point of discussion.
I imagine how the Base Jabber can deal with the mass of Mobile Suits is roughly similar to the way the whole Core Block system worked. Having several massive machines that are moving independently from one another be programmed to synchronize their actions to the extent that they can effectively dock into one another and merge into one unit without crashing or breaking horribly is a more complex engineering problem than what the Base Jabber has to deal with.
Question of the week request: Could you please clarify how propulsion works in the Universal Century?
For spacecraft and mobile suits, my understanding is that they use ion thrusters. The onboard fusion reactor accelerates reaction mass and this results in thrust. We know that this doesn't work well under full gravity; the Gundam is the best mech of its day and it can just about jump, hence the need for subflight systems.
Separately, we know that that aircraft can operate successfully in atmosphere and under gravity, from the Core Fighters and Dopps all the way to the Gunperry and Garuda. How do these work, then? It must be a different technology, while at the same time they don't seem to use wings for aerodynamic lift. The base jabbers are flying bricks, for instance.
To add to that, I've long been curious about Zeon's underwater propulsion tech. Some sort of magnetohydrodynamic thing, I assume.
And lastly, the White Base's jeep, as well as the lunar vehicle used for Dr Minovsky's exfiltration seem to have some sort of... repulsor deal going on?
Obviously, it's because "wow, cool mecha" but any creative rationalisations would be appreciated.
Thank you!
the 'getter' could have been a reference to Getter Robo older mecha anime
QOTW: If the best grunt suit from each series / universe were to fight each other 1 v 1(E.g. Rezel vs Windam), which one would be strongest 3 and weakest 3?
And how far is the difference in strength comparing the weakest best grunt suit vs strongest best grunt suit
tv series only
Strongest 3: bruckeng, virgo 2, danazine
Weakest 3: gelgoog, crouda, death army
Bruckeng giant wheel, virgo 2 planet defensor n danazine electromagnetic armor make those 3 somewhat invulnerable to standard beam n conventional weapon.
Gelgoog obsolete n bulky. Lone death army is weak. Crouda have strong armor n agile, but could easily be destroyed by a single shot aimed at the chest exhaust port
You know, now that I'm thinking about it. Do pilots just keep count of kills in their head, or dose their MS somehow count it like a kill streak?
Kills 5 mobile suits
Your Hud in your cockpit : KILLTACULAR!
I’d love a history of all of the G:TO prototypes that came before the Zaku I, like the Waff and the Bugu.
here's my question for QOTW: Where did the Formula project begin and how did it end?
2:14 to bypass the sponsored sgment.
hey quick question for the next one of these, since i don't know to ask here or on your latest video. was there any practical reason for the unicorn series to expose the inner psychoframr or was it purely for the rule of cool?
Bold of you to assume the Feds wouldn't resort to Kamikaze tactics.
I can see one reason why all others have to use handles while Shackles can be used with standing up. If I am guessing correctly, Shackles is space only so the stress and aerodynamics is far less comaped to under gravity conditions.
how do they work? GRAVITY I RENOUNCE THY CHAINS, that's how.
What it is short range Wi-Fi like a Bluetooth if you leave your Bluetooth in your room and then go to the kitchen you might not have the best service depending on what you use. so if it's connected to the flight system it uses Wi-Fi in order to speak to the plane to do what it needs to do and more disconnects autopilot kicks in and the last command it had it continues either to stay by the pilot or head back home.
In Mid-Late UC I'm still surprised Sub-Flight Systems still exist. in Hathaway there's the Federation's BJ-K232 Kessaria the Gustav Karl has, and Mafty's Galcezon for the Messers. Seems like both are manned units as well. Then in Victory there's the CS-H926 Setter H926 which honestly looks like the most practical/secure Sub-Flight System that was built to hold two and can still fire if needed. I hesitate to call the Einerad one, lol.
Shrug. I do believe that the two Hathaway SFS Type are not really dedicated mobile suit carrier vehicles but actual support craft for their assigned mobile suits. Similar to these early type of SFS like the original Dodai and the G-Fighter, as seen in 0079 Manga and other offshoots. As in the movie we see the Messers and the Gustav's actually not fighting on the SFS themselves but actually fighting in mid air. In fact. The Messers looked to be designed to fight in mid air. Meanwhile, the Settler seen in Victory Gundam I am sure would have been an older design used by the Federation and only used by the League Militaire. It is only in Victory that we started getting the dedicated mobile suit flight systems becoming a thing. With the Minovsky Flight System for the LM, and the Beam Rotors for BESPA. So SFS are still useful while on Earth. I do not think we get anymore Spacebound SFS during this timeframe thanks to the improvements in thruster design and thruster fuels.
Still waiting for a UC timeline vid 😔
Tbf, 0079-100 is still being filled out
Good video. can you do one on the sub-flight systems of gundam seed.
Hmm. The “Touch Communication” you mention, I always went back to the MS Gundam English novels.
Which as I recall was vibration transmission across materials against the silence of vacuum. Like two cans connected by a string.
About as scientific as Minovsky particles, really. But it sounds believable, right?
Why do agile mobile suits gets armored version? Alex Gundam is design for faster reaction time yet they put armor into it. I know it was for testing or adding defense but does it has to be in an agile MS?
Real world reason is that beefy robot look cool sell models well.
In universe reason is typically a misunderstanding from the big wigs about the balance between high mobility and the amount of armour, traditionally seeing armor more important than mobility, especially considering early oyw formations and tactics that they were used to.
In some cases it's stated that the engineers assume that because it has mobility to spare, opt to add additional armour.
Maybe you will answer this when Psyco Gundam Development comes out. With Four's fate being tied to the Psyco Gundam with the combat system, if it was destroyed without her being in it, how do you feel Four's mind and body would have reacted and could AEUG scientists possibly have helped her, especially in space.
If there were any AEUG scientists assigned to the task at the time I think they would’ve studied her reaction and the results briefly just to gather data but I don’t imagine they care much about how she came out of it.
The AE in AEUG stands for Anaheim Electronics after all. They don’t sell mentally healthy young women. Just fightin’ robots.
Sub Flight System = Mobile Suit's Magic/Flying Carpet
A war is won by the logistic teams that support the combat groups that are in need to get to the combat fast.